Does 240 Hz actually give you an advantage?
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- Was I able to "see" 240 Hz for myself? And who the heck needs a super high refresh rate anyway?
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its ok :), we luv u
Aren't we all.
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FYI "enemy lag" could be described as reaction time lol, but in the context of gaming, I think your term is actually better, to keep it parallel to the other types of lag we refer to.
you always fuck up every video you made , fans needs good content be conscious about it..
but the human eye can't see more than 8gb of cpu
i can't even see your future.
Natsheh Gaming I disagree, we can't remember more than 1.6 GHz
Well don't forget that cuda cores can only get to 7200RPM, so with that, your game can't even get to 4GB of GDDR5X CPU (which only outputs at 1.2Ghz anyways).
i love how the first person didnt get the joke it made your continuation that much better
Erogone he did get the joke
Just play 30 hz for 1 month and go back to 60 hz, you will no longer need 240 hz
Hououin Kyouma do not follow this advice
This is the single most important piece of advice on this thread. #modernproblemscallformodernsolutions
30hz 240iq
You are damn 👉
Well said. If you want to be grateful, experience from below. Not above
My wallet sees the difference that's why I still have 60hz monitor.
Edit: i actually bought a 144hz 2k soon after this 🙃
Void bruh I sprung for a 75hz monitor and even that small of a diff is a big diff. I got it and gamed for 3 weeks, then a line of pixels died and I had to send it in for repairs. I used my older monitor while it was gone and I felt drunk playing. Like my mouse felt choppy and not balanced. So I couldn’t imagine a 240hz to a 60hz play session, I’d rather not play at that point haha
@@LtSheppardXxL My first time playing over 40 FPS felt like i was drowning on land, It gave me a worse headache than being at a party you never wanted to go to.
144hz for $300
18lucky17 bro u can get 144hz way cheaper than that
@@18lucky17 im literally about to buy a 144hz today. And its about $180. 240hz are $300
The human eye can only see one gb of mousepad
RX4000 that isn’t true the human eye can only see 1000 mb of keyboard
Wrong. The human eye can only see 24 karat of gaming chair
False. The human eye can only see 60fps of desk
Guys please don't mess around human eye can only see 1 gb of Csgo
It's mouse carpet, get it right kid.
I don't even need a 100 hz monitor because my reflexes are so shite
stick to card games :D
Don't play speed or spoons though
Obama the Llama Lmao 60Hz lol
Llama grabs matter.
I need 144hz g-sync monitor because my reflexes are so shite. 100hz does feel slower and i do worse in games like battlefield 1. Maybe if i were younger and healthier, i would be able to land shots even with 60hz monitor. Those days are behind.
still waiting for 480hz 8k hdr ultra wide oled curved monitors
WOOD for under 300$
Cream With G-Sync
They got 8k 60hz. So were getting closer ha but i agree yes. But amoled instead of oled. Cuz isnt there bleeding in oled?
X pod X he was clearly joking
foochmeister why?
You wouldnt want that?
That is the exact reaction I had going from 60hz to 165hz. I thought I had just wasted my money... until I tried playing on the 60hz again. You can never go back. Lol
Truer words were never spoken. Same thing with screen size/resolution. I tried to go from a 30 inch display to a lower lag 23 inch display. I just couldn't do it, and felt like I had traveled back to the Stone Age. To be fair, both were 60hz, but I would take the 30 inch at 10ms over 23 inch at 3ms every time. It didn't effect my game. Going to the ASUS ROG 100hz 34", however, was like being visited by aliens who kindly shared their many miracles of Science with me.
You're trying to tell me that initially you couldn't tell the difference between 60 and 165 hz? Get your eyes checked.
If you actually couldn't tell the difference between them when you first got the monitor, there is something wrong with your brain.
Did you test 144 Hz? Because atm they are around 200€ and I consider buying one
@@mike_qt already saving my money 😂😂
If you dont have money to BUY this, just DOWNLOAD more MONEY
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klapaucius
thanks that helped.
Lol those likez
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my dumbass was staring at the monitors trying to see the speed difference even tho my phone only has 30 or more likely 60 hz
He recorded in 30fps anyway but you can still see the difference
Seifenopa ??
