@@notallopinionswerecreatede4465 also there are tons of videos that atually have sources and reports unlike the holocaust deniers, the holdomor is a myth that only has lies and deceptions also most photos were from Hungary or lets say ww1 Austria Hungary whatever that shithole Monarchy was called kill all Kings alright
Even if committing genocide technically 'wasn't against the rules' there comes a point where something so universally and immorally wrong shouldn't need to be explicitly stated for it to be considered immoral, if we went by the whole "wasn't against the rules at the time" argument then specific Germans wouldn't have been able to be prosecuted after WW2.
@@pressftopayrespects6325 War crimes only count if you lose. Winners never get prosecuted for their war crimes. That is the ultimate truth of geopolitic.
@@mechanicalsilence1 Nope, Britain and France in certain colonies alone killed far more people than the Ottomans in their entire history, wars included. Where the Ottomans necessarily good? No, but they were fairly normal and much less atrocious than other European colonial empires were.
@@pressftopayrespects6325 source ? Also, if you take in percentage, Ottomans killed much more, about 75% to be precise. The goal of colonies were never to exterminate another group of people. On top of that, France and Britain did admit that they participated in war crimes in colonies and they are not trying to belittle the unethical actions their ancestors made while Turkey does not even admit their was a massacre.
@@feudela4357 I cannot say much about the topic since I do not have any ofical papers but my grandfather, who is currently almost 100 years old, used to tell me stories about how "Armenian traitors" were killed. We still have got a cassette tape of him telling the stories. However I do believe this matter is being over exaggerated. It was not orders straight given by Ottoman Sultans or Pashas, it was commaners who have planned most of it out locally. Actually government took actions once they saw the massacres were taking place but they did not do much. When it comes to your concrete evidences I hope you could read them well from this video as it is not really visible and that could be anyone's speculation. I would not suggest you make any accusation without knowing all the sides to the story
Well I guess there is only so much TH-cam can do when the advertisers have been known to leave when too many ads are shown with "unhappy topics" *Cough* adpocalypse *cough*
You also lied about this topic on your channel, you won’t reply because facts are not in your favor. No wonder you call yourself the “AlternateHistoryHub.”
@@pressftopayrespects6325 Okay then, mind telling us why? I’ve done my own research on the Armenian Genocide and it seems like both Cody (AlternateHistoryHub) and Knowing Better were accurate. I care a lot about the accuracy of historical depiction, and these people seem to be doing that job quite well, in spite of TH-cam’s unprecedented corruption, they refuse to stop educating people on these events, and the Armenian Genocide is necessary for knowledge because it’s denied by its country, even civilians who speak the truth about this mass murder of the Ottoman Armenians are punished. Because they speak the truth. As someone born in the UK can say, every country, ethnicity or group in history has done something we’re not proud of, which Cody said best in his video. And by acknowledging this genocide for what it really is, then we can learn from it and become better people. Historical inaccuracy - whether downplaying or glorifying these events, should be discouraged because it paints an unfair picture that we can’t properly learn from because it doesn’t correspond with reality. So please, lay out the information for why these people are wrong.
In regards to the rape aspect that you mentioned about 11 and 1/2 minutes into this video, it's because of one major thing: rape isn't done for sexual attraction. It's done to exert power and to harm and to humiliate or even dishonor someone. To destroy them. And that's why it's done so much in situations like these.
It can be both. It's mostly both. A lot of rape is over sexual attraction, but a lot of rapists also have issues with a lack of power (or the feeling of, lots have power but do not feel they do, people are complicated), and a need to exert said power in an unhealthy way. Some of the power stuff is in normal healthy sex too, this stuff is too complicated to say "x is always true and y is always false". Power is part of it, but also lots of soldiers are horny assholes with all the power and can do whatever they like. It's a big assumption to assume every soldier is a ideologue, most are just normal people who want a job, or a gun, or a position, or some mix. Most of the people who participated in genocide probably were less invested in the concept of genocide than in their paycheque. Indifferent even. They killed because they could and it was considered acceptable, if not encouraged, by their peer group and commanders. Doesn't mean they agreed with it. Apathy is it;s own evil.
Thank you! Another part of it is the middle eastern "ownership of wives" sentiment. It's thought that a way of exerting power over a man is to rape his wife.
There’s a symbolic aspect to it as well, especially during the time period being focused on in this context. Women were seen as a sort of motherly embodiment of their respective national identities, and sexual assault was weaponized in order to defile the “honor” of the enemy as a whole.
none of my history classes ever talked about the Armenian Genocide. as someone with heavy Armenian heritage, it’s a little frustrating to see the suffering of my ancestors ignored.
My Turkish Armenian grandfather had 4 of his 7 brothers killed during the Armenian genocide. Another was smuggled out of the country in a wagonload of dead bodies (he could never talk about this without crying) & the sixth brother presumably died when he was sent off on a forced march into the wilderness with nothing but the clothes on his back. All of his family's lands, wealth & possessions were confiscated. My grandfather & the remaining brother managed to escape to the US to establish themselves & hoped to move the rest of the family here. However, when it was time to send for his family, there was no one left to send for.
@@stolenmemesfromdiscord im a Turk, and i still do not claim that Armenian "Genocide" existed, yes countless civilians gave away their lives in the event but all of it was west's fault, Armenians were one of the most honest societies in the empire and in some cases they were called "trustful citizens" Armenian Genocide happened in 1915, but Turks are in Anatolia since 1071 if we take away the ones who fought in the War between nations, Armenians didnt rebelled until the 20th century heck there wasnt even hatred to Armenians, during the Genocide Armenian doctors ( Avedis Cebeciyan ) and soldiers were fighthing in the Gallipoli War, alongside with Kurds, Arabs and Turks, its dumb to think that Ottoman Empire just belonged to Turks, the founders were Turks not everybody was Turkish at 1915
@@Jabberwockybird As someone from the South, Mississippi is extraordinarily backwards, even by southern standards. There is a NOTICEABLE difference when crossing the border into Mississippi.
My grandfathers grandfather was killed in the pontic genocide, which went alongside with the armenian genocide. My grandfather still speaks pontic greek, and the way the international community ignores his reality and history upsets him to this day, it's something that weighs on me as well.
My great grandmother's father was killed in Smyrna. My family comes in large part from Asia Minor refugees. I am very happy that the Armenian genocide is recognised and I hope the Genocide of the Greeks from Pontus and other parts of Asia Minor is also recognised.
@@nickklavdianos5136 Most people are reactionaries. Greeks invaded Turkey and Turks massacred them. It was the Greek government that didn't evacuate the greeks form smyrna in fear of protests and coup. So the cycle goes on forever fueled by government propaganda
Thank you for mentioning this. I just looked this up and need to learn more Yes, we should reflect on this Holocaust. If you are American encourage the federally funded, 63 million annually, to have an exhibit on this. I am hopeful they will have Remembrance 2025, Armenian Holocaust, 110 Years. The federally funded US Holocaust Museum is in DC. I am hopeful the museum will look more holistically at Holocausts,which effected Americans including the Holocaust faced by our native people.
Germany: doesn’t lie about their history, apologizes for what they’ve done and educated future generations Japan: *I’m gonna do what’s called a pro gamer move*
It's more like, is this objectively true or not? The truth is, people call lots of things genocide that aren't, by definition. The issue isn't the atrocity itself. Rather, it's whether or not you are strict with how you label things.
Der el zor is not a dessert. Der el zor is very fertile. Because it's near the Euphratus River. In Mesopotamia, crops are harvested ten times a year near the river. Because there is no frost in the winter. In addition, the Ottomans did not have any extra ships to wait in vain in the Black Sea during the war only to kill civilians. Also, what do you think happened to the captains and crew of the ships? Did they, too, commit suicide for this ridiculous mission? If the Ottoman wanted to kill the Armenians, why would it spend time with a fantasy by using ships? The state could kill them directly if they wanted to. So nothing like that happened. Those ships went to Russia. This was a deportation.
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"Its not genocide when we almost killed everyone in that region but its genocide when we get responded with force" - Armenia
@@orkunyucel3095 Lol what are you smoking turk. "Relocating" someone in the middle of the desert with little to no food given is not a genocide eh? If the ottomans did have economic sickness (which they did) then why tf did they send these poor armenians in the middle of nowhere eh? Using your logic then they shouldve sent some turkish people as well eh? I mean turkish civs are just as vulnerable as the armenians were so why would they specifically "relocate" armenians only?
@@orkunyucel3095 You do know you sound like a Nazi defending the Holocaust right, finding excuses for actions or denying historical fact, does not help your case.
A quick correction: Anatolia has been called Turkey way before WW1. Many Italian cartographers during the 11th century AD, after Byzantines had lost much of the heartland, had already taken to labeling the interior Seljuk controlled territory as "Turchia". And Anatolia is still widely used both by the Turkish government and the people to refer to the region.
@@artinvartanian4631 yeah turkey and ottoman difference are just fabricated by historians to teach them more easily (much like byzantine and east roman)
@@artinvartanian4631 anatolia called turkey during the 11th century AD this is even in history documents described and there was no armenian genocide anatolia belongs to Turkish people not to armenians death to Asala
11:40 Rape in these cases is rarely about sexual desire and is mostly fueled by control, desegregation, and hate. It's motivated by a desire to demonstrate that you can take whatever they want from them and there's nothing they can do about it. You own them, it's the ultimate crime to be committed against a person. Hate for a person fuels rape, love motivates you to stop rape. You can't rape someone you love, so hated groups will always be the most susceptible to rape. BTW I really like your content
@J purple ramen Yeah but people hate rape more than murder. Just watch an action movie, often the good guys kill lots of people but the good guys don't rape, because it's considered an unjustified crime under all circumstances.
Sure, but good guys usually dont murder. To kill and to murder is not the same thing. To kill someone can be justified, and it is murder when no such justification exists.
@@TheKripox murder is a legal term and it has nothing to do with justification and everything to do with local law. Oftentimes the good guys kill whether it's legal or not.
@David McDonald if your grandmother and/or grandfather were procecuted made to walk through deserts and lost countless of their relatives you would want their suffering to be recognised
It's crazy to me that this video is demonetized. I understand the "algorithm" thinking it may be inappropriate but seeing that the manual review wasn't approved either... TH-cam is silly
Yea well it has to do probz with advertisers. It'll be an easy scoop for media: "Pepsi sponsors a vid aout the armenian genocide" and a chunck of revenue in turkey is gone.
@@Benbobr TH-cam really needs to have a different ad system for educational creators with a proven record of being advertiser friendly. Especially when it comes to history.
I only learned of the Armenian Genocide in high school because I listened to that nu-metal band, System of the Down and while reading about them and their heritage, I came across it. Finally, two years ago, Biden made a statement recognizing it. But only because it became politically expedient to do so.
Glink (cute Armenian youtuber) made a video about this a while back. History is sooo important and there is so much nuance that most people ignore totally. We need to speak about it.
My AP World History teacher went in depth with the Armenian Genocide and made sure we understood. I loved her. Her teaching style was to unearth history's secrets and then connect them to larger ideas. What an icon.
@@descree7 we learn all of this in our basic world history courses the more advanced the class the more in depth. World history gets taught over two years separate from American History which is also taught over two separate years
@Mobile Emulators well, thanks for generalizing a whole race I guess. Whatever, everybody wants to play the victim card. Turks say Armenians killed men and raped women, Armenians say Turks killed men and raped women. I am not here for that shit. I just want you to look at demographics of Ottoman Empire in 1906-1907, weird right? If nobody can read the archives as everybody says, how this one is publicly shared? Whatever, just look at the numbers and come again if you find something interesting.
8:50 Thanks for mentioning Assyrians, who history often forgets. Although 350,000 is on the lower end of the range of estimates, it is a large percentage of a population of about 3 million at the time. However, I will say that ironically, the "deportation" of Assyrians from different parts of the Ottoman Empire (which also occurred in Persia) to Syria and Iraq was a big step in reuniting many disparate tribes of Assyrians and led to a stronger national consciousness which today pervades much of the diaspora around the world.
I don't blame the son for the sins of the father, but at least recognize and acknowledge your ancestors mistakes. The past can't be changed but the future can.
@hasan veysel erol A thief who robbes out of greed or out of hunger? That makes a difference. A murderer who kills out of joy or out of danger? That makes a difference. A genocide for what ever reason? I need the reasons from the criminal himself to evaluate the degree of cruelty. And if you dont agree with this simple principle of justice than you are either emotional which impairs your sense of justice or a uncivilized, uncultured swine.
