Ya know i imagine some random villager finding an abandoned yet salvagable zaku 2, figuring it out, and using it to fish and calling it "Zaku 2 Seafood Type"
@@Trip1443not really. At the time of Universal Century, mobile suits, depending on how advanced they are, could easily be maintained as a car would. You can see so many junk shops in that area sell mobile suit parts or even partially disassembled suits like any car shop would. Even civilians own mobile suits as well.
Earth: HAS LOTS OF WATER. Zeon: Mostly in space: makes tons of Awesome Aquatic MS. EFF: NOPE WE ONLY HAVE TWO OR THREE CRAPPY BOOTSTRAPPED AQUATIC MS UNITS that never got an upgrade... EVER. Thunderbolt: let's fix that!
To be fair the Marine Hizack and Zaku mariner were feddie suits. Based on Zeon stuff and a ton of them got captured by Neo Zeon but thet were arill Feddie builtm
It's very clear both zeon and the Federation had the "the best defense is a great offense" mindset. Zeon Literally was never able to make enough up to date space mobile suits to defend themselves in the final battle of the OYW, and resorted to zaku spam (oddly to varying degrees of success.)
@@goergebobicles1351 Still bugs me why Zeon didn't just use these aquatic mobile suits in space. I mean, you just need to put high mobility thrusters in there 🤷♂️
I like to think that, based on the performance we see during Unicorn Gundam, we see that even after decades of arms races, mobile suits actually hadn't change THAT much. During the attack on Torrington, we saw a large amount of OYW era mobile suits deployed against considerably newer EFSF units. And the Federation was only able to push them back after reinforcements arrived. I know that's not the whole story though. Most of those Zeon pilots were experienced veterans, survivors of the OYW and first Neo Zeon war. And most of the Federal pilots were inexperienced rookies. However, we are led to believe that each new machine was way better than older models. But if that were true, then even rookies should have had no problem defeating machines that were sometimes 10-30 years out of date. But that isn't what happened. These machines were proof that, despite all the new designs, each design was only slightly better. And sometimes they weren't even really better, just different.
I'd like to point out that even the Torrington base suits were outdated too, but most of those suits were from the Gryps war/ First neo zeon war, so while they may have only been at most 5 years more advanced, we were led to believe in terms of MS development 5 years was more than enough time for an entirely new generation to come along and make older suits obsolete. I mean we would also expect a Nemo to trounce a Dom, but it didn't work out that way.
I was always wondering why Zeon seemed to go "all-in" on their development of aquatic MS, and I guess the strategy was to impose a quasi-global naval blockade. Great videos man, these are fantastic.
My best guess? Zeon has no use for a conventional navy of frigates, destroyers, and carriers. But Zeon already had the leg up in MS development and any advancements made in developing MS for marine combat could perhaps be applied to either space or ground combat. It just made sense to stick to what they knew already.
@@SlimTheydy That's a fair assessment, especially when you consider they've already designed a sealed cockpit that has filters (and radiation-proofing in the early days of the war), so taking that and applying it to sea-based warfare doesn't seem like too big of a gulf, since water combat and space combat don't seem too far off in principle aside from depth pressure on the suit.
Also given the strength of mobile suits being on par with that of battleships and submarines the only purpose of subs were just to cover greater distance that the mobile suit could.
In Gihren's Greed Menace of Axis V (which video game only released in Japan), I remember when Z'Gok has another variant. Some Z'Gok has spike ball with rocket launcher on the shoulder. They called it MS-13 Gasshia.
Thunderbolt bandit flower is not zeon piloted but a cult of monks that were neutral in war and used savage parts to build their MS as they took on clearing the dead of the war for both sides.
They all look highly impractical Except: Z’Gok (Thunderbolt Ver.) _ Highly underrated story Z’Gok E (War In Pocket Ver.) Good story too And all pale in comparison to the MSM-03C Hygogg
The Z'Gok E's Beam Cannon's are supposed to be E cap?!?!?!?!?! DAMN YOU GUNDAM BATTLE OPERATION 2, My boy could have been a decent mobile suite but NOOOOOOO, Fucking amazing
They are Ecap in GBO2 It and the Hygogg share the same Ecap system; they "precharge" the ecaps using excess minovsky particles from the reactor, which allows them to rapidly release multiple shots in quick succession. In GBO2 this is reflected by the fact the Z'gok E and Hygogg beams being rapid fire.
