Given the absurd amount of class division, it could be an option for riot to make a scaled down version of Path of Exile pasive tree for each class, in the sense, an ability or class tree where, depending where you are from, you start in a different part of the tree and gives you easier access to what would be more thematic to your origin, but still not limiting you out from what that class might do in other places. Would be a hella lot of work, but i mean, they have a hella lot of work to do eitherway and they already have the lore so that part is semi covered
That won't work. It'll be hell to balance. It's not like Guild Wars 2 where races have different origins. Some regions in runeterra have concurrent races. So it's better to just make it uniform and restrict some races in some regions like demacia.
Sadly Riot doesnt care and only wants money. Its a company like EA. They try but money is the main goal. It makes me sad because with this world you could do so much awesome stuff.
@@MrMajesticJack Even for riot games with the amount of money they make, making an MMO is a heavy investment. Which simply means they gotta find a way to make money.
@@MrMajesticJack dude if they want money they could've cancelled arcane. Still it's a business stop acting like not thinking about money is good even for this ip.
@@MrMajesticJack lmao who doesn't want money? without money there would be no Valorant, no Arcane, no Runeterra and no MMO. Stop acting like wanting money is inherently bad thing, especially for a huge company trying to expand. And even then, Riot isn't the greediest company out there, compared to most other big companies they are more on the player friendly side
@@pepega9867 you get me wrong. Yes they need money. But dont let that be the main priority and let everything else fall and therefore make money grabbing crap. Yes as a company you need money i get that and i understand. I do the same. But quality over quantity.
One thing worth mentioning is crafting classes! Being a Demacian crafter would be worlds apart from a Shuriman or Ionian crafter, and I think there's a unique way make each crafter feel interesting besides what kind of equipment they can make. Perhaps having each nation represent a discipline and giving crafters the ability learn parts of other disciplines, and create their own unique recipes in addition to standard equipment or item making!
The way I see it with the vast amount of classes I can see riot doing something similar to Maplestory. There's the 5 core classes which are warrior/mage/assassin/archer/(pirate/gunner) but if you notice maplestory has like 40+ playable classes. What they did is basically reskin one of the core classes to create a totally new class but they still maintain its core weapon.
Yes! this is what I was about to comment. I play Maple and I can say that this system works wonders. It's not even needed to "reskin" the core class, nowadays the 40+ classes Maplestory has are basically all unique on its own way, it obviously will take a very very long time to get all 40 classes up and running with all of them having it's unique playstyle, but theres absolutely no reason to release all of them AT ALL. In my honest opinion, 5-10 classes could make the game have a strong baseline, similar to what Lost Ark had at the moment of global release, and then slowly adding new classes and maybe even reworking certain parts of already existing classes, alongside expansions and new content. This is the apporach Maplestory took over the past 10 years and my god let me tell you that nowadays having 40+ classes to choose from is VERY wild and sometimes overwhelming but also VERY interesting and feels very unique. Sometimes you even have this feeling that *THAT* class was made for you.
I imagine they'd start with the class archetypes directly from league - marksman, assassin, juggernaut, etc and then build 'prestige' or 'subclasses' out from there. If you wanted to bring in the region pride, even better! For example, rolling a fighter would give you a core set of abilities but then you could go to Freljord to train as a berserker, Demacia to train as a knight, or Noxus to train as a legionaire. Assassins could go to Ionia to train as a ninja or Demacia to train as a mageseeker. Mages could go to ixtal to train as an elementalist, Freljord to train as a shaman, and so much more.
Maybe Riot could add hemomancer (followers of Vladimir) and blood warrior (followers of the darkin) as the ocult subclasses not making vampire/demon/darkin directly playable but tapping into similar abilities
Actually, they could go with base classes that lead to region-specific second classes. Then use future expansions to introduce more second classes. They could also do something like Dragon’s Dogma and allow for spontaneous class changes and they could introduce hybrid classes as unlockable after reaching a certain level of proficiency as two different prerequisite classes.
Something like elite specialisations from Guild Wars 2 could be cool too. For example I can imagine an elite spec for a mage and warrior class of each region with some unique skills.
This is also what I was thinking of. Start with the basic classes based on League’s already established ones, like Juggernauts, Tanks, Mages, Marksmen, Etc., then have subclasses that can be acquired from regions in the game.
I feel like you’re thinking too hard about classes, and it’ll be broken down how they do in league, ie: Controller, Fighter, Mage, Marksman, Slayer, Tank, and Specialist all having their own respective subclasses to cover some of the more niche stuff. Race wise I think you’re spot on, but maybe they’ll sneak in Voidborn or something, but I feel play for the void leans toward the faction based gameplay, so it’s hard to say.
u have obviously never watched a necrit video before because every video he does is long and well thought out....lul "thinking too hard", welcome to necrit
@@FriendOfLegolas controller was the rename for support, slayer was the rename for assassin, and specialist is for champions that don’t fit into any one category.
I think it would be (kind of impractical but) really cool to make a class evolution system. Kinda like in ffxiv but more expansive. Like you can only pick from 6 basic classes when you start, but you can choose what you evolve the class into at a later point. Let's say you choose the Mage class to start. You reach a certain level or story event and you get a quest telling you to go find someone for further training. It then prompt you to go to one of multiple options, which option you choose would then determine what your class evolves into. Like if you go to Demacia as a mage you willingly get the magic sucked out of you or something, are given a special rock, and become a mageseeker, but if you to Ionia instead you become a Spirit Mage, and if you go to Piltover you become a Hextech/Chemtech Engineer.
How they handle the factions is something i'm interested in. I'm kind of hoping they go for more of a reputation approach and allow you to earn/lose rep based off actions you take. I kind of want them to let us all start without a faction and let us gravitate towards the one(s) we like. Balancing the rewards would be hell though. I feel like they would all have to be cosmetic. For Vastaya, i'm hoping they don't try to limit them so they have things they can add in the future. Just add them and add more options as time goes on.
I feel like a somewhat Guild Wars 2 character creation style could work for this game. Each GW2 race has their own starting area, and within that area the choices you make during creation shape your personal story until all of the "personal" stories merge into the main storyline towards the end of the base game. No stat differences between the actual races but the class you pick changes what armor and weapons you can use, and later class specializations add weapons each class can use. Per class, each weapon gives you 5 different skills and then you can choose 5 more skills depending on what spec trees you go down. There's so much more and I'm a pretty casual GW2 player, but I love the system compared to something like WoW. The personal stories that stem from your choices during creation have several branching paths that all end up back in the same place, but you still feel like your choices mean something. I also feel like this could work well for the whole class/origin issue you mentioned. Maybe depending on your starting location and class, you get access to different weapons which each have their own skills, although that could get a bit complicated with the sheer number of potential starting locations. (all I want is to either be able to play a Lunari right from the start or a cool ass vastaya, and if Riot can pull this off I'm anticipating the best character creator to ever exist)
I'm actually just about to start a Dungeons and Dragons themed adventure with my family who has never seen the world of Runeterra before and this was a life saver for which races to recommend them to play. This is perfectly timed and I thank you!
If you look online, there is a dnd 5e "book" online that has all the Runeterran races, bonuses, as well as region and class bonuses. I started a runeterra campaign also and found it very useful
@@katarinaducouteau5729 And where could I find it? I've found only Dark Tides of Bilgewater which doesn't really help with vastaya and Runearcana which stands on 5e, but balance system pretty much different. I'm running the 5e Bilgewater campain and I just "recreate" the vastaya, minotaurs(slightly) and even ironbacks (little turtles in Bilgewater)
If anything these classes could be subclasses of the larger, broader class, for example, you start as warrior and to become an enforcer you'd have to talk to maybe a recruiter in piltover, etc. Each class doesn't have to branch far from the main class, each subclass could each have a couple special skills and passive effects. Not necessarily an entirely new skill tree because that might be too much work for them, but having different gameplay expression for, let's say a demacian rogue and a bilgewater rogue would definitely be a step in a good direction
Exactly my thought, make unique classes into upgrade / specialization classes, from warrior then upgrade into blademaster if you go to a blademaster trainer then unlocks blademaster gears & skills.
I quite like the "skin" idea where the regions are mostly cosmetic but could also have some stat differences and maybe one or two exclusive spells or such. The main classes could be warrior, mage and ranged. Also imagine a void expansion adding the option to make you have an additional "void touched" option as a region or as a special modifier/ region swap on an already existing character
I think a great starting point for the MMO would be Bilgewater. It makes everyone start in the same area (If you wanna play with friends), every race can be there (because its a big harbor thing) and you could go everywhere from there (because its a big harbor thing).
Piltover could just teleport you anywhere, so that makes sense too. Edit: Actually just Noxus, but Noxus is so big (and invasive) that I wouldn't be surprised if they've set up Gates in foreign territories.
Terrible idea, Simply just from the fact that having everyone in one place especially at the start would probably make the game near unplayable server/performance wise... Would be a good place for everyone to have access to like a neutral city, and have the shadow isles or whatever it's called as an event that happens every Halloween where you help fend off the dead and stuff like that.
I really hope that A: it will be set in a third person perspective instead of top down and B: they lean into the ability to roleplay like with FFXIV and ESO. Not only is it a great activity if you're into it, but it can allow the game to make money through the selling of cosmetics as well. I can tell you from first hand experience, people will throw loads of money to get a good transmog or outfit going.
I would be shocked if it's an isometric game. With all of the people they're bringing who have worked on games like WoW, GW2, WildStar, Witcher 3 and LotRO, I would say it's very likely to be in third person.
ghostcrawler has also mentioned that it will be more than just a quest grind and you can truly live and feel you are a part of runeterra, so its safe to assume there will be plenty more than just the raw gameplay
The kinkou may also be an interesting idea for a paladin class. It is shown that while they will assassinate mortals/spirits to preserve the balance, protection and prevention of conflict takes priority. As such the kinkou are able to cast magic barriers to protect themselves and others, something that a paladin class would do.
Thank you so much for making this content! I do not play League of Legends but I have played a lot of other games. Your videos help me learn about and explore this fantastical world. It guides those of us who have not played the game into the wonderous history, diverse geography and gives us a solid understanding of the inhabitants, their daily lives, lore and motivations. It also gives us a solid foundation to go into the future MMORPG so that those of us who are "new" won't feel so lost and alone. :D
Also the fact that people can randomly be born with a specific kind of magic regardless of where they are from (Lux-light, Annie-fire, Rell-metal, Taliyah-Earth) they could be a cool mage class option, there's also the region incentive ones like Elemental Magic in Ixtal, Earth/Sand bending in Shurima, Electric/Wind magic in Ionia. Being a something bender due to being born with magical ability regardless of where you are from is something that makes sense in this universe. Also technically the sentinels of light are located on multiple places of Runeterra if we go by the ruination event, so sentinels can also be in Piltover and other places.
