He has hundreds of thousands of subs....I mean I'm sure it helps, but don't act like Asmons attention will somehow change Necrits popularity in a big way.....
Imagine how cool it would be if, for example, you want to be a samurai/blademaster, you would have to go to Ionia and learn those skills, if you want to fight like a spartan warrior, you go to targon and train there and so on.
FFXIV does something similar already where each class/job have their guilds placed in certain city states, and it's all very much ingrained in the lore, so Riot absolutely could do the same for this. Hell, even WoW kinda did this back when weapon skills was a thing, where you could only learn certain weapon skills from certain cities. Like if you were Horde, the only place to learn how to use axes was in Orgrimmar.
What I love most about the Riot MMO is people finally noticing how well developed the runeterra universe and lore is. There is an incredible amount of lore for runeterra that exists but is only accessable once you start searching for it which is tragic since most people don't know it exists, hence they're not searching for it
noone cares about the lore because league is a competitive pvp game not an rpg or mmo. only greasy sweaty nerds go out of their way to go like 🤓uhmm akshually did you know that the lore is so cool and underrated. ye noone cares, its a pvp game. if you want to get invested into lore there are many other better games out there to sink your time in.
@@asmith8190 Well-said, these people would play fortnite and try to live in the lore, it's so cringe because there is countless of games with lore, yet these neckbeards play league and try to attach lore to a game like this, it's just weird.
Hard to care about the lore of a game when they completely deleted like 5 years of lore. Not saying it was necessarily a bad decision but why invest time into learning the lore of a game when they could just delete it all and start over.
I believe classes will be built around the champion types in league of legends. Tank, fighter, mage, support, etc. Maybe you will be able to branch out into something else from the base classes based on your starting region. That would be cool.
@@reyalfa18 pretty sure she is actually more so forgotten and in history seen as the bad sister while people worship Kayle if anything I doubt she has that much influence because if people are seeking a miracle from her it's most likely for evil intentions
For the mythology fans out there, Asmon was right. King Minos was supposed to sacrifice a snow-white bull to Poseidon, but he backed out. Poseidon, being the emotional wreck that most Greek Gods were, felt a fitting punishment was to make Minos's wife "lust after the animal". After a hot and steamy minute, blamo you have a man-eating half bull half man dude that you need to build the world's greatest maze for.
@@mysterious_truth6907 the best thing about that is, yeah Hades kidnapped his wife but he asked for concent to do so from her father, and Zeus went like "you like her? cool bro take her i don't mind" and then he kidnapped her lol
I personally think that a good model would to have the base classes(warrior, ranger, mage, rogue, etc.) and then allow every character to learn different sublclasses through quest lines, like having a mage learning blood magic in Noxus or time magic in Shurima. To distinguish between the different starting areas, allow the different races to have different armor and customization options, tattoos on Bilgewater humans or large beards on Freilordians.
Imagine, Time mages are worse than Blood mages, who are worse than Ice mages but in the same time Ice mages are better than Time mages, etc. That's what riot has to do, but it needs tooooo much work. If they achieve it, they will be "The ALL MMORPG annihilators" not just killers.
Yeah just like how in league you can be a mage tank or a mage assassin for example, just mixing classes together. Like you can pick tank as your main class and then pick up some mage stuff.
@@nickthegreek9781 If they learn from the lessons provided by all their MMO successors....this could be *it*. Gonna quote Kratos though: Keep your expectations low, and you'll never be disappointed.
Eso does faction based mmo’s really well. They don’t hinder gameplay with other players and it really adds to the pvp aspect with all 3 factions fighting for 1 huge zone
There's a MMO system I would love to hear opinions on, as the Riot MMO reminds me of it. In the MMO, players picked a region to start from, and this region influenced their class specialization (i.e. Tempest Thief in Region A vs. Shadow Thief in Region B) The best system I recall from this MMO was how it implemented skills through Skill Books. Skill books could be dropped from monsters, found in chests, and some even given by quests or bought at NPCs stores. Skills were then divided into two categories: Active and Passive. Passive skills were continuous buffs or abilities that applied to your character (like Silent Steps or Uncanny Dodge) and active skills obviously needed to be activated by the player to be triggered. Skills could also have requirements, such as specific class, level needed, or specific subclass (defined by Region you call home) for really unique skills. However, players only had 50 skill slots to equip skills (think 5 WoW hotbars), making it a unique resource management. As a light novel's creation, I know it may not be as perfect as it was portrayed in the story, but I am curious of its plausibility for something completely new I haven't seen in an MMO yet. P.S. For those that are curious: the light novel is "Rebirth of the Thief who Roamed the World"
I'm just ready for a real new MMO, none of these half asses "has MMO mechanics" or shared world games. A game I can genuinely lose real life relationships to.
@@zubhanwc3 we need a true sword art online where we will be trapped in the experience and if we get killed in-game we die irl lol people that hate their own reality would sign up for that hardcore mode and go out doing what they love. Just imagine if a large company greenlit that and then went bankrupt after the CEO commits suicide. What a story.
I do think allowing all races to start in all locations could even work to their benefit. For example, he stats that Vastaya probably won't exist in Demacia, but if you pick a Vastaya in Demacia, maybe your questline revolves around staying hidden and maybe changing the viewpoint of the Demacian's or just escaping etc.
@@GhostMan407 but mages obviously still do exist within demacia otherwise mageseekers would need to be a thing. If your next counter would be that the lore wouldn't allow mages to change the Demacian view of magic, I'd say once the game is released, the lore becomes separate from League of Legends as it becomes a living land with people who think for themselves as apposed to the writers having a say in what happens.
@@TheFoolishnoob I'd have to TOTALLY disagree about the separate lore thing, League already has like 4 different cannons with them being Arcane (which is a spinoff of the league lore meaning it's not canon and was adapted to fit a series), LoR (the card game which has some plot holes and weird cards that don't make sense in the canon lore but is in a weird place because it is and also is not canon, basically canon with a grain of salt) and then you have the Official canon with that being the universe lore and etc and then you have skin lines. So with so many stories already going on at once i wouldn't want the writing team and individual writers getting more confused then they've already been in the past. This gives us much better stories and consistent plot's with fewer loose ends and etc. My point is the MMO should definitely be canon, i can imagine the community or fans of league's universe getting upset once they find out none of it essentially matters, It's already happened with arcane.
While that'd be cool, the bigger issue is you want your starting quest to be the same for either race, class or starting towns(Most do 2 of the 3 together). You can't have a unique race quest line that's also unique to the starting town, because that's a ton of work spread out creating dozens of starting quest lines when most developers will be smart and do 3-6.
I wasn’t excited for a race until he started with Minotaurs. I was mentally yelling “let’s goooo!” In D&D I played a Minotaur barbarian with a gladiator background and shaman roots he didn’t find out about until gaining his freedom. Was, by far, my most favorite character I’ve made.
another thing about minotaurs that could sooth some peoples souls: remember when necrit said they have the annoying "sexual dimorphism trope"? it's true, there are female minotaurs that are petite and small, BUT that's just a small minority, there is canon artwork of a female minotaur that is just as big as the males (maybe even bigger), it's just that the one shown in the video is part of a secret cabal that is attempting to control Noxus from the inside, so you could see why she has a lighter build.
@@Grenan99 I never thought about Thrall when I was playing him, but you sound 100% right lol. I forgot Thrall's beginning was basically that. I tried to forget about Thrall's story after they made him into the green Goku lol.
I feel like they should do a seperate starting zone dependant on classes and origin, then making it easy to reunite later with friends. Like have a class questline where you learn the game and the class, and then at the end you choose your first specialization and get the option to either stay in that region questing or travel to another. For example: You pick the class warrior and origin Freljord. You do your questline and come to the end and pick your specialization, but you want to play with your friend who chose ninja and Ionian origin. Then you get the option to either travel to the Ionian main hub to meet your friend, your friend comes to Freljords main hub or you both travel to somewhere else entierly (with no travel time, or atleast a very short one).
Just gonna put a flipside idea out there: You pick a race, you pick a class, you get your basic starting area lore, you get your basic "this is what your skill does, now use it on this training dummy", then you get a Player vs. NPC battle, then the world is open to you. I think if they follow the way WoW's world works from this point on would be fine. A bit of travel and you're standing next to your friend. Also, NEVER INTRODUCE FLYING, PLEASE! Having the choice between using your "dash" skill to get from location A to location B or save it to escape from a stealth enemy should be a choice that players are allowed to make. Having a "Recall" option to go back to your starter city is fine, but exploring the world should always start from there. Allowing people to change their set home (such as with Hearthstones in WoW) is also fine as it lets people choose where they want to return to.
@@TaIathar So we both kind off said the same thing. Ofc the world should be open after the intro quest(s), but i like it when the game gives you options of starting places (like ESO does nowadays with the portals). I think this makes it easier for newer players aswell to find each other AND not having to worry what place they start in as it is easy to move to another place. However the place you move to after the beginner class questline should be kind of semi-permanent in early game. Like they should make it so if you start in demacia but you want to quest in noxus, you get the option to "betray" them (to make quest and lore out of it) and cost free travel with some mercenaries or something to the noxus capital. But if you want to go back to demacia or travel elsewhere with large travel services then it will cost a fortune compared to early game economy, so choices of travel matter. You can ofc walk there but seeing how large the map is, have fun walking for hours. Based af. No flying mounts. Recall "hearthstone" allowed on cd. Only means of travel should be ground mounts and travel services like airships, boats, horse carrige or similar. Could even be paying for a mage or hextech engineer to open a portal. And large travel services should be restricted between capitals and be instant. But smaller forms of travel like horse carrige or small boats in lakes should not insta teleport you to your destination so you are able to jump of whenever you want. And it should cost enough money where you actually have to plan out your early game economy. "Should i take the airship, or a horse carrige halfway or should i save up for a mount later and just ride over there?"
@@andreigelaga4120 So you want every single person to start in Demacia? Do you know how boring it is for everyone to have the same starting story? "I had to go kill 20 boars" "ME TOO!" "then I had to kill 10 big boars" "ME TOO BRO!" like... what? It's so much more interesting when it's "I had to go kill 20 boars" "Bro I had to kill 20 baby dragons." "wait what? you had to kill a dragon?" "yeah a baby one" "did it breathe fire?" "Idk man I killed it too fast ( OR ) yeah man, that shit hurt" "Damn. That's crazy. What'd you do after?" I mean... damn bro. You must really hate sharing stories with your friends if you just want them to say "me too" all the time. If people can't enjoy the game while spending 20 minutes in-game away from each other, they had no hope of continuing the game to begin with.
@@TaIathar you really wrote a whole ass essay lmao, I'm just stating a fact, you can look up the numerous forum posts of people quitting due to being blocked from playing with their friends from the start. I'm a solo player myself, but they're customers too you know.
I think a good option for the classes is to make it so each "subclass", which Necrit has shown is region based, is unlocked in that region. This way it makes sense to the lore, if you choose starting area you can get that subclass first while playing through and wouldn't need to travel to get your preferred subclass, would allow players to change their subclass in game with it making sense if you've unlocked it, and means for any future DLCs they just need to add the subclass system for that region and player could play as that subclass without having to make a whole new character. The main downside to this is that, when a subclass becomes meta (near 100% likelihood if the subclasses change ANYTHING gameplay-wise and aren't just aesthetic changes), people will start favoring starting in that region when making new classes (i.e. if Noxus warrior's subclass is faster at clearing before max level, almost every warrior alt will start in Noxus. Or if the Ionian mage's subclass gives a movespeed buff, mages will want to pick it up for faster questing travel even if it'd just save a couple minutes of traveling time)
here's my idea for the classes in this game, and i'm not sure if it would be a feasible idea for an MMO of such a scale as Riot's planning, but it's what I feel would be the ideal marriage of game design, lore adherence, connecting back to LoL in a fun way, allowing the players to live out the fantasies they want to, and doing something new and unique. Note that this idea works off the assumption that they will have a more active skill-based combat in the vein of GW2 and Terra rather than classic WoW or FFXIV style tab-targetting, which i feel is a safe assumption to make given what they have said so far, their pedigree, and their aim for mass appeal. Here's the idea: make the classes very basic (probably the actual "classes" of champions in the actual league game: Tank, Fighter, Slayer, Marksman, Mage, Controller, Specialist; there's even proper subclasses you could use as advance classes or different talent trees for each: Tanks can be Vanguard or Wardens, Fighters can be Juggernauts or Divers, Slayers are Skirmishers or Assassins, etc). Make them mostly consist of passives, special modifiers, unique mechanics (ammo management, mana fatigue, berserk rage, stacking buffs, etc) or talent tree kinda things with maybe just a few active signature abilities. Then, make the weapons in the game limited, but completely unique, and its the weapon that dictates most of your active abilities and combat style, and have synergy with certain class(es) - like how in Bloodborne each weapon has a different move set so they're all unique, but they scale better with certain kinds of stat builds and pair well with certain items so you still have recognizable builds and good limitations on the player for balance. So instead of having a dual wielding gunslinger class like Miss Fortune and Lucian and a long range sniping class like Caitlyn, and a bow wielding ranger class like Ashe and Varus, and a cannon-wielding class like Jinx or Tristana, you just have a Marksman class that gives certain bonuses, passive abilities, talents and a couple unique ultimates revolving around fast-firing physical range damage, and then you have one pair of dual guns with a unique playstyle that works well with marksmen, one sniper rifle that has a unique playstyle that also works well with marksmen, one machinegun, one pistol, etc. And maybe the dual pistols work in such a way that they can be effectively used by Marksmen, Assassins, or Divers, in different ways, and you can even have more than one of the same weapon type (but still very few compared to standard MMO gear lists) with different aesthetics or unique signatures - imagine how much more special, unique and cool it would be if there were only, say, 5 whip-type weapons in the entire game, all had unique looks, and the newest raid boss has a chance to drop a brand new 6th whip that has a new look and a unique passive ability.
