Not the first time, he doesn't obey the human god completely when rescuing aisha. Resulting in him being a prisoner. It's probably the first time he doesn't take advice from hitogami completely . The previous one he only followed a part of his advice.
It's fun seeing people theorizing what the turning points are... but the actual turning point in this arc is still to come. Remember, Rudeus would have to be away for *two or three years* on this quest.
Thanks a lot for the reaction!! I don't have enough time, so I won't post the takes, notes and changes from the novel, but I will give you a little more context. -Begaritt is the second most dangerous continent, the first one is the demon continent. -If Rudeus makes an absolute perfect and incredibly outstanding travel, he will come back home in 2 years, but between the journey and the actual rescue mission, it will take a minimum of 3 years. -Elinalise knows that, but can't ignore Zenith and even though Paul is Scum, she still wants to help him. He is her family after all (because of rudeus and sylphie) -Elinalise is an S rank adventurer, she is a tank and that helps Rudeus to make the choice of staying home. -The man God is ambiguous with his advices, which makes Rudeus doubt, but it always turns beneficial for him. This time, the man gods advice is simple and clear. Which makes him even more nervous, just how bad will the consequences be if he completly ignores his advice? This episode was great, really frustrating, emotionally, Rudeus has to go and help, but logically, he really shouldn't, everything says that he shouldn't. Next week, there won't be an episode, not sure why, but it will have a special event with the voice actors, the next episode comes out may 26th
Spoiler Alert kinda but... With this episode coming out on mothers day and this being when sylphie finds out she is pregnant and the info about the rescue of his mom I am convinced that they are planning on having a certain episode come out on fathers day.
This episode remind me of one of my regret. Hearing my grandma was in the hospital and choosing to study/ go to school. I'll go see her on weekend, however being told to go the principal office and being in a car with my cousins. No matter what happens things can't change.
In terms of regret, Hitogami basically says that Rudeus is going to regret it no matter what. He is also telling Rudeus to get with Linia or Pursena, so he already doesn't want to do that either. I think Rudeus also has the disadvantage of having extremely limited knowledge of what is happening to rescue Zenith. Geese's letter is extremely vague and the distance makes communication take forever. I don't think we can fault Rudeus for wanting to go and save his mother. Yes, he is going to miss a lot of time with Sylphiette, his child, and sisters, but they would all be safe in Ranoa with his allies. As one of the most powerful mages, he probably feels if he doesn't go, he's not sending the help they may need. Although it's very admirable Elinalise is already planning to go. Overall, shit situation. There's no choice without loss.
"but they would all be safe in Ranoa with his allies" - That is just a very big assumption. He would be gone for at least 2.5 years most likely(and obv. during the birth). Longer if things don't go smoothly. And they usually don't. So probably around 3 years. It's a huge decision to leave your family and pregnant wife for that long. Many, many things can happen in 2-3 years. Can't assume he won't be needed at some point to protect them or help in other ways. Whole decision is based on a pretty sketchy letter and sketchy Hitogami. There are many sketchy things about the letter especially. It's a hard decision either way. Enough logic to reasonably go either way. Though in the end, his decision was more emotional, because of Norn. Well, he was still brooding over it anyway.
That's the thing... I feel too many unknowns with Rudy's wife and kid (him being isekai'd and what not), Greyrat drama, Nanahoshi teleporting stuff... Man-god mentions regret regardless, and I'd rather regret losing my mom than losing my wife or kid. That's coming from a Husband of 17yrs with a 10yo son... Of course I am biased to that, but I also think it logical.
@@TheGenreVersethere’s only one thing you can say for certain and that is that his mother is actively in danger and his family and friends are not. Not being there for them is a risk but it’s reasonable to say it’s worth it to actively go save his mom. The “unknowns” at home I don’t think are as concerning as you’re making them out. His mom has also been trapped for over 7 years I believe.
I think the comparison with the voluntary military enlistment would be fairer if the choice was "enlist in afganistan and have a chance to save your mother and father, or stay at home with your wife". Also the choice between saving wife/mom/child I don't think is fair too :D Is not a straight choice "to save them or not". Zenith is a "save or not" thing, his wife and child will be good with his sisters, zanoba, ariel, like and all the friends he has. If something would happen to them while rudy is away then sure, but Zenith and Paul are a lot more in peril than Sylphie will be for 1-2-3 years.
But he knows regret is something possible in either situation, even with all of the "guards" and "eyes" back home... I would rather regret losing my mom than regret losing my wife or child.
@@TheGenreVerse that is true. Still I think that from an outside perspective, since the man god said that he would regret it either way (if you trust him), I would save my parents that would be in sure danger than worry about a possible one with the others. (ofc you miss the first 3 years of your child life, that sucks, or if anyting happens to Sylphie, but the odds for me are more stacked on zenith/paul problems).
There’s no guarantee Rudy is even needed to help save his mom. Especially when you consider the time delay in both sending/receiving letters and traveling long distance. There’s a lot of risk in potentially going for no reason and wasting a ton of time you could have had with your family with the added chance that something bad happened while you were gone.
@@BuddyChy true, good points, but still I would feel safer leaving my wife in a safe place with reliable friends than risking the "what if" I was really needed the other side. Also the Norn scene I think swayed a lot, probably mostly. The "What if the letter is not late and I am really their last hope" hits harder than "what if something happen to my wife and child that are in a very safe place and with friends"
You made a lot of big assumptions on both sides. Zenith is not "save or not" thing, the situation is unclear and the letter is sketchy af. A lot can happen with Sylphie and his child while he will be gone expectedly for at least close to 3 years. That is a long time. It is understandably a pretty hard decision either way. In the end, what tipped the scale was emotion, not logic. (Ofc. there is the man god as well, whom hasn't steered him wrong thus far, I don't trust him but he can't just ignore him and what he tells him)
Here is the thing with favors I understand the logic of favors but you gotta keep in mind. That begarrit is a 1 year away. and if rudeus call any favor he would need to write them with a letter that can also take months. He would have faster chance saving his family and be back in 2 years. if he didn't wait for write letters for favors. Also another thing to consider there aren't many trustworthy people rudeus can ask. Roxy? she is already there so she can't ask her in worst case scenario roxy could be trouble as well. Rujierd? He is still travelling around trying to find his people he is not gonna stay in one location even if rudeus knows where he is. Elinalise? She arleady said she is going. Ghislaine is sword king she is one of the most powerful people rudeus could ask, BUT.... she is with eris and rudeus doesn't know where eris or ghislaine is. Like i get the standpoint of favors if you could make a quick one phone call but in this world where people can can be months away even a year away its not a handy solution the only thing you would increase is the chance that you are too late to save your family and they die. Rudeus already needs to make a year trip in his mind when he decides to go. So if he wants to be fast he has to hurry.
It don’t make no sense for him to stay like at all saving everyone you know that might be in danger trying to rescue your mother or stay and see your baby be born it’s not like sylphie or the baby is going to die the man god said they would be safe Rudy’s main goal has been to rescue his mom if his dad or mom would die he wouldn’t be able to live with himself he would probably commit suicde bc of guilt of not going and the fact that they don’t understand Rudy’s character is crazy Rudy does not take loss well at all definitely if he felt like he could have prevented it.
@@runawaycloak1752 Yeah, it would also be kind of messed up for roxy and tallhand and everyone that dedicated years of their time to try find rudeus family to just to let them possibly die if he doesn't come help them. Like Roxy has gather tallhand elinalise paul's old party spend all this time searching for rudeus family sure rudeus found aisha himself and lillia, but it was Roxy that found out Zenith's location with kirishika. And she been spending 5 years trying to help. Even elinalise is going out of duty 1. because well rudeus is the husband of her grandchild now but also elinalise was one of the people that told rudeus to stay put until we hear back. So elinalise probably feels responsible too and despite her issues with paul there are people in that party that she gets along with and obviously doesn't want to die. It be odd elinalise even went out to assist with what she started but rudeus just stayed put.
Begaritt is 1 year away at minimum, if travel goes perfect and you are experienced. He is also not going there to just pick her up and immediately go back. Will have to stay there and assist with the rescue for who knows how long. It will absolutely be longer than 2 years. But yes, he doesn't have that many realistic options in calling in a favor and sending someone else. Which would be a pretty big favor to ask. Let alone someone on his level of skill and knowledge.
Then maybe you send letters out, try to get someone headed in the right direction, and join up after the birth. When you know your being from another world doesn't impact Sylphie or the kid. When you've ensured no Greyrat drama results in assassination attempts. When you know Nanahoshi's experiments don't do anything to your family there. Man-god said there will be regrets regardless... I'll regret not saving my mom over regretting losing my wife or kid. Maybe that's because I am a husband and dad IRL... Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@runawaycloak1752 It makes a shit ton of sense for him to say. Especially considering his whole potential departure is solely based on a very sketchy and vague letter. Comprised of a short sentence. Even though it was sent by someone who is a man of many words and loves to talk and talk. Not even sent by Paul. Leaving your wife in a vulnerable state (pregnancy) and child, for at a minimum 2.5-3 years. Is a huge decision. Among many other people who are relying on you.(Nanahoshi too) @DBZFANX1000 " Yeah, it would also be kind of messed up for roxy and tallhand and everyone that dedicated years of their time to try find rudeus family to just to let them possibly die if he doesn't come help them." That's pure speculation, and it was their personal decision to do that, and not because of Rudeus.(aside Roxy I guess) Choosing either path makes enough sense, whether he goes or doesn't. Don't need to feed in all that BS and act like one option is nonsensical. If anything, staying makes more logical sense. 60/40, or 70/30 in favor of staying. In the end, he decided more on emotion, after what happened with Norn. And yes, him deciding to go is perfectly understandable.