I could see the sentinel class being something you achieve through questing. It'd limit your options after choosing it, but having to work for it. More like how Vayne joined after the fight with ruined Shyvana.
You don't have to think traditionally when it comes to classes. I wanna see them try the route of ditching classes for the most part and just making weapons and armor with totally unique attributes that define your playstyle. I'm someone who really likes when you can mess around with wacky builds. It sounds wrong, but I'm very sure most of us would still end up building an identity around our favorite builds. If you want progression, I really like what old old Spiral Knights has, where equipment is placed into tiers of power. The low tier items you start off with would be very straightforward, but as you upgrade your gear they may split off into different upgrade paths, so gearing becomes increasingly deep.
I can see the Ascended, Celestials, and Darkin working as high level rewards where you become one for completing certain events. Not Lore accurate gods per say, but more like a prestige class.
@@nanopix5305 I think what he meant was like a sort of achievement, like a title or something like that. Not actually providing insane stats or something.
I think that classes could be done in a way with the classes used in league of legends (assassin, marksman, mage, fighter, support) and based on your origin could have subclasses with different equipment associated with them. For example say you're an assassin from Ionia, so your sub class options could be kinkou or shadow order assassins, based on what abilities and equipment your character uses.
Man i was about to say the same thing man. Seriously think this would be not only the easiest it most effective way to fit all the amazing classes into the game. Double thumbs up for you homie. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@fitmotheyap I don't think they'd have to balance that many subclasses, since they'd be separated only by equipment and abilities but still have the basic perks of that class (staying on the example, both kinds of ionian assassins would have the same base stats and base abilities, with the only difference being what they wear and the utility they provide via movement abilities [kinkou being more supportive, while shadow order being agressive]) Imo it would be the simplest way to introduce a class system, but to each their own i guess.
I think the sub class thing would be a bit too complicated and would mean that there are like 6+ different versions of assassins among other things. I think instead it would be interesting if you started as the "subclass" and you need to go to the other subclass area to become your main class. So for instance, you start as a Kinkou ninja subclass and you go to the Shadow Order subclass area to become an assassin. You could even go a bit further and allow players to mix and match kinda like how Ashes of Creation will in that say, you start as a Kinkou ninja but then you go to one of the tank subclass areas and learn that set of skills to allow you to mix them and essentially end up with something like Shen, a ninja that is a tank.
the only problem with having different subclasses depending on the origin is a bad balancing act [which given how League itself is balanced, you can see would be an issue] it would likely be easier to just have ninja as a separate class for the Ionia expansion [with Kinkou and Shadow Order sub classes]
An interesting idea for how classes could work is your skills being based on the type of weapon you wield rather than a set archetype like warrior/mage. It could be similar to the Souls series were weapon classes like greatsword, curved sword, axe, etc. could level up separately to your character. Character levels would let you increase your stats while weapon level would unlock more skills for that weapon type. Not sure how difficult that would be to implement or balance but it sounds like a good way to allow lots of player freedom and customization regardless of what race/region you pick!
Guild Wars 2 does something similar to this, your "basic abilities" determined by the weapon you have equipped with your more utility abilities determined by the class and specializations you chose to pick.
This is what New world did/does, it would have been awesome, if it wasnt new world. The system itself was super cool for me, but the game itself dragged it down
That just sounds like a good way to funnel specific classes into only using a certain weapon type because it does the most damage/dps and keep people from using other weapons cause like in wow when weapon skills were a thing you could get this really good axe but oh wait, your axe proficiency is 24/250 so its pretty much useless to you until you level it up, so now you just run around killing random mobs for hours just to level it up so its actually useful. I'd rather just have it be the class has the same abilities but it can use different weapons that fit that class, maybe change the animations for the abilities for such weapons at most but having a new world 2.0 situation doesn't sound good. On top of that Ghostcrawler already said they are focusing more on less customization for better balance and gameplay so I doubt they would implement that type of mechanic but I could be wrong though I doubt thats the case. Also I don't know if you're saying that what race/region is chosen to start as affects what weapons you can use but they also said that races are pretty much cosmetic only and wont effect what class you can play and such, so I doubt they would lock certain weapons if you were a yordle than a human.
no. I say that, because a lot of games do that. FF14 is basically that exactly waht you are saying. Not saying its a bad system, but... I don't think it has to be simply locked to weapons. They can simply lock it to classes, that can be swapped. I honeslty think its best, if you had to do side quests to unlock all sorts of different classes, and you can set up alt skills from those classes after you leveld them or completing their class quest. This way, you can still use what ever weapon you want, without having to be locked into a class by a weapon. I alweays hated being locked into a class or weapon. My problem with WOW and FF14. I want to use the waepon I want, with the class I want. Not have to play around the limited choice weapons of the class, or play the class the weapon is locked into.
24:30 I wanna see a cinematic of where Azir arrives alone to a battlefield in the Shuriman desert where he'd be facing an army. The commander of the army would ask him something along the lines of "You came alone to beg for the lives of your people? That's quite noble of you, but it's not going to happen." Then Azir would just summon an army of sand soldiers with a movement of his hand while replying "My will is the will of Shurima. It shall once again, stretch to the horizons." After saying this, there'd be a bird's eye view of both armies and the sand soldiers would stretch literally as far as the eye can see in every direction behind Azir. 👀😂.
@@AkumaGS Going from experience, having to chew through hundreds of enemies simply isn't fun (maybe fun once as a power trip, see Kingdom Hearts 2). This would work far *far* better as a badass cinematic as opposed to a raid encounter.
Idea: have 4/5 base classes (Warrior, Rogue, Marksman, Mage…) but have each of them be different based on the players faction. You can be a warrior in the Dauntless Vanguard, then defect and become a Trifarian Legion warrior, changing your playstyle
I stand by how hilarious it is, that after all these videos and time, necrit is still so goofy and awkward on camera. Everything he says is great. All the races seem on point. The classes, good Lord the classes...
We definitely NEED a Voidborn class. Or at least one class tied to the void. I would be such a waste not to have one, since Bel'veth has already shown that voidbornes can go rogue, and defy the watchers ideals
And how would you justify pretty much every other race not killing them. Friendly reminder: They seek to consume anything and everything for the sake of nothingness. Despite Bel'Veth going rogue, she, at the end, want's to consume everything and rebuild it so she can stay alive. Kha'Zix consumes anything to evolve for the sake of becoming the ultimate predator. Vel'Koz disintegrates anything for the sake of knowledge. I can't see them being playable since they are portrayed as the enemy of all reality, programmed to annihilate everything. I can only imagine them introducing unique NPCs for the sake of story or, if anything, introduce some kind of a "void tainted" human class like Kassadin, Kai'Sa or Malzahar. Humans with otherworldly purplish looking powers.
Interesting to know that regions in this world are already mixed as I really like the idea of different starting regions based by race like in WOW classic
I am so surprised you never brought up SKILL TREES as a way to change up the classes. So every class could spec into different versions, like the Warriors you mentioned could have a few different skill paths or entire separate skill trees depending on what they want to become.
I kinda had the though, with how you spoke about sand trolls, that they may have been kept vague and out of sight on purpose, possibly so they can be explored in the MMO, possibly as a playable race.
Yes! Was so happy to see this. I had no clue about League lore, but my gf sent me your last video about the world and after I watched Arcane I fell in love with the Lore of Riot's world. I was glad to see you got recognition from Asmon too and all that comes with that. Great job ^^
For classes, they should make it so people make their own sort of class based off several skill trees. It'll give people the chance to come up with interesting and unique hybrids.
making hybrids only make the game imbalance just like all the previous games that have hybrids classes they're dead now. maybe if they make the classes like in AdventureQuest worlds like u will start as a Norm then u can select a master to pick the class u want and just have a skill tree.
I always assumed classes would be: marksmen, tank, enchanter, brawler, assassin, mage… Then each class will have branches, and you can learn signature spells from champions in game. There probably won’t be a chronomancer class, since there’s so few chronomancers, but we can do a quest line for Zilean to unlock a spell, IF we are a mage. Otherwise we unlock a weapon or armor. Or we would be granted an option between the two, but only if we’re a mage
Aw man, what you say makes sense but I do hope it won't be as cut and dry as that. Variants/subclasses within each class aligned to what necrit mentioned (i.e. assassins could branch out to Ionian shadow magic or noxian techniques) would be dope.
@@sjb_92 Hey man, you seem like a really angry person having gone out of your way to comment something negative and then offer no insight. I hope you're doing well.
@@lavacrush1234 I'm doing well, mate! There was no hint of anger in my comment, I don't think. Just a simple statement. Instead of being offended, consider that maybe you're wrong about what you said. Then consider your knowledge in the three areas I mentioned. If you realise that you're not all that experienced in any one of those areas, congrats! You found my comment insightful.
I really hope that voidborns will someday appear in the Riot MMO as a playable race. The characters from this region have some of the most interesting and unique designs Riot has ever created.
@@Vizible21 I thought about that but characters like kaisa exists. Her void suit seems to be not controlled by whatchers, and kaisa herself fighting void with its help so I guess riot can just give us the acces to the race after some storyline in game
Honestly the more videos that I watch on this topic the more and more am I wishing to just one day get really solid single player RPG in world of League. Would be epic.
It would be pretty cool if the Yordles had a somewhat similar leveling experience as Pandas in World of Warcraft, a place they get to a certain level in, and can get back to whenever they want for RP purposes etc. But only they can. Since noone knows how to get to the yorde place. They could do a "portal" to get there. It would be pretty odd to see other races in Bandle City. How are they supposed to enter buildings? lol. But im sure they could work around that aswell since it would be a pretty cool place to have as a larger zone with actual content.
Another great video, and intentional or not I haven't been this excited for a potential release of a game in SO long. Keep up the amazing work! Hopefully in one the expansions we can play as an "undead" or "cursed" from the shadow isle
With the races, I agree till a point... they can do it like a subrace thing where you must complete some quest/dungeons or hidden caves randomly spawn on the map by the player choice to have different build and look ofcourse at some lvl thing stage(like touch by the void, robotic, celestial, sun disk, primal god/or three sister, black mist, demons/spirit blessings) ... and about the classes from my view is no classes ... you can achieve a class by putting points in different stats with different subclasses unlocked my quest and items( like in wow was with experience on using weapons) or something like frequency of using a skil (if I use like ice shard 15times in a fight and one time rock spike to go in posibily to evolve ice shard in ice ball/arrow with a high difference in damage and casting time) and where the you have the different classes of mages or magic users. With all that you can use all the different orders of the factions(light sentinels, lunari, god warriors, different ionians schools etc). I don’t know how hard is that to be done, but will be nice like that.
