A brilliant strategy, provided that you have five times as many men as your opponent, an infinite supply of huge metal shields, all of your soldiers are perfectly coordinated, and the enemy commander is a complete idiot.
I would put it even more harshly :D it's total BS. The amount of practice that your soldiers must do before mastering this would be tremendous, and tactical flexibility ... But all chinese kung-fu flicks are fantasy and fairy-tales. For this reason I find them really boring.
I came here solely just for a rant. Yes, i dont understand why the enemy armies politely and willingly entered the formation through the gap instead of just charging through the wall. I mean they are riding a literal horses and the shield wasnt even as high that could prevent horses from jumping over it. What made me more furious is that the enemy just taking a walk in the park after entering the formation. I mean why dodnt they even tried to fight the enemy which literally didnt do anything as well
@@AndromedaPrima I was about to say the same which dumbass would willingly enter a formation where at any moment you can be surrounded on all sides... idk how strong your metal shield is throw 100 horses at it and it'll break or the man behind will
The realistic strategy would be the one used at waterloo. Wellington's army used box formation with bayonets sticking out. Marshal Ney's cavalery could only circle the formation while being shot at.
everyone saying this is unrealistic, its part of the romance of the three kingdom, so its supposed to be exaggerated or else it wouldnt be interesting on the big screen. Imagine 300, the spartans didnt even get their arms pierced from the rain of arrow a million arrows. Now that's unrealistic too but captures your attention.
This battle is so different in the novel. The formation was supposed to be in a forest, as I recall and visibility was very low. Also, it was on a much larger scale so the enemy could not actually spot the formation. Whenever the charging cavalry wanted to exit the forest there would be pikes and shields guarding the exit. This was because the troops were all hidden within the trees and the lookouts would signal them with drums and flags.
When you say "novel" are you referring to RoTK because if your are then all I can say at this time is that both are based on the historical events of the same period, however neither is based off of the other and are both maybe %50 accurate in their own rights.
"They've left openings in their ranks, and their formations seem very inviting and open for us. They also don't seem to be attacking us while we ride past, this couldn't possibly go wrong, everyone advance into the circular maze and disperse, don't attack or that may upset them. Wander aimlessly until everyone is in, then wait. The game is afoot."
Troops: Commander, what should we do. Should we charge our cavalry into the 1 man deep enemy lines and break their flimsy formations or should we charge every man we’ve got into the gaps they obviously created to trap us? Commander: Check dis out *everyone dies*
If you are not standing at the commanding height, you can't see how the people on the opposite side organize the formation! The best thing is to beat the drummer and the flag conductor first! Let the opponent can not change the formation!
I think it's more of a" get some of the commanders outside the "walls" and kill some of the enemy while risking their lives that could be more useful inside the "wall", especially the unarmed zhang fei." signal
@@anguslmx23 in those times, most troops only had the most basic martial training with little experience while generals and other higher commanders usually are much much better trained. So it is entirely plausible for Guan Yu to take on groups of these enemies solo even though tactically it is insane lol
Zhuge Liang called this formation outdated but he found a good use to it by creating a sand storm and restricting enemy's vision which leaded enemy to fall into trap. Also when they find a breach in enemy formation, they must enter or they are bound to eat arrows
@@Serkanbah they couldn't return back to their commanding officer whose bringing up the main force and if they showed cowardice on the battlefield they would be shamed. Also they weren't expecting this kind of formation to be used since as u can see there was alot of openings for the cavalry and inf. to charge in, also so many troops and tower shields. They couldn't go anywhere so they had to make a choice to run all the way back to the main force or attack.
Still freaking unrealistic By seeing the number of turtle formationd bois, they already have double or triple numbers of army than attackers If sandstorm happens, nobody gonna do such undesperately dumbfucked charge into that unless they are japan banzai kiddos.
this may sound dumb but the best way to break that plan is to ram in to the wall's break the shell of the turtle and it falls apart in a panic ... what its a much better idea then running in side to a clear fuck you trap
The scale of Chinese battles were often much larger than other cultures, life was cheap and a 10000 men is considered a small force but that is actually 2 full Roman legions in comparison to western counterparts. So that formation may span a huge distance and not easily seen by the enemy commanders. Also it is not easy to flank the army because of the distance, visibility, and the circular shape of the formation. A well trained force with good commanders and tacticians employing battle formations makes big differences, and during the warring years, all men were born soldiers. Its not an uncommon thing to have battle formations, happens all over the world. Just a few of these are more exaggerated.
+Ex Angel he's referring to the scale of a force, you try looking at 1000 people. it just looks like a about 300 from your angle, and as a commander, knowing the scale of the enemy force is essential to victory, you can't keep track of that many enemy soldiers so defeat is certain
Not really, Cao Cao has the largest army and it was only around 800000 soldiers so 10000 men was considered pretty good army too. Liu Bei only had around less than 1000 soldiers following him around the beginning of the era.
This shit wasnt possible dont over glorify some chinese peasants. Cus you have read a romance book. The novel and these movies/series are very unhistorical maybe 30% is true
you should watch the full movie.Zhuge Liang called this formation outdated but he found a good use to it by creating a sand storm and restricting enemy's vision which leaded enemy to fall into trap. Also when they find a breach in enemy formation, they must enter or they are bound to eat arrows
Actually the turtle formation was used in early chinese battles.... the turtle formation was used in both siege and defense battles and was effective i would say 80% of the time. Please.... do some research before commenting.
I can guarantee that Chinese army don't fight like this during the three kingdoms era or any era for that matter. They will send archers and artillery units first to that formation to soften them up. Followed by infantry charge. After the enemy is engaged, the cavalry will surround the outermost circle and do not going in. They will make sure nobody escape alive when the formation broke.
