You can do all of this and drive this at 65 miles an hour down the road yourself but God forbid somebody replace a chip on an iPhone board or a battery on a MacBook, safety and security of our children is at stake. Thank you for all the work that you do, and thank you for demonstrating that you can work on your own stuff, that this culture still exists in America, and that so many of the safety and security arguments that get used to keep people from working on their own property don't hold water
@@JerryRigEverything You called the insurance company and that's cool they had no issue about the conversion but I'd still get it on paper as an addition to your insurance papers just in case.
In Germany you would need a deep inspection to get it certified for the german roads. Its a good idea if you want to build a new car or rebuild it to get the TÜV involved from early on. So that you both are on the same page.
I dislike TÜV approval. I'm from Denmark, and it's insanity. You either show German TÜV approval papers or get it certified at our national institute ourselves. I can't legally EV swap any vehicle without spending ~20,000 USD/EUR (it's approx, so whatever currency works) on certifications. It's fair that I can't swap a 200 kW EV into an old Suzuki Wagon R+, but I wish I could swap a tiny 50 kW engine in to some old car and use it for grocery shopping. Hell, I can't even technically swap an engine from an 82 BHP Toyota into a 78 BHP Kia, because they are not built to be compatible and it would require re-certification. It just leads to more cars being trashed in a lot somewhere. I'm deadly scare of the US states where you can run a car forever with no inspections and EV swap a 20 year old humvee without them looking at it, BUT I'm also really admiring all the makers that can tinker their way to better and environmentally friendly cars. So many Yotubers making cool EV swaps. Meanwhile I can just go buy a new car and trash the old one in the name of compliance, even though I definitely have the skillset for an EV swap.
My work involves lots of CAN-related engineering, so a few tips if you're still having trouble: 1) Use twisted pair for cabling (ethernet cable works well for this) 2) Don't use a tree or star configuration, daisy-chain only! 3) Make sure the end of the daisy chain is terminated properly (120ohm resistor across CANH/CANL) 4) You need to make sure all devices share a common ground, while most vehicle devices will be grounded to the chassis it's definitely worth checking. If you don't follow those then you may well find the CAN network works, but it will likely have intermittent issues, especially with cabling going past a very noisy motor (both audibly and electrically!)
The systems sounds similar to modbus rs485. Have had issues before with having more than a certain amount of devices connected then having issues so would agree with the above comment
Absolutely concur with all of this. CAN is great and the protocol is designed to be noise resistant, but you can help it out a lot by using twisted pairs, and by impedance matching everything which means using cable with the right impedance (ethernet cable works great) and having no "Y" connections and terminating both ends.
We use pretty damn long CAN cables where I work and even require shielding as opposed to just twisted pairs. Most vehicles don't get that length of wire, or that amount of EMI, but hey, that's also an option.
10 bucks!!! You're looking at full certified engineering sign offs plus inspections at a bare minimum over here for electric conversions. I'd love to do an EV mighty boy one day and hope that I can get it on the road as smoothly haha. Such a sweet build.
Same here. Also they like rejecting engineering stuff (not dmv, but the people supposed to certify car modifications. experience from people trying to do conversions over 10 years ago. They could not certify that, even with engineers on team, said their conversion passes in Germany already, and planned to go there to get registered and then go back to register here, lol)
Why do people think its so cool to convert cars to EV. Do you know how many children slaves die every year now because of the increased demand for Lithium Ion batteries because of the EV market. Not to mention the energy it takes to destroy the batteries at end of life because you cant just bury them., They have to be incinerated in massive ovens at extremely high temps. EV's are a scam. At least until the figure out a better way to store energy that doesn't include massive battery packs. Maybe like hydrogen turbine so you make the energy onboard and don't have to store it.
I love that they changed the fuel type to electric, but left it as 8 cylinders. 🤣 Also, make sure your insurance company updated the assessed value of your Humvee!! You could not rebuild that for standard value.
Your insurance may be covering up to the value pre-conversion. This is probably fine if you only care about liability, but if you want a fair payout in an accident you'll probably need an "agreed value" insurance policy.
In the UK it would probably need to be what they call a Q plate car. A numberplate beginning with Q that is used for custom cars or cars which were previously written off in a crash and repaired. Those carry a higher insurance premium due to supposedly increased risk.
In the case of the insurance on this, I would definitely call and speak to someone who can verify that changing the Humvee this much doesnt change insurance, due to one major factor: The value of the vehicle. For example, say you're cruising down the road and someone T-Bones your Humvee and totals it because they weren't paying attention. Will the insurance offer you a payout at the price of the ORIGINAL equipment vehicle, meaning the diesel motor, transmission, etc, or would they offer you a payout based on what the vehicle has in it now? Because I would be willing to bet that the payout of the original equipment vehicle is signifcantly less than if they took into account all the electric equipment you just installed.
That's a good point. The coverage for _liability_ might be the same, because they decided he's not more likely to crash than before. However, if he has "full coverage," then he won't be able to get back enough to cover his time and energy. However, I personally think full coverage is a waste of good money. You'll pay in 5 years enough to buy a decent used car that'll run for 5 or more years.
@@jpaugh64 If he modified the brake system (which he probably did in some way) or other important security features and he crashes into something or someone could he still lose coverage for liability? Even if it was registered without inspection? Sounds pretty risky to be driving that heavy thing around potentially without proper insurance.
@@ahovda It is possible. Depending on the insurance. Having dealt with progressive in the past, I know they will try anything they can to pay the least amount of money possible. So I wouldnt be at all surprised if in the event that a crash or accident does happen, they void any claims due to the vehicle being "Heavily modified." My friend had a 2004 Mustang GT that he modified with 2 turbos and a few other performance mods, and at the time it only made 500 hp. Same scenario happened where he called insurance, told them "Hey, this is changed, do I have to worry about changing around my insurance?" to which they told him no, and lo and behold, about a year later Progressive declined his claims after his car was totaled in an accident, due to it being "heavily modified."
@@davidm8371 Wouldn't be hard. He's said in multiple videos that the external body is made of aluminum. And even the steel chassis is susceptible to bending. Most vehicles are highly overrated when it comes to just how well they would survive a collision. (Talking about the vehicle itself surviving, not the occupants, mind you.)
I'm both happy and sad at the same time to see the end of this project. From one side, I really like to see how it ends (all clean with maybe a lick of paint and organised cables), but on the other side, it's been such a great process and project, that I'd miss waiting for the next video and the next improvement.
US is a car enthusiasts dream... Here in Switzerland, any modification needs to be officially tested and certified to be safe. Widening a car body with wider rims already costs up to 20'000 USD. Next to a hummer being illegal from the start, a modification not even close to such an extend would be instantly denied.
@@sys-administrator because you have the high speed highway which makes sense. In other countries no one ever reaches their car's full speed so it doesnt matter
Weird how people invent things and then other people who don't invent things decide the things that were already invented are "approved" but continuing to invent any new thing is "illegal." Almost like there is a cult of unibombers that think technological advancement will end society, except they are the government and they're just following the laws.
Here (Singapore), it is outright illegal to change the propulsion of the vehicle to anything else, unless it is the same exact engine. The only one recent EV conversion that literally goes against this law was a public bus which had the MAN engine and drivetrain swapped for an electric one, but this was probably circumvented by sending that vehicle to Finland for Linkker to do the job.
You should take all those wires needed for programming and remote mount them all to a single panel in the glove box or something then label them. Then you can just sit in the passenger seat and program all of the systems at one location.
Typically, once everything is connected to the can bus you can simply use a can to USB converter and then address the can id of the device you want to program and then program it from there.
@@reversedon8698 well... There's an upside and a downside to everything. And all I can say is that safety checks should always be mandatory for vehicles. I'm gladly willing to pay for that knowing that most cars therefore can't be a massive hazard on the road
The DMV that you showed in your drone footage is my go-to location, I always have a good experience there. It's very organized and spacious, the wait is almost never more than 5 minutes, and all the staff are actually pretty nice. I've been to quite a few other DMVs, and they pale in comparison to this one!
It is possible, but would probably cost as much in parts as in certifications. The EU should really harmonize the regulation since in other EU countries the conversions can be much easier even when the basis of the regulation is the same (the EU).
@@alexanderdekeuyper2990 In Finland they recently changed the regulation (or rather the official intrepertation) so that you can use used / salvaged parts that are already approved as part of another EV. Before you had to EMC test the whole vehicle which cost at least 5000€ + possible retests. For cars before 1997 there are very little requirements. I imagine it should be similar in Germany (no need for EMC compatibility testing anyway)
in the rest of the world do you have to register it differently if you change a motor? I would have suspected like in the US they encourage EV conversion most places.