All classes could be unlocked further into the game, like LV ups. Archer --> Scout --> Marksman General / Scout General ... same with others. I really enjoy games were you can enhance the initial class, and choose your own upgrades.
@@captainobvious8037 the good thing about this system is that you can always add more upgrades in future expansions. If its well implemented, it should not be that complex.
@@kairo8155 The most important thing about it is the variety of classes the system automatically comes with. Diversity is important, but i trust em witht that. The combat system will decide the games faith.
in my opinion, regarding the clases some of them could be classes that you are locked in the start and some like the alchemist could be jobs that give you the option to make certain items for use in battle, and some could even be included as simple item by them selves like the mage seekers items, so you could be a warrior that uses the mage seeker thingy, also regarding the darking, they could be legendery items of minor darking or darking shards that were made in to weapons
There could always be "main" classes that you could eventually take a quest in certain regions to evolve into a specialization. That way, you don't overcomplicate the starting classes and keep the exclusivity to a region. Like a Warrior or Gunslinger that can specialize as a Sentinel of Light in Demacia.
I could see them doing the variations of each class like you said, with some minor "origin-locked" classes, they could also try to take inspiration from wow's talent specializations or you get access to a more advanced version of the class, i.e: you start as a rogue but eventually learn techniques from the kinkou once you hit a certain level. I could see the sentinels being their own "origin" in general as a sort of expansion, kinda like how WoW did with Demon Hunters in legion, and the different weapons would be the differeny specs you could choose from (sword, gun, etc). I think riot would be able to redeem the shitshow that the ruination was with this kind of expansion, rather than just giving demacia the overall "Sentinel" title/class
The Yordles' immortality is something very interesting to me. While it certainly is implied they're just magic energy that dissipates if they 'die', Gwen's cards in LoR all feature ghosts in a big celebration, and among them there are two characters (one in Ghastly Band and another card-less yordle) who appear to be among the crowd. So it seems like they /can/ somehow die, or at the very least become ghosts.
I think you should also include the voidborn, and kassadin and kaisa. The voidborn are completely different from everyone else, even other voidborn, kaisa has a void creature fused with her, and kassadin can use void energy
Well. If you have time (no hardware required), you can play as a space pilot from 10 000 year in the future, when space will be like liquid. That's called "Eve Online".
I think it could be really cool if you break down each 'class' into what makes it the way it is, and possibly work on a subclass system. For example, if you chose two base classes and combined them, you would end up with some of the classes mentioned here. Someone who chose two of the same class, such as double assassin could well become a shadow assassin from ionia, a warrior who then chose a mage could become an ionian bladedancer, a mage who chose warlock/demonology as a second class could become a hemomancer, while a double warlock could become a void prophet, etc etc. Theres a lot to iron out as to how different areas could affect this, but it could be a cool idea to allow more options while still keeping a unique identity, without being crazily impossible to make all 50 or so different classes individually.
Factions could work like Everquest, where you start Dubious or Kill on Sight with a faction, but can raise it through quests and killing mobs. Each character can become good faction with any faction.
I love your idea of flavoring the same classes into different region specific variants and think the guild wars style of elite specializations is a good reference. For maybe the early levels you learn basic skills that everyone in that class can keep, but as they progress in levels and regions players earn skill points by gaining favor from said region. They can then use those points in skill treed for that region specific "subclass" (vanguard, beserker, blademaster, etc) that way by the time the entire game comes out you don't need five different warrior classes but you can have one warrior spec into all the different types. Obviously for balance purposes they can only use one tree at a time. This will allow people to also have their own micro communities based on their overall classes as well as their favorite variants. The playstyles are varied and unique but also require the player to work for them in a satisfying way as they complete each regions story mode. A lot of players love having a single character they invest everything into but aesthetic players like me will likely buy extra character slots so they can specifically have a combo they like. I would love to have a vastayan shadow ninja (in this example let's flavor it as the general rouge class) eventually they can grind piltover points to use the skills of a warden sniper or lunari assassin but it since wouldn't feel accurate I'd probably want an extra character(s) for it
All classes start the same but specialize later on depending on the region noxus well focus on aggressive attacking frejlord will focus on defensive and lasting in combat etc
Why do you even think it will have classes? Maybe it's "your class is defined by your gear", or maybe there are only a few archetypes that have 30 abilities, but you can only choose 8 abilities at a time, or maybe it's the same as GW2. There's no reason to discuss classes when we know absolutely nothing about the actual game. There's are so many different mmorpgs with so many different kinds of customisation and progression... We have no idea which direction they will go. I pray it's going to have class and combat of Tera or Lost Ark, but it might have some awful tab-targeting system with 20 year old class design that has limited options because of "lore".
@@dankmemes8254 they also have a lot of devs who worked on WoW. I won't even be surprised if it's going to be a mobile mmo. It has such a great potential, but it also has a great potential to be generic or worse. The world of mmorpgs is filled with mediocre garbage, there are only a few games that are fun to play and grind.
sounds fun to play . i do like to see every class have a unique ability base on their starting zone or the faction they come from rather same warrior just diffrent skins . for example , pirate warrior fight differently from frost warrior . i know its a long and time consuming to make such a class . but it worth seeing somthing very new to mmo . I played wow for many years and wished to see an mmo with classes based on their faction and locations .
I think there's a lot to be learned from ESO's class system. Your actual "class" or "build" is made up of several components. The 3 subclasses of your main class, the weapons you wield, your armour, your race, your allegiance with specific guilds. So you can have two different players both select the "dragonknight" class, and end up not having a single common ability between their builds at the end of the day. I think Riot's MMO could do something similar. Where you first demonstrated the massive differences in martial classes between regions, my first thought was that you could have some basic "fighter" tree that is shared across the board no matter what. With a few abilities like "charge" etc. And then every class would *also* get a region specific tree for their class. As well as being able to choose a subclass that could be related to their region as well. So in total your class would be made up of 3 parts. 1. Archetype - across all regions. 2. Class - region specific 3. Subclass - potentially region specific, including some overlap. Then, like ESO, you could unlock and equipt different skills and passives to create your "build". And from that point, you could probably just pull your archetypes from League's own class system with marksmen, fighters, mages, tanks, enchanters, etc.
as far as classes go i think the best (albeit ambitious) way to go about classes is have the core 4, Rogue/Assassin Tank, Warrior and Support and have your race also determine your subclass cause it's gonna be really weird if we have Frejlordians running around with Sentinel guns or Zaunites trying to shoot a bow and arrow
It would be interesting if they took a page from Mabinogi's book. Unlocked class system-classes are only used to increase your exp gain for those skills and can be switched out once a week. They could implement a title system so if you rank up warrior skills and are from a specific region, you get the title of whatever that regions warrior is.
I think it'll be better to start with something general and shape your "simple" class into your unique one by vertical advancing options (like by praying, ascending, mastering, exploring grinding). So imagine starting as a warrior and ascending a mount targon at level 500 and evolving your class into the next aspect of war (just a hope this can be achieved) or conversely becoming a darkin after doing some advancement missions and satisfying hard conditions
i would love riot's MMO class to be based like the anime Overlord. you can choose your base class (etc warrior) and through leveling you can add skillpoints into sub class/weapons/magic or whatever you wish to learn. And so every warrior in the game is completely unique. you will have brawler warriors, mage warriors, necromancer warriors, tank warrior and so on.
That Yuumi fly by! You never fail to deliver in intellect, lore, or humor! I am so looking forward to this MMO but more so on your next take on what us plebe's can actually hope for alongside you, even if such devices never make it into the game you still manage to make it fun just to fantasize on what could be! If the Dev's and Writers are given the chance over corporate greed and cashing in at the fandom's expense, they will have created the stuff of legends!
The issue of classes could probably be addressed in a cool way if they do something like Archeage, where your class is made up of a combination of specialty trees you choose as you level. Would help with the massive list of possibilities they have to work with, I think.
Since weapons are such a unique part of the LOL fantasy, I'd love to see unique weapon customization and unique weapon powers/ interactions. I think it would be funny if you were playing as a Vastaya and for some reason you were using a petricite weapon, somehow, you would take damage over time while it was equipped or suffer a debuff that reduced your speed or cut your magic power in half.
Ya know petricite stuffs are literally just magic battery right? They don't dispel magic, they absorb it. Rather than a debuff, it could work as an extra reserve of mana
@@Vizible21 But those leeches can't suck forever, can they? The walls and buildings of Demacia are SATURATED with magic because they have been absorbing it for hundreds of years with out actually expending it. That's one of the reason why Sylas was so powerful in the comic
I think that having different visuals for the same abilities might not be something that Riot wants to do. I mean, Riot has time and time again shown and talked about how important visual clarity is. But then again, there are skins that alter the appearance of abilities so who knows. Maybe they'll do it to some lesser extent, where the ability is still clearly recognizable despite the change of appearance
Having some kind of mixable class system would be nice. And a good way to fit in many of the more niche classes. Like a Demacian origin + Assassin + Utility-Class = Mage Seeker. Like, pick your origin and one of 5-8 starting classes at creation. And then around level 10 pick one of the other classes to make a different class.
I feel there'll be base classes or roles: Tank, DPS, Ranged, Magic, Healer, Support and those will be split into probably 2-3 subclasses each. 6-8 base classes each getting 2-3 subclasses gives a lot of variety in playstyles and should cover the majority of the characters in LoL. As for each location having a different version of each class this could be done through equipment, dialogue, and titles. Maybe each place gives you some different skills unique to the starting area but you can travel to the other areas to get those later on.
My MMO experience is around 5 hours of WoW (2 of which was downloading and installing it), so I'm not entirely sure how classes work. But here's how I hope they will. You can't pick your classes. Insead you're given a *massive* skill tree which *grows* when you complete certain quests. The skills you pick from said skill tree change your class dynamically and *locks* certain skills that would be incompatible with your class. So for example you could see a player that has "Frostguard Swordmaster" next to their name who wouldn't be able to learn sand magic but can still learn some arcane spells. And another example, if you've gone too deep the "Demacian Knight" route, all magic skills are locked but you gain access to more advanced/epic tehcniques as well as heavily increased magic resistance.
