Fr this is an agreement between employee and employer. You are not renting me as a slave for 8 hours, we made a deal and I am upholding my end of the bargin. I mean imagine the reverse scenario, would you get mad at a business for giving you exactly what you ordered and nothing more? They would happily tell you "If you want more pay for it!". Well we are telling our employers the same exact thing, that's not lazy that's equality. We aren't entitled to free money, and you aren't entitled to free labor.
I'd like to add the fact that the norm is employers expecting more than what they paid for really shows who holds the cards quite clearly in corporate America.
This is why companies need to have a structure that rewards high performance with promotions, raises, and bonuses. Many companies say you can "grow with the company" but the only "growth" you see is a growth in responsibilities for the same pay.
You know how you reward workers for doing a good job? By having them own and control the means of production, instead of a leech. Labor is entitled to all it creates.
Companies and media really dislike the idea of quiet quitting even though it really just means for us to do our job and not above and beyond. Life is already tough these days, we gave up trying to compete against each other to “earn” a better life and instead just want peace and happiness, yet this is becoming a luxury…
Why call it quiet quitting then? The media is mad because either 1.) You're neglecting duties. 2.) You're calling doing your job "quitting". It seems like, from an outside perspective, that the goal is to do as little as possible until your boss notices and fires you - while operating under the guise of "just doing your job" - and is a classic case of political "hide the ball", or if we're being charitable a REALLY irrelevant sensationalized topic.
One other thing that doesn't get discussed enough: the *assumption* of ambition. We live in a society that requires work to survive, but we *assume* that people want to advance, get promoted, get additional rewards, etc as a result of that work. That's not always the case. Some people want to do enough work to survive at a reasonable level, and that's it. But it's not talked about, because how do you engage an employee that perceives engagement with one's job as fundamentally counterproductive to enjoying life?
^^^ this!! I don’t want to be a director or manager and don’t see myself wanting to be that even 10-20 years from now. It’s not that I don’t like working in my field, but I don’t want that to be my entire life either
exactly. no one wants to work. If people wanted to work, people would never retire or use vacation days or go home after 8 hours. They would just keep working because it's enjoyable to them. Like if I offered someone the same wage to do absolutely nothing or to do their normal shifts, they would choose not to work because working is a less appealing option. We work because we need the income to fuel our lifestyles. The money we earn goes towards things we actually want like food, clothing, shelter, hobbies, etc.
@@opliko Is survival a human right though? I mean sure I agree that people shouldn't randomly kill each other, but if someone isn't going to farm or labor in some other way for their food, I don't see how it's anyone else's responsibility to prevent them from starving themselves
Quiet quitting is a misleading term, "Act your wage" is a better one. Also, it usually is more likely to get better job opportunities if you're willing to do job hopping
It's almost *always* better to job hop than to stay and hope the raise is big enough. Nearly all companies, since the early 2000s started explicitly planning their employment schemes for an average tenure of 2 years for *most* non-executive employees. You should start looking at 2.5. If you have to move with the new job, when you go to apply for loans for a house, or for background checks for a new rental, or if you need a new car, etc; 2 is the magic number. 2 years of continuous employment in general, _and_ 2 years in your current role *OR* 2 years in the previous role if you got a promotion/elevated role withing the past 6 months or less. Internships may count if they are not summer-only--YMMV.
Bruh, that’s my job right now. My family doesn’t consistently get paid to yell at me on a daily basis (I unload trucks, they yell at each and every one of us to promote efficiency - to make us go faster). Edit: everyone one -> every one
I've been quietly quitting for the past 3-4 months. We just had our Global Quarterly All Hands Meeting this past Friday and one of the issues that came up was burnout in our role and the near 20% turnover rate per year these past 2 years (Our department has roughly 500 people) Despite failing to even meet inflation with wage increases the past 2 years, they still don't see wages as the issue. They replace very senior/experienced people with newer people from low-cost regions like India and Singapore. It's by design. I will continue milking my company for what they're worth and do the bare minimum because they compensate me with less than the bare minimum.
My attitude is, "you're putting the bare minimum into me. So I'm putting the bare minimum into you. If you want extra mile work out of me, put extra mile compensation and benefits into me."
Arent you working in the same company as I do? You've seriously just described perfectly the situation in our company as well with the all hands meeting wtf. Loc company?
My company's motto is "willingness to do more" and that's such a bs to not compensate workers properly. Do your best, finish your assigned tasks, those should be enough without companies gaslighting us to feel bad for not being extraordinarily productive. We can be more productive but we want to pursue our hobbies, too. Edit. I love the "willingness to pay more" idea haha
Exactly, when wages are stagnant, they have ZERO fricken right to be expecting anything extra. If employers were offering competitive wages at least - then I can see the justification. But they can't even do that right.
Data shows that people that do 10% more work end up making 40% more money. They get the raises and the promotions, and are the ones that get recruited away to better positions at other companies.
the antiwork movement doesn't like the phrasing of "quiet quitting", it's corporate lingo, because it implies DOING THE JOB YOU'RE PAID TO DO is "quitting" just because you're not going above and beyond to make your company even more money.
THANK YOU! I was hoping there would be at least one person who would say this! It's just a term invented by corporations to guilt trip their employees for not overachieving and just doing what their job description asks of them. Not to mention it's a way to victim blame workers who have to put up with insufferable work culture.
"And other duties as designated" My employer pays for my time as a salaried employee. I don't work every hour of every day that I'm contracted to, yet I'm compensated for it. When they need something else, if it's within my hours I'm happy to help as my contract states. My employer and I have a good reciprocal relationship. I feel like so many people that are jaded here are likely deflecting or need to improve their skillset to be able to reach more meaningful and mutually beneficial labor.
@@ClimbAndTeach good for you, not everyone is a on salary though. Again: do what you're paid for and no more. It's funny that you mention "skillsets" and "deflecting" instead of acknowledging the simple fact that people aren't fairly compensated when they go the extra mile for their employers thr majority of the time. It feels like you missed the point of the video too, particularly when it was mentioned that people are quiet quitting BECAUSE they feel like their extra work gets no reward.
@@user-ts8fj5kj2z I grant your point that people are sometimes, even often, uncompensated for additional duties. What I circle back to, is this entire comment sections completely ignoring the times they're not working and ARE compensated. Many office jobs compensate a salary for 8 hours of work - But the majority of people only work between 30-80% of that time. I feel like the logical conclusion of this thinking would be "I will do no work that is not directly outlined" would also result in employers saying " I will compensate you for no time that you're not directly productive".
@@ClimbAndTeach Not everyone is as lucky as you. Not everyone is justly compensated. And if companies aren't going to pay their workers justly, they will quickly find workers that do the bare-minimum. And if they still don't pay the workers appropriately, they'll just quit. Then your business gets shut down. That's already happened at two of my previous jobs. "I will compensate you for no time that you're not directly productive." Why should I get paid less if I can do the same job in two hours that someone else can do in 8? Why am I getting paid less for having more skill? That's some backwards-ass logic.
@@ClimbAndTeach I'm speaking as someone who worked as a wage worker. Not a salaried employee. During the in-between period of my undergrad (first year of covid)I worked as a bookkeeper, I had to do things that were completely out of my job description and in completely different departments for no compensation for my extra work. Your comment is pointed at someone that won't directly relate to your argument or be affected by it really. But if we're talking about time that people work, let's address the fact that worker productivity has consistently gone up and wages have stagnated, resulting in an already unfair compensation.
I have worked in the grocery store business for 15 years , started when i was 18. I decided to quit before november. I'm beyond burnt out and ive held off on this decision to see if things get better as i voice the concerns of the people in the store. What happens is they ignore the issues and pile more work onto the few who are left. On top of blaming the workers for things out of our control and overall just killing store morale. I have begged them to just treat us like humans ( not to mention the customers have gotten a lot worse as well). So this video being posted today just reinforces my plan to quit and just helps me to realize im making the right choice for my own health.
@@njerseydavid It's actually amazing to me to think about that. I've noticed 85% of the customers and almost every manager treats the workers like they are less than human. We are invisible in most peoples eyes. It creates such a low morale work environment where everyone is just miserable daily and that ends up leaking outside of the workplace. Maybe there are grocery stores out there that aren't so toxic but i have yet to see or hear of one. Good luck to anyone in the grocery store business or retail in general. I'm glad i decided to get out.
I'm a software developer, currently senior full stack. How to get me to not quit my job: pay me more (what I'm owed) How to get me to quit my job: don't even bother matching inflation, use bullshit "teambuilding" exercises, spend money on "amenities" instead of my salary, focus on "productivity" Reasons why I have changed jobs in the past: they paid me significantly more than what I was paid in the place I left. Reasons why I stayed at the current company: they matched the offer I had that would have gotten me to quit, and I get to stay in a place that I kinda like with coworkers I like. IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
There's one thing you really messed up on. You accepted a counter offer matching your offer from the company you were wanting to change to. Never accept a counter offer and stay at that company.
@@The_MarTyNi the idea is that now that they know you want to change jobs and you're "unreliable" now, they will be looking to get you replaced asap. Therefore you'll lose both your current job and the offer you got. Though, if the reasons were purely monetary, I wouldn't be surprised if some employers understood that marching the offer might be just enough for afew more years.
Main reasons for me “quiet quitting” 1. Putting in 110% for leadership that barely puts in 50%(but it paid 2-3x what you do) 2. Promotions going to people that were more buddy-buddy with leadership and not that people who worked hard.(if you can’t banter about old 80s movies and music with the older millennials and gen-x staff, don’t expect a promotion anytime soon) 3. Existing pay not keeping up with cost of living. For me, I fought to get my promotion and save almost $50k only still be rejected from apartments without a co-signer. In order for me to focus on getting a job that’s with a union or pays better, I’ve had to mentally checkout of my current job. It’s sucks cause I know my team can tell and my assistant can also tell but it’s the only way I can keep my sanity at this point.
Promoting people that works hard is counterproductive, why ascending the productive worker? you will lose that productivity, you instead promote the worker that you can trust because you know on a personal level. That is just natural.
@@diablo.the.cheater all while they tell you and society tells you to work hard to get ahead. It's naturall also to realize that doesn't work and stop trying as much
Nah. You do the best you can at your job for yourself. So you can be proud of the work you've performed for the day. I bet you wouldn't feel nearly as unsatisfied of your life if you did so. And, even if you still did so, then you would have something to be proud about while you look for a better job.
This is where I am at. Setting hard boundaries and it is resulting in butthurt coworkers and management that rely on me going above and beyond, stopping what I am doing to help them because their technical literacy is falling after they have gotten used to having me around. Oh and used up all my PTO as I was in the hospital for covid so I cannot afford to take time off.
I strongly prefer the term "acting your wage". For one, it's a pun, which I love, and for two, it's more accurate than "quiet quitting". To me, quiet quitting sounds like walking out and going no contact with an employer. The usage of the word "quitting" in the phrase is very misleading, as you are still employed.
I have been working in various corporations for 15 years and would like to advise the young people here this: - working overtime and beyond is in most cases rewarded with additional work - you are an expense for the company and the stakeholders, which must be kept as low as possible - leave loyalty in 1960...today's world is different and try to work for your salary - look for a new job every 2-3 years as that is the only way to guarantee a better salary above 20%+ - coworkers are in it for the money and will do anything to get better, so be careful what you say when drunk or at lunch
Yes, not enough to go above and beyond 3x. Must be the boss's buddy, know the secret handshake. That means, your politics and your social background must match.
My whole thing with quiet quitting is that my job basically pushed me into a position where I feel comfortable doing that. In 2020, I was handling customer relations for the startup I work at, before getting sick with a chronic illness. They then hired me an assistant to help me with my job and then a few months later had him take over my duty, putting me in another department (after declining an offer to resign and quit for two months salary) where I do glorified data entry. So, naturally, I went from actually trying at my job to doing the bare minimum, completing my job within 4 or so hours everyday, and then getting to work on personal projects/be mindful of my health for the rest of the workday since I work remotely and now have no reason to seek extra work. Why would I sacrifice that when my job themselves were so willing to offer me a severance package when I was extremely sick *and* still completing most of my work to the same standard as before? I'm more than happy to do my simple tasks everyday and collect my salary and see no reason to do more than that because I've been witness to the fact that, when I physically break down from doing too much for my body to handle, I'll be shown the door. I remember hearing a quote somewhere that likened workers to machines (something we know every employer does internally). You *can* make a machine work at or about 100% efficiency (overclocking, etc) but you're going to absolutely burn through that machines effectiveness, so most people instead allow machines to work at 60-70% effectiveness so that they don't breakdown. And like, no shit it's the same thing with people
^This: "Hey neat, my company cares about me and got me an assistant, but in reaIity I was assisting in training my replacement." It doesn't matter what the true intent behind hiring an assistant was. A situation like that breeds resentment.
@@HeyNaviHey Just wanted to point out how snide your comment sounds and how that was unwarranted and unappreciated. While you aren't necessarily wrong, the last thing on my mind while I was/continue to be sick with an infectious disease was whether or not my company was being "neat" as you liked to put it. Not to mention there are protections in place that are designed to prevent companies from doing just that, though I'm actually happier in my position now because I'm collecting as much money as I was last year (more thanks to an annual raise actually) while doing half the work.
@@NichePlays Sorry if you feel that way. It was more a generalization of the issue, and in no way intended to reflect your personal views of your company or situation. I don't know you and I got better things to do, than dreaming up your beliefs and personality. Good for you, that everything worked out in the end.
Had something similar happen to me at a job I was with for years. Ended getting put in one department, had to take off a few months because of my health, but when I returned I was just scolded constantly for "not performing" or literally just because my manager could get on my case without any repercussions. Ended up just quitting, no two weeks bullshit. I just walked off because I was sick of it. I came back to work, only get get more responsibilities and then when I am overwhelmed and ask for help, I get denied. I'm sick of being treated like a god damn dog.
@@JoshuaGraves113 I had to have a surgery due to physically being overworked and an underlying issue being pushed to a point of needing surgery. Job physician recommended 6-8 weeks of rest, surgeon 6 weeks then build up, work planned me in again after 3 weeks but on a theraputic basis with only the things I can do. Thus 6-day shifts, even asked for a full week since I only work the rush, less hours but also roughest hours. Since day two they've been pressuring me to ignore doctor's advice, calling me precious and how others recover way quicker. And my colleagues all saw me as the reason they're overworked and I went to the team's punching bag upon my return. We're now 7 weeks in and even though I can do a full task within the team, there's one task I can't... guess what they try to assign me near daily because 'others don't like doing it' which obviously thrumps 'unable to do it, attempting causes a lot of physical pain.' And argueing it daily is becoming harder and harder and I'll admit I fail occasionally, so now my job physician has given me a warning I'm not aiding my recovery... due to what work makes me do. Meanwhile all my hobbies are on pause, even cooking and cleaning is a bare minimum, I do my exercises as told, because I do care about my recovery. But at work I slowly cave to the bullying... Guess it's soon time to slowly orientate myself towards a different job, even if my options are limited (disabilities) and I love this job and it's practically next to where I live.
I love what he said about how in certain circumstances going the extra mile actually enables others to do less. I've been caught in this situation a lot in group projects where people quicly became reliant on me instead of either doing the same amount of work they would normally do or matching my level of effort and involvment to reach better, more interesting results. It was incredibly frustrating until I realized that I was the one responsible for this situation, and that because of miscommunications I wrongfully assumed that people understood that me working more is me doing more IN MY PART OF THE PROJECT, not doing more of THE PROJECT. It took me 22 years to realize this. Other thing I realized is that just because I'm enthousiast about reaching better results, it does not mean others have to be as well, and it's not a crime if they choose to cut corners and to be a bit less engaged (up to a certain point of course).
i used to work with kids and it really sucked because it was the /kids/ who motivated me to go the extra mile. i was responsible for them for such a big chunk of their day so i wanted to make it a very enriching and safe space. it just stinks that with jobs that involve caring like that i feel employers know you'll try even if they don't pay you well. the intrinsic reward of making a difference is so fulfilling but people in those jobs need to pay bills and take vacations too.
That's why I told my sis that the trick to happiness in my book is picking a job you like but hate just enough that free overtime doesn't become an issue.
That's why nurses, teachers and other positions that requires care taking are underpaid. They're in an industry that nobody would pick if they didn't care about other people's well being, and employers know that.
Please don't cut out the silence moments, part of the things that I value about your teachings is that you advocate for slowing things down in a world that tries to speed everything up.
When you go above and beyond most of the time it goes completely un noticed and unappreciated so it’s best to give the bare minimum, sometimes even less than the bare minimum
"Quiet quitting" is just doing what you have been hired to do. If you want me to do more, pay me more, it's that simple. Hard work only pays off if you're REALLY committed into doing something or you're like a business owner.
I dislike the widespread adoption of the term quiet quitting. It seems to me that this is just an excuse for companies and executives to accuse an individual who is establishing boundaries and a healthy work life balance of "quiet quitting". Adopting the term is a tacit agreement by society that "quiet quitting" IS quitting.
Agreed, I shouldn't be kicked out of the company social group. Because, I have boundaries and can't be here all of the time. "You never hang out with us anymore". I never wanted too, while I wanted to be friends with everyone there. I'm not going to let my mangers abuse my kindness because they don't have any one else to rely on. So they'd call me in...but just couldn't do it.
I've been "quiet quitting" for my entire career. It was mandatory in retail (because my corporate overlord didn't want to pay overtime wages) and my current corporate overlord for whom I do IT work used to call it "work/life balance". Quiet quitting (AKA doing your job) has never held me back professionally, and I wouldn't want to work for any employer that looks at it as a negative thing.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 I almost never did overtime in my factory job. While it didn't win me any brownie points, everyone knew I did my job and did it well, so there were no real complaints anyway.