@hasan veysel erol" if a person defends a genocide, than he is also a criminal" I seriously hope that you are joking. Are you still a child? Thats like saying a lawyer ,who defends a 100% criminal person, becomes through the act of defending a criminal himself. You really are living in a dream world. LOOK I AM NOT SAYING THAT THERE COULD BE ANY JUSTIFICATION GOOD ENOUGH FOR SUCH A CRUELTY, but your low brain capacity really hurts my brain.
@hasan veysel erol MY GOD!!! I told you everything in my first comment in a coherent way and you still act like you dont know. I can believe how dumb people can be smh...
@hasan veysel erol nobody gives a shit if you like it or not. Thats not the point. The point was that YOU said every defendant is a criminal. Now tell me again that you agree with that. I want to see your ass in court one day without you allowed to say a word and without a lawyer.
My great grandmother lost everything to this genocide, her home, her family, and most disturbingly... her name. Because it happened when she was young, she didn't even know her birth name, just the name given to her in a greek orphanage, Esther Acsorian... Acsor meaning exile/deportee
Not Even My Name, by Thea Halo, published 2000: "Although Turkey actively suppresses the truth about the murder of almost three million of its Christian minorities--Greek, Armenian, and Assyrian--during and after World War I, and the exile of millions of others, here is a first-hand account of the horrors of that genocide."--Goodreads
16:30... Wait... They actually use that as a "defense"??? Wow. "I didn't know murdering a lot of people based on ethnicity was bad, we hadn't invented it as a concept yet."
It's not _"I didn't know",_ it's that it just wasn't on the books. Wanna hear a better one? Nazis successfully used _"You did it too"_ as a defence in their trials.
That's probably one of the strongest arguments actually. It's not that the word didn't exist. It's that the act at the time wasn't regarded as such a bad thing as it is today. It's anachronistic to try to judge them with today's values. At the same time we can use those same values to remember and learn
@@fgsaramago Not true. It happened only one century ago. Christianity, Islam AND international law forbade it, using different words than "genocide". If genocide had been an acceptable thing a hundred years ago, it would have been acceptable 20 years later (the Jewish holocaust) as well. It wasn't. The fact that people all over the world were reporting on it and eventually came up with a term for it, further illustrated the inacceptability of it. The world was horrified. The Armenian genocide is unknown to youth today NOT because it wasn't a big deal back then, but because corrupted politicians won't let us mention it.
“It’s like poetry, sort of they rhyme. Every stanza kinda rhymes with the last one. Hopefully it’ll work.” -George Lucas on the genocide of childhood memories of a galaxy far far away. “Yousa people gonna die” -Darth Binks
@@jackwilson9468 this has to be one of the most confusing things I have read. The second world war came from the after effects of the end of the Great War in Germany. How Hitler came to power was basically because of all the economic hardships and social tension present during the interim wars in Germany. Had nothing to do with Jews other than them being a comfortable scapegoat for Hitler to blame all the socio-economic problems of Germany on, which, he isn't alone doing so in history. Go watch some from Potential History, might help you.
Thank you for this video 💚 I don’t think you know how uplifting it is to see a non-Armenian educating about very real horrors that keeps being undermined and denied. I personally have already become so numb to the denial, the gaslighting makes me feel like I’m crazy. Thank you for validating our experience 🥰
@@scottjs5207 the USA has a great relationship with both Mexico and Canada and natives Americans are like less than 5 million in this country that is like 1 percent of this country there are more immigrants in America from different countries and how is our relationship strained with them nobody is racist to native they have programs to protect their heritage and shit like that hell they even have pocket nations inside the United States if that isn’t having a good relationship with them I don’t know what is imagine if in America ethnicities like Hispanics Germans French British Africans and so on had their own mini pocket nations and weren’t told to assimilate into American culture and had programs that made them connected to their culture and you have the audacity to say we have a strained relationship with Mexico and native Americans your not only a liar but a stupid one too :/
@@bornstar481 you literally spell it out in front of you "The native americans arent even 1% of this country" "We have sites dedicated to keeping their heritage protected" Hmm, the Native Americans are only 1% of the population of America? And need cultural sites to keep their culture alive? Why the fuck do you think that is? Its almost like we nearly wiped out their population due to nationalist and racist motivation, and we now need to keep them on reserves like theyre some kind of endangered animal. You contradict yourself in each sentence that you type but youre calling him stupid? It wouldve taken you 5 seconds to read your own damn comment and connect the dots.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 As long as you downplay other sides suffer you should not expect them to respect or understand you. This is the main reason you hate Turks but you do it yourself.
Gkh Cft He didn’t say he hated Turks. We can maintain harmony while recognizing a side is being fairly one sided about their nation’s involvement in a crime.
@@feudela4357 No one in Turkey wants to maintain harmony because of revanchist attitudes of Armenians and no Armenians want to maintain harmony because Turkey does not recognize what happened to Armenians as genocide. And I can't see a future where Armenians and Turks live side by side ever again even if Turkey recognize genocide.
@@gkhcft4149 Downplay other side? You really are coming from nowhere with your argument... What am I downplaying exactly? The Ottomans killed pver 2 million Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians combined, and today they occupy their land and spit on their graves by denouncing the existence of the genocide... Not saying all Turks are like this, but Erdogan and his supporters certainly are. There has been for a long time a presence of fascism in Turkey, this is the problem.
The most ironic thing: Archduke Ferdinand supported Serbian independence, he would have let them leave after he became emperor; he was The crown Prince.
I thought he would have let the Southern Slavs form a third kingdom in the Austro Hungarian Empire and elevate them. This action would have prevented Serbian political hegemony of Yugoslavia. A Serbian officer ordered the assassination after all... (and why would any Emperor let someone go?? We're talking about Bosnia not Serbia which was already independent. The nationalist Serbs sought Yugoslavia not just Bosnia, which had many ethnic groups)
@@jwil4286 They killed him because of that not despite that. Serbian-Jugoslav ambition went further. The crown prince's ideas wasn't enough but enough to appease most of the region. Serbs and Bosnian Serbs wanted all of Jugoslavia. That's why anything exploded in WW2 again with Croatians collaborating with the Germans. Tito's Serbian led communist Jugoslavia was the result and with Tito's death, the genocides of the 90s. Which were successfully stopped by NATO. Today the region is at peace. But Serbia still dreams of Greater Serbia and is erecting statues of Gavrilo Princip. Since more and more ex-jugoslavian countries join EU and/or NATO. Their dream, anybody's else's nightmare, is dead.
Yeah he supported lots of modern reformation along with social welfare but some people dont really care about that they just see him as an obstacle towards freedom.
@@ShallowContrarian LOL Germany is only accepting their own guilt because they are cucked by the allies and that Germany itself is controlled by outside powers.
@@Justkoelkastgirl Sure, Turkey is backward, but the willingness of Turkish men to volunteer for military service is many times higher than in Central Europe. In my opinion, this kind of sacrifice should be valued more in Europe. Unfortunately, money is automatically pushed out of the magic wall and people are completely self-centered bullies, living in a bubble.
Thank you for doing this! My family fled during the Armenian Genocide and we ended up in New York City. It’s shocking how still today, people ignore or don’t know about the Armenian Genocide. 🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲
Please support Remembrance 2025,Armenian Holocaust,110 Years at the federally funded US Holocaust Museum in DC by contacting them requesting this exhibit.
Listen to the yell of Leopold's ghost, Burning in Hell for his hand-maimed host. Hear how the demons chuckle and yell, Cutting his hands off, down in Hell. - The Congo, Vachel Lindsay
@@ugurrr Seriously? You're talking about made up thingies? Come on Even some of your own people find it hard to believe the lies turkey spreads i suppose it's a struggle to live in a country like that, people there are getting cynical about everything I see ...
11:49 That's because rape isn't really about sex. On the surface level, it is. But deep down, it's about power. It's about feeling strong, and in charge. It's about humiliating the person you think is "beneath" you. It's "soiling" them and making the relatives of the victim feel powerless when they fail to stop it. It's psychological torture as well as physical. Even outside of the context of War, rape is mostly some douchebag, frustrated about something, and releasing that frustration in the most base, personal, and invasive way. Regardless of gender, age, sexual orientation, etc, it's more about being "in charge", "in control", to be in a position of power above the person you are abusing. Sexual gratification for the rapist is more or less secondary. Dominance upon the other is the priority.
@@saintjezebel My point being, if they just wanted sex, they'd have consensual sex. The fact that they decided to get sexual gratification through other means than consensual sex denotes something more brutal and debasing in their reasoning. As in, "I do not believe the person I raped for my own sexual gratification is worthy of respect/consideration/pity/etc." Whether you choose to believe it or not. Edit: you don't even need some 50 pages long psychological study on the matter to see the truth in it. Just listen to the words of the rapists when asked why they did it. Some will say "for the sex", yes. But many others will also say several variations of "I wanted to put those bitches back in their place", or "I wanted to hurt them". To put it back in the context of war, some might even say "They were the enemy, therefore they were sub-human/did not deserve respect".
@@saintjezebel Of course rapists say that. Many (especially date rapists) may even believe it. But even in their case... the reason it's rape is that they needed to control the other person. Maybe it's not about humiliation in their case, but it's still about control and subjugation and dehumanization. Otherwise, they'd take no for an answer, or not impair the other person's judgment, or not use their physical or economic power, or whatever other means they use to rape the other person. And stranger rape, as described in this video, is absolutely an act of, not just violence, but outright hatred, not of sex.
@@talos_the_automaton2329 wtf? I am from Turkey and Instagram isn't banned As if freedom measured by how much American platforms are accessible to you.
The long and sordid history of the treatment of the Kurds also badly needs to be addressed. Maybe on this channel. Many Americans, for instance, have only recently learned about what happened under Saddam and Daesh. Biji Kurdistan. Love from Texas.
So TH-cam has a problem with a historian, making an educational video, about one of the darkest ugliest things that happened during the later days of the Ottoman Empire. Thanks for making it harder for teachers to educate those, that are curious about any particular subject, like History. Frickin' TH-cam, man... This was a very well researched video, and I am recommending it to my friends that love to learn about history, but don't happen to know about this channel. Thanks, and cheers, mate. ;-)
There are two ways that genocide denial can be done. One is to excuse or ignore the deaths. The other is to paint any event which causes widespread deaths as a genocide. One minimizes the fatalities, the other trivializes it. And yet somehow Turkey manages to do both at once.
By the way, the Azerbaijanis - in a sense, in response to the accusations of their Turkish brothers in the Armenian genocide - call the Khojaly massacre genocide, although it was committed by several Armenian soldiers on their own initiative and they killed a maximum of 613 people during it.
"But 49 states do. It's Mississippi, before you pause the video to google it" Of COURSE it's Mississippi! It's ALWAYS Mississippi! What is wrong with that state!?
lets expel all agressive nationalists form earth to the moon to have their own country (and seem them realising that they are now the victims of a holocaust).
@OrganicEcstasy the deal we are talking here is that the idiots can fight who is the most patriotic (agressive nationalist) on an island. we wouldnt kill them they would do the job themselves.
My great grandmother was an Armenian genocide survivor. In 1915, the Ottoman Turks showed up to her house when she was a child. They demanded my great great grandfather convert to Islam or die, and they beheaded him. They also beheaded his wife and nine year old son. My great grandmother and her three sisters ages ranging 4-12 knew this was coming and had prepared for it. They ran away into the wilderness and hid there for a few months. One day they saw a group of people marching and they were excited to see people who they though could save them. It was a death march. They joined the death march and realized what it was when it was too late. the youngest sister, age 4 was lost and was cut up and left in a mass grave. She was found be a Turkish or Arab family and taken in as a slave. She was a slave until she was 18 when she was able to leave. The other three made ur thorugh the death March until 1918 when Syria was given to France and they were sent to an orphanage in Lebanon. That was the first time in 3 years they had stable food and water and loved the orphanage. They eventually found a relative in America and went to live with them. The four sisters werent reunited until 1959, 44 years after they were split up. I don't get how Turkey cna continue to deny this.
I don't want to sound like an asshole nor am I denying the facts that it happened but was it this gruesome? I just have trouble believing the convert to Islam or die part because there was a thousands if not millions of non muslims in the Ottoman Empire
@@eatass1332 You have to take Balkan Wars and WW1 into account, as well as change of Government. Before that non-Muslims were fine, after Balkan Wars Turks started to forcefully convert people because non-Muslims could not be trusted anymore. Just look at Eastern Anatolia, it was 50-50 in Greek/Turkish population. By 1923 there were less than 10% of Greeks in Eastern Anatolia.
who cares im a turk and i know this happened but i dont apologiez because every country has its dark sides and war crimes , only the strongest one survives and thats how it went
@@funbun420 That's total crap, even Ottoman Sources before 1914 state there were 1.4-2 million Armenians, I don't think you understand just how many Armenians lived inside the Ottoman Empire...They were one of the largest minorities, and today they are almost non-existent in Turkey. Nobody is spreading or perpetuating lies but Turks like you, well educated Turks like @ RED/AMV recognize the events because it has nothing to do with him, he is a not a blind nationalist with too much pride to ever accept the fact that their ancestor's were ass holes. Like he said, every county has had it's dark side.
