The element of body horror with the cyberman needs to come back a bit more imo. Becoming a cyberman is not a pretty process and in both torchwood and the Tennant era, i think they did a pretty good job of showing what the bottom line of the cybermen is. Make them gritty, industrial, less of a random robotic alien species and bring back the horror side of them again with a sprinkle of melodrama (bill pots + the cyberman autopsy + "I did my duty for queen and country" being perfect examples in my opinion)
I've sort of been hoping for the opposite, Perhaps life is meant to be robotic and the Cybermen a natural sort of progression, If they don't suppress their emotions and the price for becoming one is not slavery to a hive mind might not metal men do better than normal men can? (saying that x5)Love is a promise after all. A companion who makes the conversion work to their advantage and helps make them more human would be interesting to me, even an unemotional one who is friendly like the head seemed to be could be interesting. Making it creepier and more ominous could be interesting though you may have the right idea I just could see it going the other way.
@@mhwtf5965 that episode actually sent me down a spiral for a couple days as I was a teen and my mum had died a few years before and had been cremated. Proper freaked me out hearing " the don't cremate me", even watching now sends chills down my spine.
I can vaguely recall having a very disturbing dream about being converted into a Mondasian Cyberman, once. The dream in question getting trapped and alone in a grey and blue room where I was forced to put on the cloth that is seen on Mondasian Cybermen. I’m not sure if I saw what happened next, but needless to say, I’m pretty sure I know what would’ve followed and I’m deeply disturbed.
If you look closely at the tenth planet cybermen you can see the actors eyes underneath it wasn't intentional but it does add a bit to the fear of them
Me and my brother got the 10th planet on dvd and we were so happy to get this absolutely iconic story The first appearance of the cybermen The first regeneration A huge new era for Dr who
I know some might get annoyed by this, but I really do like the Cybus Cybermen design the most. Not as creepy as the Mondasian or tomb Cybermen, no, but also not as high tech as the Nightmare in Silver Cybermen or Cyberwarriors (which I REALLY like those designs, by the way), but there's something about the gritty, industrial and bulky design of the Cybus Cybermen that make them look and feel like they have truly converted themselves into a machine, but still feel somewhat like there's an actual human inside. The NiS Cybermen are cool, but they are far too robotic, to the point where it's not really a Cyberman any more, and more of just a flat out robot. The Mondasian Cybermen are creepy and cool, and I love the whole "surgical" look to them, but they don't feel like they would be considered the "peak" of human evolution. But for some reason for me, the Cybus Cybermen hit that spot of looking like a machine, but feeling like there is something (or someone) else beneath that metal plating. Also, Rise of the Cybermen was my first time seeing a Cyberman or a Dr. Who episode, and I've been in love with the series and Cybermen ever since. ALSO also, does anyone know any good classic Cybermen episodes to watch and where I could watch them?
Britbox and i'd give their first appearance which was in the tenth planet, tomb of the cybermen(regarded as one of the best cybermen stories), earthshock
For all the love rightly given to the Daleks and the Master, I do think the Cybermen are the top Dr Who villains. I think they’ve always been the little bit more horrifying than Daleks, and are responsible for more Doctor regenerations than any other villain
I know what you mean. Early Cybermen were very scary, i think in more modern times they went a bit too robotic, particularly in Matt Smith / Jenna Coleman era. Though the episode under Capaldi in the hospital on the colony ship, that really was horrifying. All the patients slowly being turned more and more into Cybermen over time, in pain but just being muted, properly creepy. Not to mention actually turning Bill into one.
I remember watching this episode when I was a kid. The scene where Sammy (Cyberman) says they’re cold made me feel sad. An episode I have always remembered.
I feel like they toned the horror side down alot. Newer cybermen are just people in suits, when it was your brain...etc being ripped out of you alive it was damn terrifying
Earthshock has to be the best Cyberman story in Doctor Who. The atmosphere, the story, the Cybermen designs which I think are the best ones in the whole show, the sudden death of Adric. Everything about it was great.
@@SorchaSublime Eh, I think Revenge of the Cybermen kinda started it first. But yeah, the Cybermen were done wrong after Earthshock. Far too emotional like you said.
I started watching in Jon Pertwee's time, so only had the tenth anniversary souvenir magazine to go by. The Invasion ones looked best, so they're sort of "my' Cybermen. Although now I've seen the Tenth Planet, I think those are the best in terms of horror value.
Nothing beats the first Cybermen from the Tenth Planet. They were cold, calculating, and menacing showing just how terrifying humans who abandoned emotions for logic could be. They gave off the feeling of people clinging to life even if it meant giving up all humanity. I loved it. It gave the same feeling Zombies are supposed to, where we (the human viewer) are forced to be confronted with the monsters we can become trying to overcome the fear of mortality. Unfortunately much like actual zombies, they've become cheap action movie props with the latest going further to become legions of storm troopers. I appreciated Word Enough Time for very closely exploring the mondosian cybermen and returning to form and the Doctor Falls for st least getting the action zombie trope right with the Doctor being overrun and killed by the endless encroach of the monsters cheating death. Still, it saddens me how the Cybermen have fallen. They're a classic who villian, I'd honestly like to see retired (or used much, much less).
Watching that episode as a kid, I never forgot Adric's final line of " Now I'll never know if I was right". This is the first time I've seen that scene sense then. How time flies by.
The Cybermen had some great moments. Would love to see a R rated series that shows the psychological and body horror of the conversion process. Also David Banks Cyberleader and Mark Hardy Cyberlieutenant are brilliant. Wish we had more of that dynamic. Also a story that features every major Cyberman design But I hate the Cyberdrones, for 2 key reasons 1, the design is just lazy. Flying heads really?! Why not base it on modern military drones or Cybermites. How about if they took dead birds and roadkill and crudely augmented them. 2, They're too overpowered compared to Cybermen. Their masters should be more menacing and intimidating.
