Throwing in some advice of my own for newbies. Some specific monsters make hella good training dummies when you're practicing a certain bow type. I recommend Garangolm for Rapid since he's got all sorts of weak spots to aim at. Tetranodon for spread since he's so chunky. And noodle shaped monsters for Pierce. Rathian is also a good choice for either bow type. If you're cozy fighting a rathian then you're doing great. If you really wanna practice avoiding attacks, try Espinas. Yes he's scary and charges a lot but thats why I like practicing against them. For non Sunbreak movement practice, Tigrex is good since he's a very chargey screamy boy. Also don't forget monsters like the raptors. Yes they're weak but I think they make good headshot practice while you're avoiding status effects like sleep and poison. If you're practicing Pierce, aim down the monster so that the arrow goes through as much of it as it can. That's the pierce bread and butter. If you're firing at the side of a monster, it's not going to be great. Hence why the noodley monsters are so fun with it.
Another good one I feel is Mizutsune for pierce and spread. You'd think spread wouldn't be as effective against it, but it's back hitzone is massive and super vulnerable to spread bows just melting through it. It's very easy to keep it near permanently toppled just from hitting its back. It's attacks are also pretty fast moving so it's good dodgebolt practice too.
I think one issue with getting dodgebolt timing just right is that sometimes we might underestimate the duration of an attack's hitbox. Many monster attacks can have lingering hitboxes that either last longer than one would expect or the hitbox might be just a tad longer than you might have thought that the dodgebolt's i-frames don't cover. Which is why I usually pair it with Evade Extender, especially when fighting chonky monsters. So...pretty much trial-and-error.
As a DB main in Rise trying to go back to bow (my main in mhw) is painful, so much failed evades, DB is an machine in rise almost no attack can hit you even playing over aggressive if you know what you doing, also s got nerfed hard compared to world where I was used to know the time of most attacks, so I having a hard time against my memory from world and reckless from DB
hey man, i'm not gonna go into all the wonderful and useful stuff you've said, just wanted to share one small critic: the amount of times you've mentioned "several videos discussing [all] these topics" was something me and my friends noticed while watching this video. i get why it would be smart to mention them, but im sure all of us have gotten the message after the 2nd time. keep up the good work g
I wanna thank you so much. You helped me a lot, i improved so quick since you helped me on your discord :D i still have to figure and learn some things but i think i can do it with such great videos and tips. Really, thank you so much
Thank you, the point about lv3 bubbly dance pair with resuscitate is extremely helpful, also the camera controls. I used to have gyro on the switch controller, but now I'm on PC I don't know how to aim properly and this is even more prominent on the bow (not so bad with LBG or HBG).
dodgebolt is pretty much the same as adept style in the way that you use it less to dodge away from an attack, but more to dodge into the attack, but with way less i-frames. Like a tail sweep for example, normally you'd want to dodge and avoid the attack altogether, but for dodgebolt it's best to dodge into the tail where the attack will pass through you the fastest so by the time your i-frames end, the hitbox has already gone past you and you can counter attack freely. Pretty much the same with bladescale hone and adrenaline skills too which are some of my favourite skills in the game since they reward you for risk taking.
I actually used the bow in Rise for the first time after discovering your channel. I even built a LR set to optimize my playstyle. I was so abysmal at killing the weakest monsters that I went back to the CB and HH. After watching this, I’m going to give it another go. Bow users have the most fun and I want to be a part of it. Big Ups! I really dig your work, especially your bow videos and the HH tutorial. Great stuff man.
After being hesitant for how much this weapon changed, I finally decided to try this weapon again (and bowguns) now that we're in the wait for the next mainline MH game... And I need all the tips (and builds) I can get. I am putting together a Blast Bow after watching your video about that build.
So I was a big Dragon Piercer user in Iceborne. Idk I thought carefully picking my shot and smashing through the enemy was satisfying. For the same reason I really liked Wyvernsnipe. For somebody finally looking at picking up Rise/Sunbreak. Came here hoping for info on if it's as fun or not as it was back in IB.
Hey thanks for this video! Just got back into rise because it was cheep on the Playstation store and I can't have it on my switch because it is too big and have a kid that loves that thing so I need to free up space for them. Decided to finally try a range weapon after 2 gens of monster hunter. Decided to go bow because it still kind feels like a melee weapon and this was extremely helpful. Cheers!