We have Master Sun Tzu a brilliant strategist during the Warring States periode in China.Then we have Sun Bin a brilliant strategist after 100yrs of the Warring States periode in China.then we Zhuge Liang during The Three Kingdom periode.
1. No, horses not crashing into a shield formation isn't a strange thing. Horses won't run into obstacles if they have a free way to go, like happens in this sequence. This tactic dates back to ancient egypt (actually first battle recorded in human history, Ramses II vs the hitites). 2. Yes, this is most likely a lame depiction of what happened in reality. If not regarding the tactic itself, at least one could think that the horsemen would... You know... Attack them meanwhile waiting to see what happens. 3. They don't attack because they are carrying swords. Straight swords. On fucking horseback. Good lord. Veredict: The basic tactic isn't magic at all. But empires of all periods of history (starting with the very same Ramses II that used this tactic for the first time) have greatly exaggerated their victories, to the point this looks way, way, way too effective on the chinesse part, and too moronic on the other guys (mongols? And they don't have bows?) part.
You're completely right. Those guys could never all have tackled him at once, he's just too good a fighter. This very credible source has shown me that one man can be more than a match for thousands.
Well they couldn't stop moving or they'll get stabbed by spears and considering how they didn't know how large the enemy force was in a formation like this.
Because it did everything it was supposed to do. Some of the scenes can be a bit awkward but it represents the short period and great battle portrayed in the ROTK really well.
5:30 hahahahahah this is like here i give u this and u give me this .. here i give u this and u give me this .... and the same shit is going the whole day
it's in your opinion. Those general were certainty a master of martial arts and swordplay, it is not because of magic. Maybe it's not to fight out thousand or million, but it is realistic if the opponent only tens to hundreds
I like how Guan Yu's fight makes sense. He throws his crescent blade like a spear to take out the poor dude first because it's a close proximity fight against numbers, blade swinging would not be as effective as spearing.
Great!You explained it very well. These are just movies.The aim of every war movie(if the producer have money) is to make as much spectacular special effect or great battle scenes in order to attract more audiences. Btw, i have read from the novel that Zhuge Liang had invented a kind of self movable oxen-horse like cart to transport supplies, but I do not know whether this is true or not.
@Amelia Chua truth is, he didnt had 300 men but it was 6000, there were still people supporting him and let me tell you something. Achaemanids also didnt had 1million troops. Just imagine how much of the earth population is that.
@@diackoakafrankie3151 Depending on the source it is estimated that the world's population at the time was around 100-200+ million people and about 2.5-3.5 lived of it lived in Greece and Anatolia.
That was't stupid. Muskets were inaccurate and that way of fighting was very effective. Throw artillery, sharpshooters and cavalry into the mix and it is a very complex battle. It certainly required more tactics than this mess.
Pretty sure muskets back then also usually weren't powerful enough to shoot through someone and to stop the bullets bouncing off they'd have to get in close. Flintlock pistols were awful in this regard because they'd just put the barrel against someone's chest and fire to make sure it didn't just bruise.
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:/ the matrix? John wick? All other Hollywood movies? Comparing those with this? China had to atleast work with what they got and making it realistic? They never admit to making these war movies realistic as they only want the action, formations, and meaning and events that possibly happened a long time ago.
How poor is LiuBei's army at that point of time: 1) GuanYu has long weapon but no horse 2) ZhaoYun has horse but no long weapon 3) ZhangFei has nothing but himself. hahahahahah
Yeah, that's true. I was also surprised that we can see a lot of Shu & Wu generals, but very few Wei generals... Maybe they will appear in the next movie... ? Still, it's strange because there were a lot of Wei generals in the Red Cliff's battle : Cao Pi, Dian Wei.... (btw Dian Wei is the most important Wei general, after Cao Cao, even more than Cao's son Cao Pi at that time)
Its waaayy to late. But the son that Cao Cao mentioned after loosing him and Dian Wei was Cao Ang. The first heir apparent.. Cao Cao mentioned that he grieved the lost of his most trusted general and bodyguard more than the lost of his first son.. That's shows how much respect he have on his subordinates.. As he also said, "I never employed the questionable, and never questions the employed."
The movie here is based after the first Chinese empire was declared like more than 390 years bro, and the defending ambushers still use formations favored by Sun Tzu of Wu
Atleast they tried. Decent enough for a war movie, doesn't matter on realism, atleast I can enjoy movies that shows some formations and such action stuff.
So CaoCao had the political advantage and can gather army in the imperial name(fast and good cause).SunQuan has the solid Base his father and brother had left him so he can do what he want without the worrying of backstabbing(this CaoCao cant do).LiuBei has the best man resource for his popularity.
That last guy on the horse was so shook. They should have kept him alive to spy for them with promise of gold and bread. If he refuses then dress him up as a woman and have him dance for them.
he guy leading the cavalry has to be the worst general off all time. lets charge them with horses!!! and once we reached them lets do nothing but run around... wtf?
And then? Then they do what? And u know if all those cavarly try to get off from horses the formation will be broken and it will be rly messy so it can be a great chance for enemy to attack suddenly or shoot the arrows again
I'm not a historian, nor am I trying to sound like one. Chinese Antiquity crossbows were so cumbersome, they were usually deployed in 2 man teams with a shield to act as the loader, to position the crossbow, and the shooter. Also mainly used to repel and advance troop formations.
This formation can easily be broken as it is just a few lines deep, not that charging head on is the best tactic. I would like to see them attacking in this clever formation. That would be so fun.
