The Frustrating Search For A Double Action Carry Pistol
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- In today's Q&A video, we explore some of the best options for double action/single action and double action only pistols for concealed carry and why there are so few of them.
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I keep coming back to this video every time I go down the rabbit hole of DA/SA carry pistols... And here I am again..
I picked up a Bersa TPR9C. Thought it would fit the bill pretty well, but it gives me hammer bite! Sigh..
HK P30SK V3 is the answer
@@chrisragone8785 Bought it 2 months ago. Love it, but its still large, still heavy, no optics cut....Trigger guard has a weird cutout on the inside under the trigger that pinches my finger. Need to put an extra $400 into it to send it to Langdon Tactical to get the slide cut and the Gray Guns flat trigger installed (can do this part myself, but Ive never worked on a DASA before). Still searching for something the size of a P365xl that is DASA, but I dont think its coming anytime soon. For the amount I need to put into it, I might just pick up a TPR9c instead.
Once again back to this too...
Same here. I got a Sig P239 (used) which is pretty concealable although on the heavy side. But I like metal frames. It’s a compromise but it works for me.
As a CZ fan, I highly recommend the CZ 75 Compact or the P01. They are not sub-compact but conceal easily with the right belt and holster. I Carry the CZ 75 C w/ Cajun Gun Works trigger daily. Agree that the smaller guns are not any easier to carry and in my opinion, harder than the compact sizes.
They could've updated the Rami instead of coming out with the P10m
I regularly carry my CZ40-P, all 35 ozs. fully loaded, IWB. Rides comfortably right behind the hip bone. Feels more secure than my CZ 70 in the same position.
Also a CZ 75 Compact fan. With thin G10 grips, it’s very narrow for a doublestack. It is, however, heavier than the HK45C I currently pack.
Yes,..I love my Rammi,..would love an updated model even more
I carry RAMI D... shame it does not have a rail for a small light but shoots awesome :) IMO it shoots at least like a compact, not subcompact :)
I definitely think the CZ line was overlooked. As far as current production pistols go, the CZ P-07 is my absolute favorite DA/SA pistol that can flex into daily carry, home defense, truck gun, etc. The XD-E is a good choice too as long as you’re okay with the capacity of a single stack.
I'm looking at the CZ P-09 Duty for a CC DA/SA pistol. The barrel is 4.5". The patrol is heavy, but it's less than 9_oz more than what I currently carry, which has a 4" barrel. The extra capacity is nice. I'm a big guy, so I think I can CC it. I won't know, until I actually have one in hand.
Beretta 84f and 84fs are both excellent guns for everyday carry. Easy to use and they check all the boxes (DA/SA, harder pull on DA, 13 rounds+1 of .380 auto, light enough to be carried without being awkward). Beautiful to see, too. Affordable, too. Plenty of them on the surplus and used market.
Nice pistol. My friend has the 84FS. I think my stainless Interarms PPK/S 380 is heavier.
Similar is the BDA380.
@@TimMillard Yes, they were produced also by Beretta in Italy, but sold with Browning markings. A slightly worse version of the Beretta 84, imho.
I carry the p30 sk as a daily carry and find it to be quite comfortable. Good ergonomics and very accurate.
CZ Rami (discontinued), CZ P07 and Bersa Thunder is my DA/SA carry rotation. I do carry the M&P Shield Plus more than the Thunder during the summer months, but I love my Rami and P07. They are on my hip fall, winter and early spring. Hope the market evolves again and there are more Da/SA in the future
How do you compare the rami vs the P07 for CCW?
Love both the Rami and the P-07. The rami is a bit better for me if I’m driving/sitting a lot due to barrel being a bit shorter. That said I keep the 14 round mag in it nearly always so the grip is longer and much better to shoot. I carry appendix, maybe you don’t or that little extra barrel won’t bother you on the P-07. That said they are both great and I rotate them regularly. Holsters and such are much more plentiful for P-07. Hope this lengthy comment helps.
@@jb8086 I'd like to jump on this. The P-07 and the Rami actually team up better than cz pistols as the back thumb web width matches. The downside to the rami is the length of barrel doesn't allow it to be as stable, and its a bit of a tank. It shoots great though and you can add xd mag pinky extensions on.
The rami is my carry gun! Shame to hear it’s discontinued. Love my all metal da/sa pocket rocket.
i must be weird, i got the suppressor ready P09 and just make it work
I'm an older man...with older gun teachings. The very thought of carrying an auto "cocked and unlocked" makes me shiver. I'll do double action or a safety only.
I’ll keep my Beretta M9 and I’ll never buy a Glock 17/19 etc.
You’d pretty much have to be having a stroke to ND with an M9 while holstering or drawing. 👍
Same for me, and I'm not that old. I keep a Gen 4 Glock 40 as my nightstand pistol. I'm always worried I'm going to accidentally pull the trigger if I grab it in the night. I currently carry a Taurus G3 with a thumb safety. I'm looking to carry something a bit bigger. I'm looking at the H&K P30L, and the CZ P-09 Duty. The CZ is pretty heavy. If it wasn't so heavy, I'd buy it right away.
The Bersa TPR9C is a great DA/SA option. It it super reliable, flat shooting and easy to conceal. This has been my summer carry pistol, it's small enough to carry with just a short sleeve button down or even a T-shirt. It also has a safety that is also a decocker. The only downside is that it's very hard to find a IWB holster specifically made for it. Honestly, I can't say enough good things about this little pistol and strongly recommend it if you are looking for a DA/SA conceal carry option.
Look for holsters for the bersa thunder uc 9. They will be compatible.
I know this is really late but I appreciate the Bersa TPR9C recommendation. Searching around, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
@@SparkyTom1 Glad I could help!
And if you are left handed this option is an absolute win!
only problem is Bersa's finishes are dogshit so if you want to CCW the gun you should expect to get it cerakoted.
I bought a Px4 compact carry last week and I’m so impressed and in love with it. So I bought another one today for collection.
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HK P30sk I had one for years and absolutely loved it.