" I am Bill Potts." Still gives me the shivers. But I have a question since she is human inside the costume does that mean she is still alive if so good.
She was still partially human so it depends on what you call alive. The cybermen as they were originally conceived were a desperate attempt (I think this was it) at survival by basically turning themselves into cyborgs, essentially a sort of life support. The suits also interfere with their brains cutting out emotions such as fear and compassion. The cyber components were attempting to override her individual consciousness and she was fighting it but knew that she would not be able to hold out indefinitely and considered that it was better to die than live as an uncaring machine. This is prior to the liquid alien saves her part.
Heather goes back for Bill Potts & they go travelling together to all the places that the Doctor had never gotten round to showing to Bill. Eventually, Bill decided that she wanted to try being a human again if Heather was willing to join her (PROSE: Twice Upon a Time). Bill kept in touch with Nardole, who forbade her from sharing bad news. Bill told Nardole that if she met the Doctor again in a different incarnation, she'd snog his face off if he wasn't a man (WC: The Best of Days). Bill & Heather purchased a home together, went clubbing, adopted cats & grew old together. Whilst dying of old age, Bill gave Heather permission to go back out into the universe & continue exploring (PROSE: Twice Upon a Time). Bill becomes a sentient oil creature like Heather, when Heather finds Bill via the tears Heather left with her, which is how Bill is able to leave her cyber converted body. I hope this helps you.
6:34 How the Doctor runs as the Cybermen are shooting him looks like something you'd see in Tom & Jerry. First time I saw this on DVD I was laughing at this bit, I still think it's funny now. 😁😁😁😁
Definitely, because they look just human enough to be recognisable, but inhuman enough to be creepy. The human hands, the cloth-covered faces, you can still make out the organic parts, but their sing-song voices, lack of emotion, and how their mouths open wide to speak gives them a very doll-like uncanny valley feel. Like they are still distinctly human in outward appearance, but everything that makes us human has been stripped away. Their humanity has been completely removed and they are more like walking, animated corpses of their former selves. Still alive but with no emotion or humanity left.
I'm glad NewWho brought the Mondasian Cybermen back, but alot of the creepy atmosphere has been lost sadly. Mostly because of NewWho's greater emphasis on action and fast-paced storytelling. Plus the music they use nowadays is far more bombastic and it doesn't get across the unearthly, creep factor of the older serials.
@@PlanetZoidstar I think the fact that they don't do long form serials anymore really hampers the universe building. If they had some long stories like 6 episodes they could create a really rich atmosphere.
@@sorrenblitz805 Yeah, I miss the serials that went on for multiple episodes. The old series did them much more often and you could really get in alot of worldbuilding and character interactions. 4+ episodes should be the minimum for serial length so they don't have to rush through things.
@@PlanetZoidstar I don't mind One episode stories but the season should have a mix of long stories, mid length and short ones. Also maybe be more creative about companions, it doesn't always need to be a 20-something year old lady, that's one thing I was kinda excited for for Jodie's TARDIS is that she was gonna have a whole crew, they just happened to be kinda lame as characters go, much like most of the world Jodie was thrown into.
Not to say I dislike them, but if the Cyberwarriors had less spikes and more pipes/wires I think they'd be the best looking modern era Cybermen. I also wish the Cyberdrones latched onto people's heads and controlled them, much like the earpieces. Making them walk to conversion units.
The jump cut at 03:05 (and yes, I’m aware it’s like that in the episode) is simultaneously both extremely terrifying and extremely hilarious in equal measure.
The Lumic designs have always been my favourite since I was literally a child when they came out, and yet they stand the test of time so well. They're completely emotionless and uniform, even the way the helmets on some actors were slightly crooked just made them feel a bit more realistic and imperfect. (I will admit, someone really needed to be on set to let some of them know when they were holding their arms too far out etc lol) But they always felt realistic to a degree, and they didnt shy away from the body horror aspect of it back then. Plus the hydraulic sounds were just haunting
I do really like the robotic designs of the newest cybermen but I feel like the body horror aspect I'd rather lost with those designs. The mondasian cybermen are truly creepy
Have you noticed The Cybermen have kind of replaced The Daleks as The main Villains now?? A similar thing happened during the 1960's during The Troughton Era.
Just realised how silly that rise of the cyberman scene is, the cybermen are so slow and they don’t think to run around them lol, if this was the current era they’d be torn apart
@beef business Its great they brought back the design from 2006 for the most recent episode. I know the Torchwood episode might not be canon as that series was a spin off but it did explain what the cybermen do to people. I didn't completely understand how the Doctor explained what the cyber conversion was back then.
The point of the Cybus Cybermen isn’t to be fast or nimble. They are strong, durable. Built to survive. Besides, you can always run away from the Cybermen. You can flee from them as fast as you can, and maybe even get some good distance. But eventually, you’ll get tired. _And the Cybermen won’t._
They're okay but they feel too robotic to me. No organic parts are visible and their voices are too synthesised to give the impression they were once human. If you didn't know their backstory you'd assume they were mere robots.
@@PlanetZoidstar They had the under-suits that still gave them a somewhat organic look, at least in my eyes. And the armored/steampunk look made a lot of sense for a very industrialized take on their origin story.
@@PlanetZoidstar But that's the point. There's NOTHING left of their Humanity, they're just brains in a suit of armour. They had everything ripped from them and there's nothing that can be done to return them to the way they once were. If you saw them, you'd have no idea they were Human, and that's what makes them the scariest of all.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Meh, I don't think that's scarier, I think it's scarier when you can tell they used to be human, the more human something looks, but clearly isn't, the creepier it is by concept. It's the Uncanny Valley effect, when they just look like generic robots, alot of that is lost. Just imagining someone slowly being hacked apart and rebuilt from metal is a scarier concept, since the process was not a quick and painless one.