Also you can get healing cats who, with some luck, have the skill "Go, fight, win". Thats basically the effect of a dash juice. I have seen this in a guide for bow beginner, and I started with two of them. So I basically had endless stamina all over the fight haha ^^
I've been really disheartened with Bow recently and was considering switching weapons to main something else. This guide really highlighted some stuff foe me, so thank you. I have a couple of questions if I may?
Currently getting into bow. I noticed a huge difference when I used ss/constitution, in a very positive way. Without those skills my character literally can't fight for more than 20 seconds, it's super frustrating.
Before I watched a video on dodgebolt, I thought it was a regular melee. Felt almost useless. Until I tried a spread bow with blast element. Instead of using it as a counter, I would use it to reposition myself while still getting in some decent damage. And with a blast bow you get the occasional 100+ dmg added to the initial hit. Eventually I accidentally countered a monsters attack and then I was like “ohhhh I get it now, I like my way better though.” But, either way, dodgebolt is also best used when you know the monster well. Learned that the hard way 😂
a litte bit of tips. if you really like dash dance, i suggest you get amatsu armor. the heaven sent is gonna make you dance master and also dont be afraid to put evade extender on your dodgebolt.
I'm surprised that Evade Extender wasn't mentioned here, I feel extremely sluggish as a bow player without it. Even the bowguns can get some benefit out of it. I don't really need to I-frame through a monster's attacks if it can't catch me to begin with. Your dodges will only work in four directions that are cardinal *to the direction your camera is aimed at*. You can sort of curve the path of your dodges around a monster that way by first aiming your camera a little to the side of the monster and then dodging that way.
I went into this video for advice as someone who is burnt out on lance and wants to try bow. And I got good advice, but then I reached 10:46 I just had to stop and question your statement that "a large number" of the Bow speedrunners I see on TH-cam who don't use Evade Window are using "an i-frame cheat". That is a strong accusation to make. Is there any evidence that cheating is that rampant among Bow speedrunners? Any speedrun channels for me to avoid?
I would recommend you avoid them all. PC mods and console emulation run rampant. If you want to understand it better, immerse yourself in that community for a while and you'll see more drama than you can imagine.
Slugger 3 is awesome! Make sure you're using exhaust coatings for the KO damage, and/or absolute powershot for the KO damage. otherwise, slugger won't do anything for you!
@@iixxion YAY 😁 ty ig it wasn't stupid to do that also I need help I have norm/rapid 3, slugger 3 , stamina Surg 3 constitution 5 , reload speed 2 on my build but i have small/bad 😔 dmg
Hi, I have a question, in tip 3, if you have a weapon, for example the Arzuros bow, that its charged dispels have: lvl1 -> Fan4; lvl2 -> Fan3; lvl3 -> Fan1. In these cases where the highest charged level has a weaker shot type, what should be done? How could I block a charge level without losing much dps or does the fact that the shot type is weak at a high charge level not influence so much?
test the shot levels on the dummy and see which one your prefer. usually when you see a bow with the shot levels inversed, it means its designed to spam the charge level 1 shot. So often you can optimize for that shot and change up your playstyle and be effective using it.
Excellent video man But what I’m curious about is breaking parts Yes go for the weak spots to deal damage, but let’s say you’re grinding for a monster’s entire armor set and you gotta break everything but, there’s only one or two spots on the body that take raw damage. Do you just chip away regardless or do something else?
Every part takes raw damage. Some take more than others for sure. Best way to break parts with bow is: partbreaker 3, then use melee and full-charge dragon piercer shots to tear him up. These attacks have boosted PB abilities that nobody talks about. My upcoming video covers this, among other things!
@@lazthespaz2290 orange numbers mean you're hitting a "weak spot" for that damage type (cutting, blunt, ammo). It's a quick way for the game to tell you "keep hitting here". It's not always necessary, depending on your build and strategy. With the right build, you can hit all white numbers and still do insane DPS.
I’ve tried stamina thief 3 and slugger 2 build now and it’s freaking awesome but I not sure how to maximise this build to full potential. Possible you can do a video with these 2 abilities
Great video my friend. Should I always use the melee attack as my switch skill or the other one where the monster gets hit several times (don't know the name of the switch skill sry)
whichever fits your playstyle! the stake thrust is really nice when you want to extend the effectiveness of your coatings or just crank out that much more damage per shot. The melee attack does big damage, and doesn't use up your coatings, while still applying the status of that coating!
