This story is amazing! Yet it's so sad that it's been a decade since we lost Elizabeth Slayden. She's dearly missed. We'll always remember Sarah Jane Smith.
I love how up to this point, The Cybermen don't try to instantly kill the Doctor upon encounter, only attacking when he became a threat to their plans but then by "Earthshock" the Cybermen had enough of him, willing to destory him in the famous ending to Episode 1.
Of course, there are multiple Cybermen, each from a different planet. Mondas, Telos, Planet 14. But eventually they all become the Doctor's enemy. He's the one guy they can't upgrade.
It never fails to amuse me how these futuristic programs still think they'd be using the technology of the day centuries into the future, even red dwarf which was the 80s and 90s still thought cassette and VHS tapes would still be in use.
plus it goes "tweet tweet woodle woodle" as he pulls bits off the reel to hide evidence... not sure how it makes this sound as it just being pulled off a reel, not thru any head... oh well...
@@JohnBloggs-m8lI'm not being insulting or anything but that point of view is a little naive. The programme is a situation comedy with some satire thrown in. The " crumminess of having cheap twentieth century technology in the future" is a knowing wink to the presumptuousness of making a future-set science fiction programme in the twentieth century on a budget that wouldn't have covered the catering bill for an episode of the original Star Trek show. Even so, they did really well and I've always liked the programme. Again, no insult intended but we need to bear some things in mind before reacting too critically. 9:19
@@edmund184 Apparently it went away somewhere and people forgot it existed. Although it'd have to go very far and very fast to get away from gold hunters. So it'd have to have a motor. And nobody would have to be nearby to follow it. And... oh, my. My friend's and I would go over these points in great depth in the school playground on Monday mornings. Ah, for the days when a sci fi show could be just for fun.
He was brought in to cover any action scenes in case the new Doctor wasn't up to fights and suchlike. As Tom Baker proved more than capable, Harry's role got redefined and eventually phased out. A shame because he was a good character and a good actor.
@@minicle426 He's more assertive in Terror of the Zygons. But really the make companion's role was always to do the action stuff, which is why JP didn't need a male TARDIS crew member. Also he had army back up.
I grew up watching this Dr Who, essential Saturday evening's tea time viewing & I still play them on the dvd when I pop round and see my Mum, I'm 58 and Mum's 91 years now. The Cybermen have always been my favourite enemy 🤖👽🛸
At fifty six I remember the doctor who serious from when I was a kid the best doctor who years were John Pertwee and Tom Baker those were the best years of the Doctor who serious Peter Davis of the early eighties wasn't bad after that the best years of Doctor who passed.The thing is the early 21st century revival of the serious was a disaster then again the BBC should not have tried to revive the serious when most of the original people behind the serious were either dead or retired in a way the failure of the attempted revival of Doctor who in the first decade of this century mirror's the decline of the BBC itself and its lack of new ideas.
@@Nicholasbirdvowles Not at all my friend. I prefer Classic Who to modern. Possibly because of childhood nostalgia but I’m always watching the 60s-80s episodes.
@@Nicholasbirdvowles I was going to take issue with you over "tacky" props, but I'm looking at a Cyberman covered in vacuum cleaner hoses as I type this.
Tom Baker was magnificent! I recall as a child feeling crestfallen when my beloved Jon Pertwee regenerated into a curly-haired goon I didn't recognise. But Mr Baker soon won me round. He remained in the iconic role for a record-breaking 6 years, because he loved it so much, and his enthusiasm was infectious. He and Pertwee will always be the definitive Dr Whos for me.
Tom Baker said that they were starting to archive the film around 1980. He thought what on earth for? As we know now his was one of the first to come out on DVD and sold millions of copies. They never completed The Shada episodes because of the workers going on strike at the BBC Studios in 1982. The parts that they did shoot outside the studio can be seen in The Five Doctors. I was always hiding behind the sofa and told not to look, but it was too exciting not to keep watching. What great memories. Yes. My second favourite season with Genesis of the Darleks in top spot. All done on a shoe string budget with costumes from things like a helmet and plastic washing machine drainage pipe painted silver.
You know, one funny thing about the Cybermen being vulnerable to gold: computer circuit boards use gold because it's the best conductor of electrical impulses. You'd think the Cybermen would love that!
In Classic Who the 60's Cybermen didn't have an allergy to Gold. However in this story the Doctor suggests that Gold as a non-corrosive metal could coat the Cybermen Respiratory system and clog their breathing filters suffocating them. Later stories seem to imply it coats their circuitry and causes a dead short, weakening, disabling or killing them. Gold when used in the correct way would be incredibly helpful to electronics, although a metal with a higher heat tolerance would likely still be more ideal.
