Did Al-Ghazali Condemn Philosophy and Science? With Dr. Shoaib Ahmed Malik
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- 1. Link to paper:
www.academia.edu/56894878/Al_...
2. Link to slides:
www.academia.edu/99827390/Did...
3. Frank Griffel's book:
www.amazon.com/Al-Ghazalis-Ph...
4. Massimo Campanini's book:
amazon.com/Al-Ghazali-Routledge-Studies-Islamic-Philosophy/dp/1138542377/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1L9UP8DYSY3Z7&keywords=massimo+campanini+ghazali&qid=1680887822&sprefix=massimo+campanini+ghazal%2Caps%2C253&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0
5. PhD on Al-Ghazali's views on logic:
era.ed.ac.uk/handle/1842/7415
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Thank you Paul for bringing Shoaib back for a fabulous stream. Imam Ghazali’s honour has been defended successfully Alhamdulilah!
Alhamdulillah
I'm taking this unique opportunity to say hello to two giants of the Islamic TH-cam Establishment. AS Salam Aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh Gentlemen.
@@dariam2764 Wa alaykumu s-salam Dari!
Fascinating. One recommendation though, Shoaib Malik could improve the presentation slides by putting references of the quotes as footnotes on the pages citing book, chapter & page no.
@@BloggingTheology Paul you are absolutely on fire with destroying all idols and giving due grandeur to Allah(on/indivisible)
This is by far the best intellectual channel on TH-cam maa shaa Allah!
Indeed it is.
Ten years ago when I was in college, I was made to watch a lecture about how Al Ghazali destroyed science in the Islamic World. That was in a dominantly muslim country. I already knew the western Paradigm was shifting and that was a nabsolute falsehood, yet there was before me an aged professor telling a room full of people of the old nonsense. I couldnt do anything back then, and thank you heartily for bringing this topic up.
Sadly not only western Lahhabists but also anti islamic elements in the Islamic world also make use of such claims to try turn people against the faith. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Gazali'nin tek başına İslam coğrafyasında bilimi veya teknolojiyi bitirebileceğine inanmıyorum, aksini düşünen argümanlar da propaganda olarak geliyor bana ancak felsefeye ve akılcı düşünceye olumsuz etkileri olacak ve bu gün dahi tartışmaya çok kapalı olan bir kültürün mirasçısı olduğunu düşünüyorum. Bence oldukça zeki ve etkileyici bir insan ama yine de olmasaydı daha iyi olurdu düşüncesi içerisindeyim. Sevgiler...
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Bu yorumlama ilgili türlü sorunlar olduğunu düşünüyorum. En öncelikle de Türkiye’de yaygın olan inanışların bür neticesi olan ön varsayımlardan kaynaklanan.
Birincisi, sıklıkla kolonyalizmim travmasını yaşamış milletlerde görülen, kendi islami geleneğinde bür sorun olduğu veya olası bir sorun olarak gördüğü şeylerin kaynağının kendi islami gelenekte aranması gerektiğidir. İslam aleminde araştırma ve akademik diyalogdaki azalmayı açıklamak için pek çok sosyolojik faktör vardır. En büyük örnek Moğol istilası ve sonrasındaki kabaca 200 yıl süren ve savaş ve katliamların insanlarda yenilik korkusu yaratmış olması ve merkezi bir otoriteye boyun eğme ihtiyacıdır, ki vaktinde moğol istilasına uğramış müslüman olsun ya da olmasın(Rusya, Çin, Ukrayna, Polonya, Macaristan gibi) ülkelerde otoriter rejimler mevcuttur ve zenofobi yaygındır. Doğruya tartışma ve diyalogla varılan istila öncesi Alem-i İslamın yerini yanlış fikirlere sahip olmanın kellene mal olduğu bir dünya almıştır. Safavilerin İslam aleminin o tarihe kadar fikri dinamosu olan iran ve Irakta
Kılıç zoruyla şiiliği hakim kılıp Sünni ulemayı sürmesi/katletmesi bir diğer sebeptir. Böylece ilk sosyolojik faktörleri düşünmek lazım.
İkinci nokta şudur ki, Gazzalinin yaptığı felsefi kritiği Batı dünyası da yapmış, Neo-platonistik ve materyalistik fikirler orada eleştirilmiş ve nihayetinde terkedilmiştir. Hiç kimse bunun normal felsefi işleyişin bir parçası olmadığını ve batı felsefesinin zayıfladığını iddia etmez. Ki zaten İbni Sina gibi neoplatonist fikirlerin yanlışlığı modern bilim tarafından empirik olarak tasdik edilmiştir.
Üçüncüsü modern -batısal- tanıma göre Gazalinin yazıları da “Felsefe”dir. O dönemde felasife ile kastedilen belli bir kesim “rasyonalistler” denebilecek düşünürlerdir. Bunların nihai eleştirisi kaçınılmaz ve gerekli olup, Gazzali bunlara dini bir doktrinle bağnazlığı ateşleyerek karşı çıkmamış, bilakis filozoflara felsefe yaparak adı üzerinde tutarsızlıklarını göstermiştir, ki bu yapılabilecek en doğru eleştiridir.
Son olarak ben “olmasaydı daha iyi olurdu” yorumunu kesinlikle yanlış buluyorum. En doğru ihtimalle böyle bir yorum yapılamaz çünkü çok fazla değişken vardır. Şahsi tahminim Gazalinin olmadığı düşünürler ile halk arasındaki mesafe giderek artarak(zira İbni Sinanın kendini halka benimsetmek gibi bir derdi yoktur) bu tarz bir felsefenin -kapsam olarak kısıtlanmak yerine- tümden terk edilmesiyle neticelenmesi daha olasıdır.
Diğer bir nokta da imam Gazzalinin tasavvuf açısından devasa önemi göze alınınca, insanın kalp hayatına vakfiyetin,-isterseniz psikoloji değin adına- daralacağı ve batı avrasya milletlerinin çok daha kültürel olarak fakir kalacağı ihtimali. Ama bunlar faraziye, fazla ileri gidemeyiz.
Tarihsel bakıldığında “İlla ki İslami düşünce dünyasında bir yanlış var, yoksa batının gittiği yoldan gider aynı sonuçlara varırlardı” varsayımı, mevzu hakkında gerçekten çok az bilip, gene de çok iddialı konuşmaya kendilerini yetkin gören Oryantalistler tarafından, en çok 10. Asırda ortaya atılmış, müslüman ülkelerdeki seküler elementler tarafından da neredeyse sorgulanmadan tekrar edilmekte, ki bu çok üzücü. Bunun ezilmiş milletlerde, çoğu zaman farkına varmadan yerleştirilmiş, İslama dair önkabullerden biri olduğu görüşündeyim. Eğer okumadıysanız Gazzaliyi okumanızı öneririm, gerçekten mantık ve felsefe yapılıyor eserlerinde ve bir düşünürün nasıl olması gerektiğini gösteriyor.
O yüzden lütfen bir de düşünün derim ;-)
It's always really interesting to see academia on different topics in different countries, especially if it is in different languages. I definitely see some old problematic narratives at times.
As a muslim we need to bring Imam Al Ghazali's discourse back to our academia. Al Ghazali has been represented as a person againts science by the Western and some liberal/ex muslims because there is a secret agenda wich is to divorce muslim from their faith. Baarakallahulaka Ustadz Paul. May Allah bless you both and your families in this Ramadan. Aameen.
Al-Ghazali's was the intellectual that invigorated the Muslims world, people and rulers, against the crusades. Orientalists have been studying the Islamic world at the turning points and they knew that someone like Saladin was avid reader and follower of Al-Ghazali.
Al Ghazali literally stopped the best human evolution of academics by claiming numbers and science is the "Devil's writing"
I've listened to Neil Degrasse Tyson and he was right, why did the Islamic knowledge suddenly stopped? Something must have happen.
A history written by Muslim will try to make Ghazali as the good guy whole the truth he isn't. He was the man responsible for the worst decline in human academics. Sad really. You guys still haven't heal
@Yo D Do you even believe in God, or you are Kafir?!