Wow, super point. Quiet Quitting is Work Life Balance, which companies used to promote and now ignore preferring cheap slave laborers. I brought a buddy into the company and he was ecstatic, until he got shanghaied into another team and dumped on with work way above his pay grade and overtime and massive travel. He managed to get promoted to the appropriate level and I am now trying to get him to "Quiet Quit". He is hesitant over the stigma the term implies. I will get with him tomorrow and pitch your concept that it is just Work Life Balance. THANK YOU MUCH!!!
As an employee, why should we care to do more than minimum requirement if companies don't even give a crap about us? This works both way. Why would a company expect their employees to do more if they don't even care about their employees? Most companies just see employees as dispensable tools. So in that sense, why would an employee do more than they're asked to do? That's like saying you have already gotten an A on a test and your teacher is asking you to get 110 when it barely makes any difference on your overall grade. No companies in this world is worth you giving your time instead of spending them with your family and friends and go above and beyond. People need to understand that companies don't pay you based on how hard you work, but they pay you based on how hard it's to replace you. In that sense, it doesn't make sense to work hard and do more than asked to do. Nobody wants to stay late at their work when they're supposed to go home on time. Employees don't get paid enough for that kind of crap treatment to stay late and go above and beyond. If anything, we should be getting 4 days work per week for around 35 hours. That's what they're doing in EU countries, and it shows productivity to be higher and people tend to be happier because they're not being overworked. This whole overworking people is a very toxic environment, and it's what lead to people quitting in the long term. "Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look upon them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death." - Sun Tzu
Why is your "flip side" just the exact same view? It should be "Why would companies pay you more or advance you for refusing to go above and beyond?" I think there is a complete lack of respect for business owners anymore, and if we are wanting to be treated like family then we should probably treat them like family as well. This doesn't justify the bad actions of big business, but I feel like peoples brains just shut off when it comes to thinking about this from both sides. As someone who has management experience and run my own business as well as been the common worker, the average worker has absolutely no idea of what goes into running a business.
@@Puzzlesocks Because companies by default don't give a rat ass about their employees. If you were dead tomorrow, companies would just hire another dude and replace you and nobody would give a crap if you're dead the next day. They'll just say what's expected of them to say on the surface and move on. It's not genuine and fake as hell, and people can tell because it's very obvious. That's why for what employees do, we should never work hard but work smart. Companies don't pay people based on how hard they work but they pay people based on how hard it's to replace you. If you're someone that they can't afford to replace, they'll always offer you way more just to keep you. This happens a lot in big companies, especially places such as Uber, Spotify, etc. And they don't do this because they want to, but because they just can't find a replacement to replace you yet. If you take a counter offer and stay when you were planning on changing job, you should never take the counter-offer since they're looking for someone to replace you because they know you're planning on quitting. The difference is that when companies actually start treating their employees as a human being, you'll notice the change and they actually won't mind to work more hours for your company. It's often not about the money but it's about how you treat them and show care for them as a human being. And when you do it, it has to be genuine, as in you actually care about them and not some faking crap just to get them to work more. If you don't even give a rat ass about them, why should they give a rat ass about you or the company? That's how relationship works with anyone. I literally ran into a situation where the CEO was staying late and one of the employees left on time because it was time to go home, and the CEO asked her why was she leaving if CEO was still staying. She said the most logical thing ever, and she said to him, "Are you going to pay me the same as what you're getting to stay late after hours? If you're not willing to do that, then why should I stay late with you?" If you work for a company that respect their employees' time, you're supposed to be there on time and leave on time. Anything more than that is unreasonable because upper people are just greedy and want to take advantages of their employees and overwork them. I don't deal with that kind of toxic environment with my job, and I had to move jobs to jobs to be in a work culture where people don't give a crap about what we do because everyone know we get shit done when it's needed. My point is that, when you as the CEO actually decides to visit an employee's home when they're sick or gotten into an accident, then that employee will start to give you the extra mile to help you with more things that's not part of their job. At the end of the day, they're people too with emotions and needs. They are not robots that just work until they're dead and you can just brush it off with some dirty money. When you can realize that, that's where you'll gain something money can never buy, and it's called loyalty. There's a famous person named Guan Yu from the Three Kingdoms era (222 AD - 280 AD). He was someone that existed in real life at the time. Even until this day, people still pray to his statues and his legacy lives on. People don't pray to him because of his accomplishment of what he did in war or battle, but they pray to him for one reason only, and it's because of his loyalty to his commander called Liu Bei. Liu Bei wouldn't haven been successful either if it weren't for his military general Guan Yu. It's because Liu Bei treated him as his own blood brother that made Guan Yu treated him the same way. And loyalty is something you can never buy with money, at least the real and genuine kind where they don't ask for anything in return. Hence, why I mentioned that quote from The Art of War by Sun Tzu because it's still true today. If you treat your soldiers as if they were your own son, they'll follow you until the end of world.
@@duskshadow25 Holy shit the wall of text that just assumes all business owners are evil and heartless but ends up saying the same thing I did. Respect goes both ways, assuming all businesses are intentionally treating you shitty with no perspective of what shitty treatment actually is just lands you in the land of the ignorant. I've worked for many small businesses, and on bad weeks I've actually earned more than the boss. It's not good standard practice to assume ill will and therefore forget about ever respecting your boss because that's just going to lead to never having that mutual respect. The respect has to start somewhere, be the better person. If it's never returned then find a better job where it is, or start your own company with that as a primary value. edit: my whole point on this is basically that people are acting like children expecting bosses to be loving parents that handle all the scheduling, hiring, money management, regulations and maintain this love and respect on a personal level for every worker. It's just unfeasible and people need to grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for their own actions and how they respond within context.
I will also note that I am heavily for more fragmented markets where we have less of these corporate giants with millions of workers where even the slightest possibility of a personal relationship is fantasy. Laissez Faire markets just mean the biggest fish in the pond get even bigger and class mobility suffers because you can't compete on the razor thin margins they can sustain.
@@Puzzlesocks The tables are slowly turning. The first thing that I let my business partners know is that I will be working with them, not for them. No corporate micromanaging BS involved whatsoever. I have my family at home, and I go to work to make money. Simple.
My advice to younger people entering corporate workforce... Or any workforce honestly... Is think of yourself as a mercenary. You aren't part of a corporate family, you aren't there to devote your life to a business, you're there to provide skills and knowledge you have in exchange for money and benefits. There is much more to life than just your career.
I really hate the term "quiet quitting", because it just sounds like more corporate propaganda. I'm not quietly quitting, I'm doing my job's core responsibilities. Why is just doing what I was hired to do being labeled in the same breath as "quitting"? Its like companies are trying to pin the blame on the employee (yet again), when they're the ones not creating a work environment or compensation structure that motivates the employees to go above and beyond. Make a list of organizational process "bounties". If you fix problem A, you get a $1,000 bonus; Problem B, $5,000, etc.... I expect they'll be floored by how many people are willing to work when they're actually paid for their initiative. Instead, they dangling the lie of a raise or promotion in front of you, only for you to hear that "HR/Finance said, we don't have the budget right now for that. Maybe in a few months -- also a new 'extra' project just came in".
This was a called in a unionized environment, "work to rule": Do what you need to do to get the job done, do it so that it doesn't have mistakes but don't do more than necessary. I often joked when we heard that, for instance, that the transit system workers are threatening to strike and are currently in a work to rule situation that, at least, the buses will run on time, according to schedule. This means, of course, if you're running for the bus, the driver won't wait because it holds up their schedule.
That ending really struck a chord with me. Used to be a teacher, moved to the tech industry because I hated the educational system's treatment of teachers. The teachers I worked with even said, "Why did you even choose this job?" Initially, I took that as a challenge. But as the years rolled by, I honestly wondered if my colleagues were actually asking me why I got a job in teaching, and why I was still trying to make the effort in being a teacher. It was hard not to take it personally, and I put a lot of identity and pride in being a teacher. Then one day I had enough; I didn't want to be taken advantage of anymore, so I moved on to being a computer technician. My altruism still bites me in the butt at times, but I can confidently say that I enjoy my job.
We really shouldn't call it "quiet quitting". "Quietly quitting" gives off the impression that a person isn't really putting in the effort required of a job. Or that they are somehow doing their job wrong. But in reality it's the exact opposite. "Quiet quitting" is just the mindset of, "I am here to do the work, and just my share of the work as we agreed upon, and then get paid for it. Nothing more." Many people just want a job that gives a paycheck. But too often do we get into a job that has an atmosphere of "You owe it to the company to give it your best." You don't owe the company shit. As long as you put in your hours, manage your responsibilities and only your responsibilities, and maintain a somewhat pleasant attitude, that's all that should be required of you. Now ofc if you want to actually get somewhere in a company, then yeah you'll have to put in extra effort. But rarely are people actually rewarded for giving it their all, so people naturally stopped trying. We should really call it something more neutral like "working your wage". If companies actually want employees to put in more effort, then they need to incentivize it. It's funny watching all these corps and managers get upset about employees just doing their job.
But that's exactly why companies call it that. It's intentionally framing the situation in such a way as to imply that people not wanting to do unpaid, uncompensated labor is somehow being "unambitious" or "lazy."
@@johnwalker1058 Thats the point. I know some guys that are only paid for the 8hours, but work like workaholics from 8 in the morning till 6 in the morning....no "thanks", no extra money, all you gain is exhaustion and burnout. If contract says "8 hours from monday to friday, you have to do this and that and get paid for only those 8 hours", then I only do this. Thats how I understood work since I was a kid xD Something that you need to do to finance your living, even though you don't want to do it at all actualy. Nothing more, nothing less.
I used to work a lot harder as a sense of pride and also hoping to gain more compensation from it once the boss noticed (yes I actually told him too and asked for a raise). It didn’t really work that way at my job. I actually then started caring less, doing less and that’s when my boss gave me a raise. It was-I think-to get me to not quit, and it worked. I’m still just doing what I think is the minimum but (un?)fortunately most of the other employees perform a lot worse so I still show up as a competent employee and I no longer get burnout. When we hire someone who tries really hard and does a good job but is stressed out by the boss not paying them more, I tell them to not care so much. It’s not their business to run. Just do good enough and love your life. Strangely, the ones who don’t take that advice and continue to care a lot about their job and keep going above and beyond end up getting fired, bc their asks for a raise bothers the boss and he’d rather have a chaotic mess of a business than actually pay someone to make it run smooth.
Something similar happened to me. I use to work hard do everything they asked to do and went out of my way to act very outgoing when that's very stressful to me. Until I suddenly snapped and realized majority of the other worked in my area did way less cared less and had no pride for what they were doing. I tend started to complain act like b and demand a better schedule. And yeah you're right I get the same amount of recognition and treatment compared to when I worked hard. Now I just do whatever the heck I want that is fair and still do my work without having to worry about anyone around me.
This is something I needed to hear when I was done with school. I was always told to grind your best way through, so you could work up to any promotions if possible. But even when working 300% somehow I still got fired and others who did the bare minimum somehow were kept. I def learned it's about being friends with the right people. Not being the best worker.
If you're in a job where you're responsible for vulnerable people it's basically impossible to refuse tasks. You don't want a disaster on your hands. The only way to let your voice be heard then becomes walking away leaving the remaining employees with exponentially more work.
Strikes are necessary sadly even for this. Nurses and teachers strike because this fact is used to pay them so little and burden them so much eventually the stress gets to them and affects their job negatively anyways so striking is the only option to see change as nobody gets a quality service anymore all while stress levels are all time high for everyone
Just quit my job as a caregiver for Developmentally disabled people. The management used the old "do it out of the goodness of your heart " nonsense. The agency works off of the hiring mill vs retainment model. The more you do the more they expect. Never a dime more to those that work hard must be their motto.
Yes, worked in a school that ran me into the ground with all the extras. Worked 7 days a week for the entire school year and burnt out bad. Don’t know how I’m going to recover, straight up quit at the end of the school year. leaving the kids haunts me yet staying would have meant hospitalisation or worse as the school wouldn’t allow time during term for medical appointments as they’re understaffed and wouldn’t pay more so I could afford more than rent and some food.
Dr K thank you for pointing out this about the medical profession! I work in the NHS and have always said the NHS runs on goodwill because if they had to pay people for all the extra work they did the whole place would grind to a halt. That’s why I hate it when bean counters and managerial budget busters come along and start saying stuff like no milk for staff or something. I’m like, a nurse will stay and work over or come in early and all she asks for is a cup of tea in which in the grand scheme of things costs 20p for work you can’t afford to pay her. Don’t p*ss people off or you’ll suffer for it!
As a teacher….I really appreciate what you said here about how exploited we are in this profession. Yes we do what we do because we care, but we need to eat & pay rent the same as anyone else, & certainly deserve a salary that matches our labor.
@@cryptojonny6837 For a teacher? Well. I'm not sure but as far as I know about teachers, they need to make lesson plan during the night and teach during the day. Ofcourse making lesson plan isnt paid at all which is why it was specificially made as an example here. So what u suggested about side hussle might be close to impossible for a teacher
Teaching is not “labor”. Working 7 months of the year barely qualifies as a real job. Being abhorrently inefficient and terrible at your job, yet having a protected status through a union hardly qualifies one as having victim status. Statistics are available. Results have shown teachers to be worse than ever.
@@michaeldalton8374 they're "worse than ever" because they're paid less and are stretched thin at their jobs. it's definitely not as little as "7 months" so you're already bending facts to your viewpoint... And these teachers are working after hours prepping lessons and grading... They could do their jobs better if schools were properly staffed and teachers were properly paid. When you underpay people their performance suffers...
I think it's also a matter of economic situation in general, which is out of the employers hands. You used to be able to put the extra mile in, buy a house and raise a family. Worth it. Now it's like put the extra mile in to afford rent and little savings instead of just rent. Doesn't really seem worth it.
And it sucks because there's no law mandating the minimum wage is tied to the cost of food, rent, etc because every time we get more money the price gets raised instantly because there's no law to prevent it it's annoying
Depending on the employer, it could very well be in their hands. You can’t tell me the multi billion dollar corporation that is McDonalds can’t pay a living wage. They can, it just hurts their bottom line.
You're last point about burnout being caused by hardwork against being systemically held back is 110% on the money. Worked at a landscaping and lawn maintenance place and had no issue going above and beyond just for the sake of alleviating the workload from my coworkers (all of whom were hardworkers and great people), the issue came when certain time limit issues for jobs would roll around and we'd end up leaving jobs looking bad despite working our hardest to try and get ahead on it. We only had the negatives of a hustle work culture, very little time off, long days, working insanely hard trying to put the highest quality work out there, only to have some sort of marked scheduling/job time chop the results up to subpar quality at best. I didn't want a raise, but what I wanted at the bare minimum was to have my hard work show in the yards we took care of, when I was being told to head out early because of other jobs or how the schedule was written, that's when I truly felt like quitting.
I've heard the person that doesn't go above and beyond is the one that gets promoted because the employer wants to keep the great people who go above and beyond in the jobs they already have. Keeping the best employees low down and doing the bulk of the work. That's how we all have idiotic managers
I have no idea if that's what's happening at my workplace but we had around 40% of the team leave in a span of 6 months, and most of them were go getters They offered a promotion to people who have been here for 1 year and work in an average way instead of offering it to people who have been try harding for 15 years in the company All those guys who have been here for 15 years and who had a choice are now gone and everything is going to shit
@@scottjolteon9033 something similar happened in my work place. We ve had two candidates one who had a degree in business and another who was here for 5 years. Guess what, they gave the promotion to the 3rd employee who signed up for the promotion who gave a sob story of why they desperately needed along with their parents knowing somone who worked in a different location but same company. That's just how it is, connections. 🤷♀️
What I've heard is that people keep being promoted until they reach a position they're shit at, and at that point they stay there. And that's how you end up with bad managers.
That part about "Encourage your employees to take their vacation" feels really relevant to me. To me, taking time off just meant I had less time to get my work done and it stressed me out. Even statutory holidays weren't relaxing to me cause during busier times they just meant I was losing a day to meet my deadlines. Thing is, I was CONSTANTLY ahead of my deadlines, but that just meant I would get assigned to helping juniors keep up with their work. So to me, not only would taking breaks mean less time for me to do my own work, (in the event that I fell behind) but that also meant the juniors would be left with more work than they could handle. Now that I've had a substantial amount of time off and had a chance to really just process it all, I see where I was putting too much burden on myself. In a couple ways I was creating stress for myself by assuming that the juniors really needed my help. In some cases they'd contact me to thank me for the help, but it's possible in other cases that my supervisors were just trying to keep me busy. I wasn't clarifying that what I really wanted was to take the extra time that I had to polish the work that I'd already submitted. I should also have understood that if I had scheduled time off, that my workload would be adjusted to compensate. Work that would be assigned to me would get handed to other senior team mates for the time I would be away. It's literally someone's job to manage the scheduling when that happens. When I finally burned out and quit I had over 160 hours of vacation time banked up. (That thankfully I got paid out in the end.) But yeah. "Encourage your employees to take breaks" doesn't mean anything if they don't ever feel like there's a reasonable time to actually do it.
and a live-able wage. If you want your employees to be productive, pay them fairly. Pay them an amount that allows them to live and excel in life. If you're living paycheck to paycheck, you're not getting paid enough. It's that simple. There's a few exceptions where the person is irresponsible with money and live beyond their means, but the vast majority ARE responsible and STILL cannot survive. It's disgusting.
Absolutely yes. Don’t be a slave to fucking capitalism. Trust me, 99 percent of the time it wouldn’t be worth it and if it was, good for you, but that’s survivorship bias. You want a raise? Most likely the best thing is to leave your job for somewhere else.
Going to work somewhere else for better pay is key in capitalism. Companies only thrive with coworkers that are willing to do their best and a better salary is a very good incentive to do so. If they don't, companies go broke.
@@VVabsa yup, and imho that system of pitting people in a rat race is cruel. Ethics aside, my advice is for individuals so they don’t get chewed up by the awful system.
