This is a great example of the difference between using Pan and Mayday. What started as a small problem quickly became something far more serious, and so the pilots upgraded from a pan to a mayday to make the controllers aware.
@R L T it wouldn't have had the same result. A pan is a fairly regular occurrence, mayday's are thankfully rare and are treated a lot more seriously, eg. Full emergency at airport vs local standby
@@EmotionalWeather Then what would he know about the correct use of ICAO-mandated and FAA-preferred radio terminology? Clearly more than you, as he is 100% correct. Maybe you should open the FARs once in a while, or get someone to explain them to you if your literacy is inadequate?
FYI, the same thing happened with another A319 yesterday: UA442 was turned around en route from DEN to LGA, as the latter's runway would have been too short for a safe landing. Not sure which of the three systems failed, but only half of the brake flaps were extended when the plane landed at DEN.
I can remember as an air stewardess back in the early 80s over Portugal from England on a return Faro our hydraulics failed... walking onto the flight deck seeing the hydraulics red light on as we were warned an emergency declared the pilots saying dont worry we have a back up system which then immediately also started flashing red lol....but we made it and because of the delayed return even managed to get a couple of superb bottles of wine from the shops in duty free....those were the days 😅
This was the Piedmont plane, I take it. I saw the Allegheny one at the gate when I traveled through Charlotte last November. Those throwback paint liveries are so cool! I saw the PSA one several years back when they were still USAir.
Yeah that irked me. Not only was the “mayday” critical information that is worthy of an acknowledgment but so was the request for the longest runway. He could have at a minimum said “copy your ‘mayday’ and need the longest runway”
@@rleon8339 Yes it is.... Other aircraft want to know what is happening in their airspace as it may effect their flight......delay .....fuel status.. Poor airmanship indeed.
Controllers talk to each other also. If they're changing emergency plane, they inform each other beforehand. Can't post link as I'm not gonna search for it again, but I heard different mayday plane (small one, single person, he had some problem with the stick they fly with), plane did mayday call, controller told him to change to different one, pilot did not answer for a long time after that, so they had no idea if he even changed it, therefore they had to say same info on both channels. I think the issue was just not turning it on properly after changing seats, but it is perfect example that they talk to each other. So it is said just in case, not to inform them.
Three systems: Blue Green Yellow. You need at least one to keep the jet in the air. When I’m working if I even get a blip in one of the 3 we are landing.
Sometimes you have to change the altitude before you can change a heading. The reenactment didn't show any surrounding traffic that could have been a factor.
Let’s be honest, it’s amusing trolling from her. In fact she’s been missing from a few of these videos and I was mildly concerned, like being worried because you haven’t seen your neighbour for a few days!
@@EmotionalWeather - are you new here? So many commenters are trolls and accuse others of being arm chair pilots, flight simmers, etc. They usually don’t provide any information themselves, just tell you that you’re wrong for no apparent reason.
It's mostly souls because it's about living humans. Souls clearly describes living humans onboard, unlike for example bodies or humans or passengers which can be interpreted to mean something different
something pilots should know: airlines don't care so much about your checklists - they're more interested in whether or not the airplane crashes or not!!! - if the hydraulics fail, that means land the plane asap. don't doddle.
KANE You obviously know nothing about airlines.... Check lists are there to make non normal flying safer... Hydraulic failure may result in a longer landing distance. .. There are check list for that ?? Which runway. You are obviously not a professional pilot. ..and never will be. ..... True????
The checklists are there to make the flying safer, especially in an emergency, which is one reason there are always at least two pilots (and hopefully, always will be). The checklists are designed with priorities in mind - the most important things are covered early on, and provide instruction on what to do in pretty much any conceivable event. If there was a step early on in that checklist that indicated that the problem was getting worse rather than remaining stable, then the checklist would just tell the pilots to go direct to the nearest safe landing area. Without these checklists, the pilots might inadvertently do something while flying that could make the plane unrecoverable - taking a turn too sharp, descending or ascending too steeply, flying to fast or slow, etc. with hydraulic failure, they were probably in level straight flight while they tested and tried to reset flight control and other vital systems before attempting to land or enter a populated area. There's no way a human could memorize all of that information, and there's still too much potential for a computer to either not realize there's an issue or to misidentify the root cause. The use of checklists in any complex process is widely adopted across multiple industries and leads to universally better outcomes.
