SSDs are prohibitively expensive for offline, long term storage of large amounts of data. I only use SSDs for working files, and once I'm done I archive my projects onto multiple less expensive HDDs with RAID for redundancy. That then gets backed up to to the cloud. See my latest video for a full breakdown. ☺️
What he meant to say is that SSDs have a limited amount of reads and writes they can perform. After it reaches (around) that limit, the drive becomes a brick and you can't do anything with it anymore except maybe look at it and cry if you didn't have backups of your backups.
SSDs are not suitable for long term data storage because they store data as an electric charge and when ssd is kept for a long time without power some of charge may leak out and you may loose your data or data might get unusable. Ssd companies guarantee 1 year data retention without power.
So you mean when we install ssd on our laptop and if we do not open our laptop for a year, data will be lost? And in worst case if I have OS installed in there, that will also get lost?
Don´t worry. I use SSD´s since 2015 and even my oldest intenso 256 GB SSD has all files fully intact. I never had any file loss on any SSD or NVMe, while in the meantime one mechanical drive has bitten the dust. If the data is extremely valuable and important there is still the possibility to recover a dead mechanical drive for a few thousand dollars in some recovery center (I don´t know if this is possible with an SSD) so that is one huge plus for mechanical drives :)
I never use SSD for storage. I'm using old Samsung M3 HDD (gotten free 7 years ago) and still working fine. Good to here your SSD is durable since 2015.
Most of the time when SSDs fail, it's due to bad electronics supporting the nand, and a repair shop can just repair the faulty component, or transplant the NAND chips on an identical board, and boom data back. People get so wrapped up in "Oh QLC SSDs can handle fewer read write cycles" yeah and that amount is still far far more than most will use it for in it's lifetime. For example, the SSD in my main system, the Crucial P3 Plus, has a rated terrabytes written of 220. In the 6 months I've been using it for video editing and as a boot drive, I've only racked up 7.7TB written. Meaning according to the rated spec, it should last 14 years... however realistically I'll need more storage long before 14 years is up, and if it fails before then, more than likely it's not the NAND, it's the controller chip or power circuitry, in which case well it can be recovered just like any old hard drive. In fact, potentially easier. Just pull off the 2 chips and slap em on a donor board. Very easy.
Long term archiving is better on HDD. If the controller breaks you can get it fixed as the data is magnetic stored on disk. If a controller on an SSD goes you will have no luck trying to get that data back.
That's not true. Data recovery labs can very easily transplant the NAND to a donor board, or replace the controller chip, whatever is needed. In fact I'd argue that in some cases, provided you have the right tools, data recovery is far easier on SSDs.
Maby you're not aware that ssd drives are used in NAS units today since the price per GB has significantly droped. Also ssd's loke the seagate firecuda 530 have up to 5000 TBW. Meaning that you can write and delete 90% of the drive every single day for 5 years without voiding the warranty.
here's what never to do. rely on a nas. mechanical discs break more easily than ssd discs (difficult to corrupt with temperatures, magnets, shocks, water, etc.)
I don't understand the negative comments! I thought it was common knowledge that ssd aren't good for achieving or backup without power, Hdds are more reliable in that regard.
Managing your important files is crucial. Some people take this very lightly until they lose their files. Files need to be managed hybrid (offline + cloud).
The problem's I've seen reported are specifically with the latest gen 4TB models. I don't personally own a 4TB SanDisk, so haven't run into this problem
Don't say why or anything! Your NAS isn't a long term solution either. People will disagree but my long term was burning to discs. I have data on discs I burned nearly 20 years ago and it's still perfect. I can't say the same for any flash drive, NAND or hard drive though. NAND has a limited number of read/write so I guess a relatively newish one will keep your data safe for years but they are all prone to some malfunction or other.
Hot take! Hot take! A bit misleading. I think the lesson is actually to have a backup copy and not use a single portable drive for long term storage. SSD or otherwise. SSDs are actually better for long-term storage than HDDs because HDDs are more prone to failure. SSD raids are about to become common place as the price comes down.