The best Doctor with Sarah Jane Smith, the most beautiful of his assistants plus the Cybermen at their scariest ... The daleks never scared me when I was a kid but the Cybermen and the Ice warriors did.
Found out the caves that this was filmed in are the Wookey Hole Caves! I'm currently staying at Wookey Hole Hotel, and I'll be going in these caves today.
Very unpopular opinion, I know, but I love this story. My third favourite of all time, behind Genesis and Weng Chiang. I just love the culture of the planet Voga, it’s politics, the characters, the wookey hole cave scenes, and whilst yes the cybermen voices weren’t the best, the outfits were great, and their motive was plausible enough. I really love this story as I say, even though I fully appreciate all the reasons why a lot of fans Don’t. Dr Who is always going to generate the full range of opinion, for a lot of the stories. 👍♥️🙏🏼
it’s got a lot of the ingredients for a successful who story and I agree it mostly succeeds with bringing back the cybermen but I could never get over the daft look of the vegans and the silly gold weakness. The charm of the cast with marter, s laden and baker shines throughout.
@@wyrdwik4610 haha for sure. I think the vogans were yet another element of Dr Who on screen which ‘got away’ with the face masks etc due to the quality of the TV we all had in the days when it was first broadcast. Like so many stories from the first four Doctors, in the words of Terry in Fawlty Towers “what the eye doesn’t see, the chef gets away with”….. things like the Zarbi and Menoptera years before, etc, looked more effective on a small grainy black and white tv screen. Today of course with our huge tv screens and cleaned up optimised film quality, we see glaringly the famous shaky sets and the outfits of the creatures and foes etc, all too clearly, the Vogans certainly suffer for that! As you say though, a lot of the ingredients for a good story. The gold thing though, such a cop out as you say. It was never worse than in silver nemesis, it got to the point that you could fire something gold with a catapult etc. cheers. Keep the faith.
@@THIRV People ridicule Dr Who's effects and sets, but they were of their time and the stories were well written and made. But "Serious" programmes are given an easy ride when they fall prey to the same problems. Nobody mentions the shoddy toy rats that were used in Doomwatch, or the moment Brian Blessed slammed someone into a wall of the imperial palace in I Claudius and the wall very noticeably wobbled. Although if Brian Blessed slammed someone into the Great Wall of China, that would probably wobble.
I think Mary Tamm was the most beautiful. She would probably be described as a toffee nosed bird. If I remember my 70s British slang somewhat correctly
I'm not disagreeing but my favorites of the original series are Sara Jane, Romona (Mary Tamm) and Peri. With the new series I pick Dr. Martha Jones and Amy Pond
ONE of the prettiest companions. Peri (to this day) is the sexiest; Clara hottest (love those big brown eyes); and Amy is still in the conversation if they didn’t have her in all those baggy clothes.
I absolutely love the attention to detail and the script when the doc says he hasn't got time to wire the part in to the sabotaged transmat unit so he holds it in to position and ends up nearly blowing himself up. Brilliant. In new Who the part in question would've just been zapped with the sonic screwdriver but in this piece the doc is actually thinking and working. Excellent.
That's cos new who is lazy and just wants the hard stuff skipped by using the sonic for everything which was a problem eventually with the Baker era too so much so that when Davison came along it deliberately got destroyed so the doctor as a character had to go back to thinking his way out of things which again happened with Capaldi after gross overuse by Tennant and Smith. But now the new guy has another one it's just the same shit over and over again the sonic has become way too much of a go to device when the doctor does actually have other tools he's shown over the years.
That’s robot snake scared the bejesus outta me as a kid. Still have my dads VHS tapes from sontarin experiment-terror of the zygons. The Doctor, Sarah,and Harry were a great crew! Grateful forever this era was my introduction to Doctor Who. My 60TH anniversary stop motion is mere month away!
I think Tom Baker, Sarah and Harry were a great Tardis crew as well. This is one of my fave eras. The plot is a bit crap tbh but I still love it for some reason. 😀
22:18 "Ah well, i suppose we can’t expect decent English from a machine." Words that ring true in 2023 This show was ahead of its time in so many ways ❤
Used to watch this in the 90's here in Nigeria. Just never noticed that despite the Doctor going through time and space, all the civilizations he met were always British.
Centuries in the future, the highly advanced technology will be æsthetically styled to look retro. The "exposed circuit boards" we see are sometimes just stylish covers for the advanced tech inside. Kind of like wood paneling on 20th century electronics. Surf Wisely.