Well what were you expecting from a John Woo picture? That guy directed "Face/off", "Broken Arrow" and "Mission Impossible 2", being over the top and free of any grounding in reality is kind of his thing. But if you are hoping to see a more realistic depiction on the three kingdoms era in china that is more true to the source material of the novel "The Romance of Three Kingdoms" then may I suggest the original 1994 "Romance of Three Kingdoms" TV series. It is so true the source material of the novel that there and entire scenes taken from the book with dialog taken word for word. Just stay away from the 2010 remake of that TV series, that remake is even more cheesier that this video and far less entertaining.
I feel like that's the difference between Hollywood action movies and Chinese action movies. Movies like this put any semblance of plausibility on the back burner and force you to suspend your disbelief for the sake of the action. It's not for everyone and it doesn't always work but when it does work the action delivers on a level that no western movie has been able to match.
Not that I'm being a Trollinator - the other option is to send the 'grunts' - so spear warriors and swords warriors and perhaps shielded warriors to take the formation head-on - I mean notice the cavalry were being peppered with arrows left and right - and if you haven't got mounted archers or atleast spears/swords to throw and all you've got are just CQB weapons - no point NOT charging into the Tortoise Formation eh? I mean also who's to say also that the ENEMY will then send out heavily armored shield units or even armored cavalry in response to your cavalry and all the while when the enemy are free to spam-shot arrows from bow-happy archers eh? Unless you've got perhaps cannons or a Tiger I tank or something ... or airplanes armed with napalm bombs or HE 500 kg bombs ...
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Drafe zard Hahaha - you're very kind... well one just has to try to see both sides at times before drawing a line in the sand or such ... Though now that you mention it - back to this comment I had made - then again the other way to break through the formation is to use flaming missiles and projectiles fired from giant cross-bows or perhaps catapults which I'm sure would have been available by then given catapults would have been used since ancient times even prior to the 3 Kingdoms ... although the problem would be that the enemy could also have catapults set up, cavalry or even sappers to try to disrupt the catapult crew - but still fired from a healthy distance and firing spamfuls of flaming missiles or oil - even if you use shields to block it - I'm sure given the fact if the shields were metallic and metal being a good conductor of heat PLUS the impact of the projectile slamming down onto you....
HeirofGojira91 Well they do use catapults near the end of the film and it certainly breaks through their formations then. I think the issue is to move heavy artillery such as this takes a long time to move and Cao Cao (in the film at least) is some what impatient to win the war. Not to mention that they would have to set up the catapults and they didn't know that they were going into battle until it was too late due to it being an ambush and such. Lastly if either or both of them were using some form of artillery I'm sure they would of used different tactics/formations anyway.
This part of the movie is deliberately unrealistic (combining the superhuman wuxia genre with historical fiction) but I enjoy how it is used to demonstrate many principles of Chinese war philosophy: use of terrain as an advantage, using a smaller but better trained army vs. a larger one, luring an enemy into a trap by creating a false weakness in your defenses, disrupting an enemy's communication and re-supply lines, etc.
@Sirtael Ellevalerie Ok, you dont do any scouting, becuase your plan is to go just ahead and hope for the best. Great plan. Works every time. Except, when it does not.
@@pavelivanov2999 they was in the open, hailed by arrows. Not a best situation to planning. In the midst of enemies they at least couldn't be shoot at.
@@sirtaelellevalerie1056 i dont get, how someone can say that this looks some what plausible. It makes no sense. Charging blindly is plain stupid, only an amateur or a mad man would do such a thing. Secondly in real life such a formation would be broken easily. When commenting on how bad this scene is one does not know, where to start. It is just incredibly retarded.
@@pavelivanov2999 "t makes no sense. Charging blindly is plain stupid, only an amateur or a mad man would do such a thing" when enemy has superior firepower and you have no cover, charging is the best option (most of the time) www.businessinsider.com/the-most-famous-bayonet-charge-of-modern-conflict-2012-10
There exist Two-handed swords in museums today that some would claim are legit, despite having similar overkill as Guan Yu's Glaive. Later it was discovered to be a wallpiece made during a later era. Humans today are the biggest, strongest and healthiest ever. Warriors back then would make a name for themselves and become legends. When people write them down based on hyperbole and hearsay I call BS. Achilles was based on a great soldier who became a legend, which then became a friggin superhero.
marguan yu used a kwan dao or pudao in ancient china not a glaive the correct term is guan dao guan yu became the god of war respected by friend and foe alike he was considered a legenad and hero to people he is worshipped by chinese people
@@MartinTraXAA it is real go to china to see it there is a martial artist who used it for a weapon the europeans perfected it go the bejing military museum to see it most populsr weapon among martial artists
this movie is based on a book. written in the late 1500's about an event 2000 years ago. wait hold on, that sounds alot like another very popular book that people made churches and started countless wars about. i really do not see how this movie is somehow less realistic then any hollywood war movie or the bible.
Lol consider Troy. I have and yeah this movie is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who has any combat experience knows that this movie is so far from realistic. Troy is at least somewhat believable.
Zhao Yun on white horse, Former retainer of Gongsun Zan from the North, and saved his liege Liu Bei's baby son in the opening battle of the movie, I forgot the Wu general that participated in there (I'll edit this segment if I remembered his name), he later dies in the Fire on the Red Cliffs, And Zhang Fei, the big bearded bear, known for serving Liu Bei alongside Guan Yu, his oathbrothers, and having fierce tempers as a combat officer
A brilliant strategy, provided that you have five times as many men as your opponent, an infinite supply of huge metal shields, all of your soldiers are perfectly coordinated, and the enemy commander is a complete idiot.