Depends on how large the local population is. I suspect a lot of the "DMV takes forever!" stuff is the product of Hollywood writers, who are living in the second-biggest city in the US _and_ it's a city where a lot more people drive everywhere than in New York or indeed most big cities. So of course it would be busy as hell 24/7.
Actually once the project is completed, you should do a drag race with ChrisFix's Duramax Diesel Hummer H1. It would be the ultimate Hummer Vs Hummer or also called as Hummer Vs Whisper
As a resident of New Hampshire, I can assure you you do not actually need insurance before you can drive on the road in the United States.... only 48 out of 50 states require it. (Virginia is the other one)
That "Headphone jack and USB cable" quote caused serious throwback vibes to putting games on my TI-83+ calculator in high school lol anyone else remember playing "Asteroids" instead of solving quadratics?
I was the only one who knew how to do it so I took all the basic games and rebranded them with my name and passed them around. 5 years later they were still being traded by the students of my school.
Man.... this is waaaay easier in the USA. Here (Serbia) I even had to take down my brand new exhaust, because it wasn't factory branded. It wasn't louder, or extreme, it was just another brand.... So had to put back the rusty factory exhaust. in order to registrate the car. Logic.
I'm starting to think you should route all the USB interfaces for each device to a single panel so you don't have to move all around to program each device.
@@solosailorsv8065 Weren't there two connectors on the devices, a usb (or serial port, depending on the component) and the 2-pin can bus? David was referring to the console port, and I kind of agree with him about that. Why use a tire as a seat or stand uncomfortably over the battery cells when there is already a seat or two built into the vehicle?
I check in here every so often to see how the project is coming along.. One thing that gets me every time is your voice.. its a very nice soothing voice that seems like it would be great for voice acting / advertising / radio talk show like things but the second thing is that it just doesnt seem like it comes from your body.. Your look and your voice just dont look like they match. Anyways I hope you take that as a compliment and keep on keeping on with your project man.. looks awesome!
My dad use to build trailers at home (like a few a year) I took one to the DMV for him to get it licensed (they put a metallic sticker on it with some sort of asset number). I asked the guy doing this what they look for to assure it's legal for road use and he said "We don't, if there is an issue the police or CHP (California Highway Patrol) will pull you over to tell you it's not" Basically DMV is these to assure you pay them to get it licensed and have nothing to do with legality (or at least that is what I got from talking to them).
In Italy i wouldn't even dare to get into the bureaucracy of a project like this, also because the main concern of the Italian DMV would be how to recalculate the car property tax, and I'm sure in no case it would become cheaper. This is one of the reasons why i enjoy this series so much. It's good to know somewhere in the world projects like this one are actually possible.
It is possible in all of EU - in some countries easier than in others. The important timeframes are with EU/EC regulation 1997 and 2002 with EMC-requirements. Cars older than that don't have this regulation apply - so conversions are easier.
@@rkan2 No shit its POSSIBLE in the EU. You just need to be rich to be able to afford it. In the US average people with average salaries can afford proper cars.
In Italy you can't do shit without a goverment agency harrassing you. This is why the whole country is so sad, everytime someone has an idea they have to go through a shit ton of legal bullshit to make it happen. This video shows the very reason why the us is at the top financially, they let you do what you want.
@@TheGiuse45 you're so right. In Italy something like this is simply impossibile. How could insurance calcolate the value of your car? Which engineer would take the risk of approving a car with extremely powerful batteries wired by a "random guy". Nobody. In Italy is just way too complicated but in some ways I understand. Imagine if the car catches on fire or the brakes doesn't work and that causes damages to other cars or people. Wich insurance company would take the risk of having to pay because the brake pedal wasn't wired properly or a connector wasn't crimped correctly? In Italy it's way too complicated but also putting a car like this on the road without even somebody checking it seems a little dangerous.
I feel like you should route all those USB cables together and have a very small computer with a touch screen somewhere in the vehicle. That way you can still make these changes on the road just stopped at a rest stop or something like that.
I would be interested in a follow up, including how much you like it, what you might do differently, general costs involved. I’m assuming you would do it again if asked. Also interested in final paint job and if you considered painting before installing all the components. Finally, interested in wire harnesses, especially near accelerator pedal and brake pedal. Really enjoyed watching. Great job!
So I asked around and a few of my acquaintances said that they're not too strict about electric conversions because it generally decreases/eliminates stuff that they look out for, like Noise, Emissions etc. and as long as there wasn't much done to decrease the integrity of the chassis they just let it pass easily.
Depending on the state they do a very thorough and deep investigation on every part of the vehicle and they even test drive it, it also depends on what all was done to the vehicle. For them they saw a vehicle that was previously registered and unfortunately they only see that you replace a diesel motor with an electric motor, it’s sad but it’s like they do the headlights way to the brakes work do all safety features work, but I hate to say that truck really didn’t have very many safety features in the first place lol
Zack, you are missing few problems you will run into. 1. Inspection. DMV did not inspect but Utah does require car inspection yearly for cars over 10 years old. Will you have an issue getting an inspection? According to receipt, the car is still registered as 1995. However, it could be just emissions inspect and not safety. Just look into it. 2. Car insurance doesn't care, NOW. They will care if there is ever a claim. You need to go well beyond just calling. You need to get this in writing.
They actually don’t care. The only modifications Progressive asks about are nitrous and modified frames. And safety inspections don’t care either. They’re just checking that your lights, horn, seatbelts, and brakes work and that there aren’t any massive rust holes in the frame. They don’t care about the drivetrain.
And for the insurance you might want to get a agent to come out to add to your aftermarket part of your insurance because in Most states that won't cover the aftermarket parts unless you add it to your insurance.
It’s legal and it’s quite awesome when you drive either on the road or off road, but it’s weird out when it takes a civilian plate from DMV on the army vehicles…(remember cops can’t check military vehicles unless MP show up)
Haven't worked on lot of Electric vehicles but I've worked on Comms, Bootloader and Diagnostic modules of legacy and hybrid vehicles. If you've had CAN-FD, then you could've changed the Baud rate to 2000 kbps. Luxury cars like Benz or BMW, etc., use Ethernet network which is faster.
In Australia you would be looking at a "mod plate", "engineering certificate" and "roadworthy" which can all together cost much upward of $1000-$2000aud. We have fairly strict vehicle standards and mod laws over here. It sucks. But on the other hand, our vehicles are probably safer than US cars. I have seen some pretty nasty death traps on the "just rolled in" TH-cam channel. 😳
US person here, It's illegal here to drive a vehicle that isn't deemed roadworthy but people do it anyways - the laws don't stop anyone. Most of the time it's idiots who won't bring their car into a shop because "the grinding noise isn't that loud". I'm sure the same thing happens in other countries. People who build their own cars here almost always do a good job, the one or two squatted trucks or 8ft suspension lifts are normally impounded the moment their caught.
@@jhkk1269 strange how just getting a mod plate for some illegal mods are then deemed safe 🤔. It's not always about safety over here, sometimes it's just about making money.
@@mmorgz6622 except they aren't then deemed safe. If the vehicle is inspected and found to be in violation of the ADR standards, even with the mod plate, the issuing location and the driver face fines and loss of licence. A mod plated vehicle still needs to meet the ADR for basic roadworthy functions.
i live in a town about an hour out of Melbourne and there is only one tesla charging station so like why have an ev. engine to loud = defect notice one brake light broken = defect notice wheels to low on tread = also defect notice
In Sweden we do mandatory safety checks of the vehicle every two years or so, depending on the cars age. They check lights, breaks and so on. If deemed unsafe for some reason it could at worst be made illegal to drive on public roads. Normally you get off with a "go to the shop and fix this" warning though. This is actually a pretty good system, since unsafe older vehicles are ether well maintained, or just not present on the road, at least not legally.
We had that in Utah (where Jerry lives) but the legislature cancelled the requirement a few year ago. We still have emissions testing every year (less frequently for new cars). Unfortunately, our air quality is still bad, especially in winter.
In Michigan you would have to bring it and a state cop inspects it and makes sure it has all the needed lights, seat belts, windshield, bumpers,etc and is safe to drive on the road. Basically not falling apart. And you can do it with homemade cars made from tube steel and elbow grease.
Cant wait to see him make his own PCM so he can control everything without having to talk to each module individually. it will be cool to see what he comes up with
This series is absolutely amazing, just finished binging the entire playlist and I can't wait to see how it pans out! I also wonder how much it cost to get to where you are... Is it cheaper to get an F150 Lightening?
The ease of the legality of projects like these are what keep my faith in the land of the free. The fact I could Mad Max my car and it can still be deemed road worthy is a wonderful thought. Graveyard car revivals are fun.
Here in Australia, with any vehicle which you want to register, you have to go through the RMS (Roads & Maritime Service) and if you done an engine conversion to say from petrol to diesel or diesel to petrol or even electric, not only do you have to go to rms to get the registration done but you have to take that vehicle to an engineer so that vehicle can be engineered and checked to make sure it’s safe for Australian roads, then once you’ve gotten the engineering certificate, you then have to take it to a mechanic for a blue slip, (another check to make sure everything is safe and in working order), then once you have done all of that you can then take all that information to the rms for your registration slip to be able to drive that vehicle on the roads, a bit more complicated and more steps but the end process is definitely worth it
Watching this series, and other series similar definitely have me wanting to convert an old vehicle to electric. I have some experience with batteries and inverters now that I've set up an off grid electrical system for my school bus to tiny home conversion. Crazy how interesting and cool it all is.
I feel like the DMV and the insurance companies have no idea how to handle what you're doing, because it is a new and rarely done thing, so they're just saying "Yeah, sure, you're good to go, I think..." lol Might take another decade for this stuff to get ironed out, maybe a few court cases too.
They wont care, this isn't new. Electric vehicles have been around as long as petrol vehicles have and people have been converting them back and forth for over a century.
@@goldrake821 Check out Eric Tischer's VW Passat from around 2007-2009. (he has great videos about it) It was basically his job application to work at Tesla, where he was working since 2012 engineering their powertrains ;) LFP batteries and a diy-inverter - very impressive for 2009 especially considering he only took a couple years to build it.
@@goldrake821 Most were lead acid.They had about 50 miles of range. One of my cars was originally converted 25 years ago. It was lead acid with a DC motor. Now it is an AC motor and lithium batteries.
For your vehicle to be legally on the road, it doesn't just need registered, it also needs to pass the MOT. The vehicle also needs to be insured. This is where the different skills come into play. MOT will make sure it's roadworthy and safe. Also please say you recorded that insurance call, sometimes they say one thing, but use it against you when you need their help. :)
If you change the physical structure of the vehicle then you would require inspection of the vehicle, changing the motors is no different than changing from diesel to gas. DOT needs to know 8f you have cut or redesigned the frame or vehicle structural integrity. This what ultimately makes the vehicle safe or not safe. Love your build and videos. 👍
Just a curiosity: in the registration paper you've shown, it still says "cyl 8" (8 cylinders). Did they made a mistake or they didn't really get that your humvee doesn't actually have any cylinders anymore?
Knowing the systems these places tend to use an educated guess would be that when they select 'Electric' the system hides the irrelevant engine fields without removing the data from them, then when the certificate is printed it just prints all the fields blindly.
I think you need to integrate A USB hub or usb port bank into the vehicle And have a centralized hook up area for the computer to program all of the modules and add a heater core to the cooling system so you have some heat in the winter.
I love your “Beast” as you call it! I call mine “Arctic Beast” and “Bertha” I got two… It is so cool what you did with Humvee. One ode the engine is not the best and I considered converting, but Cummins 6.5 TD with 6 speed Alison seems currently better option, or to say more accurately logically. Thank you for everything you do!!!
Can't wait to see our motor/controller system used to its full potential! Do you have any plans for cool ways to show-off the power of this Hummer once it's finished?
Usually electric cars have an advantage of spreading their mass uniformly by placing them under the floor. But for 4x4s, a huge hood makes sense, because you may wanna watch out for the water level and also the rocks that keep hitting the underbelly
Getting the center of mass as low as possible has a lot of other benefits, beyond mere uniformity. By moving the weight higher, he limits how many mph he can have while turning without flipping, and he limits the maximum turn angle he can use at any given speed. It also limits the maximum steepness of a hill that he can travel along sideways, etc.
Jerry, I have greatly enjoyed watching this project come to life. These videos have been some of my favorite videos in my feed. I look forward to seeing how this project comes to an end and I thank you for your great content. Keep up the good work!
In regards to the question of whether it should be a more complicated process or not, it's worth pointing out the amount of Mad Max-esque stuff that people do to their V8, rodded out nightmares they call muscle cars! Now if this was *Australia* I'm not sure you would've gotten away so easily! Their engineering inspections are insanely thorough.
I see that then look at the nugget cars of Dank pods and part of me questions how strict they really are as a very rough shape fiat niki was some how road worthy.
I've seen the rodshops killer B, I owned an American Holden and watched mighty car Mods, and ford Barra. Australia is more like America in this regard than any place except canada. and as I understand it smog stuff is less complicated.
I hope you see this. Humvees are notorious for leaking through the bottom especially in corners and seams. The bottom needs to be coated to prevent this.
for your insurance you need to verify you have it properly insured for the correct value of the vehicle in its current form not the original form. usually requires showing receipts and sometimes an actual appraisal.
I use SSH to my mobile phone to get into root. Pretty easy once you know how to do it, Setting up puTTY isn't always straight forward, but like anything else, do it a few times and your used to it.
I’m honestly contemplating ripping out my 6.5T and doing this conversion in my Skoolie. All that real estate on the roof for solar cells I might be able to be “self sufficient” over a couple days of charging up. So many options!
Sorry to burst your bubble.. The power generation of a roof of solar panels isn't a drop in the ocean that is an EV battery. (The Aptera guys have a system efficient enough it is barely not a gimmick)
It's good to know they don't give too much trouble to register it! I'd like to eventually do a swap at some point. Buying EVs new is just way too much money, and not a fan of all the electronics and internet connected and app based stuff.
i do agree there should be an inspection team. but not a hertal. meaning if there was a problem found there would be a notice of repair or replace. and UNKNOWEN would be deamed approved but needs review ./.. so a year or so they take a look and see what changes you made. maybe have a project vehicle category. allowing Dev and home projects. but still will qualify
In Brazil, you can easily register a car as a prototype as long as you don't build the chassis and safety equipment yourself. By safety equipment they listen that you have to use brand new aftermarket parts for brake, suspension, airbags (if the vehicle will have one), seatbelts and wheels. Is there such a thing in the US or you would be able to basically do anything you want with it?
If you want a detailed safety inspection, just visit a german TÜV with your humvee. I can guarantee you, that you would not believe how many different tests your vehicle would need to pass in order to get a registration for the drivetrain swap 😂
@@apexjailor9349 Whoa there buddy poison the well slippery slope strawmanatee much? Even the small mustache man didnt go from "I have a dream" to "Ze chambers" in a single night. No. First it began with the demonizing. The "bad people" were labeled as the cause and root of all the social ills, just like today. Eventually they were getting attacked, while the "good germans" espoused their virtue a la "caucasian power!". And eventually the "bad people" were driven out of their communities by unruly mobs. But none of it was at thehands of police and military yet. The followers were doing the cult thing themselves. There were, of course, slivers of truth over the "bad people", because they were the most likely to have wealth, to give out loans, to manage banking, etc. They were a successful people who become wealthy enough to become the "bad people who impoverish others and have J-privilege".
@@apexjailor9349 But the real issue is that the end of individual freedom to do as he or she wills, as long as there is no direct harm to other beings, is the beginning of fascism. It awlays is.
That is a great answer to Marques' and Andrew's skepticism towards your EV. I have always believed you had that covered very well before you began on the project! In any case, it is good to see you, Zack, doing amazing things we mortal humans only wish to do! :)
Not sure if you’ll see this, but once it’s finished, do you place on working on the cosmetic/aesthetics of the Hummer or just leave it as is? Which would still be cool, but was thinking maybe a refresh video could be cool. Either way, love the truck and the conversion videos have been very interesting.
You Americans are lucky af and should really appreciate your "car freedom" In Norway where I live, it is almost impossible to do modifications to cars because og our bureaucratic and strict laws. It almost feels like we are living in dictatorship when it comes to cars and fun stuff..... Fuel is currently costing upwards to 12 USD a gallon and 60% of it is tax.... And if that wasn't enough, almost every city has toll roads into the city and 1 passing cost 3-6 USD. Most motorways are also toll roads with more toll points evenly spread out with some distance. If you are unlucky with the road you have to drive, a one way trip to your cabin could cost as much as 100USD just in toll tax.....