Guys i just want to say that i watched some of your reactions way back when you had like 2k subs and i didnt liked much back then because you were kinda inexpressive in your reactions, but since you started mushoku tensei you dont miss, i really love that you (specially christine) are more natural and laughing and all that. You are one of the 3 Mushoku reactors i dont miss weekly, keep it up the good work guys.
In his past life he had nothing to lose and still skipped out on his parents funeral. This time he can possibly lose all the happiness he’s built over the past few years and he’s going to save his parents with no guarantee things will work out. Character development like this is quite literally otherworldly.
Once I heard in a previous episode you mentioning being in the military, I knew this Turning Point would probably hit close to home. Even worse, the anime doesn't mention it, but it had been 2 months between the announcement of Sylphy's pregnancy and the letter from Geese, so she's actually about 4 months pregnant at this point. Unfortunately they're not showing the physical changes of the characters that would really help show the passage of time, such as the fact that Sylphy's hair should be longer than what the anime shows, or her belly actually being noticeably larger now.
I remember this choice was better explained in the novel. It was a tough situation, but I think Rudy made a right call. Also, there are sound reasons for not to trust Man-God too much.
Love your reactions to Mushoku and I think there is no right or wrong choice in this situation, life is about choosing the actions that you will regret the least and this is what Rudeus chose, I can't wait for you to see what's coming 👌🏽
With regards to the "send help" message. The current group trying to rescue Zenith is mainly composed of strong individuals already such as Paul and Roxy; meaning the need is for those with at least equal, if not greater strength. There are very few people who fit the bill (such as Elinalise). I think the only ones of Rudeus's connections that are stronger than him at this point are Ruijerd, Ghislaine, and arguably Badigadi? The first two he doesn't know where they are and he can't very well order a demon king to run an errand for him. So it leaves himself to have the biggest impact to provide support for the mission. Also with regards to Nanahoshi's experiments, remember he's the one supplying the mana so she won't be able to do much if he's not there.
I think what's really weighing your choices here is the Perception of Threat due to 2 reasons: 1.The dangers of the world. 2. Mangods advice. Which results in a more survivalist hierarchy of priorities. Children> Parents > Elderly If you think about it in another way. It's not much different from being scared of random misfortunes. Though Mangods advice amplifies this infinitely, the most infuriating thing is he doesn't mention what he will regret if he goes.
Yes... I'm making a choice based on the information at hand and from the mindset that my kid's life is more valuable than my wife's, whose life is more valuable than my mother's... I also have a mom and dad that would agree with that take. However, my fears are more than just the "dangers of the world" because of Rudy's family drama, teleportation, and being an isekai'd person with a partially isekai'd and mixed species unborn child... 😆
Kyle, considering the entire context of what you've all said, pros and cons, I can understand Rudi's decision, simply because he's not "NORMAL". Rudi is very strong, he knows it, and when faced with the choice of staying or going to save his parents, he chose to go because he knows he can make ALL the difference due to his current power.
If you are saying that because you've read ahead, please don't say that in the comments. Part of good, honest reactions is not knowing if your opinion/theory is founded/right until the series reveals that. The point is, from Rudy's POV, there are too many unknowns to not stay at least through the birth. That's my take as a dad and husband.
@@TheGenreVerse The anime missed this world building detail. Because of Healing magic, Danger from childbirth is non existence. Unless there are people want to straight up assassinate Sylphy's there is really no danger. Rudy is also VVIP in Ranoa, so Sylphy is extra protected. I think you compare it with your own situation. But it's really not the same. You was deployed in a war you have no interest in. While in Rudy mind, it's the equivalent of his Parents are in an active War zone, and he can fly there and make a call to the President to stop the war. While it's still dangerous to Rudeus, he viewed it as only he can do it, other people can help fight the war, but he can STOP the war. And he actually can't see any danger to Sylphy. Can you? And also, just for me, Wife you can divorce, child you can remake, (remember the kid wasn't born yet), but your parents you can't find another. It's an especially strong sentimental of Asian people, like Rudeus. It's very unreasonable to not help your parents when they are in dire need. Especially when you can't see any "visible" danger to your wife and child
By the way, what I really like about the course from a production point of view is that really detailed clothes are drawn in many close ups. Fun fact the season MT has over 80% freelance director working on it because the studio simply gives other projects more priority
This is a very interesting point of view, I'm glad I was able to watch your guys reaction! I think this might be a turning point not because of the situation in and of itself, but because it's the First time Rudy went against Hitogami's advice.
It's a bad situation overall. What if Rudy is the determining factor if they succeed in the mission? What if Zenith, Paul, Roxy, and Elinalise die because Rudy decided not to go?
Man-god said you'll have regrets regardless... I would rather regret losing my mom than regret losing the wife or kid if I could have prevented it. I am a dad and husband... knowing everything Rudy does, I am likely not going... Maybe after the birth, but definitely not before. Too many unknowns with Rudy being from another world and biology, will there be Greyrat drama coming for Sylphie? Could that drama be assassination? Nanahoshi is messing with teleportation stuff, what if that goes awry? Maybe I am overthinking it too much.
What if Sylphie, his child and his sisters die while he is gone for 3years? That is a long time. (Minimum 1 year travel time one way, doesn't mean he'll be back in 2 years. Zenith isn't just waiting there to be picked up, clearly. Then, have to travel with a larger group, in who knows what state, which would make the travel time longer than 1-2 high ranked adventurers traveling alone) What if he isn't the determining factor and things would actually go worse if he went? This is pure speculation, same as what you are doing. Not great for making a decision about anything. You can speculate the same way on both sides. He has only a sketchy af letter to go on and an alleged god telling him not to go. He has valid enough reasons for either path. Though it is somewhat more logical to stay, as it was shown in the episode. In the end, an emotional moment with Norn, tipped the scale. (I am probably more on the side of him going, maybe, but I would still remain logical and say it's not the most logical decision at the moment. Not that you should always make decisions on what is most logical.)
I'm with Norn though, Rudeus has the best chance to help his mom and dad as they are in more danger than Sylphy who has a support system. He can't just call people when it would take too long. We still don't know anything about the man God especially after telling Rudeus to cheat for shady reasons.
I know he said I would regret leaving... Kid>Wife>Parents... I'm a dad and husband, so that's my priorities, and I think they should be any Dad or husband's priorities. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
@@TheGenreVersesort of a agree but what do you do if in two years geese staggers back and says Roxy zenith and Paul are dead, and if you had left right away they’d be alive? Now your sister will hate you for life and you will have to live with the guilt that you could have saved them It’s a difficult choice but I think Rudy made the correct one in the end
I would rather regret that than come back 2-3 years later to find my wife and/or kid are dead, teleported, or captured and held captive.... It's not easy, it's not fair, it's not even necessarily right, but that's how I would feel and think.
@@TheGenreVerse I feel you, but Silphy is one of the most protected persons in the world rn, she has the backing of 5 royals (Demon King Badigadi, Ariel, Zanoba, Linia and Pursena) with open relationships, so everyone knows this. She is one of the most skilled mages in the world with the backing similar of a king behind her. Of course, there is no better felling than you yourself protecting your wife. Plus, accidents can happen and the body she has is as frail as a human body, an accident or a misfortune can end is disaster. Also, she having relationship with royals does sound more like a problem than a solution, but the baking of the Demon King Badigadi alone is enough to scare any crazy idea a bad noble/royal would have)
I Don't Think Anything Will Happen To Sylphie or The Baby Because The Man God Said In 2x4 That He Would Regret Going and That Was Before He Even Went to The Magic University.
Yeah he got her pregnant, but she has a maid, Zenoba, plenty of stuff. Sucks to miss the first year of the kids life, but this could be the matter of his mom and dad both being dead... Also The Mom and Dad are HALFWAY across the world, who is going to travel for an entire year(each way) for someone else? It would have to be an astronomical sum of money. And especially in a dangerous labyrinth! And if Paul, Geese, can't do it, with Rudy they together probably can. He is one of the most powerful people in the world, sitting your #1 draft pick when the game is on the line is a bad choice. The kid isn't going to die, she has a mom to take care of her, a princess, a prince, and plenty of money. The letter did say send help, but it is sooo far, and to a very dangerous place. And if Paul can't do it, I doubt some mercenaries can. And I totally understand wanting to stay with the family, but plenty of single moms with waaay less resources got by just fine, why wouldn't Sylphie be able to do it?
