⁴ᴷ⁶⁰ New Prototype R211Ts Curve Testing!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
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Here we see the first cars of the special R211T open-gangway train being tested at East NY Yard. These cars pilot an open, flexible passageway between cars in an effort to increase capacity, improve safety, and decrease asymmetrical car loading. These tests are intended to ensure that the wheelsets and open gangways are able to navigate the tightest simple and reverse curves. Enjoy this technical look at a very interesting test!
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I thought that the gamgways originally looked too long between cars. Epically as I'm used to the shorter gangways on the s7 and s8 stock in London. After seeing this I'll hold my hands up and say I was wrong, it looks like the work perfectly for the sharp curves on the subway.
The engineers know more than us
The other difference is that the gangways that cover the outer edges of the railcar are better suitable for sharp curves than ones that are in the middle just covering the door bay.
Tf?????
Agreed, I keep thinking they look awkward compared to other trains but now I see why they need to be like that.
Main reason for that has to be difference between railcar length. This is also the reason why historic town hall station was closed, amr?
I have high hopes that these trains will do well. It’s about time for something to walk through once again after the D-types were retired.
@Bread And Circuses no
I dont even know what is a d type
@@KawasakiR211S The D-Type,[1] commonly known as the Triplex, was a New York City Subway car class built by Pressed Steel Car Company. They were operated by the Brooklyn-Manhattan Transit Corporation (BMT) and its successors, which included the New York City Board of Transportation and the New York City Transit Authority (NYCTA). The fleet consisted of 121 cars, each arranged as three-section articulated units. Four units were built as a prototype in 1925,[2] and the production units were built during 1927 and 1928.
The D-types were the first articulated rapid transit rolling stock used in the United States, and were followed by several more articulated trains until the BMT sold all of its transit operations to the City on June 1, 1940. First placed into service in 1925, they operated primarily on the BMT's Southern Division, although they would also appear on many other parts of the subway system. The R27s, R30s, and R32s slowly replaced the triplex cars, which last ran on July 23, 1965. Three sets and a section were preserved, and the rest were scrapped.
I just hope there not bombarded with those electronic ads
A Race between the R179 (C) Train and the R211A/T (A) Train. Now that’s the race of the future. Hearing their motors start up in the same time man, I bet it’ll sound “futuristic”
the c train is always gonna win lols
@@vlogswtroy you do have a point there but Both R179 and R211A/T have a good acceleration so both are decent.
Or, I was thinking we might see R211A (C) train racing R211A (A) train!!!!
@@KingofGamingAndTrains456 Even better! Now that I hope the (C) Train finally goes back to having 10-Car trains
@@AceTNYC_722 I heard that the C line might continue using different length trains (480-foot R179 consists and 600-foot R211 consists). So yeah, some (C) trains will be 10 cars long in the future!
This video gets me very excited about the R211T. The more I see it in action, the more I believe that these trains will do great here in NYC. Here’s hoping it continues to test well along the B Division!
I can’t wait for the very first graffiti design on them!
@@Bassotronics i hope you don’t get what you want. If anyone tries to do all that, I hope they become one with the 3rd Rail. That will be “hot”!
@@glamslamcam
Lol! I was being sarcastic. I hate graffiti damaging those trains but yes… whoever does it should get electrocuted.
@@Bassotronics ohhhhh well you got me good. Lol I’m glad we’re on the same page
Nice to see these testing on the “J”, “M”, and “Z” Lines. The Broadway-Brooklyn line tends to have many curves.
The Z train don't exist, pal!
Z=Useless. Is there any other line, excluding the shuttles, that are useless?
especially when entering myrtle av broadway and in queens
Major curves like cyprus hills, Broadway junction , Marcy av
@@discontinued2209 Crescent Street
Well done DJ. The curve is been successful at the Atlantic Cut!
This is so awesome, this was my dream to see subway cars like this 7 years ago. It came true :)
It also came true to me the huge lettered signs they brought back again replacing the dumb teeny tiny red led roll sign.
I really appreciate all of the commentary and explanations! Lots of information I had not previously known.
They should put it on the R line between City Hall and Courtlandt. That'll really test the curve on'em.