I would put it even more harshly :D it's total BS. The amount of practice that your soldiers must do before mastering this would be tremendous, and tactical flexibility ... But all chinese kung-fu flicks are fantasy and fairy-tales. For this reason I find them really boring.
IKR THE COMMANDER WOULD HAVE TO BE A COMPLETE BUMBLING IDIOT TO NOT JUST CHARGE THE SHIELDS AND PUT PRESSURE ON THEM SO THEY FALL OVER
I came here solely just for a rant. Yes, i dont understand why the enemy armies politely and willingly entered the formation through the gap instead of just charging through the wall.
I mean they are riding a literal horses and the shield wasnt even as high that could prevent horses from jumping over it.
What made me more furious is that the enemy just taking a walk in the park after entering the formation. I mean why dodnt they even tried to fight the enemy which literally didnt do anything as well
@@AndromedaPrima I was about to say the same which dumbass would willingly enter a formation where at any moment you can be surrounded on all sides... idk how strong your metal shield is throw 100 horses at it and it'll break or the man behind will
The realistic strategy would be the one used at waterloo. Wellington's army used box formation with bayonets sticking out. Marshal Ney's cavalery could only circle the formation while being shot at.
everyone saying this is unrealistic, its part of the romance of the three kingdom, so its supposed to be exaggerated or else it wouldnt be interesting on the big screen. Imagine 300, the spartans didnt even get their arms pierced from the rain of arrow a million arrows. Now that's unrealistic too but captures your attention.
the zhang fei roar has been ingrained in my memory since i saw this movie as a child, i love it
This battle is so different in the novel. The formation was supposed to be in a forest, as I recall and visibility was very low. Also, it was on a much larger scale so the enemy could not actually spot the formation. Whenever the charging cavalry wanted to exit the forest there would be pikes and shields guarding the exit. This was because the troops were all hidden within the trees and the lookouts would signal them with drums and flags.
When you say "novel" are you referring to RoTK because if your are then all I can say at this time is that both are based on the historical events of the same period, however neither is based off of the other and are both maybe %50 accurate in their own rights.
Drafe zard is there another novel then? There is a history book by Sima Qian, but that ain't a novel
Alexander Salt Not that I know of, I just didn't want to asume in case there is.
It's hard to film in a forest.. spare the film crew, please..
***** Didn't I argue with you once before?
"Guan Yu has KO'd over 50 Wei troops"
"You're an inspiration to us all, brother" - Liu Bei.
👏🐴
GuanYu‘ KD is good
That's defo dynasty warriors quoting.
All fun and games till.....LU BU has arrived to the battle :)
That’s why liu bei and his tactician were my favorite
Historical figures in order of appearance:
1:20 Zhou Yu
1:50 Zhuge Liang (right)
5:01 Guan Yu
6:14 Zhao Yun
6:49 Zhang Fei
8:35 Lady Sun
1:46 Huang Gai (left red cloak)
3:59 Gan Ning
And Lady Sun did nothing but sat on her horse and watched XD
that's ZhouYu? ZhouYu is soppose to be handsome man dude ugly 😂
"They've left openings in their ranks, and their formations seem very inviting and open for us. They also don't seem to be attacking us while we ride past, this couldn't possibly go wrong, everyone advance into the circular maze and disperse, don't attack or that may upset them. Wander aimlessly until everyone is in, then wait. The game is afoot."
Random grunt: GENIUS
*Gets slaughtered by random ass peasents with metal hoes*
They were mesmerized by Takeshi Kaneshiro's masterful plan.
It is just a movie, and I agree it's shit compared to the famous series preceding this crap. Apart from the costumes, anything else is shit
Didn’t Zhao Zilong ride into a similar formation made by Cao Ren, and actually end up smashing it from the inside with a vanguard cavalry unit?
i like how the people on the shields just watching like “oh damn they really fighting”
My job is to hold my formation not to help you stabbing. 😄
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Troops: Commander, what should we do. Should we charge our cavalry into the 1 man deep enemy lines and break their flimsy formations or should we charge every man we’ve got into the gaps they obviously created to trap us?
Commander: Check dis out *everyone dies*
If you are not standing at the commanding height, you can't see how the people on the opposite side organize the formation! The best thing is to beat the drummer and the flag conductor first! Let the opponent can not change the formation!
@@冯先生-t4e the battlefield is not always flat
I think I will just go back to my Total War games and make the right tactical moves...
You can still see circles and holes in someone’s line if you have depth perception.
plus they are on horses and would be able to tell that the formation isn't that deep.
4:57
I like how they seem to have had a specific drum signal prepared ahead of time for "Unleash the Guan Yu"
I think it's more of a" get some of the commanders outside the "walls" and kill some of the enemy while risking their lives that could be more useful inside the "wall", especially the unarmed zhang fei." signal
@@anguslmx23 in those times, most troops only had the most basic martial training with little experience while generals and other higher commanders usually are much much better trained. So it is entirely plausible for Guan Yu to take on groups of these enemies solo even though tactically it is insane lol
I love the ending.
Soldier: "Where did everyone go?"
Zhuge Liang called this formation outdated but he found a good use to it by creating a sand storm and restricting enemy's vision which leaded enemy to fall into trap. Also when they find a breach in enemy formation, they must enter or they are bound to eat arrows
its nice that the cavalrymen are so polite and simply ride around rather than attacking the men with the giant shields and no weapon in hand.
I think both sides rehearsed their parts very well... Such good coordination.
Team mates: rally for a teamfight
Me: coming
When I arrive: 9:42
The heroes: Slaughtering groups of people at a time
Those soldiers who decided to 1v1 them be like:
*"Ima pretend I didn't see that"*
Three kingdoms total war anyone?
Never heard of romance of three kingdom ? Like twenty something years ago....
I am waiting to get a custom gaming PC. Forget Mac
Fak u NOOB
Prison school and the book for me
Dynasty Warriors for me
look there is huge defensive lines with archers and lancers lets go inside and die.
Serkanbah cant u see the heavy sand storm when they're riding? They chased a group of skirmishers and led into an ambush.
ambush? thousands of soldiers waiting with shields pikes commanders behind on a platform and you call that ambush?
@@Serkanbah they couldn't return back to their commanding officer whose bringing up the main force and if they showed cowardice on the battlefield they would be shamed. Also they weren't expecting this kind of formation to be used since as u can see there was alot of openings for the cavalry and inf. to charge in, also so many troops and tower shields. They couldn't go anywhere so they had to make a choice to run all the way back to the main force or attack.
Still freaking unrealistic
By seeing the number of turtle formationd bois, they already have double or triple numbers of army than attackers
If sandstorm happens, nobody gonna do such undesperately dumbfucked charge into that unless they are japan banzai kiddos.
this may sound dumb but the best way to break that plan is to ram in to the wall's break the shell of the turtle and it falls apart in a panic ... what its a much better idea then running in side to a clear fuck you trap
The scale of Chinese battles were often much larger than other cultures, life was cheap and a 10000 men is considered a small force but that is actually 2 full Roman legions in comparison to western counterparts. So that formation may span a huge distance and not easily seen by the enemy commanders. Also it is not easy to flank the army because of the distance, visibility, and the circular shape of the formation. A well trained force with good commanders and tacticians employing battle formations makes big differences, and during the warring years, all men were born soldiers. Its not an uncommon thing to have battle formations, happens all over the world. Just a few of these are more exaggerated.
+antonc108 "not easily seen" its a giant formation of troops....
+Ex Angel he's referring to the scale of a force, you try looking at 1000 people. it just looks like a about 300 from your angle, and as a commander, knowing the scale of the enemy force is essential to victory, you can't keep track of that many enemy soldiers so defeat is certain
ChrispyAngel you go outside and starting counting number of people in the street
Not really, Cao Cao has the largest army and it was only around 800000 soldiers so 10000 men was considered pretty good army too. Liu Bei only had around less than 1000 soldiers following him around the beginning of the era.
This shit wasnt possible dont over glorify some chinese peasants. Cus you have read a romance book.
The novel and these movies/series are very unhistorical maybe 30% is true
The ending lol
Soldier: where y'all at homies.
9:42 The most funniest scene I've seen in Chinese War Movies ^.^
+Augustus Caesar How many takes must that last shot have taken, though?
That last guy should of paid more attention to his surrounding or at least get off the horse!
+Ren “Ken” Cen He panicked
9:46
it was this moment jackson knew
he fcked up
xD
He was like "wait wtf? I'm the only one left?"
you should watch the full movie.Zhuge Liang called this formation outdated but he found a good use to it by creating a sand storm and restricting enemy's vision which leaded enemy to fall into trap. Also when they find a breach in enemy formation, they must enter or they are bound to eat arrows
Due to the way Zhang Fei charged at the soldiers, he would be the strongest football player ever XD.
I gather you are not talking about the game football that is mostly played with feet, but about another one, because it would not make much sense.
@@pavelivanov2999 Maybe American Football? I don't know much on the topic, just guessing. At any rate, Zhang Fei is a boss.
Actually the turtle formation was used in early chinese battles.... the turtle formation was used in both siege and defense battles and was effective i would say 80% of the time. Please.... do some research before commenting.
Spear Guard is OP in this build
Lol too bad three kingdoms game is unable to make this kind of formation happen
I can guarantee that Chinese army don't fight like this during the three kingdoms era or any era for that matter.
They will send archers and artillery units first to that formation to soften them up. Followed by infantry charge. After the enemy is engaged, the cavalry will surround the outermost circle and do not going in. They will make sure nobody escape alive when the formation broke.
Zhang Fei's weaponless charge at 6:50 gets me laughing every time
what makes a movie unrealistic is, presenting things that could go wrong in so many ways, but then executed perfectly.
I don't care if this was supposed to be realistic or not, this was totally awesome.
We have Master Sun Tzu a brilliant strategist during the Warring States periode in China.Then we have Sun Bin a brilliant strategist after 100yrs of the Warring States periode in China.then we Zhuge Liang during The Three Kingdom periode.
The whole stratagem was set up solely for the top officers to grind xp. Rank and file soldiers are not allowed to leech either.
This movie is a based on a famous novel, not history. So the scene is based on the description of that battle in the novel.
1. No, horses not crashing into a shield formation isn't a strange thing. Horses won't run into obstacles if they have a free way to go, like happens in this sequence. This tactic dates back to ancient egypt (actually first battle recorded in human history, Ramses II vs the hitites).
2. Yes, this is most likely a lame depiction of what happened in reality. If not regarding the tactic itself, at least one could think that the horsemen would... You know... Attack them meanwhile waiting to see what happens.
3. They don't attack because they are carrying swords. Straight swords. On fucking horseback. Good lord.
Veredict: The basic tactic isn't magic at all. But empires of all periods of history (starting with the very same Ramses II that used this tactic for the first time) have greatly exaggerated their victories, to the point this looks way, way, way too effective on the chinesse part, and too moronic on the other guys (mongols? And they don't have bows?) part.