We don't know how much regret is possible for not staying. Biologically i would have concerns, because they're Greyta the s, I would have concerns.... Once I took a wife she became more important than my parents or sister. Once I had a kid, he became more important than my wife... There are
@@TheGenreVerse oh of course, But her life is almost definitely safe. She said they had trouble getting pregnant nothing about miscarriages or anything (I don't think). The parents might be 10% without his help. He is SOOO strong, if you could rush in and save both of them, and bring together that dream family situation you've been hoping for with your own strength, wouldn't you want to do it? I'd be much more worried for them than a pregnant wife with plenty of help personally And if I didn't go, and they died I couldn't forgive myself or look at my sister's in the eye. .(Also the man God is clearly lying, Rudy caught him in lies 🤥)
That's the downside of being the overpowered main character I guess. His presence there would definitely make a huge difference. One can kind of forget that since recent conflicts couldn't be solved with that, but he still is one of the most powerful mages around.
Relating to my earlier comment on the Paul Gaiden, Norn would have suffered greatly if the sisters had been sent to Lilia's family. Lilia's mother, Flute, blamed Paul for various family woes during his time there and absolutely hated the boy. Considering how Paul violated her daughter, one would think she'd also project this ire towards his children. Aisha would have the shield of being the woman's granddaughter, but Norn would be the daugther of the Plague God who gave the woman a year of hell and broke her daughter. Not too sure about how Augusta would feel about the girls. He'd intended to hand the dojo off to Paul and get him married to Lilia, but Paul wrecked that plan and his daughter.
i think you may have not notice but hitogami basicaly set up the situation : he give advice to rudeus so he will separed with eris in bad term ( eris would have be a great persone to send to help ) , he send rudeus go remeet silphy and so when the call for help come he would be in a situation he would likely not going
While Hitogami is not 100% trustworthy, his warnings, combined with the unknowns about the pregnancy, kid itself, teleportation experiments, family/political drama, gives me a lot of pause.
@@TheGenreVerse Hitogami have a ulterior motive that a fact and i think he have set up the situation for rudeus in that way the question is does it good for the world or just for hitogami?
Aisha's shopping trip used up her whole first salary exactly. 26€ for the pots, and 136€ for the drapes. Two silver coins, seven large copper coins, and four copper coins (27 400 yen). Her salary is higher than Rudeus' monthly money of two silver coins back in Roa. Roxy got IIRC five silver coins while tutoring Rudeus.
Imagine if Rudy wasn't sitting in his front door when Norn was sneaking out... Who knows how far she would have made to when Rudy found her missing? Likely not far anyways, she got a twisted ankle for just slipping right in the front door.
I don't think he used metal for the undies. It's just REALLY REALLY thick fabric. Layers upon layers of fabric with magic circles, stapled and likely glued together.
Paul was 19 when Rudeus was born and Zenith had turned 17. They were 18 and ~15, respectively, when they met. And Rudeus would be 17 by the time his first child is born.
I'd say that Rudeus going was a foregone conclusion, he just had to build up the determination. He'd neglected his parents for two decades in his previous life and was kicked out by his siblings coming back from their funeral while he was JOing to uncensored loli. While he doesn't fully internalize Zenith and Paul as his parents, he still treasures them as family and now they're in trouble. His every motivation has turned to family. His father, both of his mothers, and his Master all need his help, and his sister desperately wants her parents to be saved. His wife will be alright with all their friends there, and while it sucks to miss out on his child's earliest milestones, Rudeus' presense for them isn't absolutely necessary.
Guys no matter how many allies Rudy has they are far way: Tribesman are 1 year way from where curently rudy is. Badi and Ruijerd left and only experienced adventurers can go to Begaritt. It takes 2-3 years to get back so he can still fill in the father figure cuz the baby will still technically be baby when he gets back. So i think Rudy made the right decision (morally). How it will turn out is another story. The only one who can teleport between contitents (as far as we know) is Orsted because he knows where these teleportation circles are.(nanahoshi mentions it in thge previous season).
I (Kyle) have a lot more concerns than seeing first steps or hearing first words... But I understand other people's thoughts and feelings on this. A lot of my feelings are informed by being a Dad and my thoughts on the "hierarchy of value" of lives in this situation (kid>wife>sibling>parent). I would personally considering leaving after the birth and that I've ensured my being isekai'd had no negative effects on pregnancy/birth, that Nanahoshi's experiments don't accidentally send Sylphy/Baby Greyrat somewhere, and no Greyrat drama results in assassination.
@@TheGenreVerse Another important factor is that in this world, just like many places in real life in the distant past, Fathers being uninvolved with raising their children was the norm. I can’t say more for fear of going into spoiler territory, but it’s not weird to many, except Rudy, for a parent to be away from their Children in Asura or the Northern Kingdoms. I think a lot of people make the mistake of judging Rudy and his actions based on our modern views of what is culturally acceptable. He’s the one that has to adjust to living in a world that has values completely different to his old one. Often in the books Rudy may not like how something is in the World that surrounds him, but he has no ability to change what’s considered normal or legal (like the slavery issue and Julie), he just tries to do his best.
It feels like Hitogami is indicating that if Rudy leaves to save his Mother, he will regret not being able to hook up with the beast girls and have half-beast kids. He has a small army of people including a power house prince and a diplomatic princess to watch over his wife and siblings. While missing your kids birth would be rough, I think living with the doubt and guilt of not trying to use all of his available power to save his mom would crush him even more.
I dunno... Not how I took it, but even without that, I have a lot of other concerns that would have me trying to send help ASAP with me maybe leaving after the kid is born.
It is not a easy choice but if my mother and possibly my father was in danger and i knew I could do something id find it hard not to even if it ment leaving behind my kid for a couple years and especially if the mother and friends were there to help but thats me as someone who has lost a parent so you guys haveing a kid probably sways you that way like not haveing a parent does mine
Well, yeah. But you can imagine she wouldn't like the idea of him leaving for 3~ years. To put it mildly. She is relying on him, so another person to consider when making the decision. Even if she is far from the top of his priorities when family is involved.
I'd just finished machine-translating the Paul Gaiden the other day. It's the story of Paul's early life from his own birth up to Rudeus' birth. At age 18 his family butler had come to see him in one of the King Dragon Realm's vassal kingdoms just south of Shirone, and Paul kept shooing him away, ultimately knocking him out. For six months the letters didn't stop until the butler came to visit again. Elinalise implored him to go and see the man. Paul's father had died. When the butler originally came, he was carrying word of the father's illness, and how he would've wanted to see Paul again and tell him he's sorry for everything. Paul read those words in the last letter his father ever wrote when he eventually did meet the butler. Paul was still hot-headed enough to reject all of it and told the butler he'd cut him down if he'd ever see him again. Years later as a father himself, he came to understand and regret. That stubborn rejection of responding to the letters is nicely mirrored in Rudeus' weighing of the options.
That advice was weird, I'm not sure what to make of it. Since they're basically Beast folk royalty, maybe Hitogami wants to set Rudeus up to get some real political power. We might be reaching a breaking point between Hitogami and Rudeus. Even if Hitogami is just trying to be helpful. Whatever he wants Rudeus to become might not line with what Rudeus wants. Hitogami might want him to be fantasy MC while Rudeus wants to be slice of life MC.
Oh, that's an interesting way of looking at it. The Man-God certainly has his own agenda going on. But the thing for the beast girls is, either of them marrying would elevate her social standing. They're currently about equal with each other, but if either of them bags the boss and especially has his children, she'd be unquestionably superior to the other. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the one who'd marry Rudeus would be guaranteed Doldia leadership, but it'd be an indicator she'd be more worthy for having found a strong mate.
It's a shame that Rudy pretty much doesn't have anyone who could go in his stead. Elinalise is already going and while she is a high ranked adventurer she can't be compared to powerhouses like Rudy, Ghislaine or Ruijerd. Too bad Rudy doesn't really know where either of those two are right now. Zanoba is a great meatshield but that's kinda it and Cliff is not adventurer material (as much as he tries). Only other one would be Badigadi but he can't be contacted without a party happening (no seriously, despite living there he only appears when he wants to and is hard to be found).
Interestingly enough, in the world of Mushoku Tensei, intercourse during pregnancy is considered taboo, which is why Aisha spoke up. This taboo likely stems from the world’s lower level of medical advancement, influenced by the availability of healing magic. This is the reason the field of medical studies is sorely lacking in Rudy's new world. That cultural aspect is also one of the reasons for the prevalence of concubines and multiple wives in Asura (Where Rudy and Sylphie are from). It's generally viewed by the light novel community as a key reason behind Paul being seduced by Lilia back in season 1 resulting in him cheating on Zenith. Rifujin Sensei has done an excellent job weaving things like this into the world he created to add amazing depth. To top everything off, Rudy and Sylphie are pretty wild in the bedroom.😏
Yes it's a fair opinion to have Rudy himself was conflicted. The only issue is if he does not go does he strain his relationship with his sisters. Defiantly Norn. Not to mention as far as Rudy knows is it only his mother who is in danger. The entire rescue party might be in trouble. What about Paul, Geese, Roxy and any others. Norn said Mom and Dad are in danger. So it's clear that they are probably all worried about both their parents. Rudy also put this off for what 2-3 years already? But yes totally agree on the flip side your leaving a Wife and kid behind for 2-3 years etc. Not to mention what happens if danger comes to his front door while he is gone. I would be torn as well. But I think the moment Mangod suggested he stay and cheat on Sylphy was the nest egg telling him to go instead of following the Mangods advice.
talking on the point where you don't think Rudy should go. Even though its very hard to miss this moment of your Childs birth he really has to go regardless if something happens and they die he is going to blame himself and I mean who wouldn't he is one of the strongest mages in the world and instead of saving his family he decides to stay with the one that's already safe its just a position that you really cant explain away. He knows this which is why this ate away at him for 1-2 weeks before deciding to go and even if he did stay there the birth wouldn't be that exciting because of the looming death of his mom and dad that he left to fend for themselves
If he didn't go this would have destroyed the entire family and I'm not just talking about the one in Begreittt. Before he decided to go in the 2 weeks everyone was scared, it seemed like he was incredibly distant and not present which would have probably worsened over his continued stay at home. Also he has a ton of friends that can watch over her including Ariel. There is also Aisha who's smart AF and knows how to deliver a child because she was taught by Lillia
Not even about being there to see the birth. That would be very shallow. Lots of my fellow Soldiers missed births and birthday celebrations. There are a whole lot of reasons we discussed, and I discuss in other comments/responses, for him to stay.
