For years, every time I watch your videos, I am so impressed at the disclosures at the beginning. I don’t know any other channel that has the integrity you continue to show. I love it. Much respect
One thing I LOVE about Lon's videos is that regardless of the circumstances, there is always a clear and concise transparency statement at the start of every product video (that not only addresses the source of the product, but also the particular circumstances which offer pertinent context).
Thanks for mentioning the blur effect being at the hardware level. That is something I always wonder about. That little bit of assuredness goes a long way. Great video and explanation behind the overall Plus designation. Thanks as always for the clear explanations and featureset!
What's interesting is the enhanced AI functionality for the Chromebook Plus devices but none of their processor include any intrinsic processor AI support, whereas my Acer Spin 513 Chromebook with a MediaTek Kompanio 1380 Processor includes a multicore AI processor on its APU, and with its 8GB RAM, 128 GB storage and 3GHz clock speeds, its performance is equivalent to an Intel core i3 / i5 processor (now its running a 64 bit version of Chrome OS).
We've just upgraded all our devices from Windows to Chromebook plus in our workplace. It's so easy to manage through google admin, and so integrated with Google Workspace. Everything just works, and security is much better than using Windows. If a device is not working, the user just has to log on to a new device, and every setting is the same as it was. The ability to use both Linux and Android apps is also a great plus. The only thing missing is Google stepping up and expanding common features for business tasks. Multi-document print for example, is still sorely lacking.
I've had several Chromebooks and have always seen them as kind of throwaway devices. The Chromebook Plus models don't really change my mind regarding their function or longevity.
Windoze and mac are throwaway devices- windoze buggy, full of holes, clunky, bodgy. I have had windoze every version since win 95. Fed up to the guts with windoze,incompatible, cemeashes, bsod on and on schitware..itsca car you need to crank start, adjust the valves, and tune ignition and spark olugs every few weeks. moved to macbook. Aka "wallet dipper" everything you want to do is a credit card payment- and mine has bricked now aswell, and the brand new mouse died. too. Expensive junk- a hi tech ( lol) straight jacket.
It definitely see some benefit to this kind of branding but a couple of concerns. 1> no arm chip requirements. Are those excellent Lenovo duet form factors going to be deprived of this software? This is especially wearing since the Snapdragon collaboration with Chromebooks was canceled. 2> I would have rather to screen brightness have been a minimum spec versus webcam criteria.
I have an ARM-based Acer Chromebook 514 which would otherwise almost meet the Plus criteria, but I'm very happy with it nontheless, especially with its' crazy battery life
Chromebook is getting more tempting for me... Esp since they can install Android and Linux apps. I mainly use my computer for web browsing, word processing, watching videos and listening to music only anyway.
Awesome video my arm based Duet 5 runs pretty good, hopefully Arm based processor makes the list soon. But when i had a i3 C340 it ran very well so a newer i3 should fly thru almost anything thrown at a chromebook
i just recently got on the chromebook wagon few weeks ago and while not a chrombeook plus with only 4gb of ram and 64gb of memory i am liking it. Probally upgrade to a plus at later date but least they seem to wanting to do more with chromebooks
I use to by pass Chromebooks since I needed laptops with Windows or MAC to do my thing's. Now that thing's have chaged this video has me rethink about Chromebooks. So I may get an Chromebook Plus for one the road use. I will keep thing's like the 4K video editing on my MAC Desktop.
Feels like it defeats the entire concept of chromebook if ya ask me. Feels like google determined theyve mustered up a large enough CB following that theyll opt for the hot rod model. Could be a shot in the foot i dunno.
Yeah, all this just feels like either nothing I need in a Chromebook or stuff I can already get much better in a Windows laptop. Chromebooks imho should continue to focus on being inexpensive, fast, having a really good battery life, compatibility with Android apps, and continuing to ensure long-term software updates.
No ARM-based options, which makes sense. I have an old ARM-based Chromebook, which I would love to put Debian (or really anything) on - but nothing supports my old ARM hardware. With Intel or AMD, combined with the given specs for Chrome+, one could expect to install some flavour of Linux after the Google useful life expires.