This sounds like a really cool idea for a single player RPG but not so much for an MMO. As they are going for the Holy Trinity and will have dungeons / raids in the game it just doesn't work. You could make a very fun, creative build but if it doesn't have the DPS/HPS/or Threat/Mitigation then you are putting a performance tax on everyone you group up with. By which I mean everyone else needs to perform to accommodate for having lower dps / hps / mitigation in the group. You can get around this by either: 1. Homogenizing all the options such that you end up around the same power level. This would kill a lot of the neat flavor and customizability while being a balance nightmare. 2. Making the content so trivial that any build is able to do it. This just makes the game boring and faceroll for everyone. Creativity and Customization in MMOs is less "Pick the tools you want to bring to the fight" and more "Here are the tools for your class. Find creative ways to use them to defeat encounters"
@@athieshgaming2659 no fuck the holy trinity its overused and I am done with it. Kill it entirely. Everyone has their own tank, healing, damage stats based on how they skill themselves up and pick their armour. You decide how you want to play the game not a class premade for you. So done with it its time an mmo reinvents the wheel
You could also have void-corrupted as a playable race, or some form of void-kin like Malzahar or Kai'Sa. There's also demons like Tahm Kench, that while he specifically is rather powerful, you can have minor demons that are about as strong as a powerful human
On the table at 15:19 yordles are an X for Targon, but we have seen yordles there through the LoR card Mentor of Stones. This is the only one I can think of, but I think it would be cool to see yordles representing aspects other than The Protector. I agree with the X at the moment, but I definitely see the potential for yordles to be set as a more present there.
I mean, his Argument for yordels also makes sense but then there is Poppy, i dont know if there is anything Special about Poppy that protects her against the Petricite but yea
I really hope they'll have automatons as a playable race, although I doubt it since robot races are rather unpopular in most games, even if they exist. If they're going to be in the game it will probably be when/if there's a major extension around Piltover and Zaun.
14:40 It would be really cool if sometime in the future there would be a raid in which one could acquire a Darkin weapon and this weapons acts as a customization item which gives you the appearance of a darkin
I want the Vastaya race to have the option for specific Vastaya like the bat guy from Arcane. I just want to be bat man. As for all the different kinds of warriors and mages and things, they could always make a archetype class and then you could specialize in a specific type of warrior and mage. Like a skill tree.
ok i had an idea with the warriors and other classes that might share lots of things. In Kritika online, each class has 2 forms you choose em like at level 15, maybe each class has like 1 or 2 unique abilities based on origin like the warrior from ionia gets faster attacks or noxus uses big bulky strikes
I think there's basically 4 ways they can do classes, the typical basic class with specialisations. The new world approach where you class abilities are tied to what weapons you pick. The arche age pick 3 "classes" to generate a unique combination class. Or do like a node system from something like path of exiles or something similar.
Originally I listed like 4 different ideas for how the classes could work in this game but ultimately - I just want Riot to do something unique and creative with their MMO that will feel right within the world they've created. And if that meant having to start in a specific region to be able to play a class (for example having to start in Demacia to play a Mageseeker) that's fine by me.
I kind of hope they simply don't do specific classes. I'd much prefer a more open approach to character creation, by basing each character on the archetypes from LoL - or something. Tanks, bruisers, support, ranged and melee dps would be perfect to define the base classes. Then choose magic or physical damage - ideally there would be a lot of characters that are hybrids, too. Then further refine it by choosing a regional specialization and a weapon specialization. Boom! Now you have your character! So, a character would be a magic tank from Ionia who fights unarmed and BANG! You have a mini-Udyr! Original version, not whatever garbage they've done to him recently. Physical bruiser from Mt. Hyjal with spear and shield and you have a Mantheon type character. The hard part will be making each choice significant and somewhat balanced.
@@SouthernGuy5423 not a bad idea actually. but i still want faction pride to play somewhat of a role and that kind of works . if we are able to start anywhere based on origin that will still kill the lore for me.
@@SouthernGuy5423 I think they could have most or all classes available to all regions/starting zones, but then have only certain subclasses available to certain regions. Or for the cases of being a mage in Demacia the starting area/quest could be breaking out of prison and escaping.
@@FineSugarSwine Sure, where did I say otherwise? A warrior in the Ionian style could have grown up and trained there and then moved to Demacia - or their teacher could have, or w/e. Its a label for the style of combat. Demacian warriors are traditionally like medieval knights, while Ionians are more like Japanese samurai... and so on. On the other hand, I don't think that convenience absolutely has to trump everything else. RP reasoning is important, as well. I wouldn't be horribly upset if you had to start in a certain area or complete a big quest in order to gain access to certain types of abilities.
I feel like a prestige class/subclass type system could work. Where you start as warrior with basic abilities all warriors get but as you level up you get specialized abilities based on whether you are part if the Trifarian Legion or Freljordian Berserker for example.
Make each champion have a playable class follower(the players character). Each start region different depending on which champ they choose to follow for their class. At the start, only use a certain number of Champs, like 10-20. Release a new class along with a new champ to train under for each expansion. This would lock certain classes into their corresponding lore region as well as limit which race they pick depending on the races that exist in the region(region based, not faction based). After you follow the champion to learn your abilities, you either get separated from them or leave them after the starting zone. Then you can explore runetera with whatever class you want to play as while having champion pride based on league of legends. Which is what will make this game really take off. Because everyone loves their fav champ. (Diana here I come!)
My ideas for the Races: It would be awesome to have some kind of questline, where you could ascend or become a darkin later on in the game. The issue with helmets and or boots can be overcome by either disabling the visuals for certain races or make special gear for them. I personally would love it, if there would be some kind of monster-like character to be played in the mmo. With the shurima expansion they could introduce the fusion race of people who merged with the void. Instead of leveling only your class you may evolve your race with some cool extra gimmicks. My ideas for the Classes: Imagine Riot's MMO has no typical classes. Instead of playing out classes like in normal MMO's, in Runeterra you get to choose a Path to follow. The Path determines which kind of skills you can learn and which Path specialized quest you can get, but you won't skill into your path normally. You will learn skills and abilities through your actions. Wanting to be a paladin? Work in demacia and follow the Aspect of Justice. Learn different Swordstyles? Go to each country and learn from the locals. You don't determine who you are only through your classname and your level, but through the path you walked to become who you wanted to be. Given that you could technically learn everything in the World of Runeterra with this system, you could limit the access to the skills by your Path or by a restricion to the number of skills that can be used at a time. One big pro of this method would be, that you can implement any kind of ability and identity that is possible in the game, but the con is that it would be harder to balance, since min-maxing is a lot easier with this method.
Darkin lore just doesn't make sense as a playable characters. THey are meant to be the bad guy. And their power also make doing contents really weird. Like why do i lose to this tiny void monsters when i am a freaking darkin. It just doesn't feel right
Darkin would be late game character, which you can only obtain through either an darkin item (probably the highest rarity) or through ascending and then corrupting, which would be also lategame (probably level 80-90 out of 100). At that point of the game most void monsters (and maybe playable characters) would've probably gone through 4 or 5 adaptations to the world and thus be extremly powerful. And even other races could at that point become aspects or ascend, master a World Rune or make a pact with a celestial being and thus gain the ability to hold on against a darkin. Of course it would be hard to balance to give the special experience, but i don't think it is impossible to make
@@Diagala19 There's a lots of problem with this. First, darkin is special because they are rare. Seeing them running around just shattered that whole point. 2nd, they are too powerful, regardless of how high lv you are. You are still expected to play mortal like characters. Such godlike entities just doesn't make for a good comprehensive story. Unless you severely nerf them, which threw away the whole point of darkin being unstoppable. Furthermore, darkin are the weapons. Which also mean that on a lore standpoint, you shouldn't swap your weapons around which defeat the purpose of an RPG
Given the absurd amount of class division, it could be an option for riot to make a scaled down version of Path of Exile pasive tree for each class, in the sense, an ability or class tree where, depending where you are from, you start in a different part of the tree and gives you easier access to what would be more thematic to your origin, but still not limiting you out from what that class might do in other places. Would be a hella lot of work, but i mean, they have a hella lot of work to do eitherway and they already have the lore so that part is semi covered
I actually love this idea so much. It fits the world where anyone can do anything if they really want to!
There was an mmo that kind of did this already, it didn't quite work out but having you pick like, multiple specializations could be cool too.
that would ne a really cool feature
@@DiviNazuphus do you remember what it was called?
That won't work. It'll be hell to balance. It's not like Guild Wars 2 where races have different origins. Some regions in runeterra have concurrent races. So it's better to just make it uniform and restrict some races in some regions like demacia.
We all know:
1.- Necrit is working with Riot to make the MMO
or
2.- The ppl in Riot watches Necrit to make the Lore/Races for the MMO
Sadly Riot doesnt care and only wants money. Its a company like EA. They try but money is the main goal.
It makes me sad because with this world you could do so much awesome stuff.
@@MrMajesticJack Even for riot games with the amount of money they make, making an MMO is a heavy investment. Which simply means they gotta find a way to make money.
@@MrMajesticJack dude if they want money they could've cancelled arcane. Still it's a business stop acting like not thinking about money is good even for this ip.
@@MrMajesticJack lmao who doesn't want money? without money there would be no Valorant, no Arcane, no Runeterra and no MMO. Stop acting like wanting money is inherently bad thing, especially for a huge company trying to expand. And even then, Riot isn't the greediest company out there, compared to most other big companies they are more on the player friendly side
@@pepega9867 you get me wrong. Yes they need money. But dont let that be the main priority and let everything else fall and therefore make money grabbing crap.
Yes as a company you need money i get that and i understand. I do the same. But quality over quantity.
One thing worth mentioning is crafting classes! Being a Demacian crafter would be worlds apart from a Shuriman or Ionian crafter, and I think there's a unique way make each crafter feel interesting besides what kind of equipment they can make. Perhaps having each nation represent a discipline and giving crafters the ability learn parts of other disciplines, and create their own unique recipes in addition to standard equipment or item making!
The way I see it with the vast amount of classes I can see riot doing something similar to Maplestory. There's the 5 core classes which are warrior/mage/assassin/archer/(pirate/gunner) but if you notice maplestory has like 40+ playable classes. What they did is basically reskin one of the core classes to create a totally new class but they still maintain its core weapon.
Yes! this is what I was about to comment. I play Maple and I can say that this system works wonders. It's not even needed to "reskin" the core class, nowadays the 40+ classes Maplestory has are basically all unique on its own way, it obviously will take a very very long time to get all 40 classes up and running with all of them having it's unique playstyle, but theres absolutely no reason to release all of them AT ALL. In my honest opinion, 5-10 classes could make the game have a strong baseline, similar to what Lost Ark had at the moment of global release, and then slowly adding new classes and maybe even reworking certain parts of already existing classes, alongside expansions and new content. This is the apporach Maplestory took over the past 10 years and my god let me tell you that nowadays having 40+ classes to choose from is VERY wild and sometimes overwhelming but also VERY interesting and feels very unique. Sometimes you even have this feeling that *THAT* class was made for you.
I imagine they'd start with the class archetypes directly from league - marksman, assassin, juggernaut, etc and then build 'prestige' or 'subclasses' out from there. If you wanted to bring in the region pride, even better! For example, rolling a fighter would give you a core set of abilities but then you could go to Freljord to train as a berserker, Demacia to train as a knight, or Noxus to train as a legionaire. Assassins could go to Ionia to train as a ninja or Demacia to train as a mageseeker. Mages could go to ixtal to train as an elementalist, Freljord to train as a shaman, and so much more.