Why is the scene where the Doctor berates the Cybermen not here. It’s such an iconic scene and one of Tom bakers best performances as the Doctor. It’s also an extreme highlight of the story xx
Next to Robot...this is my all time favourite episode! So good on sooo many levels! I watch this episode regularly and it never grows old...the only sadness in watching it is that Ian and Elizabeth are no longer with us...I pray that the living human treasure that is Tom Baker stays with us for many years to come!
Classic, but I think Volgon must have been a very small planet considering what the cyber leader said about them being 1600 meters down and they were only 8 minutes from the center. Unless they were traveling very fast that means the center of Volgon must have only been about 2500 meters deep. If the center of the earth was only around that deep the earth would be the size of a small asteroid. Great ending on this episode with that endearing phrase, I mean it should be alright but you never know quite from the doctor .. Then they end up on earth after taking the transmat and finding themselves in the company of lost colonists, or were they a military expedition .? and Lynx the Sontaran sometime in the future after doing a superman type time travel maneuver
Yeah, you're almost right... almost. The actual running order of this arc is... 1. The Ark in Space 2. The Sontaran Experiment 3.Genesis of the Daleks 4. Revenge of the Cybermen 5. Terror oh the Zygons, (in which we lose Harry). But thanks for playing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's a fun story except for the Cybermen's voices. That's the only thing that let's this down for me. Even the chunkier piping redesign on the cyber suits, which are otherwise based on the Invasion Cyberman style is interesting. Such a shame that Tom only got one outing with the Cybermen on TV. Big Finish has since fixed that for us, and the voice effect too!
Wow! On 45 seconds, there's the Forerunner of the Face-hugger in Alien, the Hydrobot from Terminator:Salvation and the music from Red Dwarf. A veritable treasure trove of "inspiration" 😉
The Cybermen were notably lenient by Cybermen standards in this story. Not only don't they kill automatically but they even allow time for the doctor and co to get away and their reward for this compassion, they end up dead, poor Cybermen...
It gave me the shivers as a kid as the cybermen emerge from the airlock, I think it’s the music I just wish their weapons where a bit more convincing and the cyber leader wasn’t so camp
I met Elizabeth Slayden in 2005 at a sci fi show in Birmingham. We arrived really early and she was standing by a stall putting out books photos etc. I polightly said hello expecting her to just say hello back but she stopped what she was doing and chatted. I asked if I could take a photo and she said " Yes ofcourse..but do it now while my make up is still fresh and not running down my face" and started to giggle. I took her photo and then she said "Let's have one together" and put her arm round me and pulled me close! I couldn't believe my luck and I was on cloud 9 for the whole day! She was witty, Charming and beautiful and a sad loss to us all.
17:18 Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil🙉🙈🙊; they did the same reference in Friends and The Powerpuff Girls Movie, and those are just the first examples that come to mind.
For me the Cybermen always had so much potential, we're always fascinating but I never bought into any story since the original as terrifying smart characters. The OG Cybermen from the look, voice and motivation was utterly terrifying with perhaps real life consequences one day with human type/robot cyborgs. Everything since has felt like caricatures.
I really liked the plot and the writing in this serial. I’ll give it a 7 out of 10. I really enjoyed that every character got something important to do to help Progress the storyline. Sarah Jane and Harry’s interaction were so amusing and entertaining especially when they found the gold and were caught. The Tardis Trio seemed so close in this serial and worked well off each other. Acting was top notch even from the Support Cast. The reason for the revenge of the Cybermen even made sense. The updated Cybermen looked so good and even felt somewhat threatening during episode 2-3. But what really dragged it down were the Vagon people. They were annoying and idk. They felt so forced into this storyline. That’s why I just gave it a 7/10. I think they should’ve used Genesis of the Daleks as a serial ending and have put this one before it. But season 12 wasn’t cursed. It had great continuity, a great cast and iconic serials. I really loved. Now on to season 13!
The script is credited to my old mate Gerry Davis... but not a word of his submission ended up on screen. The Vogans weren’t in his script, either. His included miners held captive in an asteroid containing gold. Neither versions are perfect but the original text - recently recorded by Big Finish - make for a better story, IMO. Although I might be a bit biased.
Big Finish do wonderful productions. And they're clever at recognizing good stories and recruiting great performers. Im sure they did the script justice. Cheers
"Lister I'll help him let the doctors toke over console" Are these echos from the past influencing Red dwarfs future I mean just look at the uniform....
