Amazed by how in 130km/h feels like you're stoped intl the midle of the road, as here in Brazil ir you drive this speed feels like you're speed of light comparing ta other cars
Camera makes the speed look lower too. I cannot imagine zooming past a truck @90kph in the next lane when going 300+, it feels ridiculously fast when going 170 already :P
Maybe it isn't allowed but I regularly drive 200+ in the Netherlands. When you know where the police is, it's quite easy. Some simple highway basics and rules and you can speed whatever you like. Just don't do it on the ringroad of Rotterdam or Amsterdam. But the long stretches towards away from the Randstad area, some are even better to speed that the German autobahns. Because of better asphalt quality, better views in long corners (Germany has many times bad views in long curves on autobahns) and also in Netherlands are less long lasting roadworks. That is indeed the disatvantage of Germany. Roadworks take so long.
Yes! Random facts! :) I just got a speeding ticket two weeks ago and if I get another excessive speeding ticket in the next two years they can take my car away for two months. This time it was only a week. I am now learning how good fuel consumption is at the speed limit.
4:20 . it takes a few seconds for the gas cap to open because the gas tanks in PHEVs are pressurised and hermetically sealed. a PHEV can drive for months in electric only so the gas tank must trap the vapors that may form.
@@steffenkawa8374 I did 1L per km with the 488 GTB on track
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this is the best content from a automotive youtuber I have seen for a long long time! real car guy doing real car guy stuff. you should drive more on the road, thank you
This is a very interesting video Misha. It makes sense that the fuel efficiency does not decrease with the same proportion the speed increased which I will explain below if anyone is interested. The first part is that the relationship between fuel efficiency and speed is non-linear mainly due to the non-linearity of the resistive forces with increased speed. These resistive forces in modern day vehicles are typically dominated by air resistance. The formula for air resistance at a given speed is Fd = 0.5*p*(v^2)*Cd*A. In this case (assuming the air density is largely the same between runs) "p", "Cd" and "A" are constant values and can therefore be excluded for this comparison. This means that the drag force (Fd) is directly proportional to the square of the velocity (v). If we put some numbers into this theory, we can show that the linear relationship between 102 km/h and 164 km/h is ~1.61 whereas the relationship of the squares is ~2.59. This means the engine is having to do 2.59 times instead of 1.61 times more work just to overcome the increase in air resistance. Why is this relationship of the squares (2.59) not the same as the relationship of the fuel consumption figures (3.37)? Well, this leads to the second part, the ratios are not the same because combustion engines are designed to be more efficient at certain RPMs, usually cruising RPMs in the region of 2000 to 3500. I am not a chemical or powertrain engineer, so I cannot comment further on specifically how this works or why this range is chosen. However, what it means is that the RPM at 102 km/h is causing the engine to be relatively more efficient than at 164 km/h (made worse by the fact Misha was driving for some parts at 315 km/h with revs higher than 6000 RPM).
Very nice and informative video. Thank you Misha! I really like the fact that you did the return trip on sensible 130kmh speed which is very much applicable here in Finland at highways. This allows me to estimate how much such a car would consume and also gives idea how would be the panamera 4 e-hybrid sport turismo perform (I'm considering purchasing one).
Thank you for this test, because I was considering to buy me one and was afraid exactly about this, fuel consumption around 30 liters when going that fast. I do this twice a month with a slightly slower car, an Audi A8L V8 diesel, vmax 285 km/h and my average speed on a 700 km distance is 156 km/h which is some less than yours 166 km/h, but the exciting thing is that I just consume about 12-13 liters of diesel for going that fast AND I need no refuel on that 700 km. So talking about efficiency, diesel rules.
To give a comparison these consumption numbers are exactly the same in my 2017 Fiesta ST between normal road use and track use. The fact that Porsche can make a V8 powered, 700hp, four door, luxury vehicle have the same fuel consumption as my little two door hot hatch is incredible.
I purchased the 2022 Porsche Panamera 4 e-Hybrid Sport Turismo (November Delivery) which has only 462HP but with stage 1 ECU tune this can be increased quite easily to 600HP for a cost of about EUR1,200. Will do some test runs later in the year or early next year to see V/max difference pre and post ECU Tune.
