Battle of Kawanakajima #1 (18 October 1561) - Takeda clan vs Uesugi clan
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Cut from Japanese movie "Ten to Chi to" (Heaven and Earth) 1990.
The battles of Kawanakajima (川中島の戦い Kawanakajima no tatakai) were fought in the Sengoku period of Japan between Takeda Shingen of Kai Province and Uesugi Kenshin of Echigo Province in the plain of Kawanakajima, "the island between the rivers", in the north of Shinano Province. The location is in the southern part of the present-day city of Nagano. Five major battles took place there: Fuse in 1553, Saigawa in 1555, Uenohara in 1557, Hachimanbara in 1561, and Shiozaki in 1564. The best known and most severe among them was fought on October 18, 1561, and was only fought in the heart of the Kawanakajima plain, thus being the "battle of Kawanakajima". The battles were fought after Shingen conquered Shinano, expelling Ogasawara Nagatoki and Murakami Yoshikiyo, who subsequently turned to Kenshin for help. The battles became one of the most cherished tales in Japanese military history, the epitome of Japanese chivalry and romance, mentioned in epic literature, woodblock printing and movies.
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@@martink3082 its not from ran but it is very similar to the scene in ran, may still be kurosawa though. whatever its from he defiantly ripped it off lol.
*edit* its from heaven and earth.
There were ALOT OF MEN involved in these Battles.
I never knew Japan had such a large proportion of Men under Arms, during this period of Japanese History.
It's extraordinary.
I was there, it was crazy
Wow I love japanese Manga
My dad and all my relatives were extras on here . This movie was made west of calgary . Its awesome to have played as yukimura sanada on samurai warriors. Played as takeda on shogun and to find out years later my dad standing in takeda armour as an extra
Did they really cut the horses leg to make it fall as shown in the movie? That looks too real man.
@@impactodelsurenterprise2440 th-cam.com/video/v1NyrVj9occ/w-d-xo.html A stuntman does a little explaining about how they used to do it.
So the rumours that White extras were used in this movie were true then...
Is it true that all extras get to keep the armour sets used?
@@szhou2513 I dont remember my dad having it unless it sold it or something. He was one of the red soldiers
do you know the chant there doing when they march to the Takeda? 3:59
This is one of the most visually stylish samurai movies I have seen. Every frame is a painting. Hats off to the production design.
Name of the movie?
@@oddwanmamoth Heaven and Earth (1990). But please do watch videos on the Kawanakajima war by channels like The Shoghunate or others, otherwise you wouldn’t get the context 👍
Thank you sir.
Spain and Portugal take at great gift a japanese in their wars: firearms.
But the storyline isnt that great
10:36
when realm divide hits
And you weren't prepared for it
I absolutely love how realistic this part of this fight scene is @7:00 . LITERALLY almost all movies show armies, blindly rushing in with spears and swords in hand, seemingly ready to impale themselves as they just run and charge into the enemy forces. This however, shows the armies never, EVER, breaking their ranks and formation to start randomly fight one on one amongst the entire enemy force. The ones that do break formation, are the ones that end up getting picked off and killed. Fuckin awesome.
The men armed with the long spears, Yari, are doing the old "push of pike," like European armies from the 15th, 16th and early 17th centuries. swap uniforms, armor styles, add a little artillery and this could be Pavia or Lutzen. Convergent evolution, military style. You're right. This is really well done!
It’s good to get your dander up but it’s discipline that wins the day!
sorry to say but this was not the way armies fought at the time. Infantries armed with pikes fought in very tight rangs, each man was very close to next in line, literally shoulder to shoulder. Cavalry never stops to fight the enemy standing still, they swipe the field cutting and slashing whatever in their way...
Watch Alatriste's pike clash. one of the best.
@@Seathal : I've seen it. You're right, it's fantastic!
didn't know they had cameras of this good quality in 1561
Yeah I was shocked 😂🤯
Same
I feel like in some point someone is going to be r/wooshed
Real footage Battle of Kawanakajima 18 October 1561 colorized 🤣
I’m surprised that no one has been woooshed yet
10:36 when you loose your entire elite unit in total war
Underrated comment.
