Great video, all you have to do is look at the cooling fins on the casting and right there you are getting 2x the cooling capability the shroud is worth noticing but the casting is where the big difference lies.
Zippo, Thank you so much. This was such a good video. I have worked on countless Inteks that have had valve/head/overheating problems. I have heard great things about the Vanguard engines, but have never worked on one. It makes me wonder I see many simple sheet metal modifications that could be made to help cool the Inteks down that would not cost any extra money for Briggs. Thanks again for making such a detailed video, I learned a lot:) Bob
No problem at all Bob! Do you still want to see the head/block configuration comparison between the two? I can probably get to the Intek head tomorrow and I already shot a detailed video outlying the advantages of the Vanguard head and block design that I'll get posted along with the Intek head if you like. Always happy to help out when and where I can! How's about a little Shout Out on your next Vid? I could sure use the boost! Cheers my Friend! Hugs to the little man! Sean~
You don't have to make another video. I will give a shout out in the near future in a Small engine video. Thanks again for your efforts. I think that video will pick up a lot of views when people are researching which engine to go with for their equipment.
It's like shopping for shoes...you can get a pair that will get you by for a while or you can get a pair that will outlast all the others. Give me Vanguard Shoes every time lol. Cheers Bob! And thanks for lending a hand with a shout out! Zip!
The problem is your are comparing a home use engine to an industrial engine, one cost twice as much as the other. It depends of what you are going to use the engine for and how many hours a day or week. The Vanguard is better but is that what you need? Do you need a Mercedes to go back and forth to work? In any case, that is a great review.
In the used engine market William, when searching for a dependable riding mower, if it's got the Vanguard (which they DO sell in Higher End Consumer models) would be the better choice for longevity regardless if you're mowing many Acres or an in town 1/4 acre lot. Yes.....New, the Vanguard IS twice the cost, but they're easily obtainable and require less maintenance over the Intek. But I will say, Briggs has vastly improved the overall design of the Intek as of late. So it's not a "bad" choice. I definitely appreciate your input William!! You touch on very good points when seeking out a new piece of equipment. Myself, I always look for the best overall value in equipment and nearly 100% of the time it's second hand equipment. BTW, I wouldn't own a Mercedes, it can't tow my 24 foot enclosed trailer lol. Cheers! Zip~
I have a 17 year old 18hp vangaurd on a snapper ztr. It leaks oil, wasn't kept clean, and never had the valves adjusted. Mowed 1.75 acres every week during season. Just now replaced the mower because it is worn out. Engine still runs strong, probably run better with valve adjustment.
I bought my Husqavarna back in 1993 with the Intek like the one you are comparing to the Vanguard. The engine just broke a connecting rod two days ago. It saw very hard service and lasted 26 yrs.. I must have got lucky I guess.
If they are well cared for the Internet can be a very reliable engine. But it is knowing how to keep the engine happy that will yield many many years of trouble free service. Thanks for your input! It shows that you’re mindful of your engines needs! Zip~
healthyamerican I have a 10 year old Ariens with the 20 HP intek XRD, same engine I ran for 10 years, mowing about an acre of grass every week, at least 7 months of the year, putting about 60 hours a year on. changed oil/filters once a year and kept treated gas in it and it never missed a beat.....the hydro torq trans quit at 10 years but the engine still runs fine !!!! Soooo I bought a Husqvarna with the same engine as Ariens no longer makes a riding tractor style lawn mower. Unfortunetly you do not find the expensive Vangard engines on equipment like lawn mowers. it was cheaper to buy a new mower than to buy a new trans and have it installed.
Designed for failure or poor engineering. I side on poor engineering with regards to the Intek line, since Briggs DID revamp the Intek engines to address many of the over heating and clogging issues. But that still leaves millions of the old style out there, lying in wait to fail. We can thank the EPA and our wonderful Government for all the high tech put into these engines now days. If not for them, we'd all still be enjoying our flat head engines lol. Cheers Superman! Haven't seen you around in a while!! Zip~
Hey I’m looking into the Briggs & Stratton whole house generators. They use the Vanguard motor. I want to change it to a trifuel motor. Nice tutorial video
You are 100% right with the Vanguards. They are really rugged engines designed to last. The Intek engines aren't really designed the best. The internals are ok, but the cooling is subpar at best. Briggs and Stratton should at least fix the cooling problems those engines have. I think they have gotten better, but only time will tell. The Vanguards are in my opinion the best small engines on the market. They are very powerful, efficient, low maintenance, very durable and reliable, and parts are cheap. I swapped those engines on a couple of my equipment where the engines eventually wear out from normal use, and I can't complain one bit about them. However, they are a bit harder to work on than the Inteks, but I don't really have to work on them that often because they just run and run. I swapped a 27 HP Kawasaki out of my zero turn for a 27 HP Vanguard and I feel like it has just a bit more power and doesn't guzzle as much fuel. I already have 700+ hours on it and I haven't had one problem so far. So for those who say Briggs and Stratton makes crappy engines, I think they should rethink their opinion on them. Sure they have had some not so impressive designs, some which probably tarnished the company's reputation, but I can say that they are slowly improving their designs, even the residential models (OHV units) are a bit better than they were.
Kohler has made their fair share of less than dependable engines as well. One in particular is the Over Head Cam models. you're lucky to get 600 hours out of one before the cast iron sleeves slip down into the oil sump. They're more commonly known as the Triad. A testament to a good engine is trouble free operation with routine maintenance for the life of the machine. With the Vanguard engines, Briggs got it right. They're advertised as commercial units and they live up to that claim. Cheers Kyle! Thanks for your testament! Zip~
ZippoVarga Thanks, mate! Don't even get me started with Kohler. They are a whole different problem. Many of their engines are great, such as the old cast iron K-series and Magnum engines that were darn near indestructible. The Kohler Commands for the most part are outstanding. But basically everything else seems to have their own set of problems. I have only worked in one Triad engine and it had a hole in the piston. Those engines in particular are a huge pain to work on. But the worst Kohler engines in my opinion is the Courage. I can't tell you how many Cub Cadets, Toros, and craftsman mowers I've had come in with blown Courage engines...with less than 100 hours!!! That's unacceptable! Those engines self destruct even if you take good care of it, and the engine block is paper thin. And the icing on the cake, the gears are all plastic! And the replacement engines are absurdly priced. I usually end up replacing them with Briggs I/C engine or something similar. I don't have many problems with Kohler engines, I think a lot of their engines are really good, but they have had their fair share of design flaws in a free of their engine series. Even Kawasaki has their share of problems. Almost all of the engines that come into the shop are oil drinkers or complete leakers. And they don't even sell crankcase gaskets for some of their engines. Also getting parts for them is a huge pain, especially the older engines. The big block Kawasaki engines also bend pushrods and rocker arms if the valves aren't adjusted frequently. Other than that, Kawasaki engines are pretty reliable strong running engines. Honda engines don't seem to have many flaws, at least not major ones. They seem to be built well from the start. That's why they haven't changed their overall design of their engines since the GX series came out. I don't prefer their OHC units mainly because their carburetors are the biggest pain to install. You have to juggle a whole bunch of gaskets and pieces on only two studs, which is a royal pain. I have lot of Honda engines, and I generally don't have any problems with them and parts are super cheap since there are a lot of aftermarket parts for all of the "chonda" clones out there. The Honda clones that I am seeing more and more now on snowblowers and mowers are only good until they inevitably break. Good luck getting parts for them. It is often cheaper and more worthwhile for the consumer to go buy another one than to fix them. But if I were to pick any engine Brand it would have to be Briggs. There are engines everywhere, parts are cheap and easy to find, they are fairly easy to work on, and they are just simple engines. Of course if you want to go the extra mile, the Vanguard is the best engine of all, in my opinion.
It took me a while to come back around to this reply Kyle. We're in agreement pretty much across the whole small engine world. Have you yet had the pleasure of working on any of the new fuel injected Briggs engines? OBD2 and all!! Cheers Mate! Zip~
Been around these engines for a long time and if it's not a Cast Iron Single cylinder, it's GOT to be a Vanguard! Thanks for stopping by Social! Cheers! Zip~
Damn you're from Muncie !I've been following your channel ,for forever .I thought you were from upper Indiana.Wish you were closer.Can't find anybody to work on mowers or what ever around here.Great vids, this was a good one for sure.I always ''like'' your vids,don't know why people can't hit ''like'' .thanks,rudy
I personally love the Vanguards but where I live they are very hard to find, I would love to own one again, the last one I had I found it on eBay for very cheap and I had it shipped from North Carolina which believe me it was well worth it. I've had good luck with Intex the worst issue I've ever had with them are the carburetors and the two bowl screws. Something you may or may not know you can get an Intact Twin with a cast aluminum intake one piece.
I learned from this and ill use the knowledge...I have several Intel vtwins until I find a vanguard ill keep the cooling passages clean I appreciate as much as Ii can get...thank you
Best to pull the cover and clean the fins regularly it's not hard to do and you need to check this for mice anyway, saw taryl do some inspection covers for that reason..
Reminds me of the ole saying you get what you pay for. Details like cooling system fins, spark plug opening, carburetors. All that precision makes it more costly to produce. .but worth it in the long range. JMO.
You're exactly right Ted. The devil is in the details, and even the later model Intek Briggs have made vast improvements over the first generation Intek's. Cheers! Zip~
This video was the deciding vote to go vanguard for my new replacement engine. Well done! Well explained! On a side note, you would know better than I, the carb in this video, are there no idle mix screws?
I have a 20hp Vanguard that just goes straight to the max RPM as soon as you start it. Model 358777 Type 0280-E1. Two years ago I had the governor replaced, and have only put a few hundred more hours and it’s doing the same thing. Any chance you think it’s the governor again? The engine only has 400hrs on it and it powers a Simplicity Broadmoor 50/20. Nice videos btw!!
This is what I've always wondered. I am commenting before I even see the entire video, but I'm pretty sure the intek is actually going to have more torque but sacrifice in reliability. I absolutely love the vanguards and how smooth they run, it's the cam profile. But brute power, intek. I think it has to do with the crank and flywheel inertia. But those REAL Vanguards are bulletproof!
We got 15-16 years out of our Intek. It's a single cylinder. We replaced it with a newer Intek because it was burning oil and it had bad starting problems. I'm gonna try to get it fixed however. Nice video by the way. I would too prefer the Vanguard design over the Intek, but Inteks aren't bad either
So long as they're properly maintained, they will last a long, long time. But there in lies the issue with the mentality of today's society. If I could turn back the clock to the 1960's and show people how things were done back then and how long things last due to proper maintenance, I still don't think it would do any good lol. Good luck with the Intek Single! Cheers! Zip~
@@motormouth2472 People were built better back then too. They valued the hard earned money they would spend on anything and take care of things. Today....not so much. Don't get me wrong...there are certainly people today who want their equipment to last, but the scales have turned to a throw away society by design by manufacturers. Zip~
@@ZippoVarga 100% im young but i hate todays thow away society. Your absolutely correct bout todays society, very thankful i had a grandpa and dad that valued their hard earned money.
Also don't like the pushrod design on the Intek. No ACR, aluminum and steel pushrods with different expansion rates to compensate. Seen alot of overheated heads with valve guides that have moved. Crazy pushrod ejection into the cam, lean idle circuits, so many blown head gaskets, now siliconed rocker covers makes adjusting the valves that much more difficult.
I've seen a lot of the Intek v-twins end up having worn cylinders and rings because the air filter is not sat directly on top of the engine. Intek V-Twins hvae air filter covers that are supposed to route the air up though the filter from the outside and the cover turns it back down into the intake. This becomes another issue as the engine's air filter cover warps and ends up sucking dirty air straight down the intake. It's a really bad design all around. Back in 2001, it started appearing on mowers like Craftsman's and Husqvarna's as a replacement for the Opposed Twin Briggs, however it will never live up to such reliability. The Vanguard is the only one that comes close to opposed twin reliability, however, it is very expensive compared to the Opposed Twin mowers and those old engines can be found on almost anything built from 77-01. At the end of the day, an old Craftsman LT1000 with an Opposed Twin can do circles around anything with a new Intek. Great job on the video.
I'm in total agreement with you on all counts here Ashton. Right down to the Opposed twins. They are my favorite design by far. Simple L head design that just works! Thanks for your input! Zip~
I watched your video again and picked up more things I missed the first time. Just about 50hrs on my 23hp Intek and I’m very interested in what you’re saying about the air guides and clogging. Would you clean these with a narrow bottle brush and compressed air?
Use whatever means you have Thomas. So long as the heads stay free of debris you won't have any issues. A normal part of the routine maintenance is checking the valve lash and often people reuse the valve cover gaskets and they end up leaking. This gives dust and debris a way to stick to the heads making cooling of the head more difficult. So keep it clean for peace of mind. Cheers! Zip~
I'm almost finished with my Intek. Push rod dropped into sump caused from over heating. I just hope the case didn't warp. Had the heads rebuilt. When turning the crank there is a tight spot when one piston hits TDC. Hope the cause is not a warped case. I will find out when cranking. If it's good will clean the cooling fins after every use.
If you can source a blower housing from a newer Intek, they come equipped with access doors on the housing to make cleaning easier. Good luck with it! Zip~
@@ZippoVarga Hey Zippo, thanks for the Tip. I put everything back together and it cranked 1st try. I was worried also about it leaking from the spot where one of the sump cover bolt broke off. I drilled it out and epoxied a 1/4 in stud in the case. Good thing for JB weld! lol. It only takes about 3 min to pull off the blower housing so I will save my money to buy something else. If I knew how I would have made a video of the rebuild. thanks for your videos.
Thank You for taking the time to do the comparison. I’m in the middle of head jobs on a 99’ 25HP intek with 2,000 hrs. It’s been well cared for, but did get dirt packed around one head and the ex guide moved. What oil do you recommend for this otherwise healthy 2,000 hr engine used yr round in the south?
Really great vid... made me buy a vanguard 26hp.... now... between the intek and the vanguard what are the starter wiring differences? My intek had just power going to the starter, but I see two screw terminals on the vanguard's starter. Does it take power and ground directly to the starter?