It is just as possible in Norway as it is in the rest of the EU - probably just more expensive :D No reason to do them except in special cases since you get tax free EVs anyway lol
@@rkan2 I'm not a law expert, but it is really common to buy already modified cars from Sweden, UK etc. Because the strict laws in Norway makes it almost impossible. For some modifications it is even requierd that you would bring your car to Germany for a TUV inspection. So yes, it is not technically impossible, but for the average Joe it is impossible because of all the bureaucracy and the added cost involved. The tax free EVs are just cars with a value up to 60 000 USD, and a "cheap" usable EV still costs 35 000 USD to buy..... However this is just an excuse from the politicians, so they can justify their anti-car policy with enormes taxes Norway is not a EU member btw.
@@TheJensss AFAIK there is no import taxes or VAT on any EVs in Norway. While Norway is not an EU member - it still applies EU regulation about roads and cars just like any other EU country, using the EU law & degrees as the base.
@@rkan2 Sry, the change with the import tax got delayed to 1. january 2023 I think we use the EU rules as a base, but have more rules on top of that. The rules in Sweden are looser so I dont know. I tried to approve my old Volvo 940 1995 with larger brake calipers from a Volvo V70r 2010, and that was not possible because that exact caliper has not been approved to my car model. Now I just do what most people do, just give shit in those bureaucratic rules and drive without approval..... I have to put the car back to original before inspection every two years, so that is kinda unfortunate, but still better than driving around with bad brakes.
It's mostly billionaires bitching about "regulations" that force their companies to actually make products that don't kill people, ensure that their workers aren't going to fall into vats of acid and turn into the Joker, etc. You know, shit that costs money they'd rather spend on a ninth yacht.
Arguable, but inaccurate. At the point that he's reprogramming the components on the CAM bus, he's (potentially) foregoing lots of safety considerations. Only his skill, knowledge and guesswork prevent him from misconfiguring the various components. For example, in this episode he changed the max torque value with no discussion of how he decided the new value was safe. I am betting he did not do physics simulations to decide if it was safe. I am also sure that the manufacturer will have done those sort of simulations while choosing various values, simply because it's cheaper to get it right than to deal with tons of lawsuits.
@@jpaugh64 my point was not that the vehicle was safe. My point was that the frame construction (the metal box) was already deemed "safe" for other cars that collide with it. If another car ran into the hummer before or after the conversion the experience for the other car won't change. The regulations don't really care if you kill your self as long as you don't kill other people. As far as we know he didn't install giant spears in the frame so the frame is still "safe" to run into.
Hi! I recently watched superfastmatt, he's building an electric jaguar (awesome btw) Anywho he used dynamat to silence most of the steel panels and it helped tremendously. I think you should check it out, I bet they'd be down for a sponsor.
Personal suggestion I would group all the Communication cables to a singular point in the vehicle to make adjustments more accessable kinda like and OBD2 point
Will you be adding a power inverter to give yourself some 110 and 220 outlets? You’ve mentioned before that you have enough storage to power a house for three days. It would be sweet if you could use it to do that.
I didn't expect it to be that easy to make road legal, but since you "only" changed the power train, I think it's fair, considering the ammount of crazy contraptions that are, and probably shouldn't be, road legal. It has a little more power, but better tires (27 years of tire tech evolution, maybe?), close to the same weight and the same breaking capacity (which is poor, at best, I imagine), same handling... It's just as insecure as it was when it was diesel powered... A giant, heavy ,metalllic, square, utility, military truck... It only doesn't make it's own emissions. Great work Zack!
I can see, there will be a need for a lot of TH-cam tutorials on all this in the near future. The Whisper Project is so enticing, but makes engine/drivetrain swaps of yesteryear seem simple.
As somebody who has never done an engine or drivetrain swap but has worked on plenty of smaller scale electric motors/battery related stuff, this seems easier to me. I could be wrong as, well, I have never pulled an engine out of a car... But this just looks like a bigger scale of what I already do
You may want to run semi-permanent USB cables from things like the inverter, screen, vdu, etc to like the glovebox or something so you can reach the components with a laptop in the cab.
Thats what we have TÜV for in Germany. thex check EVERYTHING on your vehicle. Avery modification needs to be approved.. Which is a pain, but makes the vehicles overall much safer. And every 2 Sears they have to go through a general check again (3 years if the vehicle is new). Reminds me that mine needs a check next month.^^
You can do all of this and drive this at 65 miles an hour down the road yourself but God forbid somebody replace a chip on an iPhone board or a battery on a MacBook, safety and security of our children is at stake. Thank you for all the work that you do, and thank you for demonstrating that you can work on your own stuff, that this culture still exists in America, and that so many of the safety and security arguments that get used to keep people from working on their own property don't hold water
*80 miles per hour, but other than that spot on.
That shows you can't really completely own an appliance /gadgets once purchased,so 😔
how are right to repair laws so strong for cars and so weak for tech? so frustrating
@@JerryRigEverything You called the insurance company and that's cool they had no issue about the conversion but I'd still get it on paper as an addition to your insurance papers just in case.
don't know how law makers are so stupide to see thought this BS. Or are they stupide and nothing else is going on behind close doors..
In Germany you would need a deep inspection to get it certified for the german roads. Its a good idea if you want to build a new car or rebuild it to get the TÜV involved from early on. So that you both are on the same page.
Ist in Österreich leider auch so ja 😅 hier würde er wahrscheinlich keine Zulassung bekommen.
*both ;)
I dislike TÜV approval. I'm from Denmark, and it's insanity. You either show German TÜV approval papers or get it certified at our national institute ourselves.
I can't legally EV swap any vehicle without spending ~20,000 USD/EUR (it's approx, so whatever currency works) on certifications.
It's fair that I can't swap a 200 kW EV into an old Suzuki Wagon R+, but I wish I could swap a tiny 50 kW engine in to some old car and use it for grocery shopping.
Hell, I can't even technically swap an engine from an 82 BHP Toyota into a 78 BHP Kia, because they are not built to be compatible and it would require re-certification.
It just leads to more cars being trashed in a lot somewhere. I'm deadly scare of the US states where you can run a car forever with no inspections and EV swap a 20 year old humvee without them looking at it, BUT I'm also really admiring all the makers that can tinker their way to better and environmentally friendly cars. So many Yotubers making cool EV swaps.
Meanwhile I can just go buy a new car and trash the old one in the name of compliance, even though I definitely have the skillset for an EV swap.
I think all in all we'll be looking at close to 10k in total in Germany to get everything approved 😅
TÜV sagt nein
My work involves lots of CAN-related engineering, so a few tips if you're still having trouble:
1) Use twisted pair for cabling (ethernet cable works well for this)
2) Don't use a tree or star configuration, daisy-chain only!
3) Make sure the end of the daisy chain is terminated properly (120ohm resistor across CANH/CANL)
4) You need to make sure all devices share a common ground, while most vehicle devices will be grounded to the chassis it's definitely worth checking.
If you don't follow those then you may well find the CAN network works, but it will likely have intermittent issues, especially with cabling going past a very noisy motor (both audibly and electrically!)
The systems sounds similar to modbus rs485. Have had issues before with having more than a certain amount of devices connected then having issues so would agree with the above comment
@notacake Hey, could you elaborate on what you mean by "no star config, daisy chain only"
@@wuddadid the connections are all in series, like a train with only one line. Not a central station or loop system..
Absolutely concur with all of this. CAN is great and the protocol is designed to be noise resistant, but you can help it out a lot by using twisted pairs, and by impedance matching everything which means using cable with the right impedance (ethernet cable works great) and having no "Y" connections and terminating both ends.
We use pretty damn long CAN cables where I work and even require shielding as opposed to just twisted pairs. Most vehicles don't get that length of wire, or that amount of EMI, but hey, that's also an option.
10 bucks!!! You're looking at full certified engineering sign offs plus inspections at a bare minimum over here for electric conversions. I'd love to do an EV mighty boy one day and hope that I can get it on the road as smoothly haha. Such a sweet build.
Love the mighty boy, I’ve always wanted to do an electric Suzuki Cappuccino.
Same here. Also they like rejecting engineering stuff (not dmv, but the people supposed to certify car modifications. experience from people trying to do conversions over 10 years ago. They could not certify that, even with engineers on team, said their conversion passes in Germany already, and planned to go there to get registered and then go back to register here, lol)
@@Jonesy781 ooh. That will be an awesome build.