武田軍20000VS上杉軍13000の戦い。武田軍は12000を妻女山にやり、本隊を8000にしたから守りの戦いを強いられた。武田軍の動きを察知した上杉軍は夜に山を下り、武田軍の本隊に突っ込んで乱戦となった。武田軍が戦死者3000、上杉軍も3000の戦死者を出す壮絶な戦いとなった。
My mother's ancestors fought against Uesugi Kenshin and served Maeda Toshiie. I think that fighting with steel swords is much more dangerous than people realize. My son thinks that the Sengoku Jidai is a game and told him that it was not a good time for anyone.
No one cares
@@cooorsbanq4226 😂
Yeah people dont realize how much chaos was going on in Japan.
That's uber cool family history.
@@deadby15 I think that living in those times was hell on earth and my grandfather fought in the Russo-Japanese War at the Battle of Port Arthur. He told my father that some soldiers fought against Russians using Japanese samurai swords. The fighting was extremely intense. My father fought in WWII against the Germans in Italy and in France and you cannot believe the carnage.
The Sengoku Jidai is one of my favorite historical periods. The Armor, Banners (Sashimono) and weapons of the period are really cool and the personalities involved (Oda Nobunaga, Hediyoshi Toyotomi, Takeda Shingen and a whole host of others) makes reading about the period interesting. But it is easy to forget that there was great suffering during this period, many civilians died and being a lowly Ashigaru probably wouldn't have been all that hot.
And of course I forgot, Thank you for the video!
Yeah, I totally agree! Finally I found someone who Knows a lot about samurai history!
Tokugawa Ieyasu managed to establish himself as the undisputed ruler of Japan after getting rid of Ishida Mitsunari at the Battle of Sekigahara and Toyotomi Hideyori at the Siege of Osaka
idk being ashigaru was probaly not so bad we often has the perception of farmers living in peace etc when in realitly they where often raided and ridded by disize so they wouldnt have found it so different probaly even more fun since they went on a adventure, since they basicly died where they where born. battles where probaly scary yes but there where not that many casaulties like in ww1 the many casaulties where mostly beceuse of the routs. but there was still loads of disize. and also they get paid much more if they do well they can be promoted to samurai in the earlier senguko jidai wich can lead their families out of the missery as living as a farmer. but it still depends on the person and position in society. my point is that being a soldier was probaly sometimes even better then staying at home.
@@goodcomrade2949 It truly all depends, you are right, an Ashigaru who performed well could get a promotion, maybe given a title or some land, but those were few and far between. Peasent life in those days wasnt so hot I agree, but being on the bottom of the command chain as well as being expendable to some degree, plus having to do a vast majority of the manual labor in the camp....no, It would have been neither glamourus or fun. Plus if your Clan that you were from wasnt so succesful in battle it would be a decent chance you would get beheaded....either during a battle or after a siege. There are examples of clemency after seiges, but many examples of brutality as well...again, it would be a difficult existence and having a couple handfuls of rice to eat a day would be difficult over a long campaign season. I am happy however to agree to disagree...happened a long time ago and your sources might say something different to mine. One place we can agree is that the period is fascinating and fun to read about.
Praise to the cameramen who survived this battle to deliver us this lost piece of history nearly 500 years later
Everyone is getting tired of the same old "cameraman" line
Time travel damn
Just a short Tardis travel
@@sardaukerlegion yup
Uesugi should have lost. Their cavalries are inferior and I don't see any warrior monks present.
That's what I learnt from Shogun 2: Total War
Wilson: I've won battles against them with just spearmen, archers and a few cavalry. Don't fight them on level ground and they ain't they ain't near as effective as they should be.
Cretinous Jester lol
Dammit!! The video must be fake, shogun 2 was more accurate
Shogun1: Total war learned a lot from this film. No kidding. Aslo Shogun1 was the first Total war game. So you can imagine the film shocked people of that time. There was not anything like this before.
LOL
That moment when you Don't understand language but you want to keep watching...priceless
that sutra chant when Uesugi Army appeared is chilling 10/10
Anyone here because of Total war Shogun 2 ?
we are here becasuse , we read TAIKO!!! The Book!
No.