Brings but great memories i appreciated it back then, so has it's faults get over it it get me why people pick it apart a story- episode , just putting my two cents worth in Kim Everrett Tasmania Australia
This story is amazing! Yet it's so sad that it's been a decade since we lost Elizabeth Slayden. She's dearly missed. We'll always remember Sarah Jane Smith.
* Sladen *
@@adrianh332 thanks. So sad what happened to her.
@@lionguardkujenga676 Definitely, cancer totally sucks.
@@adrianh332 I know. I hope I don't catch it in the future, that would be scary. I'd want the Doctor to cheer me up.
This story is not amazing, by any definition, but you're right about Liz Sladen. Everyone misses her.
I love how up to this point, The Cybermen don't try to instantly kill the Doctor upon encounter, only attacking when he became a threat to their plans
but then by "Earthshock" the Cybermen had enough of him, willing to destory him in the famous ending to Episode 1.
They didn't know the doctor was there until they saw his TARDIS in Earthshock episode 2
Of course, there are multiple Cybermen, each from a different planet. Mondas, Telos, Planet 14. But eventually they all become the Doctor's enemy. He's the one guy they can't upgrade.
I feel comforted that reel to reel technology is still alive and well in the distant future. I knew all this digital stuff was just a passing phase.
It never fails to amuse me how these futuristic programs still think they'd be using the technology of the day centuries into the future, even red dwarf which was the 80s and 90s still thought cassette and VHS tapes would still be in use.
plus it goes "tweet tweet woodle woodle" as he pulls bits off the reel to hide evidence... not sure how it makes this sound as it just being pulled off a reel, not thru any head... oh well...
@@JohnBloggs-m8lI'm not being insulting or anything but that point of view is a little naive. The programme is a situation comedy with some satire thrown in. The " crumminess of having cheap twentieth century technology in the future" is a knowing wink to the presumptuousness of making a future-set science fiction programme in the twentieth century on a budget that wouldn't have covered the catering bill for an episode of the original Star Trek show. Even so, they did really well and I've always liked the programme. Again, no insult intended but we need to bear some things in mind before reacting too critically. 9:19
I like how the crew go from holding them up at gunpoint to the second in command handing over his Uzi to Sarah with a 1 minute conversation.
I like how in all these future sci fi shows they use tech that's behind what we have today.
Come on, it's Sarah Jane Smith! If you can't trust that face, what can you trust?
Why does the planet of Gold not get raided by millions of earthlings? (For all its silliness this is one of my favourite stories).
@@johnbower7452 we are insane now with our technology
@@edmund184 Apparently it went away somewhere and people forgot it existed. Although it'd have to go very far and very fast to get away from gold hunters. So it'd have to have a motor. And nobody would have to be nearby to follow it. And... oh, my.
My friend's and I would go over these points in great depth in the school playground on Monday mornings.
Ah, for the days when a sci fi show could be just for fun.
Great story. I did always feel like Harry was underused. He was a RN officer, and a qualified doctor, but his role was downgraded to comedic sidekick.
He was brought in to cover any action scenes in case the new Doctor wasn't up to fights and suchlike. As Tom Baker proved more than capable, Harry's role got redefined and eventually phased out. A shame because he was a good character and a good actor.
He was no Jamie or Steven that's for certain.
@@minicle426 He's more assertive in Terror of the Zygons. But really the make companion's role was always to do the action stuff, which is why JP didn't need a male TARDIS crew member. Also he had army back up.
I grew up watching this Dr Who, essential Saturday evening's tea time viewing & I still play them on the dvd when I pop round and see my Mum, I'm 58 and Mum's 91 years now.
The Cybermen have always been my favourite enemy 🤖👽🛸
At fifty six I remember the doctor who serious from when I was a kid the best doctor who years were John Pertwee and Tom Baker those were the best years of the Doctor who serious Peter Davis of the early eighties wasn't bad after that the best years of Doctor who passed.The thing is the early 21st century revival of the serious was a disaster then again the BBC should not have tried to revive the serious when most of the original people behind the serious were either dead or retired in a way the failure of the attempted revival of Doctor who in the first decade of this century mirror's the decline of the BBC itself and its lack of new ideas.
Sarah Jane was the most adorable of all his companions 🥰
Total babe
👨🏼🚀❤️🔥💫🍾
The Savage was better!
Sarah. The fourth Doctor jus called her Sarah.
She looks great in this outfit
I love Classic Doctor Who ❤ really miss Liz 😭 she was awesome xx
Love this story. Had it on VHS back in the 90s as a kid. Now I have it on DVD and watch it regularly.
