FFXIV: Shadowbringers Lorebombs - The Calamities
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- The ShB 5.0 MSQ forced us to reevaluate some of the fundamental "truths" of FFXIV lore, so we're getting back on track!
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Hey did I see you at Destinys's fan meet up in Sweeden?
@Ethys Asher Hey are your 5.0 MSQ vids missing from youtube and twitch? I couldn't find them on either platform.
If Urianger had made this video, he would have taken six hours to impart the exact same volume of information.
woulda filled it with pictures and a story from his college too
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Unless I missed something, I don't think that Zodiark has an appetite to feed. The only uses The Ancients had for him were to initially stop the Calamity that was destroying the world from happening, then to have him bring back the lives that were originally lost in the sacrifice to him. The second one never took place, due to Hydaelyn being summoned, therefore stopping the sacrifice of nature from taking place.
The reason I bring these up is to prove that I think Zodiark merely needed those original sacrifices so he could obtain the aether needed to preform the miracles asked of him. If everything had gone according to plan, I believe he may have just continued to reside among man, similarly as to how Hydaelyn does now.
#Zdaddydidnothingwrong.
based on the knowledge that the original race(s) had nigh unlimited reserves of aether it could very well be that zodiark and hydaelyn are the only primals that don't require consistent feeding to maintain their existence but might require outside power sources for performing large acts of power, like remaking half of an entire race of beings that sacrificed themselves to save the world.
Doesn't Emet-selch say at some point during the endgame that Zodiark *will* require continuous sacrifices, and he plans to keep feeding shardborn to it to satisfy this need? Might have misinterpreted but he made it sound like he was aware of that possibility and planned for it
I was under the impression that the dichotomy between Zodiark and Heydalin was as such: Zodiark was the primal force summoned to bring the world to its initial state where as hydalin was the primal force summoned to protect the life created by the calamity they experienced. in this respect i think you're right in regards to how the aftermath would go if all did go according to plan. I didnt consider the idea that the saccrifice they made to him however was not to sate his hunger although it definitely holds water.
@@meangirlovania No. The Ascians planned to sacrifice all life on a fully rejoined Source so that Zodiark could release the aether of those who were sacrificed to create him, and then to resurrect these people. After that, he would need no more aether.
Once Emet had figured out who the Crystal Exarch was and how he got there, he didn't kill him but instead planned to take him and use him to help him travel back in time to before the Thirteenth shard fell to a flood of Darkness. He'd then figure out a way to stop the flood and instead rejoin it through their tried and true methods. At least that's what I think was Emet's plan for the Thirteenth.
@M. Woller What. I don't understand
One of the archons says, before the fight, that while Emet Selch can travel between shards, he probably cannot drag someone else with him. It is also shown that the Exarch is incapable of crossing the rift himself (after the fight, when he thinks about following the WoL to the Source.
So I guess the point they're trying to make is that Emet Selch's last stand is an attempt at defending his captive, the Exarch.
On the other hand, if he wanted to, he could have simply killed the Exarch and walked away, leaving the WoL to turn into a sin eater and ensuring the rejoining of the First.
So he might have wanted to die. Or he might have wanted to save the WoL, it is made clear that in the WoL he recognizes the soul of a close friend. @M. Woller
@M. Woller I mean personally to me, he seemed to want to die, everything he did during the expansion seemed like someone desperately hoping for another way before perhaps realizing that there was no way to fix everything but he couldn't just allow himself to die, as we heard he took his duty seriously to his own detriment, so he forced a situation to get the WoL to kill him and free him of his burden.
@M. Woller It's prideful arrogance - a trait shared by the Ascians. Just look at how he disregarded the Scions for merely being "inferior" fragments of "perfect" beings.
By the time they finally fight, Emet Selch is in full on righteous indignation at the Scions (and WoL's) audacity to question and challenge him when he believes his cause is just. He decided to settle matters in combat and prove his belief that the unbroken are superior - and perhaps having gone kinda mad in his millennia of grief and loneliness.
The people who picked Zenos over Gaius are clearly the players who skip the cutscenes.
If there's something that never ceases to amaze me, it's the utter *THIRST* a good chunk of the community has for certain characters. Between Gaius and Zenos, I would say the latter has the greater number of parched followers.