Same. I feel like the Mondasians are a bit too rough and the nightmare in silver ones are too smooth, but something about the Cybus ones are just so perfect
Haunting of Villa Diodati is one of the best New Who Cybermen stories we've had. Maxine Alderton did a great job with Ashad, the setting was perfect for him.
I don't know about that. I like how they brought Captain jack back though. I had trouble with my hearing at the time so couldn't hear all of what was being said. I like how they brought back the cybermen design from 2006 to act as his body guards. I think they should have made a small reference to Jack's former in counter with a certain partially converted female cyborg. My mum loved the lights on the new cybermen design
@@bigbadbaron8416 I wouldn't say he destroyed Doctor Who (mainly cuz I dont really follow the canon much lol), but he definitely did Ashad dirty. Here's hoping maybe his comeback in the Centenary will give him some spotlight back
Hello. Thank you for this. I really enjoyed it. Very much appreciated. Really miss those Christmas Specials ( and Hearing Merry Christmas Everybody). Here's to more action packed episodes in the future. All the best, always.
When I watch the cybermen episodes I just notice at there was 4 cybermen race appeared in doctor who series, the first race was the original cybermen, the second race was cybus from pete’s world, the third race was dark water cybermen from missy and the fourth race was the cybermasters from series 12.
Re-watching Jodi Whittikers performance wasn't the issue... It was the script. Actors can only do so much, but it's the script that will ultimately make them fall.
I have always wanted to see more of the cyber wars that the Doctor mentions in Ascension of the Cybermen,a spin off show with humanity fighting a desperate struggle for survival against the cybermen
The cybermen have always been my favorite of the Doctor's adversaries. The Mondassian are by far the creepiest, because when you look at them you can actually believe that could actually happen to humanity. The cybermen of the 1980s.are actually comical to me, the way the cry out in agony when they are mortally wounded. I Don't particularly care for the newer ones with that awful stomping sound, and delete is not as affecting as YOU MUST BE DESTROYED. However the stories are still bloody good. The cybermen are the only Doctor Who monster that seem real to me.
@@isabelh5561 I thought of them as more of a "all of the above mishmash". I love the Cyber-freighter vibe though - I think that's taken from the 8th Doctor audio-story _Sword of Orion._
26:55. The most terrifying thing about that Cyberman is that it proves the Cybermen don't even _need_ actual humanoid beings to function. The organic head inside it was long dead and mummified before it was ditched, yet it was still fully functional.
That shows just how long it can keep the brain going even while abandoned and damaged. Im guessing it becomes slower and less effective with age or wants a new brain for new ideas and tactics
@@gundamgamer7060 I'm guessing that one cyberman was just so under maintained the brain was dying, the best car in the world will still need a oil change or some part repairing but that one cyberman needed replacement parts because it was so damaged. That's what I'm guessing as cybermen can live forever
Wow, you guys skipped a LOT. Moonbase, Wheel in Space, Revenge of the Cybermen, the cool black Cyber Scouts from Attack of the Cybermen, Silver Nemesis. Barely 13.5 minutes of Classic Who in a video thats over an hour long? What gives?
True. Skipping Wheel in Space, Revenge, and Silver Nemesis, I’m fine with. But Moonbase and Attack? Those are great stories that should’ve been added to the compilation. Not to mention how much they added from S12 when even the older stuff in New Who was a lot better. If you’re gonna focus on NewWho, gimme more Cybus stuff, like Army of Ghosts/Doomsday. Don’t spend like half the video on The Lone Cyberman/Ascension.
One thing that never made sense to me is their need to salute. They are machines without emotion or feeling. They should have no need for such social conventions, never mind one based on the insecure need for superior officers to be greeted and acknowledged correctly. As machines, they could just hard code in a chain of command and correctly assume every nominally functional unit will obey that chain of command without the need to salute.
It's to show they are still human inside there. Heck even the Daleks in the past would raise their plungers in a somewhat salute, if you watch Dalek invasion of Earth with William Hartnell, you will see that in some scenes
The Revenge of the Cybermen…er..Cybermen are missing from this video. Granted they look very similar to the Invasion Cybermen, but there are differences. Also, I just remembered, the Wheel in Space Cybermen are missing too as well as the Silver Nemesis shiny polished Cybermen!
Im suprised it took as long as it did for them to realise that the cybermen dont need one single origin. As long as life and technology exist together, you will eventually get a cyberman..
Nope, that Ship was the asteroid that made the dinosaurs extinct. This would be a Fixed Point in the Time Vortex. Time Travel has rules. Adric is now cemented as dying in the KPG extinction event.
" Don't worry baby u will be one of us." Also gives me the chills but I have another question. Did the baby turn into a cyberman then or did she die or did she stay alive I hope she is alive I hate animals and kids, babies and cute stuff dying.
I did! And it was great! And then i binged all of it very quickly somehow, I’ve unsubed since i finished, but later in the year I’ll probably return to it since it was so good, even bubble rap monsters had better stories than the recent.
I still don't understand why the Cyber-Warriors have spikes on them; they don't seem to serve a purpose, and Cybermen wouldn't waste material just for the 'aesthetic'.
Your missing quite a few Cybermen stories 3rd, 4th, 7th, 9th doctors, yes I know 3rd and 9th only had a few seconds with a Cybermen scene, but still missing them from the video, also 2nd dr had a number of Cybermen stories, not just what your showing.
We laugh, but that was kinda the whole idea of the story. Cybermen in the modern era would realistically behave a lot like interacting with computers. Right down to their “polite” passive-aggressive speech patterns.
14:31 dammit muddafugga he wasn't done with his hypothetical... you weren't authorized to kill him until he actually refused! I hope Cyberman Prime docks this unit's pay for the failed recruitment here.
whats the episode called where you go into ther tardis then through a door then into the tardis till you get to to the inner core of the tardis theres more than 2 rooms
I wished closing time was a two parter. Part 1 would have ended with Craig Owens being converted into a cybermen and part 2 pick up where part 1 left but the cybermen would slowly turning the entire population of earth 🌎 into Cybermen. Then in the end the doctor undo the damage.