The human eye can only see 24fps anyways
The monitors are only getting about 60fps anyways.
TheNCGamer ?
Just download more hz
Jokakutihuti do u have the link?
Worked for me thanks
Thanks og now i can turn off
v-sync
Guys please seed.
People might actually take this seriously, please dont download hz. You cant
I'm watching a video at 60FPS on a 60Hz monitor, which shows a screen that has 300FPS on a 200Hz monitor.
watching the 1080p video on 4k monitor which is running 4k resolution.
Don’t break the matrix 😂
I'm watching your comment with my eyes at 30fps on a 60Hz phone screen, which shows a screen that has 300 fps on a 240Hz monitor.
Jesus Christ the lame ass comments have hit a new low.
JC Denton I agree, And your one is the lamest.
"The one bottleneck of 240 Hz gaming is YOU."
Very well said.
He said that right when I read this comment.
@@Sm00thieK You missed the point. The bottleneck is the person's skill when gaming; not the eyes.
@@ohmygusperez What's the bigger bottleneck, the skill or the bank account?
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk both
Still these clowns are claiming neoninja hacks
Spinny mouse benchmark is my favourite benchmark
Can't they just use that to see where the limit of perceivable Hz refresh is?
I mean, I see so many videos like this talking about how it's barely noticeable. I understand they are talking about in-game stuff, but... So many people say 240 is too much and even unnecessary.
I guess the limit is not our perception ("you are the bottleneck" thing), coz I clearly see the mouse jumping every other millisecond. I don't want that.
1000Hz monitors please
This is probably where the ''you can't see above 30fps'' came from.
Those people had a 30hz screen.
The reason is simple, it's a bad use of a rule. The 30FPS, more or less, was a true statement, but some people took it like a general thing, when it was actually "true" in one situation : when you look at a fix scene, but not when you have a background moving, and certainly not when the background if moving and that things in this scene are moving too
How do I check Hertz
@@stevethea5250 if I have a nvidia graphics card right click your wallpaper go to nvidia control panale and go to display setting or something like that and it will show your res and your hz of your monitor
@@stevethea5250 right click then click display settings . Then click click advanced display settings and there read it should show the hz. if not click display adapter properties then monitor then read :)
Inigo ain’t gettin more right
Just download gaming chair
MR POTATO just download a table.
@@stevethea5250 Just download a PC
@@pastamanity754 just download a monitor
just download a brain bro.... wait!!
Download ram
Where is the grandpa build ?
Will he be playing on this monitor ?
Totally not overkill
Fars Attack take a reply
A grandpa will need every competitive edge he can get.
I think your explanation of how we interpret 60 vs 240 hz irl was one of the best ways of explaining it that I've ever seen/heard. Very nice video my dude!!
thanks! means a lot
agree with you
ITGFlashGaming th-cam.com/video/Q1cmhZs1P54/w-d-xo.html
I spent all my money on this monitor, and I had none left for good gear, so I only get like 20fps
Lux Legend oh man I’m so sorry 😢
Oof !
Just download more ram to the stpdu gr4 3600. This will reduce your gpu latency and give u 45 extra fps.
Oof
Lux Legend Don’t worry the human eye can only see half a frame per second
60 Hz or 240 Hz. Nothing expensive
GOD CREATED HUMANS WITH 2 KIDNEYS NOT WITHOUT REASON GUYS, GO GET WHAT YOU WANT
Uhm don’t know if you’re joking but we kinda need kidneys....
Lol the 240 Hz. Monitor Is cheap
@@Aunos1 he has 5 kidneys maybe?
aunos bill gates just sold his kids
wait... but how can you see 240hz if there's only 700 people on the planet??
Clorox Bleach you mean English teacher? Idiot. Go to jail and get your self a aducation...
Tony Approves I thought it was 7000?
that is not true, human eyes can reach above 5000 frame but in order to do that are really base on the person been trained or not, it is because we never trained, human then slowly adopt to the current environment. Have you ever wonder when you were a kid, you always felt the time past so slow? That is the proof of we human original are, seeing things in very high frame compare of what now that you grow up felt the day past so quickly.
I once experience when I was kid having accident inside a bus, where I was terrified after I realize that it was a real accident not a dream. That accident was that I didn't had any injury because I was able to see what happen in super slow motion, the bus crashed into another bus in the front when on a highway at midnight. Till now I still remember the moment of seeing all windows very dark and every person on the bus slowly move the head towards the front and I also saw the front of the bus glasses slowly cracks, obviously I didn't know what happen but I quickly hold the handle in front of me and block my 4 years old little sister beside me with my hand because she is sleeping and brace then everything went back to normal and everyone fly towards the front. Obviously no death just people injured, my little sister got hit on the head a little bit but she was ok. For me that crash was like 5 mins long to happen but for every else they just felt like 1 sec.
MyRectumSphincterCouldChopYourDickOff Bitch HAHAHAAH I LAUGHED SO HARD
@@KingxRay there are theories regarding why time passes quicker as you age and it has nothing to do with your eye sight.. humans don't see in "frames per second"..
I assume it is only useful if your cpu/gpu combo can output 240 fps. Even the highest spec hardware can't on new titles. So you won't be able to see it unless you are running old titles like "CS GO"
D Johnson the highest specs can... stupidly expensive but it can
Not with everything maxed out, but if you're ok dropping AA a notch or two, or maybe dropping your resolution to 1080p that extra refresh rate can be worth it....well maybe not worth the extra cost, but at least get it to be smoother than you've ever seen a game go before.
Send me a benchmark of someone running witcher 3 at 240 fps. I am curious to see this.
anybody who has a a 240hz monitor already has a high end pc, this goes without saying, because those high refresh screens are not cheap after all especially with high res aswell.
D Johnson You're not going to want to be playing graphically intensive games at 240 hz. I would rather play Witcher 3 on a better quality monitor. Instead, you would probably use this on esport games which can be pushed to 240 with a high end pc.
i recently switched to pc after playing at a competitive level on console for over 5 years... and within a month after getting my pc (about a week ago) i switched to a 144hz display with a 1ms response time... and the improvement in my gameplay is honestly surprising how much of an impact it has made to me as a player and how much better its effected gaming for me
"The one bottleneck of 240hz gaming is YOU"
I disappoint my parents now I disappoint 240hz? *sad*
yeet
*clearly hasn't used a 60hz+ monitor
It's only $599.
He watched the video and thought "Wtf, looks exactly the same" lmao
z Captain it's because it's a 60hz video
the link he put in video description.
240hz.. 599$
100hz 1500$
am i missing something ?
The problem is it's not exactly an easy thing to just go out and try for yourself haha
Wow that cursor experiment you did was very effective. Thanks for this video. To the point and no bullshit clickbait.
This was very very well explained. The cursor behind the wall is the BEST explanation I've ever seen.
I only have one rule.
More hertz is always better, Ted.
More hertz is always better.
Not when the viewing angle requires you to look at the screen within 0.001°
@@ellypaws you sit in front of a monitor, i dont understand all this viewing angle shit. It doesnt matter.
@@gtab let me make that clearer, not when the viewing angle makes the colors look ugly even when you're sitting in front of it.
Yeah, but you have to see him for your reflexes to kick in. The later you see your enemy the later you can react so 240hz is good even for slow reflexes MY DUDE !
super helpful and clear description of the differences, thank you for this helps me decide to go with 240 hz display
Nicely done man. Great explanation and theory.
Never left pornhub so fast
Faxholm Killarna. lol
Input lag on Pornhub is a pain.
discostoo fuck you, I thought I had a hair on my screen.
Epic profile pic... Damn!
I actually thought "wtf is that hair", while reading +Glenn "I thought I had a hair on my screen."
Hair pic inception
Faxholm Killarna. never heard of dual monitors?
You cant see the difference in this video, because TH-cam only supports 60 fps.
RX4000 🤯🤯
HAZZARD motion blur
@@farsendingo7833 it is a pretty good way to test respnsiveness if you cant see it yourself :)
Great info!! it helped fill in a few gaps that ive been missing
Your explanation is so clean. Well done.