I'm here because of Nobunagas Ambition
Ma dude il here because of shogun total war 2
Me
Samurai warriors
I don't know why I love so much about Samurai and their culture. Now in the 21st century, some of them in Japan still keep their tradition and their custom alive which I loved the most.
Which would be a joke in the eyes or Sengoku samurai, because most of the so called samurai culture was a Edo period forgery when the samurai were no more than poor fedual lords or lowly guard for wealthy merchants. The only samurai culture that is not a joke would be Oribe-ryu Chato, which most westerners can hardly understand, let alone its appreciation.
@@fsdds1488
I would even say that it was more the Meji period mystifying the Samurai than the Edo did.
@@therac197 True, I would say Edo period laid many foundations for future interpretations of Bushido, and militarists during Meiji and Taisho period elaborated those concepts into what we know as Bushido today, in the due course mystifying many ancient figures to set example for their version of Bushido code and promote militarist ideals, and the neo-militarist represented by Mishima Yukio further modernised its concept to support their cultural defense theory, formulating the far right sentiment we see today.
we need more movies like this now, where its just a fuckload of extras used as soldiers like in waterloo. That would be rad af
Extras give it a sense of scale that I think CGI just can't replicate at the moment.
The Entire Soviet Red Army was used as extras in Waterloo.
We could use worldwide weaboos to provide the Katanas, and just teach them the basics of Sengoku period tactics lemaoo
@@hamiltormo5316 the fact that you know all that shit makes it obvious that you're a massive weeb yourself, I dont judge however to each their own
@@imightbearacist6613 It is obvious that the comment is a joke, and should not be taken seriously.
Plus, it's a comment on the internet!
Take a chill pill!
And what if I watch anime? Is it wrong?
日本合戦モノ、なかなか壮大でスケール大きな合戦もののが計画されない。全国の合戦は迫力あって、、決して飽きさせない戦国モノができる
Japanese samurai warriors are actually the best; very extremely reliable, tough, and also honorable 🇯🇵⚔️🇯🇵🪖🇯🇵
4:13 This is a Japanese sutra called Bishamonten Shingon.
毘沙門天真言 [ON BAYSHIRA MAN DAYA SOWAKA].
It is said to be good to chant it 108 times.
In Hinduism too, many mantras are supposed to be chant 108 times.
Do you know what are they doing at 8:40?
Suwa Taisha shrine, one of the oldest shrines in Japan,
is located within Takeda's territory.
The Suwashu are the guardians of this territory.
th-cam.com/video/pQJQ-eGHH8Y/w-d-xo.html
This is called Suwa-daiko from the Suwa region.
The purpose of the performance is to inspire the morale of soldiers on the battlefield.
It seems to have been an eyesore for Kenshin.
@@priyesh3357 war drums got embushed
Wow, an actual realistic battle with soldiers fighting in formations not Hollywood scattered duels 1 vs 1 without any order.
More likely to survive without the order that these people had to face bk then
I live 5 mins away from the battle field and I drive pass there everyday to work. It's nice knowing many people around the world knows about my home town. Team Uesugi baby!!!
Boo, got to be Team Takeda, can you imagine if they had joined forces and gone after the Tokugawa and Oda, they admired each other, i wonder if it had ever crossed their minds??
why is Uesugi better than Takeda?
@@Petey0707 They are not, otherwise the Uesugi would have marched on Kyoto, but they didnt, Shingen on the other hand beat a combined force of Tokugawa and Nobunaga Samurai, in fact he decimated them, Ieyasu barely got away with his life..
@@OldAgeTeddyboy They almost did, crazy enough. Takeda Shingen’s son Takeda Katsuyori and Uesugi Kenshin entered into an alliance in 1578 to defeat Oda and Tokugawa, but he fell ill to esophageal cancer.
@@OldAgeTeddyboy thats like napoleon winning the coalition war, a dream, an idea hahah
Move swift as the wind, be closely formed like the wood, attack like the fire and be still as the mountain - Takeda Shingen.
風林火山(ΦωΦ)
Woah, you brought me back to this video.
Parts of this were filmed in Canada my dad was one of the red soldiers.
Red with the four diamond emblem are the Takeda. The dark blue with the Japanese hanji are the Uesugi. The two clans were legendary rivals during the Sengoku Jidai.