The vanguard I have is the 18.5 with a single barrel carburetor I know a lot about the small engines I've been working on them since I was like 6 and I'm 18 now but what I can't seem to figure out is on my vanguard why it seems like it locked up and lost power but at the same time as far as I know there's no rods broken or anything like
I've noticed my Intek's hood air intake is sloppy on my 2015 Husqvarna made Murray's Intek, and it seems as if the hot air that does exit the duct work blows right up against the inside of the hood....and right back on top to go in the air intake.
There truly is no need to install a larger oil cooler and its location is right where there is an opening in the blower housing to further help in keeping the oil nice and cool. I'd leave well enough alone as Briggs build the Vanguard quite well. Cheers! Zip~
I have a 16 hp vanguard v twin that has an issue, while idling it only tends to run on one cylinder, but when I rev it up higher then the other cylinder kicks in. I’m stumped on what to do😕
I do a spark diagnosis on the Vanguard in another video where the wire connecting the two coils contains Diodes and one or both go bad. I would start there. Also, the engine may sound normal at operating speed, but will it perform normally under load? Or does it just sound normal and you assume it will operate under load? This is a prime indication that the diode wire needs swapped out. Assuming this is your issue, to order the correct wire, go to the Briggs and Stratton web sight and download your free copy of the Parts List for your tractor, then using the numbers on your engine in conjunction with the manual, you can determine your part number. There are different diode equipped wires depending on your engine model. Then, the best place I've found to order my parts is Partstree.com. Simply enter your part number, hit enter and your options are shown. Keep us posted! Zip~
The engine numbers entered into the Briggs and Stratton sight under manuals will tell you whether it's an Intek or a Vanguard, but most generally, the Vanguard has a metal blower housing and the Intek has a plastic one. The Intek has gone through some transformations over the years to improve reliability, so the cast aluminum intake on an Intek is entirely possible. Cheers! Zip~
Hi Zippo, nice video, i have a commercial grade 23hp Briggs v twin on my brand new Ferris zero turn. There seems to be a slight knocking noise coming from the middle area of the engine that is a little more present after the mower has been running for a while. It has only done about 8hrs. Just wondering if this is normal? Cheers.
@@ZippoVarga thanks for the fast reply, so it shouldn't be making that kind of noise? Its definitely sounds a bit more like a tapping noise and its coming more from the back part of the motor and i can only hear it at idle. I read somewhere that the lifters can go bad from it sitting around for a long time waiting to be brought is this true? Sorry for the questions, i just didn't want to take it back to the shop claiming there's something wrong if that noise is normal. Here is a TH-cam link showing the noise, camera doesn't capture it the best though Watch "Briggs and stratton v twin" on TH-cam th-cam.com/video/QBtNZmDLkNU/w-d-xo.html Cheers.
Great information thanks. I’m looking at buying a riding mower with the Briggs & Stratton 15 horse industrial in a white riding mower. Would appreciate your thoughts on that engine?
The Single Cylinder I/C 15hp engines are dependable. I would definitely install a fuel shut off in line though , as the carburetors have a tendency to start leaking fuel into the engine due to the Ethanol in our fuels deteriorating the rubber and aluminum components. By installing a shut off, you will also want to let the engine run out the remaining fuel in the carburetor after you shut the fuel off to ensure a long trouble free carburetor. Keep vigilant on maintenance and lubrication. Other than that....Enjoy your new purchase! Zip~
Hey Zippo, i have a 1985 Simplicity 3108 rear engine Calvalier that had a aluminum 190 series Briggs & Stratton 8hp engine that of course had gone bad due to wear. I was wondering if you know of a good quality replacement engine for it? And also one more question: does the Intek shown here have a plastic cam like some other Intek's do? Thanks.
I'll let you know on the cam when I open up the blown 27hp, but if memory serves, when I peeked in the gaping hole in the block, it was a full steel cam and gear. As for the replacement engine suggestion, there are a blue million OHV single Briggs cheap out there that should tuck into the rear fender skirt nicely. Just be sure if it's a used one, that you do a valve adjustment and thorough cleaning. Replace any leaking gaskets and you should be good to go for some time. I would look for an I/C (Cast Iron Bore) for longevity's sake. Cheers Kev! Zip~
Craigslist is your best bet. Just make sure you can hear the engine run before buying. I pick them up for anywhere between $75-$125 all day long. I prefer the older metal blower housing versions over the plastic covered ones. The air flow over the engine is much more controlled and less debris seems to accumulate on them. Happy Hunting! Cheers Kev! Zip~
Excellent question Robert! I'm partial to USA made, so that's the direction I would go, BUT....I would never turn down the opportunity to own a liquid cooled Kawasaki. VERY good engines! Cheers!! Zip~
I see more Vanguards with crank oil seal leaks . But if both were sitting there i would also take the vanguard . Air filter set up on Vanguards are usually much better . and not sure , but think vanguard life expectancy is almost twice that of a intek . There are different grades of intek `s but all still just inteks . My 2001 , 18 hp and 2005, 22 hp inteks still run well ,
Heya Terry! Nice to see more than "cool" once in a while lmao. I agree...if the Intek is WELL maintained, they can be quite reliable for 1000 hours. The 22hp I have on my Poulan Pro that I rebuilt the head on will forever more be kept clean above maintained in the normal sense. But...If a Vanguard presented it self...it would replace the Intek in the Poulan Pro just because of their reliability. The only engine I would replace a Briggs with is another Briggs though lol. Cheers my Friend! Zip~
Please, is it Vanguard consumer - Optimum - better quality and Intek is industrial ? Exist 810cc/27hp Vanguard with horizontal crank or how could rebuild vertical one to horizontal ?
It's called the Intek ELS, or Extended Life Series for the professionals. They addressed many of the short falls of the original engines cooling abilities as well as the head design. There's other changes here and there with minor advancements and improvements over the series one. I believe this is series 3 or 4 that's currently in production. I have yet to get my hands on one to check out where they made improvements. They do now offer fuel injected Briggs!!! I'm anxious to get my hands on one of those!!!! Cheers Keith!!! Zip~
I don't particularly care for anything Briggs put out there. But if I were going to own one, it would be the Vanguard. From a mechanic standpoint, I'd rather see the Intek because that means money in the pocket.
I'm a different kind of mechanic. I would much rather educate the owner on how to prevent issues and not see their equipment in my shop than to have to repeatedly work on their engines due to neglect. The Intek, being a consumer engine series, is more prone to coming in the shop because most owners are not aware that more intense maintenance needs to be performed on them yearly. Vanguard engines are more prevalent on industrial mowers who's owners are often in the lawn care business and maintain their equipment so it will last. But, over all, the better choice is the Vanguard as I show here in this video. Cheers Lawn! Zip~
Lots of modern engines use plastic intakes... I know they're built tk different price points but the guy running it is a major factor Some people seem to be able to destroy anything
Dodd, you're exactly right. The engine manufacturers actually have to design "dummy proof" engines and do it under the thumb of the Government. I wouldn't want those engineers jobs. Cheers! Zip~
Will an 17.5hp or 19hp b&s motor have the same bolt pattern as a 10.5 hp b&s? My 10.5 hp vertical shaft motor blew up and I’m wanting to bolt a larger motor on it. This goes on a swisher rough cut mower, with that being said, my only problem is the mounting pattern. Thanks and have a great day!