For sure!
Cant wait to see these trains in service!!!!!
Me too
We all do, though for full term needs, this will probably wait until Option 2 of 437 cars is produced.
@@TheRailLeaguer Are you talking about the R211s on the Eastern division? I already know that the 4-car sets in the 2nd option order would be for the J, M and Z lines.
@@KingofGamingAndTrains456 I’m talking about the R211s in general.
When do they start officially going in passenger service?
It's crazy to think about filming from the first car and watching all the curves just from trying to film to the back of the train. Can't wait to see the videos
Nice to see on ENY yard on R211T
Why can't NYC renovate its subway stations !!!! Its almost 2023
Higher taxes
Come on Spring 2023, let the R211 trains be open! : ) We all can't wait.
We gonna definitely have more R211AS/TS coming one by one next year if God spare our lifes .
@@leecornwell5632 I hope. : 0
The places on the B division that might cause problems for the R-211T are the curve between Cortlandt St and City Hall and the S/B switch from F1 to F3 N/O Pacific ST (Barclay Ctr).
They might be taking the train there as well because any train that’s going into service shouldn’t have any issues on any curves. Otherwise it would be a design flaw.
they’ll most likely test there next
She sounds good. Her and her oldest triplet sister.
I wonder how it feel being in the gangway on that curve
Very cool if you belong to a gang.
@@Bassotronics ?
@@ItsDuckToYou
Gang.. Gangway.. ba-dum-tsss. 🥁
The ride is pretty smooth
Damnn that curve was super tight😮
I was worried the train and gangways would rip apart
With all the flexing going on, give it some time. They will rip after a few years.
@@Bassotronics Don’t worry, that’s what maintenance is for! (Hopefully)
@@Bassotronics They are designed for the NYCT, they're strong.
@@iitrapezoid_8243
I was being a bit sarcastic but good to know.
Those lights on the front are bright like the 🌞.
Nice to see the R211T handling this specific test better than the R211A.
Amazing video! Thanks for sharing this epic footage of the R211T testing the Gangways on sharp curves. Interesting but important tests for the longevity of the train cars!
I'm glad to see the MTA propelling the Subway into the future...
It's a lot of work managing a mostly 100 year old Subway/Metro system that's huge!
R211T will be the future of MTA
Excellent idea, man!
That zigzag curve is strange for sure! Would love to see the inside of the gangway and the floor plates where the cars connect in this situation 🤔
I thought the tightest curve was at the back in Jamaica Yard, where 30 Tk. meets the loop track. That's incredibly tight. If it's not the tightest it's right up there.
I’ll have to check that out.
Remember that what may not be that tight for the 3 door trains can be tight for the 4 door trains.
@@Bassotronics On the IRT, I don't know for sure, but Chambers to Park Place on the 2 and 3 is crazy-tight, as is the northbound S-curve leading to 149th Grand Concourse used by the 5. The southbound I don't think is quite as tight as northbound. But on the B Division I recall being told that that the sharpest curves were in the back of Jamaica Yard followed by the ENY leads. Whether it's true I can't say, but that's what I was told by someone in the know. Honestly I'd love to find the definitive answer to that to put in my book!
@@W2IRT
I’ll have to check Google maps for that. Sadly can’t check underground curves with it.
The new train looks awesome
Nice can't wait to see them in service
Salute To These Train Employees Testing The R211.
their salary is gonna be massive
For moving a train?
Wish someone would film the interior of the subway while it's on a curve so you could see the snake effect in action
1:52 So the R211T has built in lights underneath the train cars?
Yes. Rumor has it the Motorman left them on during the night time transfer for the fans. 😉
whats the difference btwn curves and reverse curves? btw love the content keep it up!
Reverse curves go one way, then immediately goes the other way
Reverse curve is another name for an S curve
Awesome vid…thank you much!!!🔥🔥🔥🥃🥃🥃
I just noticed how this stock seems to have less windows. As a Londoner in that way it reminds me of the new tube for London
Not less windows, the side ones are just narrower. As for the between car faces, they've been replaced with the gangways.
It's difficult to read the texts in this video please consider changing the font color.