@@0g0mogosepikworld31 You don't have to apologize for your ancestors, I know there were many sensible and rational people like you back then that would have been against it.
Australia and New Zealand where part of the British empire back then, have union jacks on their flags, where subservient to Britain, and the majority of their populations where British / Anglicized
He started the video with a quite humiliating and abnormal example, what do you expect? I have watched other videos of him too and as a history student, I can clearly say that his videos are not neutral at all. He is probably more interested in the income of his channel than knowing who ANZACs were...
You remind me of my favorite high school history teacher. He was really old and back from retirement but when actual history wasn’t in the text book, he would read to us from HIS history book, an American history reference book he acquired while getting his doctorate in history. He was very animated when he spoke. You could tell he loved history.
Remember to never gave up to doing your videos even if YT is demonetizing them! Hope u will grow larger and larger I just love to listen to your videos doing stuff
@qwertyuıopğüasdfghjklşizxcvbnmöç Yeah, wild times, multiple wars at any given moment in time... Oh, except nothing has changed since. Wars still lead to a whole lot of awful deaths, no matter on which side, and too bad we as people don't even get to choose if we actually want to fight. And when we do, it's always a civil war, which is even worse. Russians call a civil war (and THE civil war, the only one we had, which lead to the creation of the Soviet union) "the brother-killing war". But isn't any war like that?
Also we dont say they deserved because of genocide we talk about how russians provocation armenians in north. Most of them were traitors. They lived with us even sultan called them trustfull nation and even gived them hazine anahtari(bank key or treasure key of country idk how you translate this to the nglish) when rums (or other minorties)and armenian were in fight we always were armenians side bruh you guys dont even know other side of story and talk sh#t on us. I wish you could talk about England and Spain(colonism,genocides,making people of the same race fight) like that
If you really wanna blame someone blame austria and russians who maked them rebel to ottoman with slavism(they even make bulgarians slav which they are'nt with slavism)
@@ampulsuper Plenty of people in European countries or European descendants will acknowledge the atrocities committed by their ancestors. You should stop deflect blame and acknowledge that Turkey is almost entirely at fault for what happened to the Armenians.
@@benz6217 can you shut up and search slavizm. Did you really think we hated armenians why we attacked them ? Did we just change our minds and said wow this race isnt have same religion like ours and killed all of them(!) Are turks barbarian to you? We had war with our citizens(armenians) because we wanted have fun?
If you’re doing another video about ethnic cleansing, you should do it about Communist China’s cleansing of Uighurs and Tibetans, which is still happening today. Like Turkey, western governments only ignore it so they can continue trade.
I think they are about to slaughter or starve a lot of Uighurs ...theyve imported 10s of thousands of Han Chinese to take the place of the locals when it occurs...and block outsiders from filming almost anything at all there
+Louis 494 We all accept he 'played it safe' - he'll never do any explaination nor acknowledgement about north and south american ethnic cleansings & genocidal massacres/butcherings against native americans; but he has his own agenda; unsuprisingly
I did not know anything about this until several years ago, when a group of local businesses run by Armenian American families began running radio ads where they would explain parts of the history. It was interesting to hear an ad with another bit of information about the history, and then have it say, "brought to you by..." I also didn't know there was such a large Armenian population where I live, either. I often wondered if the station was run by someone of Armenian descent, because while very informative, I could also see an adult contemporary music radio station not wanting to touch the subject with a ten foot poll. It is kind of a 180 to fade out from early 2Ks pop, into a commercial break length story of genocide, and then go back to some 80's song.
Oh really u think Turks actually killed all those Armenians? U dont have proof to accuse us of doing so and ur just going on the internet accusing people of not doing ehat u think they did. Let me tell u the truth. They did bad stuff in our country so we got them away from the capital. To syria they went until they stopped doing what we told them to do and they died because the way was tough and they didnt eat much bc they wanted to disgrace everything we had. U happy now that u know the truth i dont think this will change ur opinion since a lot of u guys hate on us but im just tryina help u really
"Possibly the first Western scholar to use 'holocaust' in a genocidal context-to refer to the Turkish genocides of Hellenic, Armenian and Assyrian populations in Asia Minor between 1914 and 1924-was Melville Chater in his 1925 article 'History's greatest trek'. He was referring specifically to the burning of Smyrna [...] in September 1922."
Survivor of lifelong sexual abuse here. Rape is an inherently violent act. You wouldn't do that to someone you respect, someone whose autonomy and boundaries you respect. It's dehumanizing and humiliating, and more often than not in those contexts, they use it as that. As a weapon. It is why it tends to be more commonly used against marginalized people. (people of color, women, trans people) They see us as subhuman. (maybe not all cases, I know one of my abusers' mentality is much more complex. maybe he genuinely believed he cares and tried to rationalize his abuse or buried it. it is different when it is someone within your circle of trust, I suppose, but he is.. sexist. so I don't doubt that played into it.
We use the metric system in our drug war. For example, as per 21 USC 841, under 5 kilos of coke is 5 to 40, while over 5 kilos of coke (or 400g of fentanyl) gets you 10 to life (first offense).
Friend 1: Hey man there's a fine ass lady two meters behind you.. Friend 2: What? 2 meters? What the fuck you talking about? Friend 1: Sorry my bad, she's 264 golf balls behind you.. Friend 2: Damn right she's gorgeous
Turkey: The Armenian genocide didn't happen! There wasn't even a word for it back then! *Finds out the word 'genocide' was modeled after the Armenian genocide.* Turkey: Wait, that's illegal.
@@noty2673 How do you have war with a civilian unarmed populous. So the Ottoman Empire vs Own civilians is a war? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense buddy.
@@noty2673 Those were originally formed to fight back against Turkish soldiers sent by the state to demand pay from the Armenian towns that refused to pay the Jizya, a incredibly heavy tax on all non-Muslims.
My great grandfather was Pontic Greek and he and his family ware diported to the sea. Some Russian ships saved them and took them to Russia. After the fall of the soviet union my mother's family moved to Greece.
Yo they are so lucky. But i have a question. How were they treated in russia? Were they treated well? Were they treated like average citizens or were they treated like dirty foreigners?
@@generalgrievous2202 Russia already had a Greek minority in the black sea coast so it wasn't that bad. But under Stalin, many Greeks were moved in Central Asia. My family was lucky and they didn't have to move. When Stalin passed away the Greeks that were moved to Central Asia returned back.
As a Turk I'm really sorry for the genocide and mostly for the people that try to deny it for politics. There is immense social pressure about the event not being genocide. It's even hard to question this issue since it is affirmed by everyone that you don't even discuss it anymore. If you attempt to do it, you gut shuned and disliked by almost everyone. Even if you bring any evidence they will just reduce it to "propoganda and lies of 'outside forces'" The Turks love and take pride in the heroism of their ancestors in battles and their military. So that kind of events (making them look like villians) are really unreal and unacceptable for them. Even though they proudly call themselves racist. It is amazing.
I'm glad that people like you are willing to believe more than government lies. I think it is about time that Turkey stops this childish delusion of the genocide, because all it is doing is making themselves hated by their neighbours and the international community.
Bir de bunlar çıktı başımıza. Dünyaca ünlü tarihçiler soykırım olmadığını söyledi. Bernard Lewis gibi büyük bir tarihçi bile soykırım demenin imkansız olduğunu söyledi. Yani ben sana şimdi ne diyeyim. Ruhen bunaldığın için soykırım vardır deyip geçiştirmek istemiş olabilirsin.
14:00 "All Turks hate Armenians", simply not true. Central Asian Turks, such as myself, do not hate Armenians. I am an Uzbek we never had a historic interaction with Armenians, thus, no hatred nor love could be possible. We are neutral towards Armenians.
@@justarandompersonininterne6583 I don't know about the situation in Turkey because I have never been there. However, I have noticed while I like his videos for their depth of the subject. In most of the videos the author is little biased, which is OK in most of the times I guess. But sometimes, like in this one. It is just not acceptable.
@@britishcountryball8812 so what,we dont even give any fucks about armenia at here turkey,no one fucking cares about thrm except erdog supporters thinking were going to be a caliphate. Also no,you cant say 1.5 million died while theres only 880 thousand lived in ISTANBUL. Not eastern turkey. "Genocide" is complete bullshit made by russians to make armenians revoly
@Levon Sarkisian as a Chinese I sympathize a lot with Armenian. Turkey really reminds me of Japan. Both refuse to acknowledge their history and play the victim.
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@Levon Sarkisian right you did what you did almost 100 years ago. you opened fire and waited for Russia support that never came. when are you going to learn not to trust them?
Turkey: "It wasn't technically a genocide!" The word genocide was literally coined in order to describe what you did. All other genocides are measured in terms of what you did.
they usually sat back and watched colonial troops get killed anyhow. Lest we forget Anzac brother. What a shitty war that was, other than making Australia and New Zealand actual countries and not colonial possessions.
British casualties at Gallipoli, 120,200. ANZAC casualties at Gallipoli, 35,600. Can we stop the asinine 'British sacrificed the poor ANZACs at Gallipoli to save their own' revisionism? It's crap. Gallipoli was a clusterfuck, definitely. An operation executed by poor commanders and inadequately/improperly trained troops that with hindsight was doomed to failure, just like a lot of early WW1 operations. But it wasn't 'evil British callously throw away ANZAC lives while sipping tea on their verandas', but rather 'commanders out of their depth waste the lives of their soldiers, regardless of nationality'. Which was (tragically) far from a unique situation in WW1.
I don’t care what Turkey’s racist government has to say, I believe the Armenian genocide absolutely happened, and that Turkey should grow up, and stop acting like the Ottoman Empire is still a thing.
@@ZaxTheAl1en “It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” - Bill Murray.
@@luxeffere They died of starvation because the turkish government intentionally dropped them off in places that would kill them. If I kidnap someone take their food and leave them alone in a desert and they die and I constantly wrote about how I wanted them to die then I should probably be considered a murderer.
@Alon Kilci it hurts me a lot to talk to turks in my area, but i do in hopes of improvement. We need to be good neigbors again. Nationalists scream, we must talk.
as an Iraqi with partial Turkish ancestry, seeing some of the photos of the Armenian genocide was absolutely devastating. We can never move forward until we admit fault and sincerely apologize for what some of our evil ancestors did.
@@Nabonidus-m7x the personal stories of all the old people I've listen to growing up were truly nightmarish. This video didnt talk about the personal interaction of the turkish enforcers, who were not exactly model citizens. The ottomans released prisoners and used kurdish warlords also in what is today southeast turkey. It was very brutal but his dialogue captured the sentiments of both sides. One other consequences of turkish denial is the radicalization of survivors among Armenians.
@@sohopedeco Look mate. There's always that prehistory of Indigenous tribes killing each other, especially over many centuries... But that still doesn't mean they're not a collective victim against a larger force, who did a good number on them in a short amount of time, in a devastating way.
This was never genocide. it was a relocation. It was not legally related to the definition of Genocide. It is imperative that the genocide was systematic and deliberate by the state. There was never such a systematicism and deliberate state action. At that time, there were people who died from illness and poverty during the relocation. However, the economic opportunities of the Ottoman Empire were limited at that time. Despite this, those who were negligent among the Ottoman officials also received heavy penalties at that time. This alone shows that it is not a deliberate crime by the state. The number of Armenians who died was well below the number you mentioned. It wasn't even a million. Many Armenians have already reached where they were relocated. We said that. "We have opened our archives to all researchers. Other countries - Armenia, Russia, England, etc. - should open their archives to researchers. Armenian Historians and Turkish Historians should set up a collective commission. This issue should be investigated." Armenians did not accept. Because they are lying. During World War I, while Muslim men were in the army, Armenian men massacred women and children in Turkish and Kurdish villages with the support of the Russians. The Ottomans always approached the Armenians with sympathy until the Armenians did this. There was peace between us. They were called the most loyal nation. However, with the support of Russia, the Armenians committed massacres. To keep these groups away from regions close to Russia, the state was forced to relocation. During the voyage period, a budget was allocated for the needs of the Armenians. They were given new lands where they could live. Of course, some people died. However, it is necessary to evaluate the difficult economic conditions of World War I and the state striving to prevent deaths. Armenians also know that this is not genocide. They benefit from deceiving the international public.The Khojaly Massacre by Armenians in modern times is the clearest proof of this.
ART DECO, Der el zor is not a dessert. Der el zor is very fertile. Because it's near the Euphratus River. In Mesopotamia, crops are harvested ten times a year near the river. Because there is no frost in the winter. In addition, the Ottomans did not have any extra ships to wait in vain in the Black Sea during the war only to kill civilians. Also, what do you think happened to the captains and crew of the ships? Did they, too, commit suicide for this ridiculous mission? If the Ottoman wanted to kill the Armenians, why would it spend time with a fantasy by using ships? The state could kill them directly if they wanted to. So nothing like that happened. Those ships went to Russia. This was a deportation.
@@orkunyucel3095 I’ve seen you everywhere in these threads saying the same shit, so I’ve got one question to ask you? Why the fuck does the Turkstapo only have like one or two copypastas for their nationalist drones to spread all over the internet?
@@orkunyucel3095 "It was not legally related to the definition of Genocide" The term genocide is based on what happened in the Armenian Genocide. It is THE definition.
This video was demonetized by TH-cam.
Congrats, you're probably doing the right thing if TH-cam's opposing you.
BIG OOF. :(
Sorry about that man well now you know better 😂😂 jk knowing better
That's a load of shit. damn. smh.
Where are the right wingers complaining about de-platforming and censorship now.
It disgusts me how many still deny the genocide today.
Glad to see you here
Many people still deny the Holocaust and Holodomor as well... Ignorant people have big voices
@@notallopinionswerecreatede4465 also there are tons of videos that atually have sources and reports unlike the holocaust deniers, the holdomor is a myth that only has lies and deceptions also most photos were from Hungary or lets say ww1 Austria Hungary whatever that shithole Monarchy was called kill all Kings alright
@@ShoreshFathi I found the tankie
Shoresh Fathi Are you a communist?
Edit - Tankie
What next, you gonna tell me something happened in Tiananmen Square as well?
Haha, yeah. Or that the US committed a genocide?
@@internetomatic Worst part is that the face of the man who did it is on the 20$ bill.
What
Nothing happened nope nothing at all. Hold on someone is knocking at my door
Олег Козлов capitalist propaganda!
Now buy our cheap products.
Even if committing genocide technically 'wasn't against the rules' there comes a point where something so universally and immorally wrong shouldn't need to be explicitly stated for it to be considered immoral, if we went by the whole "wasn't against the rules at the time" argument then specific Germans wouldn't have been able to be prosecuted after WW2.
So why were Britain, France, and other Entente powers ever charged for any such crimes considering their history?
@@pressftopayrespects6325 War crimes only count if you lose. Winners never get prosecuted for their war crimes. That is the ultimate truth of geopolitic.
@@pressftopayrespects6325 because the amount of people they killed was much lower compared to these.
@@mechanicalsilence1 Nope, Britain and France in certain colonies alone killed far more people than the Ottomans in their entire history, wars included. Where the Ottomans necessarily good? No, but they were fairly normal and much less atrocious than other European colonial empires were.
@@pressftopayrespects6325 source ? Also, if you take in percentage, Ottomans killed much more, about 75% to be precise. The goal of colonies were never to exterminate another group of people. On top of that, France and Britain did admit that they participated in war crimes in colonies and they are not trying to belittle the unethical actions their ancestors made while Turkey does not even admit their was a massacre.
“It didn’t happen”-Turkish nationalist
“They deserved it”-also Turkish nationalist
* visible confusion *
Yılmaz Eren Aytekin You’re the one insisting for a lie.
Yılmaz Eren Aytekin we do have evidence.
Turkic Federation No matter what you say, there is concrete evidence that a mass killing occurred. It was a genocide.
@@feudela4357 I cannot say much about the topic since I do not have any ofical papers but my grandfather, who is currently almost 100 years old, used to tell me stories about how "Armenian traitors" were killed. We still have got a cassette tape of him telling the stories. However I do believe this matter is being over exaggerated. It was not orders straight given by Ottoman Sultans or Pashas, it was commaners who have planned most of it out locally. Actually government took actions once they saw the massacres were taking place but they did not do much. When it comes to your concrete evidences I hope you could read them well from this video as it is not really visible and that could be anyone's speculation. I would not suggest you make any accusation without knowing all the sides to the story
@Kayden Bolin There is some difference between 60k and 1.5-2M you know?
RIP to monetization. Another necessary video censored by TH-cam because it talks about unhappy topics
Well I guess there is only so much TH-cam can do when the advertisers have been known to leave when too many ads are shown with "unhappy topics"
*Cough* adpocalypse *cough*
You also lied about this topic on your channel, you won’t reply because facts are not in your favor. No wonder you call yourself the “AlternateHistoryHub.”
@@pressftopayrespects6325 Okay then, mind telling us why? I’ve done my own research on the Armenian Genocide and it seems like both Cody (AlternateHistoryHub) and Knowing Better were accurate. I care a lot about the accuracy of historical depiction, and these people seem to be doing that job quite well, in spite of TH-cam’s unprecedented corruption, they refuse to stop educating people on these events, and the Armenian Genocide is necessary for knowledge because it’s denied by its country, even civilians who speak the truth about this mass murder of the Ottoman Armenians are punished. Because they speak the truth. As someone born in the UK can say, every country, ethnicity or group in history has done something we’re not proud of, which Cody said best in his video. And by acknowledging this genocide for what it really is, then we can learn from it and become better people. Historical inaccuracy - whether downplaying or glorifying these events, should be discouraged because it paints an unfair picture that we can’t properly learn from because it doesn’t correspond with reality. So please, lay out the information for why these people are wrong.
TH-cam is Ratarded
This is like Japan in WW2, where they will ALWAYS deny it, where TH-cam is on their side and will demonitize truth
"History rhymes more than it repeats."
That's a good quote, I think I'll use it sometime.
It's a variation of a Mark Twain quote
"History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes." -Samuel Clemens
It's a history mystery
Rhyme entirely intended
It's like poetry, it rhymes
The Star Wars trilogies rhyme too. Let the hate begin!
In regards to the rape aspect that you mentioned about 11 and 1/2 minutes into this video, it's because of one major thing: rape isn't done for sexual attraction. It's done to exert power and to harm and to humiliate or even dishonor someone. To destroy them. And that's why it's done so much in situations like these.
It can be both. It's mostly both. A lot of rape is over sexual attraction, but a lot of rapists also have issues with a lack of power (or the feeling of, lots have power but do not feel they do, people are complicated), and a need to exert said power in an unhealthy way. Some of the power stuff is in normal healthy sex too, this stuff is too complicated to say "x is always true and y is always false". Power is part of it, but also lots of soldiers are horny assholes with all the power and can do whatever they like. It's a big assumption to assume every soldier is a ideologue, most are just normal people who want a job, or a gun, or a position, or some mix. Most of the people who participated in genocide probably were less invested in the concept of genocide than in their paycheque. Indifferent even. They killed because they could and it was considered acceptable, if not encouraged, by their peer group and commanders. Doesn't mean they agreed with it. Apathy is it;s own evil.
It was about defiling the helpless innocents. There is nothing attractive or manly about it. It's dastardly.
Thank you! Another part of it is the middle eastern "ownership of wives" sentiment. It's thought that a way of exerting power over a man is to rape his wife.
There’s a symbolic aspect to it as well, especially during the time period being focused on in this context. Women were seen as a sort of motherly embodiment of their respective national identities, and sexual assault was weaponized in order to defile the “honor” of the enemy as a whole.
It's about power. That's what excites them.
“It’s entirely possible that another war could break out at any minute”
This aged like wine
Came here to search for this comment lol
More like milk
And the USA (in essence) blocked almost everyone who wanted to help militarily, again placating Turkey.
@@pointingsoyjak4271 milk would be implying he was horribly wrong
Wait did another war break out?! I’ve been so damn out of the loop on international news.
"in every friend group there's always that 1 person that doesn't quite belong"
Damn I know that feeling
im the one that doesnt belong 🥺
I would be in the same situation but I'm not in a friend group..
Wait, if I don’t know who in my friend group is that person…
That hurt
you caused a genocide too?
none of my history classes ever talked about the Armenian Genocide. as someone with heavy Armenian heritage, it’s a little frustrating to see the suffering of my ancestors ignored.
Archer Is Trash hey man I hear your suffering same about the Ukraine 1932-1933 millions of Ukrainians
Nikolay Lesiv it’s crazy how many mass deaths are ignored for convenience
As a Turkish person it frustrates me to just think that people deny this, because of too much nationalism.
I learned about it in eight or ninth grade, so hopefully it's becoming less common.
Archer Is Trash I’m Greco Armenian so yeah I rlly understand
My Turkish Armenian grandfather had 4 of his 7 brothers killed during the Armenian genocide. Another was smuggled out of the country in a wagonload of dead bodies (he could never talk about this without crying) & the sixth brother presumably died when he was sent off on a forced march into the wilderness with nothing but the clothes on his back. All of his family's lands, wealth & possessions were confiscated. My grandfather & the remaining brother managed to escape to the US to establish themselves & hoped to move the rest of the family here. However, when it was time to send for his family, there was no one left to send for.
Thats so sad. Its truly disgusting to see Turks in the comments deny this.
This is so disgusting and sad. :(
im so sorry for your grandpa's loss
its sad to think same thing happening to yourself
@@stolenmemesfromdiscord im a Turk, and i still do not claim that Armenian "Genocide" existed, yes countless civilians gave away their lives in the event but all of it was west's fault, Armenians were one of the most honest societies in the empire and in some cases they were called "trustful citizens"
Armenian Genocide happened in 1915, but Turks are in Anatolia since 1071
if we take away the ones who fought in the War between nations, Armenians didnt rebelled until the 20th century
heck there wasnt even hatred to Armenians, during the Genocide Armenian doctors ( Avedis Cebeciyan ) and soldiers were fighthing in the Gallipoli War, alongside with Kurds, Arabs and Turks, its dumb to think that Ottoman Empire just belonged to Turks, the founders were Turks not everybody was Turkish at 1915
@@Kermit1040-T goofy ahh comment 🤦🏿♂️
You’ll notice that the same people who deny genocide, often will imply that it would have been totally deserved if it did happen.
Just like Nazis
It's not their fault. I'm Turkish and this is what our schools teach us so this is what we are supposed to say
Lol
@@elmascapo6588 just like the antifa and the billionaires
@@plasma2125 What the fuck does that have to do with any of this?
"49 states recognize it--and before you ask, it's Mississippi." I shouldn't have laughed, but it was executed so well.
This comment has the perfect amount of likes, keep it that way
What is the deal with mississippi and with the feds?
@@Jabberwockybird
As someone from the South, Mississippi is extraordinarily backwards, even by southern standards. There is a NOTICEABLE difference when crossing the border into Mississippi.
@@WelloBello no missisipisi just based
@@niggacockball7995 Based on who? Some quaint little French town called Mississippi?
that Archduke guy sounds pretty cool
He killed lots and lots of animals
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Watch out in Sarajevo bud
Great music
Oh, what fun!
My grandfathers grandfather was killed in the pontic genocide, which went alongside with the armenian genocide. My grandfather still speaks pontic greek, and the way the international community ignores his reality and history upsets him to this day, it's something that weighs on me as well.
Thats terrible. I'm sorry that your forced to carry such horrible legacy
My great grandmother's father was killed in Smyrna. My family comes in large part from Asia Minor refugees. I am very happy that the Armenian genocide is recognised and I hope the Genocide of the Greeks from Pontus and other parts of Asia Minor is also recognised.
Don’t let it be forgotten, if you don’t speak it already learn Pontic Greek while you can
@@nickklavdianos5136 Most people are reactionaries. Greeks invaded Turkey and Turks massacred them. It was the Greek government that didn't evacuate the greeks form smyrna in fear of protests and coup. So the cycle goes on forever fueled by government propaganda
Thank you for mentioning this. I just looked this up and need to learn more Yes, we should reflect on this Holocaust. If you are American encourage the federally funded, 63 million annually, to have an exhibit on this. I am hopeful they will have Remembrance 2025, Armenian Holocaust, 110 Years. The federally funded US Holocaust Museum is in DC. I am hopeful the museum will look more holistically at Holocausts,which effected Americans including the Holocaust faced by our native people.