Forgot to add I'm sure many of these iusses will be fixed once everything is ARM. My Mac can run Windows apps but I need to get the Windows version of ARM to do so. I'm sure once we can buy an Windows 11 or Arm Blu-ray or USB Key at the loacl Best-Buy or Office Depot stores no one will have these issues.
I have a regular chromebook and the ai smart erase feature is available, but I have to subscribe for google one. On a chromebook plus device, do you have to pay?
Now they just need to support chrome os (plus) on the tablet devices and you got a perfect replacement for the Android, which tbh in my opinion is very lacking on tablets. 🎉 When it comes to laptops, I would still choose Windows or Macos over this. But, i might choose chrome os over regular linux distro, it seems much forgiving and easier to do basic stuff.
Great presentation. One quick question. I am looking at Chromebook Plus but max screen size of 13inch. I see most of them start at 14 inch screen size. Is that a requirement from google or just that it has not yet come on smaller size Chromebook. Thank you.
Mildly amusing how all the features are taken from Mac OS! But useful though. I do wonder if it's too late for ChromeOS. I used one as a daily driver for a few years, but not seen anyone using one in the wild for a long time. I wonder if it's going to end up on the "Killed By Google" list in a couple more years.
I just discovered your channel - subbed! I ordered the Acer 514 Chromebook with a touchscreen, Mediatek chip, 8gb of ram and 128gb emmc storage for $399 from Amazon. Just after they shipped the device, I found the same touchscreen model but with the AMD Ryzen chip, 8gb ram and a 256gb ssd for the same price. I wonder if I should order that model and return the emmc model? I'm not bothered by the extra storage but the type of storage: emmc v ssd. Does it make a difference with Chromebooks these days?
On a Chromebook it's not a huge difference unless you plan on doing a lot on the Linux side where you'll notice the IO differences. You'll also probably need the space too.
EU will mandate PC and phones to be easily repairable in a few years so I feel that it's better to wait for an upgrade unless it's super necessary (Lenovo conveniently announced they'll make their devices repairable by 2028)
You are better off to buy a non-chrome, used laptop and then loading it with Linux. That way there will be no question about it becoming obsolete or being under the control of google.
They are inexpensive, start up quick, have good battery life, have screens and keyboards, run Google's full productivity apps, browse the web, video conference, etc. So, yeah, but they fill an evolutionary niche branching off from more traditional laptops.
1:29 Dude, that 7 in the lower right of the AMD logo means Ryzen 7, as in Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7. Why didn't you use the Intel logo that said i7 in the bottom right if you're going to use the AMD logo with the 7 in the bottom right?
For years, every time I watch your videos, I am so impressed at the disclosures at the beginning. I don’t know any other channel that has the integrity you continue to show. I love it. Much respect
One thing I LOVE about Lon's videos is that regardless of the circumstances, there is always a clear and concise transparency statement at the start of every product video (that not only addresses the source of the product, but also the particular circumstances which offer pertinent context).
I appreciate that Google (for once) included recently purchased Chromebooks that met the spec. Assuming they don't drop the program in six months.
Thanks for mentioning the blur effect being at the hardware level. That is something I always wonder about. That little bit of assuredness goes a long way. Great video and explanation behind the overall Plus designation. Thanks as always for the clear explanations and featureset!
What's interesting is the enhanced AI functionality for the Chromebook Plus devices but none of their processor include any intrinsic processor AI support, whereas my Acer Spin 513 Chromebook with a MediaTek Kompanio 1380 Processor includes a multicore AI processor on its APU, and with its 8GB RAM, 128 GB storage and 3GHz clock speeds, its performance is equivalent to an Intel core i3 / i5 processor (now its running a 64 bit version of Chrome OS).
We've just upgraded all our devices from Windows to Chromebook plus in our workplace. It's so easy to manage through google admin, and so integrated with Google Workspace. Everything just works, and security is much better than using Windows. If a device is not working, the user just has to log on to a new device, and every setting is the same as it was. The ability to use both Linux and Android apps is also a great plus. The only thing missing is Google stepping up and expanding common features for business tasks. Multi-document print for example, is still sorely lacking.
love the video, glad you're covering this - I think it's a big step for chrome OS
I've had several Chromebooks and have always seen them as kind of throwaway devices. The Chromebook Plus models don't really change my mind regarding their function or longevity.