So... a lot of people see the effects that the Turning Points have on the story, but it is impossible to understand what the phrase refers to. So, I'll kill two very common mistakes for anyone who is curious.. This isn't a spoiler, but it could help you guess, so I'm treating it as spoiler. 1. The turning points signal a major change in the story to the reader, but they aren't about the story. They refer to something in-universe. 2. The turning points are NOT about Rudeus' life. Yes, his is always affected in major ways and yes, he is our protagonist, but they aren't major turning points in his life. That said, there are some 3 or 4 events in the last episode that could be considered THE Turning Point. I had always wondered what it was until a frind of mine point out the most likely event, and I had never considered it.
When it comes to THE Turning Point in this.... It isn't in this episode, but the next. Rudeus' decision to go had been built up to be guaranteed, and his journey would take 2-3 years at this rate.
@@VictorLiso IF you think Rudeus making a conscious decision going against the Man-God is it. Or if you think him receiving the letter is it. SPOILERS I say it's what Nanahoshi does next episode. If you've read the novels, you know what happens in vol 15-16. The events I refer to would happen around the time Rudeus would get back, IF he ever got back without Nanahoshi's help. Not to mention a close call in vol 12.
@@Tounushi It's not, it's something that happens in that chapter (and in the episode). It makes no sense to use the title Turning Point, but it actually be something that happens later..... I'ts his defiance of Hitogami. That's essential to the next step in the plan. What Nanahoshi does has already been accounted.
His family is safe in a village with the strongest mages and fighters in the world protecting her badigadi is there and would protect his wife and yall acting like sylphie is weak she’s one of the strongest people in the shows it literally makes no sense for him to stay there only to see his baby be born. if you way the options save my family from death or see his baby being born man god said nothing about his baby or his wife’s dying all he said is you missing the baby’s birth it makes no sense for him to stay. That’s like getting a call from your mother and your wife’s giving birth I need help someone’s trying to kill me and your a trained cop off duty and your one of the best cops on the planet. to ignore her and say someone else will come and help you is actually crazy. And we also know Rudy has been stated to be basically a god so why would he not send himself to help rescue his mom that’s been his goal since day one sylphie knew this that’s why she said she’s ok with him going sylphie wouldn’t let her parents die even if she was pregnant she would go and fight to save her parents if she had the option to bring them back to life. And your saying you should listen to man god he just told him to sleep with another women and have another kid why do you think that is and should Rudy listen to him since he’s been trying to help him.
Badigadi is no longer in the university, he disappeared after Ruijerd brought Norn and Aisha. Sylphie is not that strong, she is capable, yes, but not that powerful, as a mage she is in between advanced and saint (if you read the novel, you should know that) right now they are in a sword supremacy era, mages are at a great disadvantage, that changes after the end of the entire series. The problem is that he has no information on either side. The letter does not contain almost any information, Geese was not with Paul when he sent Norn and Aisha, he joined later, the letter was sent from Geese instead of Paul, Geese is extremely weak in combat, and even Elinalise said it could of have been sent in a moment of panic, things could of have been better by the time the letter arrived. In the other hand, the man God adviced him not to go to Begaritt, every time he gives an advice to Rudeus, it's for Rudeus Benefit, and even if his advices are ambiguous, it doesn't matter what Rudeus does, as long as he follows his advice, he always benefits from it. Those are facts and the results from his previous experience with the man God. He can't ignore that, I agree that he should help his family, but it is not a decision as simple as you make it look
@@Jose-yn5lr Ik I was just saying that bc they don’t know that so that’s a spoiler and sylphie is one of the strongest at the school no normal person is going to put her in danger she also has the protections of the whole school the man god said you will regret both one would you will miss birth of your child or your family can die which one is worse o would chose to save my family if I had the chance to over seeing my babies birth knowing she is going to bc safe bc the man god basically said she will. Also if Rudys family and friends died and he hears that only if he would’ve went to save them he could’ve change the out come he wouldn’t be able to live with himself he would commit suicide spoiler you know the only reason he didn’t in the light novel was bc of roxy Rudy does not do well when he lets people down sylphie said she was ok with him going
@@Jose-yn5lr I’m not comparing sylphie to the heavy hitter like of the show she’s still capable of beating 95 percent of the show if I’m being generous there’s probably like 13 people ahead of her I’d say Roxy and eris are stronger then her but she’s behind them
Man-god said there will be regrets either way. I would rather regret losing my mom than losing my wife or kid. Too many unknowns going on. Maybe I would leave after the birth, but not before. Not without knowing that my kid doesn't have some sort of effect from my being from another world, that no Greyrat drama is coming for the kid or Sylphie, that Nanahoshi doesn't end up doing something that causes issues... My whole thought process is informed by my life of course... I am a Dad first, husband second, and son third...
@@TheGenreVerse agree! Besides the god told him that he will regret if he goes. For the first time Rudeous ignores the God. Will the god take it as an opportunity to show Rudy that he must not challenge him ? And punish him?
I would just say the ending point of this episode doesn't make Rudy's choice a good justice. It shows him good commitment, but really doesn't justify his choice.
You know ive just thought about it, the op literally shows that rudeus decides to go. I kind of only just realized that. When i watch openings im only half paying attention to them but after looking at it again it just tells you what choice he was going to make in this episode.
Sucks we aren't getting episode 19 this week. We have to wait till next week. Broadcasting schedule has this week as a special Broadcast with cast members.
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When you think about it, Hitogami basically asked Rudeus if he is a cat person or a dog person :P
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Linia or Pursena who would be the better one for him in a what if scenario?..lol
The real turning point is not staying with wife nor saving mom, but Rudy disobeying weird advice from mangod for the first time
Good pov on that.
This is, in fact, undeniably true.
Not the first time, he doesn't obey the human god completely when rescuing aisha.
Resulting in him being a prisoner.
It's probably the first time he doesn't take advice from hitogami completely .
The previous one he only followed a part of his advice.
It's fun seeing people theorizing what the turning points are... but the actual turning point in this arc is still to come.
Remember, Rudeus would have to be away for *two or three years* on this quest.
It's a turning point because the course of his life will change. Can't say more than this... You guys will see
Thanks a lot for the reaction!! I don't have enough time, so I won't post the takes, notes and changes from the novel, but I will give you a little more context.
-Begaritt is the second most dangerous continent, the first one is the demon continent.
-If Rudeus makes an absolute perfect and incredibly outstanding travel, he will come back home in 2 years, but between the journey and the actual rescue mission, it will take a minimum of 3 years.
-Elinalise knows that, but can't ignore Zenith and even though Paul is Scum, she still wants to help him. He is her family after all (because of rudeus and sylphie)
-Elinalise is an S rank adventurer, she is a tank and that helps Rudeus to make the choice of staying home.
-The man God is ambiguous with his advices, which makes Rudeus doubt, but it always turns beneficial for him. This time, the man gods advice is simple and clear. Which makes him even more nervous, just how bad will the consequences be if he completly ignores his advice?
This episode was great, really frustrating, emotionally, Rudeus has to go and help, but logically, he really shouldn't, everything says that he shouldn't.
Next week, there won't be an episode, not sure why, but it will have a special event with the voice actors, the next episode comes out may 26th
Spoiler Alert kinda but...
With this episode coming out on mothers day and this being when sylphie finds out she is pregnant and the info about the rescue of his mom I am convinced that they are planning on having a certain episode come out on fathers day.
This episode remind me of one of my regret. Hearing my grandma was in the hospital and choosing to study/ go to school. I'll go see her on weekend, however being told to go the principal office and being in a car with my cousins. No matter what happens things can't change.
Sorry for your loss. Thanks for sharing.