It's not the fault of capitalism lol. If you listened to the video and actually read into some things, you'd have heard and seen that taking care of your employees yields greater productivity and profit. Thus capitalism would incentivize treating your employees well and rewarding them as you gain more. You can have a meritocracy in a capitalist environment, they aren't mutually exclusive.
@@DrDipsh1t yes, that’s a recommendation for business owners in an ideal world but we don’t live in a child-like version of real life. Mine, and many others, advice are for working class people now.
@@DrDipsh1t capitalism is always turned into a game of revolving doors for rich people. they take wealth from everyone else and just circulate it through small pools of specific people to retain familial control of large portions of every possible market. its no secret. thats basically the standard eurocentric strategy
6 years in IT at a corporate Japanese bank. Worked my butt off for 3 years before the pandemic for no increase in pay or promotion. Started doing only what I get paid for and now I’m below their expectations. Tired of trading my life for a meaningless job.
TLDR: My one piece of advice as a veteran especially to the younger generation is don't join the military. I was active duty until last year. We have an evaluation every year and in order to get a good evaluation to have a better chance of being promoted (in the Navy you take a test. You have to meet or be above the cutting score or else you're sol) or being meritoriously promoted you have to do more than what's required of you. You have to do your job and that's the bare minimum. You also need to have community involvement, volunteer on your off hours. Command involvement, being involved in various clubs (think like school clubs), going to college, you also need to work outside of your current job (like if you're a dental assistant you need to go work with the medical assistants somehow), you need to get different qualifications even if you aren't going to use them, you need to volunteer for TAD and /or deployment and get the qualifications you can only get when you're on deployment (and be away from your fam for 6+ months). You have extra military work depending on your rank such as if you're an E5 going for E6 (basically assistant manager to manager) you need to already be doing and acting as if you're a manager and playing the game of politics that comes with the military. And much more. If you're doing a quiet quitting you are going to be looked down upon very harshly and if that reflects on your evaluation for the test you aren't going to get promoted. It's an extremely cutthroat job where most people are out for themselves and only see themselves and wanting to advance themselves even though especially as your average enlisted member you'd get paid more working in fast food or retail. My husband is active duty currently, he had so much vacation time on the books that he had over 30 days of use or lose days. Meaning if he didn't use an X amount of days then it was going to go poof. His work at the hospital prevented him from doing that as they were telling him and saw he had use or lose days. He was able to take SOME time off but they would have balked if he tried to take ALL of his use or lose days. So he ended up losing over 20 days. These are some of the things the recruiters aren't going to tell you and a lot of the older veterans will make it seem like their time was sunshine and rainbows. With workers wanting to have fair wages, be treated better, etc especially among young people being in the military is the worst place that you can be because the military does not care and most of the people who are higher up care even less. And if you're burnt out? They'll say they can't do anything about it and you need to get back to work or go to mental health where there's a 6 month wait period.
The big difference is that being in the military is different from working for a corporation. While government will use going above and beyond to allow promotions. At some jobs there is no guarantee of a promotion. So what end up happening is people just get stuck in the same position and the same wage for a long time. That can lead to burnout and dissatisfaction with one job.
This is an interesting topic, especially in light of more remote work opportunities. In my experience in the workforce, it comes down to great leadership. My workplace energy has changed as my personal life has changed. Can't stay at the office as late when there's a family at home waiting for me. I've been fortunate that my good bosses have recognized the change and are understanding. 🤙
Why is someone simply "DOING THEIR JOB" considered quitting?! Wtf? I have rarely heard somethign more toxic in the past few years. If you don't do more than your jobs ask form you on paper you are effectively not even working but quitting? WHAT.THE.FUCK?!
"i can work 30 hours in a day" *employers spam calling his phone because they realize they can extract more profit out of drk than the average human because he can access time dilation to add hours to the day*
In several jobs I’ve gone above and beyond and what happens is other people slack off and you have to continue to pick up that slack for the same pay you started with. Don’t ever start, just do exactly what you’re told to do and how you were told to do it. Don’t waste time trying to optimize or make something faster, you’ll just give yourself more to do.
I'm a marketer and that little popup at 7:23 in the bottom left made go right to your website and pre-purchase the module. Very impressed with your systems, they tick a lot of boxes when it comes to direct response principles
some people will laugh but it is wage slavery. I feel like people are more aware than ever that they're slaves. You spend 60-70 years (if you're lucky to live that long) to work until you can spend 10 years to "relax" and that only happens if you're an insanely successful or pretty highly successful person, taxes are draining and diminishing retirements and we're in a situation where people are fed up with working and offering a higher level/standard of work, but getting no reward for it.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of problems around standard working practices that need to be addressed, but another huge problem contributing to this is horrible financial knowledge. It's not that hard to retire early on a modest income (ie, retire after 20 years working a job that pays 45k a year). However you have to save and invest consistently, which almost no one does because they don't know where to put the money. Raising wages also doesn't help if people don't know how to save, which is why about half of earners who make over 100k a year still live paycheck to paycheck. Index funds are the best vehicle in history of gaining wealth, so definitely use them if you want to retire at all.
I agree but it isn't taxes that's doing it, rather we're having a hard time getting politicians to legally mandate some bare minimum standards like a minimum wage tied to the cost of living and free healthcare so small employers don't have to waste money paying for insurance and can instead pay their employees more money, more easily and compete more effectively with big corporations
We got to quiet quitting because employers respect simping over qualifications and ability. Yes the working hard scale exists, but if you have a movie star like presence people will promote you just from that alone.
employers dont encourage you getting raises. the person in charge of your raise doesnt even work with you. This is why going to a new company will always be more effective for gaining more money. 'oh there base pay is 20k more than my current pay' while also your current employer pays you the same as new employes saying 'we given you a raise.' as an ex-manager I've seen employees that have been in the location for years, commonly get paid less than new employees. Then we all question why they quit but someone doing half the work is being payed more.
So true on so many levels: We spend so much time lecturing employees on "work ethic" and "maintaining their mental health" that the so called HR and Managers of this world do not take notice of Employee's current motivation levels. Schedule more One to One meetings, give employees more work benefits and "communicate" more. That's the problem with these higher ups - they need to take notice.
I worked at FedEx Ground for 8 years, applied for 4 different manager positions and have been considered the most productive individual on the dock for my shift for many of the years I spent there. The problem arises that managers develop cliques and promotions are considered based on their social beliefs over workplace efficiency. I focused on the latter, and they didn't appreciate the pressure (that is inherent of a managerial position considering your job is to maintain a company standard, not your own) that I applied to them as a package handler. It was a simple case of, "If you don't slurp their sauce, you can't be a boss."
Oh, and the person who was chosen over me for the last one was caught doing hard drugs in the bathroom. Just a nibble for ya (And no I will not remove my comment, this is a factual statement and FedEx should wear it as a badge of honor)
Little story. I went on bereavement leave, was the only person working my position (software technician) for a entire building of a billion dollar semiconductor company. Come back, I was given 4 trainees, never seen anyone get more than 1. All were making more money than I was, one was even making %30 more than me. These people were there for about 6 months, I was working there for over 2 years. I was asking for help for 9 months because I was having to manage fixing software issues on over 30 machines, as well as making sure everything was finished for new machines coming in. It took a family member passing away to actually get help. But that came with training 4 people at once and being pressured to do so. Talked about it with management, they didn't care at all. When someone passes away there is a LOT of work to do, so I had to have a meeting with a lawyer. I was told all legal issues I need to attend to are excused and I am good to miss work if needed. I had PTO, I wasn't breaking any policies, notified them that I had to have the meeting, have proof of the meeting. Was fired. Less than a few hours later, already was accepted at a new job (didn't take it). At a fucking gas station, that would give me 40+ hours, and only pay me a dollar less. I will never bust my ass thinking I will be appreciated for hard work and rewarded. The good take away is I can work at almost any company in the industry and get paid way more.
I work at a hospital and I’ve been “quiet quitting” for almost a full year at this point. I was going above and beyond to try and help everyone out, and they would still pile on extra work onto me despite me biting off more than anyone else was. So everyone kind of just gave me their work because they knew I would go and do it. So I no longer do anything and only do the work that is handed to me lol
I think this is interesting as it definitely highlights the fact that Dr. K has never actually worked a regular job. Here is how it has been for my entire life in regular jobs: 80% of the people there are doing the bare minimum, 10% are new people trying not to get fired, and 10% are striving for a promotion (going above and beyond). Almost everyone is just chilling at these jobs (in the sense that doing any less would be neglecting their duties) I have NEVER, across over a DOZEN employers in my lifetime, witnessed a situation where it was the "norm" to go above and beyond. In fact I've always been one of the guys to 'go above and beyond' to aim for promotions, my 'going above and beyond' virtually never resulted in more work hours. It was sacrificing time where I was doing nothing and chilling during work hours, for doing extra work/learning/etc. I always got recognized for it. My first 'career path' job I ever had I didn't put a SINGLE hour beyond 40 per week in, and yet I was able to do 2-3 TIMES the work of the other guys. I'm not saying they were lazy or that they should've been working harder. I'm saying that if going 'above and beyond' was the 'baseline' at companies now that wouldn't have even been possible. This was true of virtually every employer I ever worked for. I actually had some jobs where I was lazy af and would still get praised for my 'hard work', companies where I would basically do 10-15 hours per week and they'd mention how I was decimating everyone else in performance. Again, not trying to brag. I'm just pointing out that if what so many people are saying was true I wouldn't have been able to do that. I'm far from some genius or something, I'm a normal guy. This isn't to discount other people's experiences at their company, I'm sure there are companies out there like this. I'm sure there are even industries like this, such as the medical field, legal field, etc. But by and large generally the fields where that is the norm, they are already getting a salary that goes 'above and beyond' already lol.
“The person who goes above and beyond gets the promotion” is such an oversimplification and not necessarily true. Politics play into it. Hard workers aren’t necessarily rewarded but are sometimes even given more work for no extra money or benefits. Hence the reasonable reaction of “quiet quitting.” Besides, work should only be part of one’s life, not their entire life. Most employers ultimately won’t appreciate extreme dedication anyway.
people do actively choose to act their wage though - sometimes it's physically necessary due to burnout, but the point IS that it is an active choice now, people are choosing to do less on a logical basis rather than it simply happening as a result of their current physical and mental condition. Quiet quit (act your wage) BEFORE you're burnt out. Just stop doing extra now, and save yourself from the shutdown later.
Doing a job is a trade. You give something and while you do it you may gain different things like salary, experience, skills, connections etc... The simple thing is that different people value their time/effort differently but things to manipulate people such as “duty” or “commitment” are luckily fading out. Societies have changed. If a company is able to build their values, mission and image in an honest way that also resonate with the people, then maybe things such as “duty” could be brought back. Unfortunately, the sad thing is that all of the companies nowadays are based only on one thing, and that is “profit”. If the only thing a company can offer to its employees is money compensation and that does not meet the peoples’ counter offer then of course such deals will fail. Many companies really need to step down from their high horse and think logically, the job market is what it sounds like, it is a market for doing trade. There do however still exist companies who live in the Middle Ages and see the trade as “slave trade”.
It’s not quiet quitting and it’s not the bare minimum. It’s doing the work you are paid or contracted to do. It’s drawing healthy boundaries and sticking to them. This term has become the newest buzzword to try and manipulate a narrative so that our culture continues in a direction where exploitation of employees’ time, energy, and goodwill is the norm.
I find this whole debate about quiet quitting really weird. Feels more like media is trying to make employees look like they are not doing what they are supposed to do (although that's really not the point of the article Dr. K read). Sometimes, the extra effort is just not worth it. To use myself as an example: I'm a senior programmer at a large tech company and that's a pretty sweet position to be in. I get to push hard when I feel like it, or just do the amount of work that is expected of me. I have no interest in getting promoted to higher levels because, even though the money is good, part of the expectation is that I'll just have to sacrifice my personal life to sustain that. I have other things I value in my life and I'm comfortable with what I make and the impact I can produce. Weird to think of that as quiet quitting. I think of it more as knowing that I have enough.
I've worked in several places in the past where I had gotten passed up for permanent hire or promotion. I've seen my boss in my current job go above and beyond, and they even got passed up for promotion twice in favor of bringing in someone off the street. I never liked "hustling" since it opens people up to having their time and effort be taken advantage of. My limited lifespan is worth more than that, and this is why I "quiet quit".
I feel so seen at 00:14:14 - I teach teens with disabilities and mental health issues. I am burning out, not for my bosses, but for my students, because they hardly get the help, support, and stability they deserve.
14:45 - really interesting point here. Not only do people get indignant when people in these altruistic jobs try to advocate for themselves, they're also often vilified when they DO speak up. Every time teachers go on strike, I hear (usually older) people complaining about how 'teachers are holding the children hostage'. They don't care about the fact that many teachers have to work additional jobs to make ends meet. They don't care about the fact that most teachers are taking money from their already comparatively low salaries to make sure they've got classroom materials. They don't care about the fact that most teachers work 7 days a week because of the amount of work they take home in lesson prep, grading, classroom maintenance, education planning, educational workshops, meetings (which are almost always outside of 'regular work hours')... nah. "teachers have it easy and how dare they hold the kids hostage."
It's not just the "go above and beyond" inflation imo. In many countries It's also about the money. They might offer a relatively good salary, but when you think about it, you can't build a house in a million years. Meanwhile our parents were able to by working shitty jobs 20 and 30 years ago. Now everything is expensive and salaries are not reflecting that. So why would i work overtime and try to show my boss that I'm a good boy. It's all about compensation. The rest of the stuff are just side issues
For me, all I want is appreciation. Even if it's just verbal. I work in an automotive factory, and we have mandatory overtime because we are currently struggling to meet production goals/customer demands. This results in us only having 4 days off per month (every other weekend). On top of this, my job is very physically and mentally taxing--I am in a management position where I work. One time one of my colleagues who does the same job as I took an entire week off. There were scheduling mistakes for the work weekend, where I was going to be off and so was she, so there was going to be no one to do our jobs except some lower level, less experienced assistants. I decided to bite the bullet and come in on my days off (which I knew would result in me working 3 weeks straight) and not one single person said thank you. I didn't want a medal of honor or anything, but I think what I did deserved several thank yous from both the assistants and my supervisor, because if I hadn't done this, my department would have crashed and burned for those two days. But I got not one single tiddlywink of appreciation. Therefore, from now on, I will give not one iota extra.
Another take on Effort Inflation (3:02): The problem with old systems is that when someone goes above and beyond in hopes of getting up the corporate ladder, managers instead use them as the standard for everyone to follow. Over time, those who cannot keep up with the person going beyond get kicked because of their "low performance" relative to the overachieving employee, and the overachieving employee gets burned out because his efforts are for naught.
That's a whole other can of worms as that would lead to inflation very quickly There are things we can do to reduce our own costs of living, like getting roommates or not eating fast food
@@VForceWave if you tie it by law to the cost of living it will not inflate unnecessarily because businesses can't charge more without the wages going up so it would actually halt it if they were tied together by law
@@VForceWave even if it did lead to inflation, if wages kept up with it, then it would cancel itself out. as it is, inflation is still occurring, but wages aren't keeping up, and this isn't sustainable. this is how you get riots and revolution and guillotines.
In the company I work on, they straight up came to us in a meeting with HR that "working more doesn't necessarily mean you'll get a promotion or raise" but they never clarified the rules of the game. Ever since then, they have entire sectors of the company working the absolute minimum, and I do the same. Plus, if you work extra hours, you don't get anything from it, because all you can do with the extra hours is take days off. Not only that, on some holidays, they force us not to work, but will subtract the hours out of our hour banks anyways. There's just absolutely no incentive, not even a career plan service. Absolutely wild, bro. The only reason I'm still here is because I can keep on doing the bare minimum here and still get a salary (as small as it is) while working on making my side hustle viable
Wow if they company mandated pto you shouldn't be able to take the hours accrued that seems like it either is illegal and I don't know or really should be We should have mandatory paid days off extra tho, like in Europe 4 weeks paid vacation mandated by law with no penalty to use it (population 448 million) even if you work at a gas station, as long as you're full time you're entitled to this 4 weeks off every year minimum.
Yep, so sick of trying to figure out the rules of the game. Its very hard for neurodivergent people to get this stuff. I have also worked positions in which we had holidays mandated off but they took our pto
we used to have a bonus system at the company, where the top employees would get a cut of the profits. Covid came, and along with it the bonuses were cut out, along with subtle threats that we were expendable. The leadership talked about how they were taking pay cuts, but then the owner got a 3rd Ferrari and the company had record profits, and we still got nothing back. that's when i started to quiet quit.
A really clear way to see it is productivity against health / well-being. If it's a screaming emergency, like your future is on the line, you can do short sprints of that. The problem is if you're doing super hero work for the sake of survival over the course of years, it can do damage not only to your health but who you are as a person. This is where you can weigh, on one hand, covering responsibilities to a fair degree and on the other hand letting yourself be treated like a piece of meat or a human fuel rod to be burned. You might genuinely be in a position where through some bizarre cosmic alignment there's no one you can successfully confront about the issue, I would say I found myself in that position recently (2018 thru 2021) and it was an overall net negative but... I did play Atlas, I did keep he roof from caving in, I just really hope I'm never called on to do something as absurd as that again (especially if it's all stick and no carrot).
At my company, if you go above and beyond, you get stuffed with more work. So it's actually a negative motivation to go above and beyond, you get punished with more work. Eventually you get pushed to take a "promotion" where you you get maybe a 15% pay increase, but you get more than 100% more work to do. Love the corporate slavery structure. I work in an Asian company and this seems to be the culture where top management is located in Asia and they make the decisions, even if the company is in the US.
As an altruist, I can confirm we're being overworked. I had psychopath manager at my previous job who pushed a little too far, so I quit, and he got fired 1 month later
my workplace is so toxic, they give out raises after we have a mass exodus of employees. instead of giving raises based on your worth/value, you get it just to keep you in longer.