@@marcog.verbruggen674 that could only work if they did the same damage,if dual vielding pistol for pirates did 100 dmg then a bow for freljordians would have to do the same othervise people would just play the strongest class and it wouldnt be fair for other classes so basicly its just cosmetics
@@Cacany99 have you ever played a videogame?? That's not even remotely close to how game balance works at all. They dont't have to "all do the same damage", some weapons can do low damage but have powerful skills, others can do high damage but be very limited, others can provide mobility or utility at the cost of damage, others can be generally weak compared to everything else but have a damage over time, others can have unique quirks that make them good at specific situations. Flat stat comparison is a miniscule fraction of actual proper game balancing for both the players and the devs. Otherwise, every single team composition in league tournaments would be the exact same
I really hope they do something similar to elite specs in gw2. Make the core classes fun but make the elite specs go wild. Like an engineer can use light to create holographic weapons or a thief which is pretty much an assassin can become a long range sniper or a bo user for a more acrobatic style. I think they nailed it in this section and I really hope riot will come up with a very good and FUN class system.
hopefully they do, because the things riot could do go far beyond the core universe, with the amounts of skins with their own set lore and universe riot could make pretty much anything work, for magical girl weebs they could make an star wardian as a mage sub class and build a portal with a raid or dungeon dedicated to it to unlock it an event, same with for anyone who wants futuristic traits on gunners or wariors using the project universe, or catering to the wardians of the galaxy vibes they could do an odyssey raid and an alternative sub class for the technicians of piltover, or go the other way and do an old wild west inspired sub class of demon hunters for centinels, and so on for almost anything, i mean if riot could made a light novel of the player dating spirits of ionia totally CANON, for the mmo there are no real boundarys and everything can be pulled of, there is high magic, ancient magic, high tecnology, tecnology+magic, time magic and so on, they can realistically make anything work in universe and still be fan-service milking money without any damage to the narrative, heck everything on the mmo could be in the mind of dr.mundo for all we know and still would make sense and we all be ok with it too so riot has free reighn in what to do, and in a sense that makes it hard because there is TOO MUCH to pick and choose, necrit didn't even explained nor mentioned 3/4 of what classes and/or sub classes there could be
@@suruthebeast4065 Ragnarok Online tiered class system for example. If we go by a non-FFXIV example. A Rogue plays significantly different from an Assassin despite sharing a common origin job. GW2 rigid weapon skill system doesn't allow for that.
if u think that is strange. . . . rumbles flame thrower freezes you with that one freezing ap iteam smething something Ralys ore something, i can never get the name right
I think FFXIV did a really good job in regards to starting zones. Tying regions to classes made it so that if you wanted to start as whatever class you really really like, you wouldn't be able to just start in the most "efficient" leveling area, and ultimately it wouldn't matter anyways as you level up.
A good job? I tried to play with my friends and they dropped the game because we all started in separate regions and we couldn't play together until level 20 or so, then they got bored.
@@DarthAlliance If your friends didn't have enough patience to play up to level 15 to play with each other, that sounds like a problem with your friends. Shit dude, they couldn't handle not being able to play together at level 1 so bad that they quit? Idk man, MMOs might not be the type of game for your friend group.
While i can see the point that player convenience is a driving factor for an MMO and it can make or break the player experience, i strongly disagree with the notion that we should completely disregard the chance to explore a world-building narrative that could emerge from a race originating from a specific place. I think from the perspective of someone who approaches the game like you do, narrative has little value, but for many people narrative can be very important and you cant just toss it aside. I would go a step further and argue that the player's point of view of a region specific or isolated race like the Ixtal people, is extremely beneficial in terms of game design for handling new players, who need to practice their tricks in a somewhat contained and controlled environment and then branch out to the wider world and learn about it together with their character. I think its unfair to approach new games with lore that has been under development for over a decade in the same cynical way as when replaying a 18 year old re-released game that has been already explored to death.
Just as I commented on Necrit's video, Riot's MMO should follow the ff14/Runescape style of lvling, where you have all of these diversity in styles and classes, that you might as well give your players the freedom to try them all out and mix and match.
Riot should just use them as references in ffxiv, guild wars 2 and wow, they already have a foundation and they just need to distribute the job or class or spec
Please don't use the word diversity it releases feelings of terror and oppression in people. Then again, you say what you want but man that word has been usurped and raped over and over just leave it be.
@@SapiaNt0mata League of Legends isn't a MMO. Valorant is completely different than League. TFT is probably the best example of "classes" they could create.
I'd think that Origions should all give very close to the same benefit. But Give the benefit at different times. Like for example, making the winder region's class get their benefit at a different part of the level progression or story progression then say the Demacian class.
A step up from runescape would be to Level up Skills where certain combinations of skills at the right levels would unlock class perks would be the ideal.
I love how league factions are all moraly grey, Demacia looks like the typical good guys with honor and bravery and yet they commit genocide on mages. Noxians are the typical warmongering brutes that wage endless wars and yet they are a meritocracy, u can be born a street urchin and if u have the skills u can rise up to the ranks of generals. Ionians are about peace, balance and harmony, yet they have some of the deadliest assasins and killers (Kayn, Zed, Jhin). Noone in Runeterra is the good guy, noone is the bad guy (except Teemo, he the devil).
Yeah, that applies even to their cosmology. For example, abyss isn't just a bad all consuming force, but a realm with creatures who suffered because of life. And gods who people are worshiping in league aren't good guys either, they trapped A Sol after all.
There is a TRUE bad guy though. The Void. This realm seeks only to destroy and consume nothing more. There is not 'oh they're doing it because X or Y' it's because they want to destroy and consume it's their nature. Still is more morally grey because it's not like they are targetting anything in specific they are just nondiscriminatory in their consumption of everything but the simple fact of the matter is the Void as an entity and a realm is a parasite bend on the destruction of everything. It can be harnessed and used for good, in the example of Kai'sa but she's the odd man out most void beings are mindless, hungry, or pure evil. (Kogmaw, Chogath, and Belveth respectfully)
The base classes will probably be what they're labeled as when you're searching for a champ to play: Fighter, Mage, Ranged, Support, Tank, maybe even assassin.
probably but I will play the same class I play in lol, a ranged sewer rat with a chemtech powered crossbow. I just hope there will be a playable race which looks like a rat
The best way to make it work for the classes is to group all the lore classes in categories like warriors, rogues etc. and write things like "Paladin, like the Damacian paladins and the Solari". Maybe they can make visual effects for the abilities different for every origin
I hope that Riot makes it so, each region/faction in the game, is one of your first choices when making a character. And have your character have different cosmetic choices in things such as ears, facial features, basic clothing and dialogue. Atleast then each character you make feels unique and has a story to tell.
Something they could do since there is soo much possibilities and classes is to also make the regions be important in a unique way , you start as a basic class in a basic region and while you play you expend and learn new knowledge for each region. no need for too much of a bonus and downside , with time you Focus or channel a class of you desire, exemple: you start as a basic ranger in freljord , without ice powers or anything, but at some point you can became a ice ranger or you could migrate to Shurima and became a sand ranger , even though your starting region is Freljorn, after some point you can choose a class specialization and start using a rifle with ice instead of a ice bow . Or you could start as a Demacian warrior but them go to monte Targon and learn about the aspect of the war and start using "War magic" them go back to your home region in the oppose side and finish with a Noxus class becoming a bloodmage with war like power wielding a demacian blade of Petricite steel. This would be fantastic because if you are just roleplaying you could make a wild character but if you want min-max you could try to go full Demacia or Noxus and have a Unique class for when you build a character in a unique location. or have wild a Vastia tank from noxus with anti-magic demacian armor while using sand magic from Shurima. Making that would be the hardest one but also would make the most interesting gameplay. Roleplayer like myself would try to make a interesting character while meta player would try to find the most effective combinations while some people would have 1 character and try to collect one of each armor from every region or boss, a explorer could try to find each cave and hidden place to see if them can find a hidden clan to pick up a special class or aspect to be exclusive. You could make that every player and race could access almost every place but make that to be for exemple a Mage hunter you don't need to be from Demacia but need a demacian class while having no mage class. so you could make a human from Shurima that learn warrior class in Demacia , tank in Noxus and them became a mage hunter and finish as pirate in bingewater. So instead of having A race and a class you build your character up while exploring , so you could be 5 class for each character but classes can be combine or exclusive, A classic exemple would be to became a warrior/tank , at this point you could go wild and keep picking up classes or you could became a paladin or bruiser. that means you could have a thousand possible classes without locking people in places and also would be hard for them to find the Meta builds and even if they find and you see a core of players doing the same class combination you could make a small adjustment like they do in league and fix the broken thing instead of reworking a whole Unique Class
@@KnightsTempura you're in copium that is funny you're thinking that way.. you're probably a riot haters since riot is filling up trash genre dev making. Riot wouldn't make Valorant if CSGO wasn't a trash game. Your MMO trash genre is so trash riot is force to make MMO great again... Lol.
I'd love to see an MMO where players unlocking new features, classes, races, hunting grounds, professions, mounts, items, etc. by doing a community challenges, winning world change events, paying tribute to the "Gods", etc... and that would have to be done on each server... And then Inter server wars just to unlock more features for the winners... Something like that would be mint and would really drive people to work hard.
Asherons call did basically this, it had tons of community quests that shaped the world based on the outcome, too bad wow killed it by just burying it with adverts
I hope there will be specific quests tied to your class progression, kinda like how FFXIV does it. Having to build up a friendship while becoming a warrior in the Noxian army and then having to kill said friend to graduate would be a pretty cool, but dark, story.
i think the idea of them starting with 4 classes that are wide and full and sub classes to start would be good. Warrior, Some form of mage, support and some form of melee/ranged attacker.
now that is actually a good idea. it could form a ton of hybrids but not a lot that overwhelms the game production. like for example a ranger that uses a relic that can kill an undead will be the sentinels of light. a freljordian warrior that starts to worship the iron boar becomes a berserker. probably even a fighter that worships the volibear becomes an ursine. an assassin that died by a quest and gets rewarded to live again can be revenants. there could be a lot more classes by doing quests and by having only 4 starting classes, they could have the freedom to just use an extension to extend and extend the classes available.
I really like the idea of specialization in classes. Like you can start off with Soldier --> Warrior / Magic Warrior --> Swordmaster / Arcane WeaponMaster (you "summon" /create your blades).
I wouldn't be surprised if the devs are watching for some inspiration. Necrit is essentially the Lore Master of all things League of Legends. He is one of the most prolific voices in the community if you want to know lore about Runeterra to an extent that they have actually made some things based on his word in the past.
I'd like the idea of pick a class then have sub classes to branch into. A few different sub classes at each level break at level 20 and level 40 assuming level cap will be 50 or 60 on launch.
Ok but imagine if you could be like a base warriror and at a certain point you unlock or find something or someone to unlock a quest that's leads you to a variation of a class and you can change between those specs freely without having to create a new character Like Warrior>level40 warrior> demacia quest into justice paladin Already justice paladin> does the quest in Ionia unlocks wuju> unlocks blade master spec Can change between those 2 in the "level up" menu without resetting level or doing another warrior and if there's more you can keep discovering and changing Same for equipment you can find different equipment in different zones without limiting them by region or origin even if they have same stats or just transmog them
What he's suggesting is basically how Everquest was designed. You picked a city and race, and your aligned with that city and most others hated you. Plus other stuff, but I always liked it better than One side or the other. More choices and options, less binary.
@@omarcomming722 I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Why does there being more factions/options to choose from for anything mean that each choice will have less of an identity?
@@MooseCastle Long-term MMO social sturcutres do depend on a finite structure. In WoW I did want more than two sides. They went too soft with the Horde and I was hoping early on they were going to add the Scourge at some point. Playable Naga or Nerubians / etc would've been nice. They decided to expand their factions rather than add a new faction though. It may be a different style in the end though but having a global conflict between two sides is a pretty fun idea. Easier to balance as well. I hated how easy it was to balance in some ways. WoW - Orcs and Trolls shared a capitol city. Gnomes and Dwarves. Only elves and cows could be druids / etc. If you have more than two factions balancing becomes far more difficult. However, in game design to have ture balance actually requires less interesting mechanics, so the end result of having a more difficult to balance strucutre might be good in the long run.
