Like they say, "If you can't explain it to a 6 year old, you don't know it yourself" and he explained it very well. Just bought a UB-Xa and looked to connect my Minifreak. I haven't used midi ports in a long time. Had to come refresh my knowledge.
I’m glad Behringer did this video for those who maybe are or are not familiar with the idea of midi compared to usb.It can be helpful for those just beginning into the world of midi.Thank you for the informational video.
Wow dude you're an AMAZING teacher. This is probably one of the best tutorials on ANYTHING that I've ever watched. MIDI for me is complex to understand but you made it very understandable! Thank you
This is crazy..... I'm Lloyd Dorsey and I forgot that I even asked the question.... and here it is 3 years later that I run across this video!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought it was some type of block chain thing that I saw my name.......wowo......Thanks.
You guys are awesome for doing this. I use midi or cv primarily for sync/connections. My days of sitting on a bedroom floor with a pro-one, commodore 64, and tape deck may be long, long gone... but man.... where it has all taken us! I kinda hate that i grew up classic midi now that it makes me all old; but I love all your guys' great gear and the community available in here in the future. Appreciate ya all doin this vid! Best!
forgot a couple of things. I also use 2 Behringer stereo volume control pedals between the laptops and the power amplifiers. So I have 4 channel audio from 2 laptops and 4 keyboards and 1 pedalboard. Really fun, really shakes the house!!! Thanks!
Nice! If a synth doesn't include 5-pin MIDI support, is USB-MIDI only, it is instantly scratch off my wish list. I can play everything in my setup via a master MIDI keyboard and I have a MIDI Channel label on the face of the synths & sound modules for quick reference of the assigned channel. P.S. Daisy chaining with MIDI THRU is convenient, but then you need to power up all gear in the chain. A MIDI THRU box (one MIDI IN, many MIDI OUT) allows you to keep some gear off when not being used. And avoid introducing latency.
I started by daisy-chaining synths, then worked my way up to a MIDI expander connected to an Atari 1040st. USB wasn't even thought of yet. Great to see a video teaching MIDI beginning basics to the USB generation ;)
The Arturia Keystep is a Godsend in that it has both USB & MIDI I/O, even in a DAW-less land in which I operate. The midiIN also acts as a THRU: I’ve an MC-303 Groovebox I use as an over glorified Master Clock that sends clock data to AND through the Keystep to my modules & volcas
I need DIN MIDI on everything, and I'm tired of passing up sweet gear because of that USB-only MIDI BS. Thanks Behringer for KICKING BUTT!!! MIDI Merge is a definite plus!!
My 50+ keyboards/synths/modules are connected via four MOTU MIDI Express 128 USB to MIDI interfaces on my Mac Pro. They're all local off and I select in Digital Performer which instrument and channel I want to play on each every time. This means I can access all the remote gear from my Yamaha Motif XS7 master keyboard from the comfort of my chair. All are routed into my Yamaha LS-9 32 mixer (some via multiple 8 channel Behringer sub mixes). :)
Behringer are just killing the game right now. Totally listening to the end users with all the new synths coming out plus new content up on TH-cam all the time. Very exciting time for producer's 👍
@@joaquinvelazquez913 DIN is another name for "5 pin MIDI" connectors, but MIDI isn't the only thing that uses DIN. *Really* old desktop computers used DIN connectors for keyboards.
@@scorinth Yes, its a standard. Computers used similar not only for keyboards, but for mouse connection too (PS/2). Some computers (like gaming ones) have it on today setups too. On my computer from which Im typing this reply has and keyboard and mouse connected through PS/2 DIN connectors... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector *Cheers!*
Behringer is really catching a good piece of the synth market. Nice move! You may hate it or love it, but they are here! I don’t have one yet, but... almost there!
Thanks for the video. Nicely presented. Although you didn't seem to mention the necessity for setting MIDI channels on separate synth's downstream from the controller - but it's a small point. However...... I would have to say that restricting synths to USB MIDI only, is a huge error. Conventional MIDI works well and has done so for decades. Why enforce the use of a computer just for MIDI connections. In a multi-synth setup, making a PC the patch panel is introducing a single point of failure. It's not as if a computer is 100% reliable. In an "old school" midi setup, if one synth fails, you can patch it out. If your laptop/PC fails, you are completely screwed.
It's OBVIOUS that you guys are old... Just like you guys "love" things there are people like me who "love" anything PC and a PC will last a really, really, REALLY long time before failure. The real problem is people don't have good up keeping skills. ESPECIALLY people who make music ;)
Yeah. It's sad to see that MIDI isn't what it used to be if you have to call it "classic MIDI". I had a look into midi keyboards recently. 99% of the sh*t you find just has a USB output! You shouldn't even be allowed to call that MIDI. And companies still seem to ignore the lack of hardware MIDI. It's so sad to see that the arturia keystep is pretty much the only of its class to feature hardware MIDI. In a time where everything is going back to analog and DAW-less, manufacturers have really missed out on that, still bringing out gear with only USB-MIDI or without MIDI THRU!
