Why Captain Marvel was WRONG (and Could’ve Stopped THANOS!)
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Thumbs down for Ryan "Takes too much meth" Arey and his terribad fanfic.
The issue is that Danvers was not trying to free the Kree, she was getting revenge on the Supreme Intelligence for kidnapping her.
Bingo. It wasn’t anything else. lol The Marvels film Is in no shape confusing It just isn’t good…
Which is somewhat justified
@@storm-bu4qbso causing the destruction of a whole planet involving people who never even knew Carol is justification for what the Kree did to her? what type of hero does that?
@@Sonnix07 yes, destroying an entire civilization including innocent people who knew nothing about Carol was cruel. But her resentment towards the supreme intelligence was justified. Plus she didn't anticipate or realize the outcome will be that gruesome and she admitted it herself. Imagine being kidnapped and having your memories extracted (almost like mental manipulation, abuse or torture) feels like gaslighting. It's not a good experience if you know what it feels like. It's a very cruel and traumatic experience you can't hold in for long cuz it can destroy the victim's soul. This is a case of Ying Yang (the good in the evil and the evil in the good)
@@Sonnix07 it's what storm said, and also Carol didn't cause the destruction of Hala *on purpose* . Her main objective was to weaken the Kree Empire and to destroy the Supreme Intelligence. The 30 year civil war + the destruction of their ecosystem + the death of their star were things she didn't predict, nor want. It's more like an anti-hero journey rather than a true hero or villain one.
"You can't just give people free will and then walk away, that's not how it works" - Loki
I don’t remember this quote, but it’s certainly correct.
It’s like when Rick & Morty ended The Purge, only for the planet’s people to start murdering each other all over again
30 years passed on earth but carol flying around the galaxy at light speed doesnt experience time like we do due to reletivity. Depending on the distance from earth and gravity. Hours or days for her could be years on earth. Hence why she hasn't really aged in 30 years
dar-benn didn't age either. i think it's mostly a kree thing.
She does not travel so fast. She uses the Universal Neural Teleportation Network.
@@devanirnf she can surely travel at light speed as shown in her first movie and in endgame when she save Tony and even in The Marvels but she own a space ship so she can use it to travel i mean when you got a space ship why would you waste your energy flying all the time just laid in bed and let the space ship do that😂
Great video. Now I’m wondering if Carol and her team stopped Thanos early on in his crusade then Loki never ends up on earth, never gets captured, never escapes using the Tesseract then never ends up in the TVA, no meeting Kang, no spaghettified Timely, Loki doesn’t replace the Loom.. Then maybe Spider-Man is the one who causes all the Multiversal madness in the 161. Or maybe not since the only reason he knows Doctor Strange is that they fought together against Thanos so would that mean we would avoid the Multiversal shitshow all together. Or maybe not..I dunno.. my head hurts.😂
Always appreciate seeing an analysis that does it's best to not be biased against a stellar character.
Carol, throughout the comics, tends to struggle less with physical defeats and more with mental defeats and ptsd, which often lead her to using her incredible power in ways that often have collateral damage. These stories though, are what give her character strength and her arcs meaning. This was central in both films she was a lead in, whether well done or not can be debated sure, but it was there. In the version of the time line you propose, I could see this being the central theme of her character in a better way than we see in the MCU. Some of Carol's most powerful moments come from these cosmic and moral dilemmas (the death of Singularity, the death of Binary, her escaping the Brood, her fighting the Phoenix Force, ect). If we had a more cosmic setting, I'm sure we could have explored these sort of things better. The Kree an Shiar are super important to the M'kraan crystal right? Which would be a great way to introduce the Phoenix Force and thus Jean Grey and the mutants. Plus Rouge, Nova, and many others are central to space stories involving her. It'd be a fantastic what if episode.
I'm always haply to see Carol on screen, let's just hope these future outings will be better. Though I doubt the hate will truly ever stop.
This version of Carol couldn't lead a three person team and you want her to lead a Galactic Federation?
I like the little reference to the Kree Enperor in Hardians of the Galaxy Vol.1 and how he ratified the peace treaty with the Nova Empire that caused Ronan to defect and join Thanos.
...and then Annihilus shows up. "Who said my name three times?!?!?" 🤪
0:14 That's Airwalks, and yes, I was. lol.
I’ve always wondered how the Kree Emperor rose to power as he’s specifically referred to as the successor to the Supreme Intelligence before being replaced by Dar-Ben after the end of their Civil War.