But... but... I need to infinite combo! It's time efficient! ͜ಥʖ̯ಥ The Arzuros Honeypot basically exists only for Dodgebolt/Melee Attack combos; think of it like a sword that you can _technically_ shoot at things, but feasibly shouldn't. It was many times better for efficient Quest completion times in all of Low Rank, even as it fell off due to the -absolutely moronic- _unusual,_ series-long insistence on weapons not upgrading every quest tier, and being -drawn from a soggy hat- chosen at _interesting_ times to be respected.
Yup! most people watching this won't have access to shockproof yet. I was gonna mention it, but figured I'd keep it simple to start out. Thank you for point this out!
Probably been asked before but, do Bubbly Dance's and Evade Window's i-frame effects stack? Or are they both just good evasion skills that give you a healthy amount of i-frame overlap?
Throwing in some advice of my own for newbies. Some specific monsters make hella good training dummies when you're practicing a certain bow type. I recommend Garangolm for Rapid since he's got all sorts of weak spots to aim at. Tetranodon for spread since he's so chunky. And noodle shaped monsters for Pierce. Rathian is also a good choice for either bow type. If you're cozy fighting a rathian then you're doing great. If you really wanna practice avoiding attacks, try Espinas. Yes he's scary and charges a lot but thats why I like practicing against them. For non Sunbreak movement practice, Tigrex is good since he's a very chargey screamy boy. Also don't forget monsters like the raptors. Yes they're weak but I think they make good headshot practice while you're avoiding status effects like sleep and poison. If you're practicing Pierce, aim down the monster so that the arrow goes through as much of it as it can. That's the pierce bread and butter. If you're firing at the side of a monster, it's not going to be great. Hence why the noodley monsters are so fun with it.
TY. I'll look for some practice targets
Another good one I feel is Mizutsune for pierce and spread. You'd think spread wouldn't be as effective against it, but it's back hitzone is massive and super vulnerable to spread bows just melting through it. It's very easy to keep it near permanently toppled just from hitting its back. It's attacks are also pretty fast moving so it's good dodgebolt practice too.
Who remembers having to mine armor spheres with a pickaxe you had to carry in your bag that broke based on rng despite its rarity
Same as the time were you needto build extra gunner gear with lesser armorstats. :D
I think one issue with getting dodgebolt timing just right is that sometimes we might underestimate the duration of an attack's hitbox. Many monster attacks can have lingering hitboxes that either last longer than one would expect or the hitbox might be just a tad longer than you might have thought that the dodgebolt's i-frames don't cover. Which is why I usually pair it with Evade Extender, especially when fighting chonky monsters. So...pretty much trial-and-error.
Get evade window if you suck at dodging. Works wonders
As a DB main in Rise trying to go back to bow (my main in mhw) is painful, so much failed evades, DB is an machine in rise almost no attack can hit you even playing over aggressive if you know what you doing, also s got nerfed hard compared to world where I was used to know the time of most attacks, so I having a hard time against my memory from world and reckless from DB
Iixxion really just put 54 bow tips into a 20 minute easy to digest video. Great work man!
New to bow but not mh and everything is perfectly and detailed explained thank you so much
hey man, i'm not gonna go into all the wonderful and useful stuff you've said, just wanted to share one small critic: the amount of times you've mentioned "several videos discussing [all] these topics" was something me and my friends noticed while watching this video. i get why it would be smart to mention them, but im sure all of us have gotten the message after the 2nd time. keep up the good work g
I wanna thank you so much. You helped me a lot, i improved so quick since you helped me on your discord :D i still have to figure and learn some things but i think i can do it with such great videos and tips. Really, thank you so much
Thanks for this video, I just got into MonHun and bow has been the only weapon to feel great. I appreciate this
Thank you, the point about lv3 bubbly dance pair with resuscitate is extremely helpful, also the camera controls. I used to have gyro on the switch controller, but now I'm on PC I don't know how to aim properly and this is even more prominent on the bow (not so bad with LBG or HBG).
As a complete bow newbie, this is the most helpful video I have found. Legend
dodgebolt is pretty much the same as adept style in the way that you use it less to dodge away from an attack, but more to dodge into the attack, but with way less i-frames. Like a tail sweep for example, normally you'd want to dodge and avoid the attack altogether, but for dodgebolt it's best to dodge into the tail where the attack will pass through you the fastest so by the time your i-frames end, the hitbox has already gone past you and you can counter attack freely. Pretty much the same with bladescale hone and adrenaline skills too which are some of my favourite skills in the game since they reward you for risk taking.
I actually used the bow in Rise for the first time after discovering your channel. I even built a LR set to optimize my playstyle. I was so abysmal at killing the weakest monsters that I went back to the CB and HH. After watching this, I’m going to give it another go. Bow users have the most fun and I want to be a part of it.
Big Ups! I really dig your work, especially your bow videos and the HH tutorial. Great stuff man.
Thank you!
After being hesitant for how much this weapon changed, I finally decided to try this weapon again (and bowguns) now that we're in the wait for the next mainline MH game... And I need all the tips (and builds) I can get. I am putting together a Blast Bow after watching your video about that build.
So I was a big Dragon Piercer user in Iceborne. Idk I thought carefully picking my shot and smashing through the enemy was satisfying. For the same reason I really liked Wyvernsnipe. For somebody finally looking at picking up Rise/Sunbreak. Came here hoping for info on if it's as fun or not as it was back in IB.
it is. I have a few DP videos already, and I have a TU5 endgame DP build that's going up soon! it is phenomenal. long live DP!
Hey thanks for this video! Just got back into rise because it was cheep on the Playstation store and I can't have it on my switch because it is too big and have a kid that loves that thing so I need to free up space for them. Decided to finally try a range weapon after 2 gens of monster hunter. Decided to go bow because it still kind feels like a melee weapon and this was extremely helpful. Cheers!
Can't wait for final update see were the meta ends at😂🎉❤😢
Also you can get healing cats who, with some luck, have the skill "Go, fight, win". Thats basically the effect of a dash juice. I have seen this in a guide for bow beginner, and I started with two of them. So I basically had endless stamina all over the fight haha ^^
ty for this well done guide !
Great tips and video!
I love evade window and evade distance.
I've been really disheartened with Bow recently and was considering switching weapons to main something else. This guide really highlighted some stuff foe me, so thank you. I have a couple of questions if I may?
Yup come on over the discord and message me. Easier to talk there.
attack the attack. that's the best tip for dodgebolt i got
Currently getting into bow.
I noticed a huge difference when I used ss/constitution, in a very positive way.
Without those skills my character literally can't fight for more than 20 seconds, it's super frustrating.
Before I watched a video on dodgebolt, I thought it was a regular melee. Felt almost useless. Until I tried a spread bow with blast element.
Instead of using it as a counter, I would use it to reposition myself while still getting in some decent damage. And with a blast bow you get the occasional 100+ dmg added to the initial hit. Eventually I accidentally countered a monsters attack and then I was like “ohhhh I get it now, I like my way better though.”
But, either way, dodgebolt is also best used when you know the monster well. Learned that the hard way 😂
a litte bit of tips. if you really like dash dance, i suggest you get amatsu armor. the heaven sent is gonna make you dance master and also dont be afraid to put evade extender on your dodgebolt.
Thankyou!!!❤❤❤
I'm surprised that Evade Extender wasn't mentioned here, I feel extremely sluggish as a bow player without it. Even the bowguns can get some benefit out of it. I don't really need to I-frame through a monster's attacks if it can't catch me to begin with.
Your dodges will only work in four directions that are cardinal *to the direction your camera is aimed at*. You can sort of curve the path of your dodges around a monster that way by first aiming your camera a little to the side of the monster and then dodging that way.
I went into this video for advice as someone who is burnt out on lance and wants to try bow. And I got good advice, but then I reached 10:46 I just had to stop and question your statement that "a large number" of the Bow speedrunners I see on TH-cam who don't use Evade Window are using "an i-frame cheat". That is a strong accusation to make. Is there any evidence that cheating is that rampant among Bow speedrunners? Any speedrun channels for me to avoid?
I would recommend you avoid them all. PC mods and console emulation run rampant. If you want to understand it better, immerse yourself in that community for a while and you'll see more drama than you can imagine.
Is using ko jewel actually good bc i have slugger 3 on my build and idk if it's actually good
Slugger 3 is awesome! Make sure you're using exhaust coatings for the KO damage, and/or absolute powershot for the KO damage. otherwise, slugger won't do anything for you!
@@iixxion YAY 😁 ty ig it wasn't stupid to do that also I need help I have norm/rapid 3, slugger 3 , stamina Surg 3 constitution 5 , reload speed 2 on my build but i have small/bad 😔 dmg
@@TakoumiEditYTcome over to the discord and we can troubleshoot it! probably a simple fix.
@@iixxion okay thanks
Hi, I have a question, in tip 3, if you have a weapon, for example the Arzuros bow, that its charged dispels have: lvl1 -> Fan4; lvl2 -> Fan3; lvl3 -> Fan1. In these cases where the highest charged level has a weaker shot type, what should be done? How could I block a charge level without losing much dps or does the fact that the shot type is weak at a high charge level not influence so much?
test the shot levels on the dummy and see which one your prefer. usually when you see a bow with the shot levels inversed, it means its designed to spam the charge level 1 shot. So often you can optimize for that shot and change up your playstyle and be effective using it.
@14:56 is that focus shot? How do you do that midair after getting hit?
Nope that was a regular wirebug evade that you can do after getting hit.
I havent seen the end game build since the royal bow build :(
this voice tho, sounds like a documentary from National Geographic
Excellent video man
But what I’m curious about is breaking parts
Yes go for the weak spots to deal damage, but let’s say you’re grinding for a monster’s entire armor set and you gotta break everything but, there’s only one or two spots on the body that take raw damage. Do you just chip away regardless or do something else?
Every part takes raw damage. Some take more than others for sure. Best way to break parts with bow is: partbreaker 3, then use melee and full-charge dragon piercer shots to tear him up. These attacks have boosted PB abilities that nobody talks about. My upcoming video covers this, among other things!
@@iixxion Oh, I thought the raw damage was the orange numbers. Thanks for the advice still!
@@lazthespaz2290 orange numbers mean you're hitting a "weak spot" for that damage type (cutting, blunt, ammo). It's a quick way for the game to tell you "keep hitting here".
It's not always necessary, depending on your build and strategy. With the right build, you can hit all white numbers and still do insane DPS.
I’ve tried stamina thief 3 and slugger 2 build now and it’s freaking awesome but I not sure how to maximise this build to full potential. Possible you can do a video with these 2 abilities
Great video my friend.
Should I always use the melee attack as my switch skill or the other one where the monster gets hit several times (don't know the name of the switch skill sry)
whichever fits your playstyle! the stake thrust is really nice when you want to extend the effectiveness of your coatings or just crank out that much more damage per shot. The melee attack does big damage, and doesn't use up your coatings, while still applying the status of that coating!
@@iixxion okay nice thanks a lot, I will follow your channel for more content
Not gonna lie I’m MR 30 and I’ve never known that 180 degree camera trick 😳
But... but... I need to infinite combo! It's time efficient! ͜ಥʖ̯ಥ
The Arzuros Honeypot basically exists only for Dodgebolt/Melee Attack combos; think of it like a sword that you can _technically_ shoot at things, but feasibly shouldn't. It was many times better for efficient Quest completion times in all of Low Rank, even as it fell off due to the -absolutely moronic- _unusual,_ series-long insistence on weapons not upgrading every quest tier, and being -drawn from a soggy hat- chosen at _interesting_ times to be respected.
8:30 Not to be that guy, but wouldn’t shockproof be better that flinch free so ur teammates can free you of ailments
Yup! most people watching this won't have access to shockproof yet. I was gonna mention it, but figured I'd keep it simple to start out. Thank you for point this out!
Console players can't get shockproof yet
What was the bow you used in the fight clip right at the start?
But u didn’t explain with what a charge level 4 is very well explained lol
Iixion can I use bow with no stamina management skills or dango?
Edit: is blast bow viable?
Blast bow is viable. I'd eat for fighter lv2, and skip the stamina management armor skills!
Im in endgame on console. Are the skills you suggest even possible to get when console is stuck in Title Update 3
absolutely yes.
50 tips? For FREE? What's the catch? Oh, I see the catch, it's for bow users.
if you become an elite tier patreon supporter, you'll get the lbg tips.
@@iixxion Tips like, shoot monster, reload, shoot monster, craft ammo, repeat? I need to learn how to shoot the monster. Maybe I should sign up!
Tbh the lock on to the monster tip is OP for gunners too. Snapping to the monsters location can't be understated on how useful it is
@@DaddyAptonoth Been using that since 4U with all weapons.
@@hero_on_youtube Yesss! Love it
Probably been asked before but, do Bubbly Dance's and Evade Window's i-frame effects stack? Or are they both just good evasion skills that give you a healthy amount of i-frame overlap?
bubbly dance will give you two more EW i-frames. so yes, they stack. BD + EW 3 is functionally equivalent to EW 5.
@@iixxion SWEET! Thanks :D
I’m what console do you play?
Steam and Switch!
Dont start with bow if this if your first MH game.
Use hammer, then learn the game first.
I haven’t played enough with it. Lol but i am not too bad at it. Skills are how do i say it 💩💩💩💩💩
Don't take advice from someone who uses dragonpiercer. Forced voice also makes my skin crawl.