In my school vr game the z gok had a new veriont the ultra z gok there space and aquatic there 5 made and have the same equipment as the original z gok and 1 is a galahorn mobile suit and rest zeon and unfortunately almost all where destroyed first was a neo zeon that exploded when it trying to attack sogalio but it got destroyed by a spike bomb on the head second and third where overloaded and blow up near giyamera the merge hybrid of Goalius and ryukio matoi fourth ultra z gok was crushed by giyamera and when it was lost both legs but the pilot was out and the final ultra z gok was damaged by 2 gm and a landman rodi but it was piloted by galahorn ace pilot julietta Julia when the reginlaze julia was scrapped and Julia was under house arrest and heck the ultra z gok was able to kill Aston ardland and gave giyamera a weapons cash that where a heat sword 5 heat tomahawks and 2 iron nail gauntlets and fyi the unit was then put on giyamera back and both where able to take out 5 zaku a Rick dom and 5 roui and even shot the sensor on the gusion rebake full city ultimately both where able to be back in galahorn arihanrod fleet
18:00 hence this is why Zeon lose meanwhile in EFSF EFSF: pls make high performance black ops gundam Anaheim: *produce 3 Unicorns EFSF: wait how do I use it? Anaheim: idk
@@zethythonix Actually, I think Sunrise's idea of what's canon is that everything is canon, and every version of every story happened in some way, shape or form. So when it comes to what actually happened, it's more like, take every version of every story, and what most likely happened is some weird mix in between.
I really like you form of showing the mobile suit but I suggest you use some more nicer bgm like gundam game or zeonic front. It will make the video much more cooler. I create a list called gundam bgm. You can check it out and think about it. Keep up the good work
@@zethythonix you should do a series on the Zeta, Zeta Plus, Re-GZ. The Rezel is usually thought to be a continuation of Zeta, but it's more Methus, and the later Delta lines are more Hyaku Shiki, so they can be skipped.
I am just stating the beginning of the myth that Zeon believed in, it has nothing to do with the fact of the land military base. It’s two separate parts.
![5 Best Outdated Mobile Suits [UC]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/f0NjDbwYdH4/mqdefault.jpg)
Ya know i imagine some random villager finding an abandoned yet salvagable zaku 2, figuring it out, and using it to fish and calling it "Zaku 2 Seafood Type"
Sounds smart
Yeah right. If mobilesuits are anything like planes, they require hours of maintenance hours for one hour of operation
@@Trip1443not really. At the time of Universal Century, mobile suits, depending on how advanced they are, could easily be maintained as a car would. You can see so many junk shops in that area sell mobile suit parts or even partially disassembled suits like any car shop would. Even civilians own mobile suits as well.
Doran island but u had a ace using it n fixing it
SEED Freedom spoilers
Gotta add in
Justice
Earth: HAS LOTS OF WATER.
Zeon: Mostly in space: makes tons of Awesome Aquatic MS.
EFF: NOPE WE ONLY HAVE TWO OR THREE CRAPPY BOOTSTRAPPED AQUATIC MS UNITS that never got an upgrade... EVER.
Thunderbolt: let's fix that!
To be fair the Marine Hizack and Zaku mariner were feddie suits. Based on Zeon stuff and a ton of them got captured by Neo Zeon but thet were arill Feddie builtm
It's very clear both zeon and the Federation had the "the best defense is a great offense" mindset. Zeon Literally was never able to make enough up to date space mobile suits to defend themselves in the final battle of the OYW, and resorted to zaku spam (oddly to varying degrees of success.)
@@goergebobicles1351 Still bugs me why Zeon didn't just use these aquatic mobile suits in space. I mean, you just need to put high mobility thrusters in there 🤷♂️
@@alfianfahmi5430 the zeon aquatic suits would still be ill-fit for space combat, and are designed more for assaults than defense.