As somebody who spent a great deal of time getting up early and driving hard in Germany, the statistic I worked off was minutes per tank. The trick to a high average speed was balancing the time spent in the gas station against the time on the Autobahnen. Last stop was critical, don't overfill, it costs you time.
You derived a factor of 3.37 between those numbers. That comes from a simple drag force formula where velocity is squared == energy needed increases in x^2 fashion. So you double the speed you need, you quadruple the fuel need.
170 average speed 😱 that is insane. Also to be fair these prices are not ‚normal‘ in germany bc normally you wouldn‘t go to the gas station on the Autobahn. In my opinion the dark gopro shots look really beautiful and everything is still good visible. Another really good video 👍🏻
Dude, i used a screenshot of the clip at 0:25 as a wallpaper for half a year till i lost the phone. Such a nice Sky, blaue stunde and by the way 87,7 meter per second...
Great vid - thank's for not leaving it in the archive ! Aren't you afraid of hitting some deere at 4:30 AM with more than 300km/h, Misha...? ...I didn't have those questions until I reached my actual age and saw a lot of animal accidents on the BAB's where I did a few thousand kilometers the last years between 4 AM and 8:30 AM for a 600KM trip to visit my son...- by the way: fuel consumption was max. 11l/100km with average speed of 167 km/h, BMW 125d ;-)
With our 110km/h limits in Australia, given your 7.1 @ 100km/hr, I'd imagine seeing around 7.5 l/100km. In real world conditions, and with 680hp, that number, for a serious sports car, would leave most diesels crying by the side of the road in shame over here.
Misha the analyst, a role you play well! And just a bit of advice... If you are going to drive slow, bring someone along. Preferably someone you REALLY want to spend time with.
I was eager to know what maxing it out in combination with refuelling meant for the bottom line difference in trip time. Logically, one does need to stop once in a while, hence on the ‘normal’ return trip, where no fuel stops were needed, the trip time of 22:33 - 17:32= 5:01 also includes a healthy 12 minutes pitstop, added to the 4:49 driving time. That brings the total trip time difference to 1:43, quite significant! Looking at fuel cost only, one should definitely floor it to achieve the shortest trip time, if a billable hour at the destination returns over €123,14 per hour! Just joking. Enjoyed the video, would love to do such a lengthy autobahn trip in such a short timespan myself sometime!
Thanks for this, quite interesting. Oddly I found a similar 3-fold increase... well decrease in efficiency on my E36 328i track car, for a large part of it's early life it has had it's standard onboard computer and I would often reset it before driving to the track. It would avergae 9.8l/100km there and/or back home but average 29l/100km on track. Keep up the awesome content, might see you guys in May depending on travel restrictions at the time 🤞🏻🤞🏻
The whole world will be an easier place if everyone changes to litres and kilometers. If you drove at an indicated 120kph, I am sure you will get 8l/100 which is very good for that large capacity engine. In the UK they sell petrol in litres but the cars still show miles per gallon. It’s about time the government asks manufacturers to change the on board computers to miles per litre
@@MacXpert74 yes and kilowatts and Newton meters ,as horsepower makes a car sound much stronger than what it is, how do they know what one horse = 1 horse power
@@kenrossaukrsa I've read somewhere that an average horse actually has more horse power than 1 hp, making the hp standard rather strange and confusing. 😅
I can't imagine having that much HP, an empty autobahn, and not making the pedal touch the floor mat. Props Misha!! 👏👏👏
Really interesting video mate!
Cheers mate
Amazed by how in 130km/h feels like you're stoped intl the midle of the road, as here in Brazil ir you drive this speed feels like you're speed of light comparing ta other cars
Camera makes the speed look lower too. I cannot imagine zooming past a truck @90kph in the next lane when going 300+, it feels ridiculously fast when going 170 already :P
really like the editing and presentation your doing here misha 👍
"Looking at you, Netherlands" :🤣🤣
Stelletje gekken hier..... ‘co2 uitstoot reduceren’
@@mauritsphilipse5884 ff de hele wereld redden met 17 mil man. Man man man.
@@mgcharoudin Waar en hoe heb je Nederlands geleerd?! Taalwonder Misha, Nederlands, Duits, Engels, Russisch. Legend!
@@mgcharoudin Precies, milieugekkies in Nederland denken dat ze de wereld kunnen redden. LOL!