“Turkey is that friend to the United States”
Just Turkey? Could have sworn we had a ton of those
We are one of those friends
**cough** Saudi Arabia **cough**
cough North Korea cough
Well so long as they got beef with Russia we pretend they are ok
@Matthias W
Um, what? North Korea is not a US ally 😂
Germany: doesn’t lie about their history, apologizes for what they’ve done and educated future generations
Japan: *I’m gonna do what’s called a pro gamer move*
@JAMES FARIA turkey did not do it , ottomans did . We are not ottomans anymore so why do we need to apologize, will apologizing give the dead back ?
@@overabusedsalmon1238 apologising once would be a good start
@@overabusedsalmon1238 Atleast don't fucking deny it
@@nunoramos2027 I dont deny it but I think apologizing for a century old thing is ridicilous
League of Anime Uçak Well it was still a genocide, a single actual apology would help.
"It's not genocide when the people I don't like die" - people who commit genocide
It's more like, is this objectively true or not? The truth is, people call lots of things genocide that aren't, by definition.
The issue isn't the atrocity itself. Rather, it's whether or not you are strict with how you label things.
Der el zor is not a dessert. Der el zor is very fertile. Because it's near the Euphratus River. In Mesopotamia, crops are harvested ten times a year near the river. Because there is no frost in the winter.
In addition, the Ottomans did not have any extra ships to wait in vain in the Black Sea during the war only to kill civilians. Also, what do you think happened to the captains and crew of the ships? Did they, too, commit suicide for this ridiculous mission? If the Ottoman wanted to kill the Armenians, why would it spend time with a fantasy by using ships? The state could kill them directly if they wanted to. So nothing like that happened. Those ships went to Russia. This was a deportation.
"Its not genocide when we almost killed everyone in that region but its genocide when we get responded with force" - Armenia
@@orkunyucel3095 Lol what are you smoking turk. "Relocating" someone in the middle of the desert with little to no food given is not a genocide eh? If the ottomans did have economic sickness (which they did) then why tf did they send these poor armenians in the middle of nowhere eh? Using your logic then they shouldve sent some turkish people as well eh? I mean turkish civs are just as vulnerable as the armenians were so why would they specifically "relocate" armenians only?
@@orkunyucel3095 You do know you sound like a Nazi defending the Holocaust right, finding excuses for actions or denying historical fact, does not help your case.
A quick correction: Anatolia has been called Turkey way before WW1. Many Italian cartographers during the 11th century AD, after Byzantines had lost much of the heartland, had already taken to labeling the interior Seljuk controlled territory as "Turchia". And Anatolia is still widely used both by the Turkish government and the people to refer to the region.
I have original copies of the British government's blue books series of correspondence and in 1895 they refer to Turkey on the covers.
@@artinvartanian4631 yeah turkey and ottoman difference are just fabricated by historians to teach them more easily (much like byzantine and east roman)
@@artinvartanian4631 anatolia called turkey during the 11th century AD this is even in history documents described and there was no armenian genocide anatolia belongs to Turkish people not to armenians death to Asala
@@rageywrath5020 Gosh, why do genocide deniers have such poor grammar?
@@emperorpalpatine6239 cause they are ignorant liars, however, they know turks were foreign invaders to Anatolia
11:40 Rape in these cases is rarely about sexual desire and is mostly fueled by control, desegregation, and hate. It's motivated by a desire to demonstrate that you can take whatever they want from them and there's nothing they can do about it. You own them, it's the ultimate crime to be committed against a person. Hate for a person fuels rape, love motivates you to stop rape. You can't rape someone you love, so hated groups will always be the most susceptible to rape. BTW I really like your content
@J purple ramen Yeah but people hate rape more than murder. Just watch an action movie, often the good guys kill lots of people but the good guys don't rape, because it's considered an unjustified crime under all circumstances.
Sure, but good guys usually dont murder. To kill and to murder is not the same thing. To kill someone can be justified, and it is murder when no such justification exists.
yea I get what u mean, taking someone else’s life can be justified there is no reason to ever rape someone
@@TheKripox murder is a legal term and it has nothing to do with justification and everything to do with local law. Oftentimes the good guys kill whether it's legal or not.
So they raped men as well?
wait a non-armenian talking about the genocide not on the anniversary?!?! thank you from a greek-armenian.
This guy looks like he could be Armenian tho 😂
Greek armenian is basically the arch nemesis of turkish nationalist
@David McDonald if your grandmother and/or grandfather were procecuted made to walk through deserts and lost countless of their relatives you would want their suffering to be recognised
@David McDonald i do agree it won't change much but still it is a nice thing to do
@David McDonald then we can talk about reparations
It's crazy to me that this video is demonetized. I understand the "algorithm" thinking it may be inappropriate but seeing that the manual review wasn't approved either...
TH-cam is silly
Yea well it has to do probz with advertisers. It'll be an easy scoop for media: "Pepsi sponsors a vid aout the armenian genocide" and a chunck of revenue in turkey is gone.
@@Benbobr TH-cam really needs to have a different ad system for educational creators with a proven record of being advertiser friendly. Especially when it comes to history.
@@maxhydekyle2425 agreed but that still doesn't defeat his argument that this vid would play horribly in many countries
They should just show ads for Butterball and just act like the algorithm got confused.
My guess is "the algorithm" has a list of words and phrases that if it detects it automatically demonitizes to be safe
I only learned of the Armenian Genocide in high school because I listened to that nu-metal band, System of the Down and while reading about them and their heritage, I came across it.
Finally, two years ago, Biden made a statement recognizing it. But only because it became politically expedient to do so.
TABLE
😂😂
False
At least he did it.
This is one if the bravest videos on TH-cam. You should really be proud of yourself and please keep it up.
It is but it shouldn't be
I mean he did a lot more contraversial topics before.
Brave? Lol
Omega 01 dude in 2019 saying “hey guys” is brave 😂
Glink (cute Armenian youtuber) made a video about this a while back. History is sooo important and there is so much nuance that most people ignore totally. We need to speak about it.
Next episode of "our allies are monsters": Saudi Arabia
I don't think that'll surprise anyone
Israel, Lebaneese Forces, and the Juntas of the Middle East
Abdallah Manasrah pretty much everyone from the Middle East is a monster
@@seanhurley9216 I must be the cookie monster then
Most people don't know the evil those monsters have brought to the world
Saudi Arabia is a small pet compared to the monster the US has been all these time
My AP World History teacher went in depth with the Armenian Genocide and made sure we understood. I loved her. Her teaching style was to unearth history's secrets and then connect them to larger ideas. What an icon.
only if all history teachers were like yours.
We need more teachers like her.
@@descree7 we learn all of this in our basic world history courses the more advanced the class the more in depth. World history gets taught over two years separate from American History which is also taught over two separate years
Esas Çocuk oh yeah marching them to deserts with no food and expecting them not to die is not genocide
@Mobile Emulators well, thanks for generalizing a whole race I guess. Whatever, everybody wants to play the victim card. Turks say Armenians killed men and raped women, Armenians say Turks killed men and raped women. I am not here for that shit. I just want you to look at demographics of Ottoman Empire in 1906-1907, weird right? If nobody can read the archives as everybody says, how this one is publicly shared? Whatever, just look at the numbers and come again if you find something interesting.
8:50 Thanks for mentioning Assyrians, who history often forgets. Although 350,000 is on the lower end of the range of estimates, it is a large percentage of a population of about 3 million at the time. However, I will say that ironically, the "deportation" of Assyrians from different parts of the Ottoman Empire (which also occurred in Persia) to Syria and Iraq was a big step in reuniting many disparate tribes of Assyrians and led to a stronger national consciousness which today pervades much of the diaspora around the world.
I beg you, don't disable comments! I will return later with popcorn.
Right? Angry Turks incoming
Ulttin ne? Qazaqsın ba?
Make me some too
@@blgramҚазақпын, иә. Сонымен?
Nurauzhan .Kushkinbayev чё
I don't blame the son for the sins of the father, but at least recognize and acknowledge your ancestors mistakes. The past can't be changed but the future can.
@hasan veysel erol
A thief who robbes out of greed or out of hunger? That makes a difference.
A murderer who kills out of joy or out of danger? That makes a difference.
A genocide for what ever reason?
I need the reasons from the criminal himself to evaluate the degree of cruelty.
And if you dont agree with this simple principle of justice than you are either emotional which impairs your sense of justice or a uncivilized, uncultured swine.
@hasan veysel erol" if a person defends a genocide, than he is also a criminal"
I seriously hope that you are joking. Are you still a child?
Thats like saying a lawyer ,who defends a 100% criminal person, becomes through the act of defending a criminal himself. You really are living in a dream world.
LOOK I AM NOT SAYING THAT THERE COULD BE ANY JUSTIFICATION GOOD ENOUGH FOR SUCH A CRUELTY, but your low brain capacity really hurts my brain.
@hasan veysel erol MY GOD!!!
I told you everything in my first comment in a coherent way and you still act like you dont know.
I can believe how dumb people can be smh...
@hasan veysel erol nobody gives a shit if you like it or not. Thats not the point. The point was that YOU said every defendant is a criminal.
Now tell me again that you agree with that. I want to see your ass in court one day without you allowed to say a word and without a lawyer.
Very true
Russians and Turks: Have conference in Berlin about the “Armenian Question”
Germany: *Write that down, Write that down!*
Probably shouldn’t have laughed at that but, that comment was funny.
A turtle doesn't approve of this cursed comment.
@@TurtleChad1 a sus turtle
Haha 😒 funny
Nice pfp lol
My great grandmother lost everything to this genocide, her home, her family, and most disturbingly... her name. Because it happened when she was young, she didn't even know her birth name, just the name given to her in a greek orphanage, Esther Acsorian... Acsor meaning exile/deportee
Lies 😂
@@HioloiDegenerates like you shouldn't be allowed on the internet.
@@HioloiI eat turkey everyday lol
Not Even My Name, by Thea Halo, published 2000: "Although Turkey actively suppresses the truth about the murder of almost three million of its Christian minorities--Greek, Armenian, and Assyrian--during and after World War I, and the exile of millions of others, here is a first-hand account of the horrors of that genocide."--Goodreads
That's horrible.
16:30... Wait... They actually use that as a "defense"??? Wow.
"I didn't know murdering a lot of people based on ethnicity was bad, we hadn't invented it as a concept yet."
It's not _"I didn't know",_ it's that it just wasn't on the books. Wanna hear a better one? Nazis successfully used _"You did it too"_ as a defence in their trials.
@@Ronni3no2a fair distinction, thanks to good ol American apple pie! ;)
That's probably one of the strongest arguments actually. It's not that the word didn't exist. It's that the act at the time wasn't regarded as such a bad thing as it is today.
It's anachronistic to try to judge them with today's values. At the same time we can use those same values to remember and learn
@@fgsaramago Not true. It happened only one century ago. Christianity, Islam AND international law forbade it, using different words than "genocide". If genocide had been an acceptable thing a hundred years ago, it would have been acceptable 20 years later (the Jewish holocaust) as well. It wasn't. The fact that people all over the world were reporting on it and eventually came up with a term for it, further illustrated the inacceptability of it. The world was horrified. The Armenian genocide is unknown to youth today NOT because it wasn't a big deal back then, but because corrupted politicians won't let us mention it.
@@TheJenniferKK I'm afraid you're right. Even before WW1, the Turks had a history of shocking the world by doing some pretty brutal things.
"History rhymes more often than it repeats"
goddamn
And now Turkey is at it again in Kurdistan
“It’s like poetry, sort of they rhyme. Every stanza kinda rhymes with the last one. Hopefully it’ll work.”
-George Lucas on the genocide of childhood memories of a galaxy far far away.
“Yousa people gonna die”
-Darth Binks
@@robinlinnekausrud5246 kurdistan doesnt exist u ballsack
@@tarkates4005 Not yet. Besides, you understood what I meant perfectly.
@@robinlinnekausrud5246 not yet and never will, only in your dreams commie
"Not everyone should achieve their goals."
Hitler's goal was to be an artist.
Artist with blood as main colour
Jack Wilson as crazy as you sound, you are closer than most people would care to believe.
@@jackwilson9468 this has to be one of the most confusing things I have read. The second world war came from the after effects of the end of the Great War in Germany. How Hitler came to power was basically because of all the economic hardships and social tension present during the interim wars in Germany. Had nothing to do with Jews other than them being a comfortable scapegoat for Hitler to blame all the socio-economic problems of Germany on, which, he isn't alone doing so in history.
Go watch some from Potential History, might help you.
@@Newkeassassin please tell me you are joking and not just a brainlet
Jokes aside, he wasn't even bad at it.
Thank you for this video 💚 I don’t think you know how uplifting it is to see a non-Armenian educating about very real horrors that keeps being undermined and denied. I personally have already become so numb to the denial, the gaslighting makes me feel like I’m crazy. Thank you for validating our experience 🥰
"History rhymes more often than it repeats." That's a wonderful line.
I believe the original phrase is "history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes" by Mark Twain
The US and our strained relationship with the Native-Americans... or the Mexicans...
*US has left the chat*
@@scottjs5207 the USA has a great relationship with both Mexico and Canada and natives Americans are like less than 5 million in this country that is like 1 percent of this country there are more immigrants in America from different countries and how is our relationship strained with them nobody is racist to native they have programs to protect their heritage and shit like that hell they even have pocket nations inside the United States if that isn’t having a good relationship with them I don’t know what is imagine if in America ethnicities like Hispanics Germans French British Africans and so on had their own mini pocket nations and weren’t told to assimilate into American culture and had programs that made them connected to their culture and you have the audacity to say we have a strained relationship with Mexico and native Americans your not only a liar but a stupid one too :/
@@bornstar481 you literally spell it out in front of you
"The native americans arent even 1% of this country"
"We have sites dedicated to keeping their heritage protected"
Hmm, the Native Americans are only 1% of the population of America? And need cultural sites to keep their culture alive? Why the fuck do you think that is? Its almost like we nearly wiped out their population due to nationalist and racist motivation, and we now need to keep them on reserves like theyre some kind of endangered animal. You contradict yourself in each sentence that you type but youre calling him stupid? It wouldve taken you 5 seconds to read your own damn comment and connect the dots.
@@davidthelong2154 someone failed history...
Wait a minute. There's a class on skillshare about commiting genocide?
It's just a Turkish history book
Learn a new skill
@@someonedraws4208 r/cursedcomments
Based skill share
I know just think how much more efficient solutions to the "Armenian question", the Jewish Problem" could have been!
A lot of Armenian Genocide Deniers sound like Holocaust Deniers. They try to argue stupid technicalities.
Same as people who try to excuse Stalin's regime. Or those denying genocides of people based on race during colonialism in multiple places
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 As long as you downplay other sides suffer you should not expect them to respect or understand you. This is the main reason you hate Turks but you do it yourself.
Gkh Cft He didn’t say he hated Turks. We can maintain harmony while recognizing a side is being fairly one sided about their nation’s involvement in a crime.
@@feudela4357 No one in Turkey wants to maintain harmony because of revanchist attitudes of Armenians and no Armenians want to maintain harmony because Turkey does not recognize what happened to Armenians as genocide. And I can't see a future where Armenians and Turks live side by side ever again even if Turkey recognize genocide.
@@gkhcft4149 Downplay other side? You really are coming from nowhere with your argument... What am I downplaying exactly? The Ottomans killed pver 2 million Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians combined, and today they occupy their land and spit on their graves by denouncing the existence of the genocide... Not saying all Turks are like this, but Erdogan and his supporters certainly are. There has been for a long time a presence of fascism in Turkey, this is the problem.
I would really love to listen to your take on Holodomor in Ukraine.
Hi
Sadly, there are deniers of that event
@@exudeku as with every genocide
@@pidpilnahumanitarka some people are ideots
Holodomor was caused by Ukrainian farmers who refused to collaborate with the Soviet Union. It wasn't a genocide
The most ironic thing: Archduke Ferdinand supported Serbian independence, he would have let them leave after he became emperor; he was The crown Prince.
I thought he would have let the Southern Slavs form a third kingdom in the Austro Hungarian Empire and elevate them. This action would have prevented Serbian political hegemony of Yugoslavia. A Serbian officer ordered the assassination after all... (and why would any Emperor let someone go?? We're talking about Bosnia not Serbia which was already independent. The nationalist Serbs sought Yugoslavia not just Bosnia, which had many ethnic groups)
Why didn’t they assassinate the warmonger of the dukes instead of the peacemaker?
@TheBrodsterBoy xD
@@jwil4286 They killed him because of that not despite that. Serbian-Jugoslav ambition went further. The crown prince's ideas wasn't enough but enough to appease most of the region. Serbs and Bosnian Serbs wanted all of Jugoslavia. That's why anything exploded in WW2 again with Croatians collaborating with the Germans. Tito's Serbian led communist Jugoslavia was the result and with Tito's death, the genocides of the 90s. Which were successfully stopped by NATO. Today the region is at peace. But Serbia still dreams of Greater Serbia and is erecting statues of Gavrilo Princip. Since more and more ex-jugoslavian countries join EU and/or NATO. Their dream, anybody's else's nightmare, is dead.
Yeah he supported lots of modern reformation along with social welfare but some people dont really care about that they just see him as an obstacle towards freedom.
Ladies and Gents, grab your popcorn! You're about to see a completely civilized and mature discussion in this comment section.
Knowing Better comment sections are pretty good. Well relatively.
@@maxhydekyle2425 Shut up!!!!! Sorry. I just had to ruin it.
WHAT DID YOU CALL MY MOTHER?
The comment section be like "well actually..."
There is no single comment that starts with ''well actually..'' you just wanna start some shit and then complain about it.
The map of recognition isn't correct, Sweden recognizes the genocide and did so in 2010.
Hopefully, more countries recognize it. I also hope at some point Japan cleans out their skeletons.
@@saber2802 I agree, and looking at Germany it shows that accepting the guilt, paying for the crimes and moving on is better than perpetual denial.
What was the Holdup?
@@ShallowContrarian LOL Germany is only accepting their own guilt because they are cucked by the allies and that Germany itself is controlled by outside powers.
@@Justkoelkastgirl Sure, Turkey is backward, but the willingness of Turkish men to volunteer for military service is many times higher than in Central Europe. In my opinion, this kind of sacrifice should be valued more in Europe. Unfortunately, money is automatically pushed out of the magic wall and people are completely self-centered bullies, living in a bubble.
Thank you for doing this! My family fled during the Armenian Genocide and we ended up in New York City. It’s shocking how still today, people ignore or don’t know about the Armenian Genocide. 🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲
Please support Remembrance 2025,Armenian Holocaust,110 Years at the federally funded US Holocaust Museum in DC by contacting them requesting this exhibit.
of course people dont know because it didnt happen
@@ugurkaya31 I wish you were correct. My family would not have had so much heartache.
The term Holocaust was first used by Churchill to describe the Armenian Holocaust. I think this term is more meaningful than genocide.
😂😂 lies. They migrated to USA because ottomans were collapsing and had no resources left.
It’s like, how Belgium’s king killed 10 million Congolese, yet everyone forgot.
The only difference there really is Congo was deemed the private property of the king. Not really a part of the state at all.
DMTTMC Yes.
@@DMTTMC Yet there's still a king, probably from the same royal family too so there's that.
@@johnd.7606 says something about the internet that I can't tell if you're joking or not
Listen to the yell of Leopold's ghost,
Burning in Hell for his hand-maimed host.
Hear how the demons chuckle and yell,
Cutting his hands off, down in Hell.
- The Congo, Vachel Lindsay
Who today remembers the annihilation of the Armenians? Hitler August 1939
Amen and thanks for mentioning that!
could you prove this? When and where did he say that? I am sure you cant because this is a made up thingy
@@ugurrr literally google "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" and look it up.
@@ugurrr Seriously? You're talking about made up thingies? Come on Even some of your own people find it hard to believe the lies turkey spreads i suppose it's a struggle to live in a country like that, people there are getting cynical about everything I see ...
@b12 o Wow! Fox News owns your soul! Go light a candle and rub some honey on your brass idol of Ann Coulter. LMAO
11:49 That's because rape isn't really about sex. On the surface level, it is. But deep down, it's about power. It's about feeling strong, and in charge. It's about humiliating the person you think is "beneath" you. It's "soiling" them and making the relatives of the victim feel powerless when they fail to stop it. It's psychological torture as well as physical. Even outside of the context of War, rape is mostly some douchebag, frustrated about something, and releasing that frustration in the most base, personal, and invasive way. Regardless of gender, age, sexual orientation, etc, it's more about being "in charge", "in control", to be in a position of power above the person you are abusing.
Sexual gratification for the rapist is more or less secondary. Dominance upon the other is the priority.
I was hoping I'd find this comment somewhere. Such an important note.
@@saintjezebel My point being, if they just wanted sex, they'd have consensual sex. The fact that they decided to get sexual gratification through other means than consensual sex denotes something more brutal and debasing in their reasoning. As in, "I do not believe the person I raped for my own sexual gratification is worthy of respect/consideration/pity/etc." Whether you choose to believe it or not.
Edit: you don't even need some 50 pages long psychological study on the matter to see the truth in it. Just listen to the words of the rapists when asked why they did it. Some will say "for the sex", yes. But many others will also say several variations of "I wanted to put those bitches back in their place", or "I wanted to hurt them". To put it back in the context of war, some might even say "They were the enemy, therefore they were sub-human/did not deserve respect".
@@spearmint1570 Indeed.
@@saintjezebel Of course rapists say that. Many (especially date rapists) may even believe it. But even in their case... the reason it's rape is that they needed to control the other person. Maybe it's not about humiliation in their case, but it's still about control and subjugation and dehumanization. Otherwise, they'd take no for an answer, or not impair the other person's judgment, or not use their physical or economic power, or whatever other means they use to rape the other person.
And stranger rape, as described in this video, is absolutely an act of, not just violence, but outright hatred, not of sex.
Rape is always sex. Why are you adding so many other things up to name it from the "mating" category?
Rape in genocide is usually committed as a humiliation tactic
Knowing Better: "I don't wanna be known as 'The Genocide Channel'
Also Knowing Better: *Posts this video*
Chrissy The Conqueror
I remember when he said that
it was necessary to spread the word, and to debunk these awful lies. you can never hide the truth.
@@adrianatgaming8640 But the irony is still visible
*Denies Knowing better saying this in a turkish accent*
@@nekomancie7419 from where does he come?
Aannnddd..... insta-banned in Turkey. (If Turkey hasn't banned TH-cam already).
Turkey actually disabled TH-cam for 6 weeks back in either 2012 or 2013, I can't remember.
@@talos_the_automaton2329 wtf? I am from Turkey and Instagram isn't banned
As if freedom measured by how much American platforms are accessible to you.
apple's lover buuut it is rather unfree to choose what your people have access to
Suprisingly Erdoğan didn't drop the ban hammer yet, i too am extraordinarily humble
Fatih Gul and you guys are just okay with the government banning platforms?
Thanks a lot for shedding light on this matter. Our Armenian brothers went through a lot. They deserve their history to be remembered. From a Kurd.
Bijî Kurdistan!
@@amirsur2750 Biji Shtr Bremin ❤️
The long and sordid history of the treatment of the Kurds also badly needs to be addressed. Maybe on this channel. Many Americans, for instance, have only recently learned about what happened under Saddam and Daesh.
Biji Kurdistan.
Love from Texas.
@@OlOleander Yes, agreed a hundred percent. The bad treatment is from all sides. Thank you for addressing it.
i hope that your people won’t need to suffer what we did
Armenian genocide denial is enabling fascism just as holocaust denial is
why?
i mean you guys are denying the genocide you people committed towards turks
@@joaogabrielimperial7777 Better question: Has it occurred that one might be living under a mountain or an actual genocide denialist?
To maybe help with the confusion on why rapes happen in events like this or wars in general. Rape is not sex. Rape is violence.
@@weakspirit_ whos denying genocide?
@@TheMaxwilder Turkey.
Yeah, even with stranger rapes outside of war, it's usually an expression of hatred towards women or a specific ethnic group, etc.
True. Its about flexing power and domination.
It is a snuggle with a struggle.
So TH-cam has a problem with a historian, making an educational video, about one of the darkest ugliest things that happened during the later days of the Ottoman Empire. Thanks for making it harder for teachers to educate those, that are curious about any particular subject, like History. Frickin' TH-cam, man... This was a very well researched video, and I am recommending it to my friends that love to learn about history, but don't happen to know about this channel. Thanks, and cheers, mate. ;-)
It's not PC and TYT don't want people bringing this up.
@@Comoghwin102 you can thank leftists like carl maza
Timeghost, from the channel World War Two, has some stuff on this and is also trying to do something about it
It's pretty clear that the other people who have replied never made through the whole video.
@John Ratican leftist narrative? What is this, 1919, or 2019? Grow up, mate.
I speak on behalf of the Armenians when i say we appreciate you and your efforts put into this video
Yep, it's the best video on the topic
100% with ya there. I wish he did a video on what recentely happened
You don’t speak for all of us
@@joeybradbury7684 They speak for everyone who’s correct
Same here
There are two ways that genocide denial can be done. One is to excuse or ignore the deaths. The other is to paint any event which causes widespread deaths as a genocide. One minimizes the fatalities, the other trivializes it.
