2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca Hot Lap! - 2011 Best Driver's Car Contender
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- Every car in the 2011 Motor Trend Best Drivers Car competition was lapped around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca by hot shoe Randy Pobst. Our next competitor, the Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca.
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Shot by: Jim Gleason, Gordon Green, Duane Sempson, Corey Denomy
Edited by: Jim Gleason
The boss 302 is an amazing car, ford did there home work on this beast. It'll be neat to see what else ford can come up with over the next few years.
Gt350 is reborned
Love this Mustang! Yeah Chevy and Mopar Guys always have comments about the Pony. But the truth is that it's a fun car to own and drive. Awesome work Ford!
Lol they can whine pony all they want it's clearly a big badass muscle car
I was in a Boss 302 on the dyno. In person it is the best sound I have ever heard!!! Videos do no justice for the sound and speed of this car.
my wife bought me one of these for my 40th birthday.. it's amazing!! I'd take it over the 2013 GT500 any day!!
More people that know anything about cars would. GT500 are consider low hanging fruit in my book. Triple
I know it's been 11 years since you wrote this but why? I plan on getting a boss 302 2012 in the future haha
I just bought one today 2013 only 16k miles for 40k even
I love how they test the Laguna Seca edition boss 302 at Laguna Seca. I'm curious how the results would be at a different track.
Beautiful! I love the europeans and the japanese. But when it comes to muscle, this is the first honest attempt and I am speechless. Beautiful car, true muscle power and simplicity. Go FORD!!!
If this is a first honest attempt ur clearly baised they made so many more good ones
@@blackeye3336 only a muscle car fan will turn an 11 year old positive comment into a pissing contest. I think your comment says more about you than anything else.
I've always liked the Hemi and LS series engines more than the Ford small blocks, but the sound that Mustangs put out is amazing!
the best part about this is that the boss 302 is an utterly massive engine when compared to the European and Japanese competitors. imagine bringing back a big block.
we need more Hot Lap episodes with Randy! cmon where you at
@V8Supercar1 Do you have any idead what Shelby does to a regular GT500 to make it a supersnake? They don't dump all 50 grand into the engine, they do extensive chassis and suspension tuning as well as well as improve downforce. Yet it still posts similar times to a stock Grandsport Corvette.
Regardless downforce is for help in corners and top speed there is not enough air pressure from 0-60 to make any difference in tire grip.
If you look at the rims while the car is moving forward, why does it sometimes for a second the rim looks like as if the car is going back, what do you call this effect? Always wondered...
I tracked down a Kona Blue Boss 302 (not the Laguna Seca model) with Recaros. The price is $41k. I have been looking around the net for reviews and found a lot of bad press concerning the Getrag 6 speed transmission. The Chinese made trans is giving many owners nightmares, NHTSA opened an investigation. I love the car, but I'm going to wait a while.
@AccordGTR Yes you can adjust the static camber. You heat & bend the tubes at the pumpkin. Why adjust the toe in the 1st place? You adjust the toe on an IRS to compensate for erratic toe changes thru out its range of motion. Kinda unnecessary w/ LRAs as tires get optimal contact patch at all times. The harder you push an IRS, the more you're riding on the tires edges. Quick elevation changes within a turn upsets IRS even more.The wider & lower profile a tire is, the smaller the IRS contact patch
no WORDS to say !! Simply awesome
His comments, or lack there of, pretty much speak for themselves... Simply an amazing mustang
I dont necessarily disagree with you. But the only question is. Is that car really considered a production car? Or is it a tuned GT500?
i'll admit its amazing, and i go back and forth on which one i like more. but i think i'd take the new gt500. ive been lucky enough to drive the 2013 gt500 and its amazing!! i really want to drive a boss tho just to see what it feels like. i love mustangs!!
@Greendude33: My question is. Where are you getting this info from about the 2013 GT500 already lapping the VIR?. Because I'm looking all over the internet now and I can't find anything. Secondly, comparing the CTSV to the old GT500 is irrelevant when consider the suspension, aerodynamics and downforce upgrades the new GT500 has. The new GT500 is also using stickier tires over the old one.
Even by not being so confortable on the roads, we all should celebrate the fact that a brand new personified US muscle car has finally put some real performance effort on real tracks, and with cheaper materials than the exotics. And all this with full world potencial.