I really loved this video. You made some great points. I felt the part where you said "Those guns leave less room for error than I'm comfortable with," because I've been trying to put that feeling into words for a while
HK P2000/P2000SK and the P30SK are great options, especially the P2000SK. A relatively slim DA/SA with 10+1. Then again, I carry a P30 everyday comfortably.
Totally agree. The P30SK a frequent flier for me. Having 17 round magazine cross-compatibility with my P30L is a huge win, too.
My EDC is a 40 S&W P2000. I also have a 40 P2000SK and a Walther PPS/K for carry duty but the P2000 almost always leaves with me.
The P2000 doesn't get enough attention
@@mattnw42 Agreed. It is one of the only handguns I regret getting rid of.
P30sk is a great pistol ,I tried one with the LEM trigger at my local Range and found it to be very accurate and easy to shoot for it’s small grip size
One of my favorite small DA/SA handguns is a Makarov. You can find some good Makarovs for good prices, and they only made a couple dozen million of them, so parts are everywhere. The only issue is 9x18. They did make some in .380 for export though, and from what I hear, the .380 and 9x18 use the same mags. If I'm not mistaken, the only part that is different is the barrel.
They were good for the time they were made. The lack of real sights is the deal killer, though. They're also really heavy with more recoil than a gun of that size and caliber needs to have.
@@LuckyGunner
Simply one option among few.
CZ produced a double stack service weapon called the CZ82. Only criticism is no de-cocker.
Can you even user replace the barrel on a makerov? I know it's a fixed design.
@@LuckyGunner I truly dont understand the weight thing. Ive never gotten tired carrying a pistol. Theyre all small. Even a fullsize pistol isnt a heavy object.
I never understood why the gun community disliked the SIG P250. I have 5 of them and absolutely love them! I am a seasoned, longtime gun owner who has tons of Glocks that I am very proficient with but have to say I do enjoy shooting the SIG P250. To me it is like having a large capacity revolver with a way better trigger pull. The whole concept makes a lot of sense. I am just as accurate with the P250 as I am with a striker fired pistol. It just takes practice. Once you master it the gun is a fun one to shoot. Well, that is my two cents worth...
Because it's a Sig? LOL - I jest, Sigs are usually pretty well made; I carried one professionally for a while, and I just don't like them personally. Same for Glocks and Glock-Offs. But, I'm getting older and my own "Fuddism" is creeping in - I grew up on Beretta and, that's the grip profile I like, curvy.
And the high bore axis of the Sigs, just always felt very top heavy to me - even in the all metal versions, sort of floppy on the tilt - if you will. I think that's why I like the CZ and knock-offs. The Desert Eagle Jericho is one of my favs - heavy as hell, but if you run out of ammo you could beat 'em to death! LOL
But, the Jericho has that same curviness as the Beretta - and a really low bore axis. With the polygonal rifling, it's a real real good shooter out to distance. When I lived in Alaska I could hit a two by two ft box, mostly, off the bench at 100 yards - about 75% of the time. You're basically aiming a foot or three high, so sights are useless and target is covered up. Always fun with a .45 - you can shoot and wait for the, "plunk!" - Not much snazz left from a short barrel at that range. I doubt I could shoot like that these days - but, it would be fun to try.
I will always be partial to the DASA, but - it's not like I really need to be in the market for anything new anyway. Once I'm good, I'm good - I don't buy often.
Kenneth, I agree.
Subcompact 45 frame p250 with compact mag and xgrip adaptor 10 shots 6.7 inches and 26 ounces. That’s a heckuva lot of firepower in a modern subcompact and it’s DA. Llama used to sell a nifty 1911 in single action, the mini max 2, which holds another round but is also heavier. The Sig is wider but not by much and in other ways the better gun.
I have a p250 in .40. best double action trigger I have.
@@rayss3323 You can run the P250 as a .40 with the subcompact with .40 sub compact magazines and no X grip adaptor needed and its only 4 1/2 inches high and holds 11 shots. That’s theoretically more firepower than my .45 ACP setup with a half inch smaller grip- but .40 is snappy as heck to shoot and I do need room for my bottom finger and so I shelved that setup. But in a shoulder holster I might still try it.
I know this is an older video and someone else in the comments mentioned this, but you should strongly consider the CZ75D PCR or P01. They aren't excessively large, the PCR and P01 are aluminum and are quite light, and they have good trigger and decocker characteristics for carrying. They're also somewhat affordable especially compared to the much larger Beretta 92 compact and Sig 229 which don't really qualify as "compact" to me.
I have a PCR. I love it, it's my baby, it's the most enjoyable and most accurate out of any of my pistols. I just don't enjoy trying to CC it all that much. Call me a wuss or a baby but I don't want to wear super baggy long clothes and have the gun poking into me.
@@AyahuascaSage We need a thinner version of 2075 D RAMI...
@@tonytian9631 I ended up getting a Beretta 80X Cheetah for carry. It would be awesome if CZ released an updated DA/SA subcompact. I'd most likely buy it.
The sig p239 would fit the bill for a carry da/sa but unfortunately sig discontinued production a few years ago. It was ahead of its time and would be nice to see it made again.
It's quite refreshing to find a professional who agrees with me on the safety factor of hammer-fired pistols vs striker-with-no-external-safety pistols. Now, I own and carry and have carried for years a Glock and three Kahr pistols. But I gotta tell ya, there is that tiny little bit of anxiety if I have to reholster. Anxiety is a strong word. I guess I just mean I am well aware of what COULD happen and feel the need to take some extra time to check the holster and surrounding area and then holster smoothly, trying to feel any hitch in the getalong. ;)
I'm MUCH more comfortable either using a manual safety or having my thumb over the hammer. One thing I like about the Walther P99 is that I can feel the striker protruding from the rear so, at least in theory, should some wayward whatzit find it's way into my holster mouth and then the trigger guard, I could feel the problem before it becomes a trip to the local understaffed and kinda rude ER.
Cz p07 ended my years of searching, it’s just that good for me .
The CZ P-01 Omega is hard to beat …
Especially when it’s been cajunized.