Why do people think its so cool to convert cars to EV. Do you know how many children slaves die every year now because of the increased demand for Lithium Ion batteries because of the EV market. Not to mention the energy it takes to destroy the batteries at end of life because you cant just bury them., They have to be incinerated in massive ovens at extremely high temps. EV's are a scam. At least until the figure out a better way to store energy that doesn't include massive battery packs. Maybe like hydrogen turbine so you make the energy onboard and don't have to store it.
Where is "here?"
I love that they changed the fuel type to electric, but left it as 8 cylinders. 🤣
Also, make sure your insurance company updated the assessed value of your Humvee!! You could not rebuild that for standard value.
Would be funny if theres actually 8 cylinders in there. Just hydraulic ones for opening something for example.
But you probably can't sell it for more. Insurance is typically for market value. Insurance that covers rebuild costs is a bit different.
@@Imaboss8ball Insurance is for what you choose to insure.
1:53 ah yes, the famous 8 cylinder electric HMMWV
Lol
Well, there could be 8 cylindrical shaped objects somewhere inside the engine bay. :)
Your insurance may be covering up to the value pre-conversion. This is probably fine if you only care about liability, but if you want a fair payout in an accident you'll probably need an "agreed value" insurance policy.
Absolutely - any additional coverage would likely be pretty expensive.
Its Utah, I'm sure the vehicle is only being insured for liability
The Humvee is probably going to come off better in an accident!
Was just about to comment this.
@@jacob476 liability is the important part anyways
In the UK it would probably need to be what they call a Q plate car. A numberplate beginning with Q that is used for custom cars or cars which were previously written off in a crash and repaired. Those carry a higher insurance premium due to supposedly increased risk.
Not quite. It's done on points. He's kept enough of the original vehicle to maintain.
It doesn’t apply to repaired cars just custom built cars with no history or vin number
Edd China made a sofa car, I think the UK is more free when it comes to cars
Omfooooo 😁
I don't believe they use Q plates anymore (running out of them), however insurance just has to be done through the right insurance
In the case of the insurance on this, I would definitely call and speak to someone who can verify that changing the Humvee this much doesnt change insurance, due to one major factor: The value of the vehicle. For example, say you're cruising down the road and someone T-Bones your Humvee and totals it because they weren't paying attention. Will the insurance offer you a payout at the price of the ORIGINAL equipment vehicle, meaning the diesel motor, transmission, etc, or would they offer you a payout based on what the vehicle has in it now? Because I would be willing to bet that the payout of the original equipment vehicle is signifcantly less than if they took into account all the electric equipment you just installed.
That's a good point. The coverage for _liability_ might be the same, because they decided he's not more likely to crash than before. However, if he has "full coverage," then he won't be able to get back enough to cover his time and energy.
However, I personally think full coverage is a waste of good money. You'll pay in 5 years enough to buy a decent used car that'll run for 5 or more years.
@@jpaugh64 If he modified the brake system (which he probably did in some way) or other important security features and he crashes into something or someone could he still lose coverage for liability? Even if it was registered without inspection? Sounds pretty risky to be driving that heavy thing around potentially without proper insurance.
@@ahovda It is possible. Depending on the insurance. Having dealt with progressive in the past, I know they will try anything they can to pay the least amount of money possible. So I wouldnt be at all surprised if in the event that a crash or accident does happen, they void any claims due to the vehicle being "Heavily modified." My friend had a 2004 Mustang GT that he modified with 2 turbos and a few other performance mods, and at the time it only made 500 hp. Same scenario happened where he called insurance, told them "Hey, this is changed, do I have to worry about changing around my insurance?" to which they told him no, and lo and behold, about a year later Progressive declined his claims after his car was totaled in an accident, due to it being "heavily modified."
Imagine totalling a HMMV with a car.
@@davidm8371 Wouldn't be hard. He's said in multiple videos that the external body is made of aluminum. And even the steel chassis is susceptible to bending. Most vehicles are highly overrated when it comes to just how well they would survive a collision. (Talking about the vehicle itself surviving, not the occupants, mind you.)
I'm both happy and sad at the same time to see the end of this project. From one side, I really like to see how it ends (all clean with maybe a lick of paint and organised cables), but on the other side, it's been such a great process and project, that I'd miss waiting for the next video and the next improvement.
US is a car enthusiasts dream... Here in Switzerland, any modification needs to be officially tested and certified to be safe. Widening a car body with wider rims already costs up to 20'000 USD. Next to a hummer being illegal from the start, a modification not even close to such an extend would be instantly denied.
Car enthusiast dream... unless you want to import a car which is younger than 20 something years
In Africa there aren’t any restrictions, because they have no cars.
in my country you cant even add a wing mirror to the side on the cars that don't have it from the factory 🤦♂
@@sys-administrator because you have the high speed highway which makes sense. In other countries no one ever reaches their car's full speed so it doesnt matter
Weird how people invent things and then other people who don't invent things decide the things that were already invented are "approved" but continuing to invent any new thing is "illegal." Almost like there is a cult of unibombers that think technological advancement will end society, except they are the government and they're just following the laws.
"We should know in a few minutes" I want to know what kind of wizardry you can do to make a visit at the DMV only take a few minutes
@Chabangarang Probably all the DMV people are his subscribers. LOL.
Utah has no minorities pretty much. If you understand what I mean.
Since you pronounce HMMWV as Humvee, why don't you pronounce DMV as Dumvee?
Take your upvote and get out.
Ok well now this is official for me.
This is some high quality comment.
Top 10 masterminds Albert Einstein was too afraid to confront.
🥂
For your cooling you should use evens waterless coolant .
It's a thin oil that wont conduct
That's actually quite interesting, thankyou for the heads up on that.
Here (Singapore), it is outright illegal to change the propulsion of the vehicle to anything else, unless it is the same exact engine.
The only one recent EV conversion that literally goes against this law was a public bus which had the MAN engine and drivetrain swapped for an electric one, but this was probably circumvented by sending that vehicle to Finland for Linkker to do the job.
You should take all those wires needed for programming and remote mount them all to a single panel in the glove box or something then label them. Then you can just sit in the passenger seat and program all of the systems at one location.
It would no longer be the passenger seat, but rather the programmers seat. lol..
Label them first and then move them ;)
Typically, once everything is connected to the can bus you can simply use a can to USB converter and then address the can id of the device you want to program and then program it from there.
Try that in Germany and there will be an endless battle with TÜV
yep in europe it is not going to happen that efficiently.
And endless money 😂
Hallihallo ihr lieben Deutsch:innen.
@@reversedon8698 well... There's an upside and a downside to everything.
And all I can say is that safety checks should always be mandatory for vehicles.
I'm gladly willing to pay for that knowing that most cars therefore can't be a massive hazard on the road
TÜV sagt nein
gotta love those 8cylinder electric motors 1:56
haha...
🤣
Taycan Turbo S type beat
That transition from your experiences to KiwiCo was so smooth... like really really smooth.
The DMV that you showed in your drone footage is my go-to location, I always have a good experience there.
It's very organized and spacious, the wait is almost never more than 5 minutes, and all the staff are actually pretty nice.
I've been to quite a few other DMVs, and they pale in comparison to this one!
Operating the car legally on German roads is probably the biggest challenge, and if you manage to do it, it would certainly be priceless.
It is possible, but would probably cost as much in parts as in certifications. The EU should really harmonize the regulation since in other EU countries the conversions can be much easier even when the basis of the regulation is the same (the EU).
@@alexanderdekeuyper2990 In Finland they recently changed the regulation (or rather the official intrepertation) so that you can use used / salvaged parts that are already approved as part of another EV. Before you had to EMC test the whole vehicle which cost at least 5000€ + possible retests. For cars before 1997 there are very little requirements. I imagine it should be similar in Germany (no need for EMC compatibility testing anyway)
Here in America... It's a diesel that's past 1997. You can do what ever the fuck you want with it. This is also going off of California law.
in the rest of the world do you have to register it differently if you change a motor? I would have suspected like in the US they encourage EV conversion most places.
@@heruhcanedean they'd be happy you swapped it.
"We should know IN A FEW MINUTES if the Hummer's gonna be legal"
Someone's oddly optimistic about DMV wait times.
it was already legal. he had a title
DMV here is pretty fast on things like registration. I've done one, re-title - 10 minutes-ish.
Depends on how large the local population is. I suspect a lot of the "DMV takes forever!" stuff is the product of Hollywood writers, who are living in the second-biggest city in the US _and_ it's a city where a lot more people drive everywhere than in New York or indeed most big cities. So of course it would be busy as hell 24/7.
Depending on the day and location I can be in and out of the DMV in under an hour.
