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Love your tips! Another benefit of hitting a softer/deep return is it’s harder for someone to drive the ball off a soft ball. Trying to drive a ball hard is more difficult off of a ball with minimal pace.
This is a great suggestion. I noticed other players using this strategy and I could not figure out why they were using the strategy. Now I have a better sense of what to try next time I play. Great video production -- super helpful.
You hit it right. Someone coached me about positioning and not to hit hard and fast on the return from serve. When I did what he told me, it improved my game. Thanks for this vid, coach! 👍
Excellent advice and presentation! You managed to not say "okay" until 4:06 and only said it a couple of times later after you got tired. Tremendous discipline in correcting your presentation. Congratulations. I was able to watch the whole video and glad to have such good advice on returning the serve. I'm going to use it today!
@@BrionesPickleball - Ha ha wow. I want to get in on that action. I'll put up a bunch of money. Then you can take a dive and we'll split it. Okay? Thanks for being a good sport.
Good tip. A lofted return like this is now my favorite return in doubles, but in singles I have to try to dictate play. A lofted return gets me to the NVZ, but just getting there doesn't mean I'm mobile enough to cover a good passing shot or a good lob. Most of us less-than-5.0 players have some exploitable weakness. Crappy backhand? Misplay spin? Poor footwork/mobility? Faulty positioning on the court? I'm going to try to spot and attack weaknesses. I know consistency and not making errors are keys to winning, so in attacking I'm usually not going for a great shot. What I'm going for is a GOOD shot that puts my opponent at some disadvantage. My hope is the shot that comes back to me is one that allows me to hit another good shot and press my advantage. I'm looking to win the rally 2/3/4 shots after a strategic return. If I can't gain an advantage by judiciously attacking weaknesses... Well, the other player is just better; I'm gonna lose. So, at least let's go down swinging, shall we? Lol
Great thoughts. For singles, it is much different, as there are different variables in singles. I hope to do one specifically on singles soon. In the meantime, here’s a great singles strategy video! th-cam.com/video/dvxEwQxHLl0/w-d-xo.html
Another thing you did in the second example was moving towards the net during your shot instead hitting the shot flat footed, then moving forward. Great lessons, thank you.
This video couldn't come at a more perfect time. I've been struggling with transition to the kitchen line. Never thought of hitting it like that. Thanks!
This is one of the best return of serve videos I have seen yet. The examples of what not to do, compared to what to do, were very helpful. The music was also good!!!! Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
I find playing 3.5 to 4.0 players that a hard fast and fairly deep return, sometimes with side or under spin is really affective and gets my partner at the NVZ a put away ball or at least an attack able ball. My thought is that the return is really an approach shot and if I can hit it well as described I can get in far enough to volley the third drive. So I’m thinking “return and volley”. I have pretty solid half volleys so even if they are successful in getting the ball down towards my feet I can usually hit a solid half volley back at the servers feet.
At higher levels you definitely want to mix up the speeds and kinds of your returns. Although if you are getting caught in transition, then you are returning way too fast. Stick to what works, then change it up!
He's ignoring that you have a partner. There are times when you might have to drive low, or struggle to get all the way up, I expect my highly skilled partner to help me out. This is definitely appropriate for serves that take you off the court
Awesome, awesome! Great tip and I will certainly put this one into my game. My wife and I have only starting 1-1/2 months ago and see how much strategy is in this game. Thanks Jordan and Katrina!
I just lost so many points not being able to return a very strong screwball serve. The server was so good at sending the ball in both directions- where it could spin to your right or your left (on either side of the court). It was really challenging to see where the ball was going to bounce and many times, I was there- but the wall simply bounced the other way due to spin. Tips appreciated.
That video of you and your gang playing, + camara angel is VERY instructive as well. Maybe a video offering with some commentary of what shots/ coverage/ strategy would be well received.