And yet somehow Turkey manages to do both at once.
you also deny turkish genocide by greek,s , armenians revolt and killing thousands of turks and kurds .
@@eroseros47 I have done nothing of the sort. Were you replying to the wrong comment?
@@eroseros47the turks killed a million Armenians
By the way, the Azerbaijanis - in a sense, in response to the accusations of their Turkish brothers in the Armenian genocide - call the Khojaly massacre genocide, although it was committed by several Armenian soldiers on their own initiative and they killed a maximum of 613 people during it.
"But 49 states do. It's Mississippi, before you pause the video to google it"
Of COURSE it's Mississippi! It's ALWAYS Mississippi! What is wrong with that state!?
You answered yourself "It's Mississippi"
Everything about Mississippi is what’s wrong with Mississippi. I mean, their state flag says it all.
Although I’m sure the people down there are nice.
@@ajiththomas2465 we need to make a missisipi sea
@@ajiththomas2465 *mississippi
there name has no a
Long time viewer of Armenian descent, and all I can say is wow and thank you :)
lets expel all agressive nationalists form earth to the moon to have their own country (and seem them realising that they are now the victims of a holocaust).
@@Irobert1115HD
I've always thought we should put all the racists on a little island and let them wipe eachother out.
@@asswizardofsiberia520 the big racist battle royale. the winner is the owner of the island.
@OrganicEcstasy they are still the bigger problem. a bit of nationalism is never totaly bad (its called patriotism).
@OrganicEcstasy the deal we are talking here is that the idiots can fight who is the most patriotic (agressive nationalist) on an island. we wouldnt kill them they would do the job themselves.
My great grandmother was an Armenian genocide survivor. In 1915, the Ottoman Turks showed up to her house when she was a child. They demanded my great great grandfather convert to Islam or die, and they beheaded him. They also beheaded his wife and nine year old son. My great grandmother and her three sisters ages ranging 4-12 knew this was coming and had prepared for it. They ran away into the wilderness and hid there for a few months. One day they saw a group of people marching and they were excited to see people who they though could save them. It was a death march. They joined the death march and realized what it was when it was too late. the youngest sister, age 4 was lost and was cut up and left in a mass grave. She was found be a Turkish or Arab family and taken in as a slave. She was a slave until she was 18 when she was able to leave. The other three made ur thorugh the death March until 1918 when Syria was given to France and they were sent to an orphanage in Lebanon. That was the first time in 3 years they had stable food and water and loved the orphanage. They eventually found a relative in America and went to live with them. The four sisters werent reunited until 1959, 44 years after they were split up. I don't get how Turkey cna continue to deny this.
I don't want to sound like an asshole nor am I denying the facts that it happened but was it this gruesome? I just have trouble believing the convert to Islam or die part because there was a thousands if not millions of non muslims in the Ottoman Empire
@@eatass1332 That's what I was told by my mother, but there is a book about it which has all of the events in it
This is terrible and I'm so sorry that your ancestors had to endure this unthinkably despicable sin. I give my condolences to your family.
@@eatass1332 You have to take Balkan Wars and WW1 into account, as well as change of Government.
Before that non-Muslims were fine, after Balkan Wars Turks started to forcefully convert people because non-Muslims could not be trusted anymore.
Just look at Eastern Anatolia, it was 50-50 in Greek/Turkish population. By 1923 there were less than 10% of Greeks in Eastern Anatolia.
my great grandparents fleed armenia sadly they never told there story to anyone :/
Thank you for raising awareness about Armenian genocide 😢🇦🇲
Dude, you have no idea what expects you, when the turks and azeris find out about this video😀
Greetings from Armenia.
Thanks for the video.
who cares im a turk and i know this happened but i dont apologiez because every country has its dark sides and war crimes , only the strongest one survives and thats how it went
@@funbun420
That's total crap, even Ottoman Sources before 1914 state there were 1.4-2 million Armenians, I don't think you understand just how many Armenians lived inside the Ottoman Empire...They were one of the largest minorities, and today they are almost non-existent in Turkey. Nobody is spreading or perpetuating lies but Turks like you, well educated Turks like
@
RED/AMV recognize the events because it has nothing to do with him, he is a not a blind nationalist with too much pride to ever accept the fact that their ancestor's were ass holes. Like he said, every county has had it's dark side.
Sorry for the pain we caused
@@0g0mogosepikworld31
You don't have to apologize for your ancestors, I know there were many sensible and rational people like you back then that would have been against it.
@@redamv9461 Heck even Sweden has a dark side
“In Gallipoli, against the British and French”
*Glares in Australian*
(And also in New Zealander)
*points and laughs in American*
Australia and New Zealand where part of the British empire back then, have union jacks on their flags, where subservient to Britain, and the majority of their populations where British / Anglicized
@@christianweibrecht6555 Incorrect. Australia has been a seperate country since 01/01/1901. Probably fact check next time...
He started the video with a quite humiliating and abnormal example, what do you expect? I have watched other videos of him too and as a history student, I can clearly say that his videos are not neutral at all. He is probably more interested in the income of his channel than knowing who ANZACs were...
@@haganekazuki2241
Judging by your name, I'm gonna hazard the guess that the Nanking episode wasn't to your liking.
Knowing better: The first world war was the first global war in history
Seven years war: Am I a joke to you?
Hell, The 7 years war is can be called WW0
@@givemeyoureggs456 no it's the real world war one the one he's talking about here is the real world war 2
Brandie and UK&Colonies. owning France,Austria,Sweden and Russia colourised
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that
*The Prussians won that war*
@@theyoshi202 that's why it's not considered as one you're a genius
You remind me of my favorite high school history teacher. He was really old and back from retirement but when actual history wasn’t in the text book, he would read to us from HIS history book, an American history reference book he acquired while getting his doctorate in history. He was very animated when he spoke. You could tell he loved history.
Remember to never gave up to doing your videos even if YT is demonetizing them! Hope u will grow larger and larger I just love to listen to your videos doing stuff
There were, like, 12 russo-turkish wars. Only several of them are remembered, but all are named the same.
Except for Crimean War. :P
@@martinmortyry7444 Yeah, you're totally right. That very war in which Leo Tolstoy famously took part when he was a young guy.
@qwertyuıopğüasdfghjklşizxcvbnmöç Yeah, wild times, multiple wars at any given moment in time... Oh, except nothing has changed since. Wars still lead to a whole lot of awful deaths, no matter on which side, and too bad we as people don't even get to choose if we actually want to fight. And when we do, it's always a civil war, which is even worse. Russians call a civil war (and THE civil war, the only one we had, which lead to the creation of the Soviet union) "the brother-killing war". But isn't any war like that?
There's 30 treaties of Paris. History is just like that sometimes.
Damn history does repeat itself
"Knowing Better uploaded Denying Your History. 53 mins ago."
This video demonitised. 43 mins ago. :/
That first 10mins 'tho ... cha-ching ! :)
"We didn't do anything. But they deserved it"
-Ottoman Empire
POV : your living in christian country who needs blacksheep country
Also we dont say they deserved because of genocide we talk about how russians provocation armenians in north. Most of them were traitors. They lived with us even sultan called them trustfull nation and even gived them hazine anahtari(bank key or treasure key of country idk how you translate this to the nglish) when rums (or other minorties)and armenian were in fight we always were armenians side bruh you guys dont even know other side of story and talk sh#t on us. I wish you could talk about England and Spain(colonism,genocides,making people of the same race fight) like that
If you really wanna blame someone blame austria and russians who maked them rebel to ottoman with slavism(they even make bulgarians slav which they are'nt with slavism)
@@ampulsuper Plenty of people in European countries or European descendants will acknowledge the atrocities committed by their ancestors. You should stop deflect blame and acknowledge that Turkey is almost entirely at fault for what happened to the Armenians.
@@benz6217 can you shut up and search slavizm. Did you really think we hated armenians why we attacked them ? Did we just change our minds and said wow this race isnt have same religion like ours and killed all of them(!) Are turks barbarian to you? We had war with our citizens(armenians) because we wanted have fun?
If you’re doing another video about ethnic cleansing, you should do it about Communist China’s cleansing of Uighurs and Tibetans, which is still happening today. Like Turkey, western governments only ignore it so they can continue trade.
I think they are about to slaughter or starve a lot of Uighurs ...theyve imported 10s of thousands of Han Chinese to take the place of the locals when it occurs...and block outsiders from filming almost anything at all there
They try to assimilate them by making their tradition illigal and importing foreigners(han chinese)
+Louis 494 We all accept he 'played it safe' - he'll never do any explaination nor acknowledgement about north and south american ethnic cleansings & genocidal massacres/butcherings against native americans; but he has his own agenda; unsuprisingly
@@thedoruk6324 He talks about American crimes against Native Americans in multiple videos.
@@maxhydekyle2425 Only mildly - inconclusively. 'Tad bit is the right word. He never made a whole video about this; or any similiar ethnic cleansings.
You should do a video on TH-cam demonetization on videos that are against their views not their rules.
Yes please
in high school in California, this is one of those things that was covered in one powerpoint presentation slide. thank you for this.
I did not know anything about this until several years ago, when a group of local businesses run by Armenian American families began running radio ads where they would explain parts of the history. It was interesting to hear an ad with another bit of information about the history, and then have it say, "brought to you by..."
I also didn't know there was such a large Armenian population where I live, either.
I often wondered if the station was run by someone of Armenian descent, because while very informative, I could also see an adult contemporary music radio station not wanting to touch the subject with a ten foot poll. It is kind of a 180 to fade out from early 2Ks pop, into a commercial break length story of genocide, and then go back to some 80's song.
Hitler: hey can i copy your work?
Turkey: Sure, but change it up a little so nobody notices.
Hitler: Okay!
Stalin to
@@aleeoid3410 * Mao
@@chillaxo9863 double fixed it.
Oh really u think Turks actually killed all those Armenians? U dont have proof to accuse us of doing so and ur just going on the internet accusing people of not doing ehat u think they did. Let me tell u the truth. They did bad stuff in our country so we got them away from the capital. To syria they went until they stopped doing what we told them to do and they died because the way was tough and they didnt eat much bc they wanted to disgrace everything we had. U happy now that u know the truth i dont think this will change ur opinion since a lot of u guys hate on us but im just tryina help u really
@@cyluxty3371 the Armenian genocide happened there is overwhelming evidence
It doesn't help that you have apologized for it
Shame on you
Knowing Better: *Creates a video about the Armenian Genocide*
*Turkey disliked that*
Actually a lot LIKED that
turkey: that wasn't very cash money of you
*reverse card*
An even more terrifying fact here is that the word "Holocaust" (Greek for "whole burnt offering) was first used to describe the Hamidiyan Massacare.
@@erikaitsumi2633 No it means whole/total/mass burn.
From a native Greek
It actually referred to sacrifices in ancient Greece
@@devincetee5335Yes, i made a mistake, sorry.
"Possibly the first Western scholar to use 'holocaust' in a genocidal context-to refer to the Turkish genocides of Hellenic, Armenian and Assyrian populations in Asia Minor between 1914 and 1924-was Melville Chater in his 1925 article 'History's greatest trek'. He was referring specifically to the burning of Smyrna [...] in September 1922."
Survivor of lifelong sexual abuse here.
Rape is an inherently violent act. You wouldn't do that to someone you respect, someone whose autonomy and boundaries you respect. It's dehumanizing and humiliating, and more often than not in those contexts, they use it as that. As a weapon.
It is why it tends to be more commonly used against marginalized people. (people of color, women, trans people) They see us as subhuman.
(maybe not all cases, I know one of my abusers' mentality is much more complex. maybe he genuinely believed he cares and tried to rationalize his abuse or buried it. it is different when it is someone within your circle of trust, I suppose, but he is.. sexist. so I don't doubt that played into it.
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“Two olympic sized swimming pools full”. Americans will literally use anything other than the metric system
We use the metric system in our drug war. For example, as per 21 USC 841, under 5 kilos of coke is 5 to 40, while over 5 kilos of coke (or 400g of fentanyl) gets you 10 to life (first offense).
Friend 1: Hey man there's a fine ass lady two meters behind you..
Friend 2: What? 2 meters? What the fuck you talking about?
Friend 1: Sorry my bad, she's 264 golf balls behind you..
Friend 2: Damn right she's gorgeous
What would you prefer? Kiloliters?
@malcolm caden Did you not go to school?
@malcolm caden ... it's literally just 1000 liters
Turkey: The Armenian genocide didn't happen! There wasn't even a word for it back then!
*Finds out the word 'genocide' was modeled after the Armenian genocide.*
Turkey: Wait, that's illegal.