This game im more hyped for than ashes. simply because i have known riot to make quality games. my expectations are much higher and i expect it to release before ashes as well. i am hyped for both though
Another cool system would be that if you could choose a base class, and then go arround the world essentialy and do quests in each of the regions to unlock different skills and spells, which you could then combine into your very own personal class. That would be really cool.
I feel like pvp could be pretty dope if they had some crazy paladin "hammer of dawn" type magic like the GoW weapon, but it takes basically a whole battle to charge up, and the team has to work together to protect the user, in certain team compositions you might need a heavy staggering unit that can remove physical defenses, or as you said a spellbreaker class that can eliminate protective magics on the opposing side that might want to prevent the pally from charging up. I like the idea of classes having very specific uses that are designed around certain strategies. specs are nice but it's cool when MMOs allow for a broad team building experience. The general healer, tank, dps sometimes feels a bit shallow if you don't have a means of largely varied spells and abilities to tap into. I like the idea of some type of sandbox class builder, obviously balanced so you cant take too many spells or abilities are greatly useful over another unless your team can support you. In this case, the overall PvE experience could allow the player to utilize all skills, while the PvP narrows the ability tree and incorporates team specific abilities to encourage team interaction and support
Out of all the stuff riot's made I hope this one changes the MMO landscape. It's so sad seeing WoW and other MMOs which has essentially lost all the magic it used to have. I recently watched that really long video about the history of MMOs and I was honestly amazed by how people used to game on them. I have been one of the people who have known about WoW for so long but didn't want to "ruin" my life by playing it. But honestly I wish I could enjoy a game like that the way Asmon and others did. Starting now just seems like a bad idea and a time sink I wouldn't enjoy by the end of it. Hope this game is awesome and everything everyone wants out of it.
What do you mean lost the magic? You've just outgrown video games as a whole. GW2 is still the same. WoW is still the same mechanically speaking. FFXIV is still the same. ESO is still the same.
starting WoW now isn't as bad as Asmon and every other big name makes it seem. plenty of people still just started playing WoW within the year. Asmon and others just don't want to admit that playing the same game for 15+ years with little to no breaks has left them jaded and longing for that nostalgia boner
@@Nico78Not FF14 is only 8 years old I thought (not counting the destroyed game, since that was so different they literally got rid of it)? Not brand new but it's not really "old". Same with ESO, though at least in ESO's case the game is quite a bit different to how it was at launch gameplay wise (I jump in roughly once a year, play for a bit, see the changes and then quit after a few weeks). GW2 I only started recently, so I can't say much on that one. WoW though, is entirely different from where it was at launch. When the devs started taking into account people having add-ons as part of the raid experiences, that alone is a sizeable change. People play WoW Classic because it's so different from retail WoW that it's considered a separate game by players and Blizz. I don't think that's the issue in this case, but I agree that some people look at games with too much nostalgia though.
@@sparkyspinz9897 Sorry to hear that, do you have any friends who play? I will admit it is a huge world so it's easy to get turned around in if you have no guidance, but my girlfriend just got the game a couple weeks ago and had a good time levelling from 1-48 with little to no help until she got to the Shadowlands content. Currently if you are on a fresh account after coming out of Exile's Reach you should be around level 10 and it should guide you into the BfA storyline as long as you are following the quests. The game gives you the option to PvP at a low level, but it isn't required. Levelling through dungeons is the path most people decide to take first time around. The thing I will agree WoW could do better is giving a "story" option for levelling that brings you through legacy content one expac at a time, in order, so you get the full story. You can do that yourself, but you will probably need some external guidance if that's the path you are looking to take. I wouldn't mind helping you out if you are still interested in playing.
Oh yeah wow ruined my 12-17 school life but I enjoyed every minute of it I met so many people on wow and I'm still friends today with a few. And I started back in 2005 Wow was definitely far different back then. Wow classic is nothing like the experience people had playing it and the social aspect was far better. People were just more curious and adventurous compared to wow players today.
Seeing how asmon likes these morally grey characters and stories, I honestly think he'll love arcane :) dunno if he'll stream it or upload a reaction video of somekind. I Would love to see his take on it, but if he's not doing that im fine, just wanna hear his thoughts about it
How cool would b if ur rewards for questing were the skills itself. I mean... U go to Noxus, meet vladimir, he give u task to kill someone for him. When u do, he teach u blood magic. That way u would b setted up for exploring the whole map to find all the skills for ur class and learning the rotations on the way. Better than finding pokemons and also making questing much more fullfilling. As long as the quest are different per each class it will never be boring to quest with a new character.
I mean, I would rather prefear if them just set the class and origin but dont make a specific origin-class result... I think is far better if u just pick a class.. Lets say warrior. and start in frejilord as an example... U learn in frejilord some berserks stuff from Olaf or whoever and then u travel to Demacia and u help Garen with a dragon so he want u to join the Vanguard. U follow his questline and after some quests he teaches u some other stuff, making u choose also if u wanna join Vanguard or keep traveling or whatever... At some point, u will have many unique skills from diferent regions for ur class. Some of them can be only pulled off if u are wearing a shield, or a dual axe, or a trinket like Illaoi or a time device as Ekko... So depending wich weapon are u using and the skills u have learned u will have ur quite unique character... I think thats the coolest way to pull it off. Also, would b much more rewarding learning habilities than just earning gold for completing quests.
Classes don't have to be just cosmetic. A Gunslinger could have a core set of abilities and very faint deviances from the core that sets them apart from other Gunslingers. Sentinels could for example not require ammo while a Warden has longer range and slower but stronger attacks, and a different cooldown and one different ability. Your Human could start in Demacia and be a Sentinel as a standard, and when you get to Piltover you could learn how to be a Warden. When you then equip a Warden weapon, you are now a Warden. Kind of like FF14 but classes are more locked and still similar.
@@hueyko The thing is that designing a MMO is much different than just match instance games. MMO's require game designers to not just think of the now but the future. How would players scale from early to late game? How will you balance the economy? How will you reward casual and hardcore players? There is a reason why a majority of MMOs fail. Once you release a bad MMO you cannot go back, the early mistakes of the devs will have a everlasting effect on the game. Riot has a good track record but they have never tackled something on this scale before.
We miss the essence of exploration and the unknown finding something for yourself for the first time and trying to collaborate with others to share information to solve a mystery, a quest that is hard to do alone but can be completed with wit and guts!! And Not just smashing the same skills at keyboard to kill a boss over and over..grinding/farming but more like of an endurance test!!
It can totaly be different "skins" of mirror classes like in warhammer online were a goblin shaman using gork and mork power was actualy doing exactely the same as a high elf archmage weaving between damaging and healing abilities with the exact same spells with different names and skins effects. Alods online did the same too with a tiny class pool reskinned for each race/faction and just changed some details about them. But they can inspire themselve from Rift mechanics too and give everyone a pool of specs to choose that will end doing your actual class when mixed toghether? It may help resulting with the possibility to create some heavy plate mages, some healer bowmans, some tank shooter, some dark magic healing, some light and dark characters, some pet masters, etc... There's a tons a cool stuff to be inspired of and help portray the insane diversity that LoL universe have to offer, and they already have been super creative to build that universe and tell stories about those awesome characters so i'm sure they will find a way to continue to amaze us :)
Riot has six classes; Assassin, fighter, Mage, Marksman, Support, and Tank. Inside of that, I could see them just adding a subclass like Void or something to figure out what skill trees you get access to. Games like D&D and Pathfinder already do this. You could have a Class, Background, and like 6-10 skill trees based around things that background would have access to and a respect option somewhere for later when you'd it up.
I feel like a game can only have factions if there's preexisting and developped lore Wow players could pick factions because Horde / Alliance is a long time thing Star Wars work in a Empire / Republic or a Light / Dark side way. FF14 wouldn't work, because who cares about the starting regions, you don't know them. You DO pick a faction at some point, but it's purely cosmetic and has almost zero impact LOL has a long standing lore, so factions could be a thing, but I'm on the opinion that it's better not to split the playerbase
@@tyty8484 (in my opinion) they don't work anymore because people don't *care* anymore. To work, factions need to have people invested in them equally. And that's freaking hard to do.
I hope they make every race playable and each their own things to do. And each one has their own storyline and you are looked at in towns of your opponents but have each one have their own balancing. Where there no playing with the other races unless the lore allows it. 6 different factions though sounds fun af
I was discussing this with a friend but I firmly believe it's not a race or class issue they face but the skills involved. With all these legends will we be able to build the same and make a character like Viktor in game? So I think it's how extensive the skill trees and system involved are.
@@myst2212I am no expert and have a hard time to make assumptions especially based of so little info, so I would like to ask where you got your estimation from or how you came to that conclusion about 2025?
This sounds pretty much like main class > sub-classes/origins > specializations/talents tree. But it would be much cooler to select your main class and then head for the city where you can train the path you want and that region holds your sub-class/specializations gear as suggested a bit further down.
Have story assigned to region and get rid of classes, spec whatever you want to. It's easier to optimize this for end game, if everyone has same skill tree and everyone can be any class that is needed! Then randomize the perks every week or month, to make it hard for min/maxing people and it's hard and rewarding to find a FOTM build. Then have mechanics in Group Content and PvP, so that makes it required for your team to have healer, tank, a controller and showcases their stuff. Have OG trinity, tank, healer and controller and do away with DPS class. Have ranked arena PvP and ranked world PvP with cool rewards. All those things would make a game more nounced, but at same time more accessible so more people would play it.
Trying to make classes for this will be really interesting, just looking at the possible warriors. Then I was thinking about mage/spell casters. Sand/Earth, Fire, Ice, Lightning, Arcane, Blood, Void, Time, Spirt, Water, and maybe Starcaller? Not including Summoner classes. Even through Starcaller and Time was label support in this video, which I guess make sense too. What Asmongold said about having specs is one answer, you could do like Fire, Ice and Earth or Blood. However, looking at WoW specs can be good, but they can be a horrible nightmare at the same time. I played mage the whole time I played WoW and personally loved Fire for the most part, but at times because of balancing issue or gearing choices it was either the best spec or was the worse. So unless you can make everything balanced as best as balance can be without having it where everyone is going to play only Arcane because if gives the best dps or party utility vs playing like Earth or Frost. I would almost not want specs or at least just don't have talent trees and base dmg off of spells and more simple style gearing verses the way WoW makes you have to spec the best abilities that give the most dps while saying you have choices and then roll on gear because all the stats are the same, but it has Crit instead of Haste. As Crit is your most important stat.
An idea I had was to make everything gear / ability based. Example: you buy a sword, which you can then equip any of a number of sword based abilities on (kind of like Path of Exile's weapons and skill gems). They would also be able to pull a lot of the existing abilities from league for this. At that point, the classes would just be different starting stats / gear, but you could then build your own ability set from there.
you have never witnessed Teemo. Imagine playing against a hunter with an ability that prevents you from attacking, land mines, invisibility, and the most irritating /laugh ever created. there is a reason people hate yordles.
Wtf are you talking about? Hunters have everything you mentioned for Teemo, but better. They are tankier, longer ranged, have a TRUE way to stop opponents from attacking (a stun or freeze or scatter instead of a blind), multiple traps, can get camo and move with it unrestricted, and can have even more annoying laughs depending on the race. I could go on but...
@@virulentskills225 a hunter in wow isn't usually spamming /l in duels, and hunters in PVP that i've seen dont chunk your DPS with shrooms when theyre on the other side of the arena. yes, hunters can freezetrap or knock you back, but teemo can ruin his opponents game without being seen after farming 10 minutes into game. and there are plenty of other yordles that are annoying as well.
Solari (sun worhshippers of targon) Buhru (kraken worshippers of bilgewater) Aspect of Justice (holy worshippers of demacia) Spirit walker (animal worshippers of freljord) Celestial Seers (star worshippers of targon) Monk (dragon worshippers of ionia) These classes all "worship" a greater entity, that they channel and don't create. They all have a focus on defense, but can attack equally. They all have "healing" properties. These could all just be the same class, but with different animations, move names, and special effects (as well as a few origin exclusive spells unique to each object of worship)
A lot of these characters could be rolled under the same class core classes but have unique spell effects or animations based on the flavor of the character even though the base action is the same spell or attack.
Re: Faction-based game modes for MMRitO: I’ve been thinking about this for a while. I think that maybe there’s a way to do both, with PvE content being fully factionless, but with PVP wars and such being partially factioned. Say, you can play mercenary and fuck about picking any faction you want to rep for a skirmish battle or something, but the more you play for a particular faction, you gain ramping benefits, or even high-tier gear drops. Want a Decimator Axe? Merc shit for Noxus. I dunno. I feel like the interworld politics are so interesting, and the war-torn history of the lore so broad, that it would be great to include somehow
1 game i played has a very interesting class system, you can learn any skill and use any weapons. But some skill can only be used by certain weapons. And what weapon you use defines your class. Theres also some skill which can be used by all classes. This gives players to combine skills + weapons to make thier own classes and skills. For example you use equip a sword, sword + shield, sword + sword, sword + magic Device. And what skill you have makes then elemental, magic, cursed or a normal swordsman
I've always been hella curious about this world and its characters. I think I'm gonna love this. I hope you have as much class/build choice as in ESO though.