Yeah, they have their issues for sure. Being pro-active with maintenance and you can get a lot of life out of an Intek, but for the most part, it's a home owners throw away mower engine unfortunately. Cheers my Friend! Zip~
I think the Kohler Courage is worse than the Intek. Those engines are just ticking time bombs ready to blow rods out the side of the block. I have had plenty of Cub Cadets come into the shop with those engines, most with blown engines with very low hours. Intek engines aren't that great either, but they have their own set of problems, mainly head gasket failures and oil peaking out of every seal on the block. I have had some that were blown up too, but in most cases it was because the owner never checked the oil. Also the crank seals are kinda crappy, and they can eventually dump out all the oil without you knowing until it's too late. I don't see Kohler Courage engines anymore on any tractor that I've seen, but I do still see plenty of Intek (or engines based on it).
@@stevenmaines9114 Vanguard's factory is in Georgia. They even make the blocks there. Watch their TH-cam video. Not sure where you are getting your information from.
The Moral of the story is....Take Care Of Your Engine. I've seen Intek engines with well over 1,000 hours on them that have been well taken care of. So to say they're not capable is a misnomer. They are, so long as the owners stay on top of keeping things clean. Just saying....because the moral wasn't to go buy a Vanguard over an Intek. It was that the Intek takes more TLC to maintain. Zip~
Good luck finding a 27 HP Intec engine as they don't make them 23 is about as large as either engine goes and a Vangard is TWICE the money as an Intec !!! You are comparing apples and oranges !!!! DUUUUH!!!!!!
I'm well aware that I'm comparing apples to oranges here Wilburrrrrr. That is the whole point of the comparison. DUUUUH!!!!!! Not everyone realizes that the Intek is a CONSUMER grade engine and that the Vanguard is a Commercial engine. Cheers!! Zip~
very nice side x side comp.i have a 26 intek with over 1800 hours on it.its not used on a mower.....probably why its not as prone to clogging and overheating the heads,cooming valves ect. i run in a boat......no dust or grass clippings on the water. i also installed a 20lb coupling on the crank to increase torque.its a lil beast. th-cam.com/video/kOyTId7TTgk/w-d-xo.html
As long as regular maintenance is performed, these engines will be around 40 years from now, still racking up hours. Cheers Seven and thanks for the story! Zip~
Now now...you're gonna hurt my feelings! lol...I've got 80+ year old Briggs still chugging along. It's all in how an engine is maintained, regardless of manufacturer. Any neglected engine is going to fail on you. But...I'll take Honda and Kawasaki over Kohlers any day of the week. Cheers uma!! Zip~
I have a 22-year-old 15hp Kohler Command that still starts up every time down here in central Florida, only had to replace 3 blade belts, and one tune up so far. Will be replacing my drive belt for the first time this week.
Intek may get a bad rap but there are much worse Kawasaki experiments they got away with for a while there to name 1, or the courage single lol... there are millions of these inteks destroying grass all over the world, I have one that could use a little work but a $500 replacement new with warranty is so hard to argue with and the intek still runs just not like new.. you would slap some people if you saw how careless they are with equipment maintenance
Oh, believe me....there's been plenty of slap worthy jobs come through the shop here lol. Check out the Conquest series I did a while back. And....all the work was performed by a Brick and Mortar Xmark so called "Mechanic!!" I know I haven't seen it all, but I've seen a lot in the 20 years in the industry. I'm surprised every year by a new level of slap worthy hack jobs lol. Cheers Dodd! Zip~
I love the Vanguard series. Robust, dependable, easy to maintain and they rarely fail if maintained properly. I actually have a road legal car that is Vanguard powered. Zip~
Zippo that was a well done comparison. One of the best motors I've owned was a 18 hp Vanguard. It really was a powerful and fuel efficient motor.
Like I said, I would take a Vanguard of a lesser HP over an Intek all day long. Cheers my Friend! Zip~
Great video, all you have to do is look at the cooling fins on the casting and right there you are getting 2x the cooling capability the shroud is worth noticing but the casting is where the big difference lies.
Love my 35hp Vanguard. Its a BEAST!!!!
Zippo, Thank you so much. This was such a good video. I have worked on countless Inteks that have had valve/head/overheating problems. I have heard great things about the Vanguard engines, but have never worked on one. It makes me wonder I see many simple sheet metal modifications that could be made to help cool the Inteks down that would not cost any extra money for Briggs. Thanks again for making such a detailed video, I learned a lot:) Bob
No problem at all Bob! Do you still want to see the head/block configuration comparison between the two? I can probably get to the Intek head tomorrow and I already shot a detailed video outlying the advantages of the Vanguard head and block design that I'll get posted along with the Intek head if you like. Always happy to help out when and where I can! How's about a little Shout Out on your next Vid? I could sure use the boost! Cheers my Friend! Hugs to the little man! Sean~
You don't have to make another video. I will give a shout out in the near future in a Small engine video. Thanks again for your efforts. I think that video will pick up a lot of views when people are researching which engine to go with for their equipment.
It's like shopping for shoes...you can get a pair that will get you by for a while or you can get a pair that will outlast all the others. Give me Vanguard Shoes every time lol. Cheers Bob! And thanks for lending a hand with a shout out! Zip!
Best video comparing the two. Thank you for this. Sniff
The problem is your are comparing a home use engine to an industrial engine, one cost twice as much as the other. It depends of what you are going to use the engine for and how many hours a day or week. The Vanguard is better but is that what you need? Do you need a Mercedes to go back and forth to work?
In any case, that is a great review.
In the used engine market William, when searching for a dependable riding mower, if it's got the Vanguard (which they DO sell in Higher End Consumer models) would be the better choice for longevity regardless if you're mowing many Acres or an in town 1/4 acre lot. Yes.....New, the Vanguard IS twice the cost, but they're easily obtainable and require less maintenance over the Intek. But I will say, Briggs has vastly improved the overall design of the Intek as of late. So it's not a "bad" choice. I definitely appreciate your input William!! You touch on very good points when seeking out a new piece of equipment. Myself, I always look for the best overall value in equipment and nearly 100% of the time it's second hand equipment. BTW, I wouldn't own a Mercedes, it can't tow my 24 foot enclosed trailer lol. Cheers! Zip~
I have a 17 year old 18hp vangaurd on a snapper ztr. It leaks oil, wasn't kept clean, and never had the valves adjusted. Mowed 1.75 acres every week during season. Just now replaced the mower because it is worn out. Engine still runs strong, probably run better with valve adjustment.
love these vanguards they are bulletproof motors I’ve seen an old 16hp v twin with 2500 hours on it!
If well maintained, they can last many years/hours for sure. Thanks for stopping by Solo! Zip~
That's great to hear. I picked up a sweet Deutz Allis 1816 v for a song. That's a 16hp. Vanguard.
I bought my Husqavarna back in 1993 with the Intek like the one you are comparing to the Vanguard. The engine just broke a connecting rod two days ago. It saw very hard service and lasted 26 yrs.. I must have got lucky I guess.
26 years is a long haul. They are dependable engines to a point Brent. They can last a lot longer with proper care. Cheers! Zip~
Very good video comparing the 2 engines thanks
Thanks for watching!
Nice Video, great information! I think with 33 hrs on my Intek 23hp over three seasons, it will certainly last the rest of my life.
Yes it should! With proper maintenance they're good dependable engines. Cheers! Zip~
my ariens riding mower has an 20 hp intek xrd that has been used on a half acre property since new in 2011. has never failed.
If they are well cared for the Internet can be a very reliable engine. But it is knowing how to keep the engine happy that will yield many many years of trouble free service. Thanks for your input! It shows that you’re mindful of your engines needs! Zip~
healthyamerican I have a 10 year old Ariens with the 20 HP intek XRD, same engine I ran for 10 years, mowing about an acre of grass every week, at least 7 months of the year, putting about 60 hours a year on. changed oil/filters once a year and kept treated gas in it and it never missed a beat.....the hydro torq trans quit at 10 years but the engine still runs fine !!!! Soooo I bought a Husqvarna with the same engine as Ariens no longer makes a riding tractor style lawn mower. Unfortunetly you do not find the expensive Vangard engines on equipment like lawn mowers. it was cheaper to buy a new mower than to buy a new trans and have it installed.
Interesting video. Everything is designed to fail so the consumer has to buy a new one again. Thanks for sharing.
Designed for failure or poor engineering. I side on poor engineering with regards to the Intek line, since Briggs DID revamp the Intek engines to address many of the over heating and clogging issues. But that still leaves millions of the old style out there, lying in wait to fail. We can thank the EPA and our wonderful Government for all the high tech put into these engines now days. If not for them, we'd all still be enjoying our flat head engines lol. Cheers Superman! Haven't seen you around in a while!! Zip~
great information thanks for your time
Hey I’m looking into the Briggs & Stratton whole house generators. They use the Vanguard motor. I want to change it to a trifuel motor. Nice tutorial video
You are 100% right with the Vanguards. They are really rugged engines designed to last. The Intek engines aren't really designed the best. The internals are ok, but the cooling is subpar at best. Briggs and Stratton should at least fix the cooling problems those engines have. I think they have gotten better, but only time will tell. The Vanguards are in my opinion the best small engines on the market. They are very powerful, efficient, low maintenance, very durable and reliable, and parts are cheap. I swapped those engines on a couple of my equipment where the engines eventually wear out from normal use, and I can't complain one bit about them. However, they are a bit harder to work on than the Inteks, but I don't really have to work on them that often because they just run and run. I swapped a 27 HP Kawasaki out of my zero turn for a 27 HP Vanguard and I feel like it has just a bit more power and doesn't guzzle as much fuel. I already have 700+ hours on it and I haven't had one problem so far. So for those who say Briggs and Stratton makes crappy engines, I think they should rethink their opinion on them. Sure they have had some not so impressive designs, some which probably tarnished the company's reputation, but I can say that they are slowly improving their designs, even the residential models (OHV units) are a bit better than they were.
Kohler has made their fair share of less than dependable engines as well. One in particular is the Over Head Cam models. you're lucky to get 600 hours out of one before the cast iron sleeves slip down into the oil sump. They're more commonly known as the Triad. A testament to a good engine is trouble free operation with routine maintenance for the life of the machine. With the Vanguard engines, Briggs got it right. They're advertised as commercial units and they live up to that claim. Cheers Kyle! Thanks for your testament! Zip~
ZippoVarga Thanks, mate! Don't even get me started with Kohler. They are a whole different problem. Many of their engines are great, such as the old cast iron K-series and Magnum engines that were darn near indestructible. The Kohler Commands for the most part are outstanding. But basically everything else seems to have their own set of problems. I have only worked in one Triad engine and it had a hole in the piston. Those engines in particular are a huge pain to work on. But the worst Kohler engines in my opinion is the Courage. I can't tell you how many Cub Cadets, Toros, and craftsman mowers I've had come in with blown Courage engines...with less than 100 hours!!! That's unacceptable! Those engines self destruct even if you take good care of it, and the engine block is paper thin. And the icing on the cake, the gears are all plastic! And the replacement engines are absurdly priced. I usually end up replacing them with Briggs I/C engine or something similar. I don't have many problems with Kohler engines, I think a lot of their engines are really good, but they have had their fair share of design flaws in a free of their engine series. Even Kawasaki has their share of problems. Almost all of the engines that come into the shop are oil drinkers or complete leakers. And they don't even sell crankcase gaskets for some of their engines. Also getting parts for them is a huge pain, especially the older engines. The big block Kawasaki engines also bend pushrods and rocker arms if the valves aren't adjusted frequently. Other than that, Kawasaki engines are pretty reliable strong running engines. Honda engines don't seem to have many flaws, at least not major ones. They seem to be built well from the start. That's why they haven't changed their overall design of their engines since the GX series came out. I don't prefer their OHC units mainly because their carburetors are the biggest pain to install. You have to juggle a whole bunch of gaskets and pieces on only two studs, which is a royal pain. I have lot of Honda engines, and I generally don't have any problems with them and parts are super cheap since there are a lot of aftermarket parts for all of the "chonda" clones out there. The Honda clones that I am seeing more and more now on snowblowers and mowers are only good until they inevitably break. Good luck getting parts for them. It is often cheaper and more worthwhile for the consumer to go buy another one than to fix them. But if I were to pick any engine Brand it would have to be Briggs. There are engines everywhere, parts are cheap and easy to find, they are fairly easy to work on, and they are just simple engines. Of course if you want to go the extra mile, the Vanguard is the best engine of all, in my opinion.
It took me a while to come back around to this reply Kyle. We're in agreement pretty much across the whole small engine world. Have you yet had the pleasure of working on any of the new fuel injected Briggs engines? OBD2 and all!! Cheers Mate! Zip~
Thanks for this information I’m heading to buy a new Briggs
Great video!! This guy really knows his sh*t!!
Thank u Sir 😎👍🏻
Been around these engines for a long time and if it's not a Cast Iron Single cylinder, it's GOT to be a Vanguard! Thanks for stopping by Social! Cheers! Zip~
I have a 22 hp V Twin Intek it's a fantastic engine
As I mention in this video, keep those head cooling fins clean! They will serve you well so long as you do the PM. Cheers! Zip~
My 98 25hp ELS (intek) is still kicking with 630 hrs on it.
Oil & filter change and valve adjustment at the start of the mowing season.
Damn you're from Muncie !I've been following your channel ,for forever .I thought you were from upper Indiana.Wish you were closer.Can't find anybody to work on mowers or what ever around here.Great vids, this was a good one for sure.I always ''like'' your vids,don't know why people can't hit ''like'' .thanks,rudy
I personally love the Vanguards but where I live they are very hard to find, I would love to own one again, the last one I had I found it on eBay for very cheap and I had it shipped from North Carolina which believe me it was well worth it.