I am the founder of a small company. And this company is my dream. And the first the first 3 years, I had a massive amount of employees quitting/being fired. And for a moment it was a process for me to become a better manager. When I started my business, I had a couple of good people that I managed very poorly, and they left. And another moment, I had people with 'potential', but I didn't taught them well enough because I left them too independent, and cause problems and lead them to be fired. Currently I already accepted that I don't need to 'sell my dream' to others. My goal is to give them a good meaningful time teaching them skills. Give them different experiences as a team, until it is time for them to move on. The people I hire are young and at their first jobs....and I don't want them also wasting their life on a 'monkey job'. I still need them, but I also need them smart, learning and eventually seeking better things in the future. If they want to stay, I rather they stay because they really want a future here. Not because they think they cannot get anything better.... And I am hopeful that they (and I) can become better people by giving them more value and attention.
I think you should communicate and ask how long do they see themselves working in your company? What are their long term goals? What are their dreams? What do they want to gain or benefit out if this work? These are questions asking during interviews ofc.
@@SemekiIzuio how many people answer honestly to the question of "where do you see yourself in 5 years" answer as "a manager, higher position or excessively high" you are egotistical, "looking for options" mans no commitment, and a slew of other words that any respecting person can see right through. the age old "what are your strengths and weaknesses" are just to see if you evaluate yourself acceptably and if you prepare, if you cant answer these filler questions most interviewers will wear a chip on their shoulder because they can make or break you at that moment. once you realize the game is political then you can work around the bullshit, make connections, network, know the RIGHT people. most jobs going through hiring firms ensure the applicant has what skills above all? SOFT SKILLS, something surely lacking in the current snobbish ICT and STEM climate. with many professionals looking down on others and ego's through the roof it is no longer applicable to keep your head down and rise through the ranks, because at the end of the day regulation or not employers and more importantly employees have their preconceived biases and opinions on others, even more so in such a cutthroat environment in which they pull themselves up at the cost of everyone else. most good companies end up with amazing managers which consist of the few that have dealt with this shit and stick their back out with the intention of protecting their team. nowadays that self respect and more importantly integrity is lost amongst most middle management staff as they have NO clue what goes on in their department past KPI's and efficiency metrics, look at managers who have risen to that role doing the very job they oversee. programming team lead or managers are completely USELESS if they majored in business and cant spot bullshit programmers from a mile away, most people in these roles are either outliers, shook hands or faked it till they made it and in which case you can most likely assume the group in which i believe are actually successful. in such a fucked work climate it only makes sense as to why people jump shit to new companies as it gives them a fresh start as well as knowing the company they now work for gives enough of a shit to pay their workers a reasonable salary. sad times.
@@flareshift1 yeah I'm not reading the rest. We are talking about young adults fresh out of highschool who are still a bit naive and honest for a small home company. If it where experienced adults in a larger scale company that is a whole different deck. I will not deny people lie ofc but when interviewing asking further if they are going to college and what they are studying for how long etc to know the person further will ease in a bit on the honesty
Spot on with burnout not being about laziness. The exact opposite as you said I've written down so many things for my employer as per her request. Addressed THE SAME PROBLEM for 6 months telling them "this is why the numbers are low". 6 months later a "consultant" was hired to say the exact shit I was saying. You're right. I burned out after that. For trying to do a good job. Really is bizarre. Now i just clock in and clock out. I've been shown my voice isn't 'important' enough even though I'm 1 of 2 employees that run the store.
Often times for myself it’s always doing the most and never being compensated. I always try to do more because I want to move up, but I have to sacrifice my life to the company or I can just seek elsewhere knowing I can always get compensated more.
It's actually a very complex issue. A huge problem is that a lot of companies have no way of measuring or noticing when people are objectively going above and beyond. Often you literally rub their noses in it to notice, which can have a negative effect. Which also means asskissing can get you further than doing a great job. So managers aren't really managing. And that's because they're also doing a job besides managing, and it's often too much. Another big problem is that managers/bosses/owners can't really process when an employee says "my job became too much, it's not possible for me to do it in this much time". This more often than not ends badly for the employee, and by the time the employer realises that the former employee was correct, well, they're already a former employee. There's also no time for communication between employers and employees, and honest talks about company management is avoided by the employer and very risky for the employee. You can be the best manager there is, but there will still be things that your employee notices that you have no idea about. Similarly employees are often not aware of the higher working of a company, which can lead to discontent. If they get extra workload for a legit reason, but they don't know that reason, their first assumption can be shitty management. I think quiet quitting is a very misleading and useless term. For starters it has nothing to with being quiet or quitting. But more importantly it's not the employee who "quits" on the job, it's the company who already "quit" on the employee, and the employee only acknowledges that and adapts.
I like your insights on mental health but I can't get behind some of the things here. In America at least, the working class has been pushed into further and further into poverty, the only reward for going above and beyond has been more work and those who network get promoted, not those who work harder. It's clear to see the value in my labor towards the company but the company does not monetarily compensate for the extra effort, so the solution is to work to rule, stop going beyond contracted work because the only outcome is more labor for me, no extra pay, no promotion. Maybe the company will give me a good review and I will get a 3 cent raise instead of a 2.....
Raises and bonuses are nice but that really assumes the primary relationship between the employee and employer is financial. Which many times it is. But you can always reward high performers by allocating them work they enjoy. It may not work for all industries but if you can tailor an employees work towards something they are passionate about it's a significant boost to productivity. More than a once a year bonus.
Can we talk about false expectations in academia/professional school also? I'm a med student, and I understand that as a job that directly deals with human lives, we do have to go out of our comfort zone at times. But the amount of bs I hear about all the sh*t that residencies require...first of all, I'm not attending med school to impress anybody or go "above and beyond," I'm here to simply learn how to help people get better and not let them die, to put it bluntly. Also, I know it's "professional" school, but ultimately, I'm here to learn, not burn myself out by staying way too many extra hours at shifts to impress my attendings and professors or by competing with gunners by studying more that 12 hours a day (in all honesty, unless it's the days leading up to the exam, I probably didn't do more that 4-5 hours of studying outside of lecture, other days less if there was other stuff going on. Plenty of days I was burnt out or dealing with mental health sh*t so I didn't do much at all). There's this ridiculous culture in med school that is even promoted by a ton of students on focusing too much on overworking and impressing. I see a bunch of ppl who will get involved in 10 different orgs, be leaders for several of them, and work in multiple research jobs so they can impress residencies. I don't understand where they even find the time bc I'm barely able to keep up with the ridiculous amount of info we ingest everyday. Also, a lot of ppl in med school already have connections that others (like me) do not coming in, so to even get some of these opportunities outside of class is difficult. Of course, I get involved in stuff if I'm interested, but the truth is, I'm focusing more on simply doing what is required and not becoming so burnt out by the time I graduate that I perpetuate the toxic environment present in a lot of medicine. To me, I think I'll do more benefit to future patients if I spend more time while I have the opportunity to do so as a student to take care of myself and mental health and focus mainly on what's most important for me to know to help people. Everything else really just comes with time and experience. I know there are quite a few ppl in medicine who think like me (including probably Dr. K himself), but I wish there were more.
I enjoy HealthyGamer and Dr. K for their perspectives, advice, and great content. A lot of what has been posted and shared I have been able to make of value in my life. Today, however, I made a decision that put me on a step back to better mental health: I made the poor decision to read youtube comments, thinking I might find some other good perspectives to the video. Lesson once again learned: don't read the comment section. No one ACTUALLY cares for the impact of their public words.
@@Jaigarful yeah with this mindset I could actually properly learn not to take twitter so literal. It's just a vent, where people go to vent about venting, then get mad and vent more, then get madder and vent and vent and it's all just angry
This video still does not address one of the main problems that I’ve also seen and personally experienced. It does not truly address why people are not taking vacation time: we simply cannot afford to. Many/most employers do not offer any sort of time off compensation, so work missed is money missed. Many of this working generation are living from paycheck to paycheck. Simply put, time at work missed is income lost. Income lost is not something that we can afford to do. Again, a major problem. And even if one gets paid time off, most don’t account for people functioning with sickness or disability. I began a new job nearly a year ago. When I started I had 120 hours of paid leave. Due to constant illness, I used up the entirety of it in about nine months. My doctors appointments and health issues have not stopped, yet again, time away from work = wage lost. I don’t live extravagantly by any means. I have a few small simple bills and barely enough wages to cover it. That may seem extreme, but it’s also a harsh reality for many/most in the workforce
There is not a clear structure where I work. There are boundaries crossed constantly but by people barely above me and there isn't a clear person to say "hey, no, I'm not doing that" and it's super freaking frustrating.
Kinda weird that companies would be structured in a way that is dependent on there being employees that do more than they're getting paid for. Wonder where the profit from the extra extracted value goes... 🤔
It's more that there's a bell curve of employee performance, and the pay is at the average point. The hard workers carry the others. The profit goes to the wages of the slackers.
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 Good point! I had a bad experience with sales in my early 20s and it soured my view of corporate higher ups. Realistically it probably does vary a lot from company to company. Sometimes it goes to paying those who do less than they're paid for, sometimes it goes to further development and innovation that increases value to the consumer and or employees, but unfortunately it also sometimes goes to padding the wallets of corporate executive's w/o doing either of the former.
The whole "quiet quitting" thing ticked me off when I first saw it pop up. Heaven forbid people just do what they are hired to do. I imagine these are the same people who believe that "nobody wants to work anymore" rather than reflecting on why this is happening in the first place. I think COVID helped people realise their worth and what really matters to them and I'm glad to see it. I know so many of my peers (early to mid 20s, many of them recent university graduates) quit jobs that made them miserable and either had terrible management or they were expected to go "above and beyond" for minimum wage while getting abused by customers. And now those people are either working at places that treat them better or they've started their own business and are much happier.
Great video as always. That talk about time off hits close to home. Been at my company for 3 years and I've only taken 2 days off that weren't due to being sick. If I take off 1-2 weeks, I'm coming back to 1-2 weeks of extra work. It's quite the dilemma.
I worked at a company that had a service a few million people used. I was a support engineer, so I went through escalation data, user reports, help desk, forum scrapes, stuff like that and had to escalate stuff to individual teams, if it was a team thing, or have to get a presentation together for higher ups and make pretty charts with a *lot* of colors, so that they would even sorta look up from their phone. Or system had a wonky back end so connectivity was the biggest issue we had, which made total sense; if you can't use our product to do what you need to do, obviously that is gonna be the biggest issue with it. So, for my first presentation I went over the support issues we had, what I had done in the "short term" to ameliorate it, broken down issues in to sub issues, explained how our wonky back end could open us up to attacks, ddos, all sorts of stuff like that. They looked at me and stated; "we know connectivity is the number one issue, we have decided to not make any changes, do not include it in future presentations". I have *never* been made to feel so underappreciated at a job as I did in that moment "yeah, we know what the problem is, keep doing your hand waving at them about us looking in to the root cause of these issues and only give us the small stuff". I worked at Worst Return. terrible electronics store, I worked as a member of Side Show Employee Detachment, was the only person that could actually fix the computers and was paid the least on the team, my co-workers and bosses treated me like trash, but at least I got thanked by the customers, so there was *some* value in my work, but even that job did not make me feel as bad as when I was simply told to not bother to tell people what the problems are anymore.. Side note the job at the electronics chain actually gave me mild ptsd, so now whenever I smell/hear common scents/or songs that were played on repeat in the store, I have a mild panic attack.
They just want to solidify their position by giving the promotion to the people who they think will fit in their own clique, and someone who doesnt challenge their own position.
You're assuming motivation here, and there's no where you can go with that assumption. I generally believe people do try to be fair, but we naturally favor those we get along with/ are more alike. Promotions normally come alongside requirements to communicate more with other management, and they kindof go hand in hand.
So many points made here make sense. I put in extra hours, hit or exceeded deadlines (things that even upper management sees), and took on tougher projects for around 4 years. First promotion was after 1 year, then hit a wall. Basically told that the only way to get farther is to be hired as a senior or if someone leaves (they only ever have 1-2 senior positions). My manager really does 3 jobs at once; the job of a manager that left, his job before that promotion, and one we needed to fill for a long time. He's a year older than me, similar to the rest of the department. So, I have no control on advancement with a manager that wants to help, but struggles to stay afloat. The company finally did a survey and found employee satisfaction was lower than expected. Meanwhile, if the company has a rough year, regardless of your performance, you get a fixed increase less than inflation. I was honest to upper management and said it's about not having effort result in anything. The response was that it's unfortunate, but that's just how it works. Not quiet quitting would be the more shocking result. I also actually quit at some point, but quiet quitting makes the job go from terrible to amazingly easy. If effort isn't rewarded, it's usually the case that very little effort isn't punished.
There is another excellent post here describing the term as being invented by corporations as a sort of derogatory description of the strategy. What it actually is should be titled "acting your wage."
I think that my issue is that, in my field, I have a few conflicts. Conflict number 1 - I am bored at my current position. Not because I have nothing to do or I'm not being challenged, but because I don't find the work interesting or fulfilling in any way. Conflict number 2 - moving up will put me in a position where I will have to do a job that I hate more and will undoubtedly affect my mental health. Conflict number 3 - I have a better job that I want to do with my current skill set, but people who have that job aren't compensated adequately, and the working conditions are garbage. So, my solution is to work this boring job that I don't like to earn my living and keep my medical benefits that I need, and pursue my passions on the side. It's not ideal for either party because every job I go into I'm automatically "quiet quitting." Advancement is only going to lead to more problems, and generally speaking, staying where I am provides for my needs. But, regardless, I'm still unhappy and resentful that I can't just cut out the middle man and just do what I want to do for a living. It's not even that it's not a worthwhile pursuit or anything - it's just that the industry doesn't respect the skill that goes into the field I want to work in. I try to work on my own stuff I want to do but I get burned out really easily because a person can only do the same thing for so many hours a week before they feel like they're losing their mind. Or at least, that's my experience.
Typical thing I see in academia every day: the good people take longest for their PhD degree because professors keep piling on new projects on "reliable" people. Then those good students are so burned out that they leave for industry. The other ones who were flying under the radar finish in 3 years and get better paid entry positions in industry because their degree looks great on paper (they never planned to stay in academia anyways). Also, massive amounts of nepotism. If you believe that being a good researcher gets you a (increasingly rare) permanent staff or a tenure track professor position, then you have never been to the pub near the conference building after the conference is over, because that's where those decisions are made.
Nice take on quiet quitting, I'm about to start studying business psychology and I'm glad to get some professional insights on this channel that goes beyond the medical part of psychology.
It's really messed up that we are at a point where "doing the work you're being paid to do" is considered the "bare minimum."
This was actually demonstrated and parodied in the 1999 film "office space." See the "pieces of flair" scene.
Fr this is an agreement between employee and employer. You are not renting me as a slave for 8 hours, we made a deal and I am upholding my end of the bargin. I mean imagine the reverse scenario, would you get mad at a business for giving you exactly what you ordered and nothing more? They would happily tell you "If you want more pay for it!". Well we are telling our employers the same exact thing, that's not lazy that's equality. We aren't entitled to free money, and you aren't entitled to free labor.
I'd like to add the fact that the norm is employers expecting more than what they paid for really shows who holds the cards quite clearly in corporate America.
You should provide your boss 10 free hours of unpaid labor as a sign of rspect!
@@duckqueak What business is actually giving you MORE than what you paid for, rather than the minimum or slightly less?
This is why companies need to have a structure that rewards high performance with promotions, raises, and bonuses. Many companies say you can "grow with the company" but the only "growth" you see is a growth in responsibilities for the same pay.
Couldn't agree more
You know how you reward workers for doing a good job? By having them own and control the means of production, instead of a leech. Labor is entitled to all it creates.
They give you 10x more work for 10 extra bucks a day
Or pay the workers according to what they produce and give them a fair share for their labour power
@@totlyepic well said, comrade
Companies and media really dislike the idea of quiet quitting even though it really just means for us to do our job and not above and beyond.
Life is already tough these days, we gave up trying to compete against each other to “earn” a better life and instead just want peace and happiness, yet this is becoming a luxury…
People need to stop to try to earn a better life and start fighting for it and for bettering each other's life.
@@VVabsa you cannot fight if the fight is rigged.
@@vitorpereira5461 It's only rigged if you fight in the same way they do.
Why call it quiet quitting then?
The media is mad because either
1.) You're neglecting duties.
2.) You're calling doing your job "quitting".
It seems like, from an outside perspective, that the goal is to do as little as possible until your boss notices and fires you - while operating under the guise of "just doing your job" - and is a classic case of political "hide the ball", or if we're being charitable a REALLY irrelevant sensationalized topic.
@a proverbial lemon It's almost like people themselves have to act up or make unions themselves for their own cause.
One other thing that doesn't get discussed enough: the *assumption* of ambition. We live in a society that requires work to survive, but we *assume* that people want to advance, get promoted, get additional rewards, etc as a result of that work. That's not always the case. Some people want to do enough work to survive at a reasonable level, and that's it. But it's not talked about, because how do you engage an employee that perceives engagement with one's job as fundamentally counterproductive to enjoying life?
^^^ this!! I don’t want to be a director or manager and don’t see myself wanting to be that even 10-20 years from now. It’s not that I don’t like working in my field, but I don’t want that to be my entire life either
My career goal is to work part time permanently 😅
exactly. no one wants to work. If people wanted to work, people would never retire or use vacation days or go home after 8 hours. They would just keep working because it's enjoyable to them. Like if I offered someone the same wage to do absolutely nothing or to do their normal shifts, they would choose not to work because working is a less appealing option. We work because we need the income to fuel our lifestyles. The money we earn goes towards things we actually want like food, clothing, shelter, hobbies, etc.