This formation looks more like the famous Chakravyuh used in Mahabharath which led to Abhimanyu's brutal death.
lol. go check out mahabarat!!!
They're also chinese.
I have no idea who I'm supposed to root for, I'm just enjoying the complete absurdity of the action.
8:25 He is just flexing at this point
You're completely right. Those guys could never all have tackled him at once, he's just too good a fighter. This very credible source has shown me that one man can be more than a match for thousands.
Its been 11yrs and its still the best😎
6:10 "Blue Dragon strikes!"
i love how the cavalry are just casually trotting around inside the formation. its as if it was all some display or something...
Well they couldn't stop moving or they'll get stabbed by spears and considering how they didn't know how large the enemy force was in a formation like this.
Zhang Fei would make one hella of a Rugby player… 😂
レッドクリフ良かったよなあ、総合的に。
Yess
Because it did everything it was supposed to do. Some of the scenes can be a bit awkward but it represents the short period and great battle portrayed in the ROTK really well.
5:30 hahahahahah this is like here i give u this and u give me this .. here i give u this and u give me this .... and the same shit is going the whole day
Hes doing business with hes enemies but hes get the luck
it's in your opinion. Those general were certainty a master of martial arts and swordplay, it is not because of magic. Maybe it's not to fight out thousand or million, but it is realistic if the opponent only tens to hundreds
I like how Guan Yu's fight makes sense. He throws his crescent blade like a spear to take out the poor dude first because it's a close proximity fight against numbers, blade swinging would not be as effective as spearing.
watching westerners get titled over this is so....refreshing
When you get all the generals in Romance mode and just wreck the enemy
Ok, the Guan Yu and Zhang Fei parts totally saved this video for me 😂
Great!You explained it very well. These are just movies.The aim of every war movie(if the producer have money) is to make as much spectacular special effect or great battle scenes in order to attract more audiences. Btw, i have read from the novel that Zhuge Liang had invented a kind of self movable oxen-horse like cart to transport supplies, but I do not know whether this is true or not.
I know it's a movie but don't you think they could've charged through a single line spearless shield wall?
this is some of the most ridiculous fighting I've ever seen
Yeah well wait until you hear of lubu
yeah just like 300 spartans lol
@@LG-vv9jn thermopile war was a landslide win for persians. Truth hurts
@Amelia Chua truth is, he didnt had 300 men but it was 6000, there were still people supporting him and let me tell you something. Achaemanids also didnt had 1million troops. Just imagine how much of the earth population is that.
@@diackoakafrankie3151 Depending on the source it is estimated that the world's population at the time was around 100-200+ million people and about 2.5-3.5 lived of it lived in Greece and Anatolia.
金城たけし？😮
At 7:20,
Zhou Yu: "Zhang Fei is really awesome at hand combat..."
Zhuge Liang : "You ain't seen nothing yet. He's only warming up"
While It might be a bit ridiculous accuracy wise, you cant say Chinese films are boring.
官渡の戦いから無敗を維持した曹軍の騎兵があっさり敗北したのは驚きだったろうな
Guan Yu: Physical combat is the way to go!
I like how people are complaining fiction to be fictional
関羽・趙雲・張飛は分かるけど、最初に無双してる人だれ？
あと指揮棒振ってるおじいさんは黄忠なのかな、演義で劉備軍に加わるのは赤壁後だけど。
ていうか演義では劉備側が徐庶の策略で曹仁の八卦陣を破ることになってるけど、この映画では劉備側が八卦陣っぽいの敷いてるんだな。
2回目の太鼓で出てくる中村獅童さんであれば、甘興というオリジナルキャラになります。
モデルは甘寧ではないかと言われています。
張飛の化け物ぶりを見た後のチョウ雲が普通の武将にみえた……(笑)
I have to disagree.
Seeing three of the Tiger Generals whooping ass will never not be awesome. Zhang Fei especially is an absolute badass here.
Its almost just as stupid as American and British armies in the 1700's when theyd just march infront of each other and shoot at point blank range.
That was't stupid. Muskets were inaccurate and that way of fighting was very effective. Throw artillery, sharpshooters and cavalry into the mix and it is a very complex battle. It certainly required more tactics than this mess.
chap0syoutuification Well said except perhaps that last part.
Pretty sure muskets back then also usually weren't powerful enough to shoot through someone and to stop the bullets bouncing off they'd have to get in close. Flintlock pistols were awful in this regard because they'd just put the barrel against someone's chest and fire to make sure it didn't just bruise.
Still way better than this horriblelic chinese idea
en toda la peli falto el poderosisimo lubu, aunque sea en una precuela.
6:50 Chewbacca unleashed :))
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@Hupiukko Lol
Lol he literally breaks a spear in half by punching it 😆😆
06:50
Total war three kingdom got most of its elements from this movie. From unit design and background music, it has a lot of red cliff reference.
Yuhangism Guo especially cao cao
関羽と趙雲がカッコよすぎる
The first part is not bad, but the arrow sfx, both when they're flying and hitting, feels lacking.
I like how it violates the laws of Physics.
then make videos studying all the movies of the world about how their physics, defy law of physics
Like every other movie?
I like how you think this is supposed to be accurate.
:/ the matrix? John wick? All other Hollywood movies?
Comparing those with this? China had to atleast work with what they got and making it realistic? They never admit to making these war movies realistic as they only want the action, formations, and meaning and events that possibly happened a long time ago.
@@koreancowboy42 how is John Wick the same kind of movie as Matrix?
