The reason it failed is because all of the movies got ZERO marketing. I only ever knew cause a trailer from IGN would show up whenever a new movie was released, but DC did not care about these movies and just sent them all out to die.
that’s true i didn’t know any of the projects besides man of tomorrow and the batman long halloween movies everything else i learned about after they had already release months before 💀
@@Shawnodachi if you're a real Batman fan, you would've loved part 3 of crisis. Your opinion is inconsistent. Part 3 and 2 is kinda a Batman movie lol
@@joshuabastien8909 this video mainly talked about the movies leading up to crisis. I didn’t like part 1 of crisis because it felt all over the place and they tried to use the movie as a small fix to the problems that I stated but it didn’t work for me. Crisis part 2 and 3 was better than the first one but it still doesn’t change the fact that this universe felt rushed after the long Halloween.
I prefer being able to tell DC apart from Marvel thanks. I mean the Jim Lee Artstyle works for Marvel, but not DC...and the Nu52 tried to make DC Marvel...no thank you! Marvel is realistic, DC is idealistic...we don't need the idealistic world becoming the realistic one. What's so great about a fictional idealistic world like a DC comic being realistic?
@@TheNerdZone777 there were style differences in projects up to 2014. The style that lasted the longest was the 1996 Ocean Liner Deco overhaul of the Dark Deco look from 1992 which itself was an update to the original 1941 Fleischer theatrical serials. It's also still the most popular style choice to use for modern DC because it combines both Alex Toth and Jack Kirby's standard designs....Toth's outlines+ Kirby's square looks. Pre-Crisis the designs by Alex Toth were the most popular for Super Friends and Filmation (aside from Supes having Curt Swan's face-designs) with the only time the designs got an update was when 1985 pulled an overhaul by Josè Luís Lopez-Garcia and that style remained up through 1990's Swamp Thing by DiC as it was also used for R/S Superman with it serving as a transitionary style between a return to Dark Deco and the Classic Toth look.
I think it’s because they kinda felt soulless , I mean I wouldn’t say the new52 was miles better , but it was definitely something. But dc gotta do better and focus on other stores , instead of this multiverse shit , I really want solo stories
Please please please stop the multiverse shit.🙏 I am so tired of seeing it EVERYWHERE. I never thought it was interesting to begin with but I put up with it for a while. Enough is enough though. It's so boring, uninteresting, and has run its course.
Think it didn't help that they basically had no music for a good chunk of the movies. While the little melodies they had were super forgettable generic tunes. Hardly anybody talk about it, but it made the experience really dry.
The new 52-esque animated film universe got criticized for being too dark (I personally liked it) BUT the tomorrowverse to me felt so unnecessarily dark/cynical with its gruesome deaths and numerous heroes becoming villains
Green Lantern: Beware My Power was terrible. The story isn't based on John's origin or a new, unique origin; it's taken from Kyle Rayner's origin... If writers think John's origin is bland & needs updating, they should come up with something original instead of just cutting & pasting from another character. I mean, Bruce Timm & Paul Dini came up with a new origin for Mr. Freeze, & it was so good that it became the definitive origin for the character, so it can be done. But the GL writers were either too lazy or incapable of coming up with anything original.
I didn't really care for this universe because it just didn't look appealing. I heard budget was low for the animation department and that's okay. The coloring/art style just looked so bland. Imo that is idk about others
The artstyle was meant to immitate the old Johnny Quest style for Pre-Crisis. Post-Crisis early on looked similar, but eventually took on a more Superpowers Team: Galactic Guardians look which more or less remained the comic style for a long time with simplified Bruce Timm versions co-existing in the multiverse as well as Alex Ross styles...and Alex Ross' style is considered the most unique because he actually paints it how Jimmy Olsen and Vicki Vale capture it on their camera lenses...you can see the suits are shiny where they need to be, the textures and folds on their clothes and you can actually even see bullets either bounce off Clark's chest or Diana's bracelets in streaks of silver and the glowing green energies of the Lantern Corps....as well as feel a large breeze when Wally runs by.
@@wandawhite1592 this was actually a reversion to a more classic look though with some modern influence. Now if we were to go back to the original designs from 1940's...we would really have fun.
I have always stated that Marvel made great live action series and awful animated series, while DC made awful live action series and great animated series. Nowadays I'm not so sure.
Tomorrowverse animation style was really good and batman the long Halloween both parts was one of the greatest dc animated movie it does get much aprreaction also superman man of tomorrow was a good movie, but main problem with tomorrowverse was that it was too rushed especially crossovers between superheroes. Since tomorrowverse ended dc should focus more on other characters such as red hood we only got one movie on red hood also a solo movie on nightwigh or joker animated movie
I feel like the issue with these was they attempted to delve into some of the stranger comic book material after the long Halloween and tried a bit too hard not to repeat material from the previous saga. Now, when you take the material as a whole and as a continuation of the previous saga it feels a lot better.
Ok gonna be honest I love Long Halloween, both are some of my favorite superhero movies ever, but Green Lantern (hal) is my favorite comic book character but that movie not only did him dirty but also Kyle whose also one of my favorites cause they just gave his story it to John Stewart and botched it hard especially parallax who was written poorly
As I understood it, the pitch for the tomorrow verse was 20 movies… But the Studio said, do it in 10, which I think explains a lot of the gripes you have with the tomorrow verse
I did like the first four and i did actually really enjoy crisis on infinite earths which i wasn't expecting at all with green lantern and warworld. If only we could have another Timmverse in movie form and it would be perfect.