Windoze and mac are throwaway devices- windoze buggy, full of holes, clunky, bodgy. I have had windoze every version since win 95. Fed up to the guts with windoze,incompatible, cemeashes, bsod on and on schitware..itsca car you need to crank start, adjust the valves, and tune ignition and spark olugs every few weeks. moved to macbook. Aka "wallet dipper" everything you want to do is a credit card payment- and mine has bricked now aswell, and the brand new mouse died. too. Expensive junk- a hi tech ( lol) straight jacket.
Please open it up so we can see how easy or hard it is to make our own repairs or upgrades. RAM, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, POS SSD storage.
Been using my Acer CB311-9H for a couple of years. I really like it. Can see myself getting one of these new chromebook plus models.
It definitely see some benefit to this kind of branding but a couple of concerns. 1> no arm chip requirements. Are those excellent Lenovo duet form factors going to be deprived of this software? This is especially wearing since the Snapdragon collaboration with Chromebooks was canceled.
2> I would have rather to screen brightness have been a minimum spec versus webcam criteria.
Yeah for plus 500 nits
Peak and 300 full field white is probably what I would use as a requirement
This is a game-changer for Chromebooks.
I have an ARM-based Acer Chromebook 514 which would otherwise almost meet the Plus criteria, but I'm very happy with it nontheless, especially with its' crazy battery life
Does it run android app natively since it use ARM?
I can really see Chromebooks like these taking the place of traditional Windows laptops for non gamers.
Agreed. I prefer using my Chromebook for most things over windows. I still like office better than docs,sheets etc but I’m sure it’ll keep improving.
Keep up the great work
Chromebook is getting more tempting for me... Esp since they can install Android and Linux apps. I mainly use my computer for web browsing, word processing, watching videos and listening to music only anyway.
Awesome video my arm based Duet 5 runs pretty good, hopefully Arm based processor makes the list soon. But when i had a i3 C340 it ran very well so a newer i3 should fly thru almost anything thrown at a chromebook
Thank you for the clear explanation of this product. I was also thinking subscription at first.
i just recently got on the chromebook wagon few weeks ago and while not a chrombeook plus with only 4gb of ram and 64gb of memory i am liking it. Probally upgrade to a plus at later date but least they seem to wanting to do more with chromebooks
I use to by pass Chromebooks since I needed laptops with Windows or MAC to do my thing's. Now that thing's have chaged this video has me rethink about Chromebooks. So I may get an Chromebook Plus for one the road use. I will keep thing's like the 4K video editing on my MAC Desktop.
How would a ThinkPad T480 with Chrome Flex OS compare with a new Chromebook Plus?
Feels like it defeats the entire concept of chromebook if ya ask me. Feels like google determined theyve mustered up a large enough CB following that theyll opt for the hot rod model. Could be a shot in the foot i dunno.
Yeah, all this just feels like either nothing I need in a Chromebook or stuff I can already get much better in a Windows laptop. Chromebooks imho should continue to focus on being inexpensive, fast, having a really good battery life, compatibility with Android apps, and continuing to ensure long-term software updates.
@@ttrpg_nthusiast8709 nailed it...
No ARM-based options, which makes sense. I have an old ARM-based Chromebook, which I would love to put Debian (or really anything) on - but nothing supports my old ARM hardware. With Intel or AMD, combined with the given specs for Chrome+, one could expect to install some flavour of Linux after the Google useful life expires.
Do you know if the update Google pushes for Plus will apply to comparably specked chrome boxes as well?
Forgot to add I'm sure many of these iusses will be fixed once everything is ARM. My Mac can run Windows apps but I need to get the Windows version of ARM to do so. I'm sure once we can buy an Windows 11 or Arm Blu-ray or USB Key at the loacl Best-Buy or Office Depot stores no one will have these issues.
I have a regular chromebook and the ai smart erase feature is available, but I have to subscribe for google one. On a chromebook plus device, do you have to pay?
HELP!!! The latest ChromeOS update killed my ability to access Linux (Crouton) on my Acer 15 inch Chromebook. Any suggestions?
Thanks, I was curious
I am here to serve ! :)
Does that Chromebook Plus Can Connect with WiFi and Bluetooth for usings Backpacks and Messenger Bags
Now they just need to support chrome os (plus) on the tablet devices and you got a perfect replacement for the Android, which tbh in my opinion is very lacking on tablets. 🎉
When it comes to laptops, I would still choose Windows or Macos over this. But, i might choose chrome os over regular linux distro, it seems much forgiving and easier to do basic stuff.