Ok but seriously, though, this has got to be one of the horniest communities I've had the pleasure of being in... lol.
@@JJMomoida ya'll thirsting for puny humans while I want to break me open on Bahamut like a Kit Kat bar
But why would they skip the cutscene where their man gets back to business?
Regarding purely physical appearance, Gaius is handsome in a somewhat rough way, while Zenos is very beautiful, even though his "I'm dead inside" gaze is creepy. If I had to meet one of them, I'd definitely choose Gaius. If we dodge the topics of strength and the right to rule, we may even have a normal, pleasant conversation over a cup of tea. As for the other... There are high-functioning psychopaths who put in the effort to be decent people and somewhat manage it, there are the sly destroyers of lives who know how to get away with their shit, the low-functioning scumbag prison dwellers and death row convicts, and then... there is Zenos. A few galaxies away from him would be too close.
@@iveriendawnlight9081 nailed it
Hopefully Hydaelyn will talk to us again in the patch MSQ. She has been very quiet ever since Heavensward.
I'd like to hear from both of them. Hopefully with their respective oracles now present, we'll finally manage to have a meaningful discussion.
I’m not sure if this comment aged well or not 😂
I wonder how much actually remains of Amaurot on the source. 🤔
And whether it is off the coast of Vilebrand, like it is off the coast of Kholusia... We have the gift of water breathing, all we need to do is go for a long ass swim.
It's likely why can't go swimming in arr still. It's likely undersea to the West of Limsa
It's an extremely low to 0 chance that there is any remains of Amaurot on the Source due to the many calamities eroding away at the surface.
If I remember correctly you can talk to one of the scions before the final quest and they say that the odds are every remnants of Amaurot on the source has been destroyed by the calamties
Would it be screwed up if we find direct amarout relics in sharyayan areas in the future?
Would definitely watch videos of just you summarizing story aspects like you did on State of the Realm. Prankster Urianger is the best.
Just discovered your channel on my recommended videos. Subscribed! Love your voice and how detailed you are with the lore. Can't wait for the next video.
So. I dunno if you ever payed attention or noticed this but... The Amaurot run... There's falling meteors... Similar to when you receive your blessing at the very very beginning (even back into 1.0). There's clearly some lore connection in there. Like... when you get the Blessing, you essentially see in a brief glimpse the end of the Ascian's world.
Oh??
Well if the theories are believed, it makes sense for your character to go from that to meeting Hydaelyn.
My idea is we are the 14th Ascian of the council that disappeared in the final days from certain hints from Emet's friend talking to you and Emet's affinity and angry disappointment in us; then his sense of relief just before he fades to aether.
Dang
Were do they say zodiark needed constant sacrifices ? half of the surviving population gave themselfs with the promise of restoring their world. Zodiarc did so but the final wish of restoring all was never granted, cus the grupp of rebels summoned Hydalen. Could he have returned all ? We dont know but he did restore the planet and history tends to be recorded by the victors.
half were sacrificed to bring him into being and to halt the unraveling of the planet. half of what was left sacrificed themselves to restore life to wasteland that was left after the planet was saved. Hydalen was summoned to prevent them from their plan of letting life grow to a point where it could be used to restore the lives of the ones that sacrificed themselves to save and restore the planet. At least according to Emet.
I am so freaking excited for your next video! I cannot wait to hear your thoughts. Great work on the first Animo video.
*THUMBS UP FOR TEAM EMET* !
Perhaps if you had been capable of containing the five lightwardens to Emet-Selch's satisfaction, then he could have had you go to the 13th to inject that primordial light and rebirth it, thereby making it compatible for a rejoining once again. He was very keen on having a super-lightwarden handy, one way or another.
It's such a no-lose gambit that would make it worthwhile for Emet to humour getting in contact with you. "If they're going to ruin my plans for the First, what's Plan B?"