People here deny it was systematic with excuses like "it was a war" etc. So the term being defined after it doesnt really matter.
@@noty2673
How do you have war with a civilian unarmed populous. So the Ottoman Empire vs Own civilians is a war? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense buddy.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 there were small groups within the armenians that did form armed gangs. Thats where the "war" part is from.
@@noty2673
Those were originally formed to fight back against Turkish soldiers sent by the state to demand pay from the Armenian towns that refused to pay the Jizya, a incredibly heavy tax on all non-Muslims.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 not all of them, but sure. And jizya tax was removed from practise long ago already.
One of the saddest things is going to my family history tree and seeing so many ancestors and relatives death date be 1915 😔
15:07 I dont know where you got that map, but Sweden has recognized the genocide since 2010.
It took them long enough
Filipe Saramago At least it’s progress in the right direction.
I just looked up my own country and am glad to see it on the list. 2004 is late but better late then never
My great grandfather was Pontic Greek and he and his family ware diported to the sea. Some Russian ships saved them and took them to Russia. After the fall of the soviet union my mother's family moved to Greece.
Yo they are so lucky. But i have a question. How were they treated in russia? Were they treated well? Were they treated like average citizens or were they treated like dirty foreigners?
@@generalgrievous2202 Russia already had a Greek minority in the black sea coast so it wasn't that bad. But under Stalin, many Greeks were moved in Central Asia. My family was lucky and they didn't have to move. When Stalin passed away the Greeks that were moved to Central Asia returned back.
Russian propaganda 😂😂. Russian heroes and evil turks, sure buddy
Sorry to hear that
As a Turk I'm really sorry for the genocide and mostly for the people that try to deny it for politics.
There is immense social pressure about the event not being genocide. It's even hard to question this issue since it is affirmed by everyone that you don't even discuss it anymore. If you attempt to do it, you gut shuned and disliked by almost everyone.
Even if you bring any evidence they will just reduce it to "propoganda and lies of 'outside forces'"
The Turks love and take pride in the heroism of their ancestors in battles and their military. So that kind of events (making them look like villians) are really unreal and unacceptable for them.
Even though they proudly call themselves racist. It is amazing.
Funny because my nation have pride on the battle where we winned agains you even if we had fewer soldiers.
I'm glad that people like you are willing to believe more than government lies. I think it is about time that Turkey stops this childish delusion of the genocide, because all it is doing is making themselves hated by their neighbours and the international community.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for acknowledging it
Bir de bunlar çıktı başımıza. Dünyaca ünlü tarihçiler soykırım olmadığını söyledi. Bernard Lewis gibi büyük bir tarihçi bile soykırım demenin imkansız olduğunu söyledi. Yani ben sana şimdi ne diyeyim. Ruhen bunaldığın için soykırım vardır deyip geçiştirmek istemiş olabilirsin.
I hope that a middle-point can be reached by both sides, this is a serious event that shouldn't be described by listening to only one sides opinion
14:00 "All Turks hate Armenians", simply not true. Central Asian Turks, such as myself, do not hate Armenians. I am an Uzbek we never had a historic interaction with Armenians, thus, no hatred nor love could be possible. We are neutral towards Armenians.
Theres not even "hatred to armenia" at here turkey. The whole video is complete bs made to satisfy armenians.
@@justarandompersonininterne6583 I don't know about the situation in Turkey because I have never been there. However, I have noticed while I like his videos for their depth of the subject. In most of the videos the author is little biased, which is OK in most of the times I guess. But sometimes, like in this one. It is just not acceptable.
He meant Turks from Turkey not Turkic People from Central Asia .
@@britishcountryball8812 so what,we dont even give any fucks about armenia at here turkey,no one fucking cares about thrm except erdog supporters thinking were going to be a caliphate. Also no,you cant say 1.5 million died while theres only 880 thousand lived in ISTANBUL. Not eastern turkey. "Genocide" is complete bullshit made by russians to make armenians revoly
@@britishcountryball8812 bruh... Did you watch the video at all? Literally at 13:45 he generalized all Turkic speaking nation into "Turks"
“They lost all of their territory in Europe”
Constantinople: “am I a joke to you?”
And Eastern Thrace
The Balkans in general
@s1 they didn't officially annex it.
Sashabizz4 they should 👌🏻
Xastian Veroth the US kinda is the same for most European countries ^^
Anyone here now during the Armenian vs Azerbaijan war ?
Scary times we’re living in
yep very, waiting for aliyev and erdogan to make out already
@Levon Sarkisian well said 👍👍
@Levon Sarkisian as a Chinese I sympathize a lot with Armenian. Turkey really reminds me of Japan. Both refuse to acknowledge their history and play the victim.
@Levon Sarkisian right you did what you did almost 100 years ago. you opened fire and waited for Russia support that never came. when are you going to learn not to trust them?
@Mustafa M Türklerin yüz karasısın sen.
Armenian Genocide 2.0 is currently happening in former Artsakh.
Turkey: "It wasn't technically a genocide!"
The word genocide was literally coined in order to describe what you did. All other genocides are measured in terms of what you did.
I would argue that all genocides are probably compared to the holocaust
Seth Tucker so you can’t think that this event happened in imperialism era and england, france easily blame us
Murat Emre Taş you’re doing what every Turk does when this is mentioned. Just say the same thing has happened before, so it’s fine.
@@rosspatterson1233 it's cockroach logic, ignore him
@@oklitus_1049 UK and France don't deny the atrocities they did in the past unlike Turkey, so what's your point?
"In Gallipoli against the British and French"
*Cries in ANZAC*
they usually sat back and watched colonial troops get killed anyhow. Lest we forget Anzac brother. What a shitty war that was, other than making Australia and New Zealand actual countries and not colonial possessions.
@@TheKurtkapan34 The bravery of the ANZACs at Gallipoli is something that won't be forgotten.
Its the boys from downunder. Didnt expect you here.
Respect to my ANZAC brothers from Turkey. People of all three countries were victims of their governments.
British casualties at Gallipoli, 120,200. ANZAC casualties at Gallipoli, 35,600.
Can we stop the asinine 'British sacrificed the poor ANZACs at Gallipoli to save their own' revisionism? It's crap. Gallipoli was a clusterfuck, definitely. An operation executed by poor commanders and inadequately/improperly trained troops that with hindsight was doomed to failure, just like a lot of early WW1 operations. But it wasn't 'evil British callously throw away ANZAC lives while sipping tea on their verandas', but rather 'commanders out of their depth waste the lives of their soldiers, regardless of nationality'. Which was (tragically) far from a unique situation in WW1.
System of a Down opened my eyes to the Armenian Genocide.
Your video just blew my mind about the atrocities. Thank you.
One of the greatest voices educating about the Armenian Genocide in the West
Holy Mountains is based off of the massacre of Musa Dagh, amd ita probably my favorite from them, besides "War?"
I don’t care what Turkey’s racist government has to say, I believe the Armenian genocide absolutely happened, and that Turkey should grow up, and stop acting like the Ottoman Empire is still a thing.
it did not happen
@@ZaxTheAl1en “It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” - Bill Murray.
@@luxeffere They died of starvation because the turkish government intentionally dropped them off in places that would kill them. If I kidnap someone take their food and leave them alone in a desert and they die and I constantly wrote about how I wanted them to die then I should probably be considered a murderer.
I thought saudi Arabia is the friend that doesn't quite belong
The Saudi's are the rich kid that we can't kick out
we've got a lot of friends that don't quite belong
Definitely going to be some Turkish haters on this video. As an Armenian myself, I don’t blame any Turks, just the government.
@Alon Kilci Most Turks deny it and most of those who do not actually celebrate it.
Anshushd Hayk, abris.
@Alon Kilci it hurts me a lot to talk to turks in my area, but i do in hopes of improvement. We need to be good neigbors again. Nationalists scream, we must talk.
as an Iraqi with partial Turkish ancestry, seeing some of the photos of the Armenian genocide was absolutely devastating. We can never move forward until we admit fault and sincerely apologize for what some of our evil ancestors did.
@@Nabonidus-m7x the personal stories of all the old people I've listen to growing up were truly nightmarish. This video didnt talk about the personal interaction of the turkish enforcers, who were not exactly model citizens. The ottomans released prisoners and used kurdish warlords also in what is today southeast turkey. It was very brutal but his dialogue captured the sentiments of both sides. One other consequences of turkish denial is the radicalization of survivors among Armenians.
The fact that New Zealand doesn't recognise the Armenian Genocide due to Gallipoli is a point of shame for a lot of us.
Isn't there another genocide from the Maoris against another aboryginal minority as well?
@@sohopedeco Doesn't really have anything to do with this
@@justOneOllie I know. I was just curious if you would share any opinion about it.
@@sohopedeco Look mate. There's always that prehistory of Indigenous tribes killing each other, especially over many centuries...
But that still doesn't mean they're not a collective victim against a larger force, who did a good number on them in a short amount of time, in a devastating way.
New Zealand, UK, Canada, and Australia are USA puppets so of course they bow down like cowards in fear and try to please their master USA
The Turkish official government website claims that just as many Turks died during the same time period😂😂
It did. That doesn't mean genocide didn't happen.
@@hotpotato3311 exactly. The Turks died cuz of the soldiers in the war. Not innocent civilians that were genocided
@@johnford9070 Nah, there were Armenian insurgents that killed Muslims civilians.
It's ironic that some of the most insightful and intelligent videos on TH-cam are demonitized by a very unintelligent algorithm.
All thanks to SJW and brainwash weeb
@Yoshi Does Stuff Same as you and i the world we live are full of ironic
@Yoshi Does Stuff not him... Is our world is full sense of Ironic of live
Not confirming for so many decades
After that
US: ItS ReAl
Algorithms do exactly what they are DESIGNED to do. let that sink in.
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"My name's not TED BUNDY (anymore..) its... BED... TUNDY! which means murder DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!"
15:08 Seeing my country as a full denier of this genocide is just horrible
"You might think these dots mean Armenians were deported across the Black Sea to Russia"
T H E Y W E R E D E P O R T E D T O T H E B L A C K S E A
NO,IT WAS DEATH MARCHES,WITH NO BREAD OR WATER..TOWARD THE DESERTS,OF SYRIA,DER EL ZOR..MILLIONS BURIED THERE..
This was never genocide. it was a relocation. It was not legally related to the definition of Genocide. It is imperative that the genocide was systematic and deliberate by the state. There was never such a systematicism and deliberate state action. At that time, there were people who died from illness and poverty during the relocation. However, the economic opportunities of the Ottoman Empire were limited at that time. Despite this, those who were negligent among the Ottoman officials also received heavy penalties at that time. This alone shows that it is not a deliberate crime by the state. The number of Armenians who died was well below the number you mentioned. It wasn't even a million. Many Armenians have already reached where they were relocated.
We said that. "We have opened our archives to all researchers. Other countries - Armenia, Russia, England, etc. - should open their archives to researchers. Armenian Historians and Turkish Historians should set up a collective commission. This issue should be investigated." Armenians did not accept. Because they are lying.
During World War I, while Muslim men were in the army, Armenian men massacred women and children in Turkish and Kurdish villages with the support of the Russians. The Ottomans always approached the Armenians with sympathy until the Armenians did this. There was peace between us. They were called the most loyal nation. However, with the support of Russia, the Armenians committed massacres. To keep these groups away from regions close to Russia, the state was forced to relocation. During the voyage period, a budget was allocated for the needs of the Armenians. They were given new lands where they could live. Of course, some people died. However, it is necessary to evaluate the difficult economic conditions of World War I and the state striving to prevent deaths. Armenians also know that this is not genocide. They benefit from deceiving the international public.The Khojaly Massacre by Armenians in modern times is the clearest proof of this.
ART DECO, Der el zor is not a dessert. Der el zor is very fertile. Because it's near the Euphratus River. In Mesopotamia, crops are harvested ten times a year near the river. Because there is no frost in the winter.
In addition, the Ottomans did not have any extra ships to wait in vain in the Black Sea during the war only to kill civilians. Also, what do you think happened to the captains and crew of the ships? Did they, too, commit suicide for this ridiculous mission? If the Ottoman wanted to kill the Armenians, why would it spend time with a fantasy by using ships? The state could kill them directly if they wanted to. So nothing like that happened. Those ships went to Russia. This was a deportation.
@@orkunyucel3095 I’ve seen you everywhere in these threads saying the same shit, so I’ve got one question to ask you?
Why the fuck does the Turkstapo only have like one or two copypastas for their nationalist drones to spread all over the internet?
@@orkunyucel3095 "It was not legally related to the definition of Genocide" The term genocide is based on what happened in the Armenian Genocide. It is THE definition.