@@sirbruno95 yeah, an interconnected universe should take time to properly develop. The mcu took the same amount of time from iron man to endgame so I'd say that is the correct time period it should be developed over
IMO this could have been heavily influenced by things behind the scenes. Jensen Ackles was Batman - if he said he wasn't available to do Justice League after the Long Halloween, say if he wanted to film the Boys, that would definitely be a thing that would make them change things around and release 2 movies (without Batman) "out of order". It also coincides a bit too well with the new Batman show on Max. There were big shifts happening at the company around that time, with Gunn taking over and whatnot. It feels in many ways like they started out having a plan (until Long Halloween) but then were told to start scrapping everything and preparing for the new thing. It would be interesting if they tried having multiple animated series and films in the same universe again, I believe there's a chance for that. Don't get me wrong, the movies itself had a bunch of structural and script problems - like how Parralax Hal came down and singlehandedly wiped THE WHOLE Gl CORPS AND THE GUARDIANS AT ONCE and then basically got 1v1'd by John Stewart with a basic Power Ring... 🤦♂️ I was at least hoping they would do "villian realizes his mistake and loses willingly", that would work mich better, but no. But that's like the one egregious example, everything else was minor compared to it.
The JSA movie got some elements of a planned Wonder Woman show by Butch Lukich in it...and WB actually told a guy who knew what do with her...no, put it in the movie. I mean yes, she is a JSA member and glad they said she's in charge (because she's the Secretary of Defense), but really she couldn't get her own tv show just because of 1984's sour taste? It really looked like Lukich was going the Marston route too...right down to "I can only marry you after all the evils in the world are vanquished Steve and his endless proposals that wind up being games between Hawkman and Black Canary about if it's gonna be yes or still no today"
Biggest takeaway: Don't fix what isn't broken. I loved when each story had its own art style & didn't have to be this homogeneous, interconnected beast. By doing that, they stripped away the very thing that made the DCAU movies visually & stylistically interesting.
You can tell they had a much larger plan for the Tomorrowverse but it was likely rushed because of James Gunn’s DCU reboot. They were definitely trying to build up to a proper Justice League but right up until Green Lantern, they just skipped so much stuff, then Warworld happens and we’re supposed to pretend Wonder Woman was always around and was already a member of the team but its so jarring because we missed so much stuff in between the movies and I really think this universe was rushed because of what was happening with the live action stuff and they wanted to reboot and start connecting all forms of media into one timeline.
Wonder Woman was probably using those "multiversal hopping" things given the whole JSA business that happens pre-crisis and acting as part of the team, but only on select missions as Vixen takes her place as a founder of the league since they expressly wanted Diana as the leader of the JSA and to be long lived.
I think besides the Batman and Superman movies, there weren’t a lot of great movies that really had me invested in the universe. The problem is that there was no character interactions between each other.
Something important to point out is the main team in charge of the Tomorrowverse were ONLY GIVEN A few movies. The team wanted more to flesh out the universe but WB or whoever told the team they could only have a certain amount
I saw an interview with the people running the Tomorrowverse abd apparently they were told they could only do like between 7 to 10 movies that was it and it was mostly done to just keep things going in the animation department until the James Gunn universe starts, busy work basically an appetizer to keep people looking theor way it was never meant to wow people or go on for very long.
Honestly I couldn’t get past the character designs, these could’ve been the best movies and I still wouldn’t be able to sit through them. Batman The Long Halloween was the closest to keep me watching.
It was just extremely rushed. A few years ago I watched the long Halloween and man of tomorrow and I actually loved both of them, but then it felt like the week after they were already doing crisis. Just too rushed, had potential but i dont know why they did what they did. At this point I actually legitimately hate crisis because there are no stakes in it anymore and they will just throw it in and act like it’s important even though the universe resets every Tuesday. DC used to be the powerhouse in animation vs marvel. They still are, but now it’s only because marvel has shit like what if season 2 lurking around in the trash.
I was born in 83, I grew up on the DCAU as it was happening. Adults made those cartoons for kids. Now my generation is the adults making these cartoons and we can't make anything like the cartoons we enjoyed as kids. Look at the recent X-Men 97 reboot. It was supposed to be a continuation of the 90s animated series, a kid's cartoon that handled mature adult themes without takling down to the intended audience. X-Men 97 had none of the heart and quality that made the original series great. It had violence, it had blood and death, it dabbled with modern identity politics, but it was a show clearly aimed at the adults who grew up with the original series and had none of the heart of that series or spoke with the maturity it did to a kid audience. The modern DC animated features suffer from the same lack of heart/ quality in my opinion. Look how far the adaptations stray from their source material. That used to be part of what made the 90s X-Men and Batman cartoons so great, they faithfully adapted as much as they could from the source material. When they did their own stories without adaptations, you often didn't know it because the quality of those episodes was the same as the adapted ones. We have more tools and resources than the previous generation did and yet the quality of what we produce today is evidently lesser. Look at the difference between Michael Jordan's Space Jam and LeBron James', none of the heart of Jordan's.
Green lantern beware my power movie is piece of crab that movie created only to humilated and get rid of hal jordan john stewart will never never never surpassed hal jordan.
the two biggest reasons why i LOVE (and i my fav batman movie). the long halloween are the story(it set in gotham and no superheores,just batman solving a crime and we can see his detective side. after all he is the worlds greatest detective.) AND NO MUSIC( i dont know who will agree but a film with no music,just the ambient real life sounds of the city,the cars,the wind,the rain... it just makes it so PERFECT for the batman movie)
Also for Warworld serves for ambiguity and the unknown feeling (despite of the sh1ty writing), for superman give the sensation of nature considering Sups lived on a Farm, for Crisis 2, more space unknown vibes like 2001 (not saying same quality)
You were very positive with insightful feedback. I was so disappointed with every movie some much more than others. Can't wait for the next chapter cause it can't be worse than this
It didn't fail, it was sabotaged. As always, WB was the problem. The writers planned 20 movies, WB ended up mandating 10 movies. And when Discovery bought WB, they laid off more than half of WB's animation department. Despite the problems, the movies still made a profit. But the execs aren't satisfied with only making a few million in profits, they want to make hundreds of millions.