I like to think that, based on the performance we see during Unicorn Gundam, we see that even after decades of arms races, mobile suits actually hadn't change THAT much. During the attack on Torrington, we saw a large amount of OYW era mobile suits deployed against considerably newer EFSF units. And the Federation was only able to push them back after reinforcements arrived.
I know that's not the whole story though. Most of those Zeon pilots were experienced veterans, survivors of the OYW and first Neo Zeon war. And most of the Federal pilots were inexperienced rookies.
However, we are led to believe that each new machine was way better than older models. But if that were true, then even rookies should have had no problem defeating machines that were sometimes 10-30 years out of date. But that isn't what happened. These machines were proof that, despite all the new designs, each design was only slightly better. And sometimes they weren't even really better, just different.
I'd like to point out that even the Torrington base suits were outdated too, but most of those suits were from the Gryps war/ First neo zeon war, so while they may have only been at most 5 years more advanced, we were led to believe in terms of MS development 5 years was more than enough time for an entirely new generation to come along and make older suits obsolete.
I mean we would also expect a Nemo to trounce a Dom, but it didn't work out that way.
@@SlimTheydy Literally every earth use mech should have had Dom feet after the OYW, there's basically no excuse to NOT.
or it's deliberate zeonwank propaganda to make boomers buy toys again. hrm. tough call.
"Because, nothing screams stealth like pinkish red right ?" - some guy that is 'totally not' casval rem deikun.
And also totally not lieutenant Quattro Bagina.
"Seafood Variants" I'm done, this one got it
I thought it would be a good joke
@@zethythonix it was a great joke!
Making me know that the Zogock pilot survived and retreated made my day, they were a badass when fighting against the GM lls. Thank you for this video
All good!
I was always wondering why Zeon seemed to go "all-in" on their development of aquatic MS, and I guess the strategy was to impose a quasi-global naval blockade. Great videos man, these are fantastic.
And they can also use inland water and rivers to sneak around and move faster than Ground Units. Like we see in Vietnam with the Brown River Navy.
My best guess? Zeon has no use for a conventional navy of frigates, destroyers, and carriers.
But Zeon already had the leg up in MS development and any advancements made in developing MS for marine combat could perhaps be applied to either space or ground combat.
It just made sense to stick to what they knew already.
@@SlimTheydy That's a fair assessment, especially when you consider they've already designed a sealed cockpit that has filters (and radiation-proofing in the early days of the war), so taking that and applying it to sea-based warfare doesn't seem like too big of a gulf, since water combat and space combat don't seem too far off in principle aside from depth pressure on the suit.
Also given the strength of mobile suits being on par with that of battleships and submarines the only purpose of subs were just to cover greater distance that the mobile suit could.
@@donovanbradford8231 Those aquatic MAs are essentially battleships
I loved using Zgok in the video game Federation vs Zeon.
Great script combined with the bullet points you included while talking. How a good presentation or video should be.
You are slowly becoming a merge of Zakuaurelius and Kakarot197
May I ask how? I just want to know better.
Zethythonix Long reviews but informative and talks about the development of Gundams and other mobile suits
@@fused481 is it a good thing to be a “merge”?
@@zethythonix Yeah
I always love that mobile suit, because it's fast and amphibious using every tactic to win the battle for Zeon.
Nice story about Z'gok. I was looking forward to this Zeon MS. Especially Red Z'gok piloted by your truly, Char Aznable.
Thanks for the support buddy!
@@zethythonix No Problem, Senpai👍
I wonder if Zeon had one red specimen of all their various mobile suits just in case Char needed it.
Please keep making these videos. Not many channels focus on side series or Mobile Suit Variations so watching these videos is a real treat.
I will and more will come, you will see a lot of great stories in the future so make sure you stick around!
@@zethythonix Happy to hear it.
I wish the acguy had just as much variants.
The Thunderbolt version got a lot of weapon variants
@@zethythonix It may be shorter but is packs a punch!