My MIDI trick is to invest in a MOTU MTP AV for all my midi merging/splitting/routing/filtering/clocking needs, means no moving of cables and as such gives you a very flexible setup. 8X8 with one unit or 16X16 with an extra similar unit over serial. Really useful if you have multiple MIDI controllers and multiple MIDI sound modules as you don't necessarily have to change MIDI channels as each module will only respond to the controller that is routed to it.
I'm glad that i got a used Miditemp MT 16 X for a few bucks. 16x16 Midi Patchbay. Free routing and channel configuration with midi effects. Great unit, didn't find anything like this from another company. Only downside is the lack of USB and the configuration has to be done with a small remote controller instead of a nice GUI. So... Uli, clone that! ;-)
There are also some MIDI Routers that have USB MIDI host ports. The new Conductive Labs MRCC - MIDI Router Control Center is a fine example. It has 1 button per port routing so you don't need a computer to use it, and it has lots of 5 pin DIN ports, and 3.5MM jacks. You will need it if you have started collecting all of these great and inexpensive Behringer synths like we have!
HI! I have a setup of four Korg Volcas with a Behringer Swing keyboard. The Korgs only have one midi input ( the keyboard signal comes via a MIDI thru box), the clock comes out from the Volca Beats (drum machine), then the signal (clock) cascades back to the Swing keyboard. Now, I'd like to have a tutorial on how to set up the keyboard software, Controltribe, for various needs. For example, I wouldn't even want to have a computer while I play, but every time without the software open the keyboard doesn't work (powered via the electrical outlet). Thank you! Beautiful products! thank you!
I'm watching for the same reason -- to see this "midi with usb" thing. I mean it can't be real deal chainable midi, can it? Sounds like a hack. Time to watch...
Yep, reducing everything to USB bites us in the butt yet again. Considering the "MI" in "MIDI" stands for Multiple Instrument, the USB version shouldn't even be called MIDI.
Thanks. I kinda knew most of this, but I like freshing up and learning some tips. Even if I have figured out the synking via MIDI, I would love some general stuff about synking. I struggle about with synking modular with the gates, triggers and all of that stuff. So many difrent signals, and I do not know enugh about what the difrenses. Love the update to the Crave by the way! Thanks!
MIDI used the DIN 5 pin audio conectors. In East Germany they kept this standard for audio till the end, so it wasn't hard to get a MIDI cable. Funny thing, they offered a polyphonic synthesizer and drum machine, both with MIDI.
Yea you are old fashioned. It's called retro or nostalgic these days my friend. Me personally am a bit youngish (30) and I hate how integrated music making has become with a PC. I actually just started making music in the past few months, didn't know a damn thing about anything lol. Never played an instrument in my life but I for one don't like the fact that people sell snippets of sound made on some shitty VST's to other people to make another GENERIC rap, dubstep, synth, retrowave song. I think it's very cool and innovative to be able to click on your screen with a mouse and keyboard but it takes away creativity. THere is literally kids out here who have told me that they would rather use mouse and keyboard to make a beat... Me being young but in between generations is difficult. I like classic things that mesh well with new age tech but these kids don't even want to use a damn midi controller! LOL! I said to one guy who told me he doesn't know how to play keys... "I don't either! But i bought a KK m32 keyboard to LEARN how to play!" It's CRAZY how people are so void of LEARNING a new TALENT that could take you somewhere. Music making has given me back my life. I missed this feeling.
@tinylilmatt yep but 90% of the times they compose better than you because they know the software. That's what happens nowadays and lots of new artists doesn't even know how to play one only instrument and are less creative than you that you know how really is the mechanism of how to compose a song (in real life).
It is not a matter of being old-fashioned, but having better ears. USB was never intended to work in a pro audio setup and as such can create a slight, but clearly audible background noise (a kind of "swirling", "whistling" or "ticking") to the instrument's noise floor. For some instruments this is more pronounced than others, but even if you use noise gates, it will soon add up to a very audible dgital racket when using multiple synthesizers. Standard DIN MIDI is specifically designed to avoid this, and so is completely silent.
@@thomaskolb8785 Probably because real MIDI circuits use optocouplers as a standard of MIDI which physically isolates the circuit between instruments. USB share power/ground and 2 data lines which certainly can lead to audible noise.
I have a really nice keyboard but I have no clue how to use it at all. It’s the Casio Privia px-3000 and I want to try and connect to my speaker and record with garage band on my iPad.