@@awesome7732 Need the money to survive* because we still don't have guaranteed human rights
@@opliko Is survival a human right though? I mean sure I agree that people shouldn't randomly kill each other, but if someone isn't going to farm or labor in some other way for their food, I don't see how it's anyone else's responsibility to prevent them from starving themselves
Quiet quitting is a misleading term, "Act your wage" is a better one. Also, it usually is more likely to get better job opportunities if you're willing to do job hopping
Get what you pay for! Employers offer the going rate or get lost!
"Act your wage" Love it!
"Work to rule" is the old phrase, I like "act your wage" as well.
It's almost *always* better to job hop than to stay and hope the raise is big enough. Nearly all companies, since the early 2000s started explicitly planning their employment schemes for an average tenure of 2 years for *most* non-executive employees. You should start looking at 2.5. If you have to move with the new job, when you go to apply for loans for a house, or for background checks for a new rental, or if you need a new car, etc; 2 is the magic number. 2 years of continuous employment in general, _and_ 2 years in your current role *OR* 2 years in the previous role if you got a promotion/elevated role withing the past 6 months or less. Internships may count if they are not summer-only--YMMV.
Minimum wage, minimum effort.
If you're applying for a job and they say, "We're a family here," run away quickly.
Facts🤣🤣
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This would effectively be like a red flag for a dating prospect.
But I don't like my family!
Bruh, that’s my job right now. My family doesn’t consistently get paid to yell at me on a daily basis (I unload trucks, they yell at each and every one of us to promote efficiency - to make us go faster).
Edit: everyone one -> every one
I've been quietly quitting for the past 3-4 months.
We just had our Global Quarterly All Hands Meeting this past Friday and one of the issues that came up was burnout in our role and the near 20% turnover rate per year these past 2 years (Our department has roughly 500 people)
Despite failing to even meet inflation with wage increases the past 2 years, they still don't see wages as the issue. They replace very senior/experienced people with newer people from low-cost regions like India and Singapore. It's by design.
I will continue milking my company for what they're worth and do the bare minimum because they compensate me with less than the bare minimum.
Thats 100 people, every year. Who the fuck is running that company?
You're not milking them, they're milking you.
My attitude is, "you're putting the bare minimum into me. So I'm putting the bare minimum into you. If you want extra mile work out of me, put extra mile compensation and benefits into me."
Singapore is low cost??
Arent you working in the same company as I do? You've seriously just described perfectly the situation in our company as well with the all hands meeting wtf. Loc company?
My company's motto is "willingness to do more" and that's such a bs to not compensate workers properly. Do your best, finish your assigned tasks, those should be enough without companies gaslighting us to feel bad for not being extraordinarily productive. We can be more productive but we want to pursue our hobbies, too.
Edit. I love the "willingness to pay more" idea haha
Exactly, when wages are stagnant, they have ZERO fricken right to be expecting anything extra. If employers were offering competitive wages at least - then I can see the justification. But they can't even do that right.
The company should also reciprocate that willingness to pay more.
Data shows that people that do 10% more work end up making 40% more money. They get the raises and the promotions, and are the ones that get recruited away to better positions at other companies.
From now on if I see "excel/above and beyond" in a job listing I'm asking if the pay is above and beyond in the interview.💀
@@ryanviningtube Where can I find that data? It sure sounds like bullshit.
the antiwork movement doesn't like the phrasing of "quiet quitting", it's corporate lingo, because it implies DOING THE JOB YOU'RE PAID TO DO is "quitting" just because you're not going above and beyond to make your company even more money.
agreed. I also dislike the "bare minimum" wording too, since it's often used in contrast to that glorified BS of "above and beyond"
"Work to Rule" is the original phrase.
THANK YOU! I was hoping there would be at least one person who would say this! It's just a term invented by corporations to guilt trip their employees for not overachieving and just doing what their job description asks of them. Not to mention it's a way to victim blame workers who have to put up with insufferable work culture.
We need to normalize doing what one's paid for. If it's not in the job description don't do it
"And other duties as designated"
My employer pays for my time as a salaried employee. I don't work every hour of every day that I'm contracted to, yet I'm compensated for it.
When they need something else, if it's within my hours I'm happy to help as my contract states.
My employer and I have a good reciprocal relationship.
I feel like so many people that are jaded here are likely deflecting or need to improve their skillset to be able to reach more meaningful and mutually beneficial labor.
@@ClimbAndTeach good for you, not everyone is a on salary though.
Again: do what you're paid for and no more.
It's funny that you mention "skillsets" and "deflecting" instead of acknowledging the simple fact that people aren't fairly compensated when they go the extra mile for their employers thr majority of the time. It feels like you missed the point of the video too, particularly when it was mentioned that people are quiet quitting BECAUSE they feel like their extra work gets no reward.
@@user-ts8fj5kj2z I grant your point that people are sometimes, even often, uncompensated for additional duties.
What I circle back to, is this entire comment sections completely ignoring the times they're not working and ARE compensated.
Many office jobs compensate a salary for 8 hours of work - But the majority of people only work between 30-80% of that time.
I feel like the logical conclusion of this thinking would be "I will do no work that is not directly outlined" would also result in employers saying " I will compensate you for no time that you're not directly productive".
@@ClimbAndTeach Not everyone is as lucky as you. Not everyone is justly compensated.
And if companies aren't going to pay their workers justly, they will quickly find workers that do the bare-minimum. And if they still don't pay the workers appropriately, they'll just quit. Then your business gets shut down. That's already happened at two of my previous jobs.
"I will compensate you for no time that you're not directly productive."
Why should I get paid less if I can do the same job in two hours that someone else can do in 8? Why am I getting paid less for having more skill? That's some backwards-ass logic.
@@ClimbAndTeach I'm speaking as someone who worked as a wage worker. Not a salaried employee. During the in-between period of my undergrad (first year of covid)I worked as a bookkeeper, I had to do things that were completely out of my job description and in completely different departments for no compensation for my extra work.
Your comment is pointed at someone that won't directly relate to your argument or be affected by it really.
But if we're talking about time that people work, let's address the fact that worker productivity has consistently gone up and wages have stagnated, resulting in an already unfair compensation.
I have worked in the grocery store business for 15 years , started when i was 18. I decided to quit before november. I'm beyond burnt out and ive held off on this decision to see if things get better as i voice the concerns of the people in the store. What happens is they ignore the issues and pile more work onto the few who are left. On top of blaming the workers for things out of our control and overall just killing store morale. I have begged them to just treat us like humans ( not to mention the customers have gotten a lot worse as well). So this video being posted today just reinforces my plan to quit and just helps me to realize im making the right choice for my own health.
God bless you and may He guide and protect you through unemployment! Great job being so courageous!
Find another alternative and quit ASAP
Good. Do your best
@@njerseydavid It's actually amazing to me to think about that. I've noticed 85% of the customers and almost every manager treats the workers like they are less than human. We are invisible in most peoples eyes. It creates such a low morale work environment where everyone is just miserable daily and that ends up leaking outside of the workplace. Maybe there are grocery stores out there that aren't so toxic but i have yet to see or hear of one. Good luck to anyone in the grocery store business or retail in general. I'm glad i decided to get out.
Quiting is hard at first. But it will be the best pill you ever took.
I'm a software developer, currently senior full stack.
How to get me to not quit my job: pay me more (what I'm owed)
How to get me to quit my job: don't even bother matching inflation, use bullshit "teambuilding" exercises, spend money on "amenities" instead of my salary, focus on "productivity"
Reasons why I have changed jobs in the past: they paid me significantly more than what I was paid in the place I left.
Reasons why I stayed at the current company: they matched the offer I had that would have gotten me to quit, and I get to stay in a place that I kinda like with coworkers I like.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
There's one thing you really messed up on. You accepted a counter offer matching your offer from the company you were wanting to change to. Never accept a counter offer and stay at that company.
@@grimmyxiii9529 why?
@@The_MarTyNi the idea is that now that they know you want to change jobs and you're "unreliable" now, they will be looking to get you replaced asap. Therefore you'll lose both your current job and the offer you got.
Though, if the reasons were purely monetary, I wouldn't be surprised if some employers understood that marching the offer might be just enough for afew more years.
@@tymondabrowski12 why would a company do that? they dont have one benefit from it at all
You have an indemand tough role, you can hop from place to place for more money
Main reasons for me “quiet quitting”
1. Putting in 110% for leadership that barely puts in 50%(but it paid 2-3x what you do)
2. Promotions going to people that were more buddy-buddy with leadership and not that people who worked hard.(if you can’t banter about old 80s movies and music with the older millennials and gen-x staff, don’t expect a promotion anytime soon)
3. Existing pay not keeping up with cost of living. For me, I fought to get my promotion and save almost $50k only still be rejected from apartments without a co-signer.
In order for me to focus on getting a job that’s with a union or pays better, I’ve had to mentally checkout of my current job. It’s sucks cause I know my team can tell and my assistant can also tell but it’s the only way I can keep my sanity at this point.
Promoting people that works hard is counterproductive, why ascending the productive worker? you will lose that productivity, you instead promote the worker that you can trust because you know on a personal level. That is just natural.
@@diablo.the.cheater all while they tell you and society tells you to work hard to get ahead. It's naturall also to realize that doesn't work and stop trying as much
@@diablo.the.cheater ok so i can just manipulate people into a promotion awesome life pro tip thanks man going to learn your favourite films!!!
Nah. You do the best you can at your job for yourself. So you can be proud of the work you've performed for the day. I bet you wouldn't feel nearly as unsatisfied of your life if you did so. And, even if you still did so, then you would have something to be proud about while you look for a better job.
This is where I am at. Setting hard boundaries and it is resulting in butthurt coworkers and management that rely on me going above and beyond, stopping what I am doing to help them because their technical literacy is falling after they have gotten used to having me around. Oh and used up all my PTO as I was in the hospital for covid so I cannot afford to take time off.
I strongly prefer the term "acting your wage". For one, it's a pun, which I love, and for two, it's more accurate than "quiet quitting". To me, quiet quitting sounds like walking out and going no contact with an employer. The usage of the word "quitting" in the phrase is very misleading, as you are still employed.
“Acting your wage” is a great phrase!
Weird that “quiet quitting” means “Quitting being taken advantage of”.
@@MichaelPohoreskigood one!
I have been working in various corporations for 15 years and would like to advise the young people here this:
- working overtime and beyond is in most cases rewarded with additional work
- you are an expense for the company and the stakeholders, which must be kept as low as possible
- leave loyalty in 1960...today's world is different and try to work for your salary
- look for a new job every 2-3 years as that is the only way to guarantee a better salary above 20%+
- coworkers are in it for the money and will do anything to get better, so be careful what you say when drunk or at lunch
Yes, not enough to go above and beyond 3x. Must be the boss's buddy, know the secret handshake. That means, your politics and your social background must match.
Or when drunk at lunch
My whole thing with quiet quitting is that my job basically pushed me into a position where I feel comfortable doing that. In 2020, I was handling customer relations for the startup I work at, before getting sick with a chronic illness. They then hired me an assistant to help me with my job and then a few months later had him take over my duty, putting me in another department (after declining an offer to resign and quit for two months salary) where I do glorified data entry.
So, naturally, I went from actually trying at my job to doing the bare minimum, completing my job within 4 or so hours everyday, and then getting to work on personal projects/be mindful of my health for the rest of the workday since I work remotely and now have no reason to seek extra work. Why would I sacrifice that when my job themselves were so willing to offer me a severance package when I was extremely sick *and* still completing most of my work to the same standard as before? I'm more than happy to do my simple tasks everyday and collect my salary and see no reason to do more than that because I've been witness to the fact that, when I physically break down from doing too much for my body to handle, I'll be shown the door. I remember hearing a quote somewhere that likened workers to machines (something we know every employer does internally). You *can* make a machine work at or about 100% efficiency (overclocking, etc) but you're going to absolutely burn through that machines effectiveness, so most people instead allow machines to work at 60-70% effectiveness so that they don't breakdown. And like, no shit it's the same thing with people
^This: "Hey neat, my company cares about me and got me an assistant, but in reaIity I was assisting in training my replacement." It doesn't matter what the true intent behind hiring an assistant was. A situation like that breeds resentment.
@@HeyNaviHey Just wanted to point out how snide your comment sounds and how that was unwarranted and unappreciated. While you aren't necessarily wrong, the last thing on my mind while I was/continue to be sick with an infectious disease was whether or not my company was being "neat" as you liked to put it. Not to mention there are protections in place that are designed to prevent companies from doing just that, though I'm actually happier in my position now because I'm collecting as much money as I was last year (more thanks to an annual raise actually) while doing half the work.
@@NichePlays Sorry if you feel that way. It was more a generalization of the issue, and in no way intended to reflect your personal views of your company or situation. I don't know you and I got better things to do, than dreaming up your beliefs and personality. Good for you, that everything worked out in the end.
Had something similar happen to me at a job I was with for years. Ended getting put in one department, had to take off a few months because of my health, but when I returned I was just scolded constantly for "not performing" or literally just because my manager could get on my case without any repercussions. Ended up just quitting, no two weeks bullshit. I just walked off because I was sick of it. I came back to work, only get get more responsibilities and then when I am overwhelmed and ask for help, I get denied. I'm sick of being treated like a god damn dog.
@@JoshuaGraves113 I had to have a surgery due to physically being overworked and an underlying issue being pushed to a point of needing surgery. Job physician recommended 6-8 weeks of rest, surgeon 6 weeks then build up, work planned me in again after 3 weeks but on a theraputic basis with only the things I can do. Thus 6-day shifts, even asked for a full week since I only work the rush, less hours but also roughest hours. Since day two they've been pressuring me to ignore doctor's advice, calling me precious and how others recover way quicker. And my colleagues all saw me as the reason they're overworked and I went to the team's punching bag upon my return. We're now 7 weeks in and even though I can do a full task within the team, there's one task I can't... guess what they try to assign me near daily because 'others don't like doing it' which obviously thrumps 'unable to do it, attempting causes a lot of physical pain.' And argueing it daily is becoming harder and harder and I'll admit I fail occasionally, so now my job physician has given me a warning I'm not aiding my recovery... due to what work makes me do.
Meanwhile all my hobbies are on pause, even cooking and cleaning is a bare minimum, I do my exercises as told, because I do care about my recovery. But at work I slowly cave to the bullying... Guess it's soon time to slowly orientate myself towards a different job, even if my options are limited (disabilities) and I love this job and it's practically next to where I live.
I love what he said about how in certain circumstances going the extra mile actually enables others to do less. I've been caught in this situation a lot in group projects where people quicly became reliant on me instead of either doing the same amount of work they would normally do or matching my level of effort and involvment to reach better, more interesting results. It was incredibly frustrating until I realized that I was the one responsible for this situation, and that because of miscommunications I wrongfully assumed that people understood that me working more is me doing more IN MY PART OF THE PROJECT, not doing more of THE PROJECT. It took me 22 years to realize this. Other thing I realized is that just because I'm enthousiast about reaching better results, it does not mean others have to be as well, and it's not a crime if they choose to cut corners and to be a bit less engaged (up to a certain point of course).
i used to work with kids and it really sucked because it was the /kids/ who motivated me to go the extra mile. i was responsible for them for such a big chunk of their day so i wanted to make it a very enriching and safe space. it just stinks that with jobs that involve caring like that i feel employers know you'll try even if they don't pay you well. the intrinsic reward of making a difference is so fulfilling but people in those jobs need to pay bills and take vacations too.
it’s messed up
That's why I told my sis that the trick to happiness in my book is picking a job you like but hate just enough that free overtime doesn't become an issue.
That's why nurses, teachers and other positions that requires care taking are underpaid.
They're in an industry that nobody would pick if they didn't care about other people's well being, and employers know that.
Please don't cut out the silence moments, part of the things that I value about your teachings is that you advocate for slowing things down in a world that tries to speed everything up.
This. I understand maybe needing to shorten the video length for analytics but this was way too noticeable.
I also noticed this in the video, it was a bit jarring I agree.
Totally agree.
its weird af
+1 hard to keep up, way too fast
When you go above and beyond most of the time it goes completely un noticed and unappreciated so it’s best to give the bare minimum, sometimes even less than the bare minimum
I do just enough to not get fired and take shortcuts where I can. I spend the extra time working on myself.
@@ptrcrispy oh don't question it, even if you made them rich as soon as your input is no longer needed to maintain it you're replaceable
Word, did that for almost 20 years before I realized, now I moved back with my parents and am studying to be able to work without destroying my body
I do the minimum and i am in the top 90% of my company.
"Quiet quitting" is just doing what you have been hired to do. If you want me to do more, pay me more, it's that simple. Hard work only pays off if you're REALLY committed into doing something or you're like a business owner.
I dislike the widespread adoption of the term quiet quitting. It seems to me that this is just an excuse for companies and executives to accuse an individual who is establishing boundaries and a healthy work life balance of "quiet quitting". Adopting the term is a tacit agreement by society that "quiet quitting" IS quitting.
Agreed, I shouldn't be kicked out of the company social group. Because, I have boundaries and can't be here all of the time. "You never hang out with us anymore". I never wanted too, while I wanted to be friends with everyone there. I'm not going to let my mangers abuse my kindness because they don't have any one else to rely on. So they'd call me in...but just couldn't do it.
I've been "quiet quitting" for my entire career. It was mandatory in retail (because my corporate overlord didn't want to pay overtime wages) and my current corporate overlord for whom I do IT work used to call it "work/life balance".
Quiet quitting (AKA doing your job) has never held me back professionally, and I wouldn't want to work for any employer that looks at it as a negative thing.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 I almost never did overtime in my factory job. While it didn't win me any brownie points, everyone knew I did my job and did it well, so there were no real complaints anyway.