@Yo D Yes, the Quran has been revealed in endorsement of other books, only the parts that weren't tampered by the priests, Allah says in the Quran: "48. And We revealed to you the Book, with truth, confirming the Scripture that preceded it, and superseding it. So judge between them according to what God revealed, and do not follow their desires if they differ from the truth that has come to you. For each of you We have assigned a law and a method. Had God willed, He could have made you a single nation, but He tests you through what He has given you. So compete in righteousness. To God is your return, all of you; then He will inform you of what you had disputed." [Quran 5:48]
" وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ ۖ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءَهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَٰكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُمْ ۖ فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ ۚ إِلَى اللَّهِ مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ (48)" سورة المائدة اية 48
@Yo D Also, according to Islam, Muslims believe that all prophets who preceded Muhammad (PBUH) are Muslims.
How can we not love the "Proof of Islam". Extremely timely presentation. Very well presented. Crystal clear. Shukran Dr Shuaib and many, many thanks for your hard work Paul to provide Muslim intellectuals the platform for the information and learnings that we dearly need in the face of the haters and Islamophobes. ❤❤❤ May Allah SWT be please with both of you, InshaAllah Ameen. Can't wait for Part 2😊
This is a unique and pivotal information on Imam Al-Ghazali i have heard today, worth watching. Barakallah Fihi
Top tier defence of Islam and muslims such as Al Ghazali. May Allah reward you immensely brother Paul and bloggingtheology team. One of the things that stand out is your presentation and how eye catching and beautiful the thumbnails are. All of this adds to the erudite content. Please keep up the good work and take good care of yourself. You are reviving Islamic thirst for knowledge with this channel.
Thank you very much for inviting Shoaib. I have not seen a new video of him for a long time😊
A much needed discussion. Thank you Sir Paul for this. May Allah preserve you.
The best intellectual Islamic channel on YT. I'm glad were finally getting some push back on this narrative and thesis.
Mashallah, it's good to see your channel growing every day. May Allah put more barakah in this . Ameen. This was a much needed discussion to set the record straight.
Wow, Dr Malik is a brilliant man, a PhD in both a scientific field and working on one in a religious field. Anyway I hope al-Ghazali’s soul is the Hereafter is recompensed for all the slander against him!
MashaAllah. I had the pleasure of speaking with Shoaib a few times when he was doing his PhD in Chemical Engineering - he is a lovely guy and friendly. Imam Ghazali (ra) was an amazing scholar IMO
This was a delightful conversation! I remember discussing Ghazali with a few people who'd have the same negative views of him, and I'd try to explain that we can't charge one man with the downfall of an entire creed. If you look at it closely, I'd be more critical of the Nizamiya education system that replaced the golden era of Islamic enlightenment. Thankyou for sharing this! Can't wait for the second part!
Or the Mongols that invaded the Bait ul Hiqma etc?
But if I Google Nizamiya I read that the quality of education was very high and that those madrassas were even renowned in Europe
@Schorpi Oen it indeed was but they focused more religious education than the sciences. In baghdad, religious education and sciences werent mainly seen as opposition to one another. Of course, the wars and burning of libraries in Islamic territory certainly did adversely affect the progression of Muslims in all fields of education.
Thank you. One of my best times I spent on TH-cam.
Eloquently enlightening, jazakuma Allah kheir
Asslumallkium... A very fruitful discussion about the magical personality of Imam Ghazli by Dr.Shoaib ...I am really thankful to Paul for all of this.❤
Amazing and awesome. I am not done watching the whole video but I have to make this comment. Awesome. Thank you. Your guest cannot be clearer.
Hello dear Paul,
Thank you for bringing back Dr. Shoaib. It's such a pleasure to listen to him.
My namesake.🙂 Thank you, Paul. I love this subject.
Thank you so much Paul for bringing up about this matter with Dr Shoaib to clear up Al Ghazali's name, good job guys, Allah love you all,Salam
Salams, dear Paul and Shoaib. Your video was recommended by a dear friend. The presentation was clear and informative and I think Shoaib has more to say about Islamic Philosophy. I, personally, would like to hear more about the modern applications of the topic; in the contemporary context of the Muslim World.
The best part was when you mentioned St. Augustin, my compatriot and "neighbor" for years., even though Aquinas, in general, may be closer to Al Ghazali.