Wait what??? I paid $153 for that drive!!! I'm gonna go complain immediately if not for long term storage. Jesus christ! I need help to either fix for long term or what.
Sometimes I don't believe this type of video. I am not that super tech person. I do have old Samsung HDD M3 I have gotten for free 7years ago and I'm still using it now only slow speed in the process. Even super good tech doesn't last long compared to unpopular brand lol. This is my personal experience.😊
Solid State Drives store information using energy. Energy can dissipate. Hard Drives store information with magnetic charges. Doesn’t dissipate unless subjected to another magnet.
When shopping around for mine I was shook because I didn't know the level of unreliability these have. There was not 1 single brand (even big name brands) I checked that didn't have hundreds of comments talking about how the drive died out of nowhere, stopped reading after a few months, lost data forever, etc. I know a lot of factors go into this but it's scary not knowing if you'll lose your data any day.
I mean any data storage that is long-term is at risk if it is single. You're NAS is only as safe as one of the drives and it's raid configuration. If you're working professionally you should definitely back it up in multiple places. So it doesn't really matter what your render or work drive is to be honest
NAS stands for Network Assisted Storage. In this device there are some hard drives connected and that device is connected to your ethernet cable allows you to acces your storage online from anywhere. It's like your personal cloud storage like Google Drive or Microsoft Onedrive.
Just remember to check up on it every 2 years. check its contents and scan for errors every two years. Its fine. my Toshiba 8gb usb flashdrive I bought way back in 2009 is still working. I have used this as storage, then as an Installer of Windows 7, and now Its currently full of ... totally legally procured audiobooks. ... but yeh, I dunno about these NEW storage devices. only time will tell. I wish i could say that you might be wrong, but i have seen too many new stuff break within only 5 years. Sandisk is usually high quality. Update us after your ssds actually dies and tell us its lifespan.
Since there's a few comments, this is my opportunity to ask. How often do you use your ND lens filter, is it every time you take photos or just for specific situations like a bright background?
Since I'm not rich to get me a Full NES, and I hate cloud, and the slowest speed of an hard drive... I switched all my backups to an E SSD. It's been 4 years, and I lost 4 hard drives.. my SSD is still going.
Check the Backblaze reports on mean time between failure for drives. I'm sure that over the last year or so they now have enough date to prove SSDs are at least as reliable if not more reliable than HDDs
Mac sucks. I shouldn't be forced to rent cloud space from them. Create a document? Download a pic? They scoop it right up. Then one day you're standing there after their advisors messed around and can't get your stuff out of their cloud.
Ok I don't want to get into the childish Mac v PC BS but I'm using a mac as a daily driver and I pay them nothing for cloud storage zero issues. You can't make sweeping statements like that. On the other hand I use a Windows laptop with the people I work with and the biggest issue I have......Onedrive. It is spectacularly bad, slow to sync, sometimes doesn't bother to sync some files at all, often getting conflicting files and it's not just me its 3 people. When I was using Google Drive, Dropbox and icloud no issues.
I have an HDD that’s 15 years old just with photos on it that’s still kicking. I’m going to buy an SSD however just to transfer everything over for longevity purposes. Because I know the HDD will eventually fail.
This is not a new issue. Most of designers always working with ssd but always hiding their videos with an 2tb wd my passport. SSD always have a short lifetime. But wd can live more than 10 years.
have 2 1tb hard drives ,both gone to click of death and lost all data ,luckily backed up. have an old ssd in box 2 years wasn't powered on ,should be all data gone but all good ,it's an mmc not tlc tho
You can use them but u should considder that the form of saving data needs every now and then some electricity and they ofcourse dont last like the Special crafted hdds but you. Can ask Google make some Research an Look up what is more important for you (Modern cloud Companys using ssds)
what happens if i have ssd and hdd, my system files are in ssd, i removed ssd and turned on the system? im asking this because my old laptop is damaged so i need to take the ssd to my new lap, but also in future if i repair old laptop i need to use it as a secondary lap without inserting the ssd. any thoughts?