Its almost a miracle coming from US automakers, since its not a exotic car or a Baja truck.
@Storm7289 Whats wrong with comparing? The Zo6 and boss were compared to some ultra high dollar cars. Whats wrong with that?
How are they hot lapping these cars?
Dead start or rolling start?
lol have you really driven one? cus ive driven the 2013 gt500 multiple times.the gt500 rides incredibly smooth. i own a 2006 mustang gt with a ford suspension kit and the gt500 is a much smoother everyday driver. but put it around a corner and the gt500 feels more balanced. i dont understand how you can say the interior is downgraded? the boss gets a very basic cloth interior its purpose is a track car, the gt500 gets fully loaded interior. so i ask again have you really driven both?
Very impressive .. not been a fan of American cars for track in a very long time.
@luimarco Did you consider money? The Cayman R starts at 66,300, while the boss starts at 48,100. The Porsche is also much lighter. They are both awesome cars, but I prefer the boss, since I'm a fan of its legacy as a muscle car, and its heavenly sound.
@OgleTorp then you really need some help understanding. do you compare honda civic si to a lamborghini reventon? no same thing but on a little lower scale.
I drove them both. The GT500 is nice, LOTS of power, but the BOSS 302 just has a more road-friendly feel. It drives so smooth and works as an everyday driver. While the GT500 is noticeably sport tuned (rougher ride, interior is downgraded from the BOSS 302). As for gas milage, the BOSS 302 is MUCH more doable!!
Why was the lap time a seconds slower than the regular boss
Cranky Jash Come on man you now they will not let a Mustang run a faster lap than there beloved German cars.
The laguna seca is actually heavier than the regular boss... laguna seca is 3641 and the boss 302 is 3483. The rear seat delete is deceiving because what they don't advertise is the fact that the rear stabilizer added more weight for increased rigidity.
Sources please. The regular Boss 302 is definitely not 100 lbs lighter then the LS. I also wonder where you got the info about the X-brace from. The rear seat delete is 22lbs lighter then the stock rear seats. The brace it self weighs 7lbs and is pretty much just cosmetically and mostly keeps the content of the trunk from flying across the car under emergency braking in traffic.
I don't know how he managed to only do a 1:41, an official lap time was set at 1:39.50
sorry if i came across as rude i didnt mean too, but i still dont really understand what you mean about the interior. i mean both the boss and shelby have the same layout except the shelby is fully loaded while the boss is more basic with less options, (not that you need it when you have a track monster like the boss). but hey we both love mustangs and i love both the boss and gt500. we can appreciate how awesome these mustangs are. glad you are enjoying the boss that must be one sweet ride!
@Greendude33 I've driven my friends c6 an he drive my boss and he and I both agree my car handled better and was more powerful. What car do you drive and have you ever driven both the vette and the boss? Because I have... I go to Nola Motorsports park on the weekends and I can tell you there are no stock vettes touching my boss unless it's a zo6 or a zr1
@AccordGTR can you explain what racing weight means? I know the curb weight is 3620 can you explain what you mean by its over 3800lbs racing weight? Also this time is very slow compared to other times this car has got on the track. The regular boss 302 beat this time by almost a second and car and driver got it done in 1:39:50
@highflyer4 Curb weight doesn't include driver. If racing, you also need a racing harness and roll cage which is at least another 70-100 lbs. I didn't see that in the car. Lap times can vary driver to driver, and track conditions. If the track is dusty, lap times are slower. If the track has been swept by a lot of cars, the lap times will be quicker. I could tune a car just using tire pressure and drop my lap time up to 1-2 seconds depending. Other suspension tuning can drop another 1-2 seconds.
@osskeet If you think an M3 sucks then what car do you like?
Rolling start. The lap time they publish is usually the best of many.
@acs4llc Whats your point? The Corvette Grand Sport is a badass car and is the total package. Unlike the Boss its even got a full frame and respectable top speed performance.
So cool seeing this for real. Ive raced this in all the Gran Turismo games, so I know every turn.
@luimarco 440 is crank hp, not RWHP. And it is actually 444 crank hp. I own a Boss 302, #0248. Mine did 390 rwhp, not sure where you are getting your information.
@acs4llc haha ok I'll bite, how is live axle more advantageous to IRS for circuit racing or autocross? If IRS is not a performance feature, why is it used in high performance cars? Why is live axle not uses in F1 or pure race cars?