I can switch from 100 to 144Hz with my monitor, and i can't see the difference, but from 60 to 100, the difference is HUUUGGEEE, for me 100hz is the sweet spot
That's probably due to your peripheral vision is able to detect motion up to about 90hz (11-13ms average) while your foveal vision isn't able to process visual information faster than about 55hz (18- 24ms average). That's also the reason why VR headset refresh rates aim at 90hz minimum to avoid motion sickness or other ill effects from prolonged exposure.
Although, all new monitors probably do have some slight technological improvements that does make a small perceptible difference such improved motion blur suppression and display latency.
Professional gamers and wannabes will probably say they can see a huge difference but it's probably psychosomatic if tested on the same monitor at different refresh rates. they feel like they should see a difference so they do.
Do a double blind test. If you can't reliably tell which refresh rate the monitor is set at then you actually can't tell the difference. You should be able to tell at least 75-80% of the time or it's not a strong indicator beyond guessing.
Samsonite Dove
Can I just get a citation for the numbers?
"human eyes can only see 24 hz, duh"
HUMAN EYES DON'T WORK IN FPS
+Gundolf Scherenberg Even though it's a troll, fps and Hz are not the same thing ;)
***** In this case, however, they are essentially equivalent.
Why? Hertz is the unit for the inverse of time (so s^(-1)). It measures how often something happens per second.
If our eyes "see" the world n times a second (so with n Hz) then we perceive a complete image, which may be referred to as frame, n times a second. FPS simply measures frames in Hertz. Therefore we would measure the eye's FPS value.
Server Latency and isp is important too.
Really nice vdo. Pure info no bs to extend length of vdo🌹
you worded this abnormally well. You deserve a sub
144hz in 3440x1440p sounds perfect
car ram I want 1440p or 4k, but I want IPS. And I can't stand 60hz. Heh, sucks.
I'll take an 8k 560hz IPS panel with %100 Adobe Rgb and it being ultrawide
tell me when that happens
you can't rlly get affordable 4k high refresh rate monitors.... infact they are very expensive, and high end hardware cannot power them
what game would you play at 144fps at 1440p Ultrawide? nothing really AAA in the past year or 2 I can say that much.
3440x1440p 120hz is the sweet spot i think its hard for me to notice anything higher than that
You're saying I don't have super fast reflexes? Unsubbed.
kyle didn't mention that you can, and or have to train your reflexes to get them to a high level.
I'm pretty sure this comment was a joke...
PhantomIllusions it was
This has explained many questions for me. Thank you.
So well explained. Subscribed.
gpu = pump
cable = pipe
monitor = muzle
so cant run a 240L/h pump with a thin pipe and a even smaller muzle
imagine firefighters using their big pumps but then use a garden pipe to put out the fire.
I've always played everything in 4k at 60hz, and never even thought about sacrificing the resoloution for a higher refresh rate untill I bought a 1440p 165hz monitor, and man do I love it. It looks so good.
Is it the dell 2417dg? I'm thinking about getting that soon
This is not about sacrificing, this is about seamstress.
Finally a video that brings me useful information, thanks!
Dude, this video is so good. Thank you for the comparisons and the thoughts you expressed. I'm trying to get a power house P.C and I do video editing but I do game, rarely so. I want to get a monitor that'll work with both gaming and video work, 3d animation and creative stuff. I'm stuck between 4K monitors that have 60Hz bottle necks for gaming and 1440p monitors that have as high as 165Hz but sacrifice image quality... any recommendations
Anyone else swirl their mouse around at 4:20?
xD
The simple answer is yes, it does give you a big advantage such as fps shooters you’re able to see other players and have much more time to react to them before them. It is noticable 100%.
Yes but is it WORTH it, and it depends on how you compare it example you said its noticable....from what to what? 60hz to 240hz? possibly, but what if you went to 144hz first? its already not that cheap going to 144hz, 240hz cost HUNDREDS more to the point its more expensive then a 2k/4k monitor. If you already suck you think 240hz will make a difference? if you're good then it shouldn't matter either. If you suck it might help you train reaction time better but thats about it.