Maybe it isn't allowed but I regularly drive 200+ in the Netherlands. When you know where the police is, it's quite easy. Some simple highway basics and rules and you can speed whatever you like. Just don't do it on the ringroad of Rotterdam or Amsterdam. But the long stretches towards away from the Randstad area, some are even better to speed that the German autobahns. Because of better asphalt quality, better views in long corners (Germany has many times bad views in long curves on autobahns) and also in Netherlands are less long lasting roadworks. That is indeed the disatvantage of Germany. Roadworks take so long.
Undoubtful proof it was recorded pre-corona: As you can see i'm fresh and fruity :D
i wonder what's the freshness to fruitiness ratio
Daddy's Porsche again? 🤣
HAHAHA Great memory! Remember when car meets was a thing?
Actually, Daddy's Porsche was the non-Turbo I had before this one.
@@mgcharoudin it was non Turbo yep :)
What a dumb jelaous coment
Really dig the glasses lol.. very suitable when explaining vehicle specs...Russian scientist look😁
Doing 300kmh an hour and still notice take time to love the scenery especially the sky!!!
Many after my own heart
Great video
I'd love a comparison with a big BMW or Audi diesel, something like a 335d or equally big Audi.
"You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" - and fast, with that Porsche :D Underrated Offspring album, loved to see it on Your playlist :)
It’s slightly weird how you’re morphing into a Robert clone......😂
😂😂😂😂
9:42 "And Mexico" made my day XD
Why Mexico?
My new favourite - Slavic Engineering Explained ♥️
This was better than most TV production car shows! Great work! Really smooth to watch
Fantastic video, love how easily you can switch between fun track videos and more in-depth analysis like this.
Yes! Random facts! :) I just got a speeding ticket two weeks ago and if I get another excessive speeding ticket in the next two years they can take my car away for two months. This time it was only a week. I am now learning how good fuel consumption is at the speed limit.
4:20 . it takes a few seconds for the gas cap to open because the gas tanks in PHEVs are pressurised and hermetically sealed.
a PHEV can drive for months in electric only so the gas tank must trap the vapors that may form.
Really enjoyed watching this test, thank you Misha! 😊
Great video. I think we need more video like this for guide us what car to buy for long drive.
Thank you Misha, that was really helpful. You clearly know what you are talking about.
Quite interesting, glad you finally released it!
Just watching this, found it super interesting!
I'd reckon that fuel consumption while driving at the Ring is even higher than at Vmax.
Yeah close to 1L per km
much higher. My tiny 1.8 supercharged Toyota engine gets 6mpg at the Hockenheimring.
@@steffenkawa8374 I did 1L per km with the 488 GTB on track
this is the best content from a automotive youtuber I have seen for a long long time! real car guy doing real car guy stuff. you should drive more on the road, thank you
i've always wanted to know that, seriously! thx :D
This is a very interesting video Misha. It makes sense that the fuel efficiency does not decrease with the same proportion the speed increased which I will explain below if anyone is interested.
The first part is that the relationship between fuel efficiency and speed is non-linear mainly due to the non-linearity of the resistive forces with increased speed. These resistive forces in modern day vehicles are typically dominated by air resistance. The formula for air resistance at a given speed is Fd = 0.5*p*(v^2)*Cd*A. In this case (assuming the air density is largely the same between runs) "p", "Cd" and "A" are constant values and can therefore be excluded for this comparison. This means that the drag force (Fd) is directly proportional to the square of the velocity (v). If we put some numbers into this theory, we can show that the linear relationship between 102 km/h and 164 km/h is ~1.61 whereas the relationship of the squares is ~2.59. This means the engine is having to do 2.59 times instead of 1.61 times more work just to overcome the increase in air resistance. Why is this relationship of the squares (2.59) not the same as the relationship of the fuel consumption figures (3.37)?
Well, this leads to the second part, the ratios are not the same because combustion engines are designed to be more efficient at certain RPMs, usually cruising RPMs in the region of 2000 to 3500. I am not a chemical or powertrain engineer, so I cannot comment further on specifically how this works or why this range is chosen. However, what it means is that the RPM at 102 km/h is causing the engine to be relatively more efficient than at 164 km/h (made worse by the fact Misha was driving for some parts at 315 km/h with revs higher than 6000 RPM).