I use external ssds to dump my SSD cards on to while I’m out on a shoot, to transfer files between computers, game drive for my steamdeck because I’m not opening that thing up and extra storage for my 64 gb iPad
For proper data back up you should have a local backup and an offsite backup just in case of fire or whatever. Good way to do that is cloud storage, even though its technically not the proper way, it's better than not doing it.
All drives eventually fail, be they spinning drives or ssd’s !!! Moral of the story is have multiple backups in different locations with at least one off site.
This has nothing to do with SSDs but with data redundancy. A raid 6 or z2 or similar is solid whether using SSDs or HDDs. smh Also off-site backups etc pp before someone complains 😅
I would rather use these than an hdd because they are way more frigid r so you can’t really move them around and they always end up breaking within a few years for me
Yeah... Uh....SSDs are a much better storage medium than hdds. But then again you're a Mac guy so you pay 10x the price for the same hardware. I see why you'd not use ssds for cold storage.
So what is a a good long term storage for things. One that doesn't have a baby ass minor amount of storage. Also made by someone who has intelligence. Something that's been masterfully created so its simple and efficient to use.
No data loss,proper storage and software efficiency,no random disconnects no shit the greedy people of the world caused to inconvenience these lovely products.
Exactly. If you die and your Gmail account stays inactive, then your Gmail account will be gone in 2 years which means your google photos, drive, TH-cam channel will follow
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SSDs are prohibitively expensive for offline, long term storage of large amounts of data. I only use SSDs for working files, and once I'm done I archive my projects onto multiple less expensive HDDs with RAID for redundancy. That then gets backed up to to the cloud. See my latest video for a full breakdown. ☺️
What he meant to say is that SSDs have a limited amount of reads and writes they can perform. After it reaches (around) that limit, the drive becomes a brick and you can't do anything with it anymore except maybe look at it and cry if you didn't have backups of your backups.
SSDs are not suitable for long term data storage because they store data as an electric charge and when ssd is kept for a long time without power some of charge may leak out and you may loose your data or data might get unusable. Ssd companies guarantee 1 year data retention without power.
Thank u. That was helpful.
So you mean when we install ssd on our laptop and if we do not open our laptop for a year, data will be lost? And in worst case if I have OS installed in there, that will also get lost?
@@devajeetega there's a chance that it might happen.
@@devajeetega crazy huh like why make something that will potentially lose data meant to be stored as its called storage device
@@OwaisAbbasiMrWOLFthen explain me why phones that were unpowered for half a decade could power on easily like new and they're nand based like SSD .
Don´t worry. I use SSD´s since 2015 and even my oldest intenso 256 GB SSD has all files fully intact. I never had any file loss on any SSD or NVMe, while in the meantime one mechanical drive has bitten the dust. If the data is extremely valuable and important there is still the possibility to recover a dead mechanical drive for a few thousand dollars in some recovery center (I don´t know if this is possible with an SSD) so that is one huge plus for mechanical drives :)
I never use SSD for storage. I'm using old Samsung M3 HDD (gotten free 7 years ago) and still working fine.
Good to here your SSD is durable since 2015.
Thanx
Most of the time when SSDs fail, it's due to bad electronics supporting the nand, and a repair shop can just repair the faulty component, or transplant the NAND chips on an identical board, and boom data back. People get so wrapped up in "Oh QLC SSDs can handle fewer read write cycles" yeah and that amount is still far far more than most will use it for in it's lifetime. For example, the SSD in my main system, the Crucial P3 Plus, has a rated terrabytes written of 220. In the 6 months I've been using it for video editing and as a boot drive, I've only racked up 7.7TB written. Meaning according to the rated spec, it should last 14 years... however realistically I'll need more storage long before 14 years is up, and if it fails before then, more than likely it's not the NAND, it's the controller chip or power circuitry, in which case well it can be recovered just like any old hard drive. In fact, potentially easier. Just pull off the 2 chips and slap em on a donor board. Very easy.
