I believe it would be your body postition relative to where the ball bounces. As they noted do not back up (imaginary wall). A half-volley would be something bouncing very close to you that you do not hit at it's apex. The bounding return would be a ball bouncing in front of you that you could take at it's apex. If you noted Kyle was close to the base line for the half-volley drills and further back for the bounding return drills. In a game situation you would need to adjust to where the server hits it, deep or short, to decide on the type of return.
This is usually a style that you choose for yourself in advance. If you struggle with mobility you may choose the half volley return so you aren’t too far away from the short serves.
Well if I knew someone was serving short often I'd be more aggressive with getting forward and taking the ball as early as possible to chip it deep while getting to the net, but if someone is definitely hitting the ball deep near the line I'm probably not as inclined to hug the backline for setting up an aggressive move forward early. Also if the serve if often wide and I'm not in front of the ball probably harder to get to the serve, chip it back and go into a good defensive position near the kitchen, but it depends on your footwork and speed. If you are good with half volleys already and can time moving forward with chipping deep all at once... I'd do it as often as I could if they were server shallow middle or near the T. Just my amateur opinion.
Most useful moment for me was 10:04 which shows more of a sideways address on the backhand than I normally use. These serves as illustrated are easyville. The reason I'm not using this address normally is that many players I'm up against nail the outside line with a horrific spin and I'm trying to position myself _behind_ the sudden angle change, rather than have a sharper outward bounce stretch my arm out. (Plus on some courts you have to take into account constrictions of a fence if the ball turns hard.) And then that decision followed me into the easier backhand locations, which might be a mistake. These same servers are also capable of vicious short serves with hardly any bounce that mandate a lunging forward scoop, so you can't get comfortable in any dimension.
I started hitting a much better second shot when instead of rushing to get up to the net, I set my feet, hit my shot with loft then got up to the net. This is such an easy area to give up points in pickleball, don't make the same mistakes I did!
Playing from last year or so. solid 3.5 and also play well iwth 4.0s. I always use half volleys to retun serves as I stand just behind the base line. some 4.0s told me that my retun is very very weak and stronger players will smash it when lift it in the air from half volleying returns. I did struggled when I played at higher level with half vollwy retuns. Otherwise it works for me flawlessly even with fastest serves in Rec plays. I tried to change it but it is incredibly difficult to change the technique. By standing way behimd the line I am hitting out or on net. Fast serves just cant take it. What should I do? It made me feel like I am not good enough to play with 4.0s
Random question: I have strained both calf muscles in the last 6 months and tweaked one last night. I stretch before I leave to play as well as when I get to the courts. I wear babalot shoes as well. Can anyone recommend anything to prevent future strains/pulls? Also, take electrolytes before playing.
scott, i little dynamic warm up is a good idea. i like hearing that you stretch prior - in pickleball we can take off for a short or wide ball on the 1st point. whereas a jogger or cyclist won't need to stretch prior to their workout. paramount - STRETCH POST WORKOUT! your muscles are at their warmest - ergo most responsive to change. think about the properties of glass and metal -- also malleable once warmed. muscles are the same, you will get the best stretch after a workout. Additionally, POST WORKOUT STRETCHING helps the lactic acid and metabolic wastes that build up during your workout to flush. shortening your recovery time and diminishing the likelyhood of injury. some sun salutations are a nice dynamic warm up, down dogs or legs up a wall pose at the end for your posterior chain AND 1/2 pigeon pose is magic for the low back with all of the twisting and rotation we do in p.ball.
I pulled my left calf muscle 2 weeks apart after playing for 3 hours at a time. Went to PT. He had me doing one footed toe raises, runners stretch with your leg behind you but push back down on your heel. You can stretch on a stair step. I take chondroiten and magnesium supplements also. Using a balance board also will help.
I am trying to understand this. So a better return strategy than just rocketing it straight back is to hit a higher and slower ball to buy time to get up to the net?
It depends on your skill level to some degree, but most beginner/intermediate players need more time to get to the kitchen for their first volley. Hitting your returns higher and slower gives you more time to get there.
Adding plastic Soccer cones inside the baseline also helps server and retuner to see just how deep their shots are.. I've been using this drill on my intermediate students for several months now..
@@TysonMcGuffinPickleball It's really surprising even at "non pro" levels how effective keeping the opponent BACK is. If done properly It's a very high percentage point win.
Does it matter who you return the service ball too? It looks like he was returning the ball always to the server side? And also when returning the service, i noticed Kyle was placing himself towards the center line as opposed to centering himself between the middle line and outside line...
There are a lot of factors to consider when choosing where or who to return to. Kyle will usually “shade” to leave a bigger part of the court covered with his forehand since he prefers his forehand to his backhand.
I do this exactly, so it's assuring to me I'm doing the correct thing, but I have had players tell me I need to stay back with them and move up together, that I'm rushing to the kitchen. (this is coming from people who stay back to long I feel) I'm watching them in corner of my eye and slowing myself down to get to the kitchen as a team. And of course, I get hit right at the foot at times Ideas anyone? I am a 3.5-4 player.
Most courts I play in in my area , don’t have that big open space behind the back court line, you got either a fence, curtain, netting, etc… so going back farther isn’t an option especially on a high bounce serve.
I expect my partner to also help call the service lines. I think what is left out not verbalized your return is crosscourt you squeeze the middle. You guys do it automatically!
No mention of when return of server should stop and split step as they approach kitchen? There are situations when they may not have enough time to fully reach the kitchen line. Thank you.
As a young guy that surfs, spear fishes, and plays 5.0 tennis seeing younger people playing such a clown sport shows why nato and the USA are monkeypox nations. It really is disgusting. Pickleball is great once you can’t play other sports but to turn this driveway game into something serious is so low IQ. I went to imperial college of London ranked 9 in the world and have a very high IQ and this is dangerous and if these younger guys keep this up they will regret it one day
though tennis is 50×harder than pball and pro tennis players are the best athletes in the world-- ive have yet to lose to a converted tennis player to pickleball player and i never played any raquet sports ever..in pball good luck hitting groundstrokes from the baseline and trying to pass a good net/volley pball player..it rarely happens!!
@@guyrestivo do it all the time and x tennis owns the ranks of Pickleball pros I use a full western from the baseline and have good dinking and knocking teeth out at the nvz.
why are you even watching these videos????.......go play your tennis and get better so you are number 5 or less...stop trolling people who enjoy what they are doing and do what you are so good at doing...should be seeing you at Wimbledon this summer then???
@@brianbanks3044 i play tennis for my father and for the excercise. My father owns a very big investment firm here in London and I have no aspirations to be a professional nor could I ever. I’m way to muscular so I’m not as fast elite players. Pickleball will ruin america. I heard they just indicted Trump. What joke and Russia is kicking your low IQ asses all over the battle field. Your petro dollar is over. Homeless people all over your cities, I’m reading now that trannies are raiding court houses in some TN place wherever that is. Pickleball is a few steps from the front door of having a sex change and I’m serious.
No mention of spin. Underspin is helpful because it floats the ball deeper and bounces low. It's similar to a "chip and charge" mentality from tennis.
Great point!
What determines when you choose the half-volley vs the bounding return?
I believe it would be your body postition relative to where the ball bounces. As they noted do not back up (imaginary wall). A half-volley would be something bouncing very close to you that you do not hit at it's apex. The bounding return would be a ball bouncing in front of you that you could take at it's apex. If you noted Kyle was close to the base line for the half-volley drills and further back for the bounding return drills. In a game situation you would need to adjust to where the server hits it, deep or short, to decide on the type of return.
This is usually a style that you choose for yourself in advance. If you struggle with mobility you may choose the half volley return so you aren’t too far away from the short serves.
Well if I knew someone was serving short often I'd be more aggressive with getting forward and taking the ball as early as possible to chip it deep while getting to the net, but if someone is definitely hitting the ball deep near the line I'm probably not as inclined to hug the backline for setting up an aggressive move forward early. Also if the serve if often wide and I'm not in front of the ball probably harder to get to the serve, chip it back and go into a good defensive position near the kitchen, but it depends on your footwork and speed. If you are good with half volleys already and can time moving forward with chipping deep all at once... I'd do it as often as I could if they were server shallow middle or near the T. Just my amateur opinion.
Most useful moment for me was 10:04 which shows more of a sideways address on the backhand than I normally use. These serves as illustrated are easyville. The reason I'm not using this address normally is that many players I'm up against nail the outside line with a horrific spin and I'm trying to position myself _behind_ the sudden angle change, rather than have a sharper outward bounce stretch my arm out. (Plus on some courts you have to take into account constrictions of a fence if the ball turns hard.) And then that decision followed me into the easier backhand locations, which might be a mistake. These same servers are also capable of vicious short serves with hardly any bounce that mandate a lunging forward scoop, so you can't get comfortable in any dimension.
Exactly! Glad this helps 👍
Great video, Looks like the Pickle Ball Playground in Spokane. Great place to play.
Love the Playground!
I started hitting a much better second shot when instead of rushing to get up to the net, I set my feet, hit my shot with loft then got up to the net. This is such an easy area to give up points in pickleball, don't make the same mistakes I did!
Yes! Trust your shape. This will give you more time to move forward and margin of error over the net 👍.
KMac, That looks like quite a shiner. I hope your eye is okay.
Yes he took a shot to the eye at one of our early morning sessions. Luckily his eye was fine and it looked worse than it was.
Playing from last year or so. solid 3.5 and also play well iwth 4.0s. I always use half volleys to retun serves as I stand just behind the base line. some 4.0s told me that my retun is very very weak and stronger players will smash it when lift it in the air from half volleying returns. I did struggled when I played at higher level with half vollwy retuns. Otherwise it works for me flawlessly even with fastest serves in Rec plays. I tried to change it but it is incredibly difficult to change the technique. By standing way behimd the line I am hitting out or on net. Fast serves just cant take it. What should I do? It made me feel like I am not good enough to play with 4.0s
Random question: I have strained both calf muscles in the last 6 months and tweaked one last night. I stretch before I leave to play as well as when I get to the courts. I wear babalot shoes as well. Can anyone recommend anything to prevent future strains/pulls? Also, take electrolytes before playing.
I pulled my hamstring and shoulder playing. And what helps me is icing and massaging those muscles after every play
What level of player are you? You run around for exercise or play percentage pickleball?
Recovery air Thera boots helps me a lot.
scott, i little dynamic warm up is a good idea. i like hearing that you stretch prior - in pickleball we can take off for a short or wide ball on the 1st point. whereas a jogger or cyclist won't need to stretch prior to their workout. paramount - STRETCH POST WORKOUT! your muscles are at their warmest - ergo most responsive to change. think about the properties of glass and metal -- also malleable once warmed. muscles are the same, you will get the best stretch after a workout. Additionally, POST WORKOUT STRETCHING helps the lactic acid and metabolic wastes that build up during your workout to flush. shortening your recovery time and diminishing the likelyhood of injury. some sun salutations are a nice dynamic warm up, down dogs or legs up a wall pose at the end for your posterior chain AND 1/2 pigeon pose is magic for the low back with all of the twisting and rotation we do in p.ball.
I pulled my left calf muscle 2 weeks apart after playing for 3 hours at a time. Went to PT. He had me doing one footed toe raises, runners stretch with your leg behind you but push back down on your heel. You can stretch on a stair step. I take chondroiten and magnesium supplements also. Using a balance board also will help.
I am trying to understand this.
So a better return strategy than just rocketing it straight back is to hit a higher and slower ball to buy time to get up to the net?
It depends on your skill level to some degree, but most beginner/intermediate players need more time to get to the kitchen for their first volley. Hitting your returns higher and slower gives you more time to get there.
@@TysonMcGuffinPickleball So you can hit high or low, as long as it gives you time to get to the kitchen?
Adding plastic Soccer cones inside the baseline also helps server and retuner to see just how deep their shots are..
I've been using this drill on my intermediate students for several months now..
Love it! Any way to show beginners the importance of depth 👍
@@TysonMcGuffinPickleball
It's really surprising even at "non pro" levels how effective keeping the opponent BACK is.
If done properly It's a very high percentage point win.
Does it matter who you return the service ball too? It looks like he was returning the ball always to the server side? And also when returning the service, i noticed Kyle was placing himself towards the center line as opposed to centering himself between the middle line and outside line...
There are a lot of factors to consider when choosing where or who to return to. Kyle will usually “shade” to leave a bigger part of the court covered with his forehand since he prefers his forehand to his backhand.
Would love to join one of your clinics if you ever hold one in the Atlanta area.