I have loads on vhs but I don't watch much of the newer stuff.Is this bad of me
@@Nicholasbirdvowles Not at all my friend. I prefer Classic Who to modern. Possibly because of childhood nostalgia but I’m always watching the 60s-80s episodes.
@@pearljam619 Thank you
Yeah I love the old stuff and the tacky props bade from what they could find where actually work went into it.
@@Nicholasbirdvowles I was going to take issue with you over "tacky" props, but I'm looking at a Cyberman covered in vacuum cleaner hoses as I type this.
Tom Baker was magnificent! I recall as a child feeling crestfallen when my beloved Jon Pertwee regenerated into a curly-haired goon I didn't recognise. But Mr Baker soon won me round.
He remained in the iconic role for a record-breaking 6 years, because he loved it so much, and his enthusiasm was infectious. He and Pertwee will always be the definitive Dr Whos for me.
Cybermen are weirdly emotional in this episode.
Tom Baker said that they were starting to archive the film around 1980. He thought what on earth for? As we know now his was one of the first to come out on DVD and sold millions of copies. They never completed The Shada episodes because of the workers going on strike at the BBC Studios in 1982. The parts that they did shoot outside the studio can be seen in The Five Doctors. I was always hiding behind the sofa and told not to look, but it was too exciting not to keep watching. What great memories. Yes. My second favourite season with Genesis of the Darleks in top spot. All done on a shoe string budget with costumes from things like a helmet and plastic washing machine drainage pipe painted silver.
I really love this episode and it was really great. Also I love the 4th Doctor, Sarah Jane and Harry because they are great
Thank you PBS for showing these back in my childhood!!
Lis was amazing and so missed
"HARRY SULLIVAN IS AN IMBECILE!" - No idea why, but that line always cracks me up.
Harry Sullivan is an imbecile, and we will love him forever.
Because it's cool. Because HArry nearly killed them all, and thinks he's a hero, and the Doctor clues him into the fact that he isn't.
You know, one funny thing about the Cybermen being vulnerable to gold: computer circuit boards use gold because it's the best conductor of electrical impulses. You'd think the Cybermen would love that!
In Classic Who the 60's Cybermen didn't have an allergy to Gold. However in this story the Doctor suggests that Gold as a non-corrosive metal could coat the Cybermen Respiratory system and clog their breathing filters suffocating them. Later stories seem to imply it coats their circuitry and causes a dead short, weakening, disabling or killing them. Gold when used in the correct way would be incredibly helpful to electronics, although a metal with a higher heat tolerance would likely still be more ideal.
Retro techno no no. If only they’d knew?
Maybe gold spraypaint disolved styrofoam and foam rubber costumes . Oh no
What about Doctor #2's "glitter gun"?
1:45 I wonder how many times Baker almost garroted himself with that scarf.
The best Doctor with Sarah Jane Smith, the most beautiful of his assistants plus the Cybermen at their scariest ... The daleks never scared me when I was a kid but the Cybermen and the Ice warriors did.
the fourth doctor was always my favorite during my childhood, I'm glad Tom Baker is still around today....
Found out the caves that this was filmed in are the Wookey Hole Caves! I'm currently staying at Wookey Hole Hotel, and I'll be going in these caves today.
Huh. I was just thinking 'amazing set job they did'.
One of the top 3 companions to the doctor!
Fourth Doctor Companions: Jamie McCrimmon and Victoria Waterfield and Zoe Heriot, Sarah Jane Smith and Harry Sullivan
"Who's the homicidal maniac?" Gotta love Tom Baker XD
Such an underrated Cyberman story.
Wish the voices for the Cybermen were a bit better though. It's their equivalent of 'Day of the Daleks'.
I think that the Cybermen 🤖 are the greatest of all the Dr's villains and Sarah Jane is by far my favourite companion
Revenge of the Cybermen is a classic. One of my favourite DW episodes.
I wonder if he ever tripped in that scarf during rehearsals.
I'm sure he spent a lot of time tripping.
We watched these on PBS for years. No ads🤓
Very unpopular opinion, I know, but I love this story. My third favourite of all time, behind Genesis and Weng Chiang. I just love the culture of the planet Voga, it’s politics, the characters, the wookey hole cave scenes, and whilst yes the cybermen voices weren’t the best, the outfits were great, and their motive was plausible enough. I really love this story as I say, even though I fully appreciate all the reasons why a lot of fans Don’t. Dr Who is always going to generate the full range of opinion, for a lot of the stories. 👍♥️🙏🏼
You like what you like mate. I'm with you on The Talons of Weng-Chiang.