It's all about that first bounce on each side. On tennis this type of return is disastrous with all the baseliners you can't just pop up the ball they will smash volley you. But for this particular pickle it's perfect 👌
@@BrionesPickleball thks for your reply. Yes you're exactly right but then I wouldn't have the golden opportunity to get to hear your sound effects including the balls' loud trajectory. Do you prefer to play rec games w music? I'm not fond of when a player brings their boom box to the courts...like really? It's pickleball and time to focus, take that to the skating rink!
After the serve, opponents are typically at/behind baseline. Can a drop return be effective to get them off-balanced for a winner or 3rd shot pop-up, or is this too risky?
Hey Jordan, I’m a 66 year old approx 3.0 player. I’ve been working on the high deep return of serve allowing me to easily get to the non volley zone line. What I am finding is that most of the people I play with cannot execute a 3rd shot drop so I get to the line and they lob deep for their 3rd shot. Is it better for me to stay back as their 3rd shot will always be in front of me or continue to get the line? Do 4.0-5.0 players deep lob their 3rd or 5th shots very often when their opponents are at the line? Thanks
Would it be beneficial for your partner to delay coming up to the NVZ line just in case of a lob 3rd shot and you could cover the 3rd shot drop just in case
In most cases, no. Now if you are having a really hard time defending 3rd shot lobs, this may be ok. In higher level play, you won’t see a team purposefully delay coming to the net.
Coming from a tennis background- I am trying to figure out the logic-- For me an approach shot would always be a slice down the line or somewhere other than too them--- am I missing something here with this Pickle Ball logic-- My purpose is to have them hit a shot that is sub par so I can just have the court angled off for their return- hopefully for an easy put away--- I have only played PB for two weeks :) but tennis since 5 years old :)
I played years of tennis too Brad; singles pickleball and doubles pickleball is quite different. In doubles, you want to be established at the net after your return. So hitting a high deep return is what gets you to the net. That being said, if you can hit a faster/lower return and still get to the net, then do that!
I agree with the strategy here. I think the hard part with this method is that you loose the topspin component that helps people with control and distance. When I've tried this technique, if I loft it, but leave it short, we get drilled pretty hard because the ball bounces high and short. Or, if it's a funky serve, then I end up sailing it out. What is the secret to finding the right distance and range with this technique since you don't have topspin to help control it? Is it just mechanics and repetition?
@@BrionesPickleball Makes sense. Yes, I tried this out last night at open play and just couldn't dial in the control to get the depth needed. The backspin was great, but when going shallow, it was still a disadvantage. I ended up landing on using more of a topspin return, but more of a looping type shot where I aim for the back center court with a slight angle toward the left player's backhand (assuming they are both right handed players). This gave me the time to get there, plus it took a lot of pace off the ball and left them most of the time either in indecision or that left player hitting a backhand. But, this video helped confirm the idea of this versus a burner topspin return and getting stuck half way. Does what I described sound right? Or would you modify that a bit or encourage me to pick up a different approach? (fyi: playing mostly 4.0 - 4.5 type players)
I just found out about pickleball and i love the channel! Being an AZ native i recently heard that Pickleball Kingdom offers a free course to learn to play Pickleball. Would it be worth taking a visit there??
Jordan! Fellow NorCal player over here and just played a tournament over at Willow Pass Park in Concord! Missed your clinic over at Rio Del Oro as I just started and getting tips from Steve Scurfield. What kind of paddle do you have? Thanks for the great content!!
You stand 3-4' back from the service line when you are receiving serve. If the server chooses to hit a short, low serve that skips off the court service or is sharply angled to the edge of the court, doesn't this make it more difficult to get up to return this serve because the ball doesn't bounce high enough for you to get to it and return the serve?
I have been watching a lot of your vids lately. You have great tips on the game itself. I am looking to upgrade my paddle soon. I currently play with a Rokne Curve Classic. I definitely need a touch paddle. I have been looking at several options. A selkirk, paddletek tempest wave pro, and possibly the CRBN2. I also don't want to break the bank and want a paddle that will last a few yrs.