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"Locating... Bill Potts. I am... Bill Potts." That bit, along with the rest of that scene, still gives me chills.
Same
Same here.
Same
Kinda like when Jackie revealed herself as a cyberman
"I waited for you" :/
The element of body horror with the cyberman needs to come back a bit more imo. Becoming a cyberman is not a pretty process and in both torchwood and the Tennant era, i think they did a pretty good job of showing what the bottom line of the cybermen is.
Make them gritty, industrial, less of a random robotic alien species and bring back the horror side of them again with a sprinkle of melodrama (bill pots + the cyberman autopsy + "I did my duty for queen and country" being perfect examples in my opinion)
I've said this a lot, but what we need is a story where a companion is only half-converted into a Cyberman, and has to realize what they have become
I've sort of been hoping for the opposite, Perhaps life is meant to be robotic and the Cybermen a natural sort of progression, If they don't suppress their emotions and the price for becoming one is not slavery to a hive mind might not metal men do better than normal men can? (saying that x5)Love is a promise after all. A companion who makes the conversion work to their advantage and helps make them more human would be interesting to me, even an unemotional one who is friendly like the head seemed to be could be interesting. Making it creepier and more ominous could be interesting though you may have the right idea I just could see it going the other way.
@@Tigershark_3082 Danny Pink sort of
@@mhwtf5965 that episode actually sent me down a spiral for a couple days as I was a teen and my mum had died a few years before and had been cremated. Proper freaked me out hearing " the don't cremate me", even watching now sends chills down my spine.
I can vaguely recall having a very disturbing dream about being converted into a Mondasian Cyberman, once. The dream in question getting trapped and alone in a grey and blue room where I was forced to put on the cloth that is seen on Mondasian Cybermen. I’m not sure if I saw what happened next, but needless to say, I’m pretty sure I know what would’ve followed and I’m deeply disturbed.
If you look closely at the tenth planet cybermen you can see the actors eyes underneath it wasn't intentional but it does add a bit to the fear of them
lol - until you catch a glimpse of all the packing tape holding their head gear together.
Remnants of something that was once human.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 makes you wonder whats under that cloth they got over their face
Might not have been but it's cool they referenced that in WEaT
You can also see the Sellotape holding their helmets on...
God those classic cybermen stories. So good. Tenth Planet, Moonbase, Tomb of the cybermen, The invasion even wheel. So so good
And earth shock prob the best cybermen story!
@@philfitnesspt6139 I think the tenth planet is the best but earthsock is my 2nd best
Me and my brother got the 10th planet on dvd and we were so happy to get this absolutely iconic story
The first appearance of the cybermen
The first regeneration
A huge new era for Dr who
You mean ninth right? The solar system only has 8 planets.
@@pleasestop5643 Please stop...explain Planet 14 and go buy a copy of David Banks' Cybermen
I know some might get annoyed by this, but I really do like the Cybus Cybermen design the most. Not as creepy as the Mondasian or tomb Cybermen, no, but also not as high tech as the Nightmare in Silver Cybermen or Cyberwarriors (which I REALLY like those designs, by the way), but there's something about the gritty, industrial and bulky design of the Cybus Cybermen that make them look and feel like they have truly converted themselves into a machine, but still feel somewhat like there's an actual human inside. The NiS Cybermen are cool, but they are far too robotic, to the point where it's not really a Cyberman any more, and more of just a flat out robot. The Mondasian Cybermen are creepy and cool, and I love the whole "surgical" look to them, but they don't feel like they would be considered the "peak" of human evolution. But for some reason for me, the Cybus Cybermen hit that spot of looking like a machine, but feeling like there is something (or someone) else beneath that metal plating.
Also, Rise of the Cybermen was my first time seeing a Cyberman or a Dr. Who episode, and I've been in love with the series and Cybermen ever since.
ALSO also, does anyone know any good classic Cybermen episodes to watch and where I could watch them?
I recommend the tenth planet and Revenge of the Cyberman from the classic Era
Britbox
I agree. The Cybus Cybermen get alot of hate, but they're actually my favorite design.
Cinemahd
Britbox and i'd give their first appearance which was in the tenth planet, tomb of the cybermen(regarded as one of the best cybermen stories), earthshock
For all the love rightly given to the Daleks and the Master, I do think the Cybermen are the top Dr Who villains. I think they’ve always been the little bit more horrifying than Daleks, and are responsible for more Doctor regenerations than any other villain
I know what you mean. Early Cybermen were very scary, i think in more modern times they went a bit too robotic, particularly in Matt Smith / Jenna Coleman era. Though the episode under Capaldi in the hospital on the colony ship, that really was horrifying. All the patients slowly being turned more and more into Cybermen over time, in pain but just being muted, properly creepy. Not to mention actually turning Bill into one.
Yes
@@DannyKeogh94 Pain. Pain. Pain.
The 3W Cybermen were pretty awesome too. Nothing beats the Mondasian Cybermen though.
Cybermen have nothing on Daleks. For reference, see Doomsday.
I remember watching this episode when I was a kid. The scene where Sammy (Cyberman) says they’re cold made me feel sad. An episode I have always remembered.
I feel like they toned the horror side down alot. Newer cybermen are just people in suits, when it was your brain...etc being ripped out of you alive it was damn terrifying
The concept is the same. It s a given. And that s great for the moments like the Bill one.
Isn't it the otherway around? Aren't the NuWho Cybermen pretty much bits of people grafted into a cyberbody?
Earthshock has to be the best Cyberman story in Doctor Who.
The atmosphere, the story, the Cybermen designs which I think are the best ones in the whole show, the sudden death of Adric. Everything about it was great.
sure but it sucks that during that era the cybermen werent as unemotional as they should have been.
@@SorchaSublime Eh, I think Revenge of the Cybermen kinda started it first.