@@GawrGurasBathTubPizza Lots of people also discount internet speed and ping. You could have the greatest setup in the world with the best monitors but still suck because of network latency. I got a 240hz G-Sync Acer monitor for about $440 on sale which is not too bad for what you get. Does it cost more than a 2k or 4k monitor? Hell no. You only start to see absurd amounts when you want to buy a 2k or 4k monitor with 240hz. A regular non G-sync 240hz monitor will set you back $280.
Thank you. Well-illustrated with your own creativity.
Nice video, very through explanation of refresh rates on monitors.
AW2518HF 240h 10800 g sync vs 2716dg 2k 144htz which is best>?????
I have both and cant decide. When i want to get serious i use the 240hz when i want that eye candy i use the 2k monitor.
More Hz is an advantage as you can see. Seeing someone earlier, smoother, less or no input lag. However good you are you will become better by having that.
We need that 4K 120-144hz OLED Ultrawide ;D
inputlag is very device dependent - for example most monitors have a 10ms delay. your 144hz refreshrate does not help here- since information needs 10ms - after that the first frame of the 144frames start.
@@expseeker lol thats the amount on tvs not monitors because no one uses a 10ms monitor to game unles ur playing terraria or other 2d games. A good gaming monitor should be 1080p 144Hz and around 1-3ms response time for a past paced first person shooter like Cs:Go
@@panickyk2300 you missinterprete black to white pixel time with inputdelay. Just google the term you will find out that best monitors have around 5-7ms. I am not talking about the 1-2ms "reactiontime" to switch pixel colors. Inputdelay must be measured most new reviews do so.
fantastic. you hit every topic perfect. thank you.
damn bro my mom was chillin with me watchin this video and she understood everything you were explaining perfectley. You did a d@mn good job articulating that. Super good examples man.
ill save you some time. 100% yes
Kyle, I'm honored that you named the sexy monitor after my sexy self :)
PigWithAMustache lol
PigWithAMustache holy crap I read your comment the exact second he said pig
PigWithAMustache fucking pig
In about 3 hours im upgrading to pg258qr ! Great vid .. its my first gaming monitor comig from a 85-100 dollar monitor which hadnt even had a hdmi port
Very informative! Thnks dude!
i can't even see 60Hz bcs PS4 can't barely play any game at above 30fps :) #ConsolePeasant
Alfando Yogatama it’s pretty sucks
„Any game” only the games that you dont NEED more than 30 fps. In rpg games 30 fps is just fine. But in fps games 60 fps is better than 30 fps. For example bf4 have 60 fps and still good graphics, bf1, bfh same. All cod’s same. Im not console fan because i play on pc anyway (just love mouse for fps games but i like more gamepad for raceing, sim, rpg (matter what rpg) and other games.) i just want to say that consoles are fine and you can enjoy gameplay without these 60 fps in games that dont need fast reaction time. On pc 30 fps is shit because pc is tearing and stutter mashine on looked 30fps but on the console its another story. 30fps feel sometimes more smooth than nonstable 60 fps on pc.
Jay Skully Where did you get those facts? We don't see in fps and if we did it would be 800 or higher you're underestimating eyes they are better than just "30fps".
Jay Skully I can’t tell if I’m about to be on r/whoooosh or you are
iRuffy :D don't call him an idiot for playing on console you belittling douch
980ti SLI, still only 300fps... Did you forget to set the max fps to 0?
It looks like it's being rendered on both monitors simultaneously.
Steven Aque It is, but still. CS:GO can get 400fps on my potato.
CSGO is a lot more CPU intesive than GPU, im sitting with a 1080ti and OC 7700k hitting 400-500fps constant, with a 970 i hit 375-450fps constant
Chris Lewis CS:GO is cpu bound game
So I'm wrong in saying csgo is a cpu bound game? No way. I'd never have guessed.
You explained everything clear as the sky haha, keep it up 👍
Another important thing to consider is that not all displays are created equally. You can have two different 1440p / 100hz panels look and perform differently compared to each other despite having the same rates. Same for 60/120/240hz. It’s going to come down to the quality of the panel and how well it can display an image as well as how fast and clear it is. But like you say, the vast majority may only see a marginal difference between a comparison while the few may swing yay or nay either direction.