I love a quote from Abu Bakr Ibn Al 'Arabi Al Maliki, an Andalusian jurist, and theologian who met Al Ghazali, praised him and criticised him at least in two books. He said: "Our Shaykh Abu Hamid (Al Ghazali), swallowed the philosophers and wanted to throw up, but he couldn't." (Can be found in Siyar Aa'laam An-Nubalaa by Shams Ad-Dhahabi.) This may support bro. Shoaib's perspective.
Finally, I wouldn't use the opponents' way to prove them wrong; "Atheists didn't read", or "Orientalists didn't understand...," especially when the historical text welcomes many interpretations.
Thank you again for sharing this beneficial video. Peace and Blessings ♥
How did I leave the video without leaving a like!? As always, terrific work from both your sides brothers Paul and Sohaib.
It was a great discussion and a brilliant speaker. Many thanks for this session.
Stay blessed and happy, always 🤲
Keep spreading knowledge about Deen ❤
I truly do enjoy and appreciate this channel. Excellent work guys. Keep up the great work Paul.
Amazing Masya Allah. Mr Williams, your channel is now a "standard" in the Muslim intellectual circle in the internet. Have you considered to form a small team to keep your channel growing or probably expanding even more. You are building a legacy.
Masya Allah..
Thank you brother Paul for sharing this knowledge to us..
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Excellent contents and very important topics discussed, very educational as well. Thank you for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Great discussion. We need scholars like al ghazali now.
Not surprising . Abu Hamid Al Ghazali was such a phenomenal person who is reputed to have left his scholarly post in Baghdad and spent 12 years in search of Sufi realities in Syria ? before returning back to Baghdad and his family ( according to Idris Shah ) . His influence on the Muslim world remains to this day through his book " The Revival of the Religious Sciences ".
Barak Allah feek Brother Paul! Inshallah this will be a beneficial watch like all of your other content!
I only discovered your channel a couple of months ago Paul. May Allah heap his blessings upon you for increasing the knowledge of Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Your videos have filled an intellectual void in my life which I hadn't realized existed.
As a layman in Indonesia, I have heard that Al Ghazali was going to establish the fifth school of thought after the Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanafi and Hanbali schools, but did not get permission from the Prophet's majesty (through true dream visions). However, he was given the title Hujjatul Islam, because of his ability to fend off attacks from philosophy and science and technology on Islamic concepts. By the way, most Indonesian people take concepts from Imam Ash'ari and Al Maturidi in Aqidah or Theology, take one of the Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanafi or Hanbali Schools in law or fiqh and take from Shaykh Abdul qodir Al Jailani or from Imam Abu Hamid Ghazali in tasawwuf (ethics/akhlaq).
Thanks, brother Paul. People should know more about al-Ghazali
Thank you Paul, very good video as always, and the presentation is even better : brief, consistent and on point....just beautiful. But i expected for Kalam sciences to be mentioned in the discussion thou...
Very informative. But the big question remains, what started the decline of knowledge of the physical sciences in the Muslim World.
MashaAllah, beautiful discussion ❤
جزاک اللہ خیرا
Thank you. It clarified so many doubts.
Thank you Paul, for sharing knowledge, very interesting for this theme. Thank you also for Dr. Malik..Baraakallohu fiikum🤲
We all love you Paul. Thank you for uploading these amazing videos!
That was extremely compelling , as someone who was told that al ghazali did cause the Islamic decline of knowledge and science.
Thank you shoaib..this is excellent...I read the ghazalis books incoherence of philosophers and my confession by gazali...I am amazed at few points gazali salid about sciences...the exact points you presented in the presentation..thanks a lot
Very Inspiring and thoughtful
Dear @BloggingTheology, I kindly suggest conveying to Shoaib Malik that exploring Ibn Taymiyyah's works could offer valuable perspectives, especially concerning the debate on evolution. While Ghazali's contributions are undeniably significant, Ibn Taymiyyah's arguments present compelling insights that might provide a more conclusive stance on the matter. It could be enriching to compare both scholars' viewpoints for a broader understanding. Thank you for considering this suggestion.
It was very inriguing presenation. Thank you.