Long term archiving is better on HDD. If the controller breaks you can get it fixed as the data is magnetic stored on disk. If a controller on an SSD goes you will have no luck trying to get that data back.
That's not true. Data recovery labs can very easily transplant the NAND to a donor board, or replace the controller chip, whatever is needed. In fact I'd argue that in some cases, provided you have the right tools, data recovery is far easier on SSDs.
Maby you're not aware that ssd drives are used in NAS units today since the price per GB has significantly droped. Also ssd's loke the seagate firecuda 530 have up to 5000 TBW. Meaning that you can write and delete 90% of the drive every single day for 5 years without voiding the warranty.
Spinning drives aren’t exactly known to be reliable either. If you want the best backup you might as well build a NAS with a redundant array of ssds.
Thnq🎉
here's what never to do. rely on a nas. mechanical discs break more easily than ssd discs (difficult to corrupt with temperatures, magnets, shocks, water, etc.)
I don't understand the negative comments! I thought it was common knowledge that ssd aren't good for achieving or backup without power, Hdds are more reliable in that regard.
Managing your important files is crucial. Some people take this very lightly until they lose their files. Files need to be managed hybrid (offline + cloud).
The reported problems are related to said drives being unreadable by Apple (iMac, I assume), right? These Sandisk SSD's are perfectly fine with PC's.
The problem's I've seen reported are specifically with the latest gen 4TB models. I don't personally own a 4TB SanDisk, so haven't run into this problem
Don't say why or anything! Your NAS isn't a long term solution either. People will disagree but my long term was burning to discs. I have data on discs I burned nearly 20 years ago and it's still perfect. I can't say the same for any flash drive, NAND or hard drive though. NAND has a limited number of read/write so I guess a relatively newish one will keep your data safe for years but they are all prone to some malfunction or other.
Hot take! Hot take!
A bit misleading. I think the lesson is actually to have a backup copy and not use a single portable drive for long term storage. SSD or otherwise.
SSDs are actually better for long-term storage than HDDs because HDDs are more prone to failure. SSD raids are about to become common place as the price comes down.
Wait what???
I paid $153 for that drive!!!
I'm gonna go complain immediately if not for long term storage.
Jesus christ!
I need help to either fix for long term or what.
Sometimes I don't believe this type of video. I am not that super tech person. I do have old Samsung HDD M3 I have gotten for free 7years ago and I'm still using it now only slow speed in the process.
Even super good tech doesn't last long compared to unpopular brand lol.
This is my personal experience.😊
@@adnansamsudin9008
I'm gonna cry seriously.
😭😭😭
well if you have made a purchase might as well use it. I believe you have made a good purchase. 😊
Solid State Drives store information using energy. Energy can dissipate. Hard Drives store information with magnetic charges. Doesn’t dissipate unless subjected to another magnet.
Is it good for External SSD to have Partition????
Hey, just curious since I think Ive only seen digital photography videos from you, have you ever shot on film and if so, any words?
When shopping around for mine I was shook because I didn't know the level of unreliability these have. There was not 1 single brand (even big name brands) I checked that didn't have hundreds of comments talking about how the drive died out of nowhere, stopped reading after a few months, lost data forever, etc. I know a lot of factors go into this but it's scary not knowing if you'll lose your data any day.
I mean any data storage that is long-term is at risk if it is single. You're NAS is only as safe as one of the drives and it's raid configuration. If you're working professionally you should definitely back it up in multiple places. So it doesn't really matter what your render or work drive is to be honest
Now we need a response to what a NAS is
NAS stands for Network Assisted Storage. In this device there are some hard drives connected and that device is connected to your ethernet cable allows you to acces your storage online from anywhere. It's like your personal cloud storage like Google Drive or Microsoft Onedrive.
@@ShubhenduXD oh like Synology? Do you have experience with a NAS?
@@easolstice yes. My friend has a NAS. Apart from that I haven't used it either.