Another great video Ryan, but you are forgetting with all this said, Vision's comments about avengers creating opposition and Thor saying if earth has the tesseract it signals earth is ready for a higher level of warfare
Vision's comments about the Avengers creating opposition were mostly nonsense though. While Earth did face higher and higher stakes since Iron Man revealed himself, Iron Man didn't cause Loki to invade in _Thor_ or _The Avengers._ The Avengers also didn't cause the return of HYDRA; that plan had been in the works for decades.
Still don’t understand how Carol destroying the central intelligence would cause their sun to burn out 30 years later. Pretty sure the sun would have done that regardless… not to mention why couldn’t all the Skrulls move to that planet the emperor’s colony was on!?
I theories that the Supreme Intelligence would have altered the Kree about the dying sun so they could have either evacuated or come up with a solution.
The Supreme Intelligence could have also come up with a solution itself (or at least played an important part in coming up with a solution).
Even though Ryan is right about Danvers not making good decisions. The Kree and the Skrull societies have similar behavior as humans. They both have good and evil citizens. Even if the Kree had a strong empire, their kingdom was destined to collapse eventually. The Skrulls that were on earth rebelled against humans not because they were misstreated, but because they had an ability humans didn't. And they saw an opportunity to take over the planet. All I'm saying is that all these events would've have happened regardless
@@miltonmejia4242true but it all stems from her taking bad decisions upon bad decisions. Sure those things would have happened but definitely not to the extent they got to
@@leeking6939 I was hoping to see a scene in the marvels where half of the skrulls and kree get vanished by the blip. I'm sure that played a big part in their internal conflicts too. I can just imagine Thanos going to those planets. That is if he hadn't already
The Supreme intelligence being destroyed threw the Kree into a civil war and I think we are to assume that the war, either through maybe some sort of technological firepower pollution or one of the sides in the Civil War literally destroyed the sun, that it was the war itself that destroyed their sun. Like maybe they used space nukes or something during the war and destroyed their climate and that affected their sun somehow.
Nitpick, the main villain, it's difficult to be afraid of her when she looks cute trying to look bad. As for the Nova Corps, when Quill gave the power stone, maybe they tried to make their own Captain Marvel but using multiple individuals to be empowered by it instead of just one. At some point Carol could had made contact with the Nova Corps and they learned how she was changed by the Tesseract and tried to duplicate the conditions for that power up but using multiple ppl as individuals tend to blow up like Ronan.
It's not a nitpick; it's a major flaw of the movie. The villain never really looked dangerous or menacing
Yeah I actually generally like Carol but hey it is big MCU theme to do something good that has unintended consequences that lead to disaster.
Carol is so much better in the comics.
I am SO glad I wasn't drinking water, when you said "President Potato Head".
Why would you label that clip from the simpsons as South Park?
1) Danvers wasn't the only hero. The Nova Corps were busy playing police while Danvers was playing vigilante, and the Kree had their own heroes, even during their civil war. It should be noted that space was pretty safe and encounters with groups like the Ravagers or even Thanos were pretty rare.
[Thanos, BTW, had been at the conquering business for decades prior to Danvers joining the Kree. He just hadn't found the first of Infinity Gems yet.]
2) Danvers didn't want to reform the Kree empire; she just wanted revenge. For that matter, her leading some sort of Galactic league is sort of a joke: She was never a leader in the MCU, preferring to either take orders or be completely on her own.
3) The Red Guardian would have been a better selection than Bucky. Valkyrie was also new to Sakar; it's unlikely she had been there more than a decade or two. Keep in mind also that the Back Panther is a legacy character. Hulk had also been around for a bit.
So, if Fury had put it all the pieces together faster, and had realized that Wakanda had sleeper agents throughout the world, he could have put together an 1990s team from Red Guardian, ant Man/Wasp (the Pyms), and Black Panther (T'Challa's Dad), with Thor, Valkyrie, and a Black Widow being options, as well as various members of the Eternals.
This ignores the Inhumans and any "enhanced beings" from the pre-Coulson days of SHIELD.
Yeah, I agree that if Carol had managed to unite the galaxy by a campaign of nation building and diplomacy over decades, it might ultimately do more good, but that's not exactly her skill set. She had the confidence and headfirst attitude to solving problems that the US Air Force trains into their fighter test pilots. Strategic thinking and leadership was what she was learning in The Marvels. It's hard to imagine who could have the capacity to set up a a new galactic government while massively changing the culture of billions of groups. And then using the Kree to enforce the peace...the same people who had conquered 25% of the galaxy by force. To reference West Wing, it's like saying "they don't know what's good for them, but they'll like us when we win."
if Thanos is stopped earlier, then maybe Ajak never has a change of heart, the Eternals continue their mission, and Tiamat destroys the earth?