Asalamalaikum from NJ, USA 😇A brilliant defense of al-Ghazali, one of the masters of our great tradition. Keep up the amazing work on your channel, which we all (your ever-growing audience) so greatly appreciate. May Allah reward you 🤲☝🕋
do you think fire burns the cotton, or god?
Salaam all,
I have been interested in the work of Imam Ghazali.
I think it is proper and necessary to define at the outset: where does the myth come from? Who said it? And when did he/they say it?
cool info!
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THANKS FOR CLAIRIFICATION!!
Imam al gazali refuted and won against all so called extreme rationalists and extreme literalists who are extremely insane
I heard about this myth not long ago. This was a really great timing by you, brother Paul
This was brilliant, sharp and succinct!.... Looking forward to the next part.
Wa'alikum Al-salaam!
Here comes another refutation of, what has become the order of the day, on a night of vigil!
A massive thank-you to the duo!
“Astonishing piece of garbage ”,
Paul, you stole the word out of my mouth.
Fields of Mathematical Sciences, Physical Sciences and Logic owe their credit to the great Imam :
It's basically, throw everything at the wall, and see what sticks.
Imagine having so much knowledge but the thing you flex is an art you made. 2 gems in one video. MashaAllah!
Excellent explanation and
reasoning.
I first heard about this misrepresentation of Al Gazali via Neil De Grasse video on TH-cam and it never sat well with me. Thanks for the clarification!
Wow I feel this one is going to be a very good episode!! thank you for bringing us this stuff.
Ils veulent cacher l'oeuvre d'Al Ghazali sous leur propagande, y compris chez certains musulmans, parce qu'ils savent que c'est l'une des oeuvres les plus monumentales importantes pour tout musulman orthodoxe. Son oeuvre ihlya u'lum ud din doit être étudiée par tous les musulmans. Elle donne une connaissance et une mentalité parfaite pour comprendre le Quran et la sunnah.
I went over this video several quite a few times.. so interesting.since i am not well versed in this area, this was a nice intro too..
Thank you Dr. Shoaib Ahmed Malik for shedding light on this topic.
Thank you very much! Can’t wait for part two.
Cant wait second part presentation.
Super for my sahur watching, Paul. Regards from Penang,
This is why Islam will win .We have strong defenses .
True appreciations for representing the Muslim community across cultures in the western hemisphere Dr. Paul.
You are doing a great job by expounding the very truths of Islamic law, theology and philosophy.
جزاكم الله خيرا
Subhanallah! Imam Al-Ghazali, the ultimate genius of Islamic quantum mechanics and spiritual science (Tasawwuf), he's like a 'Tony Stark' of 1,000AD (minus the flamboyance).
My summaries of Imam Al-Ghazali's contribution:
- Golden Age of Islam happened all thanks to his leap of faith.
- A whole new level of Islamic education syllabus that are future proof. Without him, we may not have the Al-Azhar University standards we have today.
- Authored tonnes of kitabul about Islamic science.
- Ijtihad of the use of musical instruments for nasheed (including strings), which then ruled as Mustahhab by all 4 Mazhab, thx to Imam Al-Ghazali.
In a nutshell, all Islamic Academia which emerged from Imam Al-Ghazali is meant to ADVANCE mankind and this world THE MOST HALAL & MUSTAHHAB & FISABILILLAH Way, not like how the 'Sunnah-junkies' Wahhabi & Salafi's opinions, which explains why they can't move on. May Allah ﷻ guides them.
Wahhabi opinions? How ironic. I'm convinced most of your ilk are sitting there beardless and struggling to pray dhuhr.
@@Ismaa3eel I'm seeing you all over the reply section with shit comments. Can't you be critical and polite? Or is that too much for your ego?
Notice how "Pseudo-salafi"s are incapable of producing real world results and hide behind the what they cite as proofs to avoid discussing their misguided beliefs.
Mind-blowing
Salaam, BT! Salaam, comments section!
I was waiting for this. Thank you, BT for bringing on Dr. Shoaib. He is so open-minded, intelligent, and a lead on this type of research.
I hope you can get Dr. Carl Sharif on again soon! Maybe even do a video with Dr. Sharif and Dr. Shoaib. That would be pretty cool!
