@@Shawnodachi if you're a real Batman fan, you would've loved part 3 of crisis. Your opinion is inconsistent. Part 3 and 2 is kinda a Batman movie lol
@@joshuabastien8909 this video mainly talked about the movies leading up to crisis. I didn’t like part 1 of crisis because it felt all over the place and they tried to use the movie as a small fix to the problems that I stated but it didn’t work for me. Crisis part 2 and 3 was better than the first one but it still doesn’t change the fact that this universe felt rushed after the long Halloween.
The reason it failed is because all of the movies got ZERO marketing. I only ever knew cause a trailer from IGN would show up whenever a new movie was released, but DC did not care about these movies and just sent them all out to die.
that’s true i didn’t know any of the projects besides man of tomorrow and the batman long halloween movies everything else i learned about after they had already release months before 💀
I prefer being able to tell DC apart from Marvel thanks. I mean the Jim Lee Artstyle works for Marvel, but not DC...and the Nu52 tried to make DC Marvel...no thank you! Marvel is realistic, DC is idealistic...we don't need the idealistic world becoming the realistic one. What's so great about a fictional idealistic world like a DC comic being realistic?
@@TheNerdZone777 there were style differences in projects up to 2014. The style that lasted the longest was the 1996 Ocean Liner Deco overhaul of the Dark Deco look from 1992 which itself was an update to the original 1941 Fleischer theatrical serials. It's also still the most popular style choice to use for modern DC because it combines both Alex Toth and Jack Kirby's standard designs....Toth's outlines+ Kirby's square looks. Pre-Crisis the designs by Alex Toth were the most popular for Super Friends and Filmation (aside from Supes having Curt Swan's face-designs) with the only time the designs got an update was when 1985 pulled an overhaul by Josè Luís Lopez-Garcia and that style remained up through 1990's Swamp Thing by DiC as it was also used for R/S Superman with it serving as a transitionary style between a return to Dark Deco and the Classic Toth look.
The new 52-esque animated film universe got criticized for being too dark (I personally liked it) BUT the tomorrowverse to me felt so unnecessarily dark/cynical with its gruesome deaths and numerous heroes becoming villains
Green Lantern: Beware My Power was terrible. The story isn't based on John's origin or a new, unique origin; it's taken from Kyle Rayner's origin... If writers think John's origin is bland & needs updating, they should come up with something original instead of just cutting & pasting from another character. I mean, Bruce Timm & Paul Dini came up with a new origin for Mr. Freeze, & it was so good that it became the definitive origin for the character, so it can be done. But the GL writers were either too lazy or incapable of coming up with anything original.
I think it’s because they kinda felt soulless , I mean I wouldn’t say the new52 was miles better , but it was definitely something. But dc gotta do better and focus on other stores , instead of this multiverse shit , I really want solo stories
Please please please stop the multiverse shit.🙏 I am so tired of seeing it EVERYWHERE. I never thought it was interesting to begin with but I put up with it for a while. Enough is enough though. It's so boring, uninteresting, and has run its course.
Think it didn't help that they basically had no music for a good chunk of the movies. While the little melodies they had were super forgettable generic tunes. Hardly anybody talk about it, but it made the experience really dry.
I didn't really care for this universe because it just didn't look appealing. I heard budget was low for the animation department and that's okay. The coloring/art style just looked so bland. Imo that is idk about others
The artstyle was meant to immitate the old Johnny Quest style for Pre-Crisis. Post-Crisis early on looked similar, but eventually took on a more Superpowers Team: Galactic Guardians look which more or less remained the comic style for a long time with simplified Bruce Timm versions co-existing in the multiverse as well as Alex Ross styles...and Alex Ross' style is considered the most unique because he actually paints it how Jimmy Olsen and Vicki Vale capture it on their camera lenses...you can see the suits are shiny where they need to be, the textures and folds on their clothes and you can actually even see bullets either bounce off Clark's chest or Diana's bracelets in streaks of silver and the glowing green energies of the Lantern Corps....as well as feel a large breeze when Wally runs by.
@@wandawhite1592 this was actually a reversion to a more classic look though with some modern influence. Now if we were to go back to the original designs from 1940's...we would really have fun.
I have always stated that Marvel made great live action series and awful animated series, while DC made awful live action series and great animated series. Nowadays I'm not so sure.
I feel like the issue with these was they attempted to delve into some of the stranger comic book material after the long Halloween and tried a bit too hard not to repeat material from the previous saga. Now, when you take the material as a whole and as a continuation of the previous saga it feels a lot better.
It was just extremely rushed. A few years ago I watched the long Halloween and man of tomorrow and I actually loved both of them, but then it felt like the week after they were already doing crisis. Just too rushed, had potential but i dont know why they did what they did. At this point I actually legitimately hate crisis because there are no stakes in it anymore and they will just throw it in and act like it’s important even though the universe resets every Tuesday. DC used to be the powerhouse in animation vs marvel. They still are, but now it’s only because marvel has shit like what if season 2 lurking around in the trash.
Ok gonna be honest I love Long Halloween, both are some of my favorite superhero movies ever, but Green Lantern (hal) is my favorite comic book character but that movie not only did him dirty but also Kyle whose also one of my favorites cause they just gave his story it to John Stewart and botched it hard especially parallax who was written poorly
Tomorrowverse animation style was really good and batman the long Halloween both parts was one of the greatest dc animated movie it does get much aprreaction also superman man of tomorrow was a good movie, but main problem with tomorrowverse was that it was too rushed especially crossovers between superheroes. Since tomorrowverse ended dc should focus more on other characters such as red hood we only got one movie on red hood also a solo movie on nightwigh or joker animated movie
I did like the first four and i did actually really enjoy crisis on infinite earths which i wasn't expecting at all with green lantern and warworld. If only we could have another Timmverse in movie form and it would be perfect.
@@ParalyzedHorse95 yeah, an interconnected universe should take time to properly develop. The mcu took the same amount of time from iron man to endgame so I'd say that is the correct time period it should be developed over
Very easy to think, because the movie has no bearing on any of the wider universe except at the very end when flash and green arrow show up at his door.