Yes 100% Thanos is like Loki. Bringing heroes and people together for the common good.
Exactly i keep explaining this time and time again on why Thanos should have won in Infinity War and that it's why Strange didn't use sling ring on Thanos
exactly
"Alpha Flight... It's like SHIELD in space."
"You mean, SWORD?"
"..... Deeeeper space."
“Airwalkers” 😂😂😂😂
Traveling throw space need a lot of time... if only someone have teleporting powers ... Like every magic user in MCU or Heimdall ...
What about the Eternals, Namor, the Ancient One, Wen Wu they were all active in the past
Carol always came off as overconfident and never consider the consequences of her actions. Carol's arrogance and actions causing more problems is very much equal to Iron Man, creating Ultron and many other problems.
Too little MCU fans talk of Carol's wrongs. She don't get to tell Rhodey she was busy if the universe got halved anyway.
That's a pretty interesting way to look at Captain Marvel's character. But this probably would work better as a What If though.
Found refuge, not refugee. A refugee is an individual whereas refuge is something one or many can seek. An overpay in a rainstorm is refuge from the elements for example. Whether it's for one person or a group.
Hi Ryan, any updates on the Doug plushes? Had no emails updating us and think they are supposed to be delivered next month or so (I'm UK based). Super excited to have a little Doug buddy!
For what I know, the Kree should've been affected by the snap, and they owe Carol (and the Avengers, in general), the restoration of those snapped kree.
They totally could go to another planet.
As the saying goes: it’s easy to blow up a train. It’s harder to make it run on time.
The writer as they pandered to the
Bit off more than they could crew. They made a Peggy Sue a Uber insanely powerful version of Captian Mar-vel . Carol could have formed a galactic team to alter the history of the multi-verse..
Who would win if captain marvel fight against ancient one?
i think the ancient one would win. carol is basically just a puncher and blaster type character. things the ancient one probably has spells for. plus she could trap her in a mirror dimension or something like that. would be a cool what if episode tho
@jettysfuneral depends on if the ancient one decides to warp reality
My 2 cents: CM was supposed to be released in 2016 but because the opportunity/deal MCU made with Sony about Spiderman it got not just delayed but in reality felt from relevance. It’s well known a post credit scene in the first avengers movie that would feature CM. Then again once Feige got hands on Spiderman everything about lost focus. The first movie back in 2019 IMHO looked as it belonged to “another idea/plan”( maybe the original) about Infinity Stones. That’s maybe because even Rona was there. But in 2019 , Avengers had ALREADY MOVED PAST CAROL DANVERS, and her place in the MCU never felt natural, logical or relevant. What kinda of people from the military would abandon Earth after the events of Infinity War and the Blip.
To make matters worst MCU came up with this very nonsensical “sun killing” plot. The problem is that event described in The Marvels does not fit with the spacial/galactic side of the MCU , set with the GOG movies, Thanos and Avengers movies. Ronan’s motivation on the first GOG movie would be way too diferente; Secret Invasion made canon Skrull still did not had a place to live and were coming to Earth in millions during the Blip. The Marvels plot does fit it. And the movie sucks because of it.
3:54 I never knew, Barney had a cameo in Southpark...
The whole, “Carol did this and she destroyed Supreme Intelligence, there was a civil war and then the sun went out.”
It is like, not only did they jump the shark; it doesn’t even make any sense.
Or did Carol also do something to the sun, but they forgot to include that in the movie? How did she “restart” it? Put back something she took out of it?
Otherwise, how would a civil war turn their star off? They forgot to pay the electric bill?
This is a BBBBIIIIIGGGGGG what if. It forgets how pissed off Carol was at the Kree for stealing her life. She want nothing to do with these creeps.
The Evil Ai turned out to be right as the Skrull showed who they really are when they tried to take tried to take over earth. Many of the skrull talked about how they used to be war mongers at one point before they where defeated.
Wouldn’t this mean Hydra gets to spread throughout the galaxy b/c they’d still be operating via SHIELD
Carol was a pilot & a warrior (hero). You want her to be a politician and governmental strategist. Those are not necessarily overlapping skillsets. Why people think they can rule just because they can punch is crazy
why was the Spock and Barney scene get credited as a South Park Episode lmfao 😂
I wish they kept carols helmet on more. She looks great with it.
Yo nice video
if this happens we cannot see epic endgame battle ,infinity war thor scene ,cap lifting mjolnir etc
What a peaceful universe, without Earth. If Thanos never snaps the population of Earth hits the threshold before Ajak has a change of heart and Earth is destroyed when Tiamat is born.
Just like the real world would be a lot more peaceful without Amerikkka and Is a hell.