Been selling paddles for 15 years. Good choice on Tempest Wave Pro and another to look out for is Engage Pursuit MX or EX 6.0 or Pursuit MX or EX. The 6.0 has a 5/8 inch core and the standard MX or EX has 4/8 core. Expense your paddle like an investment .... it should last you a long time and you will have confidence in your purchase. Gearbox GX5 and GX6 (thin carbon fiber paddles are nearly indestructible). Good luck.
Wish I could give you something definitive on CRBN2. I have seen few of them on the courts. Seen reviews. Carbon fiber is very strong material. Gearbox has been around for quite awhile and uses carbon fiber. If you are a patient dinker …. the Gearbox CX14 is hard to beat. Super soft on dinks.
This may work in doubles at a lower level. Definitely not in singles, if you hit a high slow ball it gives the server all the time in the world to run around and hit a forehand to pass the guy at the net with a drive. The pros usually return a low sliced ball in singles. Ben Johns hits a low sliced backhand on his returns practically every time... That's just what I noticed... This is also a risky shot if you have the wind behind you. If the ball goes out because it is high, the other team gets a free point.
What about a slice low return but not hard.? I like that slice . I am in a habit of hitting it. If you hit a fairly not super short lobbing return …drivers ( hard hitters) I’ve found love that
Devil's advocate: a slow lofty return is very easy to set up on, and land an easy successful 3rd shot. From the baseline I actually love doing a hybrid drop-drive when they ball is high enough. Personally I slice almost every return, however I keep it lower to the net; the slice floats, buying you time.
@@BrionesPickleball looks like your feet are moving forward while you're returning the ball. I've had coaches tell me to then other players tell me not to.
Definitely see a place for soft returns. But your 4th shots were intentionally missed. Otherwise, they were great returns. Let’s not forget that a Pickleball court is basically 4 times smaller than a tennis court and the NVZ is easily reached regardless of how fast or slow a return is
You are hitting and STOPPING, ruining your forward momentum. Hit the ball HARD while on the run. You will get AT LEAST another step closer to the net, especially with your speed. You DO hit and run while hitting that float return so I know you know this. Don't hit and stop, hit and run. It will scare your opponent. 😎
Most players are from 3.0-4.0 and they need to learn how to hit a high deep return. At higher levels with good groundstrokes, you can hit and run in, but that is much harder to do.
Jordan, I am confused. In video when you are hitting with Katrina you are not positioning yourself as in singles leaving a huge part of court uncovered But you also have video segments showing doubles play. You mention deep floater return is equally effective for singles and doubles. I beg to differ based on your singles positioning.
In those clips we are practicing skinny singles, only playing half of the court, cross court. This is A very common way to drill and practice for doubles.
I notice in women's singles they don't get to net as quickly, if all, like the men do. It looks like a tennis slugfest match. Is it because women are not as quick as men to cover from the kitchen? By the way, I was looking for this explanation on returns - thanks.
You went wrong when you claimed beginners and experts make this mistake, that's incorrect, experts win most of those points either outright or by having control It's antithetical, you've shown someone who can't volley as good as beginners, is he missing on purpose or are you editing those he un-explainably missed? This player set himself up to win every one of those points and blew it. You give any good player a slow high return of serve, they're winning the point more often than losing
@@BrionesPickleball Rather, you didn't make the point you meant: You proved the reverse and in against those with fair tom midland volleys. The player you had in this vid couldn't put simple volleys into play (and then have control of point or win it outright) This guy losing those points after his hard low returns should have been in control of every one of those, even near beginners are in control of every one of those points after what should have been simple volleys instead of flubs and chunks. The level of that players' return looked like he missed those volleys on purpose to make your point they were that easy
Sorry, I disagree with this one, at least for singles. Based on your examples of "what to do..." your balls set up so high that anyone confident with their ground strokes should be able to pass you. In doubles, maybe not. Wouldn't you be better of "chippin' and chargin'" in singles? keeping the ball low so they couldn't drive it as easily and also giving you time to get to the kitchen?
This video is specifically for doubles. Singles can be much different. Watch a singles breakdown here : Learn The BEST Singles Strategies + Tips For ALL Levels | Briones Pickleball th-cam.com/video/dvxEwQxHLl0/w-d-xo.html
Please consider playing no music. Not necessary and not enjoyable and is distracting. Too many viewers w different music genres. We're hear to learn pickleball, not listen to music.
I’m a very high level singles player, and mixing up your returns are key. If you constantly hit your returns too hard in singles and can’t get to the NVZ, you will get passed every time. If you are fast enough to hit your returns hard and get to the line, then no problem.
I disagree. I think this can be very useful in singles, especially if you hit it deep to someone’s backhand, even if it’s loftier than a “regular” drive.
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Love your tips! Another benefit of hitting a softer/deep return is it’s harder for someone to drive the ball off a soft ball. Trying to drive a ball hard is more difficult off of a ball with minimal pace.
Yes!
Jordan you break the game down exceptionally well! I am learning so much from watching your videos. Best content out there!
Thanks !!
Agreed
This is a great suggestion. I noticed other players using this strategy and I could not figure out why they were using the strategy. Now I have a better sense of what to try next time I play. Great video production -- super helpful.
You’re welcome!
Wow! I've totally been banging it back and getting caught. Such simple but excellent advice! Larry
Thanks Larry !
You hit it right. Someone coached me about positioning and not to hit hard and fast on the return from serve. When I did what he told me, it improved my game. Thanks for this vid, coach! 👍
Awesome Effem !
I really liked the split screen. It really shows the shot from both the serving and receiver's side of each shot.
Thanks!
Excellent advice and presentation! You managed to not say "okay" until 4:06 and only said it a couple of times later after you got tired. Tremendous discipline in correcting your presentation. Congratulations. I was able to watch the whole video and glad to have such good advice on returning the serve. I'm going to use it today!
Lol. Thanks. It’s is all part of a gambling over/under on how many times I say ok in each video. I have to keep people on their toes😊
@@BrionesPickleball - Ha ha wow. I want to get in on that action. I'll put up a bunch of money. Then you can take a dive and we'll split it. Okay? Thanks for being a good sport.
Set it up and email us when it’s ready 😎
Good tip. A lofted return like this is now my favorite return in doubles, but in singles I have to try to dictate play. A lofted return gets me to the NVZ, but just getting there doesn't mean I'm mobile enough to cover a good passing shot or a good lob. Most of us less-than-5.0 players have some exploitable weakness. Crappy backhand? Misplay spin? Poor footwork/mobility? Faulty positioning on the court?
I'm going to try to spot and attack weaknesses. I know consistency and not making errors are keys to winning, so in attacking I'm usually not going for a great shot. What I'm going for is a GOOD shot that puts my opponent at some disadvantage. My hope is the shot that comes back to me is one that allows me to hit another good shot and press my advantage. I'm looking to win the rally 2/3/4 shots after a strategic return. If I can't gain an advantage by judiciously attacking weaknesses... Well, the other player is just better; I'm gonna lose. So, at least let's go down swinging, shall we? Lol
Great thoughts. For singles, it is much different, as there are different variables in singles. I hope to do one specifically on singles soon. In the meantime, here’s a great singles strategy video!
th-cam.com/video/dvxEwQxHLl0/w-d-xo.html
Another thing you did in the second example was moving towards the net during your shot instead hitting the shot flat footed, then moving forward. Great lessons, thank you.
Np!
This video couldn't come at a more perfect time. I've been struggling with transition to the kitchen line. Never thought of hitting it like that. Thanks!
Awesome Ron!
Same! Thank you!
This is one of the best return of serve videos I have seen yet. The examples of what not to do, compared to what to do, were very helpful. The music was also good!!!!
Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
Glad it was helpful!
This video was helpful I've been driving my returns back as hard as I can
Great!!
Just wanted to say how good you are at instructional videos. I appreciate all your videos.
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Thanks Ann!
I find playing 3.5 to 4.0 players that a hard fast and fairly deep return, sometimes with side or under spin is really affective and gets my partner at the NVZ a put away ball or at least an attack able ball. My thought is that the return is really an approach shot and if I can hit it well as described I can get in far enough to volley the third drive. So I’m thinking “return and volley”. I have pretty solid half volleys so even if they are successful in getting the ball down towards my feet I can usually hit a solid half volley back at the servers feet.
At higher levels you definitely want to mix up the speeds and kinds of your returns. Although if you are getting caught in transition, then you are returning way too fast. Stick to what works, then change it up!
Eventually, you're gonna get "burned".
Follow the instructions on this video and you'll be better for it.
He's ignoring that you have a partner. There are times when you might have to drive low, or struggle to get all the way up, I expect my highly skilled partner to help me out. This is definitely appropriate for serves that take you off the court
Excellent point. It seems so logical, yet I haven't thought it through like this. Thanks.
Np !
Awesome, awesome! Great tip and I will certainly put this one into my game. My wife and I have only starting 1-1/2 months ago and see how much strategy is in this game. Thanks Jordan and Katrina!
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Hit the nail on the head with this one!!!! at least for me! Thanks for the tip! Vince
Np !
Very good point. I've never heard anyone explain it before. Thanks!
Thanks Carter !
Love this great tip, and the demonstration of it. I am guilty of the similar returns, hard hit but short. Can’t wait to try this great tip. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
I like the videos where the speech is succinct. Thanks for the tips.
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Great tips!
Thanks Ben!
Great tip! It makes so much sense and you did a great job at explaining and demonstrating how to do this type of return. I appreciate you!!
Thanks!!
Great video as always! Props to Sabrina, she's got some game!!!
Katrina. Lol. Yes she does!
I just lost so many points not being able to return a very strong screwball serve. The server was so good at sending the ball in both directions- where it could spin to your right or your left (on either side of the court). It was really challenging to see where the ball was going to bounce and many times, I was there- but the wall simply bounced the other way due to spin. Tips appreciated.
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Great video as always. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
It is exactly what i need !! Thank you very much
Np !
Another great tip Jordan! Thank you!
Thanks!
Thanks Jordan I needed this!
Np David!
I love these videos Jordan. Cracks me up though you always say let's jump right in and then it usually takes a minute or two for th to good content 😁
Haha
Looking forward to trying this strategy! Thank you.
You’re welcome!
Great tip.thank you
Thanks Joseph !
Great instructional video. Thanks as always.
Thanks Roy !
Well done and spot on as usual!
Thanks Vito !!!!!
That video of you and your gang playing, + camara angel is VERY instructive as well. Maybe a video offering with some commentary of what shots/ coverage/ strategy would be well received.
Yes, thanks!
It's all about that first bounce on each side. On tennis this type of return is disastrous with all the baseliners you can't just pop up the ball they will smash volley you. But for this particular pickle it's perfect 👌
Of course
this is a great idea, I normally try to do this because it buys you time. good tip
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Great video - what kind of yellow engage paddle are you using, please?
Engage encore MX 6.0
@@BrionesPickleball thank you..is it yellow? I don’t see that as an option.
Green
Not sure if they still have green
This approach has already paid off big time. I get to the NVZ as the ball is just being returned.
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Always good tips, music not necessary. Would rather focus on your instruction, viewing your examples
Thanks. You can always hit the mute button if you can’t concentrate 😊
@@BrionesPickleball thks for your reply. Yes you're exactly right but then I wouldn't have the golden opportunity to get to hear your sound effects including the balls' loud trajectory.
Do you prefer to play rec games w music? I'm not fond of when a player brings their boom box to the courts...like really? It's pickleball and time to focus, take that to the skating rink!
Don’t mind if it’s rec. if it’s with friends, it’s more fun !
@@BrionesPickleball well when we're all as good as you, then we can play with the tunes
Lol
After the serve, opponents are typically at/behind baseline. Can a drop return be effective to get them off-balanced for a winner or 3rd shot pop-up, or is this too risky?