I think the Riot MMO could learn a LOT from using the classes in some of the earliest seasons of TFT. Figure out those really broad stroke vibes that lots of heroes can fit into. For instance, Brawler, Knight, Guardian, Ranger, Sorcerer, Elementalist Shapeshifter, Blademaster, Assassin, Gunslinger. Then they just layer the flavor on top from there via a spec or "source of power." So like a Gunslinger could be the class, but you could be a Void, Hextech, Pirate, or Sentinel Gunslinger. You can sorta already imagine where the different champs from the game fit into that and then go from there. Supporting all that from the jump is a lot, so if you keep it clamped to maybe 2 specs for each class then it's really easy to layer on additional specs later
for the racial bonuses, I think something like in tera but without passives would be fine, you get a 2hour cd "heal to full life", "restore mp", 10s +15% movement speed, or knock back/stun reduction. and you also get a 1hour cd tp to some relevant to your race town. it's useful, but it doesn't prevent you from playing your class well without, as you can get heal or mp very easily with a potion or from a support class, and they are all fairly balanced, though you might be inclined to take a more position/offensive based skill on an offensive class, and a more defensive one on defensive classes, but you don't have to, as getting a full heal or knockback immunity to continue dps while in an aoe may also be very useful.
Riot: “You can’t just shoe horn in a new race out of the blue, it wouldn’t make sense.” WOW, “So anyway we added Panda’s, rip off discounts of already existing races, Cute-looking fox people despite never previously existing, and now we’re at the EF IT stage of saying, NOW YOU CAN BE* Dragon….like people who turn into humans!”
@@Sephiroso. They didn't have a ton of lore, but they appeared multiple times, first as an april fools joke(joking about them being the 5th playable race), then as a neutral creep, then, a few references and small jokes later, finally as the Brewmaster. Sure, we didn't get a lot of lore on them, but they've been there.
My first MMO is GW2 and I wish some aspects would be present in LOL MMO like the combat and elite specialization. I also like the idea of fractals because it shows you what had happened in the past.
They could lock specs to regions and have a general base class, people would travel between regions and do quests to get to add the region specs to the base class.
I mean usually in mmo your class is always different from what things are actually are which makes you the protagonist of the game and even if its an mmo with many players, you are the only player in the story line. They could just make few special classes like a mage that can learn every magic skills in every region and same to the warriors and assassins which simplifies the classes but at the same time full of combos and abilities. It also makes sense since your character is 100% gonna travel the whole world to complete the quests and expansions Or the could just remove the class system and build whatever you want like skyrim. And another idea is that you are someone from the past or another world. These are generic Ideas of course but I can see them working. There are so many ways to simplify the character making system by just not getting too much attach in the lore, JUST MAKE IT SPECIAL and no one will complain, change my mind
On starting zones: gw2 did this pretty dang well. Multiple early storyline, multiple leveling zones, minimal to no advantage in appreciable zone differences. Some had slightly better layouts for the initial rush to max level, but afterwards you have no real reason to do x storyline or y storyline -- and those who were disadvantaged by like 2% completion time in the race to max wouldn't really see that difference until the race was over.
I always advocated for a treason system in wow so I could move my tauren to alliance and play with friends. Of course blizz wanted to charge a full box game price for that
@@panzer4720 It would create more problems than it would solve with the amount of faction-specific and faction v faction content in the game. We're talking overhauling the main cities and their structures, countless npc's and their dialogues, and many, many quests just wouldn't make sense
@@Desolaytore jokes on you, you've been playing with them for half of the game's life, blizzard just didnt want to go through with crossfaction but now they will
"They don't seem that annoying" The thousands of people having PTSD seeing Teemo sitting in the background with his smug ass grin knowing damn well he is the most loved and hated out of all of LoL
After considering this, I think Riot should make everything class related respeccable, and probably have some kind of regional deity you can choose to worship, but each region has certain class specs, so you could create a character in a particular region knowing exactly the classic kind of character from there, or you could be an Ionian who wants to maybe starts as a warrior, but then travels elsewhere to learn alchemy, or gun tech, or elemental magic. And you should be able to re-spec or learn new skills exclusive to certain trainers, or things like that. rather than picking something you can't change at character creation. Each skill you learn can be listed under their 4 base class types: warrior, jungler, mage, and support, then you can mix and match or focus on one.
Necrit poorly explained the Vastaya, hence the discrepancy with him differentiating between the Minotaurs and the Vastaya. In the old lore the Vastayashai'rei (the ancestors of the Vastaya) were magical animals, however in the new lore the Vastayashai'rei have always been a humanoid race, their magical connection to the spirit realm gave them unique animal traits and nature magic and the Vastaya inherited a diluted version of these features.
also the statement on one of the xayah and rakan stories, that some vastaya can actually choose what animal feature to have and to a degree how to have it too, that gives A LOT of flexibility for the vastaya in the mmo and potentially custom characters with different options based on origin or unlocked regions.
From what I undersood, there IS a difference between them. Vastaya ancestors are MAGIC animal f*ckers, where Minotors (and some others) are just straight up from normal animals
in terms of the class selection why not just make the specialization tied in with the locations. If you select warrior, you start as something vanilla, then when you reach (maybe lvl 10) you have the option to select a warrior specialization by travelling to the relative location. for example, if you want to be a vanguard, create a warrior hit (whatever requirements), travel to demacia, do the demacian specialization quest and become a vanguard warrior
I haven't played Minotaurs until shadowbane, and I have to tell you that it's everything it's cracked up to be. You're big, you're stacked, you swing a big unga bunga axe, things die. Although I'm hoping this mmo will have big guns. The plus of super strong in a civilized context is that instead of swinging an axe, you are a weapons platform. Why run up to your target and hit it when you can just go brrrrrrrrrr
It is always funny that Asmon thinks that everyone thinks like him. Let's say for meta worshipping, yeah it is popular, but not everyone does that. I could never play a class or race that I don't personally like, no matter how powerful. And I've never had any issues clearing content in any game so far.
3:00 You dont understand the pain in Necrit voice😂 he's afraid that riot add sexy races like they added sexy champs for almost 6years thats why he said that
Who would win: Literal celestial god or little yordel with his mushroom mines. Normal people : Celestial god obviously. LOL player : I fear no man... but that thing it scares me.
one of the good things about ESO that they got right (i know its rare), they made it so that every race from every fraction can play in PVE together and when in pvp they can play on which ever fraction they chose.
Asmon literally gold here excellenty displaying how few fucks he has to give. He really got me in the beginning when furries were mentioned and he said 'That's too bad' and then it was stated that it was still playable and he was like 'Oh..'. Zack, the living legend we all got to appreciate the shit out of. Asmongold, the soap opera for nerds that never ends. May you live forever, king
You were actually right the first time about the minotaur, you just didn't have the reason why right. It was Poseidon, he sent a white bull to King Minos who promised to sacrifice the bull. Once seeing the bull, he refused, which angered Poseidon, so he had the king's wife fall in love with it as punishment.
The idea I had to deal with races and starting locations is that you can choose whatever starting location you want, but you can also choose random starting location, and the random starts are biased based on race.
Waaa Waa lets take out fun racial traits because autistic people can't help but min/max everything. Just make them all strong or fun, just like they did with 90% of specs in MoP PVP.
@@Xaelyrion No Idea, but I had 12 characters I played, all geared up thanks to honorbuddy, and loved every spec. Not everything needs to be perfectly balanced. The shitty racials in wow def should be buffed or have something fun added like shadowmeld for races that are lacking.
@@Sephiroso. Not at all. I just said they should all be at least useful or fun. Nobody gives a fuck about a herbalism speed racial like azmon was recommending.
you could have basic classes, then you can have sub classes unlocked by doing specific questlines in each region for each subclass, and then have like the awakened versions for the slightly stronger classes
Nobody mentions ESO with it's "faction" system. Picking a faction just sets your main city, which there are 3, if you want to PVP, you just queue for PVP. In the open world, you can play with anyone regardless of faction. EDIT: ESO's class system as well, where every class can be a damage dealer, tank, or healer, every class has a physical damage or magic damage "spec". So, yes, ESO would make a very good model for the class and race system for World of Runeterra.
Glad Necrit's picking up more attention thanks to Asmon, he's one of the best sources for League lore out there
Seems like a decent human being hope he gets popular
@@xc1951 agree
He has hundreds of thousands of subs....I mean I'm sure it helps, but don't act like Asmons attention will somehow change Necrits popularity in a big way.....
My dude literally got an NPC named after him lol
@@Lueko111 we aren’t acting we just wishing him well
Can we just.. appreciate Necrit's incredible timing with the pee break?
when the first attack was intentional and the second attack was pure coincidence lmao
No, shut up
@@MARTINREN1231 Necrit watches the stream so he knows when he wants to pee
@Rose Amaranth 33:50
@@drewblock1365 that's space balls level of meta
When mordekaiser said “it’s mordin time” and morded all over that really made this video one of the videos on youtube
bro im dy ing
Fuckin lol 😆
bro 💀💀💀
Viego got nothin on him, he got morded too
Then he said "MORDEKAISER ES NUMERO UNO!" I couldn't believe what happened! The move was a movie of all time!
Imagine how cool it would be if, for example, you want to be a samurai/blademaster, you would have to go to Ionia and learn those skills, if you want to fight like a spartan warrior, you go to targon and train there and so on.
That's what I'm thinking
thats really cool
FFXIV does something similar already where each class/job have their guilds placed in certain city states, and it's all very much ingrained in the lore, so Riot absolutely could do the same for this.
Hell, even WoW kinda did this back when weapon skills was a thing, where you could only learn certain weapon skills from certain cities. Like if you were Horde, the only place to learn how to use axes was in Orgrimmar.
that sounds sick, and perhaps there's shops or dungeons that give specific armor/weapon sets in those regions
That would be sick asf
What I love most about the Riot MMO is people finally noticing how well developed the runeterra universe and lore is. There is an incredible amount of lore for runeterra that exists but is only accessable once you start searching for it which is tragic since most people don't know it exists, hence they're not searching for it
noone cares about the lore because league is a competitive pvp game not an rpg or mmo. only greasy sweaty nerds go out of their way to go like 🤓uhmm akshually did you know that the lore is so cool and underrated. ye noone cares, its a pvp game. if you want to get invested into lore there are many other better games out there to sink your time in.
"Ignorance is fatal"
- Zed
@@asmith8190 Well-said, these people would play fortnite and try to live in the lore, it's so cringe because there is countless of games with lore, yet these neckbeards play league and try to attach lore to a game like this, it's just weird.
@@benegmond6584 you seem angry about a competitive game like league has a better developed world than your cult game that nobody gives a shit about
Hard to care about the lore of a game when they completely deleted like 5 years of lore. Not saying it was necessarily a bad decision but why invest time into learning the lore of a game when they could just delete it all and start over.
Considering Morgana is another side of the aspect of justice, a shadow priest like class would make sense
I believe classes will be built around the champion types in league of legends. Tank, fighter, mage, support, etc. Maybe you will be able to branch out into something else from the base classes based on your starting region. That would be cool.
@@Eimucho true it will be interesting if the just name the job or class tank and then the specialisation will be available to what tank is
@@reyalfa18 pretty sure she is actually more so forgotten and in history seen as the bad sister while people worship Kayle if anything I doubt she has that much influence because if people are seeking a miracle from her it's most likely for evil intentions
@@Eimucho well there are subclasses in lol aswell
morgana doesnt want to be a god though.
For the mythology fans out there, Asmon was right. King Minos was supposed to sacrifice a snow-white bull to Poseidon, but he backed out. Poseidon, being the emotional wreck that most Greek Gods were, felt a fitting punishment was to make Minos's wife "lust after the animal". After a hot and steamy minute, blamo you have a man-eating half bull half man dude that you need to build the world's greatest maze for.
the worlds first maze if im not mistaken.
Greeks were down bad
The chatters heard the god wanna fuck a girl and assumed it’s Zues immediately lmao
@@mech0p Greek gods are all weird hades is the best of them and he literally kidnapped his wife so that shows you how low the standard is
@@mysterious_truth6907 the best thing about that is, yeah Hades kidnapped his wife but he asked for concent to do so from her father, and Zeus went like "you like her? cool bro take her i don't mind" and then he kidnapped her lol
I personally think that a good model would to have the base classes(warrior, ranger, mage, rogue, etc.) and then allow every character to learn different sublclasses through quest lines, like having a mage learning blood magic in Noxus or time magic in Shurima. To distinguish between the different starting areas, allow the different races to have different armor and customization options, tattoos on Bilgewater humans or large beards on Freilordians.
Imagine, Time mages are worse than Blood mages, who are worse than Ice mages but in the same time Ice mages are better than Time mages, etc. That's what riot has to do, but it needs tooooo much work. If they achieve it, they will be "The ALL MMORPG annihilators" not just killers.
Yeah just like how in league you can be a mage tank or a mage assassin for example, just mixing classes together.
Like you can pick tank as your main class and then pick up some mage stuff.
@@nickthegreek9781 I like time mage.