Thanks Lon
Great presentation. One quick question. I am looking at Chromebook Plus but max screen size of 13inch. I see most of them start at 14 inch screen size. Is that a requirement from google or just that it has not yet come on smaller size Chromebook. Thank you.
I think that’s where they are landing.. my guess is the 1080p panels are harder to source at smaller sizes
@@LonSeidman Thanks for a prompt response
Damn I just got a HP Chromebook that has all the plus specifications, except it's a 720p front facing camera.
Mildly amusing how all the features are taken from Mac OS! But useful though. I do wonder if it's too late for ChromeOS. I used one as a daily driver for a few years, but not seen anyone using one in the wild for a long time. I wonder if it's going to end up on the "Killed By Google" list in a couple more years.
I think they're still very strong in education. My guess is they're trying to break out into a much more widely adopted consumer device.
Google is stuck with Chromebooks and they aren’t going away. They crush iPads in the edu space.
Owning Chromebook and Apple devices, i say it fits my uses. Chromebook as daily driver and Apple for graphics and music.
Has anyone here figured out how to remove write protection from newer Chromebooks? Flex 3i specifically.
I just discovered your channel - subbed!
I ordered the Acer 514 Chromebook with a touchscreen, Mediatek chip, 8gb of ram and 128gb emmc storage for $399 from Amazon. Just after they shipped the device, I found the same touchscreen model but with the AMD Ryzen chip, 8gb ram and a 256gb ssd for the same price. I wonder if I should order that model and return the emmc model? I'm not bothered by the extra storage but the type of storage: emmc v ssd. Does it make a difference with Chromebooks these days?
On a Chromebook it's not a huge difference unless you plan on doing a lot on the Linux side where you'll notice the IO differences. You'll also probably need the space too.
@@LonSeidman Thank you! Does emmc suffer from degradation or slowdown over time compared to ssd in chromebooks?
Can you run full Photoshop or Lightroom?
The AMD 7000 series requirement is pointless because of AMD's misleading naming, the 7000 series includes previous gen processors.
Former user of a Pixel Slate but i still cannot see a viable use for Chromebooks outside of business and light use.
Ignoring 11th gen machines seems kinda bs. Rocking an asus cx5 with an i7 and 16gb of ram and it doesn’t get these features.
We’re yet to see a Qualcomm processor in a laptop that performs near the level of Ryzen 5000 let alone 7000.
What's the benefits of Chromebooks?
Looks like Chromebook Plus lineups will be the ones that will be getting Steam support.
Kinda feels a lot like the philosophy the MSX computers from the 80s
This is a good observation! It's very similar to that in that there's a specification that everyone needs to follow to be able to call it an MSX.
Are they still limiting their updates to 5 years?
8 years
I rather liked my chrome "box" but they don't make them no more...
Honestly it's almost 2024 and I feel most things should strive for those specs at the bare minimum.
True, no need to have all the crappy laptops they still make today
EU will mandate PC and phones to be easily repairable in a few years so I feel that it's better to wait for an upgrade unless it's super necessary (Lenovo conveniently announced they'll make their devices repairable by 2028)
i'm not goin back to a chromebook until I can access my midi devices from the linux container
You are better off to buy a non-chrome, used laptop and then loading it with Linux. That way there will be no question about it becoming obsolete or being under the control of google.
It seems odd given the low price of memory, a lower limit of 500GB hasn't been set on the chromebook +
I like Chromebook They are basically Android for desktop it's better than those fudgie Android devices with keyboard
Chromebook is so slow
*Chromebooks aren't real computers. I don't care about the details. They need to stop being a thing that exists.*
They are inexpensive, start up quick, have good battery life, have screens and keyboards, run Google's full productivity apps, browse the web, video conference, etc.
So, yeah, but they fill an evolutionary niche branching off from more traditional laptops.
1:29 Dude, that 7 in the lower right of the AMD logo means Ryzen 7, as in Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7. Why didn't you use the Intel logo that said i7 in the bottom right if you're going to use the AMD logo with the 7 in the bottom right?