Wow, super point. Quiet Quitting is Work Life Balance, which companies used to promote and now ignore preferring cheap slave laborers. I brought a buddy into the company and he was ecstatic, until he got shanghaied into another team and dumped on with work way above his pay grade and overtime and massive travel. He managed to get promoted to the appropriate level and I am now trying to get him to "Quiet Quit". He is hesitant over the stigma the term implies. I will get with him tomorrow and pitch your concept that it is just Work Life Balance. THANK YOU MUCH!!!
As an employee, why should we care to do more than minimum requirement if companies don't even give a crap about us? This works both way. Why would a company expect their employees to do more if they don't even care about their employees? Most companies just see employees as dispensable tools. So in that sense, why would an employee do more than they're asked to do? That's like saying you have already gotten an A on a test and your teacher is asking you to get 110 when it barely makes any difference on your overall grade. No companies in this world is worth you giving your time instead of spending them with your family and friends and go above and beyond.
People need to understand that companies don't pay you based on how hard you work, but they pay you based on how hard it's to replace you. In that sense, it doesn't make sense to work hard and do more than asked to do. Nobody wants to stay late at their work when they're supposed to go home on time. Employees don't get paid enough for that kind of crap treatment to stay late and go above and beyond.
If anything, we should be getting 4 days work per week for around 35 hours. That's what they're doing in EU countries, and it shows productivity to be higher and people tend to be happier because they're not being overworked. This whole overworking people is a very toxic environment, and it's what lead to people quitting in the long term.
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look upon them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death." - Sun Tzu
Why is your "flip side" just the exact same view? It should be "Why would companies pay you more or advance you for refusing to go above and beyond?"
I think there is a complete lack of respect for business owners anymore, and if we are wanting to be treated like family then we should probably treat them like family as well. This doesn't justify the bad actions of big business, but I feel like peoples brains just shut off when it comes to thinking about this from both sides. As someone who has management experience and run my own business as well as been the common worker, the average worker has absolutely no idea of what goes into running a business.
@@Puzzlesocks Because companies by default don't give a rat ass about their employees. If you were dead tomorrow, companies would just hire another dude and replace you and nobody would give a crap if you're dead the next day. They'll just say what's expected of them to say on the surface and move on. It's not genuine and fake as hell, and people can tell because it's very obvious. That's why for what employees do, we should never work hard but work smart. Companies don't pay people based on how hard they work but they pay people based on how hard it's to replace you. If you're someone that they can't afford to replace, they'll always offer you way more just to keep you. This happens a lot in big companies, especially places such as Uber, Spotify, etc. And they don't do this because they want to, but because they just can't find a replacement to replace you yet. If you take a counter offer and stay when you were planning on changing job, you should never take the counter-offer since they're looking for someone to replace you because they know you're planning on quitting.
The difference is that when companies actually start treating their employees as a human being, you'll notice the change and they actually won't mind to work more hours for your company. It's often not about the money but it's about how you treat them and show care for them as a human being. And when you do it, it has to be genuine, as in you actually care about them and not some faking crap just to get them to work more. If you don't even give a rat ass about them, why should they give a rat ass about you or the company? That's how relationship works with anyone.
I literally ran into a situation where the CEO was staying late and one of the employees left on time because it was time to go home, and the CEO asked her why was she leaving if CEO was still staying. She said the most logical thing ever, and she said to him, "Are you going to pay me the same as what you're getting to stay late after hours? If you're not willing to do that, then why should I stay late with you?"
If you work for a company that respect their employees' time, you're supposed to be there on time and leave on time. Anything more than that is unreasonable because upper people are just greedy and want to take advantages of their employees and overwork them. I don't deal with that kind of toxic environment with my job, and I had to move jobs to jobs to be in a work culture where people don't give a crap about what we do because everyone know we get shit done when it's needed.
My point is that, when you as the CEO actually decides to visit an employee's home when they're sick or gotten into an accident, then that employee will start to give you the extra mile to help you with more things that's not part of their job. At the end of the day, they're people too with emotions and needs. They are not robots that just work until they're dead and you can just brush it off with some dirty money. When you can realize that, that's where you'll gain something money can never buy, and it's called loyalty.
There's a famous person named Guan Yu from the Three Kingdoms era (222 AD - 280 AD). He was someone that existed in real life at the time. Even until this day, people still pray to his statues and his legacy lives on. People don't pray to him because of his accomplishment of what he did in war or battle, but they pray to him for one reason only, and it's because of his loyalty to his commander called Liu Bei. Liu Bei wouldn't haven been successful either if it weren't for his military general Guan Yu. It's because Liu Bei treated him as his own blood brother that made Guan Yu treated him the same way. And loyalty is something you can never buy with money, at least the real and genuine kind where they don't ask for anything in return. Hence, why I mentioned that quote from The Art of War by Sun Tzu because it's still true today. If you treat your soldiers as if they were your own son, they'll follow you until the end of world.
@@duskshadow25 Holy shit the wall of text that just assumes all business owners are evil and heartless but ends up saying the same thing I did. Respect goes both ways, assuming all businesses are intentionally treating you shitty with no perspective of what shitty treatment actually is just lands you in the land of the ignorant.
I've worked for many small businesses, and on bad weeks I've actually earned more than the boss. It's not good standard practice to assume ill will and therefore forget about ever respecting your boss because that's just going to lead to never having that mutual respect. The respect has to start somewhere, be the better person. If it's never returned then find a better job where it is, or start your own company with that as a primary value.
edit: my whole point on this is basically that people are acting like children expecting bosses to be loving parents that handle all the scheduling, hiring, money management, regulations and maintain this love and respect on a personal level for every worker. It's just unfeasible and people need to grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for their own actions and how they respond within context.
I will also note that I am heavily for more fragmented markets where we have less of these corporate giants with millions of workers where even the slightest possibility of a personal relationship is fantasy. Laissez Faire markets just mean the biggest fish in the pond get even bigger and class mobility suffers because you can't compete on the razor thin margins they can sustain.
@@Puzzlesocks The tables are slowly turning. The first thing that I let my business partners know is that I will be working with them, not for them. No corporate micromanaging BS involved whatsoever. I have my family at home, and I go to work to make money. Simple.
My advice to younger people entering corporate workforce... Or any workforce honestly... Is think of yourself as a mercenary. You aren't part of a corporate family, you aren't there to devote your life to a business, you're there to provide skills and knowledge you have in exchange for money and benefits.
There is much more to life than just your career.
I really hate the term "quiet quitting", because it just sounds like more corporate propaganda. I'm not quietly quitting, I'm doing my job's core responsibilities. Why is just doing what I was hired to do being labeled in the same breath as "quitting"? Its like companies are trying to pin the blame on the employee (yet again), when they're the ones not creating a work environment or compensation structure that motivates the employees to go above and beyond.
Make a list of organizational process "bounties". If you fix problem A, you get a $1,000 bonus; Problem B, $5,000, etc.... I expect they'll be floored by how many people are willing to work when they're actually paid for their initiative.
Instead, they dangling the lie of a raise or promotion in front of you, only for you to hear that "HR/Finance said, we don't have the budget right now for that. Maybe in a few months -- also a new 'extra' project just came in".
Had a boss dangle a job title in front of me, didn't provide any metrics to achieve it, just "work harder". Left shortly.
Quiet quitting : ❌
Act your wage : ✅
👏👏👏 Exactly. We aren’t friends and family, this is literally a business contract.
This was a called in a unionized environment, "work to rule": Do what you need to do to get the job done, do it so that it doesn't have mistakes but don't do more than necessary. I often joked when we heard that, for instance, that the transit system workers are threatening to strike and are currently in a work to rule situation that, at least, the buses will run on time, according to schedule. This means, of course, if you're running for the bus, the driver won't wait because it holds up their schedule.
That ending really struck a chord with me. Used to be a teacher, moved to the tech industry because I hated the educational system's treatment of teachers. The teachers I worked with even said, "Why did you even choose this job?" Initially, I took that as a challenge. But as the years rolled by, I honestly wondered if my colleagues were actually asking me why I got a job in teaching, and why I was still trying to make the effort in being a teacher. It was hard not to take it personally, and I put a lot of identity and pride in being a teacher. Then one day I had enough; I didn't want to be taken advantage of anymore, so I moved on to being a computer technician. My altruism still bites me in the butt at times, but I can confidently say that I enjoy my job.
We really shouldn't call it "quiet quitting". "Quietly quitting" gives off the impression that a person isn't really putting in the effort required of a job. Or that they are somehow doing their job wrong. But in reality it's the exact opposite. "Quiet quitting" is just the mindset of, "I am here to do the work, and just my share of the work as we agreed upon, and then get paid for it. Nothing more."
Many people just want a job that gives a paycheck. But too often do we get into a job that has an atmosphere of "You owe it to the company to give it your best." You don't owe the company shit. As long as you put in your hours, manage your responsibilities and only your responsibilities, and maintain a somewhat pleasant attitude, that's all that should be required of you. Now ofc if you want to actually get somewhere in a company, then yeah you'll have to put in extra effort. But rarely are people actually rewarded for giving it their all, so people naturally stopped trying.
We should really call it something more neutral like "working your wage". If companies actually want employees to put in more effort, then they need to incentivize it. It's funny watching all these corps and managers get upset about employees just doing their job.
But that's exactly why companies call it that. It's intentionally framing the situation in such a way as to imply that people not wanting to do unpaid, uncompensated labor is somehow being "unambitious" or "lazy."
@@johnwalker1058 Thats the point. I know some guys that are only paid for the 8hours, but work like workaholics from 8 in the morning till 6 in the morning....no "thanks", no extra money, all you gain is exhaustion and burnout. If contract says "8 hours from monday to friday, you have to do this and that and get paid for only those 8 hours", then I only do this. Thats how I understood work since I was a kid xD Something that you need to do to finance your living, even though you don't want to do it at all actualy. Nothing more, nothing less.
I used to work a lot harder as a sense of pride and also hoping to gain more compensation from it once the boss noticed (yes I actually told him too and asked for a raise). It didn’t really work that way at my job. I actually then started caring less, doing less and that’s when my boss gave me a raise. It was-I think-to get me to not quit, and it worked. I’m still just doing what I think is the minimum but (un?)fortunately most of the other employees perform a lot worse so I still show up as a competent employee and I no longer get burnout. When we hire someone who tries really hard and does a good job but is stressed out by the boss not paying them more, I tell them to not care so much. It’s not their business to run. Just do good enough and love your life. Strangely, the ones who don’t take that advice and continue to care a lot about their job and keep going above and beyond end up getting fired, bc their asks for a raise bothers the boss and he’d rather have a chaotic mess of a business than actually pay someone to make it run smooth.
Something similar happened to me. I use to work hard do everything they asked to do and went out of my way to act very outgoing when that's very stressful to me. Until I suddenly snapped and realized majority of the other worked in my area did way less cared less and had no pride for what they were doing. I tend started to complain act like b and demand a better schedule. And yeah you're right I get the same amount of recognition and treatment compared to when I worked hard. Now I just do whatever the heck I want that is fair and still do my work without having to worry about anyone around me.
This sounded like a scene from Office Space lol
This is something I needed to hear when I was done with school. I was always told to grind your best way through, so you could work up to any promotions if possible. But even when working 300% somehow I still got fired and others who did the bare minimum somehow were kept. I def learned it's about being friends with the right people. Not being the best worker.
If you're in a job where you're responsible for vulnerable people it's basically impossible to refuse tasks. You don't want a disaster on your hands. The only way to let your voice be heard then becomes walking away leaving the remaining employees with exponentially more work.
Yeah, then all employees should leave at the same time. That's why I want teachers to strike all over the country!
ugh yes. not feeling guilty for leaving the people you were tasked to support is so rough though. Whether that may be for a strike or quitting.
Strikes are necessary sadly even for this. Nurses and teachers strike because this fact is used to pay them so little and burden them so much eventually the stress gets to them and affects their job negatively anyways so striking is the only option to see change as nobody gets a quality service anymore all while stress levels are all time high for everyone
@@ZentaBon it's a huge issue in social work and all sorts of mental health care worker type settings for sure too
Just quit my job as a caregiver for Developmentally disabled people. The management used the old "do it out of the goodness of your heart " nonsense. The agency works off of the hiring mill vs retainment model. The more you do the more they expect. Never a dime more to those that work hard must be their motto.
Beware of companies that say we're "one big family." That's just code for we're going to regularly ask you to do extra stuff.
Yes, worked in a school that ran me into the ground with all the extras. Worked 7 days a week for the entire school year and burnt out bad. Don’t know how I’m going to recover, straight up quit at the end of the school year. leaving the kids haunts me yet staying would have meant hospitalisation or worse as the school wouldn’t allow time during term for medical appointments as they’re understaffed and wouldn’t pay more so I could afford more than rent and some food.
Dr K thank you for pointing out this about the medical profession! I work in the NHS and have always said the NHS runs on goodwill because if they had to pay people for all the extra work they did the whole place would grind to a halt. That’s why I hate it when bean counters and managerial budget busters come along and start saying stuff like no milk for staff or something. I’m like, a nurse will stay and work over or come in early and all she asks for is a cup of tea in which in the grand scheme of things costs 20p for work you can’t afford to pay her. Don’t p*ss people off or you’ll suffer for it!
This isn't a new concept. As Homer Simpson once said, "Don't quit. Just go in every day and do a half-assed job. That's the American way!"
As a teacher….I really appreciate what you said here about how exploited we are in this profession. Yes we do what we do because we care, but we need to eat & pay rent the same as anyone else, & certainly deserve a salary that matches our labor.
Build different streams of income or put the money to work somehow. A job is just one way of making money.
@@cryptojonny6837 For a teacher? Well. I'm not sure but as far as I know about teachers, they need to make lesson plan during the night and teach during the day.
Ofcourse making lesson plan isnt paid at all which is why it was specificially made as an example here. So what u suggested about side hussle might be close to impossible for a teacher
Teaching is not “labor”.
Working 7 months of the year barely qualifies as a real job.
Being abhorrently inefficient and terrible at your job, yet having a protected status through a union hardly qualifies one as having victim status.
Statistics are available. Results have shown teachers to be worse than ever.
@@michaeldalton8374 they're "worse than ever" because they're paid less and are stretched thin at their jobs. it's definitely not as little as "7 months" so you're already bending facts to your viewpoint... And these teachers are working after hours prepping lessons and grading... They could do their jobs better if schools were properly staffed and teachers were properly paid. When you underpay people their performance suffers...
I think it's also a matter of economic situation in general, which is out of the employers hands. You used to be able to put the extra mile in, buy a house and raise a family. Worth it.
Now it's like put the extra mile in to afford rent and little savings instead of just rent. Doesn't really seem worth it.
True. I would just give the money from my raises to my landlord.
And it sucks because there's no law mandating the minimum wage is tied to the cost of food, rent, etc because every time we get more money the price gets raised instantly because there's no law to prevent it it's annoying
Depending on the employer, it could very well be in their hands. You can’t tell me the multi billion dollar corporation that is McDonalds can’t pay a living wage. They can, it just hurts their bottom line.
You're last point about burnout being caused by hardwork against being systemically held back is 110% on the money. Worked at a landscaping and lawn maintenance place and had no issue going above and beyond just for the sake of alleviating the workload from my coworkers (all of whom were hardworkers and great people), the issue came when certain time limit issues for jobs would roll around and we'd end up leaving jobs looking bad despite working our hardest to try and get ahead on it. We only had the negatives of a hustle work culture, very little time off, long days, working insanely hard trying to put the highest quality work out there, only to have some sort of marked scheduling/job time chop the results up to subpar quality at best. I didn't want a raise, but what I wanted at the bare minimum was to have my hard work show in the yards we took care of, when I was being told to head out early because of other jobs or how the schedule was written, that's when I truly felt like quitting.
I've heard the person that doesn't go above and beyond is the one that gets promoted because the employer wants to keep the great people who go above and beyond in the jobs they already have. Keeping the best employees low down and doing the bulk of the work. That's how we all have idiotic managers
I have no idea if that's what's happening at my workplace but we had around 40% of the team leave in a span of 6 months, and most of them were go getters
They offered a promotion to people who have been here for 1 year and work in an average way instead of offering it to people who have been try harding for 15 years in the company
All those guys who have been here for 15 years and who had a choice are now gone and everything is going to shit
That is proven to be fairly true in my international workplace.
@@scottjolteon9033 something similar happened in my work place. We ve had two candidates one who had a degree in business and another who was here for 5 years. Guess what, they gave the promotion to the 3rd employee who signed up for the promotion who gave a sob story of why they desperately needed along with their parents knowing somone who worked in a different location but same company. That's just how it is, connections. 🤷♀️
100%
What I've heard is that people keep being promoted until they reach a position they're shit at, and at that point they stay there. And that's how you end up with bad managers.
That part about "Encourage your employees to take their vacation" feels really relevant to me. To me, taking time off just meant I had less time to get my work done and it stressed me out. Even statutory holidays weren't relaxing to me cause during busier times they just meant I was losing a day to meet my deadlines. Thing is, I was CONSTANTLY ahead of my deadlines, but that just meant I would get assigned to helping juniors keep up with their work. So to me, not only would taking breaks mean less time for me to do my own work, (in the event that I fell behind) but that also meant the juniors would be left with more work than they could handle.
Now that I've had a substantial amount of time off and had a chance to really just process it all, I see where I was putting too much burden on myself. In a couple ways I was creating stress for myself by assuming that the juniors really needed my help. In some cases they'd contact me to thank me for the help, but it's possible in other cases that my supervisors were just trying to keep me busy. I wasn't clarifying that what I really wanted was to take the extra time that I had to polish the work that I'd already submitted. I should also have understood that if I had scheduled time off, that my workload would be adjusted to compensate. Work that would be assigned to me would get handed to other senior team mates for the time I would be away. It's literally someone's job to manage the scheduling when that happens.
When I finally burned out and quit I had over 160 hours of vacation time banked up. (That thankfully I got paid out in the end.)