@@thelordofthelostbraincells that's ornn bro, the mage assassin bruiser tank initiator
@@nickthegreek9781 If they learn from the lessons provided by all their MMO successors....this could be *it*.
Gonna quote Kratos though: Keep your expectations low, and you'll never be disappointed.
Eso does faction based mmo’s really well. They don’t hinder gameplay with other players and it really adds to the pvp aspect with all 3 factions fighting for 1 huge zone
@@davidnone8951 fr bro. I just couldn’t find interest in the game knowing how the combat is.
There's a MMO system I would love to hear opinions on, as the Riot MMO reminds me of it.
In the MMO, players picked a region to start from, and this region influenced their class specialization (i.e. Tempest Thief in Region A vs. Shadow Thief in Region B) The best system I recall from this MMO was how it implemented skills through Skill Books.
Skill books could be dropped from monsters, found in chests, and some even given by quests or bought at NPCs stores. Skills were then divided into two categories: Active and Passive. Passive skills were continuous buffs or abilities that applied to your character (like Silent Steps or Uncanny Dodge) and active skills obviously needed to be activated by the player to be triggered.
Skills could also have requirements, such as specific class, level needed, or specific subclass (defined by Region you call home) for really unique skills.
However, players only had 50 skill slots to equip skills (think 5 WoW hotbars), making it a unique resource management.
As a light novel's creation, I know it may not be as perfect as it was portrayed in the story, but I am curious of its plausibility for something completely new I haven't seen in an MMO yet.
P.S. For those that are curious: the light novel is "Rebirth of the Thief who Roamed the World"
I'm just ready for a real new MMO, none of these half asses "has MMO mechanics" or shared world games. A game I can genuinely lose real life relationships to.
i dont think we'll have an experience like that till vr develops enough, allowing for us to become a lot more... immersed
@@zubhanwc3 we need a true sword art online where we will be trapped in the experience and if we get killed in-game we die irl lol people that hate their own reality would sign up for that hardcore mode and go out doing what they love. Just imagine if a large company greenlit that and then went bankrupt after the CEO commits suicide. What a story.
play dofus :)
@@zombie_dinosaur96 Don't be that guy, I play FFXIV like a 2nd religion. It's not the savior to games and it doesn't suit everyone.
Those are the best ones
I do think allowing all races to start in all locations could even work to their benefit. For example, he stats that Vastaya probably won't exist in Demacia, but if you pick a Vastaya in Demacia, maybe your questline revolves around staying hidden and maybe changing the viewpoint of the Demacian's or just escaping etc.
@@GhostMan407 but mages obviously still do exist within demacia otherwise mageseekers would need to be a thing. If your next counter would be that the lore wouldn't allow mages to change the Demacian view of magic, I'd say once the game is released, the lore becomes separate from League of Legends as it becomes a living land with people who think for themselves as apposed to the writers having a say in what happens.
@@TheFoolishnoob I'd have to TOTALLY disagree about the separate lore thing, League already has like 4 different cannons with them being Arcane (which is a spinoff of the league lore meaning it's not canon and was adapted to fit a series), LoR (the card game which has some plot holes and weird cards that don't make sense in the canon lore but is in a weird place because it is and also is not canon, basically canon with a grain of salt) and then you have the Official canon with that being the universe lore and etc and then you have skin lines. So with so many stories already going on at once i wouldn't want the writing team and individual writers getting more confused then they've already been in the past. This gives us much better stories and consistent plot's with fewer loose ends and etc. My point is the MMO should definitely be canon, i can imagine the community or fans of league's universe getting upset once they find out none of it essentially matters, It's already happened with arcane.
While that'd be cool, the bigger issue is you want your starting quest to be the same for either race, class or starting towns(Most do 2 of the 3 together). You can't have a unique race quest line that's also unique to the starting town, because that's a ton of work spread out creating dozens of starting quest lines when most developers will be smart and do 3-6.
@@note4note804 could be what sets them out from the rest
@@rowmein arcane probably will become canon
I wasn’t excited for a race until he started with Minotaurs. I was mentally yelling “let’s goooo!” In D&D I played a Minotaur barbarian with a gladiator background and shaman roots he didn’t find out about until gaining his freedom. Was, by far, my most favorite character I’ve made.
another thing about minotaurs that could sooth some peoples souls: remember when necrit said they have the annoying "sexual dimorphism trope"? it's true, there are female minotaurs that are petite and small, BUT that's just a small minority, there is canon artwork of a female minotaur that is just as big as the males (maybe even bigger), it's just that the one shown in the video is part of a secret cabal that is attempting to control Noxus from the inside, so you could see why she has a lighter build.
That sounds like "If Thrall was a tauren" - definitely still a cool character ^^
Whats crazy about this is absolutely nobody asked at all about the unnecessary backround check.
@@Grenan99 I never thought about Thrall when I was playing him, but you sound 100% right lol. I forgot Thrall's beginning was basically that. I tried to forget about Thrall's story after they made him into the green Goku lol.
@@agiagitator6476 You cared enough to reply lol. Hope your day gets better.
I feel like they should do a seperate starting zone dependant on classes and origin, then making it easy to reunite later with friends. Like have a class questline where you learn the game and the class, and then at the end you choose your first specialization and get the option to either stay in that region questing or travel to another. For example: You pick the class warrior and origin Freljord. You do your questline and come to the end and pick your specialization, but you want to play with your friend who chose ninja and Ionian origin. Then you get the option to either travel to the Ionian main hub to meet your friend, your friend comes to Freljords main hub or you both travel to somewhere else entierly (with no travel time, or atleast a very short one).
Just gonna put a flipside idea out there: You pick a race, you pick a class, you get your basic starting area lore, you get your basic "this is what your skill does, now use it on this training dummy", then you get a Player vs. NPC battle, then the world is open to you. I think if they follow the way WoW's world works from this point on would be fine. A bit of travel and you're standing next to your friend. Also, NEVER INTRODUCE FLYING, PLEASE! Having the choice between using your "dash" skill to get from location A to location B or save it to escape from a stealth enemy should be a choice that players are allowed to make. Having a "Recall" option to go back to your starter city is fine, but exploring the world should always start from there. Allowing people to change their set home (such as with Hearthstones in WoW) is also fine as it lets people choose where they want to return to.
@@TaIathar So we both kind off said the same thing. Ofc the world should be open after the intro quest(s), but i like it when the game gives you options of starting places (like ESO does nowadays with the portals). I think this makes it easier for newer players aswell to find each other AND not having to worry what place they start in as it is easy to move to another place. However the place you move to after the beginner class questline should be kind of semi-permanent in early game. Like they should make it so if you start in demacia but you want to quest in noxus, you get the option to "betray" them (to make quest and lore out of it) and cost free travel with some mercenaries or something to the noxus capital. But if you want to go back to demacia or travel elsewhere with large travel services then it will cost a fortune compared to early game economy, so choices of travel matter. You can ofc walk there but seeing how large the map is, have fun walking for hours.
Based af. No flying mounts. Recall "hearthstone" allowed on cd. Only means of travel should be ground mounts and travel services like airships, boats, horse carrige or similar. Could even be paying for a mage or hextech engineer to open a portal. And large travel services should be restricted between capitals and be instant. But smaller forms of travel like horse carrige or small boats in lakes should not insta teleport you to your destination so you are able to jump of whenever you want. And it should cost enough money where you actually have to plan out your early game economy. "Should i take the airship, or a horse carrige halfway or should i save up for a mount later and just ride over there?"
Please don't, a lot of players quit MMOs that do that lol
@@andreigelaga4120 So you want every single person to start in Demacia? Do you know how boring it is for everyone to have the same starting story? "I had to go kill 20 boars" "ME TOO!" "then I had to kill 10 big boars" "ME TOO BRO!" like... what? It's so much more interesting when it's "I had to go kill 20 boars" "Bro I had to kill 20 baby dragons." "wait what? you had to kill a dragon?" "yeah a baby one" "did it breathe fire?" "Idk man I killed it too fast ( OR ) yeah man, that shit hurt" "Damn. That's crazy. What'd you do after?" I mean... damn bro. You must really hate sharing stories with your friends if you just want them to say "me too" all the time. If people can't enjoy the game while spending 20 minutes in-game away from each other, they had no hope of continuing the game to begin with.
@@TaIathar you really wrote a whole ass essay lmao, I'm just stating a fact, you can look up the numerous forum posts of people quitting due to being blocked from playing with their friends from the start. I'm a solo player myself, but they're customers too you know.
I think a good option for the classes is to make it so each "subclass", which Necrit has shown is region based, is unlocked in that region. This way it makes sense to the lore, if you choose starting area you can get that subclass first while playing through and wouldn't need to travel to get your preferred subclass, would allow players to change their subclass in game with it making sense if you've unlocked it, and means for any future DLCs they just need to add the subclass system for that region and player could play as that subclass without having to make a whole new character. The main downside to this is that, when a subclass becomes meta (near 100% likelihood if the subclasses change ANYTHING gameplay-wise and aren't just aesthetic changes), people will start favoring starting in that region when making new classes (i.e. if Noxus warrior's subclass is faster at clearing before max level, almost every warrior alt will start in Noxus. Or if the Ionian mage's subclass gives a movespeed buff, mages will want to pick it up for faster questing travel even if it'd just save a couple minutes of traveling time)
here's my idea for the classes in this game, and i'm not sure if it would be a feasible idea for an MMO of such a scale as Riot's planning, but it's what I feel would be the ideal marriage of game design, lore adherence, connecting back to LoL in a fun way, allowing the players to live out the fantasies they want to, and doing something new and unique. Note that this idea works off the assumption that they will have a more active skill-based combat in the vein of GW2 and Terra rather than classic WoW or FFXIV style tab-targetting, which i feel is a safe assumption to make given what they have said so far, their pedigree, and their aim for mass appeal. Here's the idea:
make the classes very basic (probably the actual "classes" of champions in the actual league game: Tank, Fighter, Slayer, Marksman, Mage, Controller, Specialist; there's even proper subclasses you could use as advance classes or different talent trees for each: Tanks can be Vanguard or Wardens, Fighters can be Juggernauts or Divers, Slayers are Skirmishers or Assassins, etc). Make them mostly consist of passives, special modifiers, unique mechanics (ammo management, mana fatigue, berserk rage, stacking buffs, etc) or talent tree kinda things with maybe just a few active signature abilities.
Then, make the weapons in the game limited, but completely unique, and its the weapon that dictates most of your active abilities and combat style, and have synergy with certain class(es) - like how in Bloodborne each weapon has a different move set so they're all unique, but they scale better with certain kinds of stat builds and pair well with certain items so you still have recognizable builds and good limitations on the player for balance.
So instead of having a dual wielding gunslinger class like Miss Fortune and Lucian and a long range sniping class like Caitlyn, and a bow wielding ranger class like Ashe and Varus, and a cannon-wielding class like Jinx or Tristana, you just have a Marksman class that gives certain bonuses, passive abilities, talents and a couple unique ultimates revolving around fast-firing physical range damage, and then you have one pair of dual guns with a unique playstyle that works well with marksmen, one sniper rifle that has a unique playstyle that also works well with marksmen, one machinegun, one pistol, etc.
And maybe the dual pistols work in such a way that they can be effectively used by Marksmen, Assassins, or Divers, in different ways, and you can even have more than one of the same weapon type (but still very few compared to standard MMO gear lists) with different aesthetics or unique signatures - imagine how much more special, unique and cool it would be if there were only, say, 5 whip-type weapons in the entire game, all had unique looks, and the newest raid boss has a chance to drop a brand new 6th whip that has a new look and a unique passive ability.
@@marcog.verbruggen674 I actually love this idea, idk how feasible it is but if this is how it is I'd be happy
It would be stupid if a warrior from demacia would be stronger than a warrior from noxus it should be just cosmetics they are the same class afterall
@@marcog.verbruggen674 that could only work if they did the same damage,if dual vielding pistol for pirates did 100 dmg then a bow for freljordians would have to do the same othervise people would just play the strongest class and it wouldnt be fair for other classes so basicly its just cosmetics
@@Cacany99 have you ever played a videogame?? That's not even remotely close to how game balance works at all. They dont't have to "all do the same damage", some weapons can do low damage but have powerful skills, others can do high damage but be very limited, others can provide mobility or utility at the cost of damage, others can be generally weak compared to everything else but have a damage over time, others can have unique quirks that make them good at specific situations. Flat stat comparison is a miniscule fraction of actual proper game balancing for both the players and the devs. Otherwise, every single team composition in league tournaments would be the exact same
I really hope they do something similar to elite specs in gw2. Make the core classes fun but make the elite specs go wild. Like an engineer can use light to create holographic weapons or a thief which is pretty much an assassin can become a long range sniper or a bo user for a more acrobatic style. I think they nailed it in this section and I really hope riot will come up with a very good and FUN class system.
Considering lore of runeterra this would fit very well.
But GW2s class system is hot garbage.