Depends on where you live, DMV usually takes me 5 mins in and out as im in a small town.
Actually once the project is completed, you should do a drag race with ChrisFix's Duramax Diesel Hummer H1.
It would be the ultimate Hummer Vs Hummer
or also called as Hummer Vs Whisper
As a resident of New Hampshire, I can assure you you do not actually need insurance before you can drive on the road in the United States.... only 48 out of 50 states require it. (Virginia is the other one)
That "Headphone jack and USB cable" quote caused serious throwback vibes to putting games on my TI-83+ calculator in high school lol anyone else remember playing "Asteroids" instead of solving quadratics?
I was the only one who knew how to do it so I took all the basic games and rebranded them with my name and passed them around. 5 years later they were still being traded by the students of my school.
Man.... this is waaaay easier in the USA. Here (Serbia) I even had to take down my brand new exhaust, because it wasn't factory branded. It wasn't louder, or extreme, it was just another brand.... So had to put back the rusty factory exhaust. in order to registrate the car. Logic.
That is idiotic
Idk if every state in the USA is the same tho. At least where he lives in Utah, it's easy
@@MrE_ California is hell for car lovers lol.
Same is in Croatia. My aunt had stock from fabric little bit loud exhaust and she had to remove it because it was few decibals to high
Used to be a couple US states where if it rolls it was legal. The owner assumed personal risk.
I'm starting to think you should route all the USB interfaces for each device to a single panel so you don't have to move all around to program each device.
CAN bus, but yes; its a Project and will need frequent access for Tuning...which is FUN !!!
@@solosailorsv8065 Weren't there two connectors on the devices, a usb (or serial port, depending on the component) and the 2-pin can bus? David was referring to the console port, and I kind of agree with him about that. Why use a tire as a seat or stand uncomfortably over the battery cells when there is already a seat or two built into the vehicle?
@@mikes78 true that !
I check in here every so often to see how the project is coming along.. One thing that gets me every time is your voice.. its a very nice soothing voice that seems like it would be great for voice acting / advertising / radio talk show like things but the second thing is that it just doesnt seem like it comes from your body.. Your look and your voice just dont look like they match. Anyways I hope you take that as a compliment and keep on keeping on with your project man.. looks awesome!
My dad use to build trailers at home (like a few a year) I took one to the DMV for him to get it licensed (they put a metallic sticker on it with some sort of asset number). I asked the guy doing this what they look for to assure it's legal for road use and he said "We don't, if there is an issue the police or CHP (California Highway Patrol) will pull you over to tell you it's not" Basically DMV is these to assure you pay them to get it licensed and have nothing to do with legality (or at least that is what I got from talking to them).
Can't believe how I was smiling watching this. Getting the OK from the DMV was awesome! So happy for you!
In Italy i wouldn't even dare to get into the bureaucracy of a project like this, also because the main concern of the Italian DMV would be how to recalculate the car property tax, and I'm sure in no case it would become cheaper. This is one of the reasons why i enjoy this series so much. It's good to know somewhere in the world projects like this one are actually possible.
It is possible in all of EU - in some countries easier than in others. The important timeframes are with EU/EC regulation 1997 and 2002 with EMC-requirements. Cars older than that don't have this regulation apply - so conversions are easier.
@@rkan2 No shit its POSSIBLE in the EU. You just need to be rich to be able to afford it. In the US average people with average salaries can afford proper cars.
In Italy you can't do shit without a goverment agency harrassing you. This is why the whole country is so sad, everytime someone has an idea they have to go through a shit ton of legal bullshit to make it happen. This video shows the very reason why the us is at the top financially, they let you do what you want.
@@TheGiuse45 100% my friend, sadly but you're totally right
@@TheGiuse45 you're so right. In Italy something like this is simply impossibile. How could insurance calcolate the value of your car? Which engineer would take the risk of approving a car with extremely powerful batteries wired by a "random guy". Nobody. In Italy is just way too complicated but in some ways I understand. Imagine if the car catches on fire or the brakes doesn't work and that causes damages to other cars or people. Wich insurance company would take the risk of having to pay because the brake pedal wasn't wired properly or a connector wasn't crimped correctly? In Italy it's way too complicated but also putting a car like this on the road without even somebody checking it seems a little dangerous.
I feel like you should route all those USB cables together and have a very small computer with a touch screen somewhere in the vehicle. That way you can still make these changes on the road just stopped at a rest stop or something like that.
Thats what I thought - could also double as a entertainment centre.
Man, hearing that the title and insurance process was easy is such a refreshing feeling.
I would be interested in a follow up, including how much you like it, what you might do differently, general costs involved. I’m assuming you would do it again if asked.
Also interested in final paint job and if you considered painting before installing all the components. Finally, interested in wire harnesses, especially near accelerator pedal and brake pedal.
Really enjoyed watching. Great job!
So I asked around and a few of my acquaintances said that they're not too strict about electric conversions because it generally decreases/eliminates stuff that they look out for, like Noise, Emissions etc. and as long as there wasn't much done to decrease the integrity of the chassis they just let it pass easily.
Depending on the state they do a very thorough and deep investigation on every part of the vehicle and they even test drive it, it also depends on what all was done to the vehicle. For them they saw a vehicle that was previously registered and unfortunately they only see that you replace a diesel motor with an electric motor, it’s sad but it’s like they do the headlights way to the brakes work do all safety features work, but I hate to say that truck really didn’t have very many safety features in the first place lol
Well, that what the yearly state inspections are for…
it has a turret, how safe you want to be is up to you. 50 cal safe might be an issue
@@jamescameron9420 Most states not in the north east don't have inspections
*laughs in South Carolinian*
I’m ready for the $17.99 celebration!! 🎉
Yess
Ur videos are boring now
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Zack, you are missing few problems you will run into. 1. Inspection. DMV did not inspect but Utah does require car inspection yearly for cars over 10 years old. Will you have an issue getting an inspection? According to receipt, the car is still registered as 1995. However, it could be just emissions inspect and not safety. Just look into it. 2. Car insurance doesn't care, NOW. They will care if there is ever a claim. You need to go well beyond just calling. You need to get this in writing.
I'm sure they sent him confirmation via post or email after changing the insurance policy, don't need any more than that.
They actually don’t care. The only modifications Progressive asks about are nitrous and modified frames.
And safety inspections don’t care either. They’re just checking that your lights, horn, seatbelts, and brakes work and that there aren’t any massive rust holes in the frame. They don’t care about the drivetrain.
Getting a smog inspection certificate should start an interesting dialogue with dmv😂
Regarding robust CAN: A nice application report is available when you look for „Controller Area Network Physical Layer Requirements“.
And for the insurance you might want to get a agent to come out to add to your aftermarket part of your insurance because in Most states that won't cover the aftermarket parts unless you add it to your insurance.
This series is seriously addicting...
The best vehicles allow you to use their tires as a bench and a working surface lol. Great project and can't wait to see it 100% complete
Was looking for this exact comment!
That's what I do when I work on my humvee too
i legit can't wait for the next video haha. this is way better than anything on netflix right now lol
It’s legal and it’s quite awesome when you drive either on the road or off road, but it’s weird out when it takes a civilian plate from DMV on the army vehicles…(remember cops can’t check military vehicles unless MP show up)
Haven't worked on lot of Electric vehicles but I've worked on Comms, Bootloader and Diagnostic modules of legacy and hybrid vehicles. If you've had CAN-FD, then you could've changed the Baud rate to 2000 kbps. Luxury cars like Benz or BMW, etc., use Ethernet network which is faster.
In Australia you would be looking at a "mod plate", "engineering certificate" and "roadworthy" which can all together cost much upward of $1000-$2000aud.
We have fairly strict vehicle standards and mod laws over here. It sucks.
But on the other hand, our vehicles are probably safer than US cars. I have seen some pretty nasty death traps on the "just rolled in" TH-cam channel. 😳
The laws are in place for a reason i guess, keeping people safe
US person here, It's illegal here to drive a vehicle that isn't deemed roadworthy but people do it anyways - the laws don't stop anyone. Most of the time it's idiots who won't bring their car into a shop because "the grinding noise isn't that loud". I'm sure the same thing happens in other countries. People who build their own cars here almost always do a good job, the one or two squatted trucks or 8ft suspension lifts are normally impounded the moment their caught.
@@jhkk1269 strange how just getting a mod plate for some illegal mods are then deemed safe 🤔. It's not always about safety over here, sometimes it's just about making money.
@@mmorgz6622 except they aren't then deemed safe. If the vehicle is inspected and found to be in violation of the ADR standards, even with the mod plate, the issuing location and the driver face fines and loss of licence.
A mod plated vehicle still needs to meet the ADR for basic roadworthy functions.
i live in a town about an hour out of Melbourne and there is only one tesla charging station so like why have an ev.
engine to loud = defect notice
one brake light broken = defect notice
wheels to low on tread = also defect notice
In Sweden we do mandatory safety checks of the vehicle every two years or so, depending on the cars age. They check lights, breaks and so on. If deemed unsafe for some reason it could at worst be made illegal to drive on public roads. Normally you get off with a "go to the shop and fix this" warning though. This is actually a pretty good system, since unsafe older vehicles are ether well maintained, or just not present on the road, at least not legally.
Same in The Netherlands. Yearly inspection on cars more than 3 years old.
That's in all European countries as well.
We had that in Utah (where Jerry lives) but the legislature cancelled the requirement a few year ago. We still have emissions testing every year (less frequently for new cars). Unfortunately, our air quality is still bad, especially in winter.
Meh. Bet it costs a lot of money, and makes it harder to own a car.
Sounds like an unjust burden on poor people.
This project is awesome, this might be the future of these “classic” vehicles.
I am loving every bit of this series, good luck with the rest of the stuff.
In Michigan you would have to bring it and a state cop inspects it and makes sure it has all the needed lights, seat belts, windshield, bumpers,etc and is safe to drive on the road. Basically not falling apart.
And you can do it with homemade cars made from tube steel and elbow grease.
Cant wait to see him make his own PCM so he can control everything without having to talk to each module individually. it will be cool to see what he comes up with
This series is absolutely amazing, just finished binging the entire playlist and I can't wait to see how it pans out! I also wonder how much it cost to get to where you are... Is it cheaper to get an F150 Lightening?
The ease of the legality of projects like these are what keep my faith in the land of the free.
The fact I could Mad Max my car and it can still be deemed road worthy is a wonderful thought. Graveyard car revivals are fun.
@vbddfy euuyt cars in those yards aren't necessarily crashed. some we're just thrown out for one reason or another.
Here in Australia, with any vehicle which you want to register, you have to go through the RMS (Roads & Maritime Service) and if you done an engine conversion to say from petrol to diesel or diesel to petrol or even electric, not only do you have to go to rms to get the registration done but you have to take that vehicle to an engineer so that vehicle can be engineered and checked to make sure it’s safe for Australian roads, then once you’ve gotten the engineering certificate, you then have to take it to a mechanic for a blue slip, (another check to make sure everything is safe and in working order), then once you have done all of that you can then take all that information to the rms for your registration slip to be able to drive that vehicle on the roads, a bit more complicated and more steps but the end process is definitely worth it
It took me some time to understand what are dyno droplets but I got it once you mentioned the Sun. Enjoyed the video a lot, thanks ♥️
Watching this series, and other series similar definitely have me wanting to convert an old vehicle to electric. I have some experience with batteries and inverters now that I've set up an off grid electrical system for my school bus to tiny home conversion. Crazy how interesting and cool it all is.
can't wait until you take everything apart and give it a nice fresh coat of matte black paint
I feel like the DMV and the insurance companies have no idea how to handle what you're doing, because it is a new and rarely done thing, so they're just saying "Yeah, sure, you're good to go, I think..." lol Might take another decade for this stuff to get ironed out, maybe a few court cases too.
They wont care, this isn't new. Electric vehicles have been around as long as petrol vehicles have and people have been converting them back and forth for over a century.
Electric conversions have been a thing for a long time man.
@@snarkylive I'd like to know how did anyone make an electric vehicle 15 years ago, when batteries where nowhere near capable enough to support one...
@@goldrake821 Check out Eric Tischer's VW Passat from around 2007-2009. (he has great videos about it) It was basically his job application to work at Tesla, where he was working since 2012 engineering their powertrains ;) LFP batteries and a diy-inverter - very impressive for 2009 especially considering he only took a couple years to build it.
@@goldrake821 Most were lead acid.They had about 50 miles of range. One of my cars was originally converted 25 years ago. It was lead acid with a DC motor. Now it is an AC motor and lithium batteries.
One of the biggest questions I had when you started this project. Glad everything came together so smoothly in the end!
Best series on youtube, super hyped for this project to finish
For your vehicle to be legally on the road, it doesn't just need registered, it also needs to pass the MOT. The vehicle also needs to be insured. This is where the different skills come into play. MOT will make sure it's roadworthy and safe. Also please say you recorded that insurance call, sometimes they say one thing, but use it against you when you need their help. :)
This is in the us not the uk
Only some states in US have actual inspection. Most just do a emissions test, for which he would be exempt, because it's now electric.
If you change the physical structure of the vehicle then you would require inspection of the vehicle, changing the motors is no different than changing from diesel to gas. DOT needs to know 8f you have cut or redesigned the frame or vehicle structural integrity. This what ultimately makes the vehicle safe or not safe. Love your build and videos. 👍
I thought if you change the fuel as well the DOT might want to check the whole thing anyway? Just a thought.
Just a curiosity: in the registration paper you've shown, it still says "cyl 8" (8 cylinders). Did they made a mistake or they didn't really get that your humvee doesn't actually have any cylinders anymore?
Knowing the systems these places tend to use an educated guess would be that when they select 'Electric' the system hides the irrelevant engine fields without removing the data from them, then when the certificate is printed it just prints all the fields blindly.
I think you need to integrate A USB hub or usb port bank into the vehicle And have a centralized hook up area for the computer to program all of the modules and add a heater core to the cooling system so you have some heat in the winter.
I love your “Beast” as you call it!
I call mine “Arctic Beast” and “Bertha”
I got two…
It is so cool what you did with Humvee.
One ode the engine is not the best and I considered converting, but Cummins 6.5 TD with 6 speed Alison seems currently better option, or to say more accurately logically.
Thank you for everything you do!!!
Can't wait to see our motor/controller system used to its full potential! Do you have any plans for cool ways to show-off the power of this Hummer once it's finished?
I am so happy your project is finally done ✅ keep this kind of thrilling video up for US.
us or US?
It's not done!
Usually electric cars have an advantage of spreading their mass uniformly by placing them under the floor. But for 4x4s, a huge hood makes sense, because you may wanna watch out for the water level and also the rocks that keep hitting the underbelly
Getting the center of mass as low as possible has a lot of other benefits, beyond mere uniformity. By moving the weight higher, he limits how many mph he can have while turning without flipping, and he limits the maximum turn angle he can use at any given speed.
It also limits the maximum steepness of a hill that he can travel along sideways, etc.
i watched this entire series over the course of yesterday and today and i cant believe that this episode came out literally hours ago
Jerry, I have greatly enjoyed watching this project come to life. These videos have been some of my favorite videos in my feed. I look forward to seeing how this project comes to an end and I thank you for your great content. Keep up the good work!
In regards to the question of whether it should be a more complicated process or not, it's worth pointing out the amount of Mad Max-esque stuff that people do to their V8, rodded out nightmares they call muscle cars! Now if this was *Australia* I'm not sure you would've gotten away so easily! Their engineering inspections are insanely thorough.
I see that then look at the nugget cars of Dank pods and part of me questions how strict they really are as a very rough shape fiat niki was some how road worthy.
I've seen the rodshops killer B, I owned an American Holden and watched mighty car Mods, and ford Barra. Australia is more like America in this regard than any place except canada. and as I understand it smog stuff is less complicated.
I hope you see this. Humvees are notorious for leaking through the bottom especially in corners and seams. The bottom needs to be coated to prevent this.
for your insurance you need to verify you have it properly insured for the correct value of the vehicle in its current form not the original form. usually requires showing receipts and sometimes an actual appraisal.
Yes. Insurance needs to pay up if the truck gets destroyed
Great update, and nice to know its legal to drive or maybe tow stuff around town wtih. How neat!
I use SSH to my mobile phone to get into root. Pretty easy once you know how to do it, Setting up puTTY isn't always straight forward, but like anything else, do it a few times and your used to it.
I’m honestly contemplating ripping out my 6.5T and doing this conversion in my Skoolie. All that real estate on the roof for solar cells I might be able to be “self sufficient” over a couple days of charging up. So many options!
Sorry to burst your bubble.. The power generation of a roof of solar panels isn't a drop in the ocean that is an EV battery. (The Aptera guys have a system efficient enough it is barely not a gimmick)
It's good to know they don't give too much trouble to register it! I'd like to eventually do a swap at some point. Buying EVs new is just way too much money, and not a fan of all the electronics and internet connected and app based stuff.
We gonna need an whole episode for cleaning up that wiring
i do agree there should be an inspection team. but not a hertal. meaning if there was a problem found there would be a notice of repair or replace. and UNKNOWEN would be deamed approved but needs review ./.. so a year or so they take a look and see what changes you made. maybe have a project vehicle category. allowing Dev and home projects. but still will qualify
In Brazil, you can easily register a car as a prototype as long as you don't build the chassis and safety equipment yourself. By safety equipment they listen that you have to use brand new aftermarket parts for brake, suspension, airbags (if the vehicle will have one), seatbelts and wheels. Is there such a thing in the US or you would be able to basically do anything you want with it?
Fun fact about korean law around changing cars fuel type is that as far as your new motor makes higher hp, you are good to go lol
If you want a detailed safety inspection, just visit a german TÜV with your humvee. I can guarantee you, that you would not believe how many different tests your vehicle would need to pass in order to get a registration for the drivetrain swap 😂
Wow. seems we didnt actually exorcise fascism from germany after all. What a load of catch you next tuesdays.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 I mean, it’s a bit much to compare strict vehicle checks to the mass extermination of Jewish people in concentration camps
@@apexjailor9349 Whoa there buddy poison the well slippery slope strawmanatee much? Even the small mustache man didnt go from "I have a dream" to "Ze chambers" in a single night. No. First it began with the demonizing. The "bad people" were labeled as the cause and root of all the social ills, just like today. Eventually they were getting attacked, while the "good germans" espoused their virtue a la "caucasian power!". And eventually the "bad people" were driven out of their communities by unruly mobs. But none of it was at thehands of police and military yet. The followers were doing the cult thing themselves. There were, of course, slivers of truth over the "bad people", because they were the most likely to have wealth, to give out loans, to manage banking, etc. They were a successful people who become wealthy enough to become the "bad people who impoverish others and have J-privilege".
@@apexjailor9349 But the real issue is that the end of individual freedom to do as he or she wills, as long as there is no direct harm to other beings, is the beginning of fascism. It awlays is.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 not really related to the original outrageous comment you made though is it
That is a great answer to Marques' and Andrew's skepticism towards your EV. I have always believed you had that covered very well before you began on the project! In any case, it is good to see you, Zack, doing amazing things we mortal humans only wish to do! :)
I am watching the Electric Hummer project with curiosity and interest. It's also exciting to watch. Thank you and best regards.
Not sure if you’ll see this, but once it’s finished, do you place on working on the cosmetic/aesthetics of the Hummer or just leave it as is? Which would still be cool, but was thinking maybe a refresh video could be cool. Either way, love the truck and the conversion videos have been very interesting.
Curious minds want to know-
1.After finishing all the hardware jobs, will you paint the vehicle?
2. Will it be a 2 seated vehicle?
You Americans are lucky af and should really appreciate your "car freedom"
In Norway where I live, it is almost impossible to do modifications to cars because og our bureaucratic and strict laws. It almost feels like we are living in dictatorship when it comes to cars and fun stuff.....
Fuel is currently costing upwards to 12 USD a gallon and 60% of it is tax.... And if that wasn't enough, almost every city has toll roads into the city and 1 passing cost 3-6 USD. Most motorways are also toll roads with more toll points evenly spread out with some distance. If you are unlucky with the road you have to drive, a one way trip to your cabin could cost as much as 100USD just in toll tax.....
It is just as possible in Norway as it is in the rest of the EU - probably just more expensive :D No reason to do them except in special cases since you get tax free EVs anyway lol
@@rkan2 I'm not a law expert, but it is really common to buy already modified cars from Sweden, UK etc. Because the strict laws in Norway makes it almost impossible. For some modifications it is even requierd that you would bring your car to Germany for a TUV inspection. So yes, it is not technically impossible, but for the average Joe it is impossible because of all the bureaucracy and the added cost involved.
The tax free EVs are just cars with a value up to 60 000 USD, and a "cheap" usable EV still costs 35 000 USD to buy..... However this is just an excuse from the politicians, so they can justify their anti-car policy with enormes taxes
Norway is not a EU member btw.
@@TheJensss AFAIK there is no import taxes or VAT on any EVs in Norway. While Norway is not an EU member - it still applies EU regulation about roads and cars just like any other EU country, using the EU law & degrees as the base.
@@rkan2 Sry, the change with the import tax got delayed to 1. january 2023
I think we use the EU rules as a base, but have more rules on top of that. The rules in Sweden are looser so I dont know.
I tried to approve my old Volvo 940 1995 with larger brake calipers from a Volvo V70r 2010, and that was not possible because that exact caliper has not been approved to my car model. Now I just do what most people do, just give shit in those bureaucratic rules and drive without approval..... I have to put the car back to original before inspection every two years, so that is kinda unfortunate, but still better than driving around with bad brakes.
Sounds like California
I'm actually shocked that it was that easy given the amount of over the top regulations around the country
Depends on which part of the country. Regulation-heavy policies are associated with left-leaning politicians.
It's mostly billionaires bitching about "regulations" that force their companies to actually make products that don't kill people, ensure that their workers aren't going to fall into vats of acid and turn into the Joker, etc. You know, shit that costs money they'd rather spend on a ninth yacht.
thank you for education I'm happy you finished the project
Fortunately here in Utah the DMV is really easy and straightforward to work with. Not so in some of the other states I've lived in over the years.
Just apply some 100-MPH tape on it and it will be golden!
As long as the frame of the vehicle hasn't changed arguably the safety hasn't changed from the perspective of other vehicles.
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Arguable, but inaccurate. At the point that he's reprogramming the components on the CAM bus, he's (potentially) foregoing lots of safety considerations.
Only his skill, knowledge and guesswork prevent him from misconfiguring the various components. For example, in this episode he changed the max torque value with no discussion of how he decided the new value was safe. I am betting he did not do physics simulations to decide if it was safe. I am also sure that the manufacturer will have done those sort of simulations while choosing various values, simply because it's cheaper to get it right than to deal with tons of lawsuits.
@@jpaugh64 my point was not that the vehicle was safe. My point was that the frame construction (the metal box) was already deemed "safe" for other cars that collide with it. If another car ran into the hummer before or after the conversion the experience for the other car won't change. The regulations don't really care if you kill your self as long as you don't kill other people. As far as we know he didn't install
giant spears in the frame so the frame is still "safe" to run into.
Hi! I recently watched superfastmatt, he's building an electric jaguar (awesome btw)
Anywho he used dynamat to silence most of the steel panels and it helped tremendously. I think you should check it out, I bet they'd be down for a sponsor.
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Personal suggestion I would group all the Communication cables to a singular point in the vehicle to make adjustments more accessable kinda like and OBD2 point
Will you be adding a power inverter to give yourself some 110 and 220 outlets? You’ve mentioned before that you have enough storage to power a house for three days. It would be sweet if you could use it to do that.
I didn't expect it to be that easy to make road legal, but since you "only" changed the power train, I think it's fair, considering the ammount of crazy contraptions that are, and probably shouldn't be, road legal. It has a little more power, but better tires (27 years of tire tech evolution, maybe?), close to the same weight and the same breaking capacity (which is poor, at best, I imagine), same handling... It's just as insecure as it was when it was diesel powered... A giant, heavy ,metalllic, square, utility, military truck... It only doesn't make it's own emissions. Great work Zack!
I’m currently waiting in a DMV as I watch this 😂
Update: Just went up to the door and it turns out they’re closed today 🤷🏻♂️
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@@devnol F indeed
I can see, there will be a need for a lot of TH-cam tutorials on all this in the near future.
The Whisper Project is so enticing, but makes engine/drivetrain swaps of yesteryear seem simple.
As somebody who has never done an engine or drivetrain swap but has worked on plenty of smaller scale electric motors/battery related stuff, this seems easier to me.
I could be wrong as, well, I have never pulled an engine out of a car... But this just looks like a bigger scale of what I already do
@@FAB1150 Good point. I guess it all depends on where your talents or training and experience are.
You may want to run semi-permanent USB cables from things like the inverter, screen, vdu, etc to like the glovebox or something so you can reach the components with a laptop in the cab.
Thats what we have TÜV for in Germany. thex check EVERYTHING on your vehicle. Avery modification needs to be approved.. Which is a pain, but makes the vehicles overall much safer. And every 2 Sears they have to go through a general check again (3 years if the vehicle is new).
Reminds me that mine needs a check next month.^^