Maybe Riot could add hemomancer (followers of Vladimir) and blood warrior (followers of the darkin) as the ocult subclasses not making vampire/demon/darkin directly playable but tapping into similar abilities
that´s actually a good idea!
Maplestory style
I would like for them to allow us to ally with champions in game, I would kill to be one of Rengars hunters or hang out with Zac XD
@@decidueyezealot8611 that would also be nice
Actually, they could go with base classes that lead to region-specific second classes. Then use future expansions to introduce more second classes. They could also do something like Dragon’s Dogma and allow for spontaneous class changes and they could introduce hybrid classes as unlockable after reaching a certain level of proficiency as two different prerequisite classes.
I would love if they introduce multi classing like in dnd
Something like elite specialisations from Guild Wars 2 could be cool too. For example I can imagine an elite spec for a mage and warrior class of each region with some unique skills.
This is also what I was thinking of. Start with the basic classes based on League’s already established ones, like Juggernauts, Tanks, Mages, Marksmen, Etc., then have subclasses that can be acquired from regions in the game.
maybe if you die with an item you could become like mordekaiser
@@rimurutempest4945 Eh? Tank sound silly as a MMO's class. It's mostly refer to as a role more than a class
I feel like you’re thinking too hard about classes, and it’ll be broken down how they do in league, ie: Controller, Fighter, Mage, Marksman, Slayer, Tank, and Specialist all having their own respective subclasses to cover some of the more niche stuff. Race wise I think you’re spot on, but maybe they’ll sneak in Voidborn or something, but I feel play for the void leans toward the faction based gameplay, so it’s hard to say.
u have obviously never watched a necrit video before because every video he does is long and well thought out....lul "thinking too hard", welcome to necrit
Do you mean Assassin, Fighter, Mage, Marksman, Tank and Support?
@@ACE112ACE112 I mean what I said, as I literally listed the classes listed in the league client.
@@josephbrown9336 Guess we have different clients? Cause i swear i have never seen or heard of controller, slayer or specialist role in league
@@FriendOfLegolas controller was the rename for support, slayer was the rename for assassin, and specialist is for champions that don’t fit into any one category.
I think it would be (kind of impractical but) really cool to make a class evolution system. Kinda like in ffxiv but more expansive. Like you can only pick from 6 basic classes when you start, but you can choose what you evolve the class into at a later point.
Let's say you choose the Mage class to start. You reach a certain level or story event and you get a quest telling you to go find someone for further training. It then prompt you to go to one of multiple options, which option you choose would then determine what your class evolves into. Like if you go to Demacia as a mage you willingly get the magic sucked out of you or something, are given a special rock, and become a mageseeker, but if you to Ionia instead you become a Spirit Mage, and if you go to Piltover you become a Hextech/Chemtech Engineer.
this sounds dope, but people are gonna mid-max this
@@srissy9739 never been a problem in lots of korean mmos
LOVE these speculation videos. So fun to think about actually walking around and exploring this world
Yes, inhaling massive amounts of Copium about us getting PVE is definitely good for this man. He should keep it up.
@@Lunethia surely it won’t turn into a crypto simulator
@@Lunethia wdym?
It's annoying tbh. He's not even saying outright that these are all speculative, which makes me cringe more.
These gets me so hype for the game
I just want to play an Ionian Blademaster. They do that and they own me for life.
How they handle the factions is something i'm interested in. I'm kind of hoping they go for more of a reputation approach and allow you to earn/lose rep based off actions you take. I kind of want them to let us all start without a faction and let us gravitate towards the one(s) we like. Balancing the rewards would be hell though. I feel like they would all have to be cosmetic.
For Vastaya, i'm hoping they don't try to limit them so they have things they can add in the future. Just add them and add more options as time goes on.
I feel like a somewhat Guild Wars 2 character creation style could work for this game. Each GW2 race has their own starting area, and within that area the choices you make during creation shape your personal story until all of the "personal" stories merge into the main storyline towards the end of the base game. No stat differences between the actual races but the class you pick changes what armor and weapons you can use, and later class specializations add weapons each class can use. Per class, each weapon gives you 5 different skills and then you can choose 5 more skills depending on what spec trees you go down. There's so much more and I'm a pretty casual GW2 player, but I love the system compared to something like WoW. The personal stories that stem from your choices during creation have several branching paths that all end up back in the same place, but you still feel like your choices mean something. I also feel like this could work well for the whole class/origin issue you mentioned. Maybe depending on your starting location and class, you get access to different weapons which each have their own skills, although that could get a bit complicated with the sheer number of potential starting locations. (all I want is to either be able to play a Lunari right from the start or a cool ass vastaya, and if Riot can pull this off I'm anticipating the best character creator to ever exist)
I'm actually just about to start a Dungeons and Dragons themed adventure with my family who has never seen the world of Runeterra before and this was a life saver for which races to recommend them to play. This is perfectly timed and I thank you!
Did they have fun
If you look online, there is a dnd 5e "book" online that has all the Runeterran races, bonuses, as well as region and class bonuses. I started a runeterra campaign also and found it very useful
oh wow, if you're planning to do a campaign online... would love to join in
Teach me how to dungeon master
@@katarinaducouteau5729 And where could I find it? I've found only Dark Tides of Bilgewater which doesn't really help with vastaya and Runearcana which stands on 5e, but balance system pretty much different. I'm running the 5e Bilgewater campain and I just "recreate" the vastaya, minotaurs(slightly) and even ironbacks (little turtles in Bilgewater)
If anything these classes could be subclasses of the larger, broader class, for example, you start as warrior and to become an enforcer you'd have to talk to maybe a recruiter in piltover, etc. Each class doesn't have to branch far from the main class, each subclass could each have a couple special skills and passive effects. Not necessarily an entirely new skill tree because that might be too much work for them, but having different gameplay expression for, let's say a demacian rogue and a bilgewater rogue would definitely be a step in a good direction
Love this idea!
Id love to be a Brawler type, and learn from Ionia how to delve into the Dragon punches and martial arts. Great ideas.
Exactly my thought, make unique classes into upgrade / specialization classes, from warrior then upgrade into blademaster if you go to a blademaster trainer then unlocks blademaster gears & skills.
@@togodragon Or, a brawler type, but you sub class into shaman in Freijlord
That's not how mmorpgs work.
Your work is amazing!
It got me super interested in the lore, the probable classes and highly interested in this game.
I quite like the "skin" idea where the regions are mostly cosmetic but could also have some stat differences and maybe one or two exclusive spells or such.
The main classes could be warrior, mage and ranged.
Also imagine a void expansion adding the option to make you have an additional "void touched" option as a region or as a special modifier/ region swap on an already existing character
I think a great starting point for the MMO would be Bilgewater.
It makes everyone start in the same area (If you wanna play with friends), every race can be there (because its a big harbor thing) and you could go everywhere from there (because its a big harbor thing).
Piltover could just teleport you anywhere, so that makes sense too.
Edit: Actually just Noxus, but Noxus is so big (and invasive) that I wouldn't be surprised if they've set up Gates in foreign territories.
I wanna be Piltover's Finest!
I feel like bilgewater will either be a trade city or a future expansion
Terrible idea, Simply just from the fact that having everyone in one place especially at the start would probably make the game near unplayable server/performance wise... Would be a good place for everyone to have access to like a neutral city, and have the shadow isles or whatever it's called as an event that happens every Halloween where you help fend off the dead and stuff like that.
for me its ionia i just loves ninjas 😁
I really hope that A: it will be set in a third person perspective instead of top down and B: they lean into the ability to roleplay like with FFXIV and ESO. Not only is it a great activity if you're into it, but it can allow the game to make money through the selling of cosmetics as well. I can tell you from first hand experience, people will throw loads of money to get a good transmog or outfit going.
I would be shocked if it's an isometric game. With all of the people they're bringing who have worked on games like WoW, GW2, WildStar, Witcher 3 and LotRO, I would say it's very likely to be in third person.
it will be third person
And i hope they dont scale down the world, if the graphic is anything like their artwork, i want it to be huge
They confirmed a 3rd person perspective.
ghostcrawler has also mentioned that it will be more than just a quest grind and you can truly live and feel you are a part of runeterra, so its safe to assume there will be plenty more than just the raw gameplay
The kinkou may also be an interesting idea for a paladin class. It is shown that while they will assassinate mortals/spirits to preserve the balance, protection and prevention of conflict takes priority. As such the kinkou are able to cast magic barriers to protect themselves and others, something that a paladin class would do.
Thank you so much for making this content! I do not play League of Legends but I have played a lot of other games. Your videos help me learn about and explore this fantastical world. It guides those of us who have not played the game into the wonderous history, diverse geography and gives us a solid understanding of the inhabitants, their daily lives, lore and motivations. It also gives us a solid foundation to go into the future MMORPG so that those of us who are "new" won't feel so lost and alone. :D
Also the fact that people can randomly be born with a specific kind of magic regardless of where they are from (Lux-light, Annie-fire, Rell-metal, Taliyah-Earth) they could be a cool mage class option, there's also the region incentive ones like Elemental Magic in Ixtal, Earth/Sand bending in Shurima, Electric/Wind magic in Ionia. Being a something bender due to being born with magical ability regardless of where you are from is something that makes sense in this universe. Also technically the sentinels of light are located on multiple places of Runeterra if we go by the ruination event, so sentinels can also be in Piltover and other places.
I could see the sentinel class being something you achieve through questing. It'd limit your options after choosing it, but having to work for it. More like how Vayne joined after the fight with ruined Shyvana.
Necrits on a roll. Hope he can keep it up for the 6 years until the mmo is out
i actually agreed when asmon said he thinks it’ll be done in 2-3 years. talking about a game 6 years before release usually leads to it’s downfall
@@TheHornetX True lol, FF7R is the exception that I'd say though
love how you offer amazing insight into what an MMO and also what an RPG is supposed to be like.
You don't have to think traditionally when it comes to classes. I wanna see them try the route of ditching classes for the most part and just making weapons and armor with totally unique attributes that define your playstyle. I'm someone who really likes when you can mess around with wacky builds. It sounds wrong, but I'm very sure most of us would still end up building an identity around our favorite builds.
If you want progression, I really like what old old Spiral Knights has, where equipment is placed into tiers of power. The low tier items you start off with would be very straightforward, but as you upgrade your gear they may split off into different upgrade paths, so gearing becomes increasingly deep.