Yeah, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Those last 3 movies were FIRE! Didn't Constantine have a story as well that you skipped. Could've done without them ishing on Hal Jordan but beside that the connections were pretty solid. From War world to Darkseid's death to Constantine and the Spectre, and destruction of the multiverse from the Anit-monitor, it was pretty good. Also, felt like that was the point. ALL of it was Elseworld stories. It took place in a scenario where Darkseid was killed off and had NO influence on the verse
The problem I had with it was it was really brushed, like the bat. The superman movie that started it just came out like a few years ago, and now it's over it needed more time to grow
It had a good start but I'm heavily convinced that the direction was changed midway they had to rush to end the universe as soon as possible for some reasons So the main issue is that they rushed things not taking their time establish a good universe, ironically the same problem with the DCEU
If you think that the time skips and off screen interactions are bad, wait until you see the crisis on infinite earths trilogy, like, i waited until the three of them were released to see them all one after another and, man they are a headache, like there is so much to unpack in the tiny amounts of time, the whole passing is confusing and the transitions between movies are very messy
The tomorrowverse really started off good especially with man of tommorow and the absolute peak of the Long halloween and I just felt that it nosedived in green lantern because they tried to speed things up too quickly making jt just bad in the sad end.
I have to agree with most of what you said, the biggest thing I believe that at the franchise was actually I didn't feel the epicness from mainly the score/soundtrack of the movies. The movies of the Superman red son, injustice, and the Gotham by gaslight I believe loosely connected to the tomorrow reverse search for the only reason for the multiverse. That also goes with the Batman the Doom comes to Gotham animated movie as well. I thought that they should add some kind of mention of those worlds in the Infinity Crisis movies in some way of capacity.
It's literally the same reasoning Batman v Superman doesn't work, or the justice league in the same verse. They rushed to the end, simply wanting movie versions of the big events in the comics, not understanding why those worked to begin with. It's the same reasoning civil war didn't work either, but at least there, they didn't introduce many new characters and changed the plot entirely, here they just expect drag and drop to work entirely.
50/50 DCEU never had an actual lore, even Snyder messed up things for future movies like Dick Grayson and without an ending, the flash look like a normal movie instead of an (at least rushed) ending. Tomorrowverse on the other hand, build for the event, had a beginning and an ending, despite of some mistakes (gl movie) it was a decent unvierse, even Crisis 1 and 2 serves as many answers to plot holes and conecction to the main event, not perfect but still worked
I'll be honest, The Long Halloween was the only movie that was worth putting out. Man of Tomorrow and GLBMP were alright. in my opinion, the other movies were mediocre at best. And when they weren't mediocre, you get Legion of Superhero. Overall, it feels like they were just putting out movies for the sake of putting out movies... Which is not good.
Every time I started one of the movies it always felt like a part 2 that I never saw part 1. Its was very confusing at times. And took a lot to figure out what was happening.
Long Halloween has the most rewatch value to me. It's a stand alone story and keeps the focus on Batman while the others rely heavily on continuity between films and shove so many characters in them.
Im so exited for Final Crisis until I turn first part on and turn off straight away. Just can’t bear with the animation style. I want art style before Apokalypse war back
They indeed felt like elseworlds stories. My friends didnt want to watch them cause they thought it was just random AU stuff like marvel's what ifs. Meanwhile DC lost me after the abomination that was apokolipse war.
David Zaslav and James Gunn are why it failed. The Tomorrowverse was launched pre-Zaslav with the intention of spanning 12-20 movies covering multiple stories both classic and modern. Then David Zaslav bought Warner Brothers from AT&T, then Zaslav started trimming the meat while saving the fat. (IE cutting costs everywhere while lining his pockets, firing everyone, and hiring people for cheaper.) James Gunn’s movie is a major hit, while the Snyderverse fails, the DCAMU (New 52) bum-rushed most of the New 52 adaptations and all the cultivated in a Shareholder board that had no faith in its Animated department and saw it as a massive excessive waste of money (Despite themselves being a massive waste of money and for hiring consulting COMIC BOOK LEVEL EVIL companies like McKinley) and that is how you get the complete erasure of every DC property and another Prime Earth the Gunn Earth. The Tomorrowverse wasn’t even supposed to adapt Crisis events from the comics to the animated movie franchise.
Interesting. It looks like I picked the right blurays to get. I got the first four skipped the Green Lantern one, and got the Legion of Superheroes. But no more after that. I was interested in getting the Crisis ones, but you make a valid point. Not sure if I will bother..
War world legit made me mad. I worked a 13 hour shift in a factory, paid 20 bucks for the movie, just for it to be ass and not even a real Justice League movie. Tomorrow verse is only good with the Superman movie and the Batman ones
I fear this is what's going to happen to James Gunns DCU too. Look at the Superman movie. It has so many characters. They are trying to introduce Supergirl before Batman and Wonder Women. They are speed running again
Man of tomorrow was the only like stand out one and the long Halloween and crisis movies had their great moment but everything else was either mid or bad
Superman man of tomorrow’s was refresh but other movies like green lantern, supergirl, and warworld feel lame plots because of Hal jordon, mon el, and my favorite boi is Jonah hex acting good and twist plots turn villains like wtf? No excuse there have plenty of villains not heroes turn evil
I wasn't a fan of most of the New 52 era movies (or New 52 in general). As for the Tomorrowerse movies, I feel like there were far too few movies to tell the stories that they tried to tell....way too may characters crammed in for us to care about them all or become emotionally invested in the stories. And yeah, I fully agree with your comments on Warworld. I was sooo looking forward to a proper justice league movie and instead we got a giant extended dream sequence that didn't really 'count'. Waste of time.
The TOMORROWVERSE had a lot of potential, and ending the series without properly forming the Justice League was a huge CRIME. In my opinion, the downfall of this universe began with the Warner Bros. Discovery merger, particularly when James Gunn became the head of DC Studios. It seems that with Gunn's plan to align the animated series with the main live-action movies, the existing animated universe may cease to exist. The decline in quality was likely one factor leading to this decision under the new management.
I didn't even know these movies were connected until the 3rd Crisis movie came out, and I didn't even know the first two came out until the 3rd one was being released. DC did such a bad job with marketing these movies, I hope they do better with whatever animated universe is coming next.
They had a good start with Superman and Halloween then suddenly they decided to open the Pandora's Box (multiverse/reboot/nostalgia bait/flashpoint) again and that all became the focus of everything
The way I hear it, can't remember where I heard it from but apparently it was supposed to be about twenty movies or more but they were told to do it all in about ten films.