I almost always use MIDI DIN Ports. A Synth setup I use for Gigs +when using a Hammond Organ or Nord NE-2 as a main Instrument) is a small setup of an Emu Piano module, a Roland VP-03 (with keyboard) and a Behringer D. I run Everything on MIDI Channel 1 and use (depending on the unit) turning down Volumes, Switching to an unused MIDI Channel or Mute Switches to select the device.
Lol I’ll never forget trying to hook my first synth to my mpc2000 back in day, it took while for my brain to wrap around the way it’s basically reverse of way audio wires go (which is another whole bunch of wires you had to deal with on top of midi lol), like with audio I was so use to like, sound goes “out” of this machine, and “in” to this machine, but then midi data goes other way, cause your sending data, seems so simple to me now, but back in beginning learning it was perplexing lol
Hey dude...the midi protocol was Born in 1983..and the USB serial Port was Born in 1999. Often the people Who play music without computer...use the midi without USB. It's more simple...you must select the master clock machine that send the timing clock. And with the thru Port (the most important Port) you can collect a series of machine..anyone with One Channel assigned.
I use a korg ds-8 to control my model-D with midi and route audio for the korg to the audio in of the model d. When I play a note I get both instruments, by default the Model D plays the lowest note played, then I can play other notes on top of that from the korg going through the model-d filter. I know you can change the note priority with the software, but using the Model-d as a bass is quite great. Then I can hook up to an amp and have one channel two great synths together.
@@behringer HELLO BROTHER I AM FACING A PROBLEM I BUY A MIDI KEYBOARD AND IT HAS ONLY MIDI OUT CAN I CONNECT IT TO MY PC WITHOUT SYNTHESISER AND AUDIO CARD ?
can't wait too see the void filled where SAMPLERS is on the website - would love to see a competitor for the 404sx or something like that with full MIDI in/out/thru!
This video didn't address why I clicked, though it did trigger me to think harder about what i was trying to do--Sync my Deepmind6 to my UNO Drum. Then it dawned on me that the Deepmind's arpeggiator clock setting was what needed setting. So thanks.....I think?
What's interesting, is USB gives you no advantage of speed compared to standard MIDI. It's the protocol (40yrs old) that holds back the speeds.....not the connector. Can't wait for MIDI 2.0 to be fully implemented!
You website uses the Joyo Cab Box as an example of controlling with MIDI. I tried this going through an Eleven Rack using the Nektar Pacer and if would not change the presets on the Joyo. ER through was set to active. Tried using the Pacer direct into the Joyo and the PGBNK commands still would not change the presets on Joyo. Saw a review where a user trying with a Boss GT-10 had same results.
I found KORG 01/w pro in the city yard dumpster (it needed a new computer battery and dis n dat..It has the floppy drive and 2 banks of factory voices). Now I'just trying to learn how to hook up all the stuff into a workable RECORD set-up through a macbook and/or whatever (I have all analog goodies, guitars, amp's, etc.. It numbs my braintrying to get it..I started out goofing with a casio backin the 80's, and a portable casette recorder. Think of the fun, though.
Thanks for that explanatory video! But in concreto if you would explain what should I do to get my PC3A8 be connected to a PC in order to record music, shall I buy any interface tool? Thanks!
Good insight, thanx. My question is about the 'USB Audio' functionality. I have a Yamaha psr-s670, and I would like it to be the sound Output using a usb cable for Keyscapes plugin from my laptop. How do I go about that?
Please forgive my very basic question but I am not a regular keyboard/midi user. I have an old digital piano with only midi connections which I only use as midi controller and use an old Sound Canvas external sound module as my sound source. I have attempted to connect this setup to my computer with a very basic midi/usb interface, a little black box with In, Out, Thru and Midi connections. It worked for a while but now I can't get the recorded midi data to communicate with the sound module, which means I can't listen back to what I have recorded. Currently my patching is as follows: Out of keyboard into in of the interface/Thru from interface to In of sound module. I can hear what I play live but not what has been recorded. I think my settings on the recorded channels in the DAW (Reaper) are correct. I have assigned different channels to different sounds on the module and adjust the output channel on the keyboard when I'm recording. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, anybody? Many thanks indeed.
I still use old midi modules that have the thru as "wimpy-arsch -usb-midi" buffers to drive passive splitters because these new synths have no power in their wimpy midi. Also, old 90's modules have basic settings like clock in/out on/off and notes/prog on/off. new synths have "auto" and often cannot be customized for specific use of clock and notes.
Hi. I wanted to ask you how to get an akai mpd16 to work? I've seen a little bit around that you need a midi cable. But I don't have the classic port on my soundcard. I bought a usb midi converter but it only works in win XP version. I finally own a cable with a male din connector and ends with a jack. Can I use it with the help of an adapter? I'm waiting. Thank you very much.