Take the Guild Wars route, the New World systems are boring repetitive and shit, Guild Wars is much more interesting combat
Kinda like Albion
I can see the Ascended, Celestials, and Darkin working as high level rewards where you become one for completing certain events. Not Lore accurate gods per say, but more like a prestige class.
doubt it tbh, It's kinda like having WoW players be Titans or Old Gods.
really hope not, MMOs have to stop making players super powerful beings, we cant all be gods or the ultimate heroes, etc...
nah, they're much more suited to be raid bosses or perhaps even quest giver npcs.
that would be really broken tho. like imagine lore accurate ascended and celestials in league
@@nanopix5305 I think what he meant was like a sort of achievement, like a title or something like that. Not actually providing insane stats or something.
I think that classes could be done in a way with the classes used in league of legends (assassin, marksman, mage, fighter, support) and based on your origin could have subclasses with different equipment associated with them. For example say you're an assassin from Ionia, so your sub class options could be kinkou or shadow order assassins, based on what abilities and equipment your character uses.
Man i was about to say the same thing man. Seriously think this would be not only the easiest it most effective way to fit all the amazing classes into the game. Double thumbs up for you homie. 👍🏻👍🏻
Too complicated, they'd have to make too many subclasses and we'll have balance issues like in LoL
@@fitmotheyap I don't think they'd have to balance that many subclasses, since they'd be separated only by equipment and abilities but still have the basic perks of that class (staying on the example, both kinds of ionian assassins would have the same base stats and base abilities, with the only difference being what they wear and the utility they provide via movement abilities [kinkou being more supportive, while shadow order being agressive])
Imo it would be the simplest way to introduce a class system, but to each their own i guess.
I think the sub class thing would be a bit too complicated and would mean that there are like 6+ different versions of assassins among other things. I think instead it would be interesting if you started as the "subclass" and you need to go to the other subclass area to become your main class. So for instance, you start as a Kinkou ninja subclass and you go to the Shadow Order subclass area to become an assassin.
You could even go a bit further and allow players to mix and match kinda like how Ashes of Creation will in that say, you start as a Kinkou ninja but then you go to one of the tank subclass areas and learn that set of skills to allow you to mix them and essentially end up with something like Shen, a ninja that is a tank.
the only problem with having different subclasses depending on the origin is a bad balancing act [which given how League itself is balanced, you can see would be an issue]
it would likely be easier to just have ninja as a separate class for the Ionia expansion [with Kinkou and Shadow Order sub classes]
Thanks for all the effort and time you put into these videos, much appreciated! =]
gods i love how you break everything down to digestible info. great content as always
An interesting idea for how classes could work is your skills being based on the type of weapon you wield rather than a set archetype like warrior/mage. It could be similar to the Souls series were weapon classes like greatsword, curved sword, axe, etc. could level up separately to your character. Character levels would let you increase your stats while weapon level would unlock more skills for that weapon type. Not sure how difficult that would be to implement or balance but it sounds like a good way to allow lots of player freedom and customization regardless of what race/region you pick!
Guild Wars 2 does something similar to this, your "basic abilities" determined by the weapon you have equipped with your more utility abilities determined by the class and specializations you chose to pick.
This is what New world did/does, it would have been awesome, if it wasnt new world. The system itself was super cool for me, but the game itself dragged it down
That just sounds like a good way to funnel specific classes into only using a certain weapon type because it does the most damage/dps and keep people from using other weapons cause like in wow when weapon skills were a thing you could get this really good axe but oh wait, your axe proficiency is 24/250 so its pretty much useless to you until you level it up, so now you just run around killing random mobs for hours just to level it up so its actually useful. I'd rather just have it be the class has the same abilities but it can use different weapons that fit that class, maybe change the animations for the abilities for such weapons at most but having a new world 2.0 situation doesn't sound good. On top of that Ghostcrawler already said they are focusing more on less customization for better balance and gameplay so I doubt they would implement that type of mechanic but I could be wrong though I doubt thats the case. Also I don't know if you're saying that what race/region is chosen to start as affects what weapons you can use but they also said that races are pretty much cosmetic only and wont effect what class you can play and such, so I doubt they would lock certain weapons if you were a yordle than a human.
Fancy seeing you here. hehe
no.
I say that, because a lot of games do that. FF14 is basically that exactly waht you are saying. Not saying its a bad system, but... I don't think it has to be simply locked to weapons. They can simply lock it to classes, that can be swapped. I honeslty think its best, if you had to do side quests to unlock all sorts of different classes, and you can set up alt skills from those classes after you leveld them or completing their class quest. This way, you can still use what ever weapon you want, without having to be locked into a class by a weapon.
I alweays hated being locked into a class or weapon. My problem with WOW and FF14. I want to use the waepon I want, with the class I want. Not have to play around the limited choice weapons of the class, or play the class the weapon is locked into.
24:30 I wanna see a cinematic of where Azir arrives alone to a battlefield in the Shuriman desert where he'd be facing an army. The commander of the army would ask him something along the lines of "You came alone to beg for the lives of your people? That's quite noble of you, but it's not going to happen." Then Azir would just summon an army of sand soldiers with a movement of his hand while replying "My will is the will of Shurima. It shall once again, stretch to the horizons." After saying this, there'd be a bird's eye view of both armies and the sand soldiers would stretch literally as far as the eye can see in every direction behind Azir. 👀😂.
Would be a super cool raid event, only issue i see is performance issues for low end systems for having to render so many players and Sand NPCs
@@AkumaGS Going from experience, having to chew through hundreds of enemies simply isn't fun (maybe fun once as a power trip, see Kingdom Hearts 2). This would work far *far* better as a badass cinematic as opposed to a raid encounter.
@@webbowser8834 I mean, a raid that is for an event, like the star guardians game mode in LoL a few years ago, so something that just happens once
Perhaps Shurima was meant to fall.
That would be a cool cinematic
30:05 good sir, as father myself of a 2 year old son, I cannot deny that your plan is brilliant.
Idea: have 4/5 base classes (Warrior, Rogue, Marksman, Mage…) but have each of them be different based on the players faction. You can be a warrior in the Dauntless Vanguard, then defect and become a Trifarian Legion warrior, changing your playstyle
I stand by how hilarious it is, that after all these videos and time, necrit is still so goofy and awkward on camera. Everything he says is great. All the races seem on point. The classes, good Lord the classes...
That last MMO vid got crazy views and attention from MMO fans. My man Necrit getting that bag. Hope this one pops off too.
We definitely NEED a Voidborn class. Or at least one class tied to the void. I would be such a waste not to have one, since Bel'veth has already shown that voidbornes can go rogue, and defy the watchers ideals
And how would you justify pretty much every other race not killing them. Friendly reminder: They seek to consume anything and everything for the sake of nothingness. Despite Bel'Veth going rogue, she, at the end, want's to consume everything and rebuild it so she can stay alive. Kha'Zix consumes anything to evolve for the sake of becoming the ultimate predator. Vel'Koz disintegrates anything for the sake of knowledge.
I can't see them being playable since they are portrayed as the enemy of all reality, programmed to annihilate everything.
I can only imagine them introducing unique NPCs for the sake of story or, if anything, introduce some kind of a "void tainted" human class like Kassadin, Kai'Sa or Malzahar. Humans with otherworldly purplish looking powers.
Interesting to know that regions in this world are already mixed as I really like the idea of different starting regions based by race like in WOW classic
Super excited for the runeterra universe to expand into multimedia projects. The future is indeed bright.
Loving the MMO content. Keep it up!!
I am so surprised you never brought up SKILL TREES as a way to change up the classes. So every class could spec into different versions, like the Warriors you mentioned could have a few different skill paths or entire separate skill trees depending on what they want to become.
I kinda had the though, with how you spoke about sand trolls, that they may have been kept vague and out of sight on purpose, possibly so they can be explored in the MMO, possibly as a playable race.
I feel like Voidcreatures and Demons should be discussed among Races even if there is no way they'll be playable.
Maybe void-touched humanoids?
@@nova_supreme8390 Kai’Sa!
@@nova_supreme8390 yes they could put void summmoners void marksment, void warriors
But I want to be Kog'Maw! q.-.q
Darkins would probably be a special class or something and your skill would depend on the darkin weapon you choose
Yes! Was so happy to see this. I had no clue about League lore, but my gf sent me your last video about the world and after I watched Arcane I fell in love with the Lore of Riot's world. I was glad to see you got recognition from Asmon too and all that comes with that. Great job ^^
For classes, they should make it so people make their own sort of class based off several skill trees. It'll give people the chance to come up with interesting and unique hybrids.
the problem with this systems is the balancing and there will be a "hardcore" meta asap.
making hybrids only make the game imbalance just like all the previous games that have hybrids classes they're dead now. maybe if they make the classes like in AdventureQuest worlds like u will start as a Norm then u can select a master to pick the class u want and just have a skill tree.
21:00 I think the different play styles of the warrior should be defined by the skill tree. That way you can also go full roleplay
I always assumed classes would be: marksmen, tank, enchanter, brawler, assassin, mage… Then each class will have branches, and you can learn signature spells from champions in game. There probably won’t be a chronomancer class, since there’s so few chronomancers, but we can do a quest line for Zilean to unlock a spell, IF we are a mage. Otherwise we unlock a weapon or armor. Or we would be granted an option between the two, but only if we’re a mage
Aw man, what you say makes sense but I do hope it won't be as cut and dry as that. Variants/subclasses within each class aligned to what necrit mentioned (i.e. assassins could branch out to Ionian shadow magic or noxian techniques) would be dope.
An assumption that suggests little understanding of game design, MMOs, and League.
yes my thought exactly
@@sjb_92 Hey man, you seem like a really angry person having gone out of your way to comment something negative and then offer no insight. I hope you're doing well.
@@lavacrush1234 I'm doing well, mate! There was no hint of anger in my comment, I don't think. Just a simple statement.
Instead of being offended, consider that maybe you're wrong about what you said. Then consider your knowledge in the three areas I mentioned. If you realise that you're not all that experienced in any one of those areas, congrats! You found my comment insightful.
I really hope that voidborns will someday appear in the Riot MMO as a playable race. The characters from this region have some of the most interesting and unique designs Riot has ever created.
that would be really hard to customize tho as they can look like anything
Void is definitely going to be the enemy no doubt.
@@sleepyheartss Yeah that’s the issue.
@@Vizible21 I thought about that but characters like kaisa exists. Her void suit seems to be not controlled by whatchers, and kaisa herself fighting void with its help so I guess riot can just give us the acces to the race after some storyline in game
@@glgrmm Yah but people don't want to be a sexy model in a skin tight suit
At least some people playing void champs
nice vid man love the quality
Honestly the more videos that I watch on this topic the more and more am I wishing to just one day get really solid single player RPG in world of League. Would be epic.