I have a “data center” which contains 4 NASes, I used it to store photos, videos, software I make, ect
He's that rapper that everyone thinks is so great
NICE - I didn’t think of that - use them as backup more so than a main source.
16tb drives are like $200. Don't get anything below x16 seagate drives. Get WD if you can afford it.
Just remember to check up on it every 2 years. check its contents and scan for errors every two years.
Its fine. my Toshiba 8gb usb flashdrive I bought way back in 2009 is still working. I have used this as storage, then as an Installer of Windows 7, and now Its currently full of ... totally legally procured audiobooks.
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but yeh, I dunno about these NEW storage devices. only time will tell. I wish i could say that you might be wrong, but i have seen too many new stuff break within only 5 years. Sandisk is usually high quality. Update us after your ssds actually dies and tell us its lifespan.
What is the best way to store data long term ?
thats my question too hahah
prly cloud
Are there any casualties of this "Hypothesis"?......
Since there's a few comments, this is my opportunity to ask. How often do you use your ND lens filter, is it every time you take photos or just for specific situations like a bright background?
Typically just when you are in extremely bright environments
Since I'm not rich to get me a Full NES, and I hate cloud, and the slowest speed of an hard drive... I switched all my backups to an E SSD. It's been 4 years, and I lost 4 hard drives.. my SSD is still going.
What cloud service?
So what’s the point of having one then lol
I read somewhere that if an SSD dies, the data is lost forever. Which is not the case for HDDs.
Flash memory is overall just better. Disk memory IS written, but it’s way more likely to be destroyed
What cloud storage for this high volume storage?
Check the Backblaze reports on mean time between failure for drives. I'm sure that over the last year or so they now have enough date to prove SSDs are at least as reliable if not more reliable than HDDs
Can you make a video about your first camera setup?? 😅
so, clouds is the best storage for our file right now ? better than HDD and SSD?
You need to power on the SSD drive you're using at least a couple times a year, so the drive doesn't get data corruption.
What NAS do you use?
What cloud storage are you using
I’ve heard of those Sandisk SSDs failing for many people. A Samsung T7 shield should last much longer
Mac sucks. I shouldn't be forced to rent cloud space from them. Create a document? Download a pic? They scoop it right up. Then one day you're standing there after their advisors messed around and can't get your stuff out of their cloud.
Ok I don't want to get into the childish Mac v PC BS but I'm using a mac as a daily driver and I pay them nothing for cloud storage zero issues. You can't make sweeping statements like that. On the other hand I use a Windows laptop with the people I work with and the biggest issue I have......Onedrive.
It is spectacularly bad, slow to sync, sometimes doesn't bother to sync some files at all, often getting conflicting files and it's not just me its 3 people. When I was using Google Drive, Dropbox and icloud no issues.
I have an HDD that’s 15 years old just with photos on it that’s still kicking. I’m going to buy an SSD however just to transfer everything over for longevity purposes. Because I know the HDD will eventually fail.
how do you back up these to the NAS. been trying to find a quicker way then wifi. my wifi sucks...
Do you have a video on your nas or links to it?
And what is nas firstly? I didn’t understand! Anytime please explain me
This is not a new issue. Most of designers always working with ssd but always hiding their videos with an 2tb wd my passport. SSD always have a short lifetime. But wd can live more than 10 years.
OK what should I use instead? I need something for the long term storage 😢
have 2 1tb hard drives ,both gone to click of death and lost all data ,luckily backed up. have an old ssd in box 2 years wasn't powered on ,should be all data gone but all good ,it's an mmc not tlc tho
Do you have a video showing how you manage the projects or may be the procedure u use, from taking photos, to handing over to clients?
You can use them but u should considder that the form of saving data needs every now and then some electricity and they ofcourse dont last like the Special crafted hdds but you. Can ask Google make some Research an Look up what is more important for you
(Modern cloud Companys using ssds)
“Dont” I said Just “Dont” period
I know this is a very noob question but was is NAAS?
amazing stuff.
SSD is so much safer than Hard Discs, its just that it is more expencive. Price is the only downside of SSD.