Pretty risky shot
Low reward
Hey Jordan, I’m a 66 year old approx 3.0 player. I’ve been working on the high deep return of serve allowing me to easily get to the non volley zone line. What I am finding is that most of the people I play with cannot execute a 3rd shot drop so I get to the line and they lob deep for their 3rd shot. Is it better for me to stay back as their 3rd shot will always be in front of me or continue to get the line? Do 4.0-5.0 players deep lob their 3rd or 5th shots very often when their opponents are at the line? Thanks
I would suggest getting up to 4 feet behind the NVZ and work on your overheads
Do you still practice and teach slice returns? Thanks
Of course.
Agree music distracts, always great tips
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great point .. thanks
Thanks Frank !
Would it be beneficial for your partner to delay coming up to the NVZ line just in case of a lob 3rd shot and you could cover the 3rd shot drop just in case
In most cases, no. Now if you are having a really hard time defending 3rd shot lobs, this may be ok. In higher level play, you won’t see a team purposefully delay coming to the net.
Whats the title of the music background??😅
I found it on Canva… sorry I don’t have the title right now
Wow!!! Thx! Now I hate solid strategy to be a better player
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This is a very helpful video. But I agree with the comment about the music. Cut it out. It’s very irritating.
Lol
Coming from a tennis background- I am trying to figure out the logic-- For me an approach shot would always be a slice down the line or somewhere other than too them--- am I missing something here with this Pickle Ball logic-- My purpose is to have them hit a shot that is sub par so I can just have the court angled off for their return- hopefully for an easy put away--- I have only played PB for two weeks :) but tennis since 5 years old :)
I played years of tennis too Brad; singles pickleball and doubles pickleball is quite different. In doubles, you want to be established at the net after your return. So hitting a high deep return is what gets you to the net. That being said, if you can hit a faster/lower return and still get to the net, then do that!
Very good advice, allows you to move to kitchen , thanks for the tip. I really like your videos keep them coming.
Thanks Steve!!
Question, I noticed that you hit it in the air after her return ? Is that allowed in singles ? Because I thought it wasn't allow in doubles ?
You probably saw incorrectly, you can only volley the 4th shot.
I agree with the strategy here. I think the hard part with this method is that you loose the topspin component that helps people with control and distance. When I've tried this technique, if I loft it, but leave it short, we get drilled pretty hard because the ball bounces high and short. Or, if it's a funky serve, then I end up sailing it out. What is the secret to finding the right distance and range with this technique since you don't have topspin to help control it? Is it just mechanics and repetition?
Yes. Also, a topspin return is great as well, but it’s just faster. If you don’t have a problem getting to the NVZ, hit a topspin return.
@@BrionesPickleball Makes sense. Yes, I tried this out last night at open play and just couldn't dial in the control to get the depth needed. The backspin was great, but when going shallow, it was still a disadvantage. I ended up landing on using more of a topspin return, but more of a looping type shot where I aim for the back center court with a slight angle toward the left player's backhand (assuming they are both right handed players). This gave me the time to get there, plus it took a lot of pace off the ball and left them most of the time either in indecision or that left player hitting a backhand. But, this video helped confirm the idea of this versus a burner topspin return and getting stuck half way. Does what I described sound right? Or would you modify that a bit or encourage me to pick up a different approach? (fyi: playing mostly 4.0 - 4.5 type players)
I just found out about pickleball and i love the channel! Being an AZ native i recently heard that Pickleball Kingdom offers a free course to learn to play Pickleball. Would it be worth taking a visit there??
Sure why not !
Jordan! Fellow NorCal player over here and just played a tournament over at Willow Pass Park in Concord! Missed your clinic over at Rio Del Oro as I just started and getting tips from Steve Scurfield. What kind of paddle do you have? Thanks for the great content!!
I have lots of them. Lol. This one in this video is an engage encore paddle.
You stand 3-4' back from the service line when you are receiving serve. If the server chooses to hit a short, low serve that skips off the court service or is sharply angled to the edge of the court, doesn't this make it more difficult to get up to return this serve because the ball doesn't bounce high enough for you to get to it and return the serve?