That 21,0000 souls on board is mostly American's famous economy section. Thank you, I'll be here all week.
You weren't piloting any aircraft in an emergency and you got the number wrong yourself. 🙂
210000???
@@byteme9718 Yup. At about 4:30. Pilot says "21000 souls on board - and, I'm sorry, 21000 pounds of fuel, that's 210 minutes, and 73 souls on board."
Be good to your bartender and servers.
This is a great example of the difference between using Pan and Mayday. What started as a small problem quickly became something far more serious, and so the pilots upgraded from a pan to a mayday to make the controllers aware.
LOL....they could have said emergency with the same result. Keep thinking up those problems where none exist. Well done.
@R L T it wouldn't have had the same result. A pan is a fairly regular occurrence, mayday's are thankfully rare and are treated a lot more seriously, eg. Full emergency at airport vs local standby
@@sirdrumalot1 Don‘t engage him, he‘s just a troll with no piloting experience.
@@EmotionalWeather Then what would he know about the correct use of ICAO-mandated and FAA-preferred radio terminology?
Clearly more than you, as he is 100% correct. Maybe you should open the FARs once in a while, or get someone to explain them to you if your literacy is inadequate?
@@phillee2814, I'm curios, which 121 international carrier do you work at?
Well handled! But if you have 21000 souls on board, you might have bigger problems than your hydraulic system
Professionals, all of them. Nicely handled.
21.000 souls on board would be a interesting record :D
That will be the capacity of the Super Heavy Starship in a few years.
We are the HMS Titanic!
Talk about overbooking!😂
@@mike6340 that's RMS, HMS is navy
😂
I was working the ramp at dulles that night. Was wondering what happened to that american jet
FYI, the same thing happened with another A319 yesterday: UA442 was turned around en route from DEN to LGA, as the latter's runway would have been too short for a safe landing. Not sure which of the three systems failed, but only half of the brake flaps were extended when the plane landed at DEN.
I can remember as an air stewardess back in the early 80s over Portugal from England on a return Faro our hydraulics failed... walking onto the flight deck seeing the hydraulics red light on as we were warned an emergency declared the pilots saying dont worry we have a back up system which then immediately also started flashing red lol....but we made it and because of the delayed return even managed to get a couple of superb bottles of wine from the shops in duty free....those were the days 😅
Cool story. Thanks for sharing! :)
...and 2 days later was ferried to Amarillo (AMA) from Dallas (DFW) to be painted into AA colors. Thought I include that in the description lol.
Boo, I love the heritage liveries. Hopefully they paint another one in Piedmont colors.
@@327Erich there are rumors of those liveries to go on A321s..
I hope they change it back, or add it onto another plane. I love the heritage liveries, especially Piedmont.
21 000 souls on board!? That's some plane! 😂
It made me laugh too. But the pilots were in a stressful situation...
@@Ztbmrc1 I totally get it, I'm a pilot too. We pilots laugh at ourselves all the time.
This was the Piedmont plane, I take it. I saw the Allegheny one at the gate when I traveled through Charlotte last November. Those throwback paint liveries are so cool! I saw the PSA one several years back when they were still USAir.
GOOD JOB EVERYONE
21000 souls on board
ATC: roger Ryanair 188 flying the A380
lmfao thats great
Could the captain have maintained his composure any better?
They all almost usually do. They know the airplane will fly and they know what to do.
I didn't hear a repeat of the Mayday when changing controllers.
Yeah that irked me. Not only was the “mayday” critical information that is worthy of an acknowledgment but so was the request for the longest runway. He could have at a minimum said “copy your ‘mayday’ and need the longest runway”
Not necessary. Each controller they were handed off to is in the loop and aware of the emergency.
@@rleon8339 They're supposed to be. But it hasn't always happened.
@@rleon8339 Yes it is....
Other aircraft want to know what is happening in their airspace as it may effect their flight......delay .....fuel status..
Poor airmanship indeed.
Controllers talk to each other also. If they're changing emergency plane, they inform each other beforehand.