It would be pretty cool if the Yordles had a somewhat similar leveling experience as Pandas in World of Warcraft, a place they get to a certain level in, and can get back to whenever they want for RP purposes etc. But only they can. Since noone knows how to get to the yorde place. They could do a "portal" to get there. It would be pretty odd to see other races in Bandle City. How are they supposed to enter buildings? lol. But im sure they could work around that aswell since it would be a pretty cool place to have as a larger zone with actual content.
Another great video, and intentional or not I haven't been this excited for a potential release of a game in SO long. Keep up the amazing work! Hopefully in one the expansions we can play as an "undead" or "cursed" from the shadow isle
Playable Stirred Spirits would be hilarious.
With the races, I agree till a point... they can do it like a subrace thing where you must complete some quest/dungeons or hidden caves randomly spawn on the map by the player choice to have different build and look ofcourse at some lvl thing stage(like touch by the void, robotic, celestial, sun disk, primal god/or three sister, black mist, demons/spirit blessings) ... and about the classes from my view is no classes ... you can achieve a class by putting points in different stats with different subclasses unlocked my quest and items( like in wow was with experience on using weapons) or something like frequency of using a skil (if I use like ice shard 15times in a fight and one time rock spike to go in posibily to evolve ice shard in ice ball/arrow with a high difference in damage and casting time) and where the you have the different classes of mages or magic users. With all that you can use all the different orders of the factions(light sentinels, lunari, god warriors, different ionians schools etc). I don’t know how hard is that to be done, but will be nice like that.
That was so fucking good, great job mate
Amazingly interesting video! Absolutely loving these series!
All classes could be unlocked further into the game, like LV ups. Archer --> Scout --> Marksman General / Scout General ... same with others. I really enjoy games were you can enhance the initial class, and choose your own upgrades.
Yep, that has always been a good system. A bit complex though
@@captainobvious8037 the good thing about this system is that you can always add more upgrades in future expansions. If its well implemented, it should not be that complex.
@@kairo8155 The most important thing about it is the variety of classes the system automatically comes with. Diversity is important, but i trust em witht that. The combat system will decide the games faith.
Man.. this of fckin awesome. Im impressed and standing with my mouth open. Cant imagine how much hours did you put in to make this video.
in my opinion, regarding the clases some of them could be classes that you are locked in the start and some like the alchemist could be jobs that give you the option to make certain items for use in battle, and some could even be included as simple item by them selves like the mage seekers items, so you could be a warrior that uses the mage seeker thingy, also regarding the darking, they could be legendery items of minor darking or darking shards that were made in to weapons
There could always be "main" classes that you could eventually take a quest in certain regions to evolve into a specialization. That way, you don't overcomplicate the starting classes and keep the exclusivity to a region. Like a Warrior or Gunslinger that can specialize as a Sentinel of Light in Demacia.
I could see them doing the variations of each class like you said, with some minor "origin-locked" classes, they could also try to take inspiration from wow's talent specializations or you get access to a more advanced version of the class, i.e: you start as a rogue but eventually learn techniques from the kinkou once you hit a certain level. I could see the sentinels being their own "origin" in general as a sort of expansion, kinda like how WoW did with Demon Hunters in legion, and the different weapons would be the differeny specs you could choose from (sword, gun, etc). I think riot would be able to redeem the shitshow that the ruination was with this kind of expansion, rather than just giving demacia the overall "Sentinel" title/class
The Yordles' immortality is something very interesting to me. While it certainly is implied they're just magic energy that dissipates if they 'die', Gwen's cards in LoR all feature ghosts in a big celebration, and among them there are two characters (one in Ghastly Band and another card-less yordle) who appear to be among the crowd. So it seems like they /can/ somehow die, or at the very least become ghosts.
I think you should also include the voidborn, and kassadin and kaisa. The voidborn are completely different from everyone else, even other voidborn, kaisa has a void creature fused with her, and kassadin can use void energy
i hope i will have the time, and hardware necessary to play this/finally get into a big mmo. especially for a world that i absolutely love
Well. If you have time (no hardware required), you can play as a space pilot from 10 000 year in the future, when space will be like liquid. That's called "Eve Online".
necrit is going to have a field day when the MMO comes out. endless amount of content and no time to do anything else
6:34 Not exactly animals, they were Vastayashai'rei like Neeko.
I'm much more excited for this MMO now based solely on your videos. Thank you for such great content.
I think it could be really cool if you break down each 'class' into what makes it the way it is, and possibly work on a subclass system. For example, if you chose two base classes and combined them, you would end up with some of the classes mentioned here. Someone who chose two of the same class, such as double assassin could well become a shadow assassin from ionia, a warrior who then chose a mage could become an ionian bladedancer, a mage who chose warlock/demonology as a second class could become a hemomancer, while a double warlock could become a void prophet, etc etc. Theres a lot to iron out as to how different areas could affect this, but it could be a cool idea to allow more options while still keeping a unique identity, without being crazily impossible to make all 50 or so different classes individually.
Factions could work like Everquest, where you start Dubious or Kill on Sight with a faction, but can raise it through quests and killing mobs. Each character can become good faction with any faction.
personally my favorite region is unsurprisingly piltover and Zaun. was my favorite before Arcane and it is still very much my favorite after.
Really good Video keep up the great work :)
I love your idea of flavoring the same classes into different region specific variants and think the guild wars style of elite specializations is a good reference. For maybe the early levels you learn basic skills that everyone in that class can keep, but as they progress in levels and regions players earn skill points by gaining favor from said region. They can then use those points in skill treed for that region specific "subclass" (vanguard, beserker, blademaster, etc) that way by the time the entire game comes out you don't need five different warrior classes but you can have one warrior spec into all the different types. Obviously for balance purposes they can only use one tree at a time.
This will allow people to also have their own micro communities based on their overall classes as well as their favorite variants. The playstyles are varied and unique but also require the player to work for them in a satisfying way as they complete each regions story mode.
A lot of players love having a single character they invest everything into but aesthetic players like me will likely buy extra character slots so they can specifically have a combo they like. I would love to have a vastayan shadow ninja (in this example let's flavor it as the general rouge class) eventually they can grind piltover points to use the skills of a warden sniper or lunari assassin but it since wouldn't feel accurate I'd probably want an extra character(s) for it
A few classes with multiple subclasses would work tremendously well in my opinion
All classes start the same but specialize later on depending on the region noxus well focus on aggressive attacking frejlord will focus on defensive and lasting in combat etc
Why do you even think it will have classes? Maybe it's "your class is defined by your gear", or maybe there are only a few archetypes that have 30 abilities, but you can only choose 8 abilities at a time, or maybe it's the same as GW2. There's no reason to discuss classes when we know absolutely nothing about the actual game. There's are so many different mmorpgs with so many different kinds of customisation and progression... We have no idea which direction they will go. I pray it's going to have class and combat of Tera or Lost Ark, but it might have some awful tab-targeting system with 20 year old class design that has limited options because of "lore".
@@helgenlane i am sure it won't be a tab target system becuse they were hiring a hack and slash combat devs on one of thier tweets
@@dankmemes8254 they also have a lot of devs who worked on WoW. I won't even be surprised if it's going to be a mobile mmo. It has such a great potential, but it also has a great potential to be generic or worse. The world of mmorpgs is filled with mediocre garbage, there are only a few games that are fun to play and grind.
The stand by section was really nice
sounds fun to play . i do like to see every class have a unique ability base on their starting zone or the faction they come from rather same warrior just diffrent skins . for example , pirate warrior fight differently from frost warrior . i know its a long and time consuming to make such a class . but it worth seeing somthing very new to mmo . I played wow for many years and wished to see an mmo with classes based on their faction and locations .
I think there's a lot to be learned from ESO's class system. Your actual "class" or "build" is made up of several components. The 3 subclasses of your main class, the weapons you wield, your armour, your race, your allegiance with specific guilds.
So you can have two different players both select the "dragonknight" class, and end up not having a single common ability between their builds at the end of the day.
I think Riot's MMO could do something similar. Where you first demonstrated the massive differences in martial classes between regions, my first thought was that you could have some basic "fighter" tree that is shared across the board no matter what. With a few abilities like "charge" etc. And then every class would *also* get a region specific tree for their class. As well as being able to choose a subclass that could be related to their region as well.
So in total your class would be made up of 3 parts.
1. Archetype - across all regions.
2. Class - region specific
3. Subclass - potentially region specific, including some overlap.
Then, like ESO, you could unlock and equipt different skills and passives to create your "build".
And from that point, you could probably just pull your archetypes from League's own class system with marksmen, fighters, mages, tanks, enchanters, etc.
Really like this idea ^^
as far as classes go i think the best (albeit ambitious) way to go about classes is have the core 4, Rogue/Assassin Tank, Warrior and Support and have your race also determine your subclass cause it's gonna be really weird if we have Frejlordians running around with Sentinel guns or Zaunites trying to shoot a bow and arrow
I have race locked stuff
It would be interesting if they took a page from Mabinogi's book. Unlocked class system-classes are only used to increase your exp gain for those skills and can be switched out once a week. They could implement a title system so if you rank up warrior skills and are from a specific region, you get the title of whatever that regions warrior is.
I think it'll be better to start with something general and shape your "simple" class into your unique one by vertical advancing options (like by praying, ascending, mastering, exploring grinding). So imagine starting as a warrior and ascending a mount targon at level 500 and evolving your class into the next aspect of war (just a hope this can be achieved) or conversely becoming a darkin after doing some advancement missions and satisfying hard conditions
i would love riot's MMO class to be based like the anime Overlord. you can choose your base class (etc warrior) and through leveling you can add skillpoints into sub class/weapons/magic or whatever you wish to learn. And so every warrior in the game is completely unique.
you will have brawler warriors, mage warriors, necromancer warriors, tank warrior and so on.
That Yuumi fly by! You never fail to deliver in intellect, lore, or humor! I am so looking forward to this MMO but more so on your next take on what us plebe's can actually hope for alongside you, even if such devices never make it into the game you still manage to make it fun just to fantasize on what could be! If the Dev's and Writers are given the chance over corporate greed and cashing in at the fandom's expense, they will have created the stuff of legends!
I’m just imagining the lategame tank armor from Piltover being some form of hextech riot gear with a matching riot shield and stun baton.
The issue of classes could probably be addressed in a cool way if they do something like Archeage, where your class is made up of a combination of specialty trees you choose as you level. Would help with the massive list of possibilities they have to work with, I think.
Since weapons are such a unique part of the LOL fantasy, I'd love to see unique weapon customization and unique weapon powers/ interactions. I think it would be funny if you were playing as a Vastaya and for some reason you were using a petricite weapon, somehow, you would take damage over time while it was equipped or suffer a debuff that reduced your speed or cut your magic power in half.
Ya know petricite stuffs are literally just magic battery right? They don't dispel magic, they absorb it. Rather than a debuff, it could work as an extra reserve of mana
@@zachsroomYT it would be a debuff for others. But could you even draw out magic from petricide? I thought it only goes in and doesnt goes out.