You can tell they had a much larger plan for the Tomorrowverse but it was likely rushed because of James Gunn’s DCU reboot. They were definitely trying to build up to a proper Justice League but right up until Green Lantern, they just skipped so much stuff, then Warworld happens and we’re supposed to pretend Wonder Woman was always around and was already a member of the team but its so jarring because we missed so much stuff in between the movies and I really think this universe was rushed because of what was happening with the live action stuff and they wanted to reboot and start connecting all forms of media into one timeline.
Wonder Woman was probably using those "multiversal hopping" things given the whole JSA business that happens pre-crisis and acting as part of the team, but only on select missions as Vixen takes her place as a founder of the league since they expressly wanted Diana as the leader of the JSA and to be long lived.
As I understood it, the pitch for the tomorrow verse was 20 movies… But the Studio said, do it in 10, which I think explains a lot of the gripes you have with the tomorrow verse
Honestly I couldn’t get past the character designs, these could’ve been the best movies and I still wouldn’t be able to sit through them. Batman The Long Halloween was the closest to keep me watching.
IMO this could have been heavily influenced by things behind the scenes. Jensen Ackles was Batman - if he said he wasn't available to do Justice League after the Long Halloween, say if he wanted to film the Boys, that would definitely be a thing that would make them change things around and release 2 movies (without Batman) "out of order". It also coincides a bit too well with the new Batman show on Max. There were big shifts happening at the company around that time, with Gunn taking over and whatnot. It feels in many ways like they started out having a plan (until Long Halloween) but then were told to start scrapping everything and preparing for the new thing. It would be interesting if they tried having multiple animated series and films in the same universe again, I believe there's a chance for that. Don't get me wrong, the movies itself had a bunch of structural and script problems - like how Parralax Hal came down and singlehandedly wiped THE WHOLE Gl CORPS AND THE GUARDIANS AT ONCE and then basically got 1v1'd by John Stewart with a basic Power Ring... 🤦♂️ I was at least hoping they would do "villian realizes his mistake and loses willingly", that would work mich better, but no. But that's like the one egregious example, everything else was minor compared to it.
The JSA movie got some elements of a planned Wonder Woman show by Butch Lukich in it...and WB actually told a guy who knew what do with her...no, put it in the movie. I mean yes, she is a JSA member and glad they said she's in charge (because she's the Secretary of Defense), but really she couldn't get her own tv show just because of 1984's sour taste? It really looked like Lukich was going the Marston route too...right down to "I can only marry you after all the evils in the world are vanquished Steve and his endless proposals that wind up being games between Hawkman and Black Canary about if it's gonna be yes or still no today"
The tomorrowverse really started off good especially with man of tommorow and the absolute peak of the Long halloween and I just felt that it nosedived in green lantern because they tried to speed things up too quickly making jt just bad in the sad end.
Something important to point out is the main team in charge of the Tomorrowverse were ONLY GIVEN A few movies. The team wanted more to flesh out the universe but WB or whoever told the team they could only have a certain amount
I'll be honest, The Long Halloween was the only movie that was worth putting out. Man of Tomorrow and GLBMP were alright. in my opinion, the other movies were mediocre at best. And when they weren't mediocre, you get Legion of Superhero. Overall, it feels like they were just putting out movies for the sake of putting out movies... Which is not good.
I saw an interview with the people running the Tomorrowverse abd apparently they were told they could only do like between 7 to 10 movies that was it and it was mostly done to just keep things going in the animation department until the James Gunn universe starts, busy work basically an appetizer to keep people looking theor way it was never meant to wow people or go on for very long.
Im so exited for Final Crisis until I turn first part on and turn off straight away. Just can’t bear with the animation style. I want art style before Apokalypse war back
They indeed felt like elseworlds stories. My friends didnt want to watch them cause they thought it was just random AU stuff like marvel's what ifs. Meanwhile DC lost me after the abomination that was apokolipse war.
the two biggest reasons why i LOVE (and i my fav batman movie). the long halloween are the story(it set in gotham and no superheores,just batman solving a crime and we can see his detective side. after all he is the worlds greatest detective.) AND NO MUSIC( i dont know who will agree but a film with no music,just the ambient real life sounds of the city,the cars,the wind,the rain... it just makes it so PERFECT for the batman movie)
Also for Warworld serves for ambiguity and the unknown feeling (despite of the sh1ty writing), for superman give the sensation of nature considering Sups lived on a Farm, for Crisis 2, more space unknown vibes like 2001 (not saying same quality)
You were very positive with insightful feedback. I was so disappointed with every movie some much more than others. Can't wait for the next chapter cause it can't be worse than this
I was born in 83, I grew up on the DCAU as it was happening. Adults made those cartoons for kids. Now my generation is the adults making these cartoons and we can't make anything like the cartoons we enjoyed as kids. Look at the recent X-Men 97 reboot. It was supposed to be a continuation of the 90s animated series, a kid's cartoon that handled mature adult themes without takling down to the intended audience. X-Men 97 had none of the heart and quality that made the original series great. It had violence, it had blood and death, it dabbled with modern identity politics, but it was a show clearly aimed at the adults who grew up with the original series and had none of the heart of that series or spoke with the maturity it did to a kid audience. The modern DC animated features suffer from the same lack of heart/ quality in my opinion. Look how far the adaptations stray from their source material. That used to be part of what made the 90s X-Men and Batman cartoons so great, they faithfully adapted as much as they could from the source material. When they did their own stories without adaptations, you often didn't know it because the quality of those episodes was the same as the adapted ones. We have more tools and resources than the previous generation did and yet the quality of what we produce today is evidently lesser. Look at the difference between Michael Jordan's Space Jam and LeBron James', none of the heart of Jordan's.
Every time I started one of the movies it always felt like a part 2 that I never saw part 1. Its was very confusing at times. And took a lot to figure out what was happening.
Long Halloween has the most rewatch value to me. It's a stand alone story and keeps the focus on Batman while the others rely heavily on continuity between films and shove so many characters in them.