I thought king Halloween was average and I remember liking the Superman movie kinda. Warworld was so bad like how do you mess that up? Should’ve been the justice league forced to be space gladiators or something cool like that. The Kamandi short was actually really good and I highly recommend it. If anyone is a fan of Jack Kirby’s art style you’ll love it.
DC animated movies have been in a down hill since Justice League War which was when they started adapted crap from the NEW 52, a few where decent, but majority lack the quality and story telling of the movies that came before from Flashpoint to Mask of the Phantasm, the Tomorrow Verse was just a even worse version of the DCAU movies, to be honest I hope DC actually just go back to adapt classic storylines like they did with The Dark Knight Returns, The Tower of Babel (JL Doom), and Under the Red Hood, this is when DC animated films where awesome, you didn't need to watch all , each entry was it's own universe, I want they go back to do that, there are so many amazing stories in DC comics that fit this format that would be great to adapt and would great potential drafts for what the live action movies could do.........like I would not mind an adaptation of Wonder Woman Dead Earth, of Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow (in animation in case the live action suck XD), or Batgirl year one.
@@jflexy1344 tbh in my opinion there were a couple that were okay but most were kind of mid they never really reached the heights of like under the Red Hood , Wonder woman, Green lantern first flight, or Batman Superman public enemies
@@esiasfrost2306 those movies you named are there own stand alone movies they don't take part in any continuity. So yeah makes sense for them to be better than dcamu or dcau
@@Kusanagikaiser999 i know you’re an og. I really noticed the quality got low around the time that teen titans vs justice league came out . Some of the voice acting and pacing of some scenes was just off and then it hit me ! From there the quality only got lower and lower
I felt like the whole thing felt rushed. Green Lantern movie was the last one I saw and I skipped JSA WWII. (Also gonna add I didn’t hate the Green Lantern movie mostly because I’m a John Stewart fan because of the DCAU and not a Hal Jordan fan because of the Ryan Reynolds movie)
Don’t give up brother I’m a editor to and all of my edits get only 30-100 likes and I don’t give up so bro don’t give up yourself like CR7 he always says work hard and you can do it ❤❤
Man of Tomorrow and Long Halloween were good.
Isn’t the characters in the tommrow verse the same has before apocalypse war
@@ChosenOne-il4bm no, but this universe was created because of the events in Apocalypse War.
Man of Tomorrow was terrible. Superman was weak, needed help and even did not defeat the enemy
I liked the legion of heroes too
Well be happy, it’s dead now😂
The reason it failed is because all of the movies got ZERO marketing. I only ever knew cause a trailer from IGN would show up whenever a new movie was released, but DC did not care about these movies and just sent them all out to die.
Yeah that’s also a big reason. And that’s a problem for both animated and live action movies
yep couple that with the extremely convoluted plot that keeps refering to movies people didn't know existed this thing was basically designed to fail
that’s true i didn’t know any of the projects besides man of tomorrow and the batman long halloween movies
everything else i learned about after they had already release months before 💀
@@issy785 the only one's I knew of where house of mystery and the green lantern one with John Stewart
Eh most people probably don't even care about these animated movies anyway
I thought the Superman movie, and long Halloween was okay. This new universe was awful tho
Yeah things really fell apart after the long halloween
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I don't agree the crisis on infinite earths referenced 50 plus years of animation. Literally a master piece
@@Shawnodachi if you're a real Batman fan, you would've loved part 3 of crisis. Your opinion is inconsistent. Part 3 and 2 is kinda a Batman movie lol
@@joshuabastien8909 this video mainly talked about the movies leading up to crisis. I didn’t like part 1 of crisis because it felt all over the place and they tried to use the movie as a small fix to the problems that I stated but it didn’t work for me. Crisis part 2 and 3 was better than the first one but it still doesn’t change the fact that this universe felt rushed after the long Halloween.
Art style was ass ngl that’s why I couldn’t be bothered with it. Huge step down from the DCAMU artistically.
Respectable take
I prefer being able to tell DC apart from Marvel thanks.
I mean the Jim Lee Artstyle works for Marvel, but not DC...and the Nu52 tried to make DC Marvel...no thank you! Marvel is realistic, DC is idealistic...we don't need the idealistic world becoming the realistic one. What's so great about a fictional idealistic world like a DC comic being realistic?
DC had been doing the same art style for a decade now, you just a close minded individual 🤣
@@TheNerdZone777 there were style differences in projects up to 2014.
The style that lasted the longest was the 1996 Ocean Liner Deco overhaul of the Dark Deco look from 1992 which itself was an update to the original 1941 Fleischer theatrical serials. It's also still the most popular style choice to use for modern DC because it combines both Alex Toth and Jack Kirby's standard designs....Toth's outlines+ Kirby's square looks.
Pre-Crisis the designs by Alex Toth were the most popular for Super Friends and Filmation (aside from Supes having Curt Swan's face-designs) with the only time the designs got an update was when 1985 pulled an overhaul by Josè Luís Lopez-Garcia and that style remained up through 1990's Swamp Thing by DiC as it was also used for R/S Superman with it serving as a transitionary style between a return to Dark Deco and the Classic Toth look.
@@TheNerdZone777What? You can clearly tell the Tomorrowverse has its own artstyle similar to “Archer”. This is a new artstyle.
I think it’s because they kinda felt soulless , I mean I wouldn’t say the new52 was miles better , but it was definitely something. But dc gotta do better and focus on other stores , instead of this multiverse shit , I really want solo stories
Please please please stop the multiverse shit.🙏 I am so tired of seeing it EVERYWHERE. I never thought it was interesting to begin with but I put up with it for a while. Enough is enough though. It's so boring, uninteresting, and has run its course.
Think it didn't help that they basically had no music for a good chunk of the movies. While the little melodies they had were super forgettable generic tunes.
Hardly anybody talk about it, but it made the experience really dry.