@@hopebgood cheers mate!
it’s got a lot of the ingredients for a successful who story and I agree it mostly succeeds with bringing back the cybermen but I could never get over the daft look of the vegans and the silly gold weakness. The charm of the cast with marter, s laden and baker shines throughout.
@@wyrdwik4610 haha for sure. I think the vogans were yet another element of Dr Who on screen which ‘got away’ with the face masks etc due to the quality of the TV we all had in the days when it was first broadcast. Like so many stories from the first four Doctors, in the words of Terry in Fawlty Towers “what the eye doesn’t see, the chef gets away with”….. things like the Zarbi and Menoptera years before, etc, looked more effective on a small grainy black and white tv screen. Today of course with our huge tv screens and cleaned up optimised film quality, we see glaringly the famous shaky sets and the outfits of the creatures and foes etc, all too clearly, the Vogans certainly suffer for that! As you say though, a lot of the ingredients for a good story. The gold thing though, such a cop out as you say. It was never worse than in silver nemesis, it got to the point that you could fire something gold with a catapult etc. cheers. Keep the faith.
@@THIRV People ridicule Dr Who's effects and sets, but they were of their time and the stories were well written and made.
But "Serious" programmes are given an easy ride when they fall prey to the same problems. Nobody mentions the shoddy toy rats that were used in Doomwatch, or the moment Brian Blessed slammed someone into a wall of the imperial palace in I Claudius and the wall very noticeably wobbled.
Although if Brian Blessed slammed someone into the Great Wall of China, that would probably wobble.
Am I the only that feels like the cyber leader and his men are actually pretty chill despite their actual intentions?
compared to a dalek maybe.
The best thing about this whole period of Doctor Who was Elisabeth Sladen.
The prettiest assistant the Doctor ever had.
I think Mary Tamm was the most beautiful. She would probably be described as a toffee nosed bird. If I remember my 70s British slang somewhat correctly
I'm not disagreeing but my favorites of the original series are Sara Jane, Romona (Mary Tamm) and Peri. With the new series I pick Dr. Martha Jones and Amy Pond
ONE of the prettiest companions. Peri (to this day) is the sexiest; Clara hottest (love those big brown eyes); and Amy is still in the conversation if they didn’t have her in all those baggy clothes.
I raise you Liz Shaw.
@@16rumpoleToffee nosed for sure, but I found that to be part of her charm 😂
I absolutely love the attention to detail and the script when the doc says he hasn't got time to wire the part in to the sabotaged transmat unit so he holds it in to position and ends up nearly blowing himself up. Brilliant. In new Who the part in question would've just been zapped with the sonic screwdriver but in this piece the doc is actually thinking and working. Excellent.
Yeah, that was good stuff
That's cos new who is lazy and just wants the hard stuff skipped by using the sonic for everything which was a problem eventually with the Baker era too so much so that when Davison came along it deliberately got destroyed so the doctor as a character had to go back to thinking his way out of things which again happened with Capaldi after gross overuse by Tennant and Smith. But now the new guy has another one it's just the same shit over and over again the sonic has become way too much of a go to device when the doctor does actually have other tools he's shown over the years.
That’s robot snake scared the bejesus outta me as a kid. Still have my dads VHS tapes from sontarin experiment-terror of the zygons. The Doctor, Sarah,and Harry were a great crew! Grateful forever this era was my introduction to Doctor Who. My 60TH anniversary stop motion is mere month away!
I think Tom Baker, Sarah and Harry were a great Tardis crew as well. This is one of my fave eras. The plot is a bit crap tbh but I still love it for some reason. 😀
22:18
"Ah well, i suppose we can’t expect decent English from a machine."
Words that ring true in 2023
This show was ahead of its time in so many ways ❤
The cybermen might have had more success if they weren't wearing flares.
It's a shame they have changed the the sound of the Cybermen's voices; they used to sound more threatening with their electronic voice.
This is a different branch of cyberman, they start become more human-like.
@@Unit-3475
Human-like equals boring-like. Bring back the original Cybermen.
Harry Sullivan is a genius.
Handing a loaded weapon to a stranger can never be a good idea...
Used to watch this in the 90's here in Nigeria. Just never noticed that despite the Doctor going through time and space, all the civilizations he met were always British.
As they should be.
@@rfarrr2817 😁
The sets were reused from an earlier story in this season The Ark in Space, It would be 1982s Earthshock before the Cybermen would be back again
I thought the sets looked familiar
I didn't remember the Vogan masks to be so beautiful.