Yeah, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Those last 3 movies were FIRE! Didn't Constantine have a story as well that you skipped. Could've done without them ishing on Hal Jordan but beside that the connections were pretty solid. From War world to Darkseid's death to Constantine and the Spectre, and destruction of the multiverse from the Anit-monitor, it was pretty good. Also, felt like that was the point. ALL of it was Elseworld stories. It took place in a scenario where Darkseid was killed off and had NO influence on the verse
Green lantern beware my power movie is piece of crab that movie created only to humilated and get rid of hal jordan john stewart will never never never surpassed hal jordan.
I like how part 3 of the crisis tied in Dark Apokolips War. That was probably the best moment of the 3 parts. That timeline i was screaming for D.C. to bring that to the big screen
If you think that the time skips and off screen interactions are bad, wait until you see the crisis on infinite earths trilogy, like, i waited until the three of them were released to see them all one after another and, man they are a headache, like there is so much to unpack in the tiny amounts of time, the whole passing is confusing and the transitions between movies are very messy
The problem I had with it was it was really brushed, like the bat. The superman movie that started it just came out like a few years ago, and now it's over it needed more time to grow
It had a good start but I'm heavily convinced that the direction was changed midway they had to rush to end the universe as soon as possible for some reasons So the main issue is that they rushed things not taking their time establish a good universe, ironically the same problem with the DCEU
I have to agree with most of what you said, the biggest thing I believe that at the franchise was actually I didn't feel the epicness from mainly the score/soundtrack of the movies. The movies of the Superman red son, injustice, and the Gotham by gaslight I believe loosely connected to the tomorrow reverse search for the only reason for the multiverse. That also goes with the Batman the Doom comes to Gotham animated movie as well. I thought that they should add some kind of mention of those worlds in the Infinity Crisis movies in some way of capacity.
Watching this, I went on a whole research spree to find out what went wrong. There was a lot of issues. 1. The comments section were right, Where was the marketing for this? No, seriously I didn't even get notifications for the tomorrowverse from DC themselves or any signs of it, I usually found stuff from IGN or clips online from Meta, X (Twitter and now Bluesky), and TikTok. I had to make a more active effort to find the tomorrowverse than I would with other DC animated projects. Note: This trend of lack of marketing actually predate the tomorrowverse and really becoming prevalent mid-to-late in the lifecycle of DCAMU. 2. Love the video and during my research I learned you have forgot about a project that technically kickstart the tomorrow, Constantine: House of Mystery (I think I got it right) but it's supposed to be the transition from DCAMU to the Tomorrowverse. The movie was largely forgotten about because again lack of marketing. 3. The lack of cohesion and continuity. There is no real foundational connection of the Justice League. We don't know the founding members, even if we do we don't see them together often or know the chemistry of them. The only heroes that have on screen chemistry on a rather consistent enough level are Green Arrow, Flash, Superman and Batman from my research so far. There really isn't a justice league focused movie other than Warworld even then it's not the consistent version later seen in the Crisis Trilogy Part 1 and so forth. 4. Universe Speedrunning. Not enough world building and there are just things that just rushed like a mfer. Hal essentially getting oofed in 1 movie, while being set up to be the villain while not showing enough time as Green Lantern himself. John Stewart basically haphhazardly became a Green Lantern. Who tf set the Watchtower up and exactly who is maintaining it? Supergirl just gets essentially forced just be a legionaire instead of really getting the time to discover herself. Batman doesn't have the batfamily directly, but wow he doesn't have Robin but is now in the Justice League interesting but feels lacking even for Batman standards? There was a lot of hopping around the timeline. There are more problems with the Tomorrowverse but I feel this universe is either made by people new to animated movies and properties or they started off really good and didn't know what to do further especially after the Long Halloween.
Interesting. It looks like I picked the right blurays to get. I got the first four skipped the Green Lantern one, and got the Legion of Superheroes. But no more after that. I was interested in getting the Crisis ones, but you make a valid point. Not sure if I will bother..
I found it deeply insulting that a lackluster series like this thought it had clout to 'erase' the DC animated series, a series that outplayed this garbage a hundred fold.
There's a very good reason why the second half was wonky, and it's the same reason why most of the tomorrowverse felt off. They had their funding cut massively. They WERE told they were getting 14 movies in all to complete the crisis story - until Dark make them nervous. Once the repeated budget cuts came and kept coming, wiping out planned movie after planned movie as they tore their budget to shreds. It's the main reason that I could find was that WB Animation studio shifted from concentrating on their main products to making anime which they still haven't seemed to release yet. That was done with Demarco as head of the reformed studio right before WB Discovery chose to restructure it again. It's hard to make a good product when your team is getting fired and rehired every 2nd year
I started getting into the tomorrowverse when Long Halloween came out. I watched the Crisis on Infinite Earths ONLY because Helena Wayne Huntress was in it. It is so fucking rare for the daughter of Batman and Catwoman to make an appearence in media. What annoyed me when I saw Warworld was: Why is Wonder Woman only on Earth-2 and not many other Earths? You got two Supermen and (obviously) infinite Batmen but only 1 Wonder Woman? What...?
I didn't even know these movies were connected until the 3rd Crisis movie came out, and I didn't even know the first two came out until the 3rd one was being released. DC did such a bad job with marketing these movies, I hope they do better with whatever animated universe is coming next.
The way I hear it, can't remember where I heard it from but apparently it was supposed to be about twenty movies or more but they were told to do it all in about ten films.
It didn't fail, it was sabotaged. As always, WB was the problem. The writers planned 20 movies, WB ended up mandating 10 movies. And when Discovery bought WB, they laid off more than half of WB's animation department. Despite the problems, the movies still made a profit. But the execs aren't satisfied with only making a few million in profits, they want to make hundreds of millions.
Superman man of tomorrow’s was refresh but other movies like green lantern, supergirl, and warworld feel lame plots because of Hal jordon, mon el, and my favorite boi is Jonah hex acting good and twist plots turn villains like wtf? No excuse there have plenty of villains not heroes turn evil
It's literally the same reasoning Batman v Superman doesn't work, or the justice league in the same verse. They rushed to the end, simply wanting movie versions of the big events in the comics, not understanding why those worked to begin with. It's the same reasoning civil war didn't work either, but at least there, they didn't introduce many new characters and changed the plot entirely, here they just expect drag and drop to work entirely.
50/50 DCEU never had an actual lore, even Snyder messed up things for future movies like Dick Grayson and without an ending, the flash look like a normal movie instead of an (at least rushed) ending. Tomorrowverse on the other hand, build for the event, had a beginning and an ending, despite of some mistakes (gl movie) it was a decent unvierse, even Crisis 1 and 2 serves as many answers to plot holes and conecction to the main event, not perfect but still worked
Man of tomorrow was the only like stand out one and the long Halloween and crisis movies had their great moment but everything else was either mid or bad
I wasn't a fan of most of the New 52 era movies (or New 52 in general). As for the Tomorrowerse movies, I feel like there were far too few movies to tell the stories that they tried to tell....way too may characters crammed in for us to care about them all or become emotionally invested in the stories. And yeah, I fully agree with your comments on Warworld. I was sooo looking forward to a proper justice league movie and instead we got a giant extended dream sequence that didn't really 'count'. Waste of time.
I thought king Halloween was average and I remember liking the Superman movie kinda. Warworld was so bad like how do you mess that up? Should’ve been the justice league forced to be space gladiators or something cool like that. The Kamandi short was actually really good and I highly recommend it. If anyone is a fan of Jack Kirby’s art style you’ll love it.
War world legit made me mad. I worked a 13 hour shift in a factory, paid 20 bucks for the movie, just for it to be ass and not even a real Justice League movie. Tomorrow verse is only good with the Superman movie and the Batman ones
Dude, I didn’t even think about that. Yeah the previous movies were way better than the Tomorrow-Verse films. Those films always left me with that “meh” feeling. But movies like Flashpoint, JL Doom & Under the Red Hood (first release) always gave me goosebumps. Because you always felt like some next thing is gonna happen. But then it became so predictable after this universe fell.
They had a good start with Superman and Halloween then suddenly they decided to open the Pandora's Box (multiverse/reboot/nostalgia bait/flashpoint) again and that all became the focus of everything
Man of Tomorrow and Long Halloween were good.
Isn’t the characters in the tommrow verse the same has before apocalypse war
@@ChosenOne-il4bm no, but this universe was created because of the events in Apocalypse War.
Man of Tomorrow was terrible. Superman was weak, needed help and even did not defeat the enemy
I liked the legion of heroes too
Well be happy, it’s dead now😂
I thought the Superman movie, and long Halloween was okay. This new universe was awful tho
Yeah things really fell apart after the long halloween
@@Shawnodachi fr
I don't agree the crisis on infinite earths referenced 50 plus years of animation. Literally a master piece
@@Shawnodachi if you're a real Batman fan, you would've loved part 3 of crisis. Your opinion is inconsistent. Part 3 and 2 is kinda a Batman movie lol
@@joshuabastien8909 this video mainly talked about the movies leading up to crisis. I didn’t like part 1 of crisis because it felt all over the place and they tried to use the movie as a small fix to the problems that I stated but it didn’t work for me. Crisis part 2 and 3 was better than the first one but it still doesn’t change the fact that this universe felt rushed after the long Halloween.
The reason it failed is because all of the movies got ZERO marketing. I only ever knew cause a trailer from IGN would show up whenever a new movie was released, but DC did not care about these movies and just sent them all out to die.
Yeah that’s also a big reason. And that’s a problem for both animated and live action movies
yep couple that with the extremely convoluted plot that keeps refering to movies people didn't know existed this thing was basically designed to fail
that’s true i didn’t know any of the projects besides man of tomorrow and the batman long halloween movies
everything else i learned about after they had already release months before 💀
@@issy785 the only one's I knew of where house of mystery and the green lantern one with John Stewart
Eh most people probably don't even care about these animated movies anyway
Art style was ass ngl that’s why I couldn’t be bothered with it. Huge step down from the DCAMU artistically.
Respectable take
I prefer being able to tell DC apart from Marvel thanks.
I mean the Jim Lee Artstyle works for Marvel, but not DC...and the Nu52 tried to make DC Marvel...no thank you! Marvel is realistic, DC is idealistic...we don't need the idealistic world becoming the realistic one. What's so great about a fictional idealistic world like a DC comic being realistic?
DC had been doing the same art style for a decade now, you just a close minded individual 🤣
@@TheNerdZone777 there were style differences in projects up to 2014.
The style that lasted the longest was the 1996 Ocean Liner Deco overhaul of the Dark Deco look from 1992 which itself was an update to the original 1941 Fleischer theatrical serials. It's also still the most popular style choice to use for modern DC because it combines both Alex Toth and Jack Kirby's standard designs....Toth's outlines+ Kirby's square looks.
Pre-Crisis the designs by Alex Toth were the most popular for Super Friends and Filmation (aside from Supes having Curt Swan's face-designs) with the only time the designs got an update was when 1985 pulled an overhaul by Josè Luís Lopez-Garcia and that style remained up through 1990's Swamp Thing by DiC as it was also used for R/S Superman with it serving as a transitionary style between a return to Dark Deco and the Classic Toth look.
@@TheNerdZone777What? You can clearly tell the Tomorrowverse has its own artstyle similar to “Archer”. This is a new artstyle.
It was like "Archer" was still in a coma, dreaming about comic books...
3 seasons of Archer in a coma still beats Archer post coma S11-S14.
@@RomaroBrandonSeason 8 was honestly amazing. Season 9 was great too.
Yea but Archer was good.
The new 52-esque animated film universe got criticized for being too dark (I personally liked it) BUT the tomorrowverse to me felt so unnecessarily dark/cynical with its gruesome deaths and numerous heroes becoming villains
Those old DCAU movies were my favourite. The new ones were boring.
@@lokeshr9794 especially the second crisis movie; it moved so slow
It was never about it being dark, but it was juvenile for me. It had no sublety, and it was way too corny.
@@qualivia and superhero comics usually have a heaping helping of corn...Superman's from Kansas afterall!
You’re missing the Constantine movies…
Justice League war was peak
Death Of Superman
That's dark universe
Ehhhhhh
Marvel animation couldn’t touch dcau at this level
I think war was a solid 0/10. It was nothing but Darkseid floating and doing nothing.
Green Lantern: Beware My Power was terrible. The story isn't based on John's origin or a new, unique origin; it's taken from Kyle Rayner's origin... If writers think John's origin is bland & needs updating, they should come up with something original instead of just cutting & pasting from another character. I mean, Bruce Timm & Paul Dini came up with a new origin for Mr. Freeze, & it was so good that it became the definitive origin for the character, so it can be done. But the GL writers were either too lazy or incapable of coming up with anything original.
I think it’s because they kinda felt soulless , I mean I wouldn’t say the new52 was miles better , but it was definitely something. But dc gotta do better and focus on other stores , instead of this multiverse shit , I really want solo stories
Please please please stop the multiverse shit.🙏 I am so tired of seeing it EVERYWHERE. I never thought it was interesting to begin with but I put up with it for a while. Enough is enough though. It's so boring, uninteresting, and has run its course.
Think it didn't help that they basically had no music for a good chunk of the movies. While the little melodies they had were super forgettable generic tunes.
Hardly anybody talk about it, but it made the experience really dry.
They need to start over at the ground level. Give us great stories about the heroes without propaganda through it that breaks the immersion
New 52 was wayyyyyyy better. Not even close
@@CLYDE0126 worst* a improvised universe, Tomorrowverse at least had an actual plan
I still miss DCAMU style. They use 52 accurate designs.
It's a new universe, they even justified the style with Constantine showcase
@@josef.ramoss.8457they could've used a better arstyle. The artsyle is a mixed bag for me
Or a new artsyle
I hated the art style... it was looking like archer but trashier
It was awful
Long Halloween is peak
I like that Falcone has dimension unlike in The Batman
I didn't really care for this universe because it just didn't look appealing. I heard budget was low for the animation department and that's okay. The coloring/art style just looked so bland. Imo that is idk about others
The artstyle was meant to immitate the old Johnny Quest style for Pre-Crisis. Post-Crisis early on looked similar, but eventually took on a more Superpowers Team: Galactic Guardians look which more or less remained the comic style for a long time with simplified Bruce Timm versions co-existing in the multiverse as well as Alex Ross styles...and Alex Ross' style is considered the most unique because he actually paints it how Jimmy Olsen and Vicki Vale capture it on their camera lenses...you can see the suits are shiny where they need to be, the textures and folds on their clothes and you can actually even see bullets either bounce off Clark's chest or Diana's bracelets in streaks of silver and the glowing green energies of the Lantern Corps....as well as feel a large breeze when Wally runs by.
They need to stop changing the DC superhero characters' looks
@@wandawhite1592 this was actually a reversion to a more classic look though with some modern influence.
Now if we were to go back to the original designs from 1940's...we would really have fun.
Harley quinn show has a better artstyle
I agree
I’ve not seen them all.
Superman: Man of tomorrow, and Batman the long Halloween were great.
Just society world war 2 I didn’t love.
Man of tommorrow was one of my favorites
Yea it was one of the best for sure
Damn that sucks. I actually liked Ackle's Batman
The long Halloween was phenomenal
I have always stated that Marvel made great live action series and awful animated series, while DC made awful live action series and great animated series.
Nowadays I'm not so sure.
Honestly, beside a few bangers, everything kinda sucks now
I feel like the issue with these was they attempted to delve into some of the stranger comic book material after the long Halloween and tried a bit too hard not to repeat material from the previous saga. Now, when you take the material as a whole and as a continuation of the previous saga it feels a lot better.
Year One and Under the Red Hood are on the same level as Return of the Joker and (maybe) Mask of the Phantasm
Συμφωνώ.😊
why they gotta kill all the other universes in part three tho, that was my question. That was some BS.....
Because they hate other universes besides the recent ones
@@FreshFalcon they’re allergic to making money ig
They weak ass hell for that
I think that was the point of the comic.
@@santinasoreal9907no it was supposed to happen.
It was just extremely rushed. A few years ago I watched the long Halloween and man of tomorrow and I actually loved both of them, but then it felt like the week after they were already doing crisis. Just too rushed, had potential but i dont know why they did what they did. At this point I actually legitimately hate crisis because there are no stakes in it anymore and they will just throw it in and act like it’s important even though the universe resets every Tuesday. DC used to be the powerhouse in animation vs marvel. They still are, but now it’s only because marvel has shit like what if season 2 lurking around in the trash.
Ok gonna be honest I love Long Halloween, both are some of my favorite superhero movies ever, but Green Lantern (hal) is my favorite comic book character but that movie not only did him dirty but also Kyle whose also one of my favorites cause they just gave his story it to John Stewart and botched it hard especially parallax who was written poorly
Tomorrowverse animation style was really good and batman the long Halloween both parts was one of the greatest dc animated movie it does get much aprreaction also superman man of tomorrow was a good movie, but main problem with tomorrowverse was that it was too rushed especially crossovers between superheroes. Since tomorrowverse ended dc should focus more on other characters such as red hood we only got one movie on red hood also a solo movie on nightwigh or joker animated movie
Technically we got two. Under the Red Hood and Death in the Family which used the art style and scenes from Under the Red Hood
Who cares about Reed Hood?
I thought the animation was a BIG step back honestly
I did like the first four and i did actually really enjoy crisis on infinite earths which i wasn't expecting at all with green lantern and warworld. If only we could have another Timmverse in movie form and it would be perfect.
I think we need an actual historically adapted DCU for once...with only minor changes that would make logical sense after the Crisis.
I mean, the Timmverse took about 12 years to develop from BTAS to JLU.
@@ParalyzedHorse95 yeah, an interconnected universe should take time to properly develop. The mcu took the same amount of time from iron man to endgame so I'd say that is the correct time period it should be developed over
I hated the art style. Hated the writing.
long halloween was tomorrowverse? thought it was just one of a dozen stand alone batman films.
Very easy to think, because the movie has no bearing on any of the wider universe except at the very end when flash and green arrow show up at his door.