I've had good luck with Intex the worst issue I've ever had with them are the carburetors and the two bowl screws.
Something you may or may not know you can get an Intact Twin with a cast aluminum intake one piece.
I learned from this and ill use the knowledge...I have several Intel vtwins until I find a vanguard ill keep the cooling passages clean I appreciate as much as Ii can get...thank you
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Best to pull the cover and clean the fins regularly it's not hard to do and you need to check this for mice anyway, saw taryl do some inspection covers for that reason..
Reminds me of the ole saying you get what you pay for. Details like cooling system fins, spark plug opening, carburetors. All that precision makes it more costly to produce. .but worth it in the long range. JMO.
You're exactly right Ted. The devil is in the details, and even the later model Intek Briggs have made vast improvements over the first generation Intek's. Cheers! Zip~
Great & logical comparison. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
This video was the deciding vote to go vanguard for my new replacement engine. Well done! Well explained! On a side note, you would know better than I, the carb in this video, are there no idle mix screws?
I have a 20hp Vanguard that just goes straight to the max RPM as soon as you start it. Model 358777 Type 0280-E1. Two years ago I had the governor replaced, and have only put a few hundred more hours and it’s doing the same thing. Any chance you think it’s the governor again? The engine only has 400hrs on it and it powers a Simplicity Broadmoor 50/20. Nice videos btw!!
Very nice explanation between the two styles/series.
Thanks Sean. That was interesting.
This is what I've always wondered. I am commenting before I even see the entire video, but I'm pretty sure the intek is actually going to have more torque but sacrifice in reliability. I absolutely love the vanguards and how smooth they run, it's the cam profile. But brute power, intek. I think it has to do with the crank and flywheel inertia. But those REAL Vanguards are bulletproof!
We got 15-16 years out of our Intek. It's a single cylinder. We replaced it with a newer Intek because it was burning oil and it had bad starting problems. I'm gonna try to get it fixed however. Nice video by the way. I would too prefer the Vanguard design over the Intek, but Inteks aren't bad either
So long as they're properly maintained, they will last a long, long time. But there in lies the issue with the mentality of today's society. If I could turn back the clock to the 1960's and show people how things were done back then and how long things last due to proper maintenance, I still don't think it would do any good lol. Good luck with the Intek Single! Cheers! Zip~
@@ZippoVarga thanks! Yeah I heard things were built better back then.
@@motormouth2472 People were built better back then too. They valued the hard earned money they would spend on anything and take care of things. Today....not so much. Don't get me wrong...there are certainly people today who want their equipment to last, but the scales have turned to a throw away society by design by manufacturers. Zip~
@@ZippoVarga 100% im young but i hate todays thow away society. Your absolutely correct bout todays society, very thankful i had a grandpa and dad that valued their hard earned money.
Also don't like the pushrod design on the Intek. No ACR, aluminum and steel pushrods with different expansion rates to compensate. Seen alot of overheated heads with valve guides that have moved. Crazy pushrod ejection into the cam, lean idle circuits, so many blown head gaskets, now siliconed rocker covers makes adjusting the valves that much more difficult.
this is what i like to hear i'm getting a mid 80s simplicity 6216 with a 16hp vanguard should be a cool project
I'll take a lower HP Vanguard over an Intek every day of the week. Zip~
@@ZippoVarga im swapping my 6hp tecumseh to a 16hp vanguard :)
I've seen a lot of the Intek v-twins end up having worn cylinders and rings because the air filter is not sat directly on top of the engine. Intek V-Twins hvae air filter covers that are supposed to route the air up though the filter from the outside and the cover turns it back down into the intake. This becomes another issue as the engine's air filter cover warps and ends up sucking dirty air straight down the intake. It's a really bad design all around. Back in 2001, it started appearing on mowers like Craftsman's and Husqvarna's as a replacement for the Opposed Twin Briggs, however it will never live up to such reliability. The Vanguard is the only one that comes close to opposed twin reliability, however, it is very expensive compared to the Opposed Twin mowers and those old engines can be found on almost anything built from 77-01. At the end of the day, an old Craftsman LT1000 with an Opposed Twin can do circles around anything with a new Intek. Great job on the video.
I'm in total agreement with you on all counts here Ashton. Right down to the Opposed twins. They are my favorite design by far. Simple L head design that just works! Thanks for your input! Zip~
I watched your video again and picked up more things I missed the first time. Just about 50hrs on my 23hp Intek and I’m very interested in what you’re saying about the air guides and clogging. Would you clean these with a narrow bottle brush and compressed air?
Use whatever means you have Thomas. So long as the heads stay free of debris you won't have any issues. A normal part of the routine maintenance is checking the valve lash and often people reuse the valve cover gaskets and they end up leaking. This gives dust and debris a way to stick to the heads making cooling of the head more difficult. So keep it clean for peace of mind. Cheers! Zip~
I'm almost finished with my Intek. Push rod dropped into sump caused from over heating. I just hope the case didn't warp. Had the heads rebuilt. When turning the crank there is a tight spot when one piston hits TDC. Hope the cause is not a warped case. I will find out when cranking. If it's good will clean the cooling fins after every use.
If you can source a blower housing from a newer Intek, they come equipped with access doors on the housing to make cleaning easier. Good luck with it! Zip~
@@ZippoVarga Hey Zippo, thanks for the Tip. I put everything back together and it cranked 1st try. I was worried also about it leaking from the spot where one of the sump cover bolt broke off. I drilled it out and epoxied a 1/4 in stud in the case. Good thing for JB weld! lol. It only takes about 3 min to pull off the blower housing so I will save my money to buy something else. If I knew how I would have made a video of the rebuild. thanks for your videos.
Thank You for taking the time to do the comparison. I’m in the middle of head jobs on a 99’ 25HP intek with 2,000 hrs. It’s been well cared for, but did get dirt packed around one head and the ex guide moved. What oil do you recommend for this otherwise healthy 2,000 hr engine used yr round in the south?
A good 10w30 Synthetic is my suggestion. Zip~
Do the cylinders fire 90 degrees apart or some other configuration?
I have a 1998 Encore z48 that has a 18hp Vanguard motor. I've had the mower since new. I believe I can get another 20 years out of this motor.
They are simply the best engine Briggs has made to date. Cheers! Zip~
To be fair Apples vs oranges Inteks are really for res/homeowners even tho. they say pro on them.
Nice comparison.
Thanks Moe! I haven't forgotten about the spindle...just been CRAZY Busy. Cheers! Zip~
whats your thoughts between the Kawi and vangurd 27 hp?
The Vanguard is made in Japan right? That explains the quality difference
Whats the vanguard mixture screws set at?
Really great vid... made me buy a vanguard 26hp.... now... between the intek and the vanguard what are the starter wiring differences? My intek had just power going to the starter, but I see two screw terminals on the vanguard's starter. Does it take power and ground directly to the starter?
Photos speak louder than words ify. Email me photos and I'll try to help. ZippoVarga@gmail.com Zip~
The vanguard I have is the 18.5 with a single barrel carburetor I know a lot about the small engines I've been working on them since I was like 6 and I'm 18 now but what I can't seem to figure out is on my vanguard why it seems like it locked up and lost power but at the same time as far as I know there's no rods broken or anything like
Which motor sounds better? And what is the bore and stroke and redline on each?