Of course. You have to adjust your positioning based on the server. Typically, it’s easier to run forward than back.
Brilliant.
Thanks Liz!
I have been watching a lot of your vids lately. You have great tips on the game itself. I am looking to upgrade my paddle soon. I currently play with a Rokne Curve Classic. I definitely need a touch paddle. I have been looking at several options. A selkirk, paddletek tempest wave pro, and possibly the CRBN2. I also don't want to break the bank and want a paddle that will last a few yrs.
I hope to be doing paddle reviews on this channel soon !
@@BrionesPickleball cool beans if there anything like your tips I am sure it will be 🔥.
Been selling paddles for 15 years. Good choice on Tempest Wave Pro and another to look out for is Engage Pursuit MX or EX 6.0 or Pursuit MX or EX. The 6.0 has a 5/8 inch core and the standard MX or EX has 4/8 core. Expense your paddle like an investment .... it should last you a long time and you will have confidence in your purchase. Gearbox GX5 and GX6 (thin carbon fiber paddles are nearly indestructible). Good luck.
@@paulmay6249 what about CRBN
Wish I could give you something definitive on CRBN2. I have seen few of them on the courts. Seen reviews. Carbon fiber is very strong material. Gearbox has been around for quite awhile and uses carbon fiber. If you are a patient dinker …. the Gearbox CX14 is hard to beat. Super soft on dinks.
This may work in doubles at a lower level. Definitely not in singles, if you hit a high slow ball it gives the server all the time in the world to run around and hit a forehand to pass the guy at the net with a drive. The pros usually return a low sliced ball in singles. Ben Johns hits a low sliced backhand on his returns practically every time... That's just what I noticed... This is also a risky shot if you have the wind behind you. If the ball goes out because it is high, the other team gets a free point.
This is a video more geared for doubles. I’ll do a singles vid soon.
What about a slice low return but not hard.? I like that slice . I am in a habit of hitting it.
If you hit a fairly not super short lobbing return …drivers ( hard hitters) I’ve found love that
That’s a good shot too, as long as it’s deep
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@@BrionesPickleball ok. Im open
@@BrionesPickleball PS…..Carmen was my trainer. You may know her from your time in the NorCal area
This video should explicitly state what Jordan clearly demonstrates: the 2nd shot is the only shot you hit while moving forward, not standing still.
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that was good, never played, but that was good, our courts are so biz, one cannot get on and we have 0, I have tried 9 times, I may take up cricket
Go in the afternoon, less people
Salamat Po
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Just curious. Is there a reason you spin your paddle after every hit or is that just habit?
Habit lol
I figured this would work in doubles, but not in singles. Since you’d be giving them a open opportunity to place it.
It can work in singles, I’ll do a video on that soon.
Always the best❤ Bill
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Great video
Thanks!
Devil's advocate: a slow lofty return is very easy to set up on, and land an easy successful 3rd shot. From the baseline I actually love doing a hybrid drop-drive when they ball is high enough. Personally I slice almost every return, however I keep it lower to the net; the slice floats, buying you time.
Yes, that is true. Good players will adjust their return based on the qualities and strengths/weaknesses of their opponents.
the slice provides them top spin return to rip a 3rd drive.
Sure, although good players can drive any return.
Indeed @@BrionesPickleball
Return on the run see that folks
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@@BrionesPickleball looks like your feet are moving forward while you're returning the ball. I've had coaches tell me to then other players tell me not to.
You definitely want your momentum moving forward through contact.
How good are your returns?
better than yours
Great tips, Coach! More footage of you playing 5.0+ games please!!
Thanks Matt!!
Definitely see a place for soft returns. But your 4th shots were intentionally missed. Otherwise, they were great returns. Let’s not forget that a Pickleball court is basically 4 times smaller than a tennis court and the NVZ is easily reached regardless of how fast or slow a return is
For players less mobile and older, time to get to the net is super important
Even for the pros
For sure! For the less mobile, definitely makes sense :-)
You are hitting and STOPPING, ruining your forward momentum. Hit the ball HARD while on the run. You will get AT LEAST another step closer to the net, especially with your speed.