@Greendude33 Sure 50/50 static/stationary weight dist is great for spirted driving but when standing on the brakes and trying to turn, do you think it stays 50/50? You give plenty of reasons why the GS should be faster than the Boss and I agree it should, at all tracks but clearly it's not and clearly relys on WOT opportunities and not so many hairpins because of its better power to weight. Nevermind huge tire/brake, balance and center of gravity, a Boss with equal power to weight will
@Greendude33 I didn't say the Boss 302 LS seats 3 passengers but has a 3 passenger body as opposed to a 1 passenger sports car.
Read the article you yourself brought up. It points to how similarly the Boss and Corvette GS corner thru the sectors despite the Boss having less power to weight. Nevermind (static) balance or center of gravity. What does that tell you? What does that tell you about the other tracks where the GS has lost to the Boss? Is it starting to make sense yet? Corvettes perform
@TheHm3
Z06 not good on the straights?
Ford GT 0-60: 3.8sec
Z06/Z07 0-60: 3.7sec
The GT has top speed though. But to be fair, the GT is a bit older (and with technology advancement these days, it's really old). I love them both either way
@1vdn992 What are you going to do when the new GT500 is a huge dissapointment like the 800HP Supersnakes?
@highflyer4 oh my bad, i didn't know that. i would love to test drive one. are they on showroom floors yet?
Best wife ever!
@acs4llc the tire tuning technique I use (there are many techniques depending on who you talk to), is I try to equalize the tire temp across the tire (inner, center and outer tread temp) among all 4 tires. I correlate this to my driving style and datal-ogger to see if I can drop my lap times overall or achieve the fastest speed through key corners. I experiment with spring rates, compression and rebound settings in my shocks and tire pressure. Note: this only works if u r a consistent driver!
its' good, its' good amazingly good!
Man that's beautiful!!
This Mustang is so beautifully gorgeous 😍😍
@pcload1etter Does the Nurburgring have a cork screw, quick elevation changes within turns, a tight hairpins, decreasing radius' and a double apex or 2? If so I'm impressed and obvously not all mustangs are bought to carve up corners and especially not the Boss 302LS variety(?) but neither are all 3-series BMW or Porsche 911s but at least mustangs can take a drag strip hammering if called on to do so.
@Storm7289 How can you post a comment about a test from 07? Motor Trend tested all 11 cars under the same conditions with the the same driver. The Boss didnt come close to the GT-R.
@Greendude33: Thats no surprise considering it has 136HP more than the boss. Secondly, the new GT500 is not a HP bump. According to Car and Driver, the car has increased downforce, better aerodynamics, adjustable dampers, adjustable trac control settings, launch control, and stickier tries vs. the previous GT 500. If the Camaro fanboys think that the new GT500 is just a HP bump. Then they will be sadly mistaken come this May, when the GT500 reaches dealerships.
The Ford engineering team really hit a home run with this new Coyote engine. And to pull extra ponies out of it to make it a 444hp 7500 RPM redline monster is amazing. And anyone who "doesn't like it because of the lack of ind. rear suspension" should go test drive one...if they'll let you.
I'll send you a video that every classic car owner should watch.
Whats the deal with the white circles on the steering wheel?
Road and track did the lap in 1:39 mins
SpyderRios yeah, I was surprised 1:41. In fact they lapped the regular Boss 302 at 1:40.2 which is faster than this supposed to be the better laguna seca
Yay finally the GT500s are really turnng out awesome as hell!!
Hopefully the winner of this competition is something with a 6-speed manual and rear wheel drive. IMO that's what a drivers car is
@AccordGTR Glad to. Static or spirited driving is fine for IRS but brake too hard & you're riding on the tire's edges. Accelerating WOT also puts it on the tire's edges. Then combine either w/ hard cornering & you've got a huge disadvantage over LRAs which keep the tires parallel to the pavement @ all Xs. Did I mention quick elevation changes within a turn while under hard braking/turning? Extra wide low profile tires narrow the contact patch even further in competitive race conditions.
@Greendude33: If IRS is such a big deal and such a deciding factor. Then why is it that the mustang GT is quicker than the SS around the willow springs and the VIR?? Why because it has a slightly better power to weight ratio. Now the new GT500 is gonna have a significant power to weight ratio advantage over the ZL1.
i love laguna seca, and the boss is one of the best bang for the buck and coolest cars i have ever seen. I'm a vette fan but i would take a boss over any vette but a z06 and zr1.
@ESPsandEmgs The Boss 302LS old news for Ford and is focusing on the next GT500. Since average Americans don't care about the Nurburgring, American car makers are slow to give it credence. It's the Holy Grail 2 car enthusiast around the world no doubt but how does it represent road courses or back roads in your 'neck of the woods'? If a Porsche or BMW is 'tuned' specifically for the 'Ring, what good is it in North America? Idk where you live but I want something tuned for my geographic area.
@acs4llc "heat and bend" is ghetto and can lead to metal fatigue. Adjusting rear toe affects on-the-limit braking characteristics, as well as corner entry, mid-corner and corner exit grip and handling balance, depending on set-up, track conditions and driving technique. LRA doesn't have adjust ability so u end up compromising. What may work in Laguna Seca may not work so well with other tracks or courses. With IRS you can tune easier but with LRA, you are limited. Also LRA tricky when wet
@1vdn992 But why didn't they just use the aluminium driveshaft then? Or maybe even a carbon driveshaft to reduce drivetrain momentum and stabilizes engine rotation at lower speeds therefore increasing drivetrain response. I really do like muscle cars but their inferiority around the track and on the road makes me hard to even consider them at all.
looks better too
top gear uk should roadtest a mustang from the 2012 line i bet that they would like it much much better than the 2007 line
Look, there are many factors that must be taken into consideration when looking at track times. For example that LRA in the back of the stang will actually help it out, sometimes it's just a matter of which driver it is, and sometimes conditions can come into play. You're right it is always gonna be mustang vs. camaro but as we all should know mustangs tend to beat out cars that cost up to twice it's own price (zl1 camaro does a good job too) and when that happens, it's just a publicity bonus.
why couldn't they get this guy as a Top Gear America presenter? He'd definitely be an improvement over having Rutledge or Adam
@OgleTorp You want to compare the engines of the 5.0 vs the 7.0?! What makes the 427 so potent is its torque over the 5.0 . Not sure if you have ever ridden sportbikes but the best comparison I can make is the Boss feels like 600 and the Zo6 feels like a 1000 sportbike.
Wow! Faster than the Cayman R! The Brits should totally review this car already.
now if ford can tune a GT500 properly and make it hook up, it can run some very scary lap times i bet
@akosiCoco It isn't available yet. Has not been approved by CARB unfortunately.
@Greendude33: You call increasing downforce, increasing aerodynamics, adding launch control, adding adjustable dampening with tra control settings minor???? The GT500 is not out yet. Whos to say they wont do anymore laps anywhere else?
@hahaha13822: This car is not meant to compete with 300 thousand dollar supercars. Its a 40k muscle car. Its meant to compete with the Camaros and the BMW M3. In which it has already beaten both.
I'd drive a classic big block just for the posi-traction and immense torque.
What engine, btw?
318 cu in (5.2 L) V8
400 cu in (6.6 L) V8
340 cu in (5.6 L) V8
440 cu in (7.2 L) V8
426 cu in (7.0 L) Hemi V8
383 cu in (6.3 L) V8
Depends on if you compare straight line power vs track prowess. The Boss 302 LC is a track car.
@MrUpgraydde They use sensors all over the car to measure specific parameters for this test. This is "Best Driver's Car" so everything they test is taken into account. On a side note, man that Ford V8 sounds good. A little different than that LS7 in the Vette but still beautiful.
wow... I'm normally a chevy guy or an import guy, but that mustang is one that I just have to get, it looks and sounds great
@foxstalker317 the 302 is a 4 seater the laguna seca package removes the back seats though. The base boss has 4 seats go test drive one.
When it rolled off the factory line in 1971 it had a stock Chrysler 318. When I bought the car in 1978, I replaced the 318 with a 1974 90º V-style block LA 360 (5.9ci) crate engine, which also run 340 heads. Since 1974 style 360's in came with 4-barrel carburetors, I upgraded the carburetor to a nicer, smoother flowing Edelbrock Performer Series 4-barrel carburetor. I have completely reworked the car inside and out, above and under. But that's just some on the engine.
I'm guessing Randy wasn't commenting on it as much like he normally does, otherwise there would be more footage of him? I really like Randy, he seems like a really neutral and fair driver.
@AccordGTR Actually you haven't mentioned how it's possible for mustangs to run w/ supercars despite not having their aerodynamics, center of gravity, balance, HP 2 weight and so forth. I only keep repeating the question cause I'm curious and value your expert opinion.
@1vdn992 Now list what position it finished in the drag race and at LS please.
@GavinSpenceR18 well, it would lose, because theyre not competitors. the response to the boss 302 will be the z28 (if they ever make it)
@1vdn992 the 302 isn't a four seater, they removed the back seat to save weight.
The reason I bought a 302 was because it has a limited slip differential, tuned suspension for the track and is naturally aspirated. The GT500 base model doesn't have the limited slip. Even then, I didn't want to spend 60k for either the GT500 or Stage 3 because time trials have already proven that the Boss 302 beats them on average. So, unless I'm going to drag the car, I didn't think it was the best fit for my purpose. Track/road racing. Not drag strip.
@acs4llc You cannot tune ur car for the whole track but u choose certain sections which will make up the most time. Eg, the most important corners generally are the ones before a long straight. The sooner u can get the power down out of these corners, the higher top speed you can achieve in the straight. Generally u cut more lap time in this fast section than trying to tune for low-speed sections. Each track is different and the only way you will find out is to test different set-up and lines
Gratz! I just bought the 2013 302 "standard." lol I wanted a back seat and to drive it daily.
@eddy2891 yeah, and itll be competing with the shelby 500. the competition for the boss 302 will come from the z28, if it ever exists. if they dont make it, the 302 will have its own class. the zl1 also wont be using the same suspension setup as the zr1. it will be using a very similar traction control system, which is probably what you saw
Yeah but that's also because the zl1 owner is pro chevy, he would probably mouth off to a ford gt owner though (even though his car would be truly iconic). The corvette is a production car that not too many people own that's why your comment is very debatable. Now the stang has been an extremely popular sports car for many years, it's just as well known as a vette, and you'll see more on the road.
Mustang vs Supercars, I like that motortrend put the Boss on a high pedestal
@Bahamuttiamat I agree . I would love to see the Mustang on other tracks. I am sure it would clock fast laptimes on most circuits. MOTOR TREND!! You guys have enough funds I presume. How about taking all the cars to the Nurburgring for similar tests? I think I speak for Bahamuttiamat and other viewers as well.
@Storm7289 You do realize that if the Corvette and Boss run a 20 lap race around LS the Corvette will be lapping the Boss before the race is over based on the lap times. The Boss times will also fall off quickly due to the skinny tires building excessive air pressure and brake fade.
@1vdn992 Good track and road car, hard to say because many rarely offers the best of both. If I have to pick from the contenders, I'll choose the LFA. I've not driven the car or so, but after going through many reviews from here and there, many seem to say that the LFA has good balance and handling prowess. And the suspension can properly deal with the curves and bumps. And most importantly, the engine is extremely accessible.
Damn looks like the TH-cam experts are striking again lmao
Great lap race! :D
@Greendude33: One thing I can tell you. Its really interesting comparing the ZL1 ring lap with the CTSV. ZL1 = 580HP/4100lbs of weight, CTSV 556HP4200lbs . And the ZL1 is a whopping 18 secs faster. Just looking at that comparison right there really does show that Ford have a tough fight on their hands. They may just have to suck it up and bring back the cobra mustangs, since they actually had IRS. But we will see. Things will be interesting when MT get their hands on the cars.
Not a huge Ford fan, but well done Ford, well done!
@xabipp The Laguna seca is a collectors car, not many of them were made therefore, it is more expensive.
Yes and I have # 171 of 750
@luimarco what are you talking about? a Z06 starts at $74k, if your talking about a base corvette that starts at $49k thats not a Z06. The laguna seca outperforms the base model, is more affordable, and has the better fuel economy.
@SneekySnakeOO how did this car stomp both porsches when the GT3 RS ran a laptime of 1:36.7
Which is faster? GT500 Super Snake or Boos? ?????
@luimarco
Laguna Seca Edition is tested to 416 rwhp and almost 480 bhp. Numbers are higher than actually Ford claimed. Few owners of Boss 302 claimed under 400 rwhp.