My personal opinion.. if Captain Marvel had been an Amazing Savior of The Kree, The Skrull and had stopped Thanos … a lot of the events wouldn’t have happened and … the MCU would had to find other villains to fill their places. Also in reality that’s not really how powerful people act … they only involve themselves in smaller causes.
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Chef's kills for the snippet from Generation Kill!
I mean, when you destabalize a whole empire by taking off the head, you kinda get that trauma added to your baggage and might not jump at next chance to "go for the head" again.
That's my headcannon for not dealing directly with Thanos and with other entities. She deals with the consequences now and is focused on attempting to prevent more death when disasters are happening. She isn't healing, she is jumping from one problem to the next until she gets an SOS from Nick Fury which reconnects her with Earth again (which she has been avoiding so hard, using every excuse possible). The very definition avoid avoidance.
So during Infinity War, her focus is entirely on Thanos because of the whole SNAP. After that though, she goes back into space, comes back and contacts earth on a more regular schedule but avoids the Rambeau because existential guilt and trauma. When the random teleporting gets in the way of her avoidance jumping from one problem to the next she is forced to face and VOICE her issues for the first time in decades. Her "healing" was badly portrayed and should have been a lot more deserved rather than "one off conversations that solves the topic" but it still happened in a way.
ALL OF THIS, I don't mind the 30 years :p
Sounds like Captain Marvel needed an Uncle Ben.😂
SWORD was founded by Maria Rambeau, Monica's mother...
In Avengers: Endgame there is a glaring error on Captain Marvel's part in the final battle. Marvel is flying around with the Infinity Gauntlet IN HER HANDS, fer Christ's sake! As soon as she took it from Peter she should have said, "Oh, well, we just won!" She would slip it on and wish Thanos and his gang away. She HAD to know what it was and was certainly strong enough to use it without getting hurt. Also, she's brave enough to use it even if she thought it would kill her. There are ZERO reasons why she wouldn't have used it to save the day. They should have had anyone else take the Gauntlet from Peter.
I really wish Capt Marvel had better writers
3:56 says it South Park but it’s the Simpson
Why do people love to use the word decimate, when almost nobody uses it correctly? John Simm as Doctor Who's The Master correctly ordered the Toclafane to "reduce their population by a tenth."
Airwalkers? Airwalks
This is what I like to see
Yeah, you're probably right or whatever, but my hot take is that more heroes need to start being wrong! It makes things a lot more interesting, in my opinion!
Smash Mouth was barely 90s unless you found them right when they started it was 2000s when people were really listening to them and they took off and will always be an early 2000s band to me.
You're one of my favorites TH-camrs. I used to binge watch your Easter eggs videos, your theory videos, etc, but maybe what I'm about to complain isn't too much of your fault. Maybe it's the lack of shows being aired, maybe it's this platform fault for constantly changing it's algorithm, but it hurts to see such a talented writer/TH-camr/presenter and much more falling for cheap clickbaits, like "CAPTAIN MARVEL WAS WRONG!", "SPIDERMAN NO WAY HOME WAS THE WORST OF THEM ALL", among others. I'm able to understand different points of views, but this is so out of place for what you made of yourself these years prior that I can't believe you actually mean what you say in your thumbnails. Please, stop from following this trail of hard-to-believe thumbnails....
Hey, I'm of the belief that Carol is way too OP and I feel we all need to see the beginnings of a misguided Rogue stealing her powers. If Rogue is ever to come into the MCU, she needs flight, super strength and Invulnerability.
What say you?
We all know she didn't beat Thanos because they nerfed her so Tony would be the hero.
I wish the supreme intelligence was the villain for the whole movie.
3:55 south park (1997)?
Right?
I misread that as "Why **adding** Captain Marvel was WRONG". Darn.
It's easy to say that she was wrong but this is based off of her understanding the politics of dictators and their role in a society. Not only was she more focused on revenge, she still had American politics in her which was "just get rid of dictators and they'll be fine." Henceforth, it was the American programing that led her astray as she destroyed the AI programming without a plan in place.
The biggest flaw with the MCU captain marvel is that she isn’t a hero she’s a soldier that doesn’t respect authority. She doesn’t inspire people,everyone is just in awe of her overwhelming power.
Air Walkers...? You mean Airwalks?
Did you ever explain why Thanos was teased in The Marvel’s, but never appeared? My theory is that it was cut footage.
The reality of life is that all things have to have a balance.
Let’s say captain marvel did create the alliance needed to stop thano. A bigger evil would be created and accelerated the either thano’s plan or the destruction of the sacred timeline.