What is a NAS?
Damn!! Yesterday I bought a 4TB Crucial internal SSD on Amazon to enclose my photos and videos. I also have 2HDD for backups and a portable ssd. 😅
if you dont have a local network. what will you use then?
Basically he is saying back stuff up or else.
Can you make a video about which samsang SSD is best for working drives and projects please!!
what happens if i have ssd and hdd, my system files are in ssd, i removed ssd and turned on the system? im asking this because my old laptop is damaged so i need to take the ssd to my new lap, but also in future if i repair old laptop i need to use it as a secondary lap without inserting the ssd. any thoughts?
Confusing statement "willing to lose"? Why would you be willing to lose any of your files?
I use external ssds to dump my SSD cards on to while I’m out on a shoot, to transfer files between computers, game drive for my steamdeck because I’m not opening that thing up and extra storage for my 64 gb iPad
So what's a NAS.... Not very helpful
he didnt explain why, also only applies to older ssds really
"willing to lose" Wow, you have such projects ? 🤣🤣🤣
why do you use cloud if you have nas?
For proper data back up you should have a local backup and an offsite backup just in case of fire or whatever. Good way to do that is cloud storage, even though its technically not the proper way, it's better than not doing it.
@@LaveaFirmis the reason why I physical store mu data is I hate big tech companies.
2nd nas bro
What's a nas
What was wrong with the DVD, not making enough money. Last longer then the crap being sold now. I'd even like the floppy back.
What is other options beside NAS if not in office
U didn’t explain WHY it’s a bad idea to store something in SSD for long term.
Why not though? SSDs are more trust worthy than SD Cards. My sd cards fail all the time.
I think forgot to mention that long term is not for SSD as a reliability?
Can we use this ssd on our android phones?
I’m not "willing to loose" anything either! 😂
😂Why those drives look like phone pouches
All drives eventually fail, be they spinning drives or ssd’s !!!
Moral of the story is have multiple backups in different locations with at least one off site.
Whats a NAS?
don't use your NAS to backup your projects. no reason why, just don't
This has nothing to do with SSDs but with data redundancy. A raid 6 or z2 or similar is solid whether using SSDs or HDDs. smh
Also off-site backups etc pp before someone complains 😅
Wait. "Willing to lose"?
Did you mean to say "not willing to lose"?
I using it but my mac does not anymore seach spotlight this drive..
U mean not willing to loose right?
I would rather use these than an hdd because they are way more frigid r so you can’t really move them around and they always end up breaking within a few years for me
First step: have a NAS😂😂
What is NAS?
Huh? So why Not: Don't use Solid State Drives for Long Term Storage?!
Isn't NAS comprises of HDD?.. No use of putting then in the NAS.
Imagine sifting through 500gigs of data on the workspace 😂
So in short never have one point of failure and make backups in various ways.
Review your NAS
Whatus a NAS?
Yeah... Uh....SSDs are a much better storage medium than hdds. But then again you're a Mac guy so you pay 10x the price for the same hardware. I see why you'd not use ssds for cold storage.
I have to poop every morning, but i prefer to poop at night and i dont know why
You explained your storage routine but not mentioned anything abut downsides of long term storage, Whyyy, Whyyyyyy, Whyyyyyyy?????????
When ssd fails, it just becomes read only drive. It's much safer than traditional disk drive.
So what is a a good long term storage for things. One that doesn't have a baby ass minor amount of storage. Also made by someone who has intelligence. Something that's been masterfully created so its simple and efficient to use.
No data loss,proper storage and software efficiency,no random disconnects no shit the greedy people of the world caused to inconvenience these lovely products.
“ and then back up to Cloud “ seriously?
ive got a corsair ssd in my htpc been fine since 2011
What is a NAS????
your chances of losing your stuff on the cloud is way bigger a SSD Drive.
Exactly. If you die and your Gmail account stays inactive, then your Gmail account will be gone in 2 years which means your google photos, drive, TH-cam channel will follow
Don't buy it? Just use a real external ssd