Thicc and heavy tho
@@borkwoof696 this was my choice. Ended up with RAMI D :) IWB kydex and it does the trick :)
*a falling out decocker has entered the chat*
@@CzechoslovakGunStories Hey, if it works, it works ;)
Great assessment, as usual. Most of us avid shooters have been on an endless search for the holy grail of carry pistols forever. And after 47 years of regular concealed carry, I've come full circle. Based on my personal risk assessment, available platforms and my skill set, revolvers are my first choice followed by DA/SA pistols followed by 1911 platforms that have a thumb safety and backstrap safety. Still, the search continues.
I think you should have given the HK P2000sk and the USP compact an honorable mention.
I know that the p30 evolved from both of these, but each has their own unique place in this discussion.
Not currently manufactured.
@@W1ldt1m
They are still on HKs website
Of the HK DA/SA 9mm handguns, my preference s the P2000.
@@W1ldt1mBoth are still manufactured as of February 2024. Stop spreading misinformation about subjects you aren’t knowledgeable about!
I do appreciate your videos and their content. I find them as authoritative as the best gun videos and head and shoulders above all the rest that aren't the "Let's shoot (insert weird item) and see what happens" videos.
It’s like the gun gods knew of my plight lol. I decided to carry this year and been practicing with my P365 as my first firearm. As I progressed at getting proficient with it, I started to become more aware of my safety concerns with the striker fire, which I knew from the get go but seemed to have more weight as I got closer to actually carrying it. So after much, MUCH debate with myself, decided to go for double action, single action. And oh boy, everything you said about options is so true. Extremely difficult to choose, especially for a first time gun owner myself. In the end, chose a Px4 😅
Did you get the 365 with an external safety or not?
Nice
Have both the PX4s compact and sub. Slightly chunky but I love em.
If you don’t pull the trigger.. a bullet will not come out.
Correction if the trigger isn't pulled nothing will come out. But if the trigger is pulled it will fire whether you pulled the trigger or not
CZ P-01 for the win!
I also love my little Walther P-22 for a .22cal option. Sig p-250 is great for a DAO if you can find one but they are a bit bulky/boxy. Still plenty of options out there.
I like how you pretty much glossed over the Sig P250. Yes it's discontinued, but the flip side of the general distaste for it in the market (due to people largely being too lazy or ignorant to learn double action) is that they're fairly easy to find and pretty affordable, as nobody wants them, wants to buy them, and departments are dumping them. They're commonly in 40s&w, as was the one I snapped up, but there's still caliber exchange kits out there, and because it's very much the same thing as a P320, there's tons of stuff you can support it with (mags, holsters, grips, barrels, recoil springs, e.t.c.) and you can largely format it the form factor of your liking. I love my P320, but I'm also a huge fan of the P250. What's not to like about a modular pistol with a smooth 7lbs DAO trigger? We all know Sig does excellent hammer fired guns, even if their flagship lines are basically duty sized. Another DAO Sig worth mentioning, is the P290RS. Also discontinued unfortunately, but very compact and concealable, but low capacity. I think they have an even nicer trigger than the P250 actually, especially if you stage the trigger. It almost feels like there's a little detent that it settles into before you fully break the shot, almost like the letoff of draw weight in a compound bow. Very, very cool gun. I wouldn't make it my mainline carry personally, but would definitely, and comfortably run it in a backup gun capacity. If you're happy to carry sub compact and like double action, check out the P290. The only thing I don't love about them is the capacity.
Because of watching Lucky Gunner and other channels, I purchased a CZ P-07 last year and love it. Thumbing the safety during re-holster is a good habit to get into.
I also wanted a DA/SA carry pistol, with second-strike capability. Others in comments have given good options, including the TP9 based options... but no one appears to have mentioned the pistol it's built upon, and the one I ended up choosing. The Walther P99C AS compact. They only recently stopped making them. It is a STRIKER fired gun, but with DA/SA style trigger action, and a full de-cocker button. It is the best of both worlds, with none of the drawbacks. First pull is a long but smooth 9lb trigger pull, but all follow-up shots are short-reset sub-4lb triggers that break clean as glass. This means the striker does NOT need to be pre-cocked at all, but can still be fired immediately upon draw without any slide action. This ALSO means it's not just second strike capable, but multiple-strike capable if desired. The gun is small (it's a double-stack compact)... it's actually got a slightly smaller profile (though fatter obviously) than the tiny P-22. Think about that. A 10-rd double-stack 9mm, which can accept standard mags with a grip sheath, but with a length/height profile that is smaller than a .22LR with the same capacity. I am a skinny dude who isn't very tall, but even I have NO trouble carrying this thing concealed.
If you can find one of these gems still out there, get it. I've trusted mine as my EDC for years, and it's great.
The P99C as is a great gun for sure.
The classic S&W Model 39 derivatives are still worth a look IMO.
I was about to say man, my 39-2 is an excellent DA/SA, and even though it’s limited in capacity, it’s well worth it for the awesome double action and even better single action pull you get. Good luck finding mags for it though.
Have one. Good for no carry locations with a Clipdraw attachment.
Kahr CM9....I've been carrying mine off duty for 7 years. The trigger is so good! Smooth like butter. It's not DA/SA but it's a good option if you like the DA feel.
I came down here to the comments to see if anyone mentioned Kahrs. I have a CW9, and love it! They are a good compromise if you want a longer DA feel trigger.
Agreed! Finest and safest CCW available!
And they're under 400 dollars
@@taylorchinn exactly. Me too. I have a cw9 and had to scroll a while to see this first mention of the Khar DAO series slim striker pistols. Perfect CCW option.
I feel like you totally over looked the CZ 75 Compact. Great DA/SA gun with really good aftermarket parts. Also, available with decocker if that's more your flavor.
Yeah I have a cz 75 compact, might be the best gun I've ever owned. Makes glocks look and feel like trash.
Yup, p01 for the win
low bore axis too.
P-01 that I own is the most ergonomic pistol I’ve ever shot and it runs as smooth as melted butter!
He overlooked the CZ 75 compact? He overlooks the CZ 2075 Rami. And All Steel DASA carry pistol. The guy is an idiot.
I carry my HK P30 in an AIWB holster. I absolutely love the DA/SA. Whenever I need a little deeper concealment, I carry my USP Compact 9mm which is also DA/SA.
I can't believe I've never seen the striker control device for Glocks before. That nugget alone made the hours I've spent watching your videos worth it. Just kidding, I love your content.
I'm just curious why more companies don't make striker fired handguns with manual safeties or at least grip safeties? Hell, if Canik would make their TP9 da in a compact variant, that would be a solid option!
@@mutilator97 I've heard, and I believe it, that buyers just don't want manual safeties. A lot of tactical people have convinced the average gun owner that they are going to forget to disengage the safety and get killed. Also, Glock convinced the LEO community they didn't need them, and a lot of people follow the lead of police or military when it comes to gun choices.
My thinking is that the average person is far more likely to have a fatal ND than be killed by failure to disengage the safety. Also, LEOs have civil immunity for their NDs. We don't.
I love my CZ P-07. It's DA/SA, and I like the trigger, sights, and the feel.
My dad had the P-07 and P-09, they were both really accurate, I shot them very well.
You can still find Sig P250's. They share many parts with the P320, including extractors, magazines and grips. I have my subcompact slide on a P320 XCompact grip. Just ordered a flat trigger from Armory Craft. They are simple to maintain and accurate guns.
I carried the p250 for a couple of years. It now resides as a bedside. I love that gun. It was, for the most part, the first pistol that I really trained myself to shoot well. If you learn on that long trigger all guns become much easier to shoot well. If you are skinny and carry iwb on the backside, you can , very comfortably, carry a fairly large gun. I keep a DA/SA p229 back there now and can drive for hours without complaint. I don't know about if your are larger, as I have never been larger.
@@spudboyQ I am a bigger guy. After trying everything, I settled on cross draw OWB. When I can’t wear a cover garment, I carry an LCR in my pocket.
I just bought another one. Great gun. Consistent trigger pull. Probably my favorite I own.
Buy one while frames and conversion kits are still available.! This is a hidden gem that is overlooked in the Sig catalog. They take p320 mags, holsters and sights, because they are the hammer fired (original) version of the p320.
The Sig P-250 was a great pistol. I shot revolvers for years, and I had a West German P226 that I foolishly let go. When I saw the P250, I thought it would be a step down from the P226, but still usable for about half the price. To say the P250 exceeded those expectations is an understatement. The DAO trigger was every bit as smooth as the P226 DA pull and a shade lighter. And having shot DA revolvers for decades, the DAO trigger didn't take any learning curve at all. I currently have 5 P250 examples in various configurations (technically 5.5 because I have one of the 2Sum packages), and I'm always on the lookout for another. A hammer-fired DAO P365 would be the bee's knees. Unfortunately, I wouldn't put money on that ever happening.
I wish S&W would come out with a DA/SA or DAO version of the Shield. They could call it the Chief's Special to fit in with their current retro naming scheme.
Chief Special only one; there cannot be another one.
In the 90ies they already did made a small DA/SA that was called the chief special CS9, the 3913 / 3914 are nice also.
@@Gieszkanne yup, but the old style milled metal frame guns aren't really cost-competitive with molded polymer designs, so that's what I'm really hoping for
@chad kaminski The thumb safety on the Shield is so small as to be nigh-unusable. I've got two of them, I've tried using them. The little tiny nub of a lever is just too small. I'm amazed nobody's made an aftermarket version with a bit more beef.
And in any case, a safety doesn't magically make the trigger a TDA mechanism.
They could call it the 'non-binary 9' and I'd laugh all the way to my lgs and buy one.
I've been carrying the CZ75 compact PCR for months now and I love it. Fast, accurate and easy to manipulate.
I got lucky when Classic had some German-made Walther P99’s police turn ins. Mine was in like-new condition and has the DA/SA anti stress trigger.
I still love my P229 .357/.40 as my go to DA/SA EDC.
CZ PCR, CZ P01, CZ P07 with some polishing (and maybe CGW or CZC or MCarbo parts) all rock if the size is OK for ya. That said, I carry a P10c with dot (or a Walther PPS M2 with laser if I want to go tiny) even tho I own a PCR and P01. If I was gonna buy a new carry it'd probably be a Hallcat or similar.
Why with some polishing? They seem fine to me
@@rustyshackleford4366 I have a handful of CZ75s. The actions on all of them have improved dramatically once the internals were polished and a couple springs replaced. I had CGW polish my 1st 2 then I did the rest and even repolished the ones CGW did. The action becomes much more smooth and it lightens the trigger pull a bit.
Chris, I get your safety concern about striker-fired and reholstering. But I don't see a big need to reholster in a hurry. I simply unclip the holster, insert the pistol/revolver safely, then put it back in its place. Problem solved, and many more guns to choose from.
The XDE 3.3 was my first carry gun. The design of the firearm helped me get comfortable with carrying a round in the chamber. Now, I carry an XDM Elite, but the XDE is still in the rotation. From the factory, the DA trigger is decent enough for a self defense pistol and in SA, it feels nice and smooth. It is a bit clunky up top, but it's still only an inch wide so concealing it isn't a problem for me. Handles recoil pretty well. Looking to get a CZ P07 and a Ruger P89 in the future to add to the rotation. Love the content! Have a great day everyone!
P250 was my first handgun when I turned 21(first gun ever) and I still love it
I shoot it more accurate than my glock or any other handgun, I wish they still made them. I feel safer with it than a 320
I concur, my p250 taught me to be a better shooter as well. It really is a great design and surprised they have not considered an updated version. Not to mention it spearheaded the modularity craze.
@@michaelshearer3559 it's an amazing gun, it's really sad it didn't sell well and they discontinued it. It definitely brought forward the modular design, and has blown up since then. People hate the trigger, but don't understand how great it is for teaching trigger discipline, and repetition
I think the “compact” size pistols are ideal-P229, P30, P2000, SP2022, P-01, CZ 75 Compact. Best of all worlds. Springs are available for the S&W via Wolff, though spare parts are a bit harder to find.
I own a Sig p250, yeah it’s been discontinued for a few years but they pop up on gunbroker a lot, and take p320 frames and magazines and sig front sights. Great gun. Also own a Springfield XDe 3.3. So i was in the same boat as the letter writer.
How would you compare the two? I also have a 250 that I love, except to carry all the time (bad hips, sciatic pain. Most double stack guns (and some Revolvers) just make the hurt, more.
@@niadhf I've got a L5/S1 disc blown out to the right that causes sciatic pain if I'm not careful and carry a P226 with a Streamlight TLR-7 mounted all day IWB at 5 o'clock, every day. Wore it on a 1,300 mile drive in a sports car a couple months ago with no issues.
Shop more holsters. Been real happy with Cook's.
@@immikeurnot I have a good selection of (name brand/quality) holsters. And belt.
I can carry one firearm for a while, no problem, then have to switch it up. Leg goes numb, all that.
It sucks.
Especially because I remember NOT having those issues.
But I am also quite comfortable with carrying 7,8,9 round single stacks. Or Snub nose Revolvers, so it is rare that a double stack (which, where I live is limited to 10 rounds) gets carried.
Kel-Tec PF-9 and the discontinued P-11 are 9mm DA only (shrouded hammer) 10+1 and are CCW designed. Good options. I was able to cover the hammer with my thumb on my P-11 and it will not fire.
I have a Sig P250 and absolutely love this pistol. Beautiful trigger function (so smoooth),
and DAO Safety.
A win, win in my book!
My wife's gun is a P250 compact in .380. NO recoil. No safety. No chance for her to screw it up.
I’ve had good luck with the Sccy CX2 in 9mm. Pocket pistol size, 10 round double stack mag, hammer fired DAO. Reliable. I want to add Kahr PM9. DAO striker fired single stack, but a good quality gun.
I wonder why the hammers don't have a spur on them.
I have a SCCY 9mm and a 380 both have been flawless and a Kahr cm9 all 3 are DAO I like the 10 round magazines with the SCCY
The PPS series has the striker indicator that protrudes when the trigger is being pulled. In my opinion, it's much better built than any Glock and easier to handle. I actually purchased my m2 due to your review.
I agree , the original model was much flatter
That particular feature of the PPS M2 has kept me off upgrading to the P365 or one of its fellow micro compact stack-and-a-halfs. The extra ammo capacity would definitely be nice, but the peace of mind of an extra layer safety for holstering that I don't have to disengage in an emergency is really nice to have. I wish it was a feature more carry pistols included stock.
Very true :-) !
I recommend the HK P30sk, HK p2000sk or usp compact all with LEM trigger!
Amen, brother. USP CT is in my rotation.
@@romeo_alpha0176 great gun! I edc usp compact 9mm
Really wish more HK pistols out on there second hand market were LEM trigger models.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography. You can always convert the trigger. LEM conversion is easy if you’re patient with springs
P30SK is a frequent flier for me. Great guns. My dad carries a P2000SK and loves it, too.
Closest three I've ever owned that fit the bill were the Walther P99C, Sig 290RS, and the Springfield XDE that was mentioned. The P99C is an oddity that is SA/DA striker...yes...striker fired with a decocker. All were chambered in 9mm. We definitely need more in the striker fired subcompact market. I wish SIG would make a 365 DAO.
CZ 2075 D Rami is very small (sub compact) and fits all requirements in question. It is Double/single action with a decocker leaver. Grip is surprisingly fit the hand very good. I am sure you would love this pistol once you have a chance to test it.
Super good pistol. any 75 based CZ
Yes, I own a RAMI and love it! Sweet shooter and very accurate!
#RAMIgang
I am a rigid DA/SA carrier myself, and loved the video. You said in 9 minutes, what took me 10 years to figure out. Doesn't stop me though, I still own and carry exclusively the P250, SP 2022 (My first love), and currently the P229 romeo. On rare occasions I will carry the Bodyguard, but feel a little underdressed at the party, if you know what I mean. Great video, I am really liking these Q&A sessions, thorough discussion.
I carry a CZ rami and in my opinion its the best sub compact dasa
Sadly, i believe it is discontinued, hope its brought back someday
Yeah, the RAMI was officially discontinued in 2020, unfortunately.
I really hope they bring back the RAMI as just a subcompact version of the P-01
Agreed and one of my all-time favorites. Well worth seeking out on the used market for those interested.
I used to carry a Rami but I had pretty consistent failures to feed with hollow points. I'll never sell it though. That gun is class incarnate.
They should definitely bring it back at least with maybe smaller amount especially since they already have all the tooling. I feel like that’s be a great option for this
DAO Sig P250 subcompact for the win. I've had and carried one for over 5 years. Uses the same mags and shares many parts with the P320 and a few other Sigs. Very reliable even when dirty and doesn't jam when limp wristing either.
Even though it's DA/SA our Ruger P95's are still the undisputed champs!
@@jasonroberts9357 Yeah, I have several of the Ruger P series guns and even one of their carbines that uses the P series mags. They are great. A little big and heavy though. So far I have a P89, P90, P94, several P95 and a P97. The P95 seems to be the most accurate. At least with the ones I have. Only down side is they jam when my girlfriend limp wrists them, but the Sig P250 doesn't jam for her.
@@Prepare2Survive Nice! You've got quite the collection! Always wanted an old Ruger PC Carbine and a P94 in 40S&W. I agree with the accuracy of the P95. It's by far the most accurate, and easiest gun to shoot in my collection.
It's a pipe dream, but it would be awesome if Ruger did a 2.0 version of the P series. Until then, I guess we'll cherish our old faithful classics!
PS You've got good taste in TH-cam videos. I seem to run across your comments on a lot of the same channels/videos I watch. All the best to you brother!
I was a striker fired pistol afficianado for competition and carry until I allowed you and Earnest Langdon talk me in to the DA/SA’s and now I own 4 of Beretta’s PX4 Storms. My daily companion is the PX4 Compact Carry in an AIWB Enigma rig. I really don’t mind the weight and since I have XL+ hands it is about as small a pistol as I can manage well, and as you know, they are superb performing firearms.
Lionheart Industries LH9 and Regulus are all DA/SA and available in 2 sizes with custom configurations available. Other options for DA/SA include
AREX REX ZERO 1CP
Kriss Sphinx SDP Compact
Most of the Grandpower Line up
Tanfoglio Witness
Sarsilmaz B6
Arex Zero1, Alpha
Magnum Research Baby Eagle III
Walther Creed
Canik TP9DA
Walther p99 AS
.... and many more
Next to da/sa, I feel like the safest gun for holstering is the springfield xd line because of the grip safety. Moving your thumb to the back of the slide, just like you would for da/sa, takes your palm off the grip safety and keeps the trigger from going off when holstering. I still prefer da/sa for the longer first trigger, but the grip safety of xd's are better than the striker control mechanism available to glocks. The grip safety is passive, while the glock is actual button than your thumb has to search for.
I noticed Chris had one hair out of place in this video
And if you get your hand or hands injured you won’t be able to defeat that grip safety to be able to safe your life. For me grip safeties provide nothing but good feelings about safety but don’t really do so
"But a grip safety is gonna get you killed! No good can come of having it!!!.... Its going to fail and make your gun a paperweight!... If you're pinky cramps during a gunfight youre not going to be able to shoot!".
People have been saying this crap about the XD line for years.
Grip safeties have been on the 1911 without major problems.
I think those were around a little longer than Glocks.
@@seribas oh the irony of some gun arguments: “The only safety needed is proper firearm handling…. But also i expect to be able to win against John wick even while improperly handling a gun.”
@@vent51177 right! I actually tested this conspiracy theory myself and was able to make an XD fire with just the crook of my thumb and one finger. I still used my support hand for safety reasons but if you don’t have the capacity to disengage a grip safety you are severely mishandling a gun and you are just as likely to either shoot yourself or make the gun malfunction as you are to defend yourself
Kahr Arms has DAO striker fired concealed carry sized pistols.
The trouble with hammer fired pistols is the hammer main spring rides along the spine of the grip, resulting in a bulkier grip. Striker fired guns allow much smaller grips.
The Kahr Arms pistols have very long but smooth trigger pulls and no manual safety.
Plus availability in 40 and 45. In addition, if one wants a slightly larger version, they are available.
My thoughts exactly! I have had my CM9 since 2012. I love it and have no problem qualifying at 25 yards as my backup gun. Very smooth action and with the barrel offset, it has a low bore axis and is safe to carry like a double-action revolver. Easy to teach new shooters as the trigger pull is always the same and no worry about the safety being on or off. Although I recommend a holster, you could carry it in a pocket or backpack with no problems.
Yes , Kahr is most definitely the best da only edc .
Yeah, they call it DAO, but that shit's like 4.5-5 pounds out of the box. Not much of a trigger safety.
@@mutilator97 “Trigger Safety” is between your ears.
SCCY CPX 2. Has gone bang every time I've pulled the trigger for about 7 years now. 10 + 1, fits my large hands well, but also fits my wife's hands perfectly. Doesn't print at a ll under a t shirt. XDe 3.3 45 cap is also awesome. Also no print, but as you can expect, kicks a "little".
Sig P-250 compact best DAO hand gun in my opinion. Good ammo capacity, tritium sights, very good weight and balance. Another cool feature with this weapon is that the trigger mechanism is the actual serial numbered gun. You can purchase full size, compact and sub bodies, and only have one registered handgun. Although discontinued over a decade ago, there are still plenty available in 9mm, sig .357, .40 cal and .45. No safety to think about in a critical situation. This has been my concealed weapon for many years, and it probably will always be.
Sig P250! Great pistol. Some may think they are a bit too heavy but they shoot great even with +P
Always enjoy your content, well researched, honest , no bs and professionally presented; extra props for the Depeche Mode reference
I'm glad someone else caught that reference. Not sure if he was being literal about the being friends with Dave Gahan part though.
I carried a DAO SCCY for 8 or 9 years, as I couldn't warm up to the Glock (and others) promise of safety. I shot the SCCY regularly and never had any kind of problem, other than aging hands. After a session at the range, the snappiness started to be no fun. So I bought a CZ RAMI, heavier but way easier to shoot. I still own both, but with aging eyes, I now carry a Poly 80 G26, modified with a slide cut for an optic, and also modified with that back plate that rises up when the trigger is pulled. 10 + 1 and a G19 backup and I'm a happy camper. Anyway, the SCCY has a "revolver heavy" DAO trigger that takes some practice getting used to, but will meet your email friend's needs.
I love the trigger on my Seecamp LWS 32, it's DA only.
Every trigger pull cocks and fires the hammer. No safety. No cocking, my only complaint is the magazine disconnect.
I have one and like it but I think he was trying to stay away from pocket handguns. Also my Seecamp now stays in the safe since a lot of modern handguns match the size and offer better calibers and are lighter due to polymer frames (Ruger LCP sans LCP II in .380 are some examples). If you want a steel frame in a pocket size handgun then the Seecamp is the best bet.
Beretta needs to do an update of the PX Storm series. Like they did with the Cheetah. Would love to see a 3.5in to 4in barrel da/sa 10 to 12 round pistol in 9mm.
And I do not like their 'new' update. Costs 250 bucks more now for their basic model which is only designed to be further upgraded by a third party.
I think your logic is spot on. I have followed the same logic for over the last 50 years as a LEO. I had or have at least one of each of the following that was able to fill my needs S&W 3913, S&W CS9, Sig P230, Sig P224, Walther PPK 380, Walther TPH 22 LR. I presently carry the P365!
Still sticking with my 3rd issue Colt Det. Special.
Excellent Choice
Kahr guns are DAO striker fired guns available three frame sizes in polymer or steel. Their capacity is limited given they are all single stack. They're not prefect do-all (ST9 perhaps) guns. They're great for ccw imo. Also XDs have grip safeties. Also would like to see a XDE LTT review
I really like the look of Kahr handguns, the prices aren’t terrible either.
@@radium_habit6869 yeah they have specifically labeled Value and Premium series options. Makes life easier on us. Kahr's larger frame pistols are similar size to P365XL , way ahead of their time except on capacity.
I forgot about them. They have been making them for decades, they are good guns
Why did kahr not make the list? 🤔
Kahr has a horrible reputation for being unreliable. They are well built guns, just not as reliable as most modern semis.
Stoked for another video from the best gun channel on the tube!
I’m personally partial to the P99 AS but it’s not exactly compact either.
It's only slightly bigger than a Glock 26, but it has a rail and it weighs less. It gets my vote too.
@@asathomas84 plus it also has the James Bond value without sucking
@@borkwoof696 Haha, the only thing that sucks about a PPK in 7.65 mm is how expensive they are. The .380 ones do suck though.
Another P99 carrier here. With the right holster it isn’t hard to conceal.
Another alternative is a USP in LEM. Technically a DAO....albeit very light.
Love this channel…best channel on TH-cam that discusses firearms. When I got interested in firearms about three years ago this channel convinced me to go da/sa for my first concealed carry purchase. I’ve been carrying the XDE for almost 3 years now and have been really happy with it
I still carry a S & W model #3913 single stack 9mm 8+1 capacity. Bought it from a Detective. Has some holster wear, that's it. Love the gun. Slim, accurate, bobbed hammer, basically hammerless, you'll never even see it. Very light to me, .. as I despise plastic guns & won't carry one. Thin enough to carry inside waistband most of the time, but my belly keeps growing as I get older. I would put that 1980's made #3913 steel & aluminum up against any comparable single stack Tupperware gun made today on the shooting range. I love the decocker safety, when I go out I just flip off the safety & I still have the feature of a safe double action pull. Just because it's Old School doesn't mean it's still not cool & extremely efficient. If the youth today could shoot some of these ORIGINAL Wonder nines, they just might change their minds. If you ever get the chance to buy a 3rd Generation Smith, ...buy it, you won't be sorry.
Beretta 92x compact (no rail) is my choice for a compact DASA. I put some Langdon Tactical & Wilson Combat parts in it along with a bobbed 92D hammer.
One not listed is the 84FS Cheetah. Yes, it's a .380, but it's ergonomically a smaller 92 with double-stack capacity. Add some Critical Duty rounds and it is a great defensive carry.
I think the Springfield XD-e is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've always been a fan of Springfield pistols because they work, every time, which is sort of important in a carry pistol. I prefer having a hammer fired pistol if I'm carrying a loaded weapon pointed at my personal backside all day with a round in the chamber and the size of the XD-e is just right for hitting what I'm aiming at.
I feel like in this day and age with the preponderance of excellent semiautomatic reliability and performance options, "it works" is an alarmingly reductive reason to choose any firearm.
Not trying to buzzkill but the XD-E is prone to breaking the double action if you dry fire it. I have a video I had it break in my hands..
I carry the Smith&Wesson 5906 double action, 15 rnd capacity Omg a sweet, sweet firearm, accuracy is dead on with fiber optic sights.
that's the weight of like 2 glock 19s... I had a 5946, weighed a ton!
@@Tom-cp6yj I'm 6'2" / 225lbs it feels like the compact hellcat 🤣
Sig Sauer P250 sub compact.
Have one and love it, best DAO trigger on the market. Bonus: can use larger a P320 magazine
Excellent discussion. As a DA/SA fan, I have many of the guns on your list. I would only add the now-discontinued Walther P99C. The compact P99. A striker-fired gun with a decocker. Smallish but not micro. Outstanding trigger.
Call me crazy but I really like SCCY pistols, I had a cpx-2 and after cleaning up the surfaces a bit and polishing the feed ramp it ran FLAWLESSLY. They are a bargain for those that know how to work on guns a small amount. With a tiny bit of tweaking, they are great d/a s/a guns!
I've found the quality of Sccy lacking I carried one for a year and I was disappointed big-time in the way it degraded I only put about 2000 rounds through it and ...wow when I traded it I lost half the value ..... That says it all
I agree. They are kinda like disposable pistols. Not built to last. Great for ppl that don't shoot much, I suppose.
I've always been a revolver guy. But with the situation going on now I could not find one at a reasonable price. I came across a cpx-2 at an unbelievable price and picked it up. I'm very pleased with operation and the warranty is outstanding. The trigger is a little heavy but I've shot revolvers for over 40 years so it's really not an issue for me.
They won't even say you can shoot +p, so I avoided them
The CPX1/2 & 3/4 are pure DAO ... plus, they're double-strike capable ...and available with factory red-dots for a moderate additional expenditure. The factory lifetime warranty (is for the gun, and is not limited to the original purchaser. Just sayin'.
I’ve been enjoying my Kahr CW9 for years now.
Right. But he didn't even mention Kahr.
I like the Kahr too. But it is still a striker fired pistol and that's what they were trying to avoid.
Ditto with theP9
@@vernreed1969 trying to avoid the lighter striker fired pull... a Kahr remedies this issue
@@zacd6877 It's a longer pull. Is it lighter? I don't know and don't much care. The PM9 and P9 both work just fine for me. I'm always surprised by the way people shrug off the Kahr pistols. They seem to get lumped into the same category as the Sig P250. They say "interesting" and then move on.
I really enjoyed your videos. I think the HK P30SK Is when you may have overlooked. It comes in a few different versions one is Double action/single action
My friend bought the DA/SA version it shoots & carries wonderfully
The p2000sk is also really good. I personally like the looks of the p2000 more. I also dont like the finger grooves on the p30sk.
Agreed. P30SK is my daily carry. DA/SA variant. Very comfortable too with good holster. I like its heft.
North American arms guardian in 32 ACP and 380. Both DAO and great pistols I carry daily.
Check out the Walther P-99c AS. It’s a DA/SA STRIKER fired pistol almost the same size as a Glock 26. The small mags are 10 rd but you can get bigger mags too. I have some 15’s. You have a de-cocker obviously, paddle mag releases, slide stop, loaded chamber indicator, and you can also see the position of the striker from the rear of the gun so it’s very safe and easy to carry being mostly polymer. Oh also, one of my favorite things about the gun is how it breaks down. It’s easy and fast it makes keeping it clean a cinch. The best part tho is that it shoots well and has been super reliable on top of being easy to daily carry.