You know what is good about this japanese show? Its the way they portray the battle, actually using military formations and not that stuff of ignoring the line and start pushing and rekting enemy lines
This is an exception, also some of the newer shows did quite well in historical accuracy.
@@fsdds1488 outlaw king did some good things, yet they failed with absolute historical accurate combat and martial arts (kind of an ok to that) and some of the armors just... Over sized, broken mail coats... That probably didnt happen. The King tried, did some good too but that cavalry charge with swords and some of the armors... Just Meh. Vikings messed everything up with biker leather vests here and there and Knightfall... Decent show, but with alot of historical errors (many on purpose)
@@EduardoFerreira-gi7wo Just watched Alatrise, the pike push is very on spot, the only downside is that they still broke formation and became a brawl.
fs dds
Doesn’t the frontlines of Pike formations often devolve to chaotic brawling once their pikes have been broken or the enemy gets too close tho?
samurai battles, one of the greatest history in Japan the battle between two fearsome warlords rule over Japan.
小学生のとき、父親に連れてもらい見たキッカケで歴史が好きになった映画です😊
賛否両論あるみたいだけど感謝の映画です。
勘助一隊の加勢に行くシーンは子ども心ながらカッコよく切ないと思いました。
映画見た翌日には家族全員で見て、また翌週には実際に川中島に行きました😊😊😊😊😊
10:36 "SHIT"!
Lisandro Ringer lol
must have learned from British merchant.
I've come back to this video three times just to click this time link and laugh
Classic! :')
In more ways than one
I'm really impressed with the acting these horses did.
I've heard that this film had the highest budget for horses out of any movie.
Actually the battle plan for this battle was Yamamoto kansuke`s, it was his idea to seperate the army in the hope of catching kenshin unaware, but kenshin must have has the same idea, this was the 4th battle of kawanakajima and the bloodiest, it's also where Kansuke would commit seppuku for putting his lord in danger, it's also where Shingen and Kenshin would meet on the battlefield or more importantly Kenshin would get inside Shingens camp and attack him, Shingen not having time to draw his sword used his battle fan to ward of the blows from Kenshin's sword, after this Kenshin was forced from Shingens camp and retired from the battlefield, Takeda Shingen stayed, this would be a Takeda Victory, it wasn't the last time these two foes would face each other there was to be a fifth meeting at Kawanakajima, which was pretty much a staring contest with minor skirmishes..
Thanks for the info Teddyboy 👍👍👍👍👍
I think Yamamoto Kansuke appears in the movie, with a huge scar across his face.
@@johneaton25 Im a wealth of information when it comes to Takeda Shingen and the Generals under him..
@@yxx_chris_xxyHe has been portrayed as being blind in one eye and lame, and using a Naginata to help him walk, its said he lost an eye to Smallpox as a child, while there are many tales about him, its hard to find evidence they were true, apart from his eye that is..
@@OldAgeTeddyboy Keep up the good work Teddyboy 👍
武田信玄と上杉謙信・・・。
隣国でなければ直接争うこともなく、
お互いに天下に覇と唱えたかもしれん。
源氏の武田と平家の上杉。
まさに戦国の世の英雄２人。
上杉・武田・北条が隣接しあった結果信長の強運
To quote the legendary military strategist and general, Sun Tzu: “ No man can win a battle in Floral Orange. I mean it’s orange. Dude! Please!” (end of quote)
I wish this clip had English subtitles. It would be very useful to use in history classes.
10:36 says it all.
th-cam.com/video/ex-h3f2peqE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=eRM3bZEwIYPQiuJ_
Search for Heaven Earth Japanese movie. The full movie has English subtitles
Beautiful video! My like and support!
Increíble todos tus vídeos muestran batallas épicas likazo saludo.
A great scene for Battle of Kawanakajima here. Absolutely love it 🙂.
This is my favorite battle of the Sengoku era because of the strategies and the discipline involved on both sides! Truly, a masterful clash between a tiger and a dragon!
OK wushu joe
@@surenotejas3163 Wushu is Chinese...
That chant sounds like a prayer before the battle about to start
Highlight of the battle 9:22 Wardrums vs. Arqubussiers/muskets......