But yeah, the Cybermen were done wrong after Earthshock. Far too emotional like you said.
Ah yes. Back when killing a companion MEANT something - because you knew they weren't coming back.
The silent end credits rolling with Adric's star in the background was fitting.
I think I have the right episode.
@@rare437 The Cyberleader in Revenge was a bit of a diva.
11:45 is a noise that makes alot of sense nowadays
AAAAAAUUGH
Edging my cyberman
It predates the AHH noise!
Excellent
MFW I'm a cyberman -on the- edg-e- -of -go- ing -apeshit- at work
I won't lie, the sound of that bazooka firing at 6:40 was actually really satisfying
AHhhHHHhhH
Too bad we didn't get to see the resulting "injury".
BOOOHHHhhhhh
even though it sounds more like a mortar lol
The Cybermen in the Invasion sound like the 2006-present voices, especially the latest ones, love them
"We...are...only interested...in...survival." What about Curse of Fenric? Or Battlefield? They're good, too.
They're fans of Master Tiger Eyes.
They like survival becouse they are furrys in it
a looked over moment is the cyberman revealed to be a bride and is looking for her fiancé, i think that’s really heartbreaking
You just HAD to remind us of Adric. All these decades later and it still hurts.
I personally believe that the Cybermen from “The Invasion” are the best ones, because they have a creepy feel to them.
I thought they were the best ones because they had the best sportswear ...
I started watching in Jon Pertwee's time, so only had the tenth anniversary souvenir magazine to go by. The Invasion ones looked best, so they're sort of "my' Cybermen.
Although now I've seen the Tenth Planet, I think those are the best in terms of horror value.
Attack of the Cybermen is a good episode, and has a few interesting tidbits about the cyber conversion process.
The voices sound a lot like the newest ones
Best cybermen are from 1983 the five doctors
Nothing beats the first Cybermen from the Tenth Planet. They were cold, calculating, and menacing showing just how terrifying humans who abandoned emotions for logic could be. They gave off the feeling of people clinging to life even if it meant giving up all humanity. I loved it. It gave the same feeling Zombies are supposed to, where we (the human viewer) are forced to be confronted with the monsters we can become trying to overcome the fear of mortality. Unfortunately much like actual zombies, they've become cheap action movie props with the latest going further to become legions of storm troopers. I appreciated Word Enough Time for very closely exploring the mondosian cybermen and returning to form and the Doctor Falls for st least getting the action zombie trope right with the Doctor being overrun and killed by the endless encroach of the monsters cheating death. Still, it saddens me how the Cybermen have fallen. They're a classic who villian, I'd honestly like to see retired (or used much, much less).
Or just used properly.
They only became stormtroopers in revenge of the cybermen although A very weird title for a thing that has no emotions
They sound annoying af tbh
Love that the second Doctor posed to get his photo taken with all that chaos running about at 7:01. 😂
Well, I mean, Matt Smith and Patrick Troughton were the most goober-like Doctors in Doctor Who's history. Of course Patrick would do that.
The scene with Adric was the first time I cried watching Doctor Who.
Me too.
Watching that episode as a kid, I never forgot Adric's final line of " Now I'll never know if I was right". This is the first time I've seen that scene sense then. How time flies by.
The Cybermen had some great moments. Would love to see a R rated series that shows the psychological and body horror of the conversion process.
Also David Banks Cyberleader and Mark Hardy Cyberlieutenant are brilliant. Wish we had more of that dynamic.
Also a story that features every major Cyberman design
But I hate the Cyberdrones, for 2 key reasons
1, the design is just lazy. Flying heads really?! Why not base it on modern military drones or Cybermites. How about if they took dead birds and roadkill and crudely augmented them.
2, They're too overpowered compared to Cybermen. Their masters should be more menacing and intimidating.
The Cyberdrones do look stupid, they should look like actual drones with cybertech instead of flying cyber heads
@@Jodacro-it4zz or since the Cybermen looked beaten up
Why not crude conversions of Birds
@cameronmonaghan6883 Omg that takes me back to that cyberman in the park. "Weee I'm free, free as a bird a cyberbird"
Nightmare in Silver has many issues, but as an excuse to have Matt Smith be insane, it's worth it.
11:12 "Across the boundry that divides one universe from another" "We'll lock onto his coordinates" "And for my next trick!"
The cyber-leader will always be my favorite. You could say he was..... ''Excellent''
" I am Bill Potts." Still gives me the shivers. But I have a question since she is human inside the costume does that mean she is still alive if so good.
She was still partially human so it depends on what you call alive. The cybermen as they were originally conceived were a desperate attempt (I think this was it) at survival by basically turning themselves into cyborgs, essentially a sort of life support. The suits also interfere with their brains cutting out emotions such as fear and compassion.
The cyber components were attempting to override her individual consciousness and she was fighting it but knew that she would not be able to hold out indefinitely and considered that it was better to die than live as an uncaring machine. This is prior to the liquid alien saves her part.
Heather goes back for Bill Potts & they go travelling together to all the places that the Doctor had never gotten round to showing to Bill. Eventually, Bill decided that she wanted to try being a human again if Heather was willing to join her (PROSE: Twice Upon a Time). Bill kept in touch with Nardole, who forbade her from sharing bad news. Bill told Nardole that if she met the Doctor again in a different incarnation, she'd snog his face off if he wasn't a man (WC: The Best of Days). Bill & Heather purchased a home together, went clubbing, adopted cats & grew old together. Whilst dying of old age, Bill gave Heather permission to go back out into the universe & continue exploring (PROSE: Twice Upon a Time). Bill becomes a sentient oil creature like Heather, when Heather finds Bill via the tears Heather left with her, which is how Bill is able to leave her cyber converted body. I hope this helps you.
I suppose "The Giggle" answered that.
"Well, _that's alright,_ then!"