They need to start over at the ground level. Give us great stories about the heroes without propaganda through it that breaks the immersion
New 52 was wayyyyyyy better. Not even close
@@JBD915 worst* a improvised universe, Tomorrowverse at least had an actual plan
The new 52-esque animated film universe got criticized for being too dark (I personally liked it) BUT the tomorrowverse to me felt so unnecessarily dark/cynical with its gruesome deaths and numerous heroes becoming villains
Those old DCAU movies were my favourite. The new ones were boring.
@@lokeshr9794 especially the second crisis movie; it moved so slow
It was never about it being dark, but it was juvenile for me. It had no sublety, and it was way too corny.
@@qualivia and superhero comics usually have a heaping helping of corn...Superman's from Kansas afterall!
You’re missing the Constantine movies…
Remember the good old days when DC movies could just be their own thing and not have to be part of a massive universe?
It was like "Archer" was still in a coma, dreaming about comic books...
3 seasons of Archer in a coma still beats Archer post coma S11-S14.
@@RomaroBrandonSeason 8 was honestly amazing. Season 9 was great too.
Yea but Archer was good.
Justice League war was peak
Death Of Superman
That's dark universe
Ehhhhhh
Marvel animation couldn’t touch dcau at this level
I hated the art style... it was looking like archer but trashier
I still miss DCAMU style. They use 52 accurate designs.
It's a new universe, they even justified the style with Constantine showcase
Green Lantern: Beware My Power was terrible. The story isn't based on John's origin or a new, unique origin; it's taken from Kyle Rayner's origin... If writers think John's origin is bland & needs updating, they should come up with something original instead of just cutting & pasting from another character. I mean, Bruce Timm & Paul Dini came up with a new origin for Mr. Freeze, & it was so good that it became the definitive origin for the character, so it can be done. But the GL writers were either too lazy or incapable of coming up with anything original.
I’ve not seen them all.
Superman: Man of tomorrow, and Batman the long Halloween were great.
Just society world war 2 I didn’t love.
I didn't really care for this universe because it just didn't look appealing. I heard budget was low for the animation department and that's okay. The coloring/art style just looked so bland. Imo that is idk about others
The artstyle was meant to immitate the old Johnny Quest style for Pre-Crisis. Post-Crisis early on looked similar, but eventually took on a more Superpowers Team: Galactic Guardians look which more or less remained the comic style for a long time with simplified Bruce Timm versions co-existing in the multiverse as well as Alex Ross styles...and Alex Ross' style is considered the most unique because he actually paints it how Jimmy Olsen and Vicki Vale capture it on their camera lenses...you can see the suits are shiny where they need to be, the textures and folds on their clothes and you can actually even see bullets either bounce off Clark's chest or Diana's bracelets in streaks of silver and the glowing green energies of the Lantern Corps....as well as feel a large breeze when Wally runs by.
They need to stop changing the DC superhero characters' looks
@@wandawhite1592 this was actually a reversion to a more classic look though with some modern influence.
Now if we were to go back to the original designs from 1940's...we would really have fun.
Harley quinn show has a better artstyle
I agree
Long Halloween is peak
I like that Falcone has dimension unlike in The Batman
Man of tommorrow was one of my favorites
Yea it was one of the best for sure
Damn that sucks. I actually liked Ackle's Batman
The long Halloween was phenomenal
Green lantern was by far the worst
Respectable take. War world legit pissed me off though
As if world war didn’t existed
By far! They threw so much disrespect all over the place, especially to the one, true, real Green Lantern, Hal Jordan.
I have always stated that Marvel made great live action series and awful animated series, while DC made awful live action series and great animated series.
Nowadays I'm not so sure.
Honestly, beside a few bangers, everything kinda sucks now
Tomorrowverse animation style was really good and batman the long Halloween both parts was one of the greatest dc animated movie it does get much aprreaction also superman man of tomorrow was a good movie, but main problem with tomorrowverse was that it was too rushed especially crossovers between superheroes. Since tomorrowverse ended dc should focus more on other characters such as red hood we only got one movie on red hood also a solo movie on nightwigh or joker animated movie
Technically we got two. Under the Red Hood and Death in the Family which used the art style and scenes from Under the Red Hood
Who cares about Reed Hood?
I thought the animation was a BIG step back honestly
I hated the art style. Hated the writing.
long halloween was tomorrowverse? thought it was just one of a dozen stand alone batman films.
I feel like the issue with these was they attempted to delve into some of the stranger comic book material after the long Halloween and tried a bit too hard not to repeat material from the previous saga. Now, when you take the material as a whole and as a continuation of the previous saga it feels a lot better.
Year One and Under the Red Hood are on the same level as Return of the Joker and (maybe) Mask of the Phantasm
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Ok gonna be honest I love Long Halloween, both are some of my favorite superhero movies ever, but Green Lantern (hal) is my favorite comic book character but that movie not only did him dirty but also Kyle whose also one of my favorites cause they just gave his story it to John Stewart and botched it hard especially parallax who was written poorly
As I understood it, the pitch for the tomorrow verse was 20 movies… But the Studio said, do it in 10, which I think explains a lot of the gripes you have with the tomorrow verse
I did like the first four and i did actually really enjoy crisis on infinite earths which i wasn't expecting at all with green lantern and warworld. If only we could have another Timmverse in movie form and it would be perfect.
I think we need an actual historically adapted DCU for once...with only minor changes that would make logical sense after the Crisis.
I mean, the Timmverse took about 12 years to develop from BTAS to JLU.
@@sirbruno95 yeah, an interconnected universe should take time to properly develop. The mcu took the same amount of time from iron man to endgame so I'd say that is the correct time period it should be developed over
The only TomorrowVerse movies I like was Batman The Long Halloween, Superman Man of Tomorrow, and Green Lantern Beware My Power.
Beware my Power was so cringy, so bad. I'm so glad they are ending this "universe".
It was beyond bad. Although the crisis on infinite earth movies also sucked big time.
why they gotta kill all the other universes in part three tho, that was my question. That was some BS.....
Because they hate other universes besides the recent ones
@@FreshFalcon they’re allergic to making money ig
They weak ass hell for that
I think that was the point of the comic.
@@santinasoreal9907no it was supposed to happen.