Guns were a game changer and that is no exaggeration
@@morningmidnight9398 You can blame the Portuguese for that. Shimazu loved them guns.
I would love to see a full dramatized TV show about either end or the whole Sengoku Jidai era. I wanted to add that I saw brief history of this era and at the end the exchange of power was swift and brutal. Which is why I think it would make for a good TV show kind of like Rome.
There are so many Japanese taiga dramas regarding the Sengoku period.
3:59 What a scene!!!
4:13 i hear they're saying bishamonten hesonao
Bishanonte swadha....
Swadha is a indian term which comes from sanskrit "Swaha" which means sacrifice and glory tl(to the person/deity/god).
"Agnaye Swaha" means glory and sacrifice (butter, milk, cream or, other things) to the Agni or, fire (in sanskrit). Here Agni is the personification or, deitified force of Fire.
Bai Shiramonaya Sowaka
English subtitles would be nice.
they are speaking English!! 10:36
full movie with subs is in youtube now
4:12 "oM vaizravaNaaya svaahaa": mantra of Vaiśravaṇa, 毘沙門天 in Japanese, one of the Four Heavenly Kings, which Uesugi Kenshin worshipped.
What is the point of all these silly battles? Pointless killing for the overlord who is just another greedy human.
@@fitnesspoint2006 Indeed. If they were born in our era, all the buddhists would harshly criticise them.
@@shingokatou surprise! heiei mountain monks and ikko ikki honganji buddist sects even went to war and join the coalition with samurai clans to attack Oda Nobunaga during sengoku period...
Such a dope movie. Still got an old vhs copy of Heaven and Earth even though I don't have a vcr to play it anymore.
Fun fact, "Memoirs of the former Uesugi retainers" has revealed that Kenshin at the later stage of this battle was ambushed by a small force of routed Takeda soldiers and has his elite Hatamoto samurai defeated, he barely eascaped the slaughter because his two retainers, Honjo Shigenaga and Nagao Fujikage brought reinforcements and saved him, later he would accuse these two man of disloyalty because they have the delusion of being their master's saviour and had Shigenaga killed, Fujikage was informed of this incident and rebelled to save his own life, this showed how a jerk and weak ass Kenshin is in real life.
did takeda shingen write this
@@Ryan_Garrie Go read Echigo Fumishu
@@Ryan_Garrie You mean you didnt know this??
@@Ryan_Garrie
*Nobunaga
Bro you speak English. I didn't know they also spoke English back then lol
この頃の角川は金持ってたなぁ…カナダロケでエキストラもほとんど外国人。
黒人さんもいたけど引きで撮っているし、甲冑付けているから分かり辛くしてる。
お陰で合戦シーンも割と迫力あるものに仕上がっている。
Actually, both forces were thick fog, and they could not see each other until they clashed together. This was famous history
of Japan and as poem also.
3:51
軍神降臨
謙信相手に正面から野戦決戦で持ちこたえるのは武田信玄くらいだろう。
These guys fought one hell of a battle!
Impresionantes ejércitos, gallardos, disciplinados, poderosos, leales... no entiendo cómo no dominaron el mundo de esa época
No tenian armada , imposible.
@@gustavolebrech8883, es cierto, Japón es una isla y por lo leído sus mares son bravos y difíciles de navegar.
公開当時酷評されたと思うが、今見返すと意外な傑作かも？
ほんまおもんないで!!
角川社長が黒澤の真似事したオナニー映画っすわ。
great battle 🤠😊 here comes a👍👍 a big like 👍👍🤓 🙃
At 4:02 the sort of mantra during the march is so powerful, it's really sort of creepy. It's the soundtrack of the movie right ? It almost seems like it was the troops that chanted that. That.... wasn't a thing right ?
ラストのシーン、上杉の車がかりの陣の予備兵力投入シーン
読経唱えながらの進軍は流石に武田軍も恐怖だよな。
Heaven and earth I believe is the movie I remember watching it as a kid back in the 90’s or so Lolz
The good old days before CGI ruined everything.