"Look at me imma target" haha priceless 24:36
6:34 How the Doctor runs as the Cybermen are shooting him looks like something you'd see in Tom & Jerry. First time I saw this on DVD I was laughing at this bit, I still think it's funny now. 😁😁😁😁
So true
The look of the Cybermen from The Tenth Planet is still scary
Definitely, because they look just human enough to be recognisable, but inhuman enough to be creepy. The human hands, the cloth-covered faces, you can still make out the organic parts, but their sing-song voices, lack of emotion, and how their mouths open wide to speak gives them a very doll-like uncanny valley feel.
Like they are still distinctly human in outward appearance, but everything that makes us human has been stripped away. Their humanity has been completely removed and they are more like walking, animated corpses of their former selves. Still alive but with no emotion or humanity left.
The Mondasion Cybermen are by far my favourite version. Even at 38 they give me the creeps.
I'm glad NewWho brought the Mondasian Cybermen back, but alot of the creepy atmosphere has been lost sadly. Mostly because of NewWho's greater emphasis on action and fast-paced storytelling. Plus the music they use nowadays is far more bombastic and it doesn't get across the unearthly, creep factor of the older serials.
@@PlanetZoidstar I think the fact that they don't do long form serials anymore really hampers the universe building. If they had some long stories like 6 episodes they could create a really rich atmosphere.
@@sorrenblitz805 Yeah, I miss the serials that went on for multiple episodes. The old series did them much more often and you could really get in alot of worldbuilding and character interactions. 4+ episodes should be the minimum for serial length so they don't have to rush through things.
@@PlanetZoidstar I don't mind One episode stories but the season should have a mix of long stories, mid length and short ones. Also maybe be more creative about companions, it doesn't always need to be a 20-something year old lady, that's one thing I was kinda excited for for Jodie's TARDIS is that she was gonna have a whole crew, they just happened to be kinda lame as characters go, much like most of the world Jodie was thrown into.
I always liked Cybermen more than Daleks.
Here we see them go from silly sockmen to silly spacemen to robots to (somewhat) badass robots.
You need to do more research...you silly sockman...
I would love to see a modern Doctor returning to the setting of a classic story.
If the cybermen's 2nd home planet telso has not been destroyed because as far as i'm aware it hasn't then there is a possibility there
I believe that’s happened in Capadi’s last story, he met up with Hartnell’s Doctor during The Tenth Planet
@@TheEmeraldMenOfficial I thought it was so well done how the classic clip morphed into the modern recreation
@@TheEmeraldMenOfficial they were even killed by Mondasian Cybermen
@@animelovers000 Telos...
1:01:24 that scene gave me chills, just imagine seeing that marching towards you
Not to say I dislike them, but if the Cyberwarriors had less spikes and more pipes/wires I think they'd be the best looking modern era Cybermen.
I also wish the Cyberdrones latched onto people's heads and controlled them, much like the earpieces. Making them walk to conversion units.
Your idea for the Cyberdrones is a great one.
Reminds me a bit of the Cyberslaves, from that DW PC game
@The Adopted Whovian the spikes are incredibly stupid. It's an excessive detail that makes no sense in context, like an AI painting
13:44 - It sounded like the Fifth Doctor said "Sorry. Moustache."
The jump cut at 03:05 (and yes, I’m aware it’s like that in the episode) is simultaneously both extremely terrifying and extremely hilarious in equal measure.
Ah finally context for Adric. I’ve only ever seen the clip of him staring at the earth and then explosion. I had no idea why
The Lumic designs have always been my favourite since I was literally a child when they came out, and yet they stand the test of time so well. They're completely emotionless and uniform, even the way the helmets on some actors were slightly crooked just made them feel a bit more realistic and imperfect. (I will admit, someone really needed to be on set to let some of them know when they were holding their arms too far out etc lol) But they always felt realistic to a degree, and they didnt shy away from the body horror aspect of it back then. Plus the hydraulic sounds were just haunting
I do really like the robotic designs of the newest cybermen but I feel like the body horror aspect I'd rather lost with those designs. The mondasian cybermen are truly creepy
The Cybermen are my favourite Doctor who villain of all time
Nice to hear the infamous "Aah!" at 11:45
Have you noticed The Cybermen have kind of replaced The Daleks as The main Villains now??
A similar thing happened during the 1960's during The Troughton Era.
Are they, though? I mean, we still get a yearly Dalek Story, and they’re usually treated more seriously than Cybermen now.
Good, they’ve always been more interesting imo
And yet, Jon Pertwee’s Third Doctor never had a televised story with them (except that tiny clip in Carnival of Monsters).
It's because of disputes with Terry Nation's estate.
@@griffinlaw9367 Oh right what is the latest dispute?
Just realised how silly that rise of the cyberman scene is, the cybermen are so slow and they don’t think to run around them lol, if this was the current era they’d be torn apart
@beef business implying that wouldn't happen in literally in era
@@FirlowXD It does happen in every era but definitely not to the effect that S13 and Eve of the Daleks was... that was constant.
@beef business Its great they brought back the design from 2006 for the most recent episode.
I know the Torchwood episode might not be canon as that series was a spin off but it did explain what the cybermen do to people.
I didn't completely understand how the Doctor explained what the cyber conversion was back then.
The point of the Cybus Cybermen isn’t to be fast or nimble. They are strong, durable. Built to survive.
Besides, you can always run away from the Cybermen. You can flee from them as fast as you can, and maybe even get some good distance. But eventually, you’ll get tired.
_And the Cybermen won’t._
@@eliotreader8220 torchwood is canon
Finding it really funny how Cyber drones are just Cybermen heads that fly
I appreciate the pun you could've easily deleted :)
Bi in the TARDIS?
Would that make it a TARBIS
Oh wait I just realized your comment was about a pun, now there's a coincidence
@@charliep8534 I made a pun about the pun
@@charliep8534 and no, because I'm not the TARDIS, I'm inside, because it says *in*
@@1928crows So you're buying the TARDIS
Still like the Cybus models the best. The sounds, voices, designs, music. All just felt perfect.