My take on Emet-Selch was that if we did manage to contain the aether of the Lightwardens, he'd have reconsidered the part of his plan where he sacrifices the souls of the Source to Zodiark to bring back his people. He'd still have wanted to complete the Rejoining of course, but the souls of the Source would have been judged worthy.
i don't agree with that. His own goal was to bring back his people lost saving the world. I have a hard time believing he, and the other ascians, would set that all aside just because you were able to contain a chunk of light aspected aether. No I believe all that would've happened is they would've gone from having to cause calamities to having indiviuals just carry the aether across with them, thus speeding up their time table considerably.
@@Lorkanthal Emet-Selch was tired and growing weary of the Ascian mission, and unlike the other two unsundered, he every so often had doubts about whether it was worth it or whether the people of the shards were as unworthy as they seemed. A big part of him wanted to be proven wrong. But since every time a glimmer of hope showed itself it ended in disappointment for him, he still felt Elidibus and his plan were the way forward. Emet-Selch's own goals though seemed to be to preserve the memory of Amaurot and its people (something neither Elidibus or Lahabrea were capable of) and to continue his duty as one of the stewards of the Star (this is why "worthiness" was such a huge thing for him). He entrusts you with both of these duties after you prove yourself and he helps you put an end to Elidibus' plan
TWELVE DAMN YOU ETHYS!!! I was decidedly
not gonna download Amino, then you had to go post ffxiv stuff there. I'LL FOLLOW FOREVER.
I'm glad you used amaurots dungeon theme for this.
ever wonder why Alisaie and Aphinaud look like identical twins to the point people confuse them both irl and in game? They would have to be fraternal twins, as they are different genders. What if, they were actually copies of themselves from different reflections of the source. Maybe saved from past calamities but lost their memory! :p (identical twins come from a single fertilized egg, so identical genetics, same chromosomes XX or XY)
Awesome Vid! I absolutely love these! Great work, keep it up Ethys! ;)
One aspect you didn't touch upon is the fact that so far all calamities have had a different element (the six actual elements, plus astral polarity for the seventh and umbral which was planned for the eighth). I can't remember if it's stated in game, but at least from my memory of the fanfest the eighth calamity was supposed to be the "last" calamity, the one that would trigger the return of Zodiark (presumably). It seems unlikely that all the elements being organized so neatly is just a coincidence.
At first glance one could assume that the goal of a Rejoining is just to make the parts become whole again, and under that view you would indeed need to make every shard rejoin the Source before Zodiark would be made whole again (and subsequently return). This would make the thirteenth a fatal flaw in the Ascian's plan, unless it is possible to mend it back to the point where it can be rejoined too (Eden maybe?). You can make the fact that all calamities have had a different type of aether fit, by saying for example that it needs to be so to not tip over some kind of balance in the Source.
However another idea would be that the goal of those rejoining is, somehow, to bring about the return of Zodiark by feeding the Source with aether of each "type" (and yeah, I know umbral and astral are poles but whatever). Zodiark would then be able to rejoin all the remaining shards (maybe by defeating Hydaelyn, or maybe rejoining them would make him strong enough to defeat her? I don't know) without the need for the process the Ascians have employed so far (Calamities), explaining why the eighth is the final one. It would also explain why the thirteenth isn't ultimately a fatal flaw for the Ascians: the aether of the thirteenth is still there, it's just completely concentrated in its inhabitants (the Voidsents). This renders it incapable of undergoing the current method the Ascians use (Calamities) but doesn't otherwise mean that the contents of the 13th are lost forever, and so the Source can still be made whole again.
Emet doesn't look amused from your history lesson, Ethys.
Good to see you, Lore Finder!
Well made and informative video, sir! Hopefully we get to see some info about the worlds that were destroyed, in addition to the other Shards (which we will likely learn about or visit).
The Light Aspect of the source was done by the WoL themselves. Ebrius made mention of it several times that the balance of the source was tilted towards Astral Light that was attracting it's negative counterpart like a magnet (umbral light). In theory the Black Rose was umbral aspected and in doing so would also attract the Astral Dark remnants of the first Shard along with the Umbral Light. The thinking of aether at the source were the missing attunements that the first lacked (every primary element). So to halt the spread of light a heaver counter was flooded into the shard from the source. This is why later into the story rebalancing the first Shard will be imperative hence why Eden will play a role.
My bet would be it functions like a lightning strike. The umbral charