Declassified: Ferrari 360 & Challenge Stradale (1999 - 2004) - How Expensive Is It To Own?
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Today on Declassified - the Ferrari 360. Introduced in 1999 to replace the gorgeous and much loved F355, the 360 was a radical departure for the firm. It featured an all-new aluminium chassis, a new styling language and an increased focus on making their cars more usable. Today it is one of the cheapest Ferraris on the market - but just so happens to be one of the best. In this guide I'll talk you through some of the things you need to be aware of to get the best from 360 ownership.
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Chapter Listing
00:00 - Introduction
02:20 - 360 Model History & Overview
04:27 - Engine
05:42 - Interior
08:20 - Usability
10:12 - F1 Gearbox
11:18 - What To Pay
11:39 - The Forgotten 360 "GTS"
13:05 - Rare Options
13:34 - Challenge Stradale
16:17 - Maintenance Costs
18:52 - Common Failures
22:32 - Where to Service It
24:09 - Bodywork
24:47 - Is an Inspection Necessary?
25:18 - Sticky Switches
25:52 - Spider Roof
26:05 - Low Mileage Cars
28:29 - Alternatives & Conclusion - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Please cover the Lamborghini murcielago roadster...
@@jaysimons8645 i’m sure he will once he gets the chance
16:30 -- Well, if a Ferrari is "cheap" why would I want one? I value quality. Better to buy a more _affordable_ Porsche than get a "cheap" suit. 🙄
@29:39 -- AHA! So you DO know the difference, eh? 🤣
@@MisterMonsieur of course. Me done English before
When a 360 is talked about as a classic, I am forcibly reminded how old I am. 😂
I still think 1990 is 10 years ago and lust after a Testarossa and a 1967 yellow Dino.
Maybe one day 🤞
Yep, time is a trap from which none can escape.
I hear you. I'd already had three cars stolen from me before James was born.
I know. I can’t believe that the Stone Roses debut album is 35 years old.
Back then, we had The Las to look forward to & then Oasis / Blur, if that’s your thing.
I would go back and do it all again in a heartbeat ❤😎
Though I’d pass on the diabolical Blair second time around😮
The phrase "Timeless design" gets thrown about a lot in the car world, but when a design that was launched in 1999 still looks drop-dead gorgeous in 2023, then it is definitely worthy of being called Timeless.
A very accurate review of what has been an underrated Ferrari. I've owned mine for 10 years now and it still is a special feeling when driving. Very comfortable to drive and the manual gearstick is a joy to use. As the modern models get more and more complex in design, these have such flowing lines. My previous car was a Lotus Esprit so I know where you're coming from in the comparison and like you, the new Lotus Emira is something I would look at in the future when I come to replace the 360 (not quite yet though !).
Lucky boy. 😃
Did you have the V8 Esprit?
@@nightowl1659 I had a v8....but it was the vegetable juice. Does that count?😁
Don't. Don't replace it, especially with that pile of Chinese crap.
Emira is a downgrade it’s not even better than the car it’s supposed to replace, if you want a Lotus the Evora GT is better.
A great review, I have had 5 over the years, currently owning a 2001 Spider and 2004 Stradale. The owning and running costs have not been astronomical, if I had one bit of advice is to get any bits done on the car and not leave it as it can cause more issues! I have driven 40-50 k miles across continents on both cars they have been superb and don’t be scared to buy a higher mileage car as one very low mileage I purchased many years ago had numerous issues. They do in my eyes look better than the later 430, which does surprisingly have many more issues. Cambelt change and servicing at independents or dealers is not as costly as many would think. Drive wise the manual is great but so is the f1 if you upgrade the ecu to stradale spec. They are not as sophisticated as the later 430 or 458 but the noise I get from my stradale on full chat is simply amazing. 👍
I picked one of these up last year, deliberately a slightly higher mileage example to avoid a car that had sat for ages. Prices didn't seem to have risen as much as other sports cars over the pandemic.
Thoroughly enjoying it so far - it's a good blend of old and new and to my eyes a far more graceful shape than the aggressively-styled F430.
they were 60k in US pre-pandemic but over 100k now
The price range is wide, but there are plenty available under $100k. They start around $60k.
Jay my motto is if you want a high end car let’s say 40k always have half amount 20k to keep it. Anything goes wrong at least you have the budget behind you.
Yeah that works for 10k cars that too, have 5k ready to do the belts, chains, clutch, shocks, tyres, discs pads and calipers and a service. That way an old car will drive like new.
Showing myself as ‘busy’ at work…time to watch.
I think this is one of your best videos. Factual, engaging and well presented. So good!
Great work Mr
JayEmm. As an owner who is almost three years and £22k in maintenance (which in fairness includes consumables like brakes and tyres) into his 360 spider (with no regrets) I think it’s a very accurate summary.
So far I’ve done:
- fuel pumps
- steering rack rebuild
- soft top elastics and microswitch
- pads and discs all round
- PS4s x 4
- annual service * 3 (last one inc cambelt)
- driver’s window regulator
- air con compressor
- sundry bits and pieces like bumper paint touch ups, sticky interior trim and probably some other stuff I’ve forgotten
Not sure about the parts availability point though. ECUs for example run £7k a pair (if you can find them and you need to replace them in pairs).
A lot of the buyers guides from the mainstream mags on these cars suggesting £2k a year maintenance are out of date now these cars are 20+ years old. If you can stomach the maintenance costs then crack on, they are a very special thing (and they don’t really seem to be depreciating anymore).
A few notes..
As an American I absolutely love the fact that the Lotus has a S/C Camry V6. The old V6 slapped in an MR2 is amazing.
Ironic how the NSX has retained and gained so much value vs it’s competition.
Annnnnd I value your videos far more than Ferrari’s LOL
A 360 is the only Ferrari that I've driven, briefly on the small slivertone stow circuit.
400 HP still feels rather brisk.
Great to hear you mention the sunroof option. I love having it on my car and most people either have never seen it before or don’t believe me when I say it was a factory option.
Thanks J, very concise & informative! Great to see & hear one on the road to! 🙏🙏
I never had Ferrari on my radar until I started shopping a replacement for beloved '06 Vantage. I went and checked out the car. My expectation were low... But It was striking in person. Pictures don't do it justice.
Bought it for a price I couldn't say "no" to, but was still on the fence. After having it for a few months, I love the thing. Definitely a keeper. I really enjoy the quirkiness of it.
Easy to work on, parts are reasonably priced, if you know where to look. Solid 8.5/10 car.
This was the best buyer's guide by far for the 360. Thank you.
Excellent coverage of the 360 James, great detail and backstory coverage! At the end was thinking NSX (manual) as an option but mentioning the Emira was a (welcome) curve ball with ours coming to our channel in a few weeks.
Great stuff!
A fine episode, James.
Thanks for posting!
FANTASTIC video James! Thoroughly enjoyed it! Very thorough and informative. Made a F360 sound like a no brainer! The clock looks like the same item found in overhead consoles of Mk1 Fiat Puntos. Keep up the great content!
Excellent breakdown, throughly enjoy the video, one of your best, James is truly in his prime.
Excellent, informative video. I usually like the feel of how it might drive, but this in-depth info was also much needed.
Congrats on one the most detailed review I’ve seen for a long time. As a fan of your channel, I’ve watched a lot of videos and always appreciate your direct impressions. Look forward to more, I’d love to see something on the Mustang.
Thank you Jay to give a very thoughtful reviews about 360!
Marvelous video, James! Love the comprehensive look at all the tidbits, with some entertaining facts thrown in. I'm still a bit lost as to why people did not choose the sunroof option seeing as the GTS version of the F355 was hugely popular. I would've gone for that option cause I do love sunroofs, but then of course, I didn't have the means to buy one new nor was anywhere near the driving age. I was however, a little child, and this was one of the Ferraris I grew up with. To me, the 360 always felt a bit more exotic than anything in its class at the time and I've loved the looks since the beginning - it was always a pretty car in my eyes, and I'm glad that people have finally started to appreciate the softer, more graceful design compared to the 355 or F430.
Regarding the cambelt change, you say thats the most italian thing, but in fairness the Germans did the same thing with the 986 Boxster of the time, because it just makes sense. Also for more DIY mechanics makes ownership that bit more cheaper as you can do the cambelt on your driveway
Eh ? Tried doing any engine work on a 986 without proper ramps and dollies?
@@neilturner6749 short of seals or rebuild, most engine work is easily done without dropping the engine
The prices of exotic cars in the UK are incredibly low.
In Australia the prices are double, $160k plus for a Ferrari 360, or £100k.
F430s are going for twice that much again!
Leave then. Australia is a shit hole anyways now.
Great video James! Collecting Cars did a similarly excellent job on 360 ownership / buying advice recently as well for those lucky enough to be hunting one of these awesome cars. F430 declassification next please!
Jay? I gotta say mate?. I personally find you loads more entertaining than someone like Doug Demuro...
You're like someone I could see blabbing at the pub with, and being very real about car culture...no pretense.
I surely enjoy your channel my man...cheers and best to you!
Can't stand Demuro..that stupid American humor
I skip his videos
Great Video. You really cover all important aspects. 👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻😊
Wash your drying towels after using sealent or leave them submerged in water. Little pro tip will save you replacing drying towels that repel water as they are laced with sealent ;)
Great review, many thanks Jay!
Just came off your 1970s french face-off from 4 years ago, enjoyed it and hope you can do more quirky face-offs in the future!
Enjoying this declassified series, not in the market for these cars but I'd imagine those who are will find them very useful
Jay, I love your videos as much as Harry’s.
I find yours more informative and it’s much appreciated, because what I know about Ferraris can be written on a Post-It note.
Harry’s tend to have a more technical and driving at the extremes bias, and together, we’re fortunate to have really good coverage.
You earned a new sub (after years of watching your videos), i don't usually sub to channels, yours is only the fifth one...
I share a lot of views on cars with you especially enjoyed the few electric car video rants/criticisms.
hands down one of the best review/buyer's guide/collectibility/history/alternative purchase guide to the 360, all combined into 30+ minutes. As someone with multiple ferraris for years, this guy is not BSing around like other shallow youtubers. It's too bad ferrari dealers in America are crap, that's why none of us send it to the official dealers, as they seem perfectly happy just doing warranty work on new cars and selling service plans at 200% the price and not bother to stay competitive with independents
Would love a declassified on the ferrari california. I'm torn between 2 or 3 car garage. Especially now my new job has an EV car scheme. Very happy to do miles in any car
I remember not being overly enthusiastic about the styling when it first came out... and then it grew on me to the point where I had the image at 12:44 as my desktop background for a long time. This car really does look stunning in silver, and as a convertible - not necessarily true for all Ferraris.
Having owned one I’d say this guy is about 20% correct in possible isssues. I don’t appreciate his input because this is a car that has very few issues I’ve had bmw with way more problems and he is making this car seems like it has many issues. It’s a wonderful car absolutely wonderful
The side profile of these cars really is beautiful. And that rear end is classic Ferrari. Of every Ferrari made since 2000, the 360 in my eyes, looks more like a quintessential Ferrari than any of the others.
Yes but those headlights shudder
@@stallion427 I prefer them to the f430's which look really small. Then there is the 612 with it's praying mantis headlights.
@@stallion427 they look good tinted especially a black one though I know many wont agree
@@johnmitchell2269I actually like the 612’s headlights, they were the perfect shape for that car but I wouldn’t compare it to the 360 as they had completely different design parameters so it’s unfair to the 612, instead I would make the same comparison you did with the 360 & 430 in regards to the 612 & 599, I believe they made the headlights too small on the 599, the 430 & the 599 is when Ferrari really began to over-style their cars and it’s been gradually getting worse since then, the 360 & 612 both had a simple elegance probably my 2 favorite Ferrari’s of all time.
Thanks, excellent video. You do the research and it shows. I want one. Beautiful car.
Best review format I've seen. Bravo !
Would love you to review a Fiat Dino Coupe 2400...
These videos really are incredible.
Thankyou Jay...appreciate enthusiasts with integrity.
Sam STG spent £20k on servicing his 360 over 25k miles, so £0.80 pence per mile. That’s not including tyres, insurance, petrol etc. And that’s all routine maintenance, without any engine or gearbox failures. By the time you add on other normal running costs (petrol, insurance etc), plus any depreciation, and you’re well over £1 a mile.
As an owner, I reckon you’re about right there.
Depreciation ? 😅
Great video sir!
Always liked this car. For me it has aged very well! Still think it looks superb!
Damn...I'm a brokeboy, but for a minute James had me thinking even I could afford one of these🤣🤣🤣 Great review!
Great video!!!
Awesome video, thanks!
Totally agree with you about considering using main dealers re: specialist garages. I hasten to add that I've never been in the enviable position to own a thoroughbred sports car. I learned this hard lesson when I ran a Chrysler Grand Voyager as a 7 seater taxi. Absolutely excellent levels of luxury (for the time) but really not suited to the brtitish roads. This car became a money pit needing loads of regular maintenance, that could have been reduced drastically had I use a main dealer with OEM parts. e,g, a set of Mintex brake pads would last maybe 5,000 miles, and discs would need replacing every second set, whereas OEM discs and pads cost about twice as much but the pads would last 10,000 miles without any discernable wear on the discs. I guess the saying 'you get what you pay for' has always been quite true.
Thanks for an informative and entertaining review. I absolutely love my 360 and am very glad I bought it. I used to have an Esprit but as you say, the 360 knocks the spots off it.
When these came out I did not really like them. But now, they look amazing, aged really well. I follow Sam of Seen through glass with his.
Can’t decide whether I like the intro or outro the best. Intro suggests a new video is launching which is great but the outro is such a nostalgic little tune.
The glass engine display case was always my favorite feature of these.
James enthusiastically spruiking the F360.. he does a great job in running through the pros and cons of this now modern classic. Almost enough to make me want one. But then I have a 575M with a V12... and it's so much better as an everyday day car. Tremendous on the twisty stuff too.
Gallardo has a V10 and that is an appeal all it's own
Would enjoy a video about one of those trucks[lorries?] that transport super cars, and their drivers. Seems like an interesting job!
Informative and useful.430 next?
Very good Video! I would love to see a Ferrari 612 next!
Great review as always and a lovely car, thank you!
When are you reviewing the E46 M3 CSL please?
One of the last nice BMWs...
Hi Jay! I really enjoy your work. I would love to see a declassified video on the 2005 to 2008 Lamborghini Gallardo. From what I understand the 2004 model wasn’t fully sorted. 2009 and newer Gallardo’s are just too expensive. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Drove one of these once. I promise you my 2006 Focus was not only a lot more comfortable, but also handled better
At 7:12 you can see the mirror adjuster-switches which are the same as in a 90ies Audi (Cabriolet for example).
As @ichiban says the videos could be even better, yes they are very good, if you slowed down a little bit. Keep up the good work. PS: I much prefer the 360 over the 355, but without the challenge grill, please.
Brilliant!!! The 360 Modena goes on my List!!!
Thank you for another highly interesting video, this being the only supercar I would consider buying.
May I ask for a "declassified" video on the Maserati 3200 and / or 4200? Thank you
Blimey James! You must have ragged that 360 hard as in the drive bys all that yellow paint was stripped back to bare metal!
I could just watch and listen to someone just Potter around country lanes all day in a 360!😊
Love how the 360 looks
I have a manual 430. I never was a fan of the F1. The only issue for me is the maintenance. The yearly fluid change. Last month I had to change the fuel pumps. This month the tire sensors have to be change out. In the states a good manual 360 goes for $120,000-140,000 on Bat. Both the 360 and 430 have a very comfortable ride. My friend had a 964 and that car bounced over every bump on the road.
I’d say, that’s what makes the lotus emira so salivating. Ferrari good looks with none of the drawbacks!
There is also a manual hood release pull handle under the dash similar to other cars. A lot of non owners don’t know about it
Great video! Also did you say 'your Boxster' ..?
Great cars. I had a blue one 2006 only 15,000 miles manual .Verdi Ferrari use to service for me
Had a close up look at a Lotus Emira yesterday, and I was really impressed. The styling is magnificent, and the interior a marked improvement over Lotus of old. I'd say it's every bit a supercar, and just as well put together as a Porsche, especially in interior quality. The gear change too is glorious, just like an early MX5. I'd choose the Lotus over the 360 any day of the week. It's absolutely brilliant, and a terrific swan song as the last internal combustion engined car Lotus will ever make.
No it’s not on Porsche’s level, you found a nice example but there’s still quality control issues some of their gearbox’s don’t feel like they should, some already have rattling interiors, warped leather, stitching coming undone, and faulty electronics turning on and off. The 360 is not perfect either put at least it’s a real supercar with a proper V8 not some wannabe with a Toyota Camry engine.
I love how concise James is with this ownership experience series. I'm poor as all hell, but now I am tempted.
Also, I would not be surprised if you suddenly pulled the trigger and got an Emira.
Nice review as usual now - an alternative you didn’t mention is the F355 …. You are spot on with the Emira though, possibly the one to get if you were sensible (and not living in France)
I’ll stick to the F355 though, in my eyes way prettier
Excellent video James . I still prefer a F430 with a manual gearbox.
Well yeah thats the ultimate but 360 is a lot more affordable
Interesting video 🚗🚙🚘⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍👍
I dont own a Ferrari, and dont suppose i ever will, however i found my self watching and listening to the whole video
Very interesting review.
Totally agree with the comments made I have manual 360 Giallo Spider always been my favourite looking car, plus only 3 in the UK so you won't see another unlike 4500 Emiras in each county
great guy!
I hope you have a F355 version of this in the works. 😀
Next please - F430 and 430 Scuderia. Return to the Chain driven engine style of the 246 Dino! Very different engine to the 360.
I would take your F360 over any modern sports car indeed. The modern stuff is too complicated with all their electronics, which makes them less reliable. Thank you for showing us your beauty.
The challenge is pretty and it sounds like angels screaming ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
This was by far my favorite "achievable Ferrari". When I was in my early 20's I was saving up to buy one of these. Instead I bought a WRX, and put a down payment on a house. Growing up sucks 😂
Your videos convinced me to get a Maserati gt, time to be sold and convinced a 360 is next. Lord help my bank account
Had the Maserati been reliable?
@@sleepeatdrive7619yes.
Mention some 360 Modena options that could possibly be leftovers directly transferred to the CS? Except the racing muffer and racing belts?
Not in 100% agreement ref Ferrari maintenance program. My California T (was) under warranty cover and maintenance pack. Not an insignificant £4000 a year fee. Had it in for annual service at Xmas and to be honest Maranello just tried to take the piss. Left with them for 2 weeks and self evidently they didn’t put it on trickle charge before they got around to look at it as they called to say “battery is flat it’s and £125 to test”… 🙄. Given I’d only just put a new one on at £95 I pushed back. They then gave me a list totalling £3650 for unnecessary / not mandated within service schedule but “advisory” items… such as £240 for a windscreen wiper.. needless to say car will now go to local aftermarket service outfit with fantastic and longstanding reputation.
Pre-Lp Gallardos are just amazing. Stunning cars and kinda happy they have a bad rep, keep them cheaper. Change the cats, do its maintenance and drive the shit out of it. Actuator could go out but well its a car.
The pop out sunroofs are a weird shape too - worth a Google if you've not seen one
Great review!
Is a V8 Vantage eligible to be compared to the F360? It seems to offer similar performance for better money, but maybe the driving experience is nowhere near to compare?
I owned my Vantage for 4 years and loved it! Super reliable, I'd argue that it is also faster than a 360 when given basic mods as they are so corked from the factory. My Vantage made 360 at the wheels with sport cats, race muffler and ecu tune, also revs to 7700 rpm and loves it! Dry sump engine to handle track duty, and I have tracked my 3x, and it is amazing how well the overall package is at speed. Everyone who reviews the Vantage only drive them on the street, they never know the car is built to feel effortless when actually pushed.
Not sure if you done it yet james but I would say a California or prev Gen z4 3.5
You could literally buy a CS and sell it later for zero loss. The same cant be said for the 360M. The delta is miles apart. Both cars are great. The 360CS is about to go to the moon and I for one an very sad I missed the boat.
I’ve never really considered the 360 because a manual f430 has always been the dream…. But goddamn it I’m on autotrader trying to convince myself I could trade in the current wheels and daily one 🤣🤣🤣
The F1 gearbox is not great. Sure it works well on the road but if you have a gravel driveway or visit multi-storey car’s regularly then be careful. It’s very “binary” so either stop go…. Not ideal when nudging up to a concrete bollard in the dark. Keeping your gravel well dressed will keep you fit.
Question- Do you keep a chart of prices / expenses ?
360 Spider with the BBS alloys, maybe in black, or blue, or red, haven't decided. That's top of my list when my insurance premiums start falling.