Can't post link as I'm not gonna search for it again, but I heard different mayday plane (small one, single person, he had some problem with the stick they fly with), plane did mayday call, controller told him to change to different one, pilot did not answer for a long time after that, so they had no idea if he even changed it, therefore they had to say same info on both channels. I think the issue was just not turning it on properly after changing seats, but it is perfect example that they talk to each other.
So it is said just in case, not to inform them.
The old "Speedbird". Piedmont.
Pilots are Studs in this instance... Calm under pressure.
How serious is a hydraulics system failure in the a320 family? I’m pretty sure they have backups. Any insight?
Three systems: Blue Green Yellow. You need at least one to keep the jet in the air. When I’m working if I even get a blip in one of the 3 we are landing.
@@haljetdvr and then there's the RAT.
This controller was not very bright. PAN pilot asked for a header and the controller gave him an altitude.
Sometimes you have to change the altitude before you can change a heading. The reenactment didn't show any surrounding traffic that could have been a factor.
I thought they weren't supposed to say "to" (because it can be confused with "two")
At this point who even knows anymore
In what context?
north America has a lot of none standard language its pretty normal here you get used to it
@@crispy-qx5oi it seems worse in the northeast. Lots of sloppy language from controllers on these recordings.
They could have just as easily gone on to Richmond.
21,000 souls on board. Believe all Pilots! LOL
Glad it all worked out so smoothly for them, given the situation
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@You can see ATC Could you ban this human waste R L T?
No, we love RLT.
Let’s be honest, it’s amusing trolling from her. In fact she’s been missing from a few of these videos and I was mildly concerned, like being worried because you haven’t seen your neighbour for a few days!
@@EdOeuna It's kind of annoying for every comment to be spammed by useless garbage.
@@EmotionalWeather - are you new here? So many commenters are trolls and accuse others of being arm chair pilots, flight simmers, etc. They usually don’t provide any information themselves, just tell you that you’re wrong for no apparent reason.
WOW 5 MINUTES AGO
Why is it "souls" and not "passengers"?
Because “passengers” can be ambiguous whether it includes the flight crew and flight attendants.
Right. Souls can’t be mistaken for anything other than every human being on the plane.
Support peacocks don't count.
It's mostly souls because it's about living humans. Souls clearly describes living humans onboard, unlike for example bodies or humans or passengers which can be interpreted to mean something different
As on ships...SOS...."Save our Souls"...number of living people on board
Something must have caused that hydraulic system to fail?
😂😂😛😛👈👈
Ya, think?
Often it's due to a broken part.
@@YayComity this is often the cause of many mechanical failures! 😮
you think?
Another Airbust with mechanical issues. Shocking.
I'm a Boeing guy, but this type of thing happens on all makes, at some point.
Yeah because Blowings never break.
something pilots should know: airlines don't care so much about your checklists - they're more interested in whether or not the airplane crashes or not!!! - if the hydraulics fail, that means land the plane asap. don't doddle.
KANE
You obviously know nothing about airlines....
Check lists are there to make non normal flying safer...
Hydraulic failure may result in a longer landing distance. ..
There are check list for that ??
Which runway.
You are obviously not a professional pilot. ..and never will be. .....
True????
The checklists are there to make the flying safer, especially in an emergency, which is one reason there are always at least two pilots (and hopefully, always will be). The checklists are designed with priorities in mind - the most important things are covered early on, and provide instruction on what to do in pretty much any conceivable event. If there was a step early on in that checklist that indicated that the problem was getting worse rather than remaining stable, then the checklist would just tell the pilots to go direct to the nearest safe landing area. Without these checklists, the pilots might inadvertently do something while flying that could make the plane unrecoverable - taking a turn too sharp, descending or ascending too steeply, flying to fast or slow, etc. with hydraulic failure, they were probably in level straight flight while they tested and tried to reset flight control and other vital systems before attempting to land or enter a populated area. There's no way a human could memorize all of that information, and there's still too much potential for a computer to either not realize there's an issue or to misidentify the root cause. The use of checklists in any complex process is widely adopted across multiple industries and leads to universally better outcomes.
Your lazy boy type rating does not make you an expert.
Dude, learn about checklists. They are there to help pilots handle emergencies.
A 737 max too had hydraulic failures 2 weeks ago.
Uh oh...a conspiracy.