@@zethythonix Does this count as zeon seafood? did you cover it and i missed it
@@TheWreckers33 I haven’t make an episode yet
Thunderbolt has the really awesome spec force acguys.
"seafood" that's brilliant.
Great video, aquatic ms were once of the few fields i didn't look into much.
I will do more in the future!
The RG Zgok looks super dope
I forgot how adorable Char's z'gok looks when it shows it running side to side in the old anime lol
True, kind of funny too
Thunderbolt version of Zgok and Acguy is my favorite designs they more like cooler and badass than the classic one
I love Zeons aquatic suits, their so dumb that their amazing
Yes! My favorite zeon amphibious MS!!
I like how the 0083 Rebellion alternate universe had the Ze'gok and weapon container surpise cameo.
I remember I have a picture of a zgok as a seafood no like shell of zgok and meat of a actual lobster 😂
I already got the picture in my head
In Gihren's Greed Menace of Axis V (which video game only released in Japan), I remember when Z'Gok has another variant. Some Z'Gok has spike ball with rocket launcher on the shoulder. They called it MS-13 Gasshia.
I did mention Gasshia
Liked and subbed and bell clicked. I'd love someone to hit some blazing shadow as like no one did anything on that
MSM-3 Gogg totally got defeat by old m.s federation earth guncannon and kai was pilot guncannon if I mistake.
ROFL, I love the comment for the TB Zgok "hit the gym and on a diet" amazing stuff!
Thanks!
You da greatest gundam historian in world history fam!!!!
Thunderbolt is not part of the UC timeline. It is an alternate telling of the OYW, it's practically an alternate universe
It's alternative, yes.
I included it because it got its own Z'Gok's settings
Zeonic Swimming Club are my favourite MS
Great video with things I never knew about them
Swimming club 😂
I love your channel best info on ms I would see in the show and manga and be like
Damn how tf they make those
Keep it my g💯
Thunderbolt bandit flower is not zeon piloted but a cult of monks that were neutral in war and used savage parts to build their MS as they took on clearing the dead of the war for both sides.
They all look highly impractical
Except:
Z’Gok (Thunderbolt Ver.) _ Highly underrated story
Z’Gok E (War In Pocket Ver.) Good story too
And all pale in comparison to the MSM-03C Hygogg
I personally like to dine on the hygogg, their claws are very nutritious
AH YES
Honestly the E is my favorite cause its style reminded me of Norris & gouf combat
The Z'Gok E's Beam Cannon's are supposed to be E cap?!?!?!?!?!
DAMN YOU GUNDAM BATTLE OPERATION 2, My boy could have been a decent mobile suite but NOOOOOOO, Fucking amazing
They are Ecap in GBO2
It and the Hygogg share the same Ecap system; they "precharge" the ecaps using excess minovsky particles from the reactor, which allows them to rapidly release multiple shots in quick succession.
In GBO2 this is reflected by the fact the Z'gok E and Hygogg beams being rapid fire.
@@jamFRIDGE But it doesn't reload the epacks, so even in universe it's supposed to just overheat the Ecap?
When I saw this mobile suit I know I found the one for me.
In my school vr game the z gok had a new veriont the ultra z gok there space and aquatic there 5 made and have the same equipment as the original z gok and 1 is a galahorn mobile suit and rest zeon and unfortunately almost all where destroyed first was a neo zeon that exploded when it trying to attack sogalio but it got destroyed by a spike bomb on the head second and third where overloaded and blow up near giyamera the merge hybrid of Goalius and ryukio matoi fourth ultra z gok was crushed by giyamera and when it was lost both legs but the pilot was out and the final ultra z gok was damaged by 2 gm and a landman rodi but it was piloted by galahorn ace pilot julietta Julia when the reginlaze julia was scrapped and Julia was under house arrest and heck the ultra z gok was able to kill Aston ardland and gave giyamera a weapons cash that where a heat sword 5 heat tomahawks and 2 iron nail gauntlets and fyi the unit was then put on giyamera back and both where able to take out 5 zaku a Rick dom and 5 roui and even shot the sensor on the gusion rebake full city ultimately both where able to be back in galahorn arihanrod fleet
Seal Team 6 piloting Seafood Variants
Whats with that snake ? Lol
Scared of the MS
kinda surprised didnt mention the thunderbolt version of gogg too
that unit was a thing of beauty compared to its original design
Gogg is another line
Can you do the feddies seafood variants as well the only one i remember was some aqua gm
Would honestly have grabbed the entire Zogok series proably one of my favorites other then the Rick Dom
I will make a Dom series in the future
18:00 hence this is why Zeon lose
meanwhile in EFSF
EFSF: pls make high performance black ops gundam
Anaheim: *produce 3 Unicorns
EFSF: wait how do I use it?