@@_Diktator What pray tell would be a good class system then?
hopefully they do, because the things riot could do go far beyond the core universe, with the amounts of skins with their own set lore and universe riot could make pretty much anything work, for magical girl weebs they could make an star wardian as a mage sub class and build a portal with a raid or dungeon dedicated to it to unlock it an event, same with for anyone who wants futuristic traits on gunners or wariors using the project universe, or catering to the wardians of the galaxy vibes they could do an odyssey raid and an alternative sub class for the technicians of piltover, or go the other way and do an old wild west inspired sub class of demon hunters for centinels, and so on for almost anything, i mean if riot could made a light novel of the player dating spirits of ionia totally CANON, for the mmo there are no real boundarys and everything can be pulled of, there is high magic, ancient magic, high tecnology, tecnology+magic, time magic and so on, they can realistically make anything work in universe and still be fan-service milking money without any damage to the narrative, heck everything on the mmo could be in the mind of dr.mundo for all we know and still would make sense and we all be ok with it too so riot has free reighn in what to do, and in a sense that makes it hard because there is TOO MUCH to pick and choose, necrit didn't even explained nor mentioned 3/4 of what classes and/or sub classes there could be
@@suruthebeast4065 Ragnarok Online tiered class system for example. If we go by a non-FFXIV example. A Rogue plays significantly different from an Assassin despite sharing a common origin job. GW2 rigid weapon skill system doesn't allow for that.
"You want $1000 or $1005"
Well raiding requirements are $1004 so... thats the life of an MMO
So wait a second, if you kill an enemy Kayle with Garren's ult, it's Kayle basically killing herself? Lmao
Maybe thats why kayle counters garen so hard :o, she shouldnt be killing herself
if youre looking for a werious answer, it's more like kayle answering garen's prayers
if u think that is strange. . . . rumbles flame thrower freezes you with that one freezing ap iteam smething something Ralys ore something, i can never get the name right
Killing a Brand with ignite....ha!
I think FFXIV did a really good job in regards to starting zones. Tying regions to classes made it so that if you wanted to start as whatever class you really really like, you wouldn't be able to just start in the most "efficient" leveling area, and ultimately it wouldn't matter anyways as you level up.
A good job?
I tried to play with my friends and they dropped the game because we all started in separate regions and we couldn't play together until level 20 or so, then they got bored.
@@DarthAlliance If your friends didn't have enough patience to play up to level 15 to play with each other, that sounds like a problem with your friends. Shit dude, they couldn't handle not being able to play together at level 1 so bad that they quit? Idk man, MMOs might not be the type of game for your friend group.
While i can see the point that player convenience is a driving factor for an MMO and it can make or break the player experience, i strongly disagree with the notion that we should completely disregard the chance to explore a world-building narrative that could emerge from a race originating from a specific place. I think from the perspective of someone who approaches the game like you do, narrative has little value, but for many people narrative can be very important and you cant just toss it aside.
I would go a step further and argue that the player's point of view of a region specific or isolated race like the Ixtal people, is extremely beneficial in terms of game design for handling new players, who need to practice their tricks in a somewhat contained and controlled environment and then branch out to the wider world and learn about it together with their character.
I think its unfair to approach new games with lore that has been under development for over a decade in the same cynical way as when replaying a 18 year old re-released game that has been already explored to death.
Just as I commented on Necrit's video, Riot's MMO should follow the ff14/Runescape style of lvling, where you have all of these diversity in styles and classes, that you might as well give your players the freedom to try them all out and mix and match.
Riot should just use them as references in ffxiv, guild wars 2 and wow, they already have a foundation and they just need to distribute the job or class or spec
Please don't use the word diversity it releases feelings of terror and oppression in people. Then again, you say what you want but man that word has been usurped and raped over and over just leave it be.
@@SapiaNt0mata League of Legends isn't a MMO. Valorant is completely different than League. TFT is probably the best example of "classes" they could create.
I'd think that Origions should all give very close to the same benefit. But Give the benefit at different times. Like for example, making the winder region's class get their benefit at a different part of the level progression or story progression then say the Demacian class.
A step up from runescape would be to Level up Skills where certain combinations of skills at the right levels would unlock class perks would be the ideal.
I love how league factions are all moraly grey, Demacia looks like the typical good guys with honor and bravery and yet they commit genocide on mages. Noxians are the typical warmongering brutes that wage endless wars and yet they are a meritocracy, u can be born a street urchin and if u have the skills u can rise up to the ranks of generals. Ionians are about peace, balance and harmony, yet they have some of the deadliest assasins and killers (Kayn, Zed, Jhin). Noone in Runeterra is the good guy, noone is the bad guy (except Teemo, he the devil).
Yeah, that applies even to their cosmology. For example, abyss isn't just a bad all consuming force, but a realm with creatures who suffered because of life. And gods who people are worshiping in league aren't good guys either, they trapped A Sol after all.
There is a TRUE bad guy though. The Void. This realm seeks only to destroy and consume nothing more. There is not 'oh they're doing it because X or Y' it's because they want to destroy and consume it's their nature. Still is more morally grey because it's not like they are targetting anything in specific they are just nondiscriminatory in their consumption of everything but the simple fact of the matter is the Void as an entity and a realm is a parasite bend on the destruction of everything. It can be harnessed and used for good, in the example of Kai'sa but she's the odd man out most void beings are mindless, hungry, or pure evil. (Kogmaw, Chogath, and Belveth respectfully)
Lore teemo is like bandle city secret weapon. When he is in a battlefield, "something" gets into him, like it's a different being altogether.
Demons, Voidkin, Darkin and (arguably) Watchers are all pretty super evil.
@@frustratedsquirrel ofc u have evil in the things u mentioned but none of those would be playable factions or races
The base classes will probably be what they're labeled as when you're searching for a champ to play: Fighter, Mage, Ranged, Support, Tank, maybe even assassin.
There better be assassin lol
probably but I will play the same class I play in lol, a ranged sewer rat with a chemtech powered crossbow. I just hope there will be a playable race which looks like a rat
@@Alma-bs7un ""The only thing the sun's good for, is what it does to milk."
@@Purriah he's just a big stinking rat with higher intellect than the average rat. (Although that isn't a high bar to pass)
@@Purriah Mutant rat, not Vastayan ("furry" people) afaik.
The best way to make it work for the classes is to group all the lore classes in categories like warriors, rogues etc. and write things like "Paladin, like the Damacian paladins and the Solari". Maybe they can make visual effects for the abilities different for every origin
I hope that Riot makes it so, each region/faction in the game, is one of your first choices when making a character. And have your character have different cosmetic choices in things such as ears, facial features, basic clothing and dialogue. Atleast then each character you make feels unique and has a story to tell.
Something they could do since there is soo much possibilities and classes is to also make the regions be important in a unique way , you start as a basic class in a basic region and while you play you expend and learn new knowledge for each region. no need for too much of a bonus and downside , with time you Focus or channel a class of you desire, exemple: you start as a basic ranger in freljord , without ice powers or anything, but at some point you can became a ice ranger or you could migrate to Shurima and became a sand ranger , even though your starting region is Freljorn, after some point you can choose a class specialization and start using a rifle with ice instead of a ice bow .
Or you could start as a Demacian warrior but them go to monte Targon and learn about the aspect of the war and start using "War magic" them go back to your home region in the oppose side and finish with a Noxus class becoming a bloodmage with war like power wielding a demacian blade of Petricite steel.
This would be fantastic because if you are just roleplaying you could make a wild character but if you want min-max you could try to go full Demacia or Noxus and have a Unique class for when you build a character in a unique location. or have wild a Vastia tank from noxus with anti-magic demacian armor while using sand magic from Shurima.
Making that would be the hardest one but also would make the most interesting gameplay.
Roleplayer like myself would try to make a interesting character while meta player would try to find the most effective combinations while some people would have 1 character and try to collect one of each armor from every region or boss, a explorer could try to find each cave and hidden place to see if them can find a hidden clan to pick up a special class or aspect to be exclusive.
You could make that every player and race could access almost every place but make that to be for exemple a Mage hunter you don't need to be from Demacia but need a demacian class while having no mage class. so you could make a human from Shurima that learn warrior class in Demacia , tank in Noxus and them became a mage hunter and finish as pirate in bingewater.
So instead of having A race and a class you build your character up while exploring , so you could be 5 class for each character but classes can be combine or exclusive, A classic exemple would be to became a warrior/tank , at this point you could go wild and keep picking up classes or you could became a paladin or bruiser.
that means you could have a thousand possible classes without locking people in places and also would be hard for them to find the Meta builds and even if they find and you see a core of players doing the same class combination you could make a small adjustment like they do in league and fix the broken thing instead of reworking a whole Unique Class
Hope he can get necrit on allcraft. It would be so good to hear him really dive in to the lore he only scratched the surface
So true
threw in Asfand, Soda and have a podcast with Necrit as a guest, title MMO riot games. Holy shit the views
lol riot's mmo will never come out and whenever it will its just some p2w lesbian characters all over the place
@@KnightsTempura ??? okay boomer
@@KnightsTempura you're in copium that is funny you're thinking that way.. you're probably a riot haters since riot is filling up trash genre dev making. Riot wouldn't make Valorant if CSGO wasn't a trash game. Your MMO trash genre is so trash riot is force to make MMO great again... Lol.
If rhere is one league creator who deserves the attention, it's Necrit! Great vid as always Asmon
I've been watching him even before the pandemic and I kept on wondering why he doesn't get that much attention. he's so underrated tbh
I'd love to see an MMO where players unlocking new features, classes, races, hunting grounds, professions, mounts, items, etc. by doing a community challenges, winning world change events, paying tribute to the "Gods", etc... and that would have to be done on each server... And then Inter server wars just to unlock more features for the winners... Something like that would be mint and would really drive people to work hard.
Asherons call did basically this, it had tons of community quests that shaped the world based on the outcome, too bad wow killed it by just burying it with adverts
u did describe Elder Scrolls Online. and maybe Ashes of Creation
Defiance did this. It was an MMO in which would affect the development of the TV show depending on what the players did.
Nah. This sounds as annoying as dailies. Just let me play the game, and stop forcing me to do things just to be competitive.
Aah yes, I love having to switch servers every time one becomes the best.
I hope there will be specific quests tied to your class progression, kinda like how FFXIV does it. Having to build up a friendship while becoming a warrior in the Noxian army and then having to kill said friend to graduate would be a pretty cool, but dark, story.
I hope Rio MMO would be big hit . MMO community realy needs good game for very long time .
What about lostark?
@@levi-222 hahahaha
i think the idea of them starting with 4 classes that are wide and full and sub classes to start would be good. Warrior, Some form of mage, support and some form of melee/ranged attacker.
Tank, Support, Ranged dps, Melee dps.
Tank -> magic Tank, physical Tank subspecies further:)
Etc etc
Subspec options could be awesome! Melee dps -> magic Melee-> Kassadin style Melee magic haha
now that is actually a good idea. it could form a ton of hybrids but not a lot that overwhelms the game production.
like for example a ranger that uses a relic that can kill an undead will be the sentinels of light.
a freljordian warrior that starts to worship the iron boar becomes a berserker.
probably even a fighter that worships the volibear becomes an ursine.
an assassin that died by a quest and gets rewarded to live again can be revenants.
there could be a lot more classes by doing quests and by having only 4 starting classes, they could have the freedom to just use an extension to extend and extend the classes available.
I really like the idea of specialization in classes. Like you can start off with Soldier --> Warrior / Magic Warrior --> Swordmaster / Arcane WeaponMaster (you "summon" /create your blades).
More like Lineage 2 lol
I always loved that feature in Ragnarok Online, you even had to pass an exam to pass from the basic class to a super class.
@@Noobie2k7 I'd prefer the opposite, I like the Diablo4 idea where it's the spell that activate the required weapon.
Oh so like Leafling
I wouldn't be surprised if the devs are watching for some inspiration.
Necrit is essentially the Lore Master of all things League of Legends.
He is one of the most prolific voices in the community if you want to know lore about Runeterra to an extent that they have actually made some things based on his word in the past.
I'd like the idea of pick a class then have sub classes to branch into. A few different sub classes at each level break at level 20 and level 40 assuming level cap will be 50 or 60 on launch.
Ok but imagine if you could be like a base warriror and at a certain point you unlock or find something or someone to unlock a quest that's leads you to a variation of a class and you can change between those specs freely without having to create a new character
Like
Warrior>level40 warrior> demacia quest into justice paladin
Already justice paladin> does the quest in Ionia unlocks wuju> unlocks blade master spec
Can change between those 2 in the "level up" menu without resetting level or doing another warrior and if there's more you can keep discovering and changing
Same for equipment you can find different equipment in different zones without limiting them by region or origin even if they have same stats or just transmog them
U mean Like Metin2 Has?
What he's suggesting is basically how Everquest was designed. You picked a city and race, and your aligned with that city and most others hated you. Plus other stuff, but I always liked it better than One side or the other. More choices and options, less binary.
@@omarcomming722 it just needs to stay a gimmick, not a competitive advantage over others overall
@@omarcomming722 I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Why does there being more factions/options to choose from for anything mean that each choice will have less of an identity?
@@omarcomming722 unless i got it wrong, if those things give you stats that can impact the game competitilvy, its a good thing to have
@@MooseCastle Long-term MMO social sturcutres do depend on a finite structure. In WoW I did want more than two sides. They went too soft with the Horde and I was hoping early on they were going to add the Scourge at some point. Playable Naga or Nerubians / etc would've been nice. They decided to expand their factions rather than add a new faction though.
It may be a different style in the end though but having a global conflict between two sides is a pretty fun idea. Easier to balance as well. I hated how easy it was to balance in some ways.
WoW - Orcs and Trolls shared a capitol city. Gnomes and Dwarves. Only elves and cows could be druids / etc. If you have more than two factions balancing becomes far more difficult. However, in game design to have ture balance actually requires less interesting mechanics, so the end result of having a more difficult to balance strucutre might be good in the long run.
This game im more hyped for than ashes. simply because i have known riot to make quality games. my expectations are much higher and i expect it to release before ashes as well. i am hyped for both though
Another cool system would be that if you could choose a base class, and then go arround the world essentialy and do quests in each of the regions to unlock different skills and spells, which you could then combine into your very own personal class. That would be really cool.
I feel like pvp could be pretty dope if they had some crazy paladin "hammer of dawn" type magic like the GoW weapon, but it takes basically a whole battle to charge up, and the team has to work together to protect the user, in certain team compositions you might need a heavy staggering unit that can remove physical defenses, or as you said a spellbreaker class that can eliminate protective magics on the opposing side that might want to prevent the pally from charging up. I like the idea of classes having very specific uses that are designed around certain strategies. specs are nice but it's cool when MMOs allow for a broad team building experience. The general healer, tank, dps sometimes feels a bit shallow if you don't have a means of largely varied spells and abilities to tap into. I like the idea of some type of sandbox class builder, obviously balanced so you cant take too many spells or abilities are greatly useful over another unless your team can support you. In this case, the overall PvE experience could allow the player to utilize all skills, while the PvP narrows the ability tree and incorporates team specific abilities to encourage team interaction and support
i love how you can still see Asmons makeup from the OTK stream
Out of all the stuff riot's made I hope this one changes the MMO landscape. It's so sad seeing WoW and other MMOs which has essentially lost all the magic it used to have. I recently watched that really long video about the history of MMOs and I was honestly amazed by how people used to game on them. I have been one of the people who have known about WoW for so long but didn't want to "ruin" my life by playing it.
But honestly I wish I could enjoy a game like that the way Asmon and others did. Starting now just seems like a bad idea and a time sink I wouldn't enjoy by the end of it. Hope this game is awesome and everything everyone wants out of it.
What do you mean lost the magic? You've just outgrown video games as a whole. GW2 is still the same. WoW is still the same mechanically speaking. FFXIV is still the same. ESO is still the same.
starting WoW now isn't as bad as Asmon and every other big name makes it seem. plenty of people still just started playing WoW within the year. Asmon and others just don't want to admit that playing the same game for 15+ years with little to no breaks has left them jaded and longing for that nostalgia boner
@@Nico78Not FF14 is only 8 years old I thought (not counting the destroyed game, since that was so different they literally got rid of it)? Not brand new but it's not really "old". Same with ESO, though at least in ESO's case the game is quite a bit different to how it was at launch gameplay wise (I jump in roughly once a year, play for a bit, see the changes and then quit after a few weeks). GW2 I only started recently, so I can't say much on that one. WoW though, is entirely different from where it was at launch. When the devs started taking into account people having add-ons as part of the raid experiences, that alone is a sizeable change. People play WoW Classic because it's so different from retail WoW that it's considered a separate game by players and Blizz.
I don't think that's the issue in this case, but I agree that some people look at games with too much nostalgia though.
@@sparkyspinz9897 Sorry to hear that, do you have any friends who play? I will admit it is a huge world so it's easy to get turned around in if you have no guidance, but my girlfriend just got the game a couple weeks ago and had a good time levelling from 1-48 with little to no help until she got to the Shadowlands content. Currently if you are on a fresh account after coming out of Exile's Reach you should be around level 10 and it should guide you into the BfA storyline as long as you are following the quests. The game gives you the option to PvP at a low level, but it isn't required. Levelling through dungeons is the path most people decide to take first time around. The thing I will agree WoW could do better is giving a "story" option for levelling that brings you through legacy content one expac at a time, in order, so you get the full story. You can do that yourself, but you will probably need some external guidance if that's the path you are looking to take. I wouldn't mind helping you out if you are still interested in playing.
Oh yeah wow ruined my 12-17 school life but I enjoyed every minute of it
I met so many people on wow and I'm still friends today with a few. And I started back in 2005
Wow was definitely far different back then. Wow classic is nothing like the experience people had playing it and the social aspect was far better. People were just more curious and adventurous compared to wow players today.
Seeing how asmon likes these morally grey characters and stories, I honestly think he'll love arcane :) dunno if he'll stream it or upload a reaction video of somekind. I Would love to see his take on it, but if he's not doing that im fine, just wanna hear his thoughts about it
same thought ! i'm 100% sure he'll fucking love it, i hope we get to see his reaction or take on the show if he doe watch it !
It'd have to be his take on it or snippets from the show or something. He could get copyright struck for straight up streaming even one episode.
@@camobranson09 reaction streams with a timer ,as to where in the episode the streamer is, are a thing
@@SquidSushi_ and those would likely get copyright struck on TH-cam. We all know Twitch is more lax with their stuff.
@@camobranson09 No audio no video of the show, there literally wouldnt be anything to strike lol
How cool would b if ur rewards for questing were the skills itself.
I mean... U go to Noxus, meet vladimir, he give u task to kill someone for him. When u do, he teach u blood magic.
That way u would b setted up for exploring the whole map to find all the skills for ur class and learning the rotations on the way.
Better than finding pokemons and also making questing much more fullfilling.
As long as the quest are different per each class it will never be boring to quest with a new character.
I mean, I would rather prefear if them just set the class and origin but dont make a specific origin-class result...
I think is far better if u just pick a class.. Lets say warrior. and start in frejilord as an example... U learn in frejilord some berserks stuff from Olaf or whoever and then u travel to Demacia and u help Garen with a dragon so he want u to join the Vanguard. U follow his questline and after some quests he teaches u some other stuff, making u choose also if u wanna join Vanguard or keep traveling or whatever...
At some point, u will have many unique skills from diferent regions for ur class. Some of them can be only pulled off if u are wearing a shield, or a dual axe, or a trinket like Illaoi or a time device as Ekko...
So depending wich weapon are u using and the skills u have learned u will have ur quite unique character...
I think thats the coolest way to pull it off.
Also, would b much more rewarding learning habilities than just earning gold for completing quests.
Classes don't have to be just cosmetic. A Gunslinger could have a core set of abilities and very faint deviances from the core that sets them apart from other Gunslingers. Sentinels could for example not require ammo while a Warden has longer range and slower but stronger attacks, and a different cooldown and one different ability. Your Human could start in Demacia and be a Sentinel as a standard, and when you get to Piltover you could learn how to be a Warden. When you then equip a Warden weapon, you are now a Warden. Kind of like FF14 but classes are more locked and still similar.
God, I have such high hopes for this game... I wish she'd come out soon.
Best to not get your hopes up too high lad. Do you pay attention to the gaming industry? You know what is more than likely to happen
Riot really been laying low this whole time until they unveil their masterpiece
well the mmo wont come out for at the very least a couple years
Smart honestly, that way they can take their time without the community pushing them
Who says it’s a masterpiece? Talk about being overhyped before even seeing gameplay lol
@@cb6667 Well, riot has been reputable for producing great games. Look at League and Valorant.
@@hueyko The thing is that designing a MMO is much different than just match instance games. MMO's require game designers to not just think of the now but the future. How would players scale from early to late game? How will you balance the economy? How will you reward casual and hardcore players? There is a reason why a majority of MMOs fail. Once you release a bad MMO you cannot go back, the early mistakes of the devs will have a everlasting effect on the game. Riot has a good track record but they have never tackled something on this scale before.
We miss the essence of exploration and the unknown finding something for yourself for the first time and trying to collaborate with others to share information to solve a mystery, a quest that is hard to do alone but can be completed with wit and guts!! And Not just smashing the same skills at keyboard to kill a boss over and over..grinding/farming but more like of an endurance test!!
It can totaly be different "skins" of mirror classes like in warhammer online were a goblin shaman using gork and mork power was actualy doing exactely the same as a high elf archmage weaving between damaging and healing abilities with the exact same spells with different names and skins effects. Alods online did the same too with a tiny class pool reskinned for each race/faction and just changed some details about them.
But they can inspire themselve from Rift mechanics too and give everyone a pool of specs to choose that will end doing your actual class when mixed toghether? It may help resulting with the possibility to create some heavy plate mages, some healer bowmans, some tank shooter, some dark magic healing, some light and dark characters, some pet masters, etc...
There's a tons a cool stuff to be inspired of and help portray the insane diversity that LoL universe have to offer, and they already have been super creative to build that universe and tell stories about those awesome characters so i'm sure they will find a way to continue to amaze us :)
Riot has six classes; Assassin, fighter, Mage, Marksman, Support, and Tank. Inside of that, I could see them just adding a subclass like Void or something to figure out what skill trees you get access to. Games like D&D and Pathfinder already do this. You could have a Class, Background, and like 6-10 skill trees based around things that background would have access to and a respect option somewhere for later when you'd it up.
Having some diferent magic resistence or armor resistance is fine. Makes sense and its balanced.
for the classes i think what they can do is similar to grim dawn for example you can be a void warrior or a hextech warrior shimmer warrior etc.
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This is a great point. So for a game to have successful faction stuff you probably need to have a built in replacement for discord etc.
I feel like a game can only have factions if there's preexisting and developped lore
Wow players could pick factions because Horde / Alliance is a long time thing
Star Wars work in a Empire / Republic or a Light / Dark side way.
FF14 wouldn't work, because who cares about the starting regions, you don't know them. You DO pick a faction at some point, but it's purely cosmetic and has almost zero impact
LOL has a long standing lore, so factions could be a thing, but I'm on the opinion that it's better not to split the playerbase
@@diersteinjulien6773 WoW factions don't work anymore.
@@tyty8484 (in my opinion) they don't work anymore because people don't *care* anymore.
To work, factions need to have people invested in them equally. And that's freaking hard to do.
I hope they make every race playable and each their own things to do. And each one has their own storyline and you are looked at in towns of your opponents but have each one have their own balancing. Where there no playing with the other races unless the lore allows it. 6 different factions though sounds fun af
I was discussing this with a friend but I firmly believe it's not a race or class issue they face but the skills involved. With all these legends will we be able to build the same and make a character like Viktor in game? So I think it's how extensive the skill trees and system involved are.
My girl Ahri got did “Ahiri” and it made me smile 😊
Love hearing asmon's opinions on stuff like this, can't wait to see him play the game eventually
I don't imagine the game releasing before 2025 tho
@@stealthytrapper2328 it isn't, they estimated 2025 for the release.
@@myst2212I am no expert and have a hard time to make assumptions especially based of so little info, so I would like to ask where you got your estimation from or how you came to that conclusion about 2025?
Asmon actually has a lot of great insight, he'd make a decent game designer, I feel.
Well he is expierenced in mmos
Where can I see his streams? Last time he was streaming it was apparently 3 months ago pls help me
@@mohamedarfaoui3533 He streams in his other twitch @zackrawrr
This sounds pretty much like main class > sub-classes/origins > specializations/talents tree.
But it would be much cooler to select your main class and then head for the city where you can train the path you want and that region holds your sub-class/specializations gear as suggested a bit further down.
Have story assigned to region and get rid of classes, spec whatever you want to.
It's easier to optimize this for end game, if everyone has same skill tree and everyone can be any class that is needed!
Then randomize the perks every week or month, to make it hard for min/maxing people and it's hard and rewarding to find a FOTM build.
Then have mechanics in Group Content and PvP, so that makes it required for your team to have healer, tank, a controller and showcases their stuff.
Have OG trinity, tank, healer and controller and do away with DPS class.
Have ranked arena PvP and ranked world PvP with cool rewards.
All those things would make a game more nounced, but at same time more accessible so more people would play it.
The fact that Riot MMO is seemingly acknowledging pitfalls of other MMOs, and brilliantly avoiding them is very heartening
Trying to make classes for this will be really interesting, just looking at the possible warriors. Then I was thinking about mage/spell casters. Sand/Earth, Fire, Ice, Lightning, Arcane, Blood, Void, Time, Spirt, Water, and maybe Starcaller? Not including Summoner classes. Even through Starcaller and Time was label support in this video, which I guess make sense too. What Asmongold said about having specs is one answer, you could do like Fire, Ice and Earth or Blood. However, looking at WoW specs can be good, but they can be a horrible nightmare at the same time. I played mage the whole time I played WoW and personally loved Fire for the most part, but at times because of balancing issue or gearing choices it was either the best spec or was the worse. So unless you can make everything balanced as best as balance can be without having it where everyone is going to play only Arcane because if gives the best dps or party utility vs playing like Earth or Frost. I would almost not want specs or at least just don't have talent trees and base dmg off of spells and more simple style gearing verses the way WoW makes you have to spec the best abilities that give the most dps while saying you have choices and then roll on gear because all the stats are the same, but it has Crit instead of Haste. As Crit is your most important stat.