This was a good video, a crucial component in history of the evolution of our modern science, Physical Science. Im thinking what he sald about numbers, he was referring that to Magic and Astrology, which they of course, excelled at, as i believe.
Al Ghazali was a wise one
Thanks
Thanks!
Many thanks!
Shukran to both scholars in this presentation. You have helped clear a grave misconception for me & will undoubtedly help me introduce a more accurate, rounded & comprehensive view of the great Imam Al-Ghazali JUST as I was about to read the “Incoherence” & introduce it to my son. Jazakallahu khairan! I would greatly appreciate any points of clarification from Dr Shoaib regarding the “Intentions of the Philosophers” (Maqasid al Filasifah) and its place in the teachings of the Imam please. Shukran to you both Wassalamu’alaykum
Your first sentence encapsulates much of our state quite succinctly. Truly, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
As-salamu Alaikum, Brother Paul William. Thank you for the content you make. They are really informative and enjoyable. Could you do a book recommendation video discussing the books a layman should read to learn about the religion of Islam and philosophy? Would be really helpful.
Wa alaykumu s-salam great idea!
@@BloggingTheology Ibn Taymiyyah, the first Muslim scholar who criticized the great Greek philosophers
It is interesting to talk about Ibn Taymiyyah's criticism of some of the ideas of philosophers
Ibn Taymiyyah's book is an important reference on this subject
Sheikh Abd al-Muhsin al-Qasim, the imam of the Prophet’s Mosque, says that the Muslim must study the book of Tawheed by Sheikh Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab and the book al-Aqeedah al-Wasitiyyah by Ibn Taymiyyah because it is one of the most important books of the faith.
The book Al-Aqeedah Al-Hamawiyyah is one of the most important books of the Aqeedah, and it is one of the advices of the scholar Ibn Baz
Sheikh Saleh Al-Osaei mentioned that a Muslim begins with the Nawawi Forty, the Book of Bulugh Al-Maram, the Book of Umdat Al-Ahkam, and the book Riyad Al-Salihin by Al-Nawawi. The Prophet’s Mosque conducts remote courses to teach the basic texts that Muslims should learn
And the book kitab aladab aleashra is advice from Sheikh Salih al-Usaimi to study it with the family
You are MA a sincere Muslim. One thing I would like to mention is please do not use animations and human cartoons for Islamic content as it is forbidden in Islam to make figures and pictures of living things
Thank you brother Paul for this excellent channel. One comment about this video is that Brother Shoaib had his own idiosyncratic defence of Evolution from a presumed 'ghazalian' perspective - I am inclined to say that Brother Shoaib is at most trying to hijack Al Ghazali. No matter, what frustrated me is that is Brother Shoaib told us that he's writing a textbook to teach evolution to Muslim. One thing is to write a scholarly book expressing your antitraditional views on that matter - and yes Shoaib's are antitraditional, but it's a whole different beast to write a textbook to teach future generations of Muslim your antitraditional views. I fear that Brother Shoaib with his current pursuit may be placing himself amongst those whose striving in this world go astray, while they think that what they are doing are good deeds.
May Allah guide us all.
that is why bro paul needs to invite da'ees and scholars which are aligned with the quran/sunnah path. sadly he invites any muslim
Alhamdulillaah
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It would be amazing if the author add relevant citations (with page) and comparing them with the abridged Arabic text. Since when you use English translation, there will be confusion with modern term e.g. "Atheists". When you return to its arabic term, you will find the exact meaning that Al-Ghazzali meant. And it would be interesting to see the continuation of discussion about Al-Ghazzali and logic towards Causality. I would recommend a thesis by Indonesian Scholar, by Dr. Hamid Fahmy Zarkasyi, studied under modern Islamic Philosopher, Dr. Syed Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas, which discuss extensively how Al-Ghazzali viewed Causality.
Much needed video
May Allah (SWT) have mercy on the 2 giants of Islam, Al-Ghazali & Ibn Taymiya & forgive their short comings.
May Almighty Allah Bless and Reward Both of you un this Life and in the Hereafter.