Anaheim: idk
I love "seafood variant" too XD
I love these videos! Insta like. Id like to see one where you talk about dom, dwadge
Dwadge! One of my favorite desert suit
@@zethythonix Awesome! I subbed to your channel. Keep it up!
Maybe the scattering beam cannon was from the Big Zam
Im actually surprised that Z'GOK was based on an ultraman villain aka zarab seijin
AoZ will be quite the HLMS to do!
I will start with the easier ones like TR-2 and TR-3
@@zethythonix Looking forward to it with great interest.
Lol that snake at the start of the video 🐍
Isn’t that a very good start?
@@zethythonix the best kind 😉
The MG gunpla chars zgok has 4 claws each hand instead of 3
ゾゴックはええぞぉ
Can’t understand Japanese sorry
YES ZGOK
Nice one
What if scenario - zeon use federation mobile suits
What if scenario - federation use zeon mobile suits
Then we will see every zeon MS got released instead of some still under the ocean
What about thez’gocky?
Huh?
I love Zogok
Very good video
Thanks!
So, I still think of Thunderbolt as Canon to UC.
Kind of, but parallel universe
@@zethythonix I didn't really see any indication that it is part of a parallel universe.
@@zethythonix Actually, I think Sunrise's idea of what's canon is that everything is canon, and every version of every story happened in some way, shape or form. So when it comes to what actually happened, it's more like, take every version of every story, and what most likely happened is some weird mix in between.
I m petty sure zuku I was the first seafood ms .
Rare and endangered sealife.
Save the Z'Gok family :(
I really like you form of showing the mobile suit but I suggest you use some more nicer bgm like gundam game or zeonic front. It will make the video much more cooler. I create a list called gundam bgm. You can check it out and think about it. Keep up the good work
Hi there, thanks for the suggestion. But if I used the BGM from Gundam, I will get copyright strikes
next sentinel
Will do after Zeta and Double Deta
You left out Zock, Hy-gogg, and Acguy. If you go further Capule too.
Those seafood are different lines, Z'Gok has its own
@@zethythonix I see what you mean, I hope you do a video on them too. Yesterday I watched every UC episode of HLMS you have made. I love them!
@@zethythonix you should do a series on the Zeta, Zeta Plus, Re-GZ. The Rezel is usually thought to be a continuation of Zeta, but it's more Methus, and the later Delta lines are more Hyaku Shiki, so they can be skipped.
@@Saved_Sinner0085 zeta is on the waitlist
We need hygoog episode baby
It will happen for sure!
@@zethythonix cant wait bro
Ei what about the Gogg and Hygoggs?
They are in a separate line
What about Older zeon mechs
In the list
Roboto the bes
They finns get ZCOK
I have that same subscribe pop-up 😉
What do you mean myth.
An old generation legend
big pp z'gok be like : 5:45
海鮮燒烤正 大閘蟹🤣
膽固醇高
@@zethythonix 咁鬼大隻食死人XDD
"70% oF eArTH Is wAteR"
Maybe so, but what about the fact that all or most of the military installations being on land?
I am just stating the beginning of the myth that Zeon believed in, it has nothing to do with the fact of the land military base. It’s two separate parts.
this guy is from HK?
Yes, 有咩幫到你👌🏻
我覺得魔蟹好似弱智仔咁，不過真係幾好揪😂
I miss his accent
What accent?
@@zethythonix Sounds like from HK
Well what happened now?