I’ll pick the thano one for this comment. Well Thano would have likely heard of the alliance from his massive army’s influence. This would have made him start to look for allies himself.
My argument here is that this would have caused him to become more enlightened to the fullness of the universe and the chance to search and find either tva, the silver surfer, kang, or even galactica.
This would cause for a timeline altering clash.
didnt thanos only start to collect stones when oden died? So how would she had fought him before he did anything wrong? I mean sure he was still killing half the planets people but no one seemed to care until he got the stones
It’s weird watching this upload through the lens of 20+ years of American interventionism.
love how a lot of the MCU heroes are the real villains lol
I love Captain Marvel and Brie Larson . In the real world, if you topple Hitler, yes, there should be a backup plan. Germany's condition after WW1 led to WWII. But, Marvel isn't nuanced that way (neither was the world after WW1). Bad guys get killed. There's a visceral satisfaction to that for the audience. Down with Emperor Palpatine! Besides, looking at what happened after Captain Marvel just shows, again, that hindsight is 20/20.
What are you yapping about
Why do aliens always look like humans with just makeup? What is this, the 80's?
Did you say Air Walkers?... that's not what they're called. AiR Walk's dude
Maybe captain marvel was always a planet or two behind thanos. Let’s pretend she heard about thanos. But not after the first half genocide but maybe the tenth. So she would be ten planets behind thanos showing up after staying to help and falling further behind. She got a break with earth. That’s being generous to her of course
Ryan you realize she couldve destroyed the Kree Universe star system not Earth's...
Then who made peace with Xandar in GOTG? Which government knows no shame?
we can be right and wrong about about movie tv and video game characters because we only see past their flaws and mistakes not for what they have and can’t do let’s not rank our favorite or least favorite characters on what they have done it’s more about how they can change and make the world better so stop being so mean stupid dumb or an idiot because we shouldn’t be cyber bullying anybody anyone everybody or everyone we should treat others as equals because that’s what we should be in this world love is more powerful than hate think before you say something on Facebook TH-cam or Twitter because everyone reads their mean comments when we get out of control because we don’t like something or someone we all have opinions about everything things that we like and don’t like but let’s just be supportive about things we like because if we are not the bad things we say will never go away online on the internet so let’s make our world a better place to live in because it’s the only world we have
Airwalkers? Like reebokers? 😂
Airwalkers?? Get it together, Ryan
a lot of what ifs. i lean towards the negative on the chances of this working but enjoy the idea and presentation. just think there are far too many variables, most notably the enormous egos involved.
Sorry guys, not with you on this one. It is even worse than what you describe. To try to align the Kree to be Heroic guardians for other planets and civilizations? Yes, BAD idea. With Ronan and his powerful influence out there, he easily could have turned this into a horrible situation.
marvel makes a woman with all that power and ultimately it's iron man who scarifies himself. Just shows how confused they are. All that time she was in space when thanos was halving civilizations
Airwalkers?
Your premise is that cpt. Marvel is seen as a form of saviour that everyone was waiting for. Looking at everything she has done she lost most fights, her assumptions were mostly wrong and she caused a people to almost go extinct. She is a bad guy
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Wanda, Carole and she hulk are all basically villains even of their own stories. Nothing about them is inspiring…hell Photon basically justifies Wanda taking an entire town (including children) hostage. How tf are we supposed to champion terrorists? Iron man messed up with ultron but at least tried to atone for his actions and died for the universe. Nothing about those three feels heroic, their mistakes lead to more entitlement and more mistakes.
Let me remind you Loki and Thor but commited 2 seperate genocides on frost giants yet you forgive them
@@PredsjednikGustavo._Loki started out a villain. Thor's action was also treated as a negative.
Wanda, Carol and Jennifer were treated as positive. This is why I prefer Wanda in MoM.
Carol could do everything except being people to theaters apparently.
So no Infinity and no Endgame. Got it.
I agree. Ceasefire
Thanos's choices were his own and they were all blight & kind. He only could've either snapped all women or all men permanently.
nope... wasn't alive in the 90s but its sounds fun lol
You can always look at everything with 100 percent hindsight and see how perfectly it would have turned out. Coulda, shoulda and woulda is never the way to go.
That's half the fun of being a fan. The nitpick is the best part.
While this may. begood and realistic, I'm happy Earth is not part of star wars. If these battles were wars, there would be billions of characters XD
Or…. She could have been homelander
I just legit watched this movie 😂😂
Yeah, I don't think this theory would really work. It relies on the Kree and the A.I. to want to do good over everything else, and would require the A.I. to be ok with Captain Marvel being in charge. I love this channel, but this video isn't one of your best.