They're okay but they feel too robotic to me. No organic parts are visible and their voices are too synthesised to give the impression they were once human. If you didn't know their backstory you'd assume they were mere robots.
@@PlanetZoidstar They had the under-suits that still gave them a somewhat organic look, at least in my eyes. And the armored/steampunk look made a lot of sense for a very industrialized take on their origin story.
@@PlanetZoidstar But that's the point. There's NOTHING left of their Humanity, they're just brains in a suit of armour. They had everything ripped from them and there's nothing that can be done to return them to the way they once were. If you saw them, you'd have no idea they were Human, and that's what makes them the scariest of all.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Meh, I don't think that's scarier, I think it's scarier when you can tell they used to be human, the more human something looks, but clearly isn't, the creepier it is by concept. It's the Uncanny Valley effect, when they just look like generic robots, alot of that is lost.
Just imagining someone slowly being hacked apart and rebuilt from metal is a scarier concept, since the process was not a quick and painless one.
Same. I feel like the Mondasians are a bit too rough and the nightmare in silver ones are too smooth, but something about the Cybus ones are just so perfect
Haunting of Villa Diodati is one of the best New Who Cybermen stories we've had. Maxine Alderton did a great job with Ashad, the setting was perfect for him.
I don't know about that. I like how they brought Captain jack back though. I had trouble with my hearing at the time so couldn't hear all of what was being said. I like how they brought back the cybermen design from 2006 to act as his body guards. I think they should have made a small reference to Jack's former in counter with a certain partially converted female cyborg. My mum loved the lights on the new cybermen design
I wouldn’t say “best”
@@Drp_br_ I would
It’s a shame because the two episodes after completely destroyed Ashad as Chibnall decided to destroy dr who with the timeless child bollocks
@@bigbadbaron8416 I wouldn't say he destroyed Doctor Who (mainly cuz I dont really follow the canon much lol), but he definitely did Ashad dirty. Here's hoping maybe his comeback in the Centenary will give him some spotlight back
Hello. Thank you for this. I really enjoyed it. Very much appreciated. Really miss those Christmas Specials ( and Hearing Merry Christmas Everybody). Here's to more action packed episodes in the future. All the best, always.
Am i the only one being scared about the fact that at 13:50 everybody is wearing earpods and are "about to being upgraded to the next level." ?
For all the failings of the writing team with Jodie’s doctor, that cyber man looks sick
I started watching doctor who when I was 6 and the cyber men when they got upgraded it gave me nightmares for years
What if in Pete's reality earth was the planet that got knocked out of orbit, and the planet seen in Age of Steel is actually Mondas?
¿your arguments?
@@Disdemve Not a cohesive theory, just a cool headcannon I guess.
@@rattlestormrepublic4874 ah, this is random XD
I like how they just decided who their leader was with barely any background info
When I watch the cybermen episodes I just notice at there was 4 cybermen race appeared in doctor who series, the first race was the original cybermen, the second race was cybus from pete’s world, the third race was dark water cybermen from missy and the fourth race was the cybermasters from series 12.
They always do get an upgrade. I’d love to see some classic designs return. Great compilation.
I recently bingewatched the entire classic era doctor who, still a fine show even in this age
11:46 tell me that’s not the sound I think it is
Augh
Those flying Cybermen helmets and the new ‘spikey’ Cybermen aren’t the best.
But how is the BBC supposed to justify their DJI drone purchase?
"Upgrading is compulsory"
Love these guys
just like your human society and thier technological toys
17:30 Imagine being a super species of robotic humanoids from another solar system and you get beaten by a human EMP sticky device
Re-watching Jodi Whittikers performance wasn't the issue... It was the script. Actors can only do so much, but it's the script that will ultimately make them fall.
Maybe don't hire boring cyberman writers, that have no emotion.
Agreed..... ok stop this... at least it was one last ditch attempt
6:52 Having only grown up with the 9th doctor and onwards, it's weird to see one advocating for a creature's death 😅
The whole sequence at 52:53 is the pure definition of "they had us on the first half, not gonna lie" lmao
So is it ever explained what happened to the little boy and girl that Clara was employed as a nanny for?
Like I know what happens at the end of the episode but they're like never mentioned ever again after that story.
I have always wanted to see more of the cyber wars that the Doctor mentions in Ascension of the Cybermen,a spin off show with humanity fighting a desperate struggle for survival against the cybermen
The last guy looks like lamming the cyberman did a good job.😅
The cybermen have always been my favorite of the Doctor's adversaries. The Mondassian are by far the creepiest, because when you look at them you can actually believe that could actually happen to humanity. The cybermen of the 1980s.are actually comical to me, the way the cry out in agony when they are mortally wounded. I Don't particularly care for the newer ones with that awful stomping sound, and delete is not as affecting as YOU MUST BE DESTROYED. However the stories are still bloody good. The cybermen are the only Doctor Who monster that seem real to me.
Attack of the Cybermen was the most terrifying of the originals for conversion and not featured in this. Not forgetting Silver Nemesis.
Also, I love the old black and white era, Cyberman "AaAaAaAa🤖" upon...deletion?
😆☺️
Adrick...😢😥
“You will accompany us.”
“Sorry, mustache.”
People may laugh at those early ones now, but when you're 7 or 8 and haven't seen anything like it before...*shudder*
Emergence from their tombs at c. 5:00...somewhat creepy and powerful.
That thank speech given on that Christmas episode still gives me chills...bravo sir
The ultimate upgrade will be the elimination of that God-awful plumbing on their heads.
I would love The cybermen to return to their classic style design similar to the way the sontaran did in war of the sontarans
@beef business similar
@beef business And the fact the new Cyber Warriors are effectively an update of the Invasion design
@@isabelh5561 I thought of them as more of a "all of the above mishmash".