All I want is a low ping.
It's what comes before pong.
unless you get Fiber, not gonna happen.
A Human ping is the latency between you and the server hosting whatever game you're playing. It's measured in milliseconds. You ever noticed that when you're playing a multiplayer game and it starts lagging and your inputs are delayed? That's because you have high ping. In some games it doesn't really matter, but in FPS games like Overwatch, high ping is extremely annoying and because of high ping you die a lot. My problem is weird, because most of the time it will stay at a nice 60 ping. But then, it suddenly jumps to 300-400 ping for a minute, then fall back to 60. I die a lot from this. Hopefully I answered your question.
But human eyes can only see 60 Ping per second
llooll
A bit late to the party, but better late than never, I guess.
5:45-6:19 This is false. It's not a bottleneck. The latency from the monitor is additive to your response time. If it takes 100 ms for the enemy to pop up, then it takes you 100 ms + your response time to shoot him. If that latency is halved to 50 ms, then suddenly, the combined latency is 50 ms + your response time. No matter what your level is, you will get a competitive advantage from using faster monitors. The advantage is greater from professionals, since the difference in % is larger than it is for us mere mortals. But we still get a reasonable advantage. Same thing happens going from 60 Hz V-SYNC to 60 Hz uncapped (since V-SYNC means the graphics card waits instead of delivering the newest possible image) and from 60 Hz uncapped to 120 Hz uncapped etc.
Yeah, I was like how the hell does that make sense?
If I'm seeing the image sooner how does that not increase my reaction speed? lol.
So how is he wrong?. You're saying tge same thing
@@danielisflying A bottleneck implies that you cannot take advantage and that the combined response time doesn't change. That's false.
Unless returns to faster reaction speed increase at discrete intervals. Which they don't - but they could.
@@bg3841 I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not a native speaker, so that may be why. Could you clarify and elaborate?
Hey! What about the white glow on ect white text on black sites. Does this white glow only happens if you enable the darker screen features in option ? or is it only on some refresh rates ?
I realy want this screen and i got the money but i would die if all the white objects/text will have this white exstra glow around it..and what about the fan inside the monitor..do you hear it alot ?
How bad is it :D
Great video!!!! Very informative
Been playin on a slow ass huge TV for years guess ill be trating myself to this fast monitor
should atleast taken a 144hz and set to 120hz, or simply a 120hz monitor, THEN compare it to 240hz.
i rarely see 100hz monitor, most are 60-75-90-120-144-240 and the odd gsync 165hz monitors.
i went from 120hz to 144hz just because i wanted freesync (and there is pretty much no 120hz monitors out there) and that little jump wasnt noticeable, other than desktop mouse pointer was smoother :P
you explain it realy well in this video so that everyone should know why it is better to have a higer refreshrate on the monitor. Thumbs up :D
Great explanation! Thanks!
I have a 144 and I can't play on 60 ever again.
poor guy
i have 240 hz and 144 makes my eyes bleed now.
dr. whet farts dam how you get that much money lol spoiled brat
I have a 240 and I can't play on 144 ever again.
@@Dr.WhetFarts really ? Damn..
i love how this is explained with the mouse lol
Good info and easily explained
This video is phenomenal, thank you
144hz - 165hz is fine enough.
internet Aswel poor connection kills
indeed, 1440p ips 144hz is where its at, not sacrificing colors or visual fidelity but also getting that sweet fluidity...
...for 800$ ;_;
ehm i have seen a couple for 530 $ in europe :)
RepsUp100 60Hz is all you need. I prefer 4K and good colours.
TheBcoolGuy if you're playing CS 60Hz is balls lmao, feels terrible
What cable do you use to support 240 hz
Display port only can support that refresh rate
@@4Paok4Eptalofos no... hdmi can also check it but your gpu needs be able to do it, check alienware aw monitor
4:10
i was hovering my mouse cursor on top of his cursor!! that was a unique experience
The most practicle use I can think of for a 240hz refresh rate would be if you're using some 3d shudder glasses. With a framerate that high each could see a nice flickerless 120hz image, although with oculus and vive now on the scene there doesn't seem to be much of a future for 3d shudder glasses anyway.