Very good information for sure and I agree with You 😊
I've noticed my Intek's hood air intake is sloppy on my 2015 Husqvarna made Murray's Intek, and it seems as if the hot air that does exit the duct work blows right up against the inside of the hood....and right back on top to go in the air intake.
Would you add a larger oil cooler to the vanguard?
And
Would you reposition the oil cooler ?
Thanks
There truly is no need to install a larger oil cooler and its location is right where there is an opening in the blower housing to further help in keeping the oil nice and cool. I'd leave well enough alone as Briggs build the Vanguard quite well. Cheers! Zip~
Hi i have heared alot that intec 18 20 and 22 hp are the same. What is the difference in them then . Can you make 22 from 18 ? thanks
Hey, where is this shop? I need some tractor parts
What tractor parts?
I have a 16 hp vanguard v twin that has an issue, while idling it only tends to run on one cylinder, but when I rev it up higher then the other cylinder kicks in. I’m stumped on what to do😕
I do a spark diagnosis on the Vanguard in another video where the wire connecting the two coils contains Diodes and one or both go bad. I would start there. Also, the engine may sound normal at operating speed, but will it perform normally under load? Or does it just sound normal and you assume it will operate under load? This is a prime indication that the diode wire needs swapped out. Assuming this is your issue, to order the correct wire, go to the Briggs and Stratton web sight and download your free copy of the Parts List for your tractor, then using the numbers on your engine in conjunction with the manual, you can determine your part number. There are different diode equipped wires depending on your engine model. Then, the best place I've found to order my parts is Partstree.com. Simply enter your part number, hit enter and your options are shown. Keep us posted! Zip~
Is the Briggs Commercial Turf just a beefed up intek? It has a cast intake but looks very similar to the intek.
The engine numbers entered into the Briggs and Stratton sight under manuals will tell you whether it's an Intek or a Vanguard, but most generally, the Vanguard has a metal blower housing and the Intek has a plastic one. The Intek has gone through some transformations over the years to improve reliability, so the cast aluminum intake on an Intek is entirely possible. Cheers! Zip~
www.vanguardengines.com/na/en_us/product-catalog/engines/commercial-series-vtwin-vertical-shaft/commercial-series-270-gross-hp.html
Hi Zippo, nice video, i have a commercial grade 23hp Briggs v twin on my brand new Ferris zero turn. There seems to be a slight knocking noise coming from the middle area of the engine that is a little more present after the mower has been running for a while. It has only done about 8hrs. Just wondering if this is normal? Cheers.
With only 8 hours on it, it should certainly still be under warranty. I would have it serviced.
@@ZippoVarga thanks for the fast reply, so it shouldn't be making that kind of noise? Its definitely sounds a bit more like a tapping noise and its coming more from the back part of the motor and i can only hear it at idle. I read somewhere that the lifters can go bad from it sitting around for a long time waiting to be brought is this true? Sorry for the questions, i just didn't want to take it back to the shop claiming there's something wrong if that noise is normal. Here is a TH-cam link showing the noise, camera doesn't capture it the best though Watch "Briggs and stratton v twin" on TH-cam
th-cam.com/video/QBtNZmDLkNU/w-d-xo.html
Cheers.
Great information thanks. I’m looking at buying a riding mower with the Briggs & Stratton 15 horse industrial in a white riding mower. Would appreciate your thoughts on that engine?
The Single Cylinder I/C 15hp engines are dependable. I would definitely install a fuel shut off in line though , as the carburetors have a tendency to start leaking fuel into the engine due to the Ethanol in our fuels deteriorating the rubber and aluminum components. By installing a shut off, you will also want to let the engine run out the remaining fuel in the carburetor after you shut the fuel off to ensure a long trouble free carburetor. Keep vigilant on maintenance and lubrication. Other than that....Enjoy your new purchase! Zip~
Hey Those Briggs 15 hp originally used Walbro carbs. Now if the carburetor is leaking and needs maintenance the replacement is Nikki carburetor.
Great video ,,What is the Price difference ? ......
For a comparable HP model, the Vanguard will set you back about 30-35% more than an Intek through my research. Cheers Sam! Zip~
Sam Actualy HP to same HP the Vangard is about twice the money !!!!!
Is there a reasonable way to increase air flow on the Intek, such as a bigger blower and/or duct work?
Hey Zippo, i have a 1985 Simplicity 3108 rear engine Calvalier that had a aluminum 190 series Briggs & Stratton 8hp engine that of course had gone bad due to wear. I was wondering if you know of a good quality replacement engine for it? And also one more question: does the Intek shown here have a plastic cam like some other Intek's do? Thanks.
I'll let you know on the cam when I open up the blown 27hp, but if memory serves, when I peeked in the gaping hole in the block, it was a full steel cam and gear. As for the replacement engine suggestion, there are a blue million OHV single Briggs cheap out there that should tuck into the rear fender skirt nicely. Just be sure if it's a used one, that you do a valve adjustment and thorough cleaning. Replace any leaking gaskets and you should be good to go for some time. I would look for an I/C (Cast Iron Bore) for longevity's sake. Cheers Kev! Zip~
Alright i guess i got some engine hunting to do, Thanks!
Craigslist is your best bet. Just make sure you can hear the engine run before buying. I pick them up for anywhere between $75-$125 all day long. I prefer the older metal blower housing versions over the plastic covered ones. The air flow over the engine is much more controlled and less debris seems to accumulate on them. Happy Hunting! Cheers Kev! Zip~
Vanguard vs Kawasaki which one would you chose zipp?
Kawasaki any time hands down. but thats me
Excellent question Robert! I'm partial to USA made, so that's the direction I would go, BUT....I would never turn down the opportunity to own a liquid cooled Kawasaki. VERY good engines! Cheers!! Zip~
The old k series Kawasaki were great along with the Kohler command pro the never stuff is not built as well
I see more Vanguards with crank oil seal leaks . But if both were sitting there i would also take the vanguard . Air filter set up on Vanguards are usually much better . and not sure , but think vanguard life expectancy is almost twice that of a intek . There are different grades of intek `s but all still just inteks . My 2001 , 18 hp and 2005, 22 hp inteks still run well ,
Heya Terry! Nice to see more than "cool" once in a while lmao. I agree...if the Intek is WELL maintained, they can be quite reliable for 1000 hours. The 22hp I have on my Poulan Pro that I rebuilt the head on will forever more be kept clean above maintained in the normal sense. But...If a Vanguard presented it self...it would replace the Intek in the Poulan Pro just because of their reliability. The only engine I would replace a Briggs with is another Briggs though lol. Cheers my Friend! Zip~
I think the vanguard uses metal starter gears. The Intek uses plastic gears.
Please, is it Vanguard consumer - Optimum - better quality and Intek is industrial ?
Exist 810cc/27hp Vanguard with horizontal crank or how could rebuild vertical one to horizontal ?
Nice review my friend. Is the new Intek series called the professional series? Thanks.