1:03 do the bogies have lights on them or is that the interior lighting?
There are lights on the underbody for maintenance purposes. You can see them clearly in the next scene
was you the person we seen at east new york yard watching it do the worse case scenario testing>
Is he in trouble? 🤪
The R211’s looks like the old R40S’s with the “EXP”and “LOCAL” indicator lights
not just that, look at the black numbers on the sides
Again; wish we could see the inside moving!
Also, if the open gangway works, it's always possible they might see them as useful on the L and order some 4 Car sets. Nothing is et in stone at this point.
The last 437 cars in the 1612-car order include 32 cars set up in 4-car units.
Staten island railway will be running on 5 cars with those models!
It was about damn time NYC Subway got these, welcome to the new era of rapid transit !
i was just saying we need faster trains…cuz it is pathetic how overseas they’ve got trains that are Far FAR faster then or fastest trains here!!
Finally NYC will have them too
Watch them go around Union Station in Toronto from King Station to St. Andrew and in the opposite direction
Notice the BLUE painters tape at the bottom corners of each car to show any rubbing or scrapes that may occur
So cool to [finally] see in action
Each R211 looks very different
Batch 1 are Non-Gangway
Batch 2 with Gangway
thats why they are different models, R211A and R211T
I doubt they'll be assigned for the A,C,J,L or Z lines. Should be assigned for other lines that don't have a sharp curve
The 5-car units could be assigned to any line except for the J/Z, L and M, though it’s possible that the open gangway trains could go to the A, C, E, or F routes.
I'm gonna miss the R46s & SIR R44s once the R211s finally replace them...
Seeing the R211T signed up as an L has got me foaming quite a bit. I would react the same way if an R160 Siemens were to run on the L or M one day, though that would be pretty unlikely given that all the R160 Siemens units are 5-car units.
It's also kinda unlikely we'll ever see an R211 run on the L either, given that the L already uses mostly R143's, with a select few R160's from East NY Yard. If anything, the R211's will most likely run on the A, B, C, F, G, N, R, and W lines. The R68/A's from the B and D will probably be sent to the C, Q, and Rockaway Park Shuttle lines for the time being.
The B and D might also receive some R160's from the G, and the N and W might get back some R160's from the F and R, at least just the Alstom Sets. The A and C will continue using R179's, with the C using a couple R68/A's. The Q will use mostly R68/A's.
The final 437 cars in the 1612-car order includes 32 cars in 4-car units, which could be potentially be on the J/Z, L, and M routes for expanded fleet needs.
The (E)(F)(G)(R) will NOT get R211s, but the (B) and (D) will
@@railfanner-MaxPlati Technically the E and F will get some of the R211s alongside the B and D. The E and F may get it at the tail end of the order to displace cars to the G route for expansion.
@@TheRailLeaguer Concourse is not getting R211s.
Actually I think the car assignments might be more straightforward. The option order R211’s will go to the B and D lines in order to make them 100% NTT for 6th Avenue CBTC. This displaces their R68 and R68A trains to the N, Q and W lines; I think any leftover option order R211s should also go to the N, Q and W. Of course, the four-car sets in the 2nd option order would be for the J and Z lines and possibly even the M.
From what I heard, the E, F, G and R lines do not need new trains so those lines would keep their R160s, and, as we all probably already know by now, the A and C lines will be receiving the 460 R211’s (440 R211A’s and 20 R211T’s) from the base order of 535 cars (this leaves the 75 R211S’s for the Staten Island Railway), but they would continue to use their R179s.
It was sign as the J when it was at the yard.
Any word on upgrading the tracks? They are incredibly noisy.
Hell yeah baby R211T
Great. Awful smells, bad behavior and fights can spread from one end to the other in just seconds now.
That’s not really so since other cities have shown this to be not an issue.
I wonder how many people will get curve surprise standing in the open gangways. Our trains have no curves anything like those of NYC but people get stuck in the concertina bellows of our trains all the time because they lean on the walls in a curve and it closes up on them. Its easy enough to pull yourself out but its always funny to watch.
I was just wondering about this myself. I’m curious about how the gangway floor works as well.