You DO hit and run while hitting that float return so I know you know this.
Don't hit and stop, hit and run. It will scare your opponent. 😎
Most players are from 3.0-4.0 and they need to learn how to hit a high deep return. At higher levels with good groundstrokes, you can hit and run in, but that is much harder to do.
You are just missing your 3rd shots on "What not to do". Clearly sabotage for the video. I would be attacking that shot, not hitting it with my purse.
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Jordan, I am confused. In video when you are hitting with Katrina you are not positioning yourself as in singles leaving a huge part of court uncovered But you also have video segments showing doubles play. You mention deep floater return is equally effective for singles and doubles. I beg to differ based on your singles positioning.
In those clips we are practicing skinny singles, only playing half of the court, cross court. This is A very common way to drill and practice for doubles.
For the purpose of his bad examples, Jason somehow forgot how to split step when the opponents strike the ball while he's still trapped in mid-court.
Yes! Also, it’s Jordan. Lol.
Good education. Lose the music.
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I notice in women's singles they don't get to net as quickly, if all, like the men do. It looks like a tennis slugfest match. Is it because women are not as quick as men to cover from the kitchen? By the way, I was looking for this explanation on returns - thanks.
Yes, coverage at the net has a lot to do with it. I hope to do some singles breakdowns in the future.
Good stuff, but please Oh ditch the music…
I’ll turn it down next time… lol
Agree, and personally don't care for the PIP.
Pip ?
No music, agree.
PIP = picture in picture
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You went wrong when you claimed beginners and experts make this mistake, that's incorrect, experts win most of those points either outright or by having control
It's antithetical, you've shown someone who can't volley as good as beginners, is he missing on purpose or are you editing those he un-explainably missed?
This player set himself up to win every one of those points and blew it.
You give any good player a slow high return of serve, they're winning the point more often than losing
I think you missed the point of the whole video
@@BrionesPickleball Rather, you didn't make the point you meant:
You proved the reverse and in against those with fair tom midland volleys.
The player you had in this vid couldn't put simple volleys into play (and then have control of point or win it outright)
This guy losing those points after his hard low returns should have been in control of every one of those, even near beginners are in control of every one of those points after what should have been simple volleys instead of flubs and chunks.
The level of that players' return looked like he missed those volleys on purpose to make your point they were that easy
Sorry, I disagree with this one, at least for singles. Based on your examples of "what to do..." your balls set up so high that anyone confident with their ground strokes should be able to pass you. In doubles, maybe not. Wouldn't you be better of "chippin' and chargin'" in singles? keeping the ball low so they couldn't drive it as easily and also giving you time to get to the kitchen?
This video is specifically for doubles. Singles can be much different. Watch a singles breakdown here :
Learn The BEST Singles Strategies + Tips For ALL Levels | Briones Pickleball
th-cam.com/video/dvxEwQxHLl0/w-d-xo.html
Please consider playing no music. Not necessary and not enjoyable and is distracting. Too many viewers w different music genres. We're hear to learn pickleball, not listen to music.
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Turn off the music please
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Great instruction, annoying music
lol thanks
"Return like this" should be in green. Just say'n.
Lol. I’ll remember that next time!
slow talker
You can speed it up on TH-cam, no problem
In singles this advice is terrible.
I’m a very high level singles player, and mixing up your returns are key. If you constantly hit your returns too hard in singles and can’t get to the NVZ, you will get passed every time. If you are fast enough to hit your returns hard and get to the line, then no problem.
I disagree. I think this can be very useful in singles, especially if you hit it deep to someone’s backhand, even if it’s loftier than a “regular” drive.
that crappy slice is just a junk ball, hit the forehand but with more topspin, gimme your number so i can show you
Lol
Another great video; thanks for your instructional content.
Thanks!