Great video and nice analysis, cheers
i would like to see more of these kind of videos really enjoyed it , Thx misha !
I tell you man, when you have more patience than me. If I see empty straight, I go BRAP BRAP ZOOOM! As always, amazing videos Comrad!!
Found your channel today. These are exactly the kinds of videos I'm looking for, especially for a Dream Estate. Thank you!
Huge respect for doing this. Thank you!
Nice observations. I actually like the low ISO night time exposure. Germany is beautiful.
Class video misha 🙌🙌what a car 😎great vid as ever nice mixing it up content wise 🙌🙌🙌😉
Great video, really interesting to see the real world difference.
I like this bro science analysis)) Миша красавчик!
Very nice and informative video. Thank you Misha! I really like the fact that you did the return trip on sensible 130kmh speed which is very much applicable here in Finland at highways.
This allows me to estimate how much such a car would consume and also gives idea how would be the panamera 4 e-hybrid sport turismo perform (I'm considering purchasing one).
I miss the Autobahn! Cool comparison :)
I prefer this kind of presentation. Great video misha!
Evening Misha that was a well calculated fuel consumption review
I remember when you had this car and I knew you had more content from it. Love it!
Sehr interessantes Video.
Thank's! Have a nice evening ✌☺
I forgot that i was waiting for this video,
Thank you very much Misha !
That was really interesting, Misha. It was funny seeing you pop up on Super GT’s stream over the weekend.
Great great video Misha!
Thank you for this test, because I was considering to buy me one and was afraid exactly about this, fuel consumption around 30 liters when going that fast. I do this twice a month with a slightly slower car, an Audi A8L V8 diesel, vmax 285 km/h and my average speed on a 700 km distance is 156 km/h which is some less than yours 166 km/h, but the exciting thing is that I just consume about 12-13 liters of diesel for going that fast AND I need no refuel on that 700 km. So talking about efficiency, diesel rules.
One of my favourite cars...
To give a comparison these consumption numbers are exactly the same in my 2017 Fiesta ST between normal road use and track use. The fact that Porsche can make a V8 powered, 700hp, four door, luxury vehicle have the same fuel consumption as my little two door hot hatch is incredible.
That was pretty interesting ! I’m subscribed now! Thank you for that video.
I purchased the 2022 Porsche Panamera 4 e-Hybrid Sport Turismo (November Delivery) which has only 462HP but with stage 1 ECU tune this can be increased quite easily to 600HP for a cost of about EUR1,200. Will do some test runs later in the year or early next year to see V/max difference pre and post ECU Tune.
how it is?
its crazy that my e36 325tds with 143 ps uses around 7 L per 100 km and this 680 ps rocketsship can match that. very impressive.
Tech improved a lot in 30 years :p
And I'm watching this 2 years later.
Bravo for this (fast and not furious) test Misha. Both variations of a theme, really interesting. This could become a standard, like doug scores.
Excellent video - well done!
As somebody who spent a great deal of time getting up early and driving hard in Germany, the statistic I worked off was minutes per tank. The trick to a high average speed was balancing the time spent in the gas station against the time on the Autobahnen. Last stop was critical, don't overfill, it costs you time.
You derived a factor of 3.37 between those numbers. That comes from a simple drag force formula where velocity is squared == energy needed increases in x^2 fashion. So you double the speed you need, you quadruple the fuel need.
great video Misha. Shows there is a car that does most things pretty well.
Thanks a lot for your resarch
such an informative video. Loved it..thanks man!
170 average speed 😱 that is insane.
Also to be fair these prices are not ‚normal‘ in germany bc normally you wouldn‘t go to the gas station on the Autobahn.
In my opinion the dark gopro shots look really beautiful and everything is still good visible.
Another really good video 👍🏻
Dude, i used a screenshot of the clip at 0:25 as a wallpaper for half a year till i lost the phone. Such a nice Sky, blaue stunde and by the way 87,7 meter per second...
Great Video Micha
Great vid - thank's for not leaving it in the archive !
Aren't you afraid of hitting some deere at 4:30 AM with more than 300km/h, Misha...?
...I didn't have those questions until I reached my actual age and saw a lot of animal accidents on the BAB's where I did a few thousand kilometers the last years between 4 AM and 8:30 AM for a 600KM trip to visit my son...- by the way: fuel consumption was max. 11l/100km with average speed of 167 km/h, BMW 125d ;-)
Good guy! Good test! Thanks ;)
Awesome video mate, also love that car especially in the shaggin wagon, they look excellent, Rj watching from Oz
So, this is the Boosted Boris' smart cousin? Tunned Sergei!
13:40 i felt that, even in 2024
Porsche will thank you
Factors at the end = you're getting old Misha ;) (really cool video, cheers)
Echo: surprisingly interesting video. "Sport Plus, bye!"
I bet the guy in the Kia though he was pretty special by passing the dork in the Panamera Turbo S Hybrid creeping along in the slow lane. LOL
With our 110km/h limits in Australia, given your 7.1 @ 100km/hr, I'd imagine seeing around 7.5 l/100km. In real world conditions, and with 680hp, that number, for a serious sports car, would leave most diesels crying by the side of the road in shame over here.
O_O ... I think I'll stick to my diesel.
Misha the analyst, a role you play well! And just a bit of advice... If you are going to drive slow, bring someone along. Preferably someone you REALLY want to spend time with.
Good idea for the comparison 👍🏻
I was eager to know what maxing it out in combination with refuelling meant for the bottom line difference in trip time. Logically, one does need to stop once in a while, hence on the ‘normal’ return trip, where no fuel stops were needed, the trip time of 22:33 - 17:32= 5:01 also includes a healthy 12 minutes pitstop, added to the 4:49 driving time. That brings the total trip time difference to 1:43, quite significant! Looking at fuel cost only, one should definitely floor it to achieve the shortest trip time, if a billable hour at the destination returns over €123,14 per hour!
Just joking. Enjoyed the video, would love to do such a lengthy autobahn trip in such a short timespan myself sometime!
the old Lincoln i have is using 40-60L pr 100 at 200kmh. it have a lacy 7.4L V8 and 300-400hp somewhere.
Just love that car
The Price difference is insane
ahhahah the way back was a confortable torture
Thanks for this, quite interesting. Oddly I found a similar 3-fold increase... well decrease in efficiency on my E36 328i track car, for a large part of it's early life it has had it's standard onboard computer and I would often reset it before driving to the track. It would avergae 9.8l/100km there and/or back home but average 29l/100km on track.
Keep up the awesome content, might see you guys in May depending on travel restrictions at the time 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Is the mpg figures listed US mpg or UK? There are two different metrics just to make things even more confusing!
Why can't the world use the same unit it would be better for everyone
I REALLY appreciate you translating to freedom units.
great video!!
its crazy how efficient this car is
Great video
Smooth 👊🏻🥨
6:09 Misha switches to DIESEL for better efficiency. That's a true hybrid car!
Damm i didn't know it was that expensive!! Great video
The whole world will be an easier place if everyone changes to litres and kilometers. If you drove at an indicated 120kph, I am sure you will get 8l/100 which is very good for that large capacity engine. In the UK they sell petrol in litres but the cars still show miles per gallon. It’s about time the government asks manufacturers to change the on board computers to miles per litre
Just get rid of the miles altogether and start using the metric system. It's so much easier!
@@MacXpert74 yes and kilowatts and Newton meters ,as horsepower makes a car sound much stronger than what it is, how do they know what one horse = 1 horse power
@@kenrossaukrsa I've read somewhere that an average horse actually has more horse power than 1 hp, making the hp standard rather strange and confusing. 😅
@@MacXpert74 definately horsepower defies energy and force which is measured in watts lol
Thats turbo engines for you! :)
Interesting experiment 🙂 Can I ask the reason or justification for the increased price of fuel along the Autobarn ?
Supply and demand
Very cool!
15:20 for the Normal Run, the Euro and Dollar rate aint correct.
Pleas do the same test with the Taycan!
Interesting choice of music for the drive 😁
Notification Gang! We lit! 💪🏻
Wow thats some expensive ass gas. Even at the peak gas prices in 2008- 2009 gas was less than 6 bucks in california.
It'd about $6 a gallon here in the UK at the moment and that's the cheapest it has been for years .
1.93€ per litre HOLY S..T! That's the highest fuel price I have seen, ever (and yes, even for 102 Octane)
Cool video