I love the Cyber-freighter vibe though - I think that's taken from the 8th Doctor audio-story _Sword of Orion._
I miss Handles the Cyberhead 🤣🤣🤣
"I need you to come for Christmas Dinner!!🥺"
"I'M BEING SHOT AT BY CYBERMEN!!!🤬"
I love the packing tape on the head of the cyberman with the first doctor
26:55. The most terrifying thing about that Cyberman is that it proves the Cybermen don't even _need_ actual humanoid beings to function. The organic head inside it was long dead and mummified before it was ditched, yet it was still fully functional.
That shows just how long it can keep the brain going even while abandoned and damaged. Im guessing it becomes slower and less effective with age or wants a new brain for new ideas and tactics
@@jamesalexander8193 I mean it kept functioning after it completely removed the mummified head and tried taking Amy's.
@@gundamgamer7060 I'm guessing that one cyberman was just so under maintained the brain was dying, the best car in the world will still need a oil change or some part repairing but that one cyberman needed replacement parts because it was so damaged. That's what I'm guessing as cybermen can live forever
Wow, you guys skipped a LOT. Moonbase, Wheel in Space, Revenge of the Cybermen, the cool black Cyber Scouts from Attack of the Cybermen, Silver Nemesis. Barely 13.5 minutes of Classic Who in a video thats over an hour long? What gives?
Proof Classic Who does not get treated with the respect it deserves
True. Skipping Wheel in Space, Revenge, and Silver Nemesis, I’m fine with. But Moonbase and Attack? Those are great stories that should’ve been added to the compilation.
Not to mention how much they added from S12 when even the older stuff in New Who was a lot better. If you’re gonna focus on NewWho, gimme more Cybus stuff, like Army of Ghosts/Doomsday. Don’t spend like half the video on The Lone Cyberman/Ascension.
One thing that never made sense to me is their need to salute. They are machines without emotion or feeling. They should have no need for such social conventions, never mind one based on the insecure need for superior officers to be greeted and acknowledged correctly. As machines, they could just hard code in a chain of command and correctly assume every nominally functional unit will obey that chain of command without the need to salute.
It's to show they are still human inside there. Heck even the Daleks in the past would raise their plungers in a somewhat salute, if you watch Dalek invasion of Earth with William Hartnell, you will see that in some scenes
The Revenge of the Cybermen…er..Cybermen are missing from this video. Granted they look very similar to the Invasion Cybermen, but there are differences.
Also, I just remembered, the Wheel in Space Cybermen are missing too as well as the Silver Nemesis shiny polished Cybermen!
Classic Who, always getting brushed aside.
No clips from Attack of the Cybermen either
Tbh pretty much any scene from Villa Diodati is worthy of this list. Wish there was more Earthshock though
21:11 damn that's some good acting the buildup was a great touch
“Don’t put me on a Dalek ship, when I’m holding a broken bit of Dalek! OW!”
12:10 I swear that Cyberman just said "Neato!" 😂
Im suprised it took as long as it did for them to realise that the cybermen dont need one single origin.
As long as life and technology exist together, you will eventually get a cyberman..
It's a Shame that neither Martha or Donna met The Cybermen
I want to see a more modern design that brings in body-horror elements.
Like, imagine one with some exposed flesh or something
Like Ashad?
@@erubin100 yeah
Ashad, Danny, Bill
@@erubin100 i was thinking something more along the lines of Spare Parts
That scene with the cyberman asking about it's fiancée just made me sad.😢
"Why are they all here if they can't translate it?"
"You're here."
"I'm OCD, what's their excuse?"
🤣🤣🤣
"oh no the console is damaged..well we can just fix it later then travel back in time and save him..as time isn't a problem with a time mechine"
Nope, that Ship was the asteroid that made the dinosaurs extinct. This would be a Fixed Point in the Time Vortex. Time Travel has rules. Adric is now cemented as dying in the KPG extinction event.
They can't cross their own timeline. Once someone dies, they stay dead. They can't change it.
" Don't worry baby u will be one of us." Also gives me the chills but I have another question. Did the baby turn into a cyberman then or did she die or did she stay alive I hope she is alive I hate animals and kids, babies and cute stuff dying.
I just subbed to Britbox. If you havent yet, its really worth it. Every single classic Dr Who episode is streaming.
I did! And it was great!
And then i binged all of it very quickly somehow, I’ve unsubed since i finished, but later in the year I’ll probably return to it since it was so good, even bubble rap monsters had better stories than the recent.
As much as I like the variety, the fact there's nothing from Army of Ghosts seems a little odd.
8:55 they managed to make this really intense with no special effects
I still don't understand why the Cyber-Warriors have spikes on them; they don't seem to serve a purpose, and Cybermen wouldn't waste material just for the 'aesthetic'.
Your missing quite a few
Cybermen stories 3rd, 4th, 7th, 9th doctors, yes I know 3rd and 9th only had a few seconds with a Cybermen scene, but still missing them from the video, also 2nd dr had a number of Cybermen stories, not just what your showing.
Windows update be like 14:17
We laugh, but that was kinda the whole idea of the story. Cybermen in the modern era would realistically behave a lot like interacting with computers. Right down to their “polite” passive-aggressive speech patterns.
Lmao I'm sorry but the cyberman scene on 11:45 tho lmao augh lmao I'm done
14:31 dammit muddafugga he wasn't done with his hypothetical... you weren't authorized to kill him until he actually refused! I hope Cyberman Prime docks this unit's pay for the failed recruitment here.
whats the episode called where you go into ther tardis then through a door then into the tardis till you get to to the inner core of the tardis theres more than 2 rooms
I wished closing time was a two parter. Part 1 would have ended with Craig Owens being converted into a cybermen and part 2 pick up where part 1 left but the cybermen would slowly turning the entire population of earth 🌎 into Cybermen. Then in the end the doctor undo the damage.
What made you stop? ;)