Are those 3 guys Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and Zhao Yun?
yes u are correct
They also known as The Tiger Generals
これ中々エグい作戦よな。
敵が可哀想なぐらい残酷な作戦やわ。
How poor is LiuBei's army at that point of time:
1) GuanYu has long weapon but no horse
2) ZhaoYun has horse but no long weapon
3) ZhangFei has nothing but himself.
hahahahahah
懐かしいな。確か金曜ロードショウでやってた時めちゃくちゃお腹痛かったんだよな
お前は死門に入ったんだな
Things like this really went down. We just don't know about it.
Yeah, that's true.
I was also surprised that we can see a lot of Shu & Wu generals, but very few Wei generals...
Maybe they will appear in the next movie... ? Still, it's strange because there were a lot of Wei generals in the Red Cliff's battle : Cao Pi, Dian Wei.... (btw Dian Wei is the most important Wei general, after Cao Cao, even more than Cao's son Cao Pi at that time)
Its waaayy to late. But the son that Cao Cao mentioned after loosing him and Dian Wei was Cao Ang.
The first heir apparent..
Cao Cao mentioned that he grieved the lost of his most trusted general and bodyguard more than the lost of his first son..
That's shows how much respect he have on his subordinates..
As he also said, "I never employed the questionable, and never questions the employed."
Good movie. This is what chinese film makers should make more of, chinese historical war movies with accurate armor and weapons of the time period.
However the actions are terribly unrealistic, they should hire those who made the movie"warlord"
Wow! the ancient armies of the warring states of China used some really interesting tactics
Bullet-Tooth Tony the formation is called chakravyuh and it was used in ancient india. the epic "Mahabharata" mentions it. google up.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padmavyuha
The movie here is based after the first Chinese empire was declared like more than 390 years bro, and the defending ambushers still use formations favored by Sun Tzu of Wu
@@shinsenshogun900 sorry by the brilliant zhuge liang who perfected it and sun tzu wasnt a part of the wu dynasty it was zhuge jin of wu
Atleast they tried. Decent enough for a war movie, doesn't matter on realism, atleast I can enjoy movies that shows some formations and such action stuff.
5:01 Welcome to the rice fields, motherfuckers.
There are careful ambushes, there are obvious traps, and then there's this.
total war: red cliff...!
D jake think there was a three kingdom mod for rome total war
Give this guy an award you just predicted the future bro
Yep, there is total war about the three kingdom...
Is that chakravyuha formation from Mahabharat?
So CaoCao had the political advantage and can gather army in the imperial name(fast and good cause).SunQuan has the solid Base his father and brother had left him so he can do what he want without the worrying of backstabbing(this CaoCao cant do).LiuBei has the best man resource for his popularity.
Aquila_Sieg yep
If all of them in those time rally for there nation exactly China will easily to rule Asia in those time
That last guy on the horse was so shook. They should have kept him alive to spy for them with promise of gold and bread. If he refuses then dress him up as a woman and have him dance for them.
敵の投げた槍をキャッチして、自分の槍にする趙雲カッコイイ!
Zhang fei must be chinese Hulk
he guy leading the cavalry has to be the worst general off all time. lets charge them with horses!!! and once we reached them lets do nothing but run around... wtf?
mylittlepuke 101
i dont get it bro, sorry
+babylonian5 Ya and u should convince horse to charge against fuckin large shield raised by heavily formed troops
양정원
couldnt they just get off the horses when they got close ?
And then? Then they do what? And u know if all those cavarly try to get off from horses the formation will be broken and it will be rly messy so it can be a great chance for enemy to attack suddenly or shoot the arrows again
양정원
well, compared to what they did here, anything would be batter to be honest.
I'm not a historian, nor am I trying to sound like one. Chinese Antiquity crossbows were so cumbersome, they were usually deployed in 2 man teams with a shield to act as the loader, to position the crossbow, and the shooter. Also mainly used to repel and advance troop formations.
in reality only dumb general would engage that formation head on... especially on that clear plain...
This formation can easily be broken as it is just a few lines deep, not that charging head on is the best tactic.
I would like to see them attacking in this clever formation. That would be so fun.
Как будто 100000000 раз репетировали😅😅😅😅😅
I wish a director would try depicting it with a more realistic interpretation of the source book, no Dynasty Warrioring armies left and right.
Well what were you expecting from a John Woo picture? That guy directed "Face/off", "Broken Arrow" and "Mission Impossible 2", being over the top and free of any grounding in reality is kind of his thing. But if you are hoping to see a more realistic depiction on the three kingdoms era in china that is more true to the source material of the novel "The Romance of Three Kingdoms" then may I suggest the original 1994 "Romance of Three Kingdoms" TV series. It is so true the source material of the novel that there and entire scenes taken from the book with dialog taken word for word. Just stay away from the 2010 remake of that TV series, that remake is even more cheesier that this video and far less entertaining.
It looks like the guy in the thumbnail is wearing a white ballcap backwards
I can’t unsee it now
A moment of silence for all horses who are hurt 😞
Honestly speaking yea rip. But they probs tried to save horses. They're pretty expensive.
I feel like that's the difference between Hollywood action movies and Chinese action movies. Movies like this put any semblance of plausibility on the back burner and force you to suspend your disbelief for the sake of the action. It's not for everyone and it doesn't always work but when it does work the action delivers on a level that no western movie has been able to match.
WHY THE FUCK CAVALRY DID NOT CHARGED INTO THIS STRANGE FORMATION ?!
I have exacly the same question in my mind............