Paul you asked a question about "where did the idea came from that AlGhazali caused Islamic Philosophy to stop?" and I remember a while back I was watching a "Talks at Google" lecture about Islamic Philosophy by Prof. Peter Adamson (whom you interviewed a couple of time) and if I remember correctly he said in the talk that the idea that Islamic philosophy stopped in the twelfth century became dominant in the west because of the fact that the west knowledge of islamic philosophy came only from the translations done after the fall of Andalusia (where famous philosophers names such as Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd became known to the west) but it wasn't that the Islamic Philosophy stopped, it was the translations of muslims works of philosophy to western languages that stopped (and he sighted in that lecture the names and works of many muslim philosophers who were influential in the muslim world from the twelfth century to the twentieth century) and his point was that obviously muslim philosophers kept going but it was the west that was ignorant of this body of work of muslim philosophers.
Maybe you can have a third conversation with Prof. Peter Adamson about this topic and find out why people in the west are blaming AlGhazali for something that never even happened.
That would be interesting
May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!
Great discussion, well established
Thanks
The “ mystery “ of an anti ghazalian rhetoric can be explained on two grounds
a) it is borne out of simple polemics
b) it’s emanates (no pun intended ) from the stance of Neoplatonist against ghazali. A large group of Muslims (orthodox literalist and Neoplatonist) have an axe to grind in regards of his position as a sufi and as an staunch anti Neoplatonist. These groups ignore his overall message and focus on his position on these issues painting him in a bad picture.
The people who say Al-Ghazali caused the decline of science in the Islamic world need to explain why MAJOR Muslim scientists who contributed to science in MAJOR ways kept appearing all over the Islamic world well into the 15th and 16th centuries. People like al-Bitruji, Mu'ayyad al-Din al-Urdi, Ibn al nafis, Nasir al-Din Tusi, Taqi al-Din, Ulugh Beg, Muhiddin Pīrī Reīs. All of these people contributer greatly to natural and social sciences and lived long after Alghazali died.
The reason for the decline was much more complex and it was more political/economical. It happened around the Europeans discovering the Americas.
The podcast is awesome, however I'm astonished how Dr. Shoaib has managed two PhDs in totally different fields, and the PhDs are not usual - He has done extraordinary work in Both the fields... 😮😮😮
Wonderful and extraordinary illustrations!! It finishes before contemplation!! Thanks ❤
Brother Paul, thanks for your enlightening videos. Kindly make a video on how Quran is compiled. Like, did our Prophet receive one surah at a time, or is it part by part? Or did he receive full of Surah Iqrah first and then next surah...Just curious on the compilation of the Quran... Thanks
Allah says, we have sent down the Qur'an in stages. There is something called, *Asbab u nuzul* in the Qur'an. There is a reason, why verses were revealed.
@@TheSlaveOfAllah1992 then how were those separate verses combined together and put in one specific surah? How were they arranged in surah?
@@friendofall1824 the full Quran is always recited on every Ramadan and also Jibril would descend to revise the entire Quran with the Prophet every Ramadan. This is what I know
Al ghazali, imam al arabi ❤ was the best intellectual till now in the modern world
My favorite scholar. Imam Al Gazali (r)🌹
From what I've gathered from Imam Al Ghazali is that it is not that science is inferior, but it isn't enough. What struck me as funny is that the Christians and some Muslims like to use the Kalam Argument yet it was the Kalam theology itself that Al Ghazali left, along with other schools of theology, seeing Sufism as the only thing adequate for him. There is a really interesting legacy of Al Ghazali, one especially in connection with Descartes and him being 500 years earlier than Descartes in the idea of doubt.
I don't think he left kalam but more like he found it to be tool that can be useful but the best tool is tassawuf.
I think that Ibn Taimya came later and continuing the work of Al-Ghazali, articulating why using Kalam/Philosophical methods cannot be used to understand the Quran and Hadith.
Brother Paul, it is Ahmad with a strong H..not Akhmad..no kh sound here.
There is kh sound in Bukhari and Khalid and khalifa.
Maybe he can’t pronounce it, that’s why he says it that way
When anyone quotes Ghazali, you must ask them if that statement is pre-Tasawuff or post-Tasawuff Ghazali.
Hello brother Paul, would you provide arabic translation please ! Because I am interesred to ur videos and topics
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Read:
"closing of the Muslim mind"
When will this episode be available as a podcast?