You can tell they had a much larger plan for the Tomorrowverse but it was likely rushed because of James Gunn’s DCU reboot. They were definitely trying to build up to a proper Justice League but right up until Green Lantern, they just skipped so much stuff, then Warworld happens and we’re supposed to pretend Wonder Woman was always around and was already a member of the team but its so jarring because we missed so much stuff in between the movies and I really think this universe was rushed because of what was happening with the live action stuff and they wanted to reboot and start connecting all forms of media into one timeline.
Wonder Woman was probably using those "multiversal hopping" things given the whole JSA business that happens pre-crisis and acting as part of the team, but only on select missions as Vixen takes her place as a founder of the league since they expressly wanted Diana as the leader of the JSA and to be long lived.
The only TomorrowVerse movies I like was Batman The Long Halloween, Superman Man of Tomorrow, and Green Lantern Beware My Power.
As I understood it, the pitch for the tomorrow verse was 20 movies… But the Studio said, do it in 10, which I think explains a lot of the gripes you have with the tomorrow verse
Honestly I couldn’t get past the character designs, these could’ve been the best movies and I still wouldn’t be able to sit through them. Batman The Long Halloween was the closest to keep me watching.
exactly
IMO this could have been heavily influenced by things behind the scenes. Jensen Ackles was Batman - if he said he wasn't available to do Justice League after the Long Halloween, say if he wanted to film the Boys, that would definitely be a thing that would make them change things around and release 2 movies (without Batman) "out of order".
It also coincides a bit too well with the new Batman show on Max. There were big shifts happening at the company around that time, with Gunn taking over and whatnot. It feels in many ways like they started out having a plan (until Long Halloween) but then were told to start scrapping everything and preparing for the new thing. It would be interesting if they tried having multiple animated series and films in the same universe again, I believe there's a chance for that.
Don't get me wrong, the movies itself had a bunch of structural and script problems - like how Parralax Hal came down and singlehandedly wiped THE WHOLE Gl CORPS AND THE GUARDIANS AT ONCE and then basically got 1v1'd by John Stewart with a basic Power Ring... 🤦♂️ I was at least hoping they would do "villian realizes his mistake and loses willingly", that would work mich better, but no. But that's like the one egregious example, everything else was minor compared to it.
The JSA movie got some elements of a planned Wonder Woman show by Butch Lukich in it...and WB actually told a guy who knew what do with her...no, put it in the movie. I mean yes, she is a JSA member and glad they said she's in charge (because she's the Secretary of Defense), but really she couldn't get her own tv show just because of 1984's sour taste? It really looked like Lukich was going the Marston route too...right down to "I can only marry you after all the evils in the world are vanquished Steve and his endless proposals that wind up being games between Hawkman and Black Canary about if it's gonna be yes or still no today"
The tomorrowverse really started off good especially with man of tommorow and the absolute peak of the Long halloween and I just felt that it nosedived in green lantern because they tried to speed things up too quickly making jt just bad in the sad end.
Something important to point out is the main team in charge of the Tomorrowverse were ONLY GIVEN A few movies. The team wanted more to flesh out the universe but WB or whoever told the team they could only have a certain amount
They requested 20 if I'm not mistake
I'll be honest, The Long Halloween was the only movie that was worth putting out.
Man of Tomorrow and GLBMP were alright.
in my opinion, the other movies were mediocre at best. And when they weren't mediocre, you get Legion of Superhero.
Overall, it feels like they were just putting out movies for the sake of putting out movies... Which is not good.
I saw an interview with the people running the Tomorrowverse abd apparently they were told they could only do like between 7 to 10 movies that was it and it was mostly done to just keep things going in the animation department until the James Gunn universe starts, busy work basically an appetizer to keep people looking theor way it was never meant to wow people or go on for very long.
That stupid at the point it no reason to be invested.
@@yougottrolled5799 well its over now the Gunnverse is starting
Green lantern was by far the worst
Respectable take. War world legit pissed me off though
As if world war didn’t existed
By far! They threw so much disrespect all over the place, especially to the one, true, real Green Lantern, Hal Jordan.
i hope the next dc universe be better
Me too
Im so exited for Final Crisis until I turn first part on and turn off straight away. Just can’t bear with the animation style. I want art style before Apokalypse war back
You explained this really well
I somehow didn’t even know the Tomorrowverse existed. Thanks for filling me in. I’ve got HBO Max so I’ll check to see if these movies are on there
They’re not bad, at least imo. Some are better then others but I think they’re worth a watch
Remember the good old days when DC movies could just be their own thing and not have to be part of a massive universe?
They made plenty of standalone movies through both phases of this dcamu, so chill out with your baseless complaint lol
They indeed felt like elseworlds stories. My friends didnt want to watch them cause they thought it was just random AU stuff like marvel's what ifs.
Meanwhile DC lost me after the abomination that was apokolipse war.
the two biggest reasons why i LOVE (and i my fav batman movie). the long halloween are the story(it set in gotham and no superheores,just batman solving a crime and we can see his detective side. after all he is the worlds greatest detective.) AND NO MUSIC( i dont know who will agree but a film with no music,just the ambient real life sounds of the city,the cars,the wind,the rain... it just makes it so PERFECT for the batman movie)
Also for Warworld serves for ambiguity and the unknown feeling (despite of the sh1ty writing), for superman give the sensation of nature considering Sups lived on a Farm, for Crisis 2, more space unknown vibes like 2001 (not saying same quality)
You were very positive with insightful feedback. I was so disappointed with every movie some much more than others. Can't wait for the next chapter cause it can't be worse than this
Beware my Power was so cringy, so bad. I'm so glad they are ending this "universe".
It was beyond bad. Although the crisis on infinite earth movies also sucked big time.
I was born in 83, I grew up on the DCAU as it was happening.
Adults made those cartoons for kids. Now my generation is the adults making these cartoons and we can't make anything like the cartoons we enjoyed as kids.
Look at the recent X-Men 97 reboot. It was supposed to be a continuation of the 90s animated series, a kid's cartoon that handled mature adult themes without takling down to the intended audience.
X-Men 97 had none of the heart and quality that made the original series great. It had violence, it had blood and death, it dabbled with modern identity politics, but it was a show clearly aimed at the adults who grew up with the original series and had none of the heart of that series or spoke with the maturity it did to a kid audience.
The modern DC animated features suffer from the same lack of heart/ quality in my opinion.
Look how far the adaptations stray from their source material. That used to be part of what made the 90s X-Men and Batman cartoons so great, they faithfully adapted as much as they could from the source material.
When they did their own stories without adaptations, you often didn't know it because the quality of those episodes was the same as the adapted ones.
We have more tools and resources than the previous generation did and yet the quality of what we produce today is evidently lesser. Look at the difference between Michael Jordan's Space Jam and LeBron James', none of the heart of Jordan's.
Very well said and very truthful ❤️🙏
the quality of the DC animated movies really took a nose dive when the started animated movie universe
Every time I started one of the movies it always felt like a part 2 that I never saw part 1. Its was very confusing at times. And took a lot to figure out what was happening.
Long Halloween has the most rewatch value to me. It's a stand alone story and keeps the focus on Batman while the others rely heavily on continuity between films and shove so many characters in them.
Yeah, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Those last 3 movies were FIRE!
Didn't Constantine have a story as well that you skipped.
Could've done without them ishing on Hal Jordan but beside that the connections were pretty solid. From War world to Darkseid's death to Constantine and the Spectre, and destruction of the multiverse from the Anit-monitor, it was pretty good.
Also, felt like that was the point. ALL of it was Elseworld stories. It took place in a scenario where Darkseid was killed off and had NO influence on the verse
they were by no means perfect. but i still enjoyed myself watching the tomorrowverse
Me too
I remember watching every dc animated movie that came out but after apokolips war I’ve only watched the two Batman ones.
Long Halloween was great
Green lantern beware my power movie is piece of crab that movie created only to humilated and get rid of hal jordan john stewart will never never never surpassed hal jordan.
Hal Jordan is THE Green Lantern. Always will be.
Exactly hal is classic just like superman can't be replaced by super girl
to me he has already alongside kyle
This was my fav art style
I agree!
I like how part 3 of the crisis tied in Dark Apokolips War. That was probably the best moment of the 3 parts. That timeline i was screaming for D.C. to bring that to the big screen
If you think that the time skips and off screen interactions are bad, wait until you see the crisis on infinite earths trilogy, like, i waited until the three of them were released to see them all one after another and, man they are a headache, like there is so much to unpack in the tiny amounts of time, the whole passing is confusing and the transitions between movies are very messy
Don't fix it if it ain't broke
Exactly the art style and animation is just disgusting
The problem I had with it was it was really brushed, like the bat. The superman movie that started it just came out like a few years ago, and now it's over it needed more time to grow
They brushed over Batman because he had been over- *bat* - urated in Warverse.
It had a good start but I'm heavily convinced that the direction was changed midway they had to rush to end the universe as soon as possible for some reasons
So the main issue is that they rushed things not taking their time establish a good universe, ironically the same problem with the DCEU
I have to agree with most of what you said, the biggest thing I believe that at the franchise was actually I didn't feel the epicness from mainly the score/soundtrack of the movies. The movies of the Superman red son, injustice, and the Gotham by gaslight I believe loosely connected to the tomorrow reverse search for the only reason for the multiverse. That also goes with the Batman the Doom comes to Gotham animated movie as well. I thought that they should add some kind of mention of those worlds in the Infinity Crisis movies in some way of capacity.
Watching this, I went on a whole research spree to find out what went wrong. There was a lot of issues.
1. The comments section were right, Where was the marketing for this? No, seriously I didn't even get notifications for the tomorrowverse from DC themselves or any signs of it, I usually found stuff from IGN or clips online from Meta, X (Twitter and now Bluesky), and TikTok. I had to make a more active effort to find the tomorrowverse than I would with other DC animated projects. Note: This trend of lack of marketing actually predate the tomorrowverse and really becoming prevalent mid-to-late in the lifecycle of DCAMU. 2. Love the video and during my research I learned you have forgot about a project that technically kickstart the tomorrow, Constantine: House of Mystery (I think I got it right) but it's supposed to be the transition from DCAMU to the Tomorrowverse. The movie was largely forgotten about because again lack of marketing. 3. The lack of cohesion and continuity. There is no real foundational connection of the Justice League. We don't know the founding members, even if we do we don't see them together often or know the chemistry of them. The only heroes that have on screen chemistry on a rather consistent enough level are Green Arrow, Flash, Superman and Batman from my research so far. There really isn't a justice league focused movie other than Warworld even then it's not the consistent version later seen in the Crisis Trilogy Part 1 and so forth. 4. Universe Speedrunning. Not enough world building and there are just things that just rushed like a mfer. Hal essentially getting oofed in 1 movie, while being set up to be the villain while not showing enough time as Green Lantern himself. John Stewart basically haphhazardly became a Green Lantern. Who tf set the Watchtower up and exactly who is maintaining it? Supergirl just gets essentially forced just be a legionaire instead of really getting the time to discover herself. Batman doesn't have the batfamily directly, but wow he doesn't have Robin but is now in the Justice League interesting but feels lacking even for Batman standards? There was a lot of hopping around the timeline. There are more problems with the Tomorrowverse but I feel this universe is either made by people new to animated movies and properties or they started off really good and didn't know what to do further especially after the Long Halloween.
The Long Halloween was the last really good DC animated movie in the Tomorrowverse. After that it became a mess
Batman the long Halloween was only good because the comic was good.
Interesting. It looks like I picked the right blurays to get. I got the first four skipped the Green Lantern one, and got the Legion of Superheroes. But no more after that. I was interested in getting the Crisis ones, but you make a valid point. Not sure if I will bother..
I loved tomorrowverse movies they were great
I found it deeply insulting that a lackluster series like this thought it had clout to 'erase' the DC animated series, a series that outplayed this garbage a hundred fold.
I honestly feel like once they knew James Gunn was creating his own connected universe, they decided to speed run the project to set that up.
All of these great movies are set pre52 pre-flashpoint continuity
Nope. Right after. Watch Crisis.
@@langadube9611 I mean the old movies like Batman/superman and under the red hood
There's a very good reason why the second half was wonky, and it's the same reason why most of the tomorrowverse felt off.
They had their funding cut massively. They WERE told they were getting 14 movies in all to complete the crisis story - until Dark make them nervous. Once the repeated budget cuts came and kept coming, wiping out planned movie after planned movie as they tore their budget to shreds. It's the main reason that I could find was that WB Animation studio shifted from concentrating on their main products to making anime which they still haven't seemed to release yet. That was done with Demarco as head of the reformed studio right before WB Discovery chose to restructure it again.
It's hard to make a good product when your team is getting fired and rehired every 2nd year
I started getting into the tomorrowverse when Long Halloween came out.
I watched the Crisis on Infinite Earths ONLY because Helena Wayne Huntress was in it. It is so fucking rare for the daughter of Batman and Catwoman to make an appearence in media.
What annoyed me when I saw Warworld was: Why is Wonder Woman only on Earth-2 and not many other Earths? You got two Supermen and (obviously) infinite Batmen but only 1 Wonder Woman? What...?
It started off really strong but after Green Lantern: Beware my power, it's obvious that they just gave up and were rushing to finish it
I didn't even know these movies were connected until the 3rd Crisis movie came out, and I didn't even know the first two came out until the 3rd one was being released. DC did such a bad job with marketing these movies, I hope they do better with whatever animated universe is coming next.
The way I hear it, can't remember where I heard it from but apparently it was supposed to be about twenty movies or more but they were told to do it all in about ten films.
It didn't fail, it was sabotaged. As always, WB was the problem. The writers planned 20 movies, WB ended up mandating 10 movies. And when Discovery bought WB, they laid off more than half of WB's animation department.
Despite the problems, the movies still made a profit. But the execs aren't satisfied with only making a few million in profits, they want to make hundreds of millions.
the tomorrowverse didn't failed, people just too picky
Nostalgia and favoritism to apokolips wars, same people who criticized this, also criticized news52 universe comparing to timmverse
It was handled poorly
Superman man of tomorrow’s was refresh but other movies like green lantern, supergirl, and warworld feel lame plots because of Hal jordon, mon el, and my favorite boi is Jonah hex acting good and twist plots turn villains like wtf? No excuse there have plenty of villains not heroes turn evil
@@pauldurant6533 yeah fr!
This art style was my favorite and I hate to see it go away.
It's literally the same reasoning Batman v Superman doesn't work, or the justice league in the same verse. They rushed to the end, simply wanting movie versions of the big events in the comics, not understanding why those worked to begin with. It's the same reasoning civil war didn't work either, but at least there, they didn't introduce many new characters and changed the plot entirely, here they just expect drag and drop to work entirely.
50/50 DCEU never had an actual lore, even Snyder messed up things for future movies like Dick Grayson and without an ending, the flash look like a normal movie instead of an (at least rushed) ending.
Tomorrowverse on the other hand, build for the event, had a beginning and an ending, despite of some mistakes (gl movie) it was a decent unvierse, even Crisis 1 and 2 serves as many answers to plot holes and conecction to the main event, not perfect but still worked
I’ve watched SOB, BVR, BBB, TTVJL, TTTJC. I liked them a lot. Idk what to expect from Apocalypse war.
I will never forgive them for making braniac 5 BALD
Man of tomorrow was the only like stand out one and the long Halloween and crisis movies had their great moment but everything else was either mid or bad
I wasn't a fan of most of the New 52 era movies (or New 52 in general). As for the Tomorrowerse movies, I feel like there were far too few movies to tell the stories that they tried to tell....way too may characters crammed in for us to care about them all or become emotionally invested in the stories. And yeah, I fully agree with your comments on Warworld. I was sooo looking forward to a proper justice league movie and instead we got a giant extended dream sequence that didn't really 'count'. Waste of time.
For me, they just never felt connected. We never really knew which films were connected and there just didn't seem to be a plan.
Definitely
The art and animation in the tomorrowverse except for the two batman movies looked so cheap to me.
Would it kill them to go one continuity without bringing up the multiverse.
Because they used the Archer artstyle....
Looks hideous..
I thought king Halloween was average and I remember liking the Superman movie kinda. Warworld was so bad like how do you mess that up? Should’ve been the justice league forced to be space gladiators or something cool like that. The Kamandi short was actually really good and I highly recommend it. If anyone is a fan of Jack Kirby’s art style you’ll love it.
Warworld was a death star on pre crisis, so it (partially) made sense, the gladiators arena is from post crisis
The timeline was all over the place. The movies got weirder and weirder with each installment. Even at the end the Crisis movies make no sense.
Definitely
I would like the next verse. To either do injustice correctly as a 3 to 5 movie saga or do the blackest night
Hate them throwing Hal under the bus.
The DC Animated Universe from Justice League War on, was incredible. Perfect crew of DC characters. That and Young Justice are the best ever.
I would like to see them build up to Mortal kombat vs. DC
It had some re potential too the Long Halloween was really good start the animation was solid too they needed to keep going in that direction
It didn't fail, it was just setting reboot for DCAU after dark apokolips, you are the one who failed to understand
Then why bother making a universe that's going to last 4 years in the first place?
These movies were soo far from one another. I didn’t even realize it was the same verse
War world legit made me mad. I worked a 13 hour shift in a factory, paid 20 bucks for the movie, just for it to be ass and not even a real Justice League movie. Tomorrow verse is only good with the Superman movie and the Batman ones
Yeah WarWorld destroyed my last hope for the tomorrowverse
I didn’t like the line Halloween movie because of the changes it just bothered me they have the story right there but there are cool things I admit
Dude, I didn’t even think about that. Yeah the previous movies were way better than the Tomorrow-Verse films. Those films always left me with that “meh” feeling. But movies like Flashpoint, JL Doom & Under the Red Hood (first release) always gave me goosebumps. Because you always felt like some next thing is gonna happen. But then it became so predictable after this universe fell.
They had a good start with Superman and Halloween then suddenly they decided to open the Pandora's Box (multiverse/reboot/nostalgia bait/flashpoint) again and that all became the focus of everything
Tomorrowverse was fine. People will just give their lives over nostalgia.
Not a masterpiece but agree