In terms of regret, Hitogami basically says that Rudeus is going to regret it no matter what. He is also telling Rudeus to get with Linia or Pursena, so he already doesn't want to do that either. I think Rudeus also has the disadvantage of having extremely limited knowledge of what is happening to rescue Zenith. Geese's letter is extremely vague and the distance makes communication take forever. I don't think we can fault Rudeus for wanting to go and save his mother. Yes, he is going to miss a lot of time with Sylphiette, his child, and sisters, but they would all be safe in Ranoa with his allies. As one of the most powerful mages, he probably feels if he doesn't go, he's not sending the help they may need. Although it's very admirable Elinalise is already planning to go. Overall, shit situation. There's no choice without loss.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't
"but they would all be safe in Ranoa with his allies" - That is just a very big assumption. He would be gone for at least 2.5 years most likely(and obv. during the birth). Longer if things don't go smoothly. And they usually don't. So probably around 3 years. It's a huge decision to leave your family and pregnant wife for that long. Many, many things can happen in 2-3 years. Can't assume he won't be needed at some point to protect them or help in other ways.
Whole decision is based on a pretty sketchy letter and sketchy Hitogami. There are many sketchy things about the letter especially.
It's a hard decision either way. Enough logic to reasonably go either way. Though in the end, his decision was more emotional, because of Norn. Well, he was still brooding over it anyway.
This tells so much without telling anything
That's the thing... I feel too many unknowns with Rudy's wife and kid (him being isekai'd and what not), Greyrat drama, Nanahoshi teleporting stuff... Man-god mentions regret regardless, and I'd rather regret losing my mom than losing my wife or kid. That's coming from a Husband of 17yrs with a 10yo son... Of course I am biased to that, but I also think it logical.
@@TheGenreVersethere’s only one thing you can say for certain and that is that his mother is actively in danger and his family and friends are not. Not being there for them is a risk but it’s reasonable to say it’s worth it to actively go save his mom. The “unknowns” at home I don’t think are as concerning as you’re making them out. His mom has also been trapped for over 7 years I believe.
I think the comparison with the voluntary military enlistment would be fairer if the choice was "enlist in afganistan and have a chance to save your mother and father, or stay at home with your wife". Also the choice between saving wife/mom/child I don't think is fair too :D Is not a straight choice "to save them or not". Zenith is a "save or not" thing, his wife and child will be good with his sisters, zanoba, ariel, like and all the friends he has. If something would happen to them while rudy is away then sure, but Zenith and Paul are a lot more in peril than Sylphie will be for 1-2-3 years.
But he knows regret is something possible in either situation, even with all of the "guards" and "eyes" back home... I would rather regret losing my mom than regret losing my wife or child.
@@TheGenreVerse that is true. Still I think that from an outside perspective, since the man god said that he would regret it either way (if you trust him), I would save my parents that would be in sure danger than worry about a possible one with the others. (ofc you miss the first 3 years of your child life, that sucks, or if anyting happens to Sylphie, but the odds for me are more stacked on zenith/paul problems).
There’s no guarantee Rudy is even needed to help save his mom. Especially when you consider the time delay in both sending/receiving letters and traveling long distance. There’s a lot of risk in potentially going for no reason and wasting a ton of time you could have had with your family with the added chance that something bad happened while you were gone.
@@BuddyChy true, good points, but still I would feel safer leaving my wife in a safe place with reliable friends than risking the "what if" I was really needed the other side. Also the Norn scene I think swayed a lot, probably mostly. The "What if the letter is not late and I am really their last hope" hits harder than "what if something happen to my wife and child that are in a very safe place and with friends"
You made a lot of big assumptions on both sides. Zenith is not "save or not" thing, the situation is unclear and the letter is sketchy af. A lot can happen with Sylphie and his child while he will be gone expectedly for at least close to 3 years. That is a long time.
It is understandably a pretty hard decision either way. In the end, what tipped the scale was emotion, not logic.
(Ofc. there is the man god as well, whom hasn't steered him wrong thus far, I don't trust him but he can't just ignore him and what he tells him)
Here is the thing with favors I understand the logic of favors but you gotta keep in mind. That begarrit is a 1 year away. and if rudeus call any favor he would need to write them with a letter that can also take months. He would have faster chance saving his family and be back in 2 years. if he didn't wait for write letters for favors. Also another thing to consider there aren't many trustworthy people rudeus can ask. Roxy? she is already there so she can't ask her in worst case scenario roxy could be trouble as well. Rujierd? He is still travelling around trying to find his people he is not gonna stay in one location even if rudeus knows where he is. Elinalise? She arleady said she is going. Ghislaine is sword king she is one of the most powerful people rudeus could ask, BUT.... she is with eris and rudeus doesn't know where eris or ghislaine is.
Like i get the standpoint of favors if you could make a quick one phone call but in this world where people can can be months away even a year away its not a handy solution the only thing you would increase is the chance that you are too late to save your family and they die. Rudeus already needs to make a year trip in his mind when he decides to go. So if he wants to be fast he has to hurry.
It don’t make no sense for him to stay like at all saving everyone you know that might be in danger trying to rescue your mother or stay and see your baby be born it’s not like sylphie or the baby is going to die the man god said they would be safe Rudy’s main goal has been to rescue his mom if his dad or mom would die he wouldn’t be able to live with himself he would probably commit suicde bc of guilt of not going and the fact that they don’t understand Rudy’s character is crazy Rudy does not take loss well at all definitely if he felt like he could have prevented it.
@@runawaycloak1752 Yeah, it would also be kind of messed up for roxy and tallhand and everyone that dedicated years of their time to try find rudeus family to just to let them possibly die if he doesn't come help them. Like Roxy has gather tallhand elinalise paul's old party spend all this time searching for rudeus family sure rudeus found aisha himself and lillia, but it was Roxy that found out Zenith's location with kirishika. And she been spending 5 years trying to help.
Even elinalise is going out of duty 1. because well rudeus is the husband of her grandchild now but also elinalise was one of the people that told rudeus to stay put until we hear back. So elinalise probably feels responsible too and despite her issues with paul there are people in that party that she gets along with and obviously doesn't want to die. It be odd elinalise even went out to assist with what she started but rudeus just stayed put.
Begaritt is 1 year away at minimum, if travel goes perfect and you are experienced. He is also not going there to just pick her up and immediately go back. Will have to stay there and assist with the rescue for who knows how long. It will absolutely be longer than 2 years.
But yes, he doesn't have that many realistic options in calling in a favor and sending someone else. Which would be a pretty big favor to ask. Let alone someone on his level of skill and knowledge.
Then maybe you send letters out, try to get someone headed in the right direction, and join up after the birth. When you know your being from another world doesn't impact Sylphie or the kid. When you've ensured no Greyrat drama results in assassination attempts. When you know Nanahoshi's experiments don't do anything to your family there. Man-god said there will be regrets regardless... I'll regret not saving my mom over regretting losing my wife or kid. Maybe that's because I am a husband and dad IRL... Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@runawaycloak1752 It makes a shit ton of sense for him to say. Especially considering his whole potential departure is solely based on a very sketchy and vague letter. Comprised of a short sentence. Even though it was sent by someone who is a man of many words and loves to talk and talk. Not even sent by Paul.
Leaving your wife in a vulnerable state (pregnancy) and child, for at a minimum 2.5-3 years. Is a huge decision. Among many other people who are relying on you.(Nanahoshi too)
@DBZFANX1000 " Yeah, it would also be kind of messed up for roxy and tallhand and everyone that dedicated years of their time to try find rudeus family to just to let them possibly die if he doesn't come help them."
That's pure speculation, and it was their personal decision to do that, and not because of Rudeus.(aside Roxy I guess)
Choosing either path makes enough sense, whether he goes or doesn't. Don't need to feed in all that BS and act like one option is nonsensical. If anything, staying makes more logical sense. 60/40, or 70/30 in favor of staying. In the end, he decided more on emotion, after what happened with Norn.
And yes, him deciding to go is perfectly understandable.
Guys i just want to say that i watched some of your reactions way back when you had like 2k subs and i didnt liked much back then because you were kinda inexpressive in your reactions, but since you started mushoku tensei you dont miss, i really love that you (specially christine) are more natural and laughing and all that. You are one of the 3 Mushoku reactors i dont miss weekly, keep it up the good work guys.
Thank you for giving us a chance to grow! It's been a fun adventure. Thanks for watching and thanks for the support!
In his past life he had nothing to lose and still skipped out on his parents funeral. This time he can possibly lose all the happiness he’s built over the past few years and he’s going to save his parents with no guarantee things will work out. Character development like this is quite literally otherworldly.
Once I heard in a previous episode you mentioning being in the military, I knew this Turning Point would probably hit close to home. Even worse, the anime doesn't mention it, but it had been 2 months between the announcement of Sylphy's pregnancy and the letter from Geese, so she's actually about 4 months pregnant at this point. Unfortunately they're not showing the physical changes of the characters that would really help show the passage of time, such as the fact that Sylphy's hair should be longer than what the anime shows, or her belly actually being noticeably larger now.
I remember this choice was better explained in the novel. It was a tough situation, but I think Rudy made a right call. Also, there are sound reasons for not to trust Man-God too much.
Maybe...