But yeah. "Encourage your employees to take breaks" doesn't mean anything if they don't ever feel like there's a reasonable time to actually do it.
The thing managers need to realize is that the biggest productivity boosters are Respect, Trust and Morale.
*money
and a live-able wage. If you want your employees to be productive, pay them fairly. Pay them an amount that allows them to live and excel in life. If you're living paycheck to paycheck, you're not getting paid enough. It's that simple. There's a few exceptions where the person is irresponsible with money and live beyond their means, but the vast majority ARE responsible and STILL cannot survive. It's disgusting.
Don't forget fair compensation.
Absolutely yes. Don’t be a slave to fucking capitalism. Trust me, 99 percent of the time it wouldn’t be worth it and if it was, good for you, but that’s survivorship bias. You want a raise? Most likely the best thing is to leave your job for somewhere else.
Going to work somewhere else for better pay is key in capitalism. Companies only thrive with coworkers that are willing to do their best and a better salary is a very good incentive to do so. If they don't, companies go broke.
@@VVabsa yup, and imho that system of pitting people in a rat race is cruel. Ethics aside, my advice is for individuals so they don’t get chewed up by the awful system.
It's not the fault of capitalism lol. If you listened to the video and actually read into some things, you'd have heard and seen that taking care of your employees yields greater productivity and profit. Thus capitalism would incentivize treating your employees well and rewarding them as you gain more. You can have a meritocracy in a capitalist environment, they aren't mutually exclusive.
@@DrDipsh1t yes, that’s a recommendation for business owners in an ideal world but we don’t live in a child-like version of real life. Mine, and many others, advice are for working class people now.
@@DrDipsh1t capitalism is always turned into a game of revolving doors for rich people. they take wealth from everyone else and just circulate it through small pools of specific people to retain familial control of large portions of every possible market. its no secret. thats basically the standard eurocentric strategy
6 years in IT at a corporate Japanese bank. Worked my butt off for 3 years before the pandemic for no increase in pay or promotion. Started doing only what I get paid for and now I’m below their expectations. Tired of trading my life for a meaningless job.
TLDR: My one piece of advice as a veteran especially to the younger generation is don't join the military.
I was active duty until last year. We have an evaluation every year and in order to get a good evaluation to have a better chance of being promoted (in the Navy you take a test. You have to meet or be above the cutting score or else you're sol) or being meritoriously promoted you have to do more than what's required of you.
You have to do your job and that's the bare minimum. You also need to have community involvement, volunteer on your off hours. Command involvement, being involved in various clubs (think like school clubs), going to college, you also need to work outside of your current job (like if you're a dental assistant you need to go work with the medical assistants somehow), you need to get different qualifications even if you aren't going to use them, you need to volunteer for TAD and /or deployment and get the qualifications you can only get when you're on deployment (and be away from your fam for 6+ months). You have extra military work depending on your rank such as if you're an E5 going for E6 (basically assistant manager to manager) you need to already be doing and acting as if you're a manager and playing the game of politics that comes with the military. And much more. If you're doing a quiet quitting you are going to be looked down upon very harshly and if that reflects on your evaluation for the test you aren't going to get promoted. It's an extremely cutthroat job where most people are out for themselves and only see themselves and wanting to advance themselves even though especially as your average enlisted member you'd get paid more working in fast food or retail.
My husband is active duty currently, he had so much vacation time on the books that he had over 30 days of use or lose days. Meaning if he didn't use an X amount of days then it was going to go poof. His work at the hospital prevented him from doing that as they were telling him and saw he had use or lose days. He was able to take SOME time off but they would have balked if he tried to take ALL of his use or lose days. So he ended up losing over 20 days.
These are some of the things the recruiters aren't going to tell you and a lot of the older veterans will make it seem like their time was sunshine and rainbows. With workers wanting to have fair wages, be treated better, etc especially among young people being in the military is the worst place that you can be because the military does not care and most of the people who are higher up care even less. And if you're burnt out? They'll say they can't do anything about it and you need to get back to work or go to mental health where there's a 6 month wait period.
The big difference is that being in the military is different from working for a corporation. While government will use going above and beyond to allow promotions. At some jobs there is no guarantee of a promotion. So what end up happening is people just get stuck in the same position and the same wage for a long time. That can lead to burnout and dissatisfaction with one job.
This is an interesting topic, especially in light of more remote work opportunities. In my experience in the workforce, it comes down to great leadership. My workplace energy has changed as my personal life has changed. Can't stay at the office as late when there's a family at home waiting for me. I've been fortunate that my good bosses have recognized the change and are understanding. 🤙
Why is someone simply "DOING THEIR JOB" considered quitting?! Wtf? I have rarely heard somethign more toxic in the past few years.
If you don't do more than your jobs ask form you on paper you are effectively not even working but quitting? WHAT.THE.FUCK?!
"i can work 30 hours in a day" *employers spam calling his phone because they realize they can extract more profit out of drk than the average human because he can access time dilation to add hours to the day*
In several jobs I’ve gone above and beyond and what happens is other people slack off and you have to continue to pick up that slack for the same pay you started with. Don’t ever start, just do exactly what you’re told to do and how you were told to do it. Don’t waste time trying to optimize or make something faster, you’ll just give yourself more to do.
We're expected to find and implement 3+ optimizations to the existing processes used at our company, and those are presented and reviewed annually.
I'm a marketer and that little popup at 7:23 in the bottom left made go right to your website and pre-purchase the module. Very impressed with your systems, they tick a lot of boxes when it comes to direct response principles
some people will laugh but it is wage slavery. I feel like people are more aware than ever that they're slaves. You spend 60-70 years (if you're lucky to live that long) to work until you can spend 10 years to "relax" and that only happens if you're an insanely successful or pretty highly successful person, taxes are draining and diminishing retirements and we're in a situation where people are fed up with working and offering a higher level/standard of work, but getting no reward for it.
Most people don't do this
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437, most people 100% do.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of problems around standard working practices that need to be addressed, but another huge problem contributing to this is horrible financial knowledge. It's not that hard to retire early on a modest income (ie, retire after 20 years working a job that pays 45k a year). However you have to save and invest consistently, which almost no one does because they don't know where to put the money.
Raising wages also doesn't help if people don't know how to save, which is why about half of earners who make over 100k a year still live paycheck to paycheck.
Index funds are the best vehicle in history of gaining wealth, so definitely use them if you want to retire at all.
I agree but it isn't taxes that's doing it, rather we're having a hard time getting politicians to legally mandate some bare minimum standards like a minimum wage tied to the cost of living and free healthcare so small employers don't have to waste money paying for insurance and can instead pay their employees more money, more easily and compete more effectively with big corporations
@@La0bouchere "Past performance is not indicative of future performance"
We got to quiet quitting because employers respect simping over qualifications and ability. Yes the working hard scale exists, but if you have a movie star like presence people will promote you just from that alone.
Pay more and we’ll quiet quit less. I make the same after working at a job for 4 years as someone who just started. Fuck that. Lol
Quit if you're worth more.
employers dont encourage you getting raises. the person in charge of your raise doesnt even work with you. This is why going to a new company will always be more effective for gaining more money. 'oh there base pay is 20k more than my current pay' while also your current employer pays you the same as new employes saying 'we given you a raise.'
as an ex-manager I've seen employees that have been in the location for years, commonly get paid less than new employees. Then we all question why they quit but someone doing half the work is being payed more.
@@grandarchon6969 Already did this morning. 👍
@@theglassarrow_ solid advice. :)
@@thenwordpolice6982 Good luck on your next job.
So true on so many levels:
We spend so much time lecturing employees on "work ethic" and "maintaining their mental health" that the so called HR and Managers of this world do not take notice of Employee's current motivation levels. Schedule more One to One meetings, give employees more work benefits and "communicate" more. That's the problem with these higher ups - they need to take notice.
I worked at FedEx Ground for 8 years, applied for 4 different manager positions and have been considered the most productive individual on the dock for my shift for many of the years I spent there. The problem arises that managers develop cliques and promotions are considered based on their social beliefs over workplace efficiency. I focused on the latter, and they didn't appreciate the pressure (that is inherent of a managerial position considering your job is to maintain a company standard, not your own) that I applied to them as a package handler. It was a simple case of, "If you don't slurp their sauce, you can't be a boss."
Oh, and the person who was chosen over me for the last one was caught doing hard drugs in the bathroom. Just a nibble for ya (And no I will not remove my comment, this is a factual statement and FedEx should wear it as a badge of honor)
If there's no reasonable way to get promoted, quiet quitting makes sense
Little story. I went on bereavement leave, was the only person working my position (software technician) for a entire building of a billion dollar semiconductor company. Come back, I was given 4 trainees, never seen anyone get more than 1. All were making more money than I was, one was even making %30 more than me. These people were there for about 6 months, I was working there for over 2 years. I was asking for help for 9 months because I was having to manage fixing software issues on over 30 machines, as well as making sure everything was finished for new machines coming in. It took a family member passing away to actually get help. But that came with training 4 people at once and being pressured to do so. Talked about it with management, they didn't care at all. When someone passes away there is a LOT of work to do, so I had to have a meeting with a lawyer. I was told all legal issues I need to attend to are excused and I am good to miss work if needed. I had PTO, I wasn't breaking any policies, notified them that I had to have the meeting, have proof of the meeting. Was fired. Less than a few hours later, already was accepted at a new job (didn't take it). At a fucking gas station, that would give me 40+ hours, and only pay me a dollar less. I will never bust my ass thinking I will be appreciated for hard work and rewarded. The good take away is I can work at almost any company in the industry and get paid way more.
I work at a hospital and I’ve been “quiet quitting” for almost a full year at this point. I was going above and beyond to try and help everyone out, and they would still pile on extra work onto me despite me biting off more than anyone else was. So everyone kind of just gave me their work because they knew I would go and do it. So I no longer do anything and only do the work that is handed to me lol
I think this is interesting as it definitely highlights the fact that Dr. K has never actually worked a regular job.
Here is how it has been for my entire life in regular jobs: 80% of the people there are doing the bare minimum, 10% are new people trying not to get fired, and 10% are striving for a promotion (going above and beyond). Almost everyone is just chilling at these jobs (in the sense that doing any less would be neglecting their duties) I have NEVER, across over a DOZEN employers in my lifetime, witnessed a situation where it was the "norm" to go above and beyond.
In fact I've always been one of the guys to 'go above and beyond' to aim for promotions, my 'going above and beyond' virtually never resulted in more work hours. It was sacrificing time where I was doing nothing and chilling during work hours, for doing extra work/learning/etc. I always got recognized for it.
My first 'career path' job I ever had I didn't put a SINGLE hour beyond 40 per week in, and yet I was able to do 2-3 TIMES the work of the other guys. I'm not saying they were lazy or that they should've been working harder. I'm saying that if going 'above and beyond' was the 'baseline' at companies now that wouldn't have even been possible. This was true of virtually every employer I ever worked for. I actually had some jobs where I was lazy af and would still get praised for my 'hard work', companies where I would basically do 10-15 hours per week and they'd mention how I was decimating everyone else in performance.
Again, not trying to brag. I'm just pointing out that if what so many people are saying was true I wouldn't have been able to do that. I'm far from some genius or something, I'm a normal guy.
This isn't to discount other people's experiences at their company, I'm sure there are companies out there like this. I'm sure there are even industries like this, such as the medical field, legal field, etc. But by and large generally the fields where that is the norm, they are already getting a salary that goes 'above and beyond' already lol.
“The person who goes above and beyond gets the promotion” is such an oversimplification and not necessarily true. Politics play into it. Hard workers aren’t necessarily rewarded but are sometimes even given more work for no extra money or benefits. Hence the reasonable reaction of “quiet quitting.” Besides, work should only be part of one’s life, not their entire life. Most employers ultimately won’t appreciate extreme dedication anyway.
People decide to "quietly quit" as much as I decide to have a depression. Let me get my planner. Yep. Tomorrow starting at 2:37 pm we are having it.
Lol too true
people do actively choose to act their wage though - sometimes it's physically necessary due to burnout, but the point IS that it is an active choice now, people are choosing to do less on a logical basis rather than it simply happening as a result of their current physical and mental condition. Quiet quit (act your wage) BEFORE you're burnt out. Just stop doing extra now, and save yourself from the shutdown later.
Doing a job is a trade. You give something and while you do it you may gain different things like salary, experience, skills, connections etc...
The simple thing is that different people value their time/effort differently but things to manipulate people such as “duty” or “commitment” are luckily fading out. Societies have changed.
If a company is able to build their values, mission and image in an honest way that also resonate with the people, then maybe things such as “duty” could be brought back.
Unfortunately, the sad thing is that all of the companies nowadays are based only on one thing, and that is “profit”.
If the only thing a company can offer to its employees is money compensation and that does not meet the peoples’ counter offer then of course such deals will fail.
Many companies really need to step down from their high horse and think logically, the job market is what it sounds like, it is a market for doing trade. There do however still exist companies who live in the Middle Ages and see the trade as “slave trade”.
It’s not quiet quitting and it’s not the bare minimum. It’s doing the work you are paid or contracted to do. It’s drawing healthy boundaries and sticking to them.
This term has become the newest buzzword to try and manipulate a narrative so that our culture continues in a direction where exploitation of employees’ time, energy, and goodwill is the norm.
I find this whole debate about quiet quitting really weird. Feels more like media is trying to make employees look like they are not doing what they are supposed to do (although that's really not the point of the article Dr. K read).
Sometimes, the extra effort is just not worth it. To use myself as an example: I'm a senior programmer at a large tech company and that's a pretty sweet position to be in. I get to push hard when I feel like it, or just do the amount of work that is expected of me. I have no interest in getting promoted to higher levels because, even though the money is good, part of the expectation is that I'll just have to sacrifice my personal life to sustain that. I have other things I value in my life and I'm comfortable with what I make and the impact I can produce.
Weird to think of that as quiet quitting. I think of it more as knowing that I have enough.
I've worked in several places in the past where I had gotten passed up for permanent hire or promotion. I've seen my boss in my current job go above and beyond, and they even got passed up for promotion twice in favor of bringing in someone off the street.
I never liked "hustling" since it opens people up to having their time and effort be taken advantage of. My limited lifespan is worth more than that, and this is why I "quiet quit".
I feel so seen at 00:14:14 - I teach teens with disabilities and mental health issues. I am burning out, not for my bosses, but for my students, because they hardly get the help, support, and stability they deserve.
14:45 - really interesting point here. Not only do people get indignant when people in these altruistic jobs try to advocate for themselves, they're also often vilified when they DO speak up. Every time teachers go on strike, I hear (usually older) people complaining about how 'teachers are holding the children hostage'. They don't care about the fact that many teachers have to work additional jobs to make ends meet. They don't care about the fact that most teachers are taking money from their already comparatively low salaries to make sure they've got classroom materials. They don't care about the fact that most teachers work 7 days a week because of the amount of work they take home in lesson prep, grading, classroom maintenance, education planning, educational workshops, meetings (which are almost always outside of 'regular work hours')... nah. "teachers have it easy and how dare they hold the kids hostage."
It's not just the "go above and beyond" inflation imo. In many countries It's also about the money. They might offer a relatively good salary, but when you think about it, you can't build a house in a million years. Meanwhile our parents were able to by working shitty jobs 20 and 30 years ago. Now everything is expensive and salaries are not reflecting that. So why would i work overtime and try to show my boss that I'm a good boy.
It's all about compensation. The rest of the stuff are just side issues
For me, all I want is appreciation. Even if it's just verbal. I work in an automotive factory, and we have mandatory overtime because we are currently struggling to meet production goals/customer demands. This results in us only having 4 days off per month (every other weekend). On top of this, my job is very physically and mentally taxing--I am in a management position where I work. One time one of my colleagues who does the same job as I took an entire week off. There were scheduling mistakes for the work weekend, where I was going to be off and so was she, so there was going to be no one to do our jobs except some lower level, less experienced assistants. I decided to bite the bullet and come in on my days off (which I knew would result in me working 3 weeks straight) and not one single person said thank you. I didn't want a medal of honor or anything, but I think what I did deserved several thank yous from both the assistants and my supervisor, because if I hadn't done this, my department would have crashed and burned for those two days. But I got not one single tiddlywink of appreciation. Therefore, from now on, I will give not one iota extra.
Another take on Effort Inflation (3:02):
The problem with old systems is that when someone goes above and beyond in hopes of getting up the corporate ladder, managers instead use them as the standard for everyone to follow. Over time, those who cannot keep up with the person going beyond get kicked because of their "low performance" relative to the overachieving employee, and the overachieving employee gets burned out because his efforts are for naught.
Loving the deep-dive into "quiet quitting" and hustle culture! This video captures the essence of a needed shift in workplace ethos. Bravo!
friendly reminder that none of this would be an issue if the minimum employees were allowed to be paid was above the cost of living ;)
That's a whole other can of worms as that would lead to inflation very quickly
There are things we can do to reduce our own costs of living, like getting roommates or not eating fast food
@@VForceWave we are in inflation now and they havent even raised wages lmao why i hate these "finance bros"
Tie it by law to the cost of living
@@VForceWave if you tie it by law to the cost of living it will not inflate unnecessarily because businesses can't charge more without the wages going up so it would actually halt it if they were tied together by law
@@VForceWave even if it did lead to inflation, if wages kept up with it, then it would cancel itself out. as it is, inflation is still occurring, but wages aren't keeping up, and this isn't sustainable. this is how you get riots and revolution and guillotines.
In the company I work on, they straight up came to us in a meeting with HR that "working more doesn't necessarily mean you'll get a promotion or raise" but they never clarified the rules of the game. Ever since then, they have entire sectors of the company working the absolute minimum, and I do the same.
Plus, if you work extra hours, you don't get anything from it, because all you can do with the extra hours is take days off. Not only that, on some holidays, they force us not to work, but will subtract the hours out of our hour banks anyways. There's just absolutely no incentive, not even a career plan service. Absolutely wild, bro.