This is a very good explanation of 'old school' MIDI, and after 4 decades it still works great! However, linking through THRU won't work when using your synths as multi-timbral instruments from a DAW: each has its own 16 MIDI channels and therefor need separate connections. And that's where MIDI boxes with 2x2, 4x4, 8x8 or even higher come into play. My experience is that using multiple MIDI synths as well as USB from a DAW, doesn't work well... At least not with Cakewalk (previously Sonar) Luckily MIDI is still included on most modern synths! And with MIDI 2.0 around the corner, it's going to be used for many decades again 😀🎹
Very well explained. Think Inunderstand ...but what if you are DAWless? What sort of mixer do you require, and does Behringer offer anything as a solution?
It’s amazing there was only one type of connector and one standard midi signal the whole time... On my pc there are 3 different ways to output video and on my monitor there are 3 ways to input video and none of them are the same, I had to buy an adapter lol.
And theres devices that can switch the out port as a thru ( when they have 2 din sockets) theres a trick for older synths that have omni mode only, you should also not chain more than 3 devices without a seperate thru box
Thanks for showing how to use it as a MIDI. Do you also know how to record it in the DAW ? ( using the original sound of the piano or strings etc and send this sound as a recording into the DAW (ableton) thatd be absolutely amazing if youd know that! XXXXXXX
the video is very good! sir, could you introduce how to turn on/off the midi/audio devices connected to computer at home. I wonder know the correct concept! (especially the USB audio interface or +48V power button). I think the correct order is important.
I have an old keyboard with a midi output and I have a Behringer U-PHORIA UMC204HD how would I use them together and what software would work with the audio interface that I have. I use it to record my voice, but I wanted to record some music as well. And was wondering if you had a tutorial on this or if you can make a video to help me with my worries.
This is great! Love the explanation, clearly stated. I have a question, though I’m not sure I’ll get an answer on this, but I’m connecting my edrum kit to my Yamaha MOX6 via 5 pin midi, but even after setting up the MOX to receive the signal, it still doesn’t work… it could just be the cable… any suggestions? Thanks
Old school(and I hope forever) MOTU Timepeice II as my midi hub.8 in 8 out. Think about it...there are third party manufactures that are making midi modification circuits for old synths
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Four years later, still the best video on MIDI. Thank you.
Absolutely spot-on! 👍
Like they say, "If you can't explain it to a 6 year old, you don't know it yourself" and he explained it very well. Just bought a UB-Xa and looked to connect my Minifreak. I haven't used midi ports in a long time. Had to come refresh my knowledge.
I love this guy he talks so beautifully and makes me feel like his friend
He is your friend.
I’m glad Behringer did this video for those who maybe are or are not familiar with the idea of midi compared to usb.It can be helpful for those just beginning into the world of midi.Thank you for the informational video.
Wow dude you're an AMAZING teacher. This is probably one of the best tutorials on ANYTHING that I've ever watched. MIDI for me is complex to understand but you made it very understandable! Thank you
This is crazy..... I'm Lloyd Dorsey and I forgot that I even asked the question.... and here it is 3 years later that I run across this video!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought it was some type of block chain thing that I saw my name.......wowo......Thanks.
That's pretty cool.
These videos, and the presenter, are great! Clear and consise explanations of essential concepts. :)
He actually has his own channel where he does cool die stuff th-cam.com/channels/rkuOJwtbnPiREJi9M1zvoQ.html
Wie kriege Ich das auf Deutsche Einstellung?
Thank you. Finally a good and simple explanation of the purpose of MIDI Thru.
You guys are awesome for doing this. I use midi or cv primarily for sync/connections. My days of sitting on a bedroom floor with a pro-one, commodore 64, and tape deck may be long, long gone... but man.... where it has all taken us! I kinda hate that i grew up classic midi now that it makes me all old; but I love all your guys' great gear and the community available in here in the future.
Appreciate ya all doin this vid! Best!
Thanks Behringer for taking the time and making these videos!
forgot a couple of things. I also use 2 Behringer stereo volume control pedals between the laptops and the power amplifiers. So I have 4 channel audio from 2 laptops and 4 keyboards and 1 pedalboard. Really fun, really shakes the house!!!
Thanks!
Nice!
If a synth doesn't include 5-pin MIDI support, is USB-MIDI only, it is instantly scratch off my wish list.
I can play everything in my setup via a master MIDI keyboard and I have a MIDI Channel label on the face of the synths & sound modules for quick reference of the assigned channel.
P.S. Daisy chaining with MIDI THRU is convenient, but then you need to power up all gear in the chain. A MIDI THRU box (one MIDI IN, many MIDI OUT) allows you to keep some gear off when not being used. And avoid introducing latency.
I love Behringer ❤️ ... waiting for the 09 - to use it with my classic MIDI setup
OMG this is exactly what I needed! I just bought my very first synth, a ms-1 and I'm super excited to get started!!!
I started by daisy-chaining synths, then worked my way up to a MIDI expander connected to an Atari 1040st. USB wasn't even thought of yet. Great to see a video teaching MIDI beginning basics to the USB generation ;)
My head was spinning like hell. midi in, midi out, thru thru, midi out and then midi thru and midi in. nice vid by the way THANKS!
The Arturia Keystep is a Godsend in that it has both USB & MIDI I/O, even in a DAW-less land in which I operate. The midiIN also acts as a THRU: I’ve an MC-303 Groovebox I use as an over glorified Master Clock that sends clock data to AND through the Keystep to my modules & volcas
Best explanation after years
I need DIN MIDI on everything, and I'm tired of passing up sweet gear because of that USB-only MIDI BS. Thanks Behringer for KICKING BUTT!!! MIDI Merge is a definite plus!!
My 50+ keyboards/synths/modules are connected via four MOTU MIDI Express 128 USB to MIDI interfaces on my Mac Pro. They're all local off and I select in Digital Performer which instrument and channel I want to play on each every time. This means I can access all the remote gear from my Yamaha Motif XS7 master keyboard from the comfort of my chair. All are routed into my Yamaha LS-9 32 mixer (some via multiple 8 channel Behringer sub mixes). :)
Thank you for clarifying waters that were a bit murky for some of us.
Behringer are just killing the game right now. Totally listening to the end users with all the new synths coming out plus new content up on TH-cam all the time. Very exciting time for producer's 👍
Fantastic...this has solved my problems with my cables..its so confuseing at first as there are so many ways to connect up equepment....
It bothers me when synthesizers DON'T have MIDI DIN.
Neo Te Aika no excuse for it unless it’s very small or very cheap 🤣
What is Midi "DIN"?
@@joaquinvelazquez913 DIN is another name for "5 pin MIDI" connectors, but MIDI isn't the only thing that uses DIN. *Really* old desktop computers used DIN connectors for keyboards.
@@scorinth Yes, its a standard. Computers used similar not only for keyboards, but for mouse connection too (PS/2). Some computers (like gaming ones) have it on today setups too. On my computer from which Im typing this reply has and keyboard and mouse connected through PS/2 DIN connectors... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector
*Cheers!*
@@scorinth oh so, the real midi connector. Thank you!
Behringer is really catching a good piece of the synth market. Nice move! You may hate it or love it, but they are here! I don’t have one yet, but... almost there!
I am eternally grateful. Finally everything hooked up
Thanks for the video. Nicely presented. Although you didn't seem to mention the necessity for setting MIDI channels on separate synth's downstream from the controller - but it's a small point.
However......
I would have to say that restricting synths to USB MIDI only, is a huge error. Conventional MIDI works well and has done so for decades. Why enforce the use of a computer just for MIDI connections. In a multi-synth setup, making a PC the patch panel is introducing a single point of failure. It's not as if a computer is 100% reliable.
In an "old school" midi setup, if one synth fails, you can patch it out. If your laptop/PC fails, you are completely screwed.
That's right dude! :)
It's OBVIOUS that you guys are old... Just like you guys "love" things there are people like me who "love" anything PC and a PC will last a really, really, REALLY long time before failure. The real problem is people don't have good up keeping skills. ESPECIALLY people who make music ;)
It hurts my soul that this video needs to be made. lol
DIN midi forever! 😀
Yeah. It's sad to see that MIDI isn't what it used to be if you have to call it "classic MIDI". I had a look into midi keyboards recently. 99% of the sh*t you find just has a USB output! You shouldn't even be allowed to call that MIDI. And companies still seem to ignore the lack of hardware MIDI. It's so sad to see that the arturia keystep is pretty much the only of its class to feature hardware MIDI. In a time where everything is going back to analog and DAW-less, manufacturers have really missed out on that, still bringing out gear with only USB-MIDI or without MIDI THRU!
@@SynthsandSounds And let's not even start on the 3.5mm MIDI adapters...
@@SynthsandSounds Self censor why don't you!
DoctorBlankenstein - I was thinking the same thing! Kudos to Behringer for including midi Thru on their products.
I feel so very old
My MIDI trick is to invest in a MOTU MTP AV for all my midi merging/splitting/routing/filtering/clocking needs, means no moving of cables and as such gives you a very flexible setup. 8X8 with one unit or 16X16 with an extra similar unit over serial.
Really useful if you have multiple MIDI controllers and multiple MIDI sound modules as you don't necessarily have to change MIDI channels as each module will only respond to the controller that is routed to it.
I'm glad that i got a used Miditemp MT 16 X for a few bucks. 16x16 Midi Patchbay. Free routing and channel configuration with midi effects. Great unit, didn't find anything like this from another company. Only downside is the lack of USB and the configuration has to be done with a small remote controller instead of a nice GUI.
So... Uli, clone that! ;-)
Arturia Beatstep Pro's have been lovely for working with MIDI channels across multiple instruments 😍 in a computer-less setup
Behringer ist super . 👍
Danke Behringer .
There are also some MIDI Routers that have USB MIDI host ports. The new Conductive Labs MRCC - MIDI Router Control Center is a fine example. It has 1 button per port routing so you don't need a computer to use it, and it has lots of 5 pin DIN ports, and 3.5MM jacks. You will need it if you have started collecting all of these great and inexpensive Behringer synths like we have!
HI! I have a setup of four Korg Volcas with a Behringer Swing keyboard. The Korgs only have one midi input ( the keyboard signal comes via a MIDI thru box), the clock comes out from the Volca Beats (drum machine), then the signal (clock) cascades back to the Swing keyboard.
Now, I'd like to have a tutorial on how to set up the keyboard software, Controltribe, for various needs. For example, I wouldn't even want to have a computer while I play, but every time without the software open the keyboard doesn't work (powered via the electrical outlet).
Thank you!
Beautiful products! thank you!
This video: "midi without usb"
Me: "midi with usb?"
it is called USB-MIDI in every PC Mac and any DAW
@@anotherwolff3650 Lol, I know.
I'm watching for the same reason -- to see this "midi with usb" thing. I mean it can't be real deal chainable midi, can it? Sounds like a hack. Time to watch...
Yep, reducing everything to USB bites us in the butt yet again.
Considering the "MI" in "MIDI" stands for Multiple Instrument, the USB version shouldn't even be called MIDI.
CommodoreGreg usb can be multiple. It’s up to your setup
Great video! I'd like to see more of these gear tutorials while we wait for your UB-Xa announcement video!
Thanks. I kinda knew most of this, but I like freshing up and learning some tips. Even if I have figured out the synking via MIDI, I would love some general stuff about synking. I struggle about with synking modular with the gates, triggers and all of that stuff. So many difrent signals, and I do not know enugh about what the difrenses. Love the update to the Crave by the way! Thanks!
Wow, I never thought I’d see this! I knew what MIDI was before Behringer was even a company!
MIDI used the DIN 5 pin audio conectors. In East Germany they kept this standard for audio till the end, so it wasn't hard to get a MIDI cable.
Funny thing, they offered a polyphonic synthesizer and drum machine, both with MIDI.
1983 - the year that changed everything!
Annie I presume Mousedit is referring to the year the MIDI specification was published. :)
🔥🔥🔥Thank you for explaining the details!!!
Maybe I’m old fashioned, but I still think of usb midi as “new tech” and barely use it.
Yea you are old fashioned. It's called retro or nostalgic these days my friend. Me personally am a bit youngish (30) and I hate how integrated music making has become with a PC. I actually just started making music in the past few months, didn't know a damn thing about anything lol. Never played an instrument in my life but I for one don't like the fact that people sell snippets of sound made on some shitty VST's to other people to make another GENERIC rap, dubstep, synth, retrowave song. I think it's very cool and innovative to be able to click on your screen with a mouse and keyboard but it takes away creativity. THere is literally kids out here who have told me that they would rather use mouse and keyboard to make a beat...
Me being young but in between generations is difficult. I like classic things that mesh well with new age tech but these kids don't even want to use a damn midi controller! LOL! I said to one guy who told me he doesn't know how to play keys... "I don't either! But i bought a KK m32 keyboard to LEARN how to play!" It's CRAZY how people are so void of LEARNING a new TALENT that could take you somewhere. Music making has given me back my life. I missed this feeling.
@tinylilmatt yep but 90% of the times they compose better than you because they know the software. That's what happens nowadays and lots of new artists doesn't even know how to play one only instrument and are less creative than you that you know how really is the mechanism of how to compose a song (in real life).
It is not a matter of being old-fashioned, but having better ears. USB was never intended to work in a pro audio setup and as such can create a slight, but clearly audible background noise (a kind of "swirling", "whistling" or "ticking") to the instrument's noise floor. For some instruments this is more pronounced than others, but even if you use noise gates, it will soon add up to a very audible dgital racket when using multiple synthesizers. Standard DIN MIDI is specifically designed to avoid this, and so is completely silent.
@@thomaskolb8785 Probably because real MIDI circuits use optocouplers as a standard of MIDI which physically isolates the circuit between instruments. USB share power/ground and 2 data lines which certainly can lead to audible noise.
I have a really nice keyboard but I have no clue how to use it at all. It’s the Casio Privia px-3000 and I want to try and connect to my speaker and record with garage band on my iPad.
I just want to add that i bought a RD-08 and its a great piece of equipment
I almost always use MIDI DIN Ports.
A Synth setup I use for Gigs +when using a Hammond Organ or Nord NE-2 as a main Instrument) is a small setup of an Emu Piano module, a Roland VP-03 (with keyboard) and a Behringer D. I run Everything on MIDI Channel 1 and use (depending on the unit) turning down Volumes, Switching to an unused MIDI Channel or Mute Switches to select the device.
informative. I already knew most of this stuff through trial and error but its good to hear if you need a refresher which i did
THIS is the video I've been looking for. THANK YOU!
Man I am old! I remember connecting a DX7 to a Juno 106 when midi was the newest technology. Now they are classic midi connectors lol.
@mark heyne lol
great explaination and you basically went strait to it. I can't handle life stories when I need intel.
Lol I’ll never forget trying to hook my first synth to my mpc2000 back in day, it took while for my brain to wrap around the way it’s basically reverse of way audio wires go (which is another whole bunch of wires you had to deal with on top of midi lol), like with audio I was so use to like, sound goes “out” of this machine, and “in” to this machine, but then midi data goes other way, cause your sending data, seems so simple to me now, but back in beginning learning it was perplexing lol
And once they switched to usb, I was so like “really that’s it, now it works?”😳🤣
Hey dude...the midi protocol was Born in 1983..and the USB serial Port was Born in 1999. Often the people Who play music without computer...use the midi without USB. It's more simple...you must select the master clock machine that send the timing clock. And with the thru Port (the most important Port) you can collect a series of machine..anyone with One Channel assigned.
I use a korg ds-8 to control my model-D with midi and route audio for the korg to the audio in of the model d. When I play a note I get both instruments, by default the Model D plays the lowest note played, then I can play other notes on top of that from the korg going through the model-d filter. I know you can change the note priority with the software, but using the Model-d as a bass is quite great. Then I can hook up to an amp and have one channel two great synths together.
thank you I am new to midi and this simple explanation helped bigtime!
Glad it helped!
@@behringer HELLO BROTHER I AM FACING A PROBLEM I BUY A MIDI KEYBOARD AND IT HAS ONLY MIDI OUT CAN I CONNECT IT TO MY PC WITHOUT SYNTHESISER AND AUDIO CARD ?
Thank you So much! this video helped me connect a yamaha Shs-500
can't wait too see the void filled where SAMPLERS is on the website - would love to see a competitor for the 404sx or something like that with full MIDI in/out/thru!
Extremely helpful video. Thanks!
Excellent explanation on how MIDI works! Great content! Liked!
I have an old school setup, only sequencer controlling all synths. It can get pretty confusing. Love these videos! Also this guy is HOT!
Gay thing.
Can you Do a demonstration of using the Poly D using Usb as a midi controller device with Protools.
❤️Love the explanation from Götz Müller ❤️
You can have your DINner at MIDIday! All devices should still have these ports.
This video didn't address why I clicked, though it did trigger me to think harder about what i was trying to do--Sync my Deepmind6 to my UNO Drum. Then it dawned on me that the Deepmind's arpeggiator clock setting was what needed setting. So thanks.....I think?
Great video and content. Thank You for that. Please do more.
Your Denglisch is wunderfull!
It will be wonderful to have
MIDI control/remote for deepmind 12 for Live performance (on stage) !!!
Bank sounds change
What's interesting, is USB gives you no advantage of speed compared to standard MIDI. It's the protocol (40yrs old) that holds back the speeds.....not the connector. Can't wait for MIDI 2.0 to be fully implemented!
i still have yet to use USB midi....except for my Icon daw controller...i have a midisport 8x8...the way things should be
Thanks to behringer that I now have the problem to connect four synths haha :)
Grrrrrrreat video!!!!! Very precise, and well explained!!!!!
Cool, I knew all this stuff except what the hell 'Soft Thru' meant on my DM6!
Hello thanks for this video, I have Yamaha sx900 and I am cubase user can I use sx900 voice as a sound module through midi? Thanks
Extra like for the good at the end of it.
You website uses the Joyo Cab Box as an example of controlling with MIDI. I tried this going through an Eleven Rack using the Nektar Pacer and if would not change the presets on the Joyo. ER through was set to active. Tried using the Pacer direct into the Joyo and the PGBNK commands still would not change the presets on Joyo. Saw a review where a user trying with a Boss GT-10 had same results.
1:25 Some units can also mix, as Roland MIDI pedal boards for bass playing with the feet.
I found KORG 01/w pro in the city yard dumpster (it needed a new computer battery and dis n dat..It has the floppy drive and 2 banks of factory voices). Now I'just trying to learn how to hook up all the stuff into a workable RECORD set-up through a macbook and/or whatever (I have all analog goodies, guitars, amp's, etc.. It numbs my braintrying to get it..I started out goofing with a casio backin the 80's, and a portable casette recorder. Think of the fun, though.