I cannot play on a 100 Hz monitor and I need a faster monitor, but Hz isn't the solution by itself. Image retention, ghosting, input lag or any lag in general is equally if not more important. Most ISP router's are by far worse than any monitor's lag .. see buffer bloat.
However, as far as monitors I would only advise a 144 Hz or faster, true 1 ms, for the serious FPS gamer. My eye is on the forthcoming ASUS PG35VQ (3440×1440, 21:9, 200 Hz, 1 ms) .. _though I'd much prefer an OLED panel._
most monitors have an inputlag of 10ms, so they use their power to refresh a scene 144 times per second, which happened 10ms earlier. same for latency and server refreshrates :)
7:24 he talks about a bell curve.
2:09 Why is the 240hz monitor dropping so many frames when the game is running close to 300fps? Or is that the game stuttering and fraps is only showing the average fps?
you messed sth up...
Good video. Would’ve loved to hear your impressions on 144 vs 240. I like 1440p at 144hz. Tempted by 240 but really don’t want to go back to 1080p.
I'll stick with my 1440p 165hz G-Sync monitor. More than smooth enough for me :)
coinsagE46m3 Damn you rich American!
Hey I have a question, if you turn the Gsync off and you play a game at 60-70 fps, does it then look worse than it would on a 60 hz monitor?
I am asking this because i am looking to buy a 144 hz monitor but i am not willing to lay down an extra 200 $ for Gsync, and since a lot of my games run at around 60 fps i am a little worried that they might actually look worse on the 144 hz monitor (because of screen tearing etc...).
ty, i got the same question. the monitor i have a look at is the asus mg278q but i cant run freesinc (nvidia card) so i would just turn it off. But its to expensive to get a shittie picture for nor getting always 120-144fps.
another thing i ask myself , sould i realy go for an ips display? i want the colours but i dont know the difference between 1ms-4ms everyone saies something different xD
I have both the Dell S2716DGR and the Alienware AW2518H, both are G-Sync monitors, However the Dell branded panel is 27" 1440p 165hz and the Alienware branded one is 24.5" 1080p 240hz
Because the 240hz panel is smaller it is sharper than a 27" 1080p panel, overall I use the AW monitor most for gaming because it actually produces better colors than the 1440p panel
Better colors and overall smoothness to me are more important than a marginal increase in pixel density
Same here ✌🏼 Dell 24“ 👌🏼
The whole thing around the 5:17 mark is correct BUT YOU MISSED A HUGE DETAIL. Even CS:GO which has (afaik) the highest server tick rate in games (up to 128 ticks per second), the tick rate is nearly half the refresh rate of the monitor. This means that if you have a 240 hz monitor or even a 144 hz monitor AND are pushing that many frames per second, then you will be seeing information that DOES NOT EXIST according to the server. It will be even worse on games that only have 60 or 30 ticks per second like Overwatch and RB6 Siege.
Using the 60 ticks per second example with a 240 hz monitor:
You see someone move from point A to point D over the course of 4 frames. At point A, your monitor and the server are in sync, but after that, you are out of sync because you see someone reach point B which is your second frame, but the server still has an entire 2 more frames before it updates again. So if you shoot at someone between points A and D, you are shooting where the server doesn't recognize any players. If you haven't started shooting yet, it won't even update and start dealing damage to the player until he reaches point D, when the next tick occurs. If you are shooting the entire time, depending on the netcode, you may have to shoot where the player used to be (point A) where he is (between A and D) or where he will be (point D) in order to actually deal damage.
Clearly, there is no such problem when doing any sort of single player mode that isn't on a server, but this is a huge issue that can only be solved by increasing the tick rate of multiplayer servers, which is something that costs a ton of money and a ton of bandwidth for both the game and the players.
mjgamer13 you are technically correct but you have to consider that your computer will interpolate where your enemy is. This is also the reason why 32 tick Demos from Cs look so garbage because the interpolation isn’t that great at this low tickrate
Lucas Sanctus there is still rooms for improvement, most of the ping os not from the wire, is from the network server, if the hardwere performance get a lot better, we might get less than 50ping even you playing on a server on the other side of the earth.