The only reason I'm still here is because I can keep on doing the bare minimum here and still get a salary (as small as it is) while working on making my side hustle viable
Wow if they company mandated pto you shouldn't be able to take the hours accrued that seems like it either is illegal and I don't know or really should be
We should have mandatory paid days off extra tho, like in Europe 4 weeks paid vacation mandated by law with no penalty to use it
(population 448 million) even if you work at a gas station, as long as you're full time you're entitled to this 4 weeks off every year minimum.
@@ZentaBon Yes, it is very much an ilegal practice. They give the 4 weeks minimum, but the unpaid extra hours are still ilegal in my country
Yep, so sick of trying to figure out the rules of the game. Its very hard for neurodivergent people to get this stuff. I have also worked positions in which we had holidays mandated off but they took our pto
No I'll announce it with a loudspeaker
BASED
do it
As a program manager for 20 years, this should be required listening for all managers. Exceptional content!
we used to have a bonus system at the company, where the top employees would get a cut of the profits. Covid came, and along with it the bonuses were cut out, along with subtle threats that we were expendable. The leadership talked about how they were taking pay cuts, but then the owner got a 3rd Ferrari and the company had record profits, and we still got nothing back. that's when i started to quiet quit.
A really clear way to see it is productivity against health / well-being. If it's a screaming emergency, like your future is on the line, you can do short sprints of that. The problem is if you're doing super hero work for the sake of survival over the course of years, it can do damage not only to your health but who you are as a person. This is where you can weigh, on one hand, covering responsibilities to a fair degree and on the other hand letting yourself be treated like a piece of meat or a human fuel rod to be burned. You might genuinely be in a position where through some bizarre cosmic alignment there's no one you can successfully confront about the issue, I would say I found myself in that position recently (2018 thru 2021) and it was an overall net negative but... I did play Atlas, I did keep he roof from caving in, I just really hope I'm never called on to do something as absurd as that again (especially if it's all stick and no carrot).
As a teacher, I can’t thank you enough for noticing how much we get taken advantage of for our love of the children
We do, it’s insane.
At my company, if you go above and beyond, you get stuffed with more work. So it's actually a negative motivation to go above and beyond, you get punished with more work. Eventually you get pushed to take a "promotion" where you you get maybe a 15% pay increase, but you get more than 100% more work to do. Love the corporate slavery structure. I work in an Asian company and this seems to be the culture where top management is located in Asia and they make the decisions, even if the company is in the US.
As an altruist, I can confirm we're being overworked. I had psychopath manager at my previous job who pushed a little too far, so I quit, and he got fired 1 month later
my workplace is so toxic, they give out raises after we have a mass exodus of employees. instead of giving raises based on your worth/value, you get it just to keep you in longer.
I am the founder of a small company. And this company is my dream. And the first the first 3 years, I had a massive amount of employees quitting/being fired. And for a moment it was a process for me to become a better manager. When I started my business, I had a couple of good people that I managed very poorly, and they left.
And another moment, I had people with 'potential', but I didn't taught them well enough because I left them too independent, and cause problems and lead them to be fired.
Currently I already accepted that I don't need to 'sell my dream' to others. My goal is to give them a good meaningful time teaching them skills. Give them different experiences as a team, until it is time for them to move on.
The people I hire are young and at their first jobs....and I don't want them also wasting their life on a 'monkey job'. I still need them, but I also need them smart, learning and eventually seeking better things in the future.
If they want to stay, I rather they stay because they really want a future here. Not because they think they cannot get anything better....
And I am hopeful that they (and I) can become better people by giving them more value and attention.
Paying them more helps too
It's good you're willing to look inward if things aren't good good actually I appreciate that a lot and I really hope your dream business gets far
I think you should communicate and ask how long do they see themselves working in your company? What are their long term goals? What are their dreams? What do they want to gain or benefit out if this work? These are questions asking during interviews ofc.
@@SemekiIzuio how many people answer honestly to the question of "where do you see yourself in 5 years" answer as "a manager, higher position or excessively high" you are egotistical, "looking for options" mans no commitment, and a slew of other words that any respecting person can see right through. the age old "what are your strengths and weaknesses" are just to see if you evaluate yourself acceptably and if you prepare, if you cant answer these filler questions most interviewers will wear a chip on their shoulder because they can make or break you at that moment. once you realize the game is political then you can work around the bullshit, make connections, network, know the RIGHT people. most jobs going through hiring firms ensure the applicant has what skills above all? SOFT SKILLS, something surely lacking in the current
snobbish ICT and STEM climate.
with many professionals looking down on others and ego's through the roof it is no longer applicable to keep your head down and rise through the ranks, because at the end of the day regulation or not employers and more importantly employees have their preconceived biases and opinions on others, even more so in such a cutthroat environment in which they pull themselves up at the cost of everyone else. most good companies end up with amazing managers which consist of the few that have dealt with this shit and stick their back out with the intention of protecting their team.
nowadays that self respect and more importantly integrity is lost amongst most middle management staff as they have NO clue what goes on in their department past KPI's and efficiency metrics, look at managers who have risen to that role doing the very job they oversee. programming team lead or managers are completely USELESS if they majored in business and cant spot bullshit programmers from a mile away, most people in these roles are either outliers, shook hands or faked it till they made it and in which case you can most likely assume the group in which i believe are actually successful.
in such a fucked work climate it only makes sense as to why people jump shit to new companies as it gives them a fresh start as well as knowing the company they now work for gives enough of a shit to pay their workers a reasonable salary.
sad times.
@@flareshift1 yeah I'm not reading the rest. We are talking about young adults fresh out of highschool who are still a bit naive and honest for a small home company. If it where experienced adults in a larger scale company that is a whole different deck. I will not deny people lie ofc but when interviewing asking further if they are going to college and what they are studying for how long etc to know the person further will ease in a bit on the honesty
Spot on with burnout not being about laziness. The exact opposite as you said
I've written down so many things for my employer as per her request. Addressed THE SAME PROBLEM for 6 months telling them "this is why the numbers are low". 6 months later a "consultant" was hired to say the exact shit I was saying.
You're right. I burned out after that. For trying to do a good job. Really is bizarre. Now i just clock in and clock out. I've been shown my voice isn't 'important' enough even though I'm 1 of 2 employees that run the store.
Often times for myself it’s always doing the most and never being compensated. I always try to do more because I want to move up, but I have to sacrifice my life to the company or I can just seek elsewhere knowing I can always get compensated more.
It's actually a very complex issue.
A huge problem is that a lot of companies have no way of measuring or noticing when people are objectively going above and beyond. Often you literally rub their noses in it to notice, which can have a negative effect. Which also means asskissing can get you further than doing a great job. So managers aren't really managing. And that's because they're also doing a job besides managing, and it's often too much.
Another big problem is that managers/bosses/owners can't really process when an employee says "my job became too much, it's not possible for me to do it in this much time". This more often than not ends badly for the employee, and by the time the employer realises that the former employee was correct, well, they're already a former employee.
There's also no time for communication between employers and employees, and honest talks about company management is avoided by the employer and very risky for the employee. You can be the best manager there is, but there will still be things that your employee notices that you have no idea about. Similarly employees are often not aware of the higher working of a company, which can lead to discontent. If they get extra workload for a legit reason, but they don't know that reason, their first assumption can be shitty management.
I think quiet quitting is a very misleading and useless term. For starters it has nothing to with being quiet or quitting. But more importantly it's not the employee who "quits" on the job, it's the company who already "quit" on the employee, and the employee only acknowledges that and adapts.
I like your insights on mental health but I can't get behind some of the things here. In America at least, the working class has been pushed into further and further into poverty, the only reward for going above and beyond has been more work and those who network get promoted, not those who work harder. It's clear to see the value in my labor towards the company but the company does not monetarily compensate for the extra effort, so the solution is to work to rule, stop going beyond contracted work because the only outcome is more labor for me, no extra pay, no promotion. Maybe the company will give me a good review and I will get a 3 cent raise instead of a 2.....
Bingo! The adage is still "it's not what you know, it's WHO you know"
Raises and bonuses are nice but that really assumes the primary relationship between the employee and employer is financial. Which many times it is. But you can always reward high performers by allocating them work they enjoy. It may not work for all industries but if you can tailor an employees work towards something they are passionate about it's a significant boost to productivity. More than a once a year bonus.
Can we talk about false expectations in academia/professional school also? I'm a med student, and I understand that as a job that directly deals with human lives, we do have to go out of our comfort zone at times. But the amount of bs I hear about all the sh*t that residencies require...first of all, I'm not attending med school to impress anybody or go "above and beyond," I'm here to simply learn how to help people get better and not let them die, to put it bluntly. Also, I know it's "professional" school, but ultimately, I'm here to learn, not burn myself out by staying way too many extra hours at shifts to impress my attendings and professors or by competing with gunners by studying more that 12 hours a day (in all honesty, unless it's the days leading up to the exam, I probably didn't do more that 4-5 hours of studying outside of lecture, other days less if there was other stuff going on. Plenty of days I was burnt out or dealing with mental health sh*t so I didn't do much at all).
There's this ridiculous culture in med school that is even promoted by a ton of students on focusing too much on overworking and impressing. I see a bunch of ppl who will get involved in 10 different orgs, be leaders for several of them, and work in multiple research jobs so they can impress residencies. I don't understand where they even find the time bc I'm barely able to keep up with the ridiculous amount of info we ingest everyday. Also, a lot of ppl in med school already have connections that others (like me) do not coming in, so to even get some of these opportunities outside of class is difficult. Of course, I get involved in stuff if I'm interested, but the truth is, I'm focusing more on simply doing what is required and not becoming so burnt out by the time I graduate that I perpetuate the toxic environment present in a lot of medicine. To me, I think I'll do more benefit to future patients if I spend more time while I have the opportunity to do so as a student to take care of myself and mental health and focus mainly on what's most important for me to know to help people. Everything else really just comes with time and experience. I know there are quite a few ppl in medicine who think like me (including probably Dr. K himself), but I wish there were more.
I enjoy HealthyGamer and Dr. K for their perspectives, advice, and great content. A lot of what has been posted and shared I have been able to make of value in my life. Today, however, I made a decision that put me on a step back to better mental health:
I made the poor decision to read youtube comments, thinking I might find some other good perspectives to the video.
Lesson once again learned: don't read the comment section. No one ACTUALLY cares for the impact of their public words.
Yeah it turns into a lot of venting.
@@Jaigarful yeah with this mindset I could actually properly learn not to take twitter so literal. It's just a vent, where people go to vent about venting, then get mad and vent more, then get madder and vent and vent and it's all just angry
This video still does not address one of the main problems that I’ve also seen and personally experienced. It does not truly address why people are not taking vacation time: we simply cannot afford to. Many/most employers do not offer any sort of time off compensation, so work missed is money missed. Many of this working generation are living from paycheck to paycheck. Simply put, time at work missed is income lost. Income lost is not something that we can afford to do. Again, a major problem. And even if one gets paid time off, most don’t account for people functioning with sickness or disability. I began a new job nearly a year ago. When I started I had 120 hours of paid leave. Due to constant illness, I used up the entirety of it in about nine months. My doctors appointments and health issues have not stopped, yet again, time away from work = wage lost. I don’t live extravagantly by any means. I have a few small simple bills and barely enough wages to cover it. That may seem extreme, but it’s also a harsh reality for many/most in the workforce
There is not a clear structure where I work. There are boundaries crossed constantly but by people barely above me and there isn't a clear person to say "hey, no, I'm not doing that" and it's super freaking frustrating.
Kinda weird that companies would be structured in a way that is dependent on there being employees that do more than they're getting paid for. Wonder where the profit from the extra extracted value goes... 🤔
It's more that there's a bell curve of employee performance, and the pay is at the average point. The hard workers carry the others. The profit goes to the wages of the slackers.
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 Good point! I had a bad experience with sales in my early 20s and it soured my view of corporate higher ups. Realistically it probably does vary a lot from company to company. Sometimes it goes to paying those who do less than they're paid for, sometimes it goes to further development and innovation that increases value to the consumer and or employees, but unfortunately it also sometimes goes to padding the wallets of corporate executive's w/o doing either of the former.
You hit the nail on the head regarding vacations - I really find sometimes that it's easier to *not* take vacations! :(
The whole "quiet quitting" thing ticked me off when I first saw it pop up. Heaven forbid people just do what they are hired to do. I imagine these are the same people who believe that "nobody wants to work anymore" rather than reflecting on why this is happening in the first place. I think COVID helped people realise their worth and what really matters to them and I'm glad to see it. I know so many of my peers (early to mid 20s, many of them recent university graduates) quit jobs that made them miserable and either had terrible management or they were expected to go "above and beyond" for minimum wage while getting abused by customers. And now those people are either working at places that treat them better or they've started their own business and are much happier.
Great video as always. That talk about time off hits close to home. Been at my company for 3 years and I've only taken 2 days off that weren't due to being sick. If I take off 1-2 weeks, I'm coming back to 1-2 weeks of extra work. It's quite the dilemma.
Boomers have been quiet retired since pdfs came out, yet young people working their job descriptions are the problem...
I worked at a company that had a service a few million people used. I was a support engineer, so I went through escalation data, user reports, help desk, forum scrapes, stuff like that and had to escalate stuff to individual teams, if it was a team thing, or have to get a presentation together for higher ups and make pretty charts with a *lot* of colors, so that they would even sorta look up from their phone.
Or system had a wonky back end so connectivity was the biggest issue we had, which made total sense; if you can't use our product to do what you need to do, obviously that is gonna be the biggest issue with it. So, for my first presentation I went over the support issues we had, what I had done in the "short term" to ameliorate it, broken down issues in to sub issues, explained how our wonky back end could open us up to attacks, ddos, all sorts of stuff like that.
They looked at me and stated; "we know connectivity is the number one issue, we have decided to not make any changes, do not include it in future presentations". I have *never* been made to feel so underappreciated at a job as I did in that moment "yeah, we know what the problem is, keep doing your hand waving at them about us looking in to the root cause of these issues and only give us the small stuff".
I worked at Worst Return. terrible electronics store, I worked as a member of Side Show Employee Detachment, was the only person that could actually fix the computers and was paid the least on the team, my co-workers and bosses treated me like trash, but at least I got thanked by the customers, so there was *some* value in my work, but even that job did not make me feel as bad as when I was simply told to not bother to tell people what the problems are anymore..
Side note the job at the electronics chain actually gave me mild ptsd, so now whenever I smell/hear common scents/or songs that were played on repeat in the store, I have a mild panic attack.
They just want to solidify their position by giving the promotion to the people who they think will fit in their own clique, and someone who doesnt challenge their own position.
You're assuming motivation here, and there's no where you can go with that assumption.
I generally believe people do try to be fair, but we naturally favor those we get along with/ are more alike. Promotions normally come alongside requirements to communicate more with other management, and they kindof go hand in hand.
So many points made here make sense. I put in extra hours, hit or exceeded deadlines (things that even upper management sees), and took on tougher projects for around 4 years. First promotion was after 1 year, then hit a wall. Basically told that the only way to get farther is to be hired as a senior or if someone leaves (they only ever have 1-2 senior positions). My manager really does 3 jobs at once; the job of a manager that left, his job before that promotion, and one we needed to fill for a long time. He's a year older than me, similar to the rest of the department. So, I have no control on advancement with a manager that wants to help, but struggles to stay afloat.
The company finally did a survey and found employee satisfaction was lower than expected. Meanwhile, if the company has a rough year, regardless of your performance, you get a fixed increase less than inflation. I was honest to upper management and said it's about not having effort result in anything. The response was that it's unfortunate, but that's just how it works.
Not quiet quitting would be the more shocking result. I also actually quit at some point, but quiet quitting makes the job go from terrible to amazingly easy. If effort isn't rewarded, it's usually the case that very little effort isn't punished.
It's a really freaking sad day when refusing to do work you're not paid to do is considered "quitting."
There is another excellent post here describing the term as being invented by corporations as a sort of derogatory description of the strategy. What it actually is should be titled "acting your wage."
I think that my issue is that, in my field, I have a few conflicts. Conflict number 1 - I am bored at my current position. Not because I have nothing to do or I'm not being challenged, but because I don't find the work interesting or fulfilling in any way. Conflict number 2 - moving up will put me in a position where I will have to do a job that I hate more and will undoubtedly affect my mental health. Conflict number 3 - I have a better job that I want to do with my current skill set, but people who have that job aren't compensated adequately, and the working conditions are garbage.
So, my solution is to work this boring job that I don't like to earn my living and keep my medical benefits that I need, and pursue my passions on the side. It's not ideal for either party because every job I go into I'm automatically "quiet quitting." Advancement is only going to lead to more problems, and generally speaking, staying where I am provides for my needs. But, regardless, I'm still unhappy and resentful that I can't just cut out the middle man and just do what I want to do for a living. It's not even that it's not a worthwhile pursuit or anything - it's just that the industry doesn't respect the skill that goes into the field I want to work in.
I try to work on my own stuff I want to do but I get burned out really easily because a person can only do the same thing for so many hours a week before they feel like they're losing their mind. Or at least, that's my experience.
Typical thing I see in academia every day: the good people take longest for their PhD degree because professors keep piling on new projects on "reliable" people. Then those good students are so burned out that they leave for industry. The other ones who were flying under the radar finish in 3 years and get better paid entry positions in industry because their degree looks great on paper (they never planned to stay in academia anyways).
Also, massive amounts of nepotism. If you believe that being a good researcher gets you a (increasingly rare) permanent staff or a tenure track professor position, then you have never been to the pub near the conference building after the conference is over, because that's where those decisions are made.
It's very sad that people stay in that weird middle school clique mentality all their lives, no matter where they are
Nice take on quiet quitting, I'm about to start studying business psychology and I'm glad to get some professional insights on this channel that goes beyond the medical part of psychology.