Remember when I was in Toronto, they had a couple like this th-cam.com/video/e-Hya-cuqlw/w-d-xo.html . i guess over time you get used to it
@@robby062 I haven't seen these but I expect a circle and sliding plates
we've had these trains in Toronto for 10 years
Wow didnt know Canada had r211ts.
@@tropicalsimonthirty2283 Toronto does NOT have R-211Ts. Each transit system has their own system of classifying rolling stock so even if the cars happen to be identical in every way, they would not be called by the same nomenclature.
i think he means the rolling stock that have open gangways for the people who are confused.
@@randyo573 🤓🤓🤓
I wonder if this means that R160 will return to the N line... I miss those trains on the N line.
I feel like these train videos should be recorded using a go pro 360
One downside of open gangway subway trains is that, if a train has a technical problem, workers must remove the entire six-car train from service, instead of separating a pair of cars and replacing them.
Technically that’s literally ALL of the trains right now, and even then in the present they are already taking whole trains out of service.
cool video on the r211t on the l line
The R211TS is not going to the 1 line. Only the BMT and the IND lines. The R262/AS will be for the A devisin iRT lines.
The R262/AS will be on the 1 3 6 S lines for CBTCS real soon to replacing all the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S lines. The R211A/TS is for the B decisions.
9:38
Is that guy playing ‘hide and go seek’?
WOW! They look so dated. Like something from the 1960’s with a little update. New rolling stock that’s expected to be around for a while should be a little more forward looking. External glazed ribbon windows that run through the doors would at least give it a 1990’s vibe
Well much of the design is based off that curved body design first seen on the R44 cars.
Testing is the only way to verify the worthiness of new cars. And make neccesssry fixes before entering revenue service.. Thanks DJ Hammers😀💚🎄
Thanks😀
I'm just a bit of a subway buff, nowhere to the level of you guys, but I enjoy your videos immensely. I just have to say though, " The curve is been successful at the Atlantic Cut!" sounds like a spy password 😛
BTW, what's the dif between a "simple" and "reverse" curve?
A simple curve goes one way, a reverse curve is another name for an 'S' turn
1:45
Those lights sure are blinding! The driver in the opposite direction could crash into the train!
How would they crash into it if they run on seperate tracks?
@@iitrapezoid_8243
I’m just being a smartass. 😜
3:15 R211 (L) Train!!!!!!!!
Do these new trains have regenerative braking? Because that would help keep stations cooler in the summer!
all of the NTTs do, even some SMEE's.
New here...what is the difference between the "T" and "A" cars?...thanks
The R211T's have open gangways between cars. The R211As have conventional end doors on each car.
We dont deserve these new trains ...this is New York people.
You joking, right?
Does that mean all the crazies can storm through the whole train without any obstacles?
No.
I thought this was a four-set
Testing On The A, C, J, L, M and Z lines
If the 20 R211T's Test Trains were successful then the MTA will order More R211T's in the 2nd Option Order
R211T 405 (5-car units) will go to Queens Boulevard for E and F Service from the 2nd Option Order
R211T (4-car units) will go to East New York on the L line to increase capacity and to increase more trains per hour on the L line
It is likely that the L will receive 32 (4-car) R211T's since it can increase more trains per hour on the L and it will increase capacity on the L line while the E and F will receive 405 (5-car) R211T's Since Both the E and F have high Ridership Numbers
After the R46s leave, the oldest ones will be the R68/As and R62/As
There's a weird flickering effect on the text on screen that makes it harder to read. Would it be possible to just have plain white text?
All the Rust and Corrosion on the elevated structures is Scary they need to buy Paint instead of wasting Millions of Dollars on Shiny New Trains
When will the R211Ts test again? It’s been a month
So S bends are called reverse curves. #TodayILearned 🤷♂️
How convenient that the tightest curves in both categories are at the same yard lol. I think about the R train by City Hall often.
I'm amazed the 75-footers can get through _that._
Why are the front line letter/number screens flashing like strobe lights? Is that because they're screens with poor refresh rates that the camera is able to pick up happening?
Glad to see they pass the first test
I love the R211Ts!
same!