Love your reactions to Mushoku and I think there is no right or wrong choice in this situation, life is about choosing the actions that you will regret the least and this is what Rudeus chose, I can't wait for you to see what's coming 👌🏽
With regards to the "send help" message. The current group trying to rescue Zenith is mainly composed of strong individuals already such as Paul and Roxy; meaning the need is for those with at least equal, if not greater strength. There are very few people who fit the bill (such as Elinalise). I think the only ones of Rudeus's connections that are stronger than him at this point are Ruijerd, Ghislaine, and arguably Badigadi? The first two he doesn't know where they are and he can't very well order a demon king to run an errand for him. So it leaves himself to have the biggest impact to provide support for the mission. Also with regards to Nanahoshi's experiments, remember he's the one supplying the mana so she won't be able to do much if he's not there.
I like how the episode does exactly what it intended... Make us all discuss the choice... Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I think what's really weighing your choices here is the Perception of Threat due to 2 reasons:
1.The dangers of the world. 2. Mangods advice.
Which results in a more survivalist hierarchy of priorities. Children> Parents > Elderly
If you think about it in another way. It's not much different from being scared of random misfortunes. Though Mangods advice amplifies this infinitely, the most infuriating thing is he doesn't mention what he will regret if he goes.
Yes... I'm making a choice based on the information at hand and from the mindset that my kid's life is more valuable than my wife's, whose life is more valuable than my mother's... I also have a mom and dad that would agree with that take. However, my fears are more than just the "dangers of the world" because of Rudy's family drama, teleportation, and being an isekai'd person with a partially isekai'd and mixed species unborn child... 😆
Kyle, considering the entire context of what you've all said, pros and cons, I can understand Rudi's decision, simply because he's not "NORMAL". Rudi is very strong, he knows it, and when faced with the choice of staying or going to save his parents, he chose to go because he knows he can make ALL the difference due to his current power.
His power may be needed at home though... Too many risks IMO. Maybe he can go after the birth...
@@TheGenreVerse there isn't any risks at home brother...it's just he won't be with his wife while their baby is born
If you are saying that because you've read ahead, please don't say that in the comments. Part of good, honest reactions is not knowing if your opinion/theory is founded/right until the series reveals that.
The point is, from Rudy's POV, there are too many unknowns to not stay at least through the birth. That's my take as a dad and husband.
@@TheGenreVerse The anime missed this world building detail. Because of Healing magic, Danger from childbirth is non existence. Unless there are people want to straight up assassinate Sylphy's there is really no danger. Rudy is also VVIP in Ranoa, so Sylphy is extra protected.
I think you compare it with your own situation. But it's really not the same. You was deployed in a war you have no interest in. While in Rudy mind, it's the equivalent of his Parents are in an active War zone, and he can fly there and make a call to the President to stop the war.
While it's still dangerous to Rudeus, he viewed it as only he can do it, other people can help fight the war, but he can STOP the war. And he actually can't see any danger to Sylphy. Can you?
And also, just for me, Wife you can divorce, child you can remake, (remember the kid wasn't born yet), but your parents you can't find another. It's an especially strong sentimental of Asian people, like Rudeus. It's very unreasonable to not help your parents when they are in dire need. Especially when you can't see any "visible" danger to your wife and child
By the way, what I really like about the course from a production point of view is that really detailed clothes are drawn in many close ups. Fun fact the season MT has over 80% freelance director working on it because the studio simply gives other projects more priority
Pretty wild that Studio Bind would prioritize other projects considering Mushoku Tensei is supposed to be the main focus of that studio...
This is a very interesting point of view, I'm glad I was able to watch your guys reaction! I think this might be a turning point not because of the situation in and of itself, but because it's the First time Rudy went against Hitogami's advice.
It's a bad situation overall. What if Rudy is the determining factor if they succeed in the mission?
What if Zenith, Paul, Roxy, and Elinalise die because Rudy decided not to go?
Man-god said you'll have regrets regardless... I would rather regret losing my mom than regret losing the wife or kid if I could have prevented it. I am a dad and husband... knowing everything Rudy does, I am likely not going... Maybe after the birth, but definitely not before. Too many unknowns with Rudy being from another world and biology, will there be Greyrat drama coming for Sylphie? Could that drama be assassination? Nanahoshi is messing with teleportation stuff, what if that goes awry? Maybe I am overthinking it too much.
What if Sylphie, his child and his sisters die while he is gone for 3years? That is a long time. (Minimum 1 year travel time one way, doesn't mean he'll be back in 2 years. Zenith isn't just waiting there to be picked up, clearly. Then, have to travel with a larger group, in who knows what state, which would make the travel time longer than 1-2 high ranked adventurers traveling alone)
What if he isn't the determining factor and things would actually go worse if he went?
This is pure speculation, same as what you are doing. Not great for making a decision about anything.
You can speculate the same way on both sides. He has only a sketchy af letter to go on and an alleged god telling him not to go.
He has valid enough reasons for either path. Though it is somewhat more logical to stay, as it was shown in the episode. In the end, an emotional moment with Norn, tipped the scale.
(I am probably more on the side of him going, maybe, but I would still remain logical and say it's not the most logical decision at the moment. Not that you should always make decisions on what is most logical.)
I'm with Norn though, Rudeus has the best chance to help his mom and dad as they are in more danger than Sylphy who has a support system. He can't just call people when it would take too long. We still don't know anything about the man God especially after telling Rudeus to cheat for shady reasons.
I know he said I would regret leaving... Kid>Wife>Parents... I'm a dad and husband, so that's my priorities, and I think they should be any Dad or husband's priorities. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
@@TheGenreVersesort of a agree but what do you do if in two years geese staggers back and says Roxy zenith and Paul are dead, and if you had left right away they’d be alive?
Now your sister will hate you for life and you will have to live with the guilt that you could have saved them
It’s a difficult choice but I think Rudy made the correct one in the end
I would rather regret that than come back 2-3 years later to find my wife and/or kid are dead, teleported, or captured and held captive.... It's not easy, it's not fair, it's not even necessarily right, but that's how I would feel and think.
@@TheGenreVerse I feel you, but Silphy is one of the most protected persons in the world rn, she has the backing of 5 royals (Demon King Badigadi, Ariel, Zanoba, Linia and Pursena) with open relationships, so everyone knows this. She is one of the most skilled mages in the world with the backing similar of a king behind her. Of course, there is no better felling than you yourself protecting your wife. Plus, accidents can happen and the body she has is as frail as a human body, an accident or a misfortune can end is disaster. Also, she having relationship with royals does sound more like a problem than a solution, but the baking of the Demon King Badigadi alone is enough to scare any crazy idea a bad noble/royal would have)
I Don't Think Anything Will Happen To Sylphie or The Baby Because The Man God Said In 2x4 That He Would Regret Going and That Was Before He Even Went to The Magic University.
He'll still regret going now he is told too. That first regret would be not having what he has now. What does the next regret look like?
if you havent noticed, hitogami's advice always seems to be steering away rudy from someone indirectly
Yeah he got her pregnant, but she has a maid, Zenoba, plenty of stuff. Sucks to miss the first year of the kids life, but this could be the matter of his mom and dad both being dead... Also The Mom and Dad are HALFWAY across the world, who is going to travel for an entire year(each way) for someone else? It would have to be an astronomical sum of money. And especially in a dangerous labyrinth! And if Paul, Geese, can't do it, with Rudy they together probably can. He is one of the most powerful people in the world, sitting your #1 draft pick when the game is on the line is a bad choice.
The kid isn't going to die, she has a mom to take care of her, a princess, a prince, and plenty of money. The letter did say send help, but it is sooo far, and to a very dangerous place. And if Paul can't do it, I doubt some mercenaries can. And I totally understand wanting to stay with the family, but plenty of single moms with waaay less resources got by just fine, why wouldn't Sylphie be able to do it?
We don't know how much regret is possible for not staying. Biologically i would have concerns, because they're Greyta the s, I would have concerns.... Once I took a wife she became more important than my parents or sister. Once I had a kid, he became more important than my wife... There are
@@TheGenreVerse oh of course, But her life is almost definitely safe. She said they had trouble getting pregnant nothing about miscarriages or anything (I don't think). The parents might be 10% without his help. He is SOOO strong, if you could rush in and save both of them, and bring together that dream family situation you've been hoping for with your own strength, wouldn't you want to do it? I'd be much more worried for them than a pregnant wife with plenty of help personally
And if I didn't go, and they died I couldn't forgive myself or look at my sister's in the eye.
.(Also the man God is clearly lying, Rudy caught him in lies 🤥)
That's the downside of being the overpowered main character I guess. His presence there would definitely make a huge difference.
One can kind of forget that since recent conflicts couldn't be solved with that, but he still is one of the most powerful mages around.
Pretty knowledge-able too. Be very hard to find anyone that could replace him.
Brought up some good points I hadn't thought about.
Awesome!
All I can say without spoiler is that TP3 is a set up for TP4 that will happen in S3, probably 1 year or two after S2 finished.
This is the perfect comments, but the fallout of tp3 is a domino, going so long it turns into a nuke
Relating to my earlier comment on the Paul Gaiden, Norn would have suffered greatly if the sisters had been sent to Lilia's family.
Lilia's mother, Flute, blamed Paul for various family woes during his time there and absolutely hated the boy. Considering how Paul violated her daughter, one would think she'd also project this ire towards his children. Aisha would have the shield of being the woman's granddaughter, but Norn would be the daugther of the Plague God who gave the woman a year of hell and broke her daughter.