IMO this could have been heavily influenced by things behind the scenes. Jensen Ackles was Batman - if he said he wasn't available to do Justice League after the Long Halloween, say if he wanted to film the Boys, that would definitely be a thing that would make them change things around and release 2 movies (without Batman) "out of order".
It also coincides a bit too well with the new Batman show on Max. There were big shifts happening at the company around that time, with Gunn taking over and whatnot. It feels in many ways like they started out having a plan (until Long Halloween) but then were told to start scrapping everything and preparing for the new thing. It would be interesting if they tried having multiple animated series and films in the same universe again, I believe there's a chance for that.
Don't get me wrong, the movies itself had a bunch of structural and script problems - like how Parralax Hal came down and singlehandedly wiped THE WHOLE Gl CORPS AND THE GUARDIANS AT ONCE and then basically got 1v1'd by John Stewart with a basic Power Ring... 🤦♂️ I was at least hoping they would do "villian realizes his mistake and loses willingly", that would work mich better, but no. But that's like the one egregious example, everything else was minor compared to it.
The JSA movie got some elements of a planned Wonder Woman show by Butch Lukich in it...and WB actually told a guy who knew what do with her...no, put it in the movie. I mean yes, she is a JSA member and glad they said she's in charge (because she's the Secretary of Defense), but really she couldn't get her own tv show just because of 1984's sour taste? It really looked like Lukich was going the Marston route too...right down to "I can only marry you after all the evils in the world are vanquished Steve and his endless proposals that wind up being games between Hawkman and Black Canary about if it's gonna be yes or still no today"
Biggest takeaway: Don't fix what isn't broken. I loved when each story had its own art style & didn't have to be this homogeneous, interconnected beast.
By doing that, they stripped away the very thing that made the DCAU movies visually & stylistically interesting.
You can tell they had a much larger plan for the Tomorrowverse but it was likely rushed because of James Gunn’s DCU reboot. They were definitely trying to build up to a proper Justice League but right up until Green Lantern, they just skipped so much stuff, then Warworld happens and we’re supposed to pretend Wonder Woman was always around and was already a member of the team but its so jarring because we missed so much stuff in between the movies and I really think this universe was rushed because of what was happening with the live action stuff and they wanted to reboot and start connecting all forms of media into one timeline.
Wonder Woman was probably using those "multiversal hopping" things given the whole JSA business that happens pre-crisis and acting as part of the team, but only on select missions as Vixen takes her place as a founder of the league since they expressly wanted Diana as the leader of the JSA and to be long lived.
I think besides the Batman and Superman movies, there weren’t a lot of great movies that really had me invested in the universe. The problem is that there was no character interactions between each other.
Something important to point out is the main team in charge of the Tomorrowverse were ONLY GIVEN A few movies. The team wanted more to flesh out the universe but WB or whoever told the team they could only have a certain amount
They requested 20 if I'm not mistake
I saw an interview with the people running the Tomorrowverse abd apparently they were told they could only do like between 7 to 10 movies that was it and it was mostly done to just keep things going in the animation department until the James Gunn universe starts, busy work basically an appetizer to keep people looking theor way it was never meant to wow people or go on for very long.
That stupid at the point it no reason to be invested.
@@yougottrolled5799 well its over now the Gunnverse is starting
I somehow didn’t even know the Tomorrowverse existed. Thanks for filling me in. I’ve got HBO Max so I’ll check to see if these movies are on there
They’re not bad, at least imo. Some are better then others but I think they’re worth a watch
i hope the next dc universe be better
Me too
Honestly I couldn’t get past the character designs, these could’ve been the best movies and I still wouldn’t be able to sit through them. Batman The Long Halloween was the closest to keep me watching.
It was just extremely rushed. A few years ago I watched the long Halloween and man of tomorrow and I actually loved both of them, but then it felt like the week after they were already doing crisis. Just too rushed, had potential but i dont know why they did what they did. At this point I actually legitimately hate crisis because there are no stakes in it anymore and they will just throw it in and act like it’s important even though the universe resets every Tuesday. DC used to be the powerhouse in animation vs marvel. They still are, but now it’s only because marvel has shit like what if season 2 lurking around in the trash.
You explained this really well
Don't fix it if it ain't broke
Exactly the art style and animation is just disgusting
I was born in 83, I grew up on the DCAU as it was happening.
Adults made those cartoons for kids. Now my generation is the adults making these cartoons and we can't make anything like the cartoons we enjoyed as kids.
Look at the recent X-Men 97 reboot. It was supposed to be a continuation of the 90s animated series, a kid's cartoon that handled mature adult themes without takling down to the intended audience.
X-Men 97 had none of the heart and quality that made the original series great. It had violence, it had blood and death, it dabbled with modern identity politics, but it was a show clearly aimed at the adults who grew up with the original series and had none of the heart of that series or spoke with the maturity it did to a kid audience.
The modern DC animated features suffer from the same lack of heart/ quality in my opinion.
Look how far the adaptations stray from their source material. That used to be part of what made the 90s X-Men and Batman cartoons so great, they faithfully adapted as much as they could from the source material.
When they did their own stories without adaptations, you often didn't know it because the quality of those episodes was the same as the adapted ones.
We have more tools and resources than the previous generation did and yet the quality of what we produce today is evidently lesser. Look at the difference between Michael Jordan's Space Jam and LeBron James', none of the heart of Jordan's.
Very well said and very truthful ❤️🙏
Long Halloween was great
they were by no means perfect. but i still enjoyed myself watching the tomorrowverse
Me too
Batman the long Halloween was only good because the comic was good.
Green lantern beware my power movie is piece of crab that movie created only to humilated and get rid of hal jordan john stewart will never never never surpassed hal jordan.
Hal Jordan is THE Green Lantern. Always will be.
Exactly hal is classic just like superman can't be replaced by super girl
This was my fav art style
I agree!
the tomorrowverse didn't failed, people just too picky
Nostalgia and favoritism to apokolips wars, same people who criticized this, also criticized news52 universe comparing to timmverse
the two biggest reasons why i LOVE (and i my fav batman movie). the long halloween are the story(it set in gotham and no superheores,just batman solving a crime and we can see his detective side. after all he is the worlds greatest detective.) AND NO MUSIC( i dont know who will agree but a film with no music,just the ambient real life sounds of the city,the cars,the wind,the rain... it just makes it so PERFECT for the batman movie)
Also for Warworld serves for ambiguity and the unknown feeling (despite of the sh1ty writing), for superman give the sensation of nature considering Sups lived on a Farm, for Crisis 2, more space unknown vibes like 2001 (not saying same quality)
You were very positive with insightful feedback. I was so disappointed with every movie some much more than others. Can't wait for the next chapter cause it can't be worse than this
It didn't fail, it was sabotaged. As always, WB was the problem. The writers planned 20 movies, WB ended up mandating 10 movies. And when Discovery bought WB, they laid off more than half of WB's animation department.
Despite the problems, the movies still made a profit. But the execs aren't satisfied with only making a few million in profits, they want to make hundreds of millions.
Yeah, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Those last 3 movies were FIRE!
Didn't Constantine have a story as well that you skipped.
Could've done without them ishing on Hal Jordan but beside that the connections were pretty solid. From War world to Darkseid's death to Constantine and the Spectre, and destruction of the multiverse from the Anit-monitor, it was pretty good.
Also, felt like that was the point. ALL of it was Elseworld stories. It took place in a scenario where Darkseid was killed off and had NO influence on the verse
The problem I had with it was it was really brushed, like the bat. The superman movie that started it just came out like a few years ago, and now it's over it needed more time to grow
They brushed over Batman because he had been over- *bat* - urated in Warverse.
I remember watching every dc animated movie that came out but after apokolips war I’ve only watched the two Batman ones.
It had a good start but I'm heavily convinced that the direction was changed midway they had to rush to end the universe as soon as possible for some reasons
So the main issue is that they rushed things not taking their time establish a good universe, ironically the same problem with the DCEU
If you think that the time skips and off screen interactions are bad, wait until you see the crisis on infinite earths trilogy, like, i waited until the three of them were released to see them all one after another and, man they are a headache, like there is so much to unpack in the tiny amounts of time, the whole passing is confusing and the transitions between movies are very messy
They been overdoing it with limited budget, they were doing good by adapting comics, but then messed up
The tomorrowverse really started off good especially with man of tommorow and the absolute peak of the Long halloween and I just felt that it nosedived in green lantern because they tried to speed things up too quickly making jt just bad in the sad end.
Tomorrowverse was fine. People will just give their lives over nostalgia.
Not a masterpiece but agree
I have to agree with most of what you said, the biggest thing I believe that at the franchise was actually I didn't feel the epicness from mainly the score/soundtrack of the movies. The movies of the Superman red son, injustice, and the Gotham by gaslight I believe loosely connected to the tomorrow reverse search for the only reason for the multiverse. That also goes with the Batman the Doom comes to Gotham animated movie as well. I thought that they should add some kind of mention of those worlds in the Infinity Crisis movies in some way of capacity.
The tomorrowverse animation is just too awful..
They aren't making a crisis on infinite movie
They are making movies in infinite budget crisis 🤡🤣🤣
It's literally the same reasoning Batman v Superman doesn't work, or the justice league in the same verse. They rushed to the end, simply wanting movie versions of the big events in the comics, not understanding why those worked to begin with. It's the same reasoning civil war didn't work either, but at least there, they didn't introduce many new characters and changed the plot entirely, here they just expect drag and drop to work entirely.
50/50 DCEU never had an actual lore, even Snyder messed up things for future movies like Dick Grayson and without an ending, the flash look like a normal movie instead of an (at least rushed) ending.
Tomorrowverse on the other hand, build for the event, had a beginning and an ending, despite of some mistakes (gl movie) it was a decent unvierse, even Crisis 1 and 2 serves as many answers to plot holes and conecction to the main event, not perfect but still worked
All of these great movies are set pre52 pre-flashpoint continuity
Nope. Right after. Watch Crisis.
@@langadube9611 I mean the old movies like Batman/superman and under the red hood
I'll be honest, The Long Halloween was the only movie that was worth putting out.
Man of Tomorrow and GLBMP were alright.
in my opinion, the other movies were mediocre at best. And when they weren't mediocre, you get Legion of Superhero.
Overall, it feels like they were just putting out movies for the sake of putting out movies... Which is not good.
Every time I started one of the movies it always felt like a part 2 that I never saw part 1. Its was very confusing at times. And took a lot to figure out what was happening.
It didn't fail, it was just setting reboot for DCAU after dark apokolips, you are the one who failed to understand
Long Halloween has the most rewatch value to me. It's a stand alone story and keeps the focus on Batman while the others rely heavily on continuity between films and shove so many characters in them.
the quality of the DC animated movies really took a nose dive when the started animated movie universe
Im so exited for Final Crisis until I turn first part on and turn off straight away. Just can’t bear with the animation style. I want art style before Apokalypse war back
They indeed felt like elseworlds stories. My friends didnt want to watch them cause they thought it was just random AU stuff like marvel's what ifs.
Meanwhile DC lost me after the abomination that was apokolipse war.
David Zaslav and James Gunn are why it failed.
The Tomorrowverse was launched pre-Zaslav with the intention of spanning 12-20 movies covering multiple stories both classic and modern.
Then David Zaslav bought Warner Brothers from AT&T, then Zaslav started trimming the meat while saving the fat. (IE cutting costs everywhere while lining his pockets, firing everyone, and hiring people for cheaper.)
James Gunn’s movie is a major hit, while the Snyderverse fails, the DCAMU (New 52) bum-rushed most of the New 52 adaptations and all the cultivated in a Shareholder board that had no faith in its Animated department and saw it as a massive excessive waste of money (Despite themselves being a massive waste of money and for hiring consulting COMIC BOOK LEVEL EVIL companies like McKinley) and that is how you get the complete erasure of every DC property and another Prime Earth the Gunn Earth.
The Tomorrowverse wasn’t even supposed to adapt Crisis events from the comics to the animated movie franchise.
The Tomorrowverse would have existed in first place, that why apokolips feels so unnatural and forced.
I honestly feel like once they knew James Gunn was creating his own connected universe, they decided to speed run the project to set that up.
Interesting. It looks like I picked the right blurays to get. I got the first four skipped the Green Lantern one, and got the Legion of Superheroes. But no more after that. I was interested in getting the Crisis ones, but you make a valid point. Not sure if I will bother..
War world legit made me mad. I worked a 13 hour shift in a factory, paid 20 bucks for the movie, just for it to be ass and not even a real Justice League movie. Tomorrow verse is only good with the Superman movie and the Batman ones
Yeah WarWorld destroyed my last hope for the tomorrowverse
I fear this is what's going to happen to James Gunns DCU too. Look at the Superman movie. It has so many characters. They are trying to introduce Supergirl before Batman and Wonder Women. They are speed running again
I really hope that's not the case. I have faith in James Gunn because I like his work
I really hope that's not the case. I have faith in James Gunn because I like his work.
Man of tomorrow was the only like stand out one and the long Halloween and crisis movies had their great moment but everything else was either mid or bad
Superman man of tomorrow’s was refresh but other movies like green lantern, supergirl, and warworld feel lame plots because of Hal jordon, mon el, and my favorite boi is Jonah hex acting good and twist plots turn villains like wtf? No excuse there have plenty of villains not heroes turn evil
@@pauldurant6533 yeah fr!
The DC Animated Universe from Justice League War on, was incredible. Perfect crew of DC characters. That and Young Justice are the best ever.
For me, they just never felt connected. We never really knew which films were connected and there just didn't seem to be a plan.
Definitely
I wasn't a fan of most of the New 52 era movies (or New 52 in general). As for the Tomorrowerse movies, I feel like there were far too few movies to tell the stories that they tried to tell....way too may characters crammed in for us to care about them all or become emotionally invested in the stories. And yeah, I fully agree with your comments on Warworld. I was sooo looking forward to a proper justice league movie and instead we got a giant extended dream sequence that didn't really 'count'. Waste of time.
Man sounds like dunkey.
The timeline was all over the place. The movies got weirder and weirder with each installment. Even at the end the Crisis movies make no sense.
Definitely
7:55 i 100% agree
The TOMORROWVERSE had a lot of potential, and ending the series without properly forming the Justice League was a huge CRIME. In my opinion, the downfall of this universe began with the Warner Bros. Discovery merger, particularly when James Gunn became the head of DC Studios. It seems that with Gunn's plan to align the animated series with the main live-action movies, the existing animated universe may cease to exist. The decline in quality was likely one factor leading to this decision under the new management.
I didn't even know these movies were connected until the 3rd Crisis movie came out, and I didn't even know the first two came out until the 3rd one was being released. DC did such a bad job with marketing these movies, I hope they do better with whatever animated universe is coming next.
Everything you said is accurate as hell
They had a good start with Superman and Halloween then suddenly they decided to open the Pandora's Box (multiverse/reboot/nostalgia bait/flashpoint) again and that all became the focus of everything
Would it kill them to go one continuity without bringing up the multiverse.
This art style was my favorite and I hate to see it go away.
The way I hear it, can't remember where I heard it from but apparently it was supposed to be about twenty movies or more but they were told to do it all in about ten films.
I thought king Halloween was average and I remember liking the Superman movie kinda. Warworld was so bad like how do you mess that up? Should’ve been the justice league forced to be space gladiators or something cool like that. The Kamandi short was actually really good and I highly recommend it. If anyone is a fan of Jack Kirby’s art style you’ll love it.
Warworld was a death star on pre crisis, so it (partially) made sense, the gladiators arena is from post crisis
The art and animation in the tomorrowverse except for the two batman movies looked so cheap to me.
This universe sucked. The green lantern movie was garbage
It had some re potential too the Long Halloween was really good start the animation was solid too they needed to keep going in that direction
I would like the next verse. To either do injustice correctly as a 3 to 5 movie saga or do the blackest night
The fact I enjoyed X-men 97 over any of the recent DC animation movies is wild
Only Man Of Tomorrow was good...
Rest of them were just 🤮
DC animated movies have been in a down hill since Justice League War which was when they started adapted crap from the NEW 52, a few where decent, but majority lack the quality and story telling of the movies that came before from Flashpoint to Mask of the Phantasm, the Tomorrow Verse was just a even worse version of the DCAU movies, to be honest I hope DC actually just go back to adapt classic storylines like they did with The Dark Knight Returns, The Tower of Babel (JL Doom), and Under the Red Hood, this is when DC animated films where awesome, you didn't need to watch all , each entry was it's own universe, I want they go back to do that, there are so many amazing stories in DC comics that fit this format that would be great to adapt and would great potential drafts for what the live action movies could do.........like I would not mind an adaptation of Wonder Woman Dead Earth, of Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow (in animation in case the live action suck XD), or Batgirl year one.
You seriously said dcau movies were bad. What are you talking about.
@@jflexy1344 tbh in my opinion there were a couple that were okay but most were kind of mid they never really reached the heights of like under the Red Hood , Wonder woman, Green lantern first flight, or Batman Superman public enemies
@@esiasfrost2306 those movies you named are there own stand alone movies they don't take part in any continuity. So yeah makes sense for them to be better than dcamu or dcau
@@Kusanagikaiser999 i know you’re an og. I really noticed the quality got low around the time that teen titans vs justice league came out . Some of the voice acting and pacing of some scenes was just off and then it hit me ! From there the quality only got lower and lower
I felt like the whole thing felt rushed.
Green Lantern movie was the last one I saw and I skipped JSA WWII.
(Also gonna add I didn’t hate the Green Lantern movie mostly because I’m a John Stewart fan because of the DCAU and not a Hal Jordan fan because of the Ryan Reynolds movie)
Don’t give up brother I’m a editor to and all of my edits get only 30-100 likes and I don’t give up so bro don’t give up yourself like CR7 he always says work hard and you can do it ❤❤