@@biowbe4522 well sylas's whole thing is drawing magic from petricite, I'm pretty sure some mage seekers use it as a way to bounce spells aswell
@@zachsroomYT walking with a petrecite weapon in your bag as a vastaya is like walking on a pond while leeches is sucking your blood up your veins.
@@Vizible21 But those leeches can't suck forever, can they? The walls and buildings of Demacia are SATURATED with magic because they have been absorbing it for hundreds of years with out actually expending it. That's one of the reason why Sylas was so powerful in the comic
I think that having different visuals for the same abilities might not be something that Riot wants to do. I mean, Riot has time and time again shown and talked about how important visual clarity is.
But then again, there are skins that alter the appearance of abilities so who knows. Maybe they'll do it to some lesser extent, where the ability is still clearly recognizable despite the change of appearance
Having some kind of mixable class system would be nice. And a good way to fit in many of the more niche classes.
Like a Demacian origin + Assassin + Utility-Class = Mage Seeker.
Like, pick your origin and one of 5-8 starting classes at creation. And then around level 10 pick one of the other classes to make a different class.
Could have like:
Defender - typical tank type
Warrior - cqc fighter with a weapon
Bruiser - cqc fighter with no weapon
Assassin - stealthy
Arcanist - arcane mage
Spiritualist - divine/spirit mage support
Elementalist - elemental mage
Marksman - bow wielder
Gunslinger - gun wielder
I feel there'll be base classes or roles: Tank, DPS, Ranged, Magic, Healer, Support and those will be split into probably 2-3 subclasses each. 6-8 base classes each getting 2-3 subclasses gives a lot of variety in playstyles and should cover the majority of the characters in LoL.
As for each location having a different version of each class this could be done through equipment, dialogue, and titles. Maybe each place gives you some different skills unique to the starting area but you can travel to the other areas to get those later on.
My MMO experience is around 5 hours of WoW (2 of which was downloading and installing it), so I'm not entirely sure how classes work. But here's how I hope they will.
You can't pick your classes. Insead you're given a *massive* skill tree which *grows* when you complete certain quests. The skills you pick from said skill tree change your class dynamically and *locks* certain skills that would be incompatible with your class. So for example you could see a player that has "Frostguard Swordmaster" next to their name who wouldn't be able to learn sand magic but can still learn some arcane spells.
And another example, if you've gone too deep the "Demacian Knight" route, all magic skills are locked but you gain access to more advanced/epic tehcniques as well as heavily increased magic resistance.
This sounds like a really cool idea for a single player RPG but not so much for an MMO.
As they are going for the Holy Trinity and will have dungeons / raids in the game it just doesn't work. You could make a very fun, creative build but if it doesn't have the DPS/HPS/or Threat/Mitigation then you are putting a performance tax on everyone you group up with.
By which I mean everyone else needs to perform to accommodate for having lower dps / hps / mitigation in the group.
You can get around this by either:
1. Homogenizing all the options such that you end up around the same power level. This would kill a lot of the neat flavor and customizability while being a balance nightmare.
2. Making the content so trivial that any build is able to do it. This just makes the game boring and faceroll for everyone.
Creativity and Customization in MMOs is less "Pick the tools you want to bring to the fight" and more "Here are the tools for your class. Find creative ways to use them to defeat encounters"
@@athieshgaming2659 no fuck the holy trinity its overused and I am done with it. Kill it entirely. Everyone has their own tank, healing, damage stats based on how they skill themselves up and pick their armour. You decide how you want to play the game not a class premade for you. So done with it its time an mmo reinvents the wheel
OooooOOoooOooo this is gonna be exciting
You could also have void-corrupted as a playable race, or some form of void-kin like Malzahar or Kai'Sa. There's also demons like Tahm Kench, that while he specifically is rather powerful, you can have minor demons that are about as strong as a powerful human
On the table at 15:19 yordles are an X for Targon, but we have seen yordles there through the LoR card Mentor of Stones. This is the only one I can think of, but I think it would be cool to see yordles representing aspects other than The Protector. I agree with the X at the moment, but I definitely see the potential for yordles to be set as a more present there.
I mean, his Argument for yordels also makes sense but then there is Poppy, i dont know if there is anything Special about Poppy that protects her against the Petricite but yea
I really hope they'll have automatons as a playable race, although I doubt it since robot races are rather unpopular in most games, even if they exist. If they're going to be in the game it will probably be when/if there's a major extension around Piltover and Zaun.
14:40 It would be really cool if sometime in the future there would be a raid in which one could acquire a Darkin weapon and this weapons acts as a customization item which gives you the appearance of a darkin
That's a very, very interesting take on this topic.... Thanks, Necrit! :)
I want the Vastaya race to have the option for specific Vastaya like the bat guy from Arcane. I just want to be bat man.
As for all the different kinds of warriors and mages and things, they could always make a archetype class and then you could specialize in a specific type of warrior and mage. Like a skill tree.
ok i had an idea with the warriors and other classes that might share lots of things. In Kritika online, each class has 2 forms you choose em like at level 15, maybe each class has like 1 or 2 unique abilities based on origin like the warrior from ionia gets faster attacks or noxus uses big bulky strikes
I think there's basically 4 ways they can do classes, the typical basic class with specialisations. The new world approach where you class abilities are tied to what weapons you pick. The arche age pick 3 "classes" to generate a unique combination class. Or do like a node system from something like path of exiles or something similar.
Originally I listed like 4 different ideas for how the classes could work in this game but ultimately - I just want Riot to do something unique and creative with their MMO that will feel right within the world they've created. And if that meant having to start in a specific region to be able to play a class (for example having to start in Demacia to play a Mageseeker) that's fine by me.
I kind of hope they simply don't do specific classes. I'd much prefer a more open approach to character creation, by basing each character on the archetypes from LoL - or something.
Tanks, bruisers, support, ranged and melee dps would be perfect to define the base classes. Then choose magic or physical damage - ideally there would be a lot of characters that are hybrids, too. Then further refine it by choosing a regional specialization and a weapon specialization. Boom! Now you have your character!
So, a character would be a magic tank from Ionia who fights unarmed and BANG! You have a mini-Udyr! Original version, not whatever garbage they've done to him recently.
Physical bruiser from Mt. Hyjal with spear and shield and you have a Mantheon type character.
The hard part will be making each choice significant and somewhat balanced.
@@SouthernGuy5423 not a bad idea actually. but i still want faction pride to play somewhat of a role and that kind of works . if we are able to start anywhere based on origin that will still kill the lore for me.
@@SouthernGuy5423 I think they could have most or all classes available to all regions/starting zones, but then have only certain subclasses available to certain regions. Or for the cases of being a mage in Demacia the starting area/quest could be breaking out of prison and escaping.
@@FineSugarSwine Sure, where did I say otherwise? A warrior in the Ionian style could have grown up and trained there and then moved to Demacia - or their teacher could have, or w/e. Its a label for the style of combat. Demacian warriors are traditionally like medieval knights, while Ionians are more like Japanese samurai... and so on.
On the other hand, I don't think that convenience absolutely has to trump everything else. RP reasoning is important, as well. I wouldn't be horribly upset if you had to start in a certain area or complete a big quest in order to gain access to certain types of abilities.
Never said you said otherwise my dude. Like the rest of us I'm just here to talk and nerd out. Just saying what I think would be cool and would work.
Cant wait for this game honestly!
Imagine you can be what you play in LoL e.g Tank, Assassin, Enchanter etc.
I feel like a prestige class/subclass type system could work. Where you start as warrior with basic abilities all warriors get but as you level up you get specialized abilities based on whether you are part if the Trifarian Legion or Freljordian Berserker for example.
Make each champion have a playable class follower(the players character). Each start region different depending on which champ they choose to follow for their class. At the start, only use a certain number of Champs, like 10-20. Release a new class along with a new champ to train under for each expansion.
This would lock certain classes into their corresponding lore region as well as limit which race they pick depending on the races that exist in the region(region based, not faction based).
After you follow the champion to learn your abilities, you either get separated from them or leave them after the starting zone. Then you can explore runetera with whatever class you want to play as while having champion pride based on league of legends. Which is what will make this game really take off. Because everyone loves their fav champ. (Diana here I come!)
My ideas for the Races:
It would be awesome to have some kind of questline, where you could ascend or become a darkin later on in the game.
The issue with helmets and or boots can be overcome by either disabling the visuals for certain races or make special gear for them.
I personally would love it, if there would be some kind of monster-like character to be played in the mmo. With the shurima expansion they could introduce the fusion race of people who merged with the void. Instead of leveling only your class you may evolve your race with some cool extra gimmicks.
My ideas for the Classes:
Imagine Riot's MMO has no typical classes. Instead of playing out classes like in normal MMO's, in Runeterra you get to choose a Path to follow. The Path determines which kind of skills you can learn and which Path specialized quest you can get, but you won't skill into your path normally. You will learn skills and abilities through your actions. Wanting to be a paladin? Work in demacia and follow the Aspect of Justice. Learn different Swordstyles? Go to each country and learn from the locals. You don't determine who you are only through your classname and your level, but through the path you walked to become who you wanted to be.
Given that you could technically learn everything in the World of Runeterra with this system, you could limit the access to the skills by your Path or by a restricion to the number of skills that can be used at a time.
One big pro of this method would be, that you can implement any kind of ability and identity that is possible in the game, but the con is that it would be harder to balance, since min-maxing is a lot easier with this method.
Darkin lore just doesn't make sense as a playable characters. THey are meant to be the bad guy. And their power also make doing contents really weird. Like why do i lose to this tiny void monsters when i am a freaking darkin. It just doesn't feel right
Darkin would be late game character, which you can only obtain through either an darkin item (probably the highest rarity) or through ascending and then corrupting, which would be also lategame (probably level 80-90 out of 100).
At that point of the game most void monsters (and maybe playable characters) would've probably gone through 4 or 5 adaptations to the world and thus be extremly powerful.
And even other races could at that point become aspects or ascend, master a World Rune or make a pact with a celestial being and thus gain the ability to hold on against a darkin.
Of course it would be hard to balance to give the special experience, but i don't think it is impossible to make
@@Diagala19 There's a lots of problem with this. First, darkin is special because they are rare. Seeing them running around just shattered that whole point. 2nd, they are too powerful, regardless of how high lv you are. You are still expected to play mortal like characters. Such godlike entities just doesn't make for a good comprehensive story. Unless you severely nerf them, which threw away the whole point of darkin being unstoppable. Furthermore, darkin are the weapons. Which also mean that on a lore standpoint, you shouldn't swap your weapons around which defeat the purpose of an RPG
I hope that the MMO will be diverse in body types customization. I really want to play as an Buff Woman like mommy Illaoi.