Not that I'm being a Trollinator - the other option is to send the 'grunts' - so spear warriors and swords warriors and perhaps shielded warriors to take the formation head-on - I mean notice the cavalry were being peppered with arrows left and right - and if you haven't got mounted archers or atleast spears/swords to throw and all you've got are just CQB weapons - no point NOT charging into the Tortoise Formation eh? I mean also who's to say also that the ENEMY will then send out heavily armored shield units or even armored cavalry in response to your cavalry and all the while when the enemy are free to spam-shot arrows from bow-happy archers eh? Unless you've got perhaps cannons or a Tiger I tank or something ... or airplanes armed with napalm bombs or HE 500 kg bombs ...
HeirofGojira91 I continue to see you're comments, all I can say is that you're not standing alone in the fight against ignorance. I will continue to aid and support you, great Internet warrior!
Drafe zard Hahaha - you're very kind... well one just has to try to see both sides at times before drawing a line in the sand or such ...
Though now that you mention it - back to this comment I had made - then again the other way to break through the formation is to use flaming missiles and projectiles fired from giant cross-bows or perhaps catapults which I'm sure would have been available by then given catapults would have been used since ancient times even prior to the 3 Kingdoms ... although the problem would be that the enemy could also have catapults set up, cavalry or even sappers to try to disrupt the catapult crew - but still fired from a healthy distance and firing spamfuls of flaming missiles or oil - even if you use shields to block it - I'm sure given the fact if the shields were metallic and metal being a good conductor of heat PLUS the impact of the projectile slamming down onto you....
HeirofGojira91 Well they do use catapults near the end of the film and it certainly breaks through their formations then. I think the issue is to move heavy artillery such as this takes a long time to move and Cao Cao (in the film at least) is some what impatient to win the war. Not to mention that they would have to set up the catapults and they didn't know that they were going into battle until it was too late due to it being an ambush and such. Lastly if either or both of them were using some form of artillery I'm sure they would of used different tactics/formations anyway.
This part of the movie is deliberately unrealistic (combining the superhuman wuxia genre with historical fiction) but I enjoy how it is used to demonstrate many principles of Chinese war philosophy: use of terrain as an advantage, using a smaller but better trained army vs. a larger one, luring an enemy into a trap by creating a false weakness in your defenses, disrupting an enemy's communication and re-supply lines, etc.
0:31 "Hey look! the enemies are making a big circle, let's all go inside!! :) Seems legit!"
They couldn't see that circle, they didn't have bird eye view ;) besides, there was sand everywhere, they couldn't see a shit anyway.
@Sirtael Ellevalerie Ok, you dont do any scouting, becuase your plan is to go just ahead and hope for the best.
Great plan. Works every time.
Except, when it does not.
@@pavelivanov2999 they was in the open, hailed by arrows. Not a best situation to planning. In the midst of enemies they at least couldn't be shoot at.
@@sirtaelellevalerie1056 i dont get, how someone can say that this looks some what plausible.
It makes no sense.
Charging blindly is plain stupid, only an amateur or a mad man would do such a thing.
Secondly in real life such a formation would be broken easily.
When commenting on how bad this scene is one does not know, where to start.
It is just incredibly retarded.
@@pavelivanov2999 "t makes no sense.
Charging blindly is plain stupid, only an amateur or a mad man would do such a thing" when enemy has superior firepower and you have no cover, charging is the best option (most of the time) www.businessinsider.com/the-most-famous-bayonet-charge-of-modern-conflict-2012-10
There exist Two-handed swords in museums today that some would claim are legit, despite having similar overkill as Guan Yu's Glaive. Later it was discovered to be a wallpiece made during a later era.
Humans today are the biggest, strongest and healthiest ever. Warriors back then would make a name for themselves and become legends. When people write them down based on hyperbole and hearsay I call BS.
Achilles was based on a great soldier who became a legend, which then became a friggin superhero.
marguan yu used a kwan dao or pudao in ancient china not a glaive the correct term is guan dao guan yu became the god of war respected by friend and foe alike he was considered a legenad and hero to people he is worshipped by chinese people
@@hahnsolo1589 "It is comparable to the Japanese naginata and the European fauchard or glaive" ref. Guandao.
And yeah. Legend and hero. Aka not real.
@@MartinTraXAA it is real go to china to see it there is a martial artist who used it for a weapon the europeans perfected it go the bejing military museum to see it most populsr weapon among martial artists
this movie is based on a book. written in the late 1500's about an event 2000 years ago. wait hold on, that sounds alot like another very popular book that people made churches and started countless wars about. i really do not see how this movie is somehow less realistic then any hollywood war movie or the bible.
One word, Ignorance! This is not based on RoTk it's only based is the same time period from actual history.
Harvey Specter
people will find any reason to be racist.
the most impressiv, is not the diciplin and traning, to make this formations work... it is that the enemy actully fell for it.
For those people who think this is unrealistic, consider Troy.
RisePanda I remember watching this on Netflix and somewhere else years ago loved it
Lol consider Troy. I have and yeah this movie is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who has any combat experience knows that this movie is so far from realistic. Troy is at least somewhat believable.
@@luisfrias7430 "believable" lmao
i'm guessing that the dude with the glaive is Guan Yu but who are the other ''special'' fighter that gets screen time?
Zhao Yun on white horse, Former retainer of Gongsun Zan from the North, and saved his liege Liu Bei's baby son in the opening battle of the movie,
I forgot the Wu general that participated in there (I'll edit this segment if I remembered his name), he later dies in the Fire on the Red Cliffs, And Zhang Fei, the big bearded bear, known for serving Liu Bei alongside Guan Yu, his oathbrothers, and having fierce tempers as a combat officer
that is a guan dao not a glaive chinese term it is zhang fei and zhao yun who uses a spear he lived to be about 70 years old