Not too sure about how Augusta would feel about the girls. He'd intended to hand the dojo off to Paul and get him married to Lilia, but Paul wrecked that plan and his daughter.
I was literally just about to go to sleep... Neeevermind I guess xD
Seriously one of the about 5 channels I absolutely can't miss the Mushoku Tensei reactions of
Awww... Thanks! But please, don't choose us over sleep 😆
i think you may have not notice but hitogami basicaly set up the situation : he give advice to rudeus so he will separed with eris in bad term ( eris would have be a great persone to send to help ) , he send rudeus go remeet silphy and so when the call for help come he would be in a situation he would likely not going
While Hitogami is not 100% trustworthy, his warnings, combined with the unknowns about the pregnancy, kid itself, teleportation experiments, family/political drama, gives me a lot of pause.
@@TheGenreVerse Hitogami have a ulterior motive that a fact and i think he have set up the situation for rudeus in that way the question is does it good for the world or just for hitogami?
Aisha's shopping trip used up her whole first salary exactly.
26€ for the pots, and 136€ for the drapes. Two silver coins, seven large copper coins, and four copper coins (27 400 yen).
Her salary is higher than Rudeus' monthly money of two silver coins back in Roa.
Roxy got IIRC five silver coins while tutoring Rudeus.
Imagine if Rudy wasn't sitting in his front door when Norn was sneaking out...
Who knows how far she would have made to when Rudy found her missing?
Likely not far anyways, she got a twisted ankle for just slipping right in the front door.
that was the first stumble they've shown her have in the anime. She often trips over her feet in the novels.
She would have died 100% against the first monster she would have encountered on the road...... luckily Rudy was sitting outside😔
@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 She already got Yamcha'd by a set of porch stairs.
@@Tounushi lmao🤣🤣🤣
There are a lot of "what ifs" in this episode... Makes for good discussions!
I don't think he used metal for the undies. It's just REALLY REALLY thick fabric. Layers upon layers of fabric with magic circles, stapled and likely glued together.
They shoulda added a pattern then! 😆
Imagine being in your early thirties, and being a grandfather (Paul)
17 with Rudeus
33 with L _ _ _ _ _
I'm almost 40 with a 10yo... When my dad turned 40 I was about to graduate high school... Not the same, but still... 😆
Paul was 19 when Rudeus was born and Zenith had turned 17. They were 18 and ~15, respectively, when they met.
And Rudeus would be 17 by the time his first child is born.
I'd say that Rudeus going was a foregone conclusion, he just had to build up the determination.
He'd neglected his parents for two decades in his previous life and was kicked out by his siblings coming back from their funeral while he was JOing to uncensored loli.
While he doesn't fully internalize Zenith and Paul as his parents, he still treasures them as family and now they're in trouble. His every motivation has turned to family. His father, both of his mothers, and his Master all need his help, and his sister desperately wants her parents to be saved. His wife will be alright with all their friends there, and while it sucks to miss out on his child's earliest milestones, Rudeus' presense for them isn't absolutely necessary.
It's not even about missing milestones or birth for me. Serving in the Army, and being an Army brat, means I've missed a lot of things, as did my dad.
Guys no matter how many allies Rudy has they are far way: Tribesman are 1 year way from where curently rudy is. Badi and Ruijerd left and only experienced adventurers can go to Begaritt. It takes 2-3 years to get back so he can still fill in the father figure cuz the baby will still technically be baby when he gets back. So i think Rudy made the right decision (morally). How it will turn out is another story. The only one who can teleport between contitents (as far as we know) is Orsted because he knows where these teleportation circles are.(nanahoshi mentions it in thge previous season).
I (Kyle) have a lot more concerns than seeing first steps or hearing first words... But I understand other people's thoughts and feelings on this. A lot of my feelings are informed by being a Dad and my thoughts on the "hierarchy of value" of lives in this situation (kid>wife>sibling>parent). I would personally considering leaving after the birth and that I've ensured my being isekai'd had no negative effects on pregnancy/birth, that Nanahoshi's experiments don't accidentally send Sylphy/Baby Greyrat somewhere, and no Greyrat drama results in assassination.
Reactors: tired of slice of life, hope something happen
Geese: we need help
Reactors: nooooo, don't go
We were never tied of the SoL 😆
Have you not considered that Hitogami is trying to keep Rudy from going there for some other reason?
Sure, but I have plenty of other concerns.
@@TheGenreVerse Another important factor is that in this world, just like many places in real life in the distant past, Fathers being uninvolved with raising their children was the norm. I can’t say more for fear of going into spoiler territory, but it’s not weird to many, except Rudy, for a parent to be away from their Children in Asura or the Northern Kingdoms.
I think a lot of people make the mistake of judging Rudy and his actions based on our modern views of what is culturally acceptable. He’s the one that has to adjust to living in a world that has values completely different to his old one. Often in the books Rudy may not like how something is in the World that surrounds him, but he has no ability to change what’s considered normal or legal (like the slavery issue and Julie), he just tries to do his best.
It feels like Hitogami is indicating that if Rudy leaves to save his Mother, he will regret not being able to hook up with the beast girls and have half-beast kids. He has a small army of people including a power house prince and a diplomatic princess to watch over his wife and siblings. While missing your kids birth would be rough, I think living with the doubt and guilt of not trying to use all of his available power to save his mom would crush him even more.
I dunno... Not how I took it, but even without that, I have a lot of other concerns that would have me trying to send help ASAP with me maybe leaving after the kid is born.
It is not a easy choice but if my mother and possibly my father was in danger and i knew I could do something id find it hard not to even if it ment leaving behind my kid for a couple years and especially if the mother and friends were there to help but thats me as someone who has lost a parent so you guys haveing a kid probably sways you that way like not haveing a parent does mine
The whole Nanahoshi thing cant really happen without him there. He is her Manabatterie so accidents will be limited. >
Well, yeah. But you can imagine she wouldn't like the idea of him leaving for 3~ years. To put it mildly. She is relying on him, so another person to consider when making the decision. Even if she is far from the top of his priorities when family is involved.
Maybe... Rudy can't be sure though... I'd have concerns.
I'd just finished machine-translating the Paul Gaiden the other day. It's the story of Paul's early life from his own birth up to Rudeus' birth.
At age 18 his family butler had come to see him in one of the King Dragon Realm's vassal kingdoms just south of Shirone, and Paul kept shooing him away, ultimately knocking him out. For six months the letters didn't stop until the butler came to visit again. Elinalise implored him to go and see the man.
Paul's father had died. When the butler originally came, he was carrying word of the father's illness, and how he would've wanted to see Paul again and tell him he's sorry for everything. Paul read those words in the last letter his father ever wrote when he eventually did meet the butler.
Paul was still hot-headed enough to reject all of it and told the butler he'd cut him down if he'd ever see him again.
Years later as a father himself, he came to understand and regret.
That stubborn rejection of responding to the letters is nicely mirrored in Rudeus' weighing of the options.
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Lmaooo I can’t wait to see the change in mindset in the next episodes😂
Whose?
That advice was weird, I'm not sure what to make of it. Since they're basically Beast folk royalty, maybe Hitogami wants to set Rudeus up to get some real political power. We might be reaching a breaking point between Hitogami and Rudeus. Even if Hitogami is just trying to be helpful. Whatever he wants Rudeus to become might not line with what Rudeus wants. Hitogami might want him to be fantasy MC while Rudeus wants to be slice of life MC.
Oh, that's an interesting way of looking at it. The Man-God certainly has his own agenda going on.
But the thing for the beast girls is, either of them marrying would elevate her social standing. They're currently about equal with each other, but if either of them bags the boss and especially has his children, she'd be unquestionably superior to the other.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the one who'd marry Rudeus would be guaranteed Doldia leadership, but it'd be an indicator she'd be more worthy for having found a strong mate.
It's a shame that Rudy pretty much doesn't have anyone who could go in his stead. Elinalise is already going and while she is a high ranked adventurer she can't be compared to powerhouses like Rudy, Ghislaine or Ruijerd. Too bad Rudy doesn't really know where either of those two are right now. Zanoba is a great meatshield but that's kinda it and Cliff is not adventurer material (as much as he tries). Only other one would be Badigadi but he can't be contacted without a party happening (no seriously, despite living there he only appears when he wants to and is hard to be found).
Interestingly enough, in the world of Mushoku Tensei, intercourse during pregnancy is considered taboo, which is why Aisha spoke up. This taboo likely stems from the world’s lower level of medical advancement, influenced by the availability of healing magic. This is the reason the field of medical studies is sorely lacking in Rudy's new world.
That cultural aspect is also one of the reasons for the prevalence of concubines and multiple wives in Asura (Where Rudy and Sylphie are from). It's generally viewed by the light novel community as a key reason behind Paul being seduced by Lilia back in season 1 resulting in him cheating on Zenith.
Rifujin Sensei has done an excellent job weaving things like this into the world he created to add amazing depth.
To top everything off, Rudy and Sylphie are pretty wild in the bedroom.😏
I missed out on pregnancy sex 😆. I made a deposit in Christine before going to Afghanistan and told the baby to hold my place....
Goooooood ep ....