An idea I had was to make everything gear / ability based. Example: you buy a sword, which you can then equip any of a number of sword based abilities on (kind of like Path of Exile's weapons and skill gems). They would also be able to pull a lot of the existing abilities from league for this.
At that point, the classes would just be different starting stats / gear, but you could then build your own ability set from there.
Seems reasonable honestly, I'm not a big fan of classless games because of Albion Online but I reckon Riot can do it well
you have never witnessed Teemo. Imagine playing against a hunter with an ability that prevents you from attacking, land mines, invisibility, and the most irritating /laugh ever created. there is a reason people hate yordles.
@@Amaling Most people hate a certain cat lately anyway lol.
Wtf are you talking about? Hunters have everything you mentioned for Teemo, but better. They are tankier, longer ranged, have a TRUE way to stop opponents from attacking (a stun or freeze or scatter instead of a blind), multiple traps, can get camo and move with it unrestricted, and can have even more annoying laughs depending on the race. I could go on but...
@@Amaling you better be talkin bout Cho'Gall. most fun I had in a MOBA.
@@Amaling sure, i stopped playing when they reworked my main a few years ago. still have a deep-seated hatred of teemo.
@@virulentskills225 a hunter in wow isn't usually spamming /l in duels, and hunters in PVP that i've seen dont chunk your DPS with shrooms when theyre on the other side of the arena. yes, hunters can freezetrap or knock you back, but teemo can ruin his opponents game without being seen after farming 10 minutes into game. and there are plenty of other yordles that are annoying as well.
Solari (sun worhshippers of targon)
Buhru (kraken worshippers of bilgewater)
Aspect of Justice (holy worshippers of demacia)
Spirit walker (animal worshippers of freljord)
Celestial Seers (star worshippers of targon)
Monk (dragon worshippers of ionia)
These classes all "worship" a greater entity, that they channel and don't create. They all have a focus on defense, but can attack equally. They all have "healing" properties.
These could all just be the same class, but with different animations, move names, and special effects (as well as a few origin exclusive spells unique to each object of worship)
A lot of these characters could be rolled under the same class core classes but have unique spell effects or animations based on the flavor of the character even though the base action is the same spell or attack.
Re: Faction-based game modes for MMRitO: I’ve been thinking about this for a while. I think that maybe there’s a way to do both, with PvE content being fully factionless, but with PVP wars and such being partially factioned.
Say, you can play mercenary and fuck about picking any faction you want to rep for a skirmish battle or something, but the more you play for a particular faction, you gain ramping benefits, or even high-tier gear drops. Want a Decimator Axe? Merc shit for Noxus.
I dunno. I feel like the interworld politics are so interesting, and the war-torn history of the lore so broad, that it would be great to include somehow
1 game i played has a very interesting class system, you can learn any skill and use any weapons. But some skill can only be used by certain weapons. And what weapon you use defines your class. Theres also some skill which can be used by all classes.
This gives players to combine skills + weapons to make thier own classes and skills. For example you use equip a sword, sword + shield, sword + sword, sword + magic Device. And what skill you have makes then elemental, magic, cursed or a normal swordsman
Albion like
I've always been hella curious about this world and its characters. I think I'm gonna love this. I hope you have as much class/build choice as in ESO though.
I think the Riot MMO could learn a LOT from using the classes in some of the earliest seasons of TFT. Figure out those really broad stroke vibes that lots of heroes can fit into. For instance, Brawler, Knight, Guardian, Ranger, Sorcerer, Elementalist Shapeshifter, Blademaster, Assassin, Gunslinger. Then they just layer the flavor on top from there via a spec or "source of power."
So like a Gunslinger could be the class, but you could be a Void, Hextech, Pirate, or Sentinel Gunslinger. You can sorta already imagine where the different champs from the game fit into that and then go from there. Supporting all that from the jump is a lot, so if you keep it clamped to maybe 2 specs for each class then it's really easy to layer on additional specs later
for the racial bonuses, I think something like in tera but without passives would be fine, you get a 2hour cd "heal to full life", "restore mp", 10s +15% movement speed, or knock back/stun reduction. and you also get a 1hour cd tp to some relevant to your race town. it's useful, but it doesn't prevent you from playing your class well without, as you can get heal or mp very easily with a potion or from a support class, and they are all fairly balanced, though you might be inclined to take a more position/offensive based skill on an offensive class, and a more defensive one on defensive classes, but you don't have to, as getting a full heal or knockback immunity to continue dps while in an aoe may also be very useful.
Riot: “You can’t just shoe horn in a new race out of the blue, it wouldn’t make sense.”
WOW, “So anyway we added Panda’s, rip off discounts of already existing races, Cute-looking fox people despite never previously existing, and now we’re at the EF IT stage of saying, NOW YOU CAN BE* Dragon….like people who turn into humans!”
@@Sephiroso. The Dragon Creatures we get to be kind of are. Dragons themselves, no, which you would be correct about
I mean, Panderans were a thing since early Warcraft 3. I'm not even talking about the expansion.
@@Sephiroso. They didn't have a ton of lore, but they appeared multiple times, first as an april fools joke(joking about them being the 5th playable race), then as a neutral creep, then, a few references and small jokes later, finally as the Brewmaster.
Sure, we didn't get a lot of lore on them, but they've been there.
@@Sephiroso. Pandaren existed in Warcraft 3, so, that doesn't hold water with them either.
@@Sephiroso. So if a character exists, they're inherently the only one of their race alive?
Asmon hard carries the MMO genre no buffs. Love this dude.
Where can I see his streams? Last time he was streaming it was apparently 3 months ago pls help me
@@mohamedarfaoui3533 on twitch dude lol
My first MMO is GW2 and I wish some aspects would be present in LOL MMO like the combat and elite specialization. I also like the idea of fractals because it shows you what had happened in the past.
They could lock specs to regions and have a general base class, people would travel between regions and do quests to get to add the region specs to the base class.
I mean usually in mmo your class is always different from what things are actually are which makes you the protagonist of the game and even if its an mmo with many players, you are the only player in the story line.
They could just make few special classes like a mage that can learn every magic skills in every region and same to the warriors and assassins which simplifies the classes but at the same time full of combos and abilities. It also makes sense since your character is 100% gonna travel the whole world to complete the quests and expansions
Or the could just remove the class system and build whatever you want like skyrim.
And another idea is that you are someone from the past or another world.
These are generic Ideas of course but I can see them working. There are so many ways to simplify the character making system by just not getting too much attach in the lore, JUST MAKE IT SPECIAL and no one will complain, change my mind
nice, he is finally reacting to it, I saw this yesterday it was a good video for the league community.
Where can I see his streams? Last time he was streaming it was apparently 3 months ago pls help me
On starting zones: gw2 did this pretty dang well. Multiple early storyline, multiple leveling zones, minimal to no advantage in appreciable zone differences. Some had slightly better layouts for the initial rush to max level, but afterwards you have no real reason to do x storyline or y storyline -- and those who were disadvantaged by like 2% completion time in the race to max wouldn't really see that difference until the race was over.
I always advocated for a treason system in wow so I could move my tauren to alliance and play with friends. Of course blizz wanted to charge a full box game price for that
i feel like it'd be better for blizzard to merge the horde and alliance into one big faction, it'd solve a lot of problems
@@panzer4720 It would create more problems than it would solve with the amount of faction-specific and faction v faction content in the game. We're talking overhauling the main cities and their structures, countless npc's and their dialogues, and many, many quests just wouldn't make sense
@@bisterkding9249 who cares just let me play with my friends
@@panzer4720 I don't want to play with alliance bums.
@@Desolaytore jokes on you, you've been playing with them for half of the game's life, blizzard just didnt want to go through with crossfaction but now they will
"They don't seem that annoying"
The thousands of people having PTSD seeing Teemo sitting in the background with his smug ass grin knowing damn well he is the most loved and hated out of all of LoL
After considering this, I think Riot should make everything class related respeccable, and probably have some kind of regional deity you can choose to worship, but each region has certain class specs, so you could create a character in a particular region knowing exactly the classic kind of character from there, or you could be an Ionian who wants to maybe starts as a warrior, but then travels elsewhere to learn alchemy, or gun tech, or elemental magic. And you should be able to re-spec or learn new skills exclusive to certain trainers, or things like that. rather than picking something you can't change at character creation. Each skill you learn can be listed under their 4 base class types: warrior, jungler, mage, and support, then you can mix and match or focus on one.
A race or class from the Void or the Shadow Isles. Would be SICK!
Necrit poorly explained the Vastaya, hence the discrepancy with him differentiating between the Minotaurs and the Vastaya. In the old lore the Vastayashai'rei (the ancestors of the Vastaya) were magical animals, however in the new lore the Vastayashai'rei have always been a humanoid race, their magical connection to the spirit realm gave them unique animal traits and nature magic and the Vastaya inherited a diluted version of these features.
also the statement on one of the xayah and rakan stories, that some vastaya can actually choose what animal feature to have and to a degree how to have it too, that gives A LOT of flexibility for the vastaya in the mmo and potentially custom characters with different options based on origin or unlocked regions.
From what I undersood, there IS a difference between them. Vastaya ancestors are MAGIC animal f*ckers, where Minotors (and some others) are just straight up from normal animals
Definitely going with the void if its possible Khazix is such a fire character
in terms of the class selection why not just make the specialization tied in with the locations. If you select warrior, you start as something vanilla, then when you reach (maybe lvl 10) you have the option to select a warrior specialization by travelling to the relative location. for example, if you want to be a vanguard, create a warrior hit (whatever requirements), travel to demacia, do the demacian specialization quest and become a vanguard warrior
I haven't played Minotaurs until shadowbane, and I have to tell you that it's everything it's cracked up to be. You're big, you're stacked, you swing a big unga bunga axe, things die. Although I'm hoping this mmo will have big guns. The plus of super strong in a civilized context is that instead of swinging an axe, you are a weapons platform. Why run up to your target and hit it when you can just go brrrrrrrrrr
It is always funny that Asmon thinks that everyone thinks like him. Let's say for meta worshipping, yeah it is popular, but not everyone does that.
I could never play a class or race that I don't personally like, no matter how powerful. And I've never had any issues clearing content in any game so far.
I dare you to play PoE. Especially, the current league.
i think the best balancing for classes is making diverse enemys, with different mechanics so that every class has different moments to shine
3:00 You dont understand the pain in Necrit voice😂
he's afraid that riot add sexy races like they added sexy champs for almost 6years thats why he said that
Who would win: Literal celestial god or little yordel with his mushroom mines.
Normal people : Celestial god obviously.
LOL player : I fear no man... but that thing it scares me.
one of the good things about ESO that they got right (i know its rare), they made it so that every race from every fraction can play in PVE together and when in pvp they can play on which ever fraction they chose.
DUDE I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED THE OTHER REACTION AND SEARCHED FOR THAT ONE. LMAO
He didn't touch the demons or the classes they could bring to the whole thing. Imagine Fiddlesticks...
Imagine if fiddlesticks is an enemy you may come across while travelling through Demacia. That would be awesome
@@j.p1183 make him a raid boss, he is ancient and so powerfull its insane
Asmon literally gold here excellenty displaying how few fucks he has to give. He really got me in the beginning when furries were mentioned and he said 'That's too bad' and then it was stated that it was still playable and he was like 'Oh..'. Zack, the living legend we all got to appreciate the shit out of. Asmongold, the soap opera for nerds that never ends. May you live forever, king
You were actually right the first time about the minotaur, you just didn't have the reason why right. It was Poseidon, he sent a white bull to King Minos who promised to sacrifice the bull. Once seeing the bull, he refused, which angered Poseidon, so he had the king's wife fall in love with it as punishment.
The idea I had to deal with races and starting locations is that you can choose whatever starting location you want, but you can also choose random starting location, and the random starts are biased based on race.
Waaa Waa lets take out fun racial traits because autistic people can't help but min/max everything. Just make them all strong or fun, just like they did with 90% of specs in MoP PVP.
In MoP, how many Gladiators were human if their class could be human?
@@Xaelyrion No Idea, but I had 12 characters I played, all geared up thanks to honorbuddy, and loved every spec. Not everything needs to be perfectly balanced. The shitty racials in wow def should be buffed or have something fun added like shadowmeld for races that are lacking.
@@Sephiroso. Not at all. I just said they should all be at least useful or fun. Nobody gives a fuck about a herbalism speed racial like azmon was recommending.
Can I be a Chogath though?
No void is like darkin
lmao...Asmongold still got some makeup left.
you could have basic classes, then you can have sub classes unlocked by doing specific questlines in each region for each subclass, and then have like the awakened versions for the slightly stronger classes
Nobody mentions ESO with it's "faction" system.
Picking a faction just sets your main city, which there are 3, if you want to PVP, you just queue for PVP.
In the open world, you can play with anyone regardless of faction.
EDIT: ESO's class system as well, where every class can be a damage dealer, tank, or healer, every class has a physical damage or magic damage "spec".
So, yes, ESO would make a very good model for the class and race system for World of Runeterra.