Great video
Can someone tell me what the are chanting starting at 3:30
7:36 This is why teachers say work together
One of my favorite war movies. :)
この時の武田軍は全身黒色の甲冑なんだよな
第四次川中島から山縣昌景隊（武田騎馬隊）が赤の甲冑で全身を揃えたことから、武田軍は赤の甲冑というのが今までの間で広まって定着しちゃったんだよな
この時の山縣隊は矢が雨のように降ってくる戦場を駆け巡ったことから上杉軍は恐怖して士気が下がり、武田軍は士気が上がり、信玄公からも目立つ赤色が活躍していたことから働きを十分認められたといいます
上杉家臣の小島弥太郎と山県昌景が一騎討ちで組み合ってる時に、
義信が危なくなってたので、小島に懇願して見逃して貰って山県が救援に駆け寄ったという逸話もあるよ。
別動隊が駆けつけた時、武田本隊の2/3部隊以上が戦闘不能になってたから、いかに上杉軍の猛攻が凄まじいか。
その逸話は知りませんでした
勉強になります
4:37
Did he just say "oh-shit!"
goddammit I can't unhear it now
I think he did!
4:36
I heard “dog shit”
Me ha gustado tu vídeo. Cuenta con mi apoyo con las nuevas reglas que ha fijado TH-cam. Like
Anyone know if this is streaming anywhere? Apparently Netflix had it at one point but no longer.
👍 20, excelente vídeo 🙌😉👍
Thanks.
Not a cellphone in sight, everyone just living in the moment
what movie is that?
Extras! No CGI. Love it.
And those falls off the horses. Taking big bumps. Probably rodeo cowboys doing the stunt work.
What movie is this from?
What are the Uesugi troops chanting? Are they invoking Bishamonten?
our man running from the battlefield a shamefur dispray
A Black Day my Lord, our general has fallen!
The men are fatigue my lord and some must rest!!!
Name of the film is
Heaven and Earth!😎
どっちもカッコいい!!!!!!!
What's this film? ::
gotta love those movies with hundreds of extras
Awesome scene. I hope i can see Dr.Ditch reacts this scene
👌🏻good vid!! ✌🏻+1 like👍🏻
Nice video my friend! 👌🙂Like! 👍👍👍
米沢上杉まつりで、
これくらい本格的に
やったら、
どうなりますかね？
Nice video
Super video
What's the chant Uesugi clan does while marching?
some buddhist prayer.
What movie is this
敵陣に向け、太鼓を打ち鳴らしながら進む様は無謀にも思えるが、スコットランドのバグパイプ演奏にも通じるものがある。
士気を上げるのに一役買ってるんだろうな
I used to have this movie on VHS back in the day. Now I have a hard time finding it anywhere.
Been wanting to find Ten toChi to but haven't been able to yet. Hope the internet answers my prayers.
Hola buen vídeo socio un saludo lake
That Red lord armor is amazing
Great video
★★★★★
My ancestor fought against Shingen Takeda.🥲
In Glorious 480p...perfect for the respect of these Great Warriors!
최강의 기병대 다케다 신겐 대 우에스기 겐신의 가와나카지마 전쟁 장면이군요. 이 칼싸움 기병대 전쟁영화 제목이 뭔가요?
天と地と (Heaven and Earth) 하늘과 땅과
諏訪の兵たちはよくわからんな
The armies of the Dragon of Echigo and the Tiger of Kai clash!!
More like: The two jerk clashed with each other for more slaves.
@@fsdds1488 I think you're confused.
@@bitTorrenter No, its a common practice at the time to capture civilians and sold them as slaves, but Kenshin in specific preferred massacre more than looting population and wealth.
Are they saying "Bishamonten" when they're singing?
I wouldn’t be surprised. Their mon is the first character in Bishamonten’s name.
@@seansorice722 yet Uesugi Kenshin him/herself claiming to be the embodiment of Bishamonten
Bai Shiramonaya Sowaka
This looks like Clan Shimura and Clan Sakai about to battle each other.
Ghost of Tsushima players will understand. 👆
who do they say when they arrive on the battlefield, the men of the Uesugi clan?Please.
There was my father in Japan Ground Self-Defense Force fourth Division .
went to shooting in the members of the bow corps in extra staff.
Good old at all ten to chi to.