It's called the Intek ELS, or Extended Life Series for the professionals. They addressed many of the short falls of the original engines cooling abilities as well as the head design. There's other changes here and there with minor advancements and improvements over the series one. I believe this is series 3 or 4 that's currently in production. I have yet to get my hands on one to check out where they made improvements. They do now offer fuel injected Briggs!!! I'm anxious to get my hands on one of those!!!! Cheers Keith!!! Zip~
good info thanks much
I don't particularly care for anything Briggs put out there. But if I were going to own one, it would be the Vanguard. From a mechanic standpoint, I'd rather see the Intek because that means money in the pocket.
I'm a different kind of mechanic. I would much rather educate the owner on how to prevent issues and not see their equipment in my shop than to have to repeatedly work on their engines due to neglect. The Intek, being a consumer engine series, is more prone to coming in the shop because most owners are not aware that more intense maintenance needs to be performed on them yearly. Vanguard engines are more prevalent on industrial mowers who's owners are often in the lawn care business and maintain their equipment so it will last. But, over all, the better choice is the Vanguard as I show here in this video. Cheers Lawn! Zip~
Big differences are obvious..... so is the price.
True, but you're buying piece of mind. Thanks for stopping by! Zip~
Price point low to mid intek vanguard high end.
Lots of modern engines use plastic intakes... I know they're built tk different price points but the guy running it is a major factor
Some people seem to be able to destroy anything
Dodd, you're exactly right. The engine manufacturers actually have to design "dummy proof" engines and do it under the thumb of the Government. I wouldn't want those engineers jobs. Cheers! Zip~
Good to know
Glad you liked it! Zip~
So the vanguard is the industrial one?
Correct. Zip~
I got me a 215cc vanguard for free, go kart came with it... 7.5hp
Can't beat Free!! Congratulations! Zip~
vanguard uses the alum intake to "brace" the cylinders
vangaurd 23 is best hp to weight and has been used in airplanes for over 10 years
nice video
Yep the vanguard is a much better designed engine all the way around.
what about the briggs professional series looking at a simplicity broadmoore 20hp with the professional series that has 700 hours
RobertKnoghthawk It is also TWICE the money of the Intek !!!!! It damn well better be better !!!!
You just know he closed the doors, turned down the lights, and put on some cologne after the vid...
Will an 17.5hp or 19hp b&s motor have the same bolt pattern as a 10.5 hp b&s?
My 10.5 hp vertical shaft motor blew up and I’m wanting to bolt a larger motor on it.
This goes on a swisher rough cut mower, with that being said, my only problem is the mounting pattern. Thanks and have a great day!
Yes it should have the same bolt pattern Charlie. Zip~
ZippoVarga thanks buddy!
inteks dont have a great reputation,almost as good as a kohler courage......lol
Yeah, they have their issues for sure. Being pro-active with maintenance and you can get a lot of life out of an Intek, but for the most part, it's a home owners throw away mower engine unfortunately. Cheers my Friend! Zip~
I think the Kohler Courage is worse than the Intek. Those engines are just ticking time bombs ready to blow rods out the side of the block. I have had plenty of Cub Cadets come into the shop with those engines, most with blown engines with very low hours. Intek engines aren't that great either, but they have their own set of problems, mainly head gasket failures and oil peaking out of every seal on the block. I have had some that were blown up too, but in most cases it was because the owner never checked the oil. Also the crank seals are kinda crappy, and they can eventually dump out all the oil without you knowing until it's too late. I don't see Kohler Courage engines anymore on any tractor that I've seen, but I do still see plenty of Intek (or engines based on it).
My Briggs Intek Engine is Approximately 19 Years Old & Going STRONG so far are you referring to the New Briggs & Stratton Intek Engines?
@@stevenmaines9114 Vanguard's factory is in Georgia. They even make the blocks there. Watch their TH-cam video. Not sure where you are getting your information from.
Vang period 😊
so the moral of the story is. you get what you pay for.. the vanguard costs alot more than the intek.
The Moral of the story is....Take Care Of Your Engine. I've seen Intek engines with well over 1,000 hours on them that have been well taken care of. So to say they're not capable is a misnomer. They are, so long as the owners stay on top of keeping things clean. Just saying....because the moral wasn't to go buy a Vanguard over an Intek. It was that the Intek takes more TLC to maintain. Zip~
you do know that an engine needs maintenance ! If you cut tall grasses the air will be very dusty and dirty.
Good luck finding a 27 HP Intec engine as they don't make them 23 is about as large as either engine goes and a Vangard is TWICE the money as an Intec !!! You are comparing apples and oranges !!!! DUUUUH!!!!!!
I'm well aware that I'm comparing apples to oranges here Wilburrrrrr. That is the whole point of the comparison. DUUUUH!!!!!! Not everyone realizes that the Intek is a CONSUMER grade engine and that the Vanguard is a Commercial engine. Cheers!! Zip~
very nice side x side comp.i have a 26 intek with over 1800 hours on it.its not used on a mower.....probably why its not as prone to clogging and overheating the heads,cooming valves ect.
i run in a boat......no dust or grass clippings on the water.
i also installed a 20lb coupling on the crank to increase torque.its a lil beast.
th-cam.com/video/kOyTId7TTgk/w-d-xo.html
As long as regular maintenance is performed, these engines will be around 40 years from now, still racking up hours. Cheers Seven and thanks for the story! Zip~
Howz about Kohler and Honda? B&S are crap. Don
Now now...you're gonna hurt my feelings! lol...I've got 80+ year old Briggs still chugging along. It's all in how an engine is maintained, regardless of manufacturer. Any neglected engine is going to fail on you. But...I'll take Honda and Kawasaki over Kohlers any day of the week. Cheers uma!! Zip~
Not a Kohler fan? I see piles of complaints about the Courage, but I never seem to see any about the Command series. Do you see any?
Have a 12hp b&s bought in 92 still ticking.
I have a 22-year-old 15hp Kohler Command that still starts up every time down here in central Florida, only had to replace 3 blade belts, and one tune up so far. Will be replacing my drive belt for the first time this week.
umajunkcollector The B/S Vangard is as good or better than a Honda or Kohler, most Kohlers are junk !!!
10:27 coffe
Intek may get a bad rap but there are much worse Kawasaki experiments they got away with for a while there to name 1, or the courage single lol... there are millions of these inteks destroying grass all over the world, I have one that could use a little work but a $500 replacement new with warranty is so hard to argue with and the intek still runs just not like new.. you would slap some people if you saw how careless they are with equipment maintenance
Oh, believe me....there's been plenty of slap worthy jobs come through the shop here lol. Check out the Conquest series I did a while back. And....all the work was performed by a Brick and Mortar Xmark so called "Mechanic!!" I know I haven't seen it all, but I've seen a lot in the 20 years in the industry. I'm surprised every year by a new level of slap worthy hack jobs lol. Cheers Dodd! Zip~
@@ZippoVarga hack jobs is being nice
Zippo there are a number of people today using the Vanguard engines to power their ultralight aircraft.
I love the Vanguard series. Robust, dependable, easy to maintain and they rarely fail if maintained properly. I actually have a road legal car that is Vanguard powered. Zip~