Centuries in the future, the highly advanced technology will be æsthetically styled to look retro. The "exposed circuit boards" we see are sometimes just stylish covers for the advanced tech inside. Kind of like wood paneling on 20th century electronics.
Surf Wisely.
Why is the scene where the Doctor berates the Cybermen not here.
It’s such an iconic scene and one of Tom bakers best performances as the Doctor. It’s also an extreme highlight of the story xx
6:00 - SJS playing the ultra-long game with the foreshadowing for “School Reunion”
4:40. Love his slimline iPhone and laptop combo
I was so amazed by how real those cyber suits looked, my all time favourite cyberman, and remember the Raston warrior Robot 🤖 🤠🤯Brutal
RIP Elizabeth Great episode.
I love how the Cyberman have a Cyberman sleeping on their command room console.
Like a pet cat just napping on the top of your sofa.
Next to Robot...this is my all time favourite episode! So good on sooo many levels! I watch this episode regularly and it never grows old...the only sadness in watching it is that Ian and Elizabeth are no longer with us...I pray that the living human treasure that is Tom Baker stays with us for many years to come!
Tom Baker could make a toothpick and a plastic bag into brilliant sci fi. His acting is incredible. Sarah and Harry were amazing as well.
1:11 Sonic Vibrator??? 😂😂😂 oh doctor!
🤔🤭😂🤣🤣
Cyber dildo at 0:45 !
Thirteen would have loved it 😂
1:28 someone doesn't like rock n roll music. Tape isn't touching the playback heads.
Classic, but I think Volgon must have been a very small planet considering what the cyber leader said about them being 1600 meters down and they were only 8 minutes from the center. Unless they were traveling very fast that means the center of Volgon must have only been about 2500 meters deep. If the center of the earth was only around that deep the earth would be the size of a small asteroid.
Great ending on this episode with that endearing phrase, I mean it should be alright but you never know quite from the doctor .. Then they end up on earth after taking the transmat and finding themselves in the company of lost colonists, or were they a military expedition .? and Lynx the Sontaran sometime in the future after doing a superman type time travel maneuver
Yeah, you're almost right... almost.
The actual running order of this arc is...
1. The Ark in Space
2. The Sontaran Experiment
3.Genesis of the Daleks
4. Revenge of the Cybermen
5. Terror oh the Zygons, (in which we lose Harry).
But thanks for playing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is serendipitous, I just watched this episode for the first time and am currently watching the Behind The Sofa special feature. Brilliant.
Tom Baker is still my favorite Dr
For me Tom then Jon then Trougton. Hartnell was just unlikable. I hated Colin’s doctor. Davison and Mckoy were just there
He's okay, but frankly I find he gets overhyped by the fanbase. 🤷♂️
It's a fun story except for the Cybermen's voices. That's the only thing that let's this down for me. Even the chunkier piping redesign on the cyber suits, which are otherwise based on the Invasion Cyberman style is interesting. Such a shame that Tom only got one outing with the Cybermen on TV. Big Finish has since fixed that for us, and the voice effect too!
I'm self isolating. This clip resonated with me ☹
Wow! On 45 seconds, there's the Forerunner of the Face-hugger in Alien, the Hydrobot from Terminator:Salvation and the music from Red Dwarf. A veritable treasure trove of "inspiration" 😉
On The Genesis of the Daleks DVD commentary Tom Baker talks about how many things Ridley Scott and others ripped off from DW.
“The beacon is ours” the cybermen.
BEST CYBERMEN AND DOC EVER 🇬🇧
Dunno, I prefer the Troughton era Cybermen more. Same with his Doctor.
Troughton my best and them cyber men ,
@@lillianflorence6056 All cybermen are bad ass 🤠🤟💯👍
This exciting and perfectly written drama went on to be a priceless work of acting.
17:13 Sarah is just so pretty!
Old fashion pretty.....not contemporary Hooker Pretty.
@@STho205 LOL! I'm sooooo stealing that comment.
I loved this show as a kid this was the best doctor.
Wonderful 4 and Sarah Jane ❤ ♥
Tom backer at the end lol he’s nearly. 90
Amazing 🤩 I love this episode
The Cybermen are as deadly adversaries just like the Daleks to the Doctor.
Tragic that both of the Doctor's assistants have passed. Tom always had a strong life force.
Unlike many, I like the Cybermen in this story much better the 80's versions.
Needed better voices though, and less emotion.
This is so creative and beautiful is wonderful show...I love how they made TV and movies then
The Cybermen were notably lenient by Cybermen standards in this story. Not only don't they kill automatically but they even allow time for the doctor and co to get away and their reward for this compassion, they end up dead, poor Cybermen...
It gave me the shivers as a kid as the cybermen emerge from the airlock, I think it’s the music I just wish their weapons where a bit more convincing and the cyber leader wasn’t so camp
“Total machine creatures”
Um, actually…
At 6.30 the Dr uses the sonic screwdriver on a heatsink!
Classic Who Cybermen were awesome. New Who Cybermen are like wind up toys = garbage.
Ever notice every cave in Doctor Who has a flat floor?
Baker is still the best Doctor. He embodies the role so completely.
I love how the doctor has sweets, an apple core and a yo-yo in his pockets.
Whaaaaaat, I havent seen Dr Who since the 80's on PBS in Boston......wow, miss this show
I always thought the old Cybermen were kinda cute…
I met Elizabeth Slayden in 2005 at a sci fi show in Birmingham. We arrived really early and she was standing by a stall putting out books photos etc. I polightly said hello expecting her to just say hello back but she stopped what she was doing and chatted. I asked if I could take a photo and she said " Yes ofcourse..but do it now while my make up is still fresh and not running down my face" and started to giggle. I took her photo and then she said "Let's have one together" and put her arm round me and pulled me close! I couldn't believe my luck and I was on cloud 9 for the whole day! She was witty, Charming and beautiful and a sad loss to us all.
"Who's the homicidal maniac?"
...and they just get rid of him by accident.
17:19 This is how to avoid evil.
Perfect👌
Only just noticed that in this clip also, after watching these episodes so many times. What a delightful period of Dr Who this was.
Dose anyone think that they should bring out a box set that has the full episode's of doctor who confidential ?
You can find them on the Doctor Who Confidential TH-cam channel. They've been releasing something even this week.
this makes me feel old,,lucky its just on the outside, sifi has come a long way to date
thanks for sharing,,xxx
If you lived on the planet of gold, what would the price of dirt be?
15:42 When Stormtroopers actually hit their target 😂
17:18 Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil🙉🙈🙊; they did the same reference in Friends and The Powerpuff Girls Movie, and those are just the first examples that come to mind.
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The original Planet of the Apes too.
one of my favorite stories
One of my fav episodes
05:06 oh, the Cybermen were _actually_ listen to that piece of music there.
Technology so advanced that you can hear the tape being fed too quickly even though it's nowhere near the playback head!
Surf Wisely.
The cybermats look like a rather unsuccessful, experimental, Dyson vacuum cleaner attachment.
For me the Cybermen always had so much potential, we're always fascinating but I never bought into any story since the original as terrifying smart characters. The OG Cybermen from the look, voice and motivation was utterly terrifying with perhaps real life consequences one day with human type/robot cyborgs. Everything since has felt like caricatures.
THE MUSIC IN THIS!
I really liked the plot and the writing in this serial. I’ll give it a 7 out of 10. I really enjoyed that every character got something important to do to help
Progress the storyline. Sarah Jane and Harry’s interaction were so amusing and entertaining especially when they found the gold and were caught. The Tardis Trio seemed so close in this serial and worked well off each other. Acting was top notch even from the Support Cast. The reason for the revenge of the Cybermen even made sense. The updated Cybermen looked so good and even felt somewhat threatening during episode 2-3. But what really dragged it down were the Vagon people. They were annoying and idk. They felt so forced into this storyline. That’s why I just gave it a 7/10. I think they should’ve used Genesis of the Daleks as a serial ending and have put this one before it. But season 12 wasn’t cursed. It had great continuity, a great cast and iconic serials. I really loved. Now on to season 13!
Tom you were and always will be my Doctor!
The script is credited to my old mate Gerry Davis... but not a word of his submission ended up on screen. The Vogans weren’t in his script, either. His included miners held captive in an asteroid containing gold. Neither versions are perfect but the original text - recently recorded by Big Finish - make for a better story, IMO. Although I might be a bit biased.
Big Finish do wonderful productions. And they're clever at recognizing good stories and recruiting great performers. Im sure they did the script justice.
Cheers
12:22 " they're moving into dogging orbit " 😆
"Lister I'll help him let the doctors toke over console"
Are these echos from the past influencing Red dwarfs future
I mean just look at the uniform....
Brings but great memories i appreciated it back then, so has it's faults get over it it get me why people pick it apart a story- episode , just putting my two cents worth in Kim Everrett Tasmania Australia