The market is SO saturated for striker fired Glock equivalents. Really wish more manufacturers would step up and make more DA/SA guns.
Say what you will, the Sccy cpx-2 DAO at 16oz with 10 + 1 9MM is imo a very good choice. Also if you can find one, a walther P99c is pretty good although a bit bigger. It's actually a striker fired sa/da with decocker.
Plenty of old Walthers out there. And can still get the PPK in 380.. Great little carry guns.
I agree, but he hates the PPK.
The Original Ruger lc9 not the lc9s is a double action gun, one would have to look on the used market but for about 200 dollars it is a great super concealable budget gun, with common holsters and mags because of the lc9s/ec9 models that replaced it.
The H&K LEM trigger is the best of all worlds. The USP compact .45 with it is awesome. I have them in all of my H&KS. Now I still carry a TSW S&W a lot
I love my Sig P239 but just as you mentioned in a review a couple of years ago, they don’t make magazines for them anymore 😞 . And that Depeche Mode song is one of my wife’s favorite. She says it reminds her of when we met 😍
I like the p239 , I got a p229 and its just a double stack and a little taller version of the p239. It fit my hand better and it was surprisingly easy to conceal. But it needs a bobbed hammer like the p239.
The Beretta Px4 Storm sub-compact is a reasonably small DA/SA semi-auto, with a 13 round capacity.
The HK USP Compact and P2000SK with an LEM trigger are two of the best CCW hammer-fired pistols out there! This was big miss on this presentation. Feels like a striker trigger and you never have to worry about a long DA pull, unless you restrike. IFYKYK!
I've always been an HK and Glock fan - love their quality and feel for me. That said , one of the exceptions to that rule was the S&W Chiefs Special 9mm...LOVED that gun's look and handling...for some indescribable reason. Never got around to buying one and have regretted that ever since they discontinued it. Anothe honorable mention to another discontinued gun - the Stainless Sig P232 - loved that one too - so of course they discontinued it !!
My wife has carried a Ruger SR-22 for nearly 7 years now. We have shot the crap out of it, and it generally eats anything we feed it. Currently she Carries the Federal Punch Self Defense rounds. The safety works backwards from many guns though.
I'd like to see a review of the Langdon Tactical XDE or just the regular base model. I also prefer DA/SA guns for carry, my current main carry gun is a Springfield XDE 9mm with the Langdon Tactical trigger/hammer kit. The gun is overly large for it's capacity, but it's nice that it's thin at least. I'm hoping Springfield Armory will keep working on the design to make it more size-efficient and release a "Mod 2" version or whatever, though I think none of that is likely.
I've never been so hopeful yet so disappointed to hold a gun. On paper is seems ok, but in person I just hated everything about the XDE. The fit in my hand was unlike anything else (and awful), the trigger was very Sig2022 (which I hate), the safety which can also come on when decocked and was in a weird position, the top heavyness... I just hated it all. Which is disappointing.
I didn't realize Langdon messed with them though, so it would be interesting to hear what they do to it.
@@DWalter.27 The stock trigger was a bit stiff, the trigger upgrade was worth it even with the heavier hammer spring option. Personally the ergonomics are good for my hands, the grip is just the right length where I can fit all my fingers on it without needing an extension on the magazine floorplate. I agree regarding the safety, these should be decocker only or have the safely only able to be activated when the hammer is cocked, unfortunately I think Langdon Tactical mentioned a long time ago that they didn't know of a good way to make the gun decocker only.
Due to the safety I'm on the fence on whether I should carry with the safety off and just assume it won't get activated by something brushing up against the gun, or carrying with safety on at all times so that I just get used to deactivating the safety on the draw. I might do kind of a hybrid, keep the safety off and just use my thumb to make sure it's off. IDK
I would enjoy a review of both the base model and the Langdon model. I'm actually quite surprised that he hasn't shot one yet.
As for size, I appreciate the extra real estate with the longer grip, but it is quite heavy compared to the competition. It does help it to be a smooth shooting handgun, certainly less snappy than the g43 class of pistol. I would be okay if they kept it how it is but offered a smaller .380 or .32acp version (I wish), an option to mount a dot and offer the Langdon upgrades from the factory.
@@Clipazine I personally don't worry about the safety accidentally engaging. It's very difficult to flip up deliberately, let alone by mistake or happenstance. Theoretically it could happen but I believe that the chances are very minimal.
@@rustwins4442 I would not say very difficult to engage, but I do like that the ambi safety is at least very low-profile to reduce the chance of that happening. Still, I'd love to have this gun but decocker only, I would buy another upgrade for that if I could! I agree there should be a .380 version, although I don't know much about what goes into the engineering that would be required to squeeze a reliable DA/SA mechanism into a small package that doesn't have an atrocious trigger pull!
I love my XDE for the safety features (especially the visible chamber indicator.) Yes, please review the Langdon edition. Thanks for your thoughtful videos
Yes, own all 3 options, and would love that review.
Same here. I was looking into the mini 1911 BBR 3.10 and stumbled across the XDE at a sporting goods store.
Was looking for this comment. Love mine too. 👍
My most often carried guns as far as semi-autos go are CZ 75 P-01 Omega, CZ 2075 Rami and H&K P30SK V3, all of them SA/DA, and also Kimber Micro 9 which is SA and sometimes Kimber Pro Carry II, which is also SA and unlike all those nines this one is 45ACP. All excellent guns and I can recommend any of them. Greetings from Prague, Czechia.
I carry HK P30SK mostly in the summer. Switch to Glock19 occasionally. And full size Beretta M9 in the fall and winter.
I love all my 9mm's - always have, always will - and have carried most of them over time. I recently bought a Rock Island Armory M206 .38 and it is my new and forever EDC.
I carry my PX4 Storm Compact in a Vnsh (vanish) holster. It makes carrying it quite manageable and comfy. And this combo mitigates the safety issues that come with pairing most guns with Belly Band holsters because DA/SA.