Next arc
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Lets gooo
No ep. next week though. Sadge.
Hmm just off topic while watching the op part rn... youtube needs a spoiler marking feature like discord
You forgot the 4th kind of military baby, the infidelity kind...
Unfortunate but apparently fairly common from anecdotal evidence.
Yeah.... That's the given one. I have seen many relationships end that way... 😢
Yes it's a fair opinion to have Rudy himself was conflicted. The only issue is if he does not go does he strain his relationship with his sisters. Defiantly Norn. Not to mention as far as Rudy knows is it only his mother who is in danger. The entire rescue party might be in trouble. What about Paul, Geese, Roxy and any others. Norn said Mom and Dad are in danger. So it's clear that they are probably all worried about both their parents. Rudy also put this off for what 2-3 years already? But yes totally agree on the flip side your leaving a Wife and kid behind for 2-3 years etc. Not to mention what happens if danger comes to his front door while he is gone. I would be torn as well. But I think the moment Mangod suggested he stay and cheat on Sylphy was the nest egg telling him to go instead of following the Mangods advice.
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talking on the point where you don't think Rudy should go. Even though its very hard to miss this moment of your Childs birth he really has to go regardless if something happens and they die he is going to blame himself and I mean who wouldn't he is one of the strongest mages in the world and instead of saving his family he decides to stay with the one that's already safe its just a position that you really cant explain away. He knows this which is why this ate away at him for 1-2 weeks before deciding to go and even if he did stay there the birth wouldn't be that exciting because of the looming death of his mom and dad that he left to fend for themselves
If he didn't go this would have destroyed the entire family and I'm not just talking about the one in Begreittt. Before he decided to go in the 2 weeks everyone was scared, it seemed like he was incredibly distant and not present which would have probably worsened over his continued stay at home. Also he has a ton of friends that can watch over her including Ariel. There is also Aisha who's smart AF and knows how to deliver a child because she was taught by Lillia
Not even about being there to see the birth. That would be very shallow. Lots of my fellow Soldiers missed births and birthday celebrations. There are a whole lot of reasons we discussed, and I discuss in other comments/responses, for him to stay.
Tengan cuidado con los spoilers.
Just saying that from now on please avoid seeing intro, it has huge spoilers, so please avoid that but everything else is great 😊
Will try to remember. No promises though... There's a lot of time between now and the next episode 😆
@@TheGenreVersedon’t worry I’ll remind you the day before it releases 😉
One problem it it would take ages to get word to anyone whos not in town.
So... a lot of people see the effects that the Turning Points have on the story, but it is impossible to understand what the phrase refers to. So, I'll kill two very common mistakes for anyone who is curious.. This isn't a spoiler, but it could help you guess, so I'm treating it as spoiler.
1. The turning points signal a major change in the story to the reader, but they aren't about the story. They refer to something in-universe.
2. The turning points are NOT about Rudeus' life. Yes, his is always affected in major ways and yes, he is our protagonist, but they aren't major turning points in his life.
That said, there are some 3 or 4 events in the last episode that could be considered THE Turning Point. I had always wondered what it was until a frind of mine point out the most likely event, and I had never considered it.
When it comes to THE Turning Point in this....
It isn't in this episode, but the next. Rudeus' decision to go had been built up to be guaranteed, and his journey would take 2-3 years at this rate.
Spoiler:
Tp always matters to hitogami and orstead, this is the first time we confirm that hitogami does not care about rudeus
@@Tounushi It is in this episode.
@@VictorLiso IF you think Rudeus making a conscious decision going against the Man-God is it. Or if you think him receiving the letter is it.
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I say it's what Nanahoshi does next episode.
If you've read the novels, you know what happens in vol 15-16. The events I refer to would happen around the time Rudeus would get back, IF he ever got back without Nanahoshi's help. Not to mention a close call in vol 12.
@@Tounushi It's not, it's something that happens in that chapter (and in the episode). It makes no sense to use the title Turning Point, but it actually be something that happens later.....
I'ts his defiance of Hitogami. That's essential to the next step in the plan. What Nanahoshi does has already been accounted.
His family is safe in a village with the strongest mages and fighters in the world protecting her badigadi is there and would protect his wife and yall acting like sylphie is weak she’s one of the strongest people in the shows it literally makes no sense for him to stay there only to see his baby be born. if you way the options save my family from death or see his baby being born man god said nothing about his baby or his wife’s dying all he said is you missing the baby’s birth it makes no sense for him to stay. That’s like getting a call from your mother and your wife’s giving birth I need help someone’s trying to kill me and your a trained cop off duty and your one of the best cops on the planet. to ignore her and say someone else will come and help you is actually crazy. And we also know Rudy has been stated to be basically a god so why would he not send himself to help rescue his mom that’s been his goal since day one sylphie knew this that’s why she said she’s ok with him going sylphie wouldn’t let her parents die even if she was pregnant she would go and fight to save her parents if she had the option to bring them back to life. And your saying you should listen to man god he just told him to sleep with another women and have another kid why do you think that is and should Rudy listen to him since he’s been trying to help him.
Badigadi is no longer in the university, he disappeared after Ruijerd brought Norn and Aisha. Sylphie is not that strong, she is capable, yes, but not that powerful, as a mage she is in between advanced and saint (if you read the novel, you should know that) right now they are in a sword supremacy era, mages are at a great disadvantage, that changes after the end of the entire series. The problem is that he has no information on either side. The letter does not contain almost any information, Geese was not with Paul when he sent Norn and Aisha, he joined later, the letter was sent from Geese instead of Paul, Geese is extremely weak in combat, and even Elinalise said it could of have been sent in a moment of panic, things could of have been better by the time the letter arrived. In the other hand, the man God adviced him not to go to Begaritt, every time he gives an advice to Rudeus, it's for Rudeus Benefit, and even if his advices are ambiguous, it doesn't matter what Rudeus does, as long as he follows his advice, he always benefits from it. Those are facts and the results from his previous experience with the man God. He can't ignore that, I agree that he should help his family, but it is not a decision as simple as you make it look
@@Jose-yn5lr Ik I was just saying that bc they don’t know that so that’s a spoiler and sylphie is one of the strongest at the school no normal person is going to put her in danger she also has the protections of the whole school the man god said you will regret both one would you will miss birth of your child or your family can die which one is worse o would chose to save my family if I had the chance to over seeing my babies birth knowing she is going to bc safe bc the man god basically said she will. Also if Rudys family and friends died and he hears that only if he would’ve went to save them he could’ve change the out come he wouldn’t be able to live with himself he would commit suicide spoiler
you know the only reason he didn’t in the light novel was bc of roxy Rudy does not do well when he lets people down sylphie said she was ok with him going
@@Jose-yn5lr I’m not comparing sylphie to the heavy hitter like of the show she’s still capable of beating 95 percent of the show if I’m being generous there’s probably like 13 people ahead of her I’d say Roxy and eris are stronger then her but she’s behind them
Man-god said there will be regrets either way. I would rather regret losing my mom than losing my wife or kid. Too many unknowns going on. Maybe I would leave after the birth, but not before. Not without knowing that my kid doesn't have some sort of effect from my being from another world, that no Greyrat drama is coming for the kid or Sylphie, that Nanahoshi doesn't end up doing something that causes issues... My whole thought process is informed by my life of course... I am a Dad first, husband second, and son third...
@@TheGenreVerse agree! Besides the god told him that he will regret if he goes. For the first time Rudeous ignores the God. Will the god take it as an opportunity to show Rudy that he must not challenge him ? And punish him?
I would just say the ending point of this episode doesn't make Rudy's choice a good justice.
It shows him good commitment, but really doesn't justify his choice.
There was no choice. He can't abandon his parents again.
@@Tounushi Let's put it this way.
"Fate decided that Rudeus had no choice and will have to go there."
All turning point are connected its just we dont know yet we dont get that point yet to know
This one is like a domino, a small piece that hits another, that hits another and when we see, it makes an earthquake.
@@user-db2uj9vc7s Well, people won't truly understand what "turning point" means until much later in the story, and if they pay some attention.
Did anyone notice the commanding tone in man god's voice? Was it just me? He always talked in a clownish tone. This man is sketchy af🤔
Always sketchy.
I am highly disappointed your a day late but that pork sholder looks badass
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I think rudeus did the right thing 👍 the school arc is mad boring anyway. Finally something interesting happening 🎉
😆 i like the school stuff
Kinda hard to explain to your wife that a god told you to cheat on her with one the beast girls. You can never trust a god in a Isekai
Hitogami is sus
Very... Still, his hit ratio for Rudy is pretty high and should be considered.
Too bad we have to wait 2 weeks until next episode
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What are hello babies
When the Soldiers come home after not being with their spouses for 9-12 months... Lots of.... Urges to make up for...
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You know ive just thought about it, the op literally shows that rudeus decides to go. I kind of only just realized that. When i watch
openings im only half paying attention to them but after looking at it again it just tells you what choice he was going to make in this episode.
Someone mentioned we should skip the OP from now on lol...
@@TheGenreVerse that might be a good idea.
Sucks we aren't getting episode 19 this week. We have to wait till next week. Broadcasting schedule has this week as a special Broadcast with cast members.
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