Most games have Client side Hit registration though. Meaning, if you Hit someone at point b lets say, your PC will send that Hit information it created to the Server, and the Server will aplie that damage at The next tick.
Isn't game gonna wait for a tick before changing the position of objects in the game, so 240hz monitor would display 2 same frames when working with 120 ticks?
@@MrFrambooise I would imagine the game tries to predict where things will move and display it's predictions. Then if they disagree it will update everything with the new information. I'm just guessing, though.
Good explanation, thanks.
Best video iv seen that explained this topic.
4:22 LOL solution
Mouse settings > Additional Mouse Options > Pointer Options > Checkmark Display Pointer Trails
There ya go, now you have a 800hz monitor =D
Thats not how it works
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It's funny how people were saying that 30 to 60 frames per second don't really matter because muh gameplay and now that consoles are finally catching up to 21st century. Meanwhile 144hz is basically a standard for pc gaming nowdays while pushing it upwards to 200+ hz monitors.
SnapYoTestiezzz I highly doubt most people have 144hz monitors just saying.
i would say the standard is 1080p 60hz...... but varies depending on the person
I would say there is no standard.... sorry for the necro.
144hz standard? You got a rich daddy huh
trevor you cant play all the games at 144fps .. warhamer 2 total war for examle ..
how about going from 75hz to 240hz. im going to buy an alienware AW2518H, seems great. i have a gtx 1080 ti and an i5-8600k
well my gpu only push upto max 60FPS so i dont need more refresh rate display?
Yeah, you could buy one... but have you ever tried rice to upgrade your monitor?
Just Download 240hz POG?
i been playing counter strike for a few years i had no idea of most of the stuff you just cleared our for me thanks mate
3:40 "Enemy Lag" is just Round-Trip Time (RTT) for the sender to give a signal, then receive it back from everyone else in the lobby; it's worse on non-dedicated servers, like on many older consoles and older console games
An an FPS gamer, having a 2560x1440p 144hz @1ms is fantastic.
EUK007 question. in bf1 do you get screen tearing?
Screen tearing its very very seldom but screen stutter is more likely due to fps drop spikes. The fps drop is not the fault of the monitor nor your graphics card, blame EA/DICE for their buggy game.
EUK007 ok that's what I notice. I ran overwatch, division, and warframe and I had no trouble. thanks for the help. now I now it's an EA issue
If you get an fps drop spikes of 40fps or higher you will really feel the stutter and if I get 60fps drop or more while on a shootout, most probably i will die on that shooting engagements.
EUK007 I have a 1080 and when I disabled vsync I get screen tearing but when I enabled it I get low frame rate. I'm still new to pc so my kill death ratio is worst. I put the max fps to 120 and it seems to fix it. When I get home I'm gonna set it to 144 fps. in other games I leave the fps unlock and had no problem
Now that I have a 60hz monitor, I can never use my 30hz monitor again. It is for that reason that I will never use a 240hz monitor, because knowing me it will make a huge difference and I will be stuck buying expensive monitors for the rest of my existence. Oh woe is me
I use a 144Hz monitor for gaming, the whole setup is really low input lag (I'm that guy that only plays CSGO). On the other hand, I do all my uni work on a macbook that has A) a 60Hz display B) Vsync and C) horrendous mouse accel and to be honest, I can't tell the difference, because of the mouse accel, there are no visual accelerations fast enough to get to the limits of 60Hz.
Ogoun I used a 144hz panel for a while and had no problem of going back to 60hz.
It wasn't exactly a new monitor, it came bundled with a pre-built system for $400 in 2008
my old crt was 60hz and it was from 1994
lol I have a 75hz monitor with 12ms input lag thats 1280x1024 and retired a CRT that does 80+ hz.
Thanks for a different perspective. I always figured i was making up for game lag by aiming past the corner a bit, but screen lag could be why as well. It is hard to go back once you go forward. I've had 144hz for a while. Playing 60 drives me a little nuts. Resolution causes it too. I've only played at 1080p, so I'm not a 4k snob yet :-)
I currently have a 60hz monitor. Should I bother getting a 240hz display or 144hz? Mainly going to be used for gaming
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