The station seen at the beginning of this video is where the Michael Jackson Bad music video was filmed.
I don’t know if there’s going to be in R211 on the Lexington line
No, because the R211s are built for the B Division lines, the Lexington Ave line is in the A Division. A new subway car called the R262 will be built for the A Division and run on Lexington.
Just wait until it curves on the j lines sharpest turn
I’m probably in the minority BUT instead of getting new trains, can we focus on repairing stations? Especially those that looks like they are about to collapse any second. I.E Bowery station
You do realize that new train cars are part of keeping the system in good repair, right? A portion of the 6400-ish car fleet is well over 45 years old and has already went through two overhauls so replacement for these cars are necessary.
There’s many stations that do absolutely need repair and I do think mta should start focusing on the technology side of the signal system .. but what’s a system without the trains ? No trains no station to use so I think going forward with the 211s and 292s is definitely the right thing
The N B Q D is definitely need some r211s in their lives lol or the r211t
The N and Q may not get the R211 cars at all but the B and D may be considered for the Option 1 order of 640 cars.
I Love R211T
Beautiful train
(L)ove the R211T.
I used to live in a 3rd world country and we already had this our system was built on the 70's and these new carts were added on the 2007's why NY does not have that already?
4:58 scrape screechy turn
Glad to see NYC is getting new trains 50 years too late. It wont matter once China takes over in 2030. Just read Albert Brook's book - 2030. You can read all about it there. the American way of politics has failed to proviide the basic infrastructure needs of this country. So there will be new management effective 2030.
good LORD those lights are bright in the dark, i guess that's how bright leds are
i'm guessing the cars passed the curve test?
When and at which line are these going to begin revenue service?
Waaaay to 'modern' looking for me. Why can't they keep the old traditional shells with new gear? They look like an ugly silver centipede. Nothing will ever compare to the kale greens and the red birds.
nice you have 69k subs
For 10 car sets, the open gangway extend throughout all cars or will
There be a split between the 5th and 6th cars?
By the looks on the front of the train, I think it will most likely split. In fact, that is there the conductors located.
5 and 5 sets. These aren't OPTO style trains. They still have a cab for the operators who only do the doors exclusively.
R211t has one middle case and a three person crew is required due to the open gangway and other nyc subway lines have two persons crew,except for the overnight m train,the skittles and the Franklin shuttle,the g train,lefferts blvd shuttle,late night r train shuttle all have opto
@@videonut1988 They certainly CAN be used for OPTO. Just because a C/R will operate the doors exclusively on a 10 car train doesn’t mean the T/O can’t control the doors from the operating cab on a 5 car train.
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 we don't run 3 person crews down here. It will still be a train operator up front, and a conductor in the middle
5:21 squeak
So if someone lights up & starts smoking whatever then everyone will smell it, if someone starts going crazy attacking people or just being vocally annoying then there will no separate car to go to either, whoever designed it clearly does not know life in NYC it doesn't make any sense in my opinion, when I was in Chicago the newer 7000 series models on the blue line had cameras installed at proper level with an LCD screen that showed you the feedback footage of your face and general area along with transit info as soon as you walked, the seating layout was like what you see on W, B, D & 6 trains with nice patterns and sharp crisp led panels with the cars being separated as well as running smoothly.
That’s not really true, and besides, the designers of the subway cars have ridden the NYC Subway and many other systems around the world too,
what about the screeching? will any of that go away?
No. It's a normal occurrence when a train goes through a dense curve. Every train in the NYC Subway does that. It's called a flange squeal
@@Bobby_Duku Even if the system had concrete viaducts it would still make that noise even though concrete viaducts are quieter. As long it is still on a steel track its still going to make that noise.
That’s impossible to eliminate when you have metal grinding on metal… but.. it can be reduced considerably if using flange greasers. The problem is that rain water washes it away and it’s also costly to maintain on every curve. A silicone boot on the rail could be a future option but that won’t last long.
Will it be in service in 2024
My one problem with these is I just wish they had some more color. To make them more friendly and vibrant. But hey this is some great stuff
If the r211 trains are coming in service by spring of next year then why is the MTA taking months to test the train it should be finish testing by now before it enters service