Thanks for that explanatory video! But in concreto if you would explain what should I do to get my PC3A8 be connected to a PC in order to record music, shall I buy any interface tool? Thanks!
Thanks from Paris dude,
very helpfull
Good insight, thanx.
My question is about the 'USB Audio' functionality. I have a Yamaha psr-s670, and I would like it to be the sound Output using a usb cable for Keyscapes plugin from my laptop. How do I go about that?
Please forgive my very basic question but I am not a regular keyboard/midi user. I have an old digital piano with only midi connections which I only use as midi controller and use an old Sound Canvas external sound module as my sound source. I have attempted to connect this setup to my computer with a very basic midi/usb interface, a little black box with In, Out, Thru and Midi connections. It worked for a while but now I can't get the recorded midi data to communicate with the sound module, which means I can't listen back to what I have recorded. Currently my patching is as follows: Out of keyboard into in of the interface/Thru from interface to In of sound module. I can hear what I play live but not what has been recorded. I think my settings on the recorded channels in the DAW (Reaper) are correct. I have assigned different channels to different sounds on the module and adjust the output channel on the keyboard when I'm recording. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, anybody? Many thanks indeed.
Proper MIDI connections are the sign of a quality synth.
Long live MIDI, long live Behringer!!
very good presentation good job there
I still use old midi modules that have the thru as "wimpy-arsch -usb-midi" buffers to drive passive splitters because these new synths have no power in their wimpy midi.
Also, old 90's modules have basic settings like clock in/out on/off and notes/prog on/off. new synths have "auto" and often cannot be customized for specific use of clock and notes.
Hi. I wanted to ask you how to get an akai mpd16 to work? I've seen a little bit around that you need a midi cable. But I don't have the classic port on my soundcard. I bought a usb midi converter but it only works in win XP version. I finally own a cable with a male din connector and ends with a jack. Can I use it with the help of an adapter? I'm waiting. Thank you very much.
Man.... seeing someone do a presentation on MIDI DIN really makes me feel old.
This is a very good explanation of 'old school' MIDI, and after 4 decades it still works great!
However, linking through THRU won't work when using your synths as multi-timbral instruments from a DAW: each has its own 16 MIDI channels and therefor need separate connections.
And that's where MIDI boxes with 2x2, 4x4, 8x8 or even higher come into play.
My experience is that using multiple MIDI synths as well as USB from a DAW, doesn't work well... At least not with Cakewalk (previously Sonar)
Luckily MIDI is still included on most modern synths! And with MIDI 2.0 around the corner, it's going to be used for many decades again 😀🎹
Very well explained. Think Inunderstand ...but what if you are DAWless? What sort of mixer do you require, and does Behringer offer anything as a solution?
Great video!
A little clearer now to me. In Out and Thru make sense to me. I still don’t understand the channels
It’s amazing there was only one type of connector and one standard midi signal the whole time... On my pc there are 3 different ways to output video and on my monitor there are 3 ways to input video and none of them are the same, I had to buy an adapter lol.
And theres devices that can switch the out port as a thru ( when they have 2 din sockets) theres a trick for older synths that have omni mode only, you should also not chain more than 3 devices without a seperate thru box
Just solved my problem, thanks a lot!
Great vid, thanks. Can I hook up, a td3, digitakt and keyboard to an mpc one and use that as a host with out a pc linked up?
Flawless Instructions!
Thanks for showing how to use it as a MIDI. Do you also know how to
record it in the DAW ? ( using the original sound of the piano or
strings etc and send this sound as a recording into the DAW (ableton)
thatd be absolutely amazing if youd know that! XXXXXXX
This was super helpful! Thanks!
Nice video thanks guys!
the video is very good! sir, could you introduce how to turn on/off the midi/audio devices connected to computer at home. I wonder know the correct concept! (especially the USB audio interface or +48V power button). I think the correct order is important.
I have an old keyboard with a midi output and I have a Behringer U-PHORIA UMC204HD how would I use them together and what software would work with the audio interface that I have. I use it to record my voice, but I wanted to record some music as well. And was wondering if you had a tutorial on this or if you can make a video to help me with my worries.
A great video for my idiot level of understanding. Thanks 🙏
This is great! Love the explanation, clearly stated. I have a question, though I’m not sure I’ll get an answer on this, but I’m connecting my edrum kit to my Yamaha MOX6 via 5 pin midi, but even after setting up the MOX to receive the signal, it still doesn’t work… it could just be the cable… any suggestions? Thanks
Old school(and I hope forever) MOTU Timepeice II as my midi hub.8 in 8 out. Think about it...there are third party manufactures that are making midi modification circuits for old synths
Well presented and explained. Thanks