Be on the lookout! Our 2023 TM camp schedule will be posted on my website soon!
Good info. Thanks!
Glad you’re enjoying the content 👍
T-Bone!! Love the content my guy #chelanboys
Appreciate it brother!
I do this exactly, so it's assuring to me I'm doing the correct thing, but I have had players tell me I need to stay back with them and move up together, that I'm rushing to the kitchen. (this is coming from people who stay back to long I feel) I'm watching them in corner of my eye and slowing myself down to get to the kitchen as a team. And of course, I get hit right at the foot at times Ideas anyone? I am a 3.5-4 player.
what do you mean by "trapping"?
Just means to catch the ball and stop the point.
Half volley return practice Good idea.
We wouldn’t lead you astray 😂
Ooh I’m guilty at times on return of serve. Some of those crazy chainsaw serves are hard to swing through, I’m not getting ready soon enough
Return of serve is all about preparation. Plan for success ahead of time!
Great lesson team, Im new to the sport and was having issues with this topic. Your lesson really helped me out Thanks Again!!
Great to hear! Thanks for watching Jason 🙌
Most courts I play in in my area , don’t have that big open space behind the back court line, you got either a fence, curtain, netting, etc… so going back farther isn’t an option especially on a high bounce serve.
I expect my partner to also help call the service lines. I think what is left out not verbalized your return is crosscourt you squeeze the middle. You guys do it automatically!
That’s right! Follow the path of the ball on your return 👍.
Just noticed a spelling mistake in the thumbnail :| Awesome video though! Always great content.
Thanks for watching!
I was wondering if he wore sleeves
No mention of when return of server should stop and split step as they approach kitchen? There are situations when they may not have enough time to fully reach the kitchen line. Thank you.
Nike shorts? Adidas shoes? No mullet? Was this filmed a long time ago or did I miss something?
Yes! Was filmed a while ago and we just finished editing it. The production process takes a while. Thanks for watching 👍
what's with the eye shadow
Return at 4:53....Kyle's KRIPTONITE!! 🤪
Not his finest moment 🤣
@@TysonMcGuffinPickleball
And OF COURSE it's caught on video...🙃
What's up with black eye, Kyle?
Pickleball deflection
@@TysonMcGuffinPickleball off your paddle Mac? 😆
a ball line call dispute. kyle called it out......opponent said it was in......things happened....the ball ended up being in.
Close ups of coach ,Kyle as the view from behind is difficult to see
Talkative coach....
Better, if you had four players on the court.
found this video to be useless...how about driving the ball deep
Weak video. He did not hit any deep serves in the first several minutes. Returner was too close to line and no good returns.
The video was meant to show how to return from closer and further away from the baseline.
Weak comment.
As a young guy that surfs, spear fishes, and plays 5.0 tennis seeing younger people playing such a clown sport shows why nato and the USA are monkeypox nations. It really is disgusting. Pickleball is great once you can’t play other sports but to turn this driveway game into something serious is so low IQ. I went to imperial college of London ranked 9 in the world and have a very high IQ and this is dangerous and if these younger guys keep this up they will regret it one day
though tennis is 50×harder than pball and pro tennis players are the best athletes in the world-- ive have yet to lose to a converted tennis player to pickleball player and i never played any raquet sports ever..in pball good luck hitting groundstrokes from the baseline and trying to pass a good net/volley pball player..it rarely happens!!
@@guyrestivo do it all the time and x tennis owns the ranks of Pickleball pros I use a full western from the baseline and have good dinking and knocking teeth out at the nvz.
why are you even watching these videos????.......go play your tennis and get better so you are number 5 or less...stop trolling people who enjoy what they are doing and do what you are so good at doing...should be seeing you at Wimbledon this summer then???
@@brianbanks3044 i play tennis for my father and for the excercise. My father owns a very big investment firm here in London and I have no aspirations to be a professional nor could I ever. I’m way to muscular so I’m not as fast elite players. Pickleball will ruin america. I heard they just indicted Trump. What joke and Russia is kicking your low IQ asses all over the battle field. Your petro dollar is over. Homeless people all over your cities, I’m reading now that trannies are raiding court houses in some TN place wherever that is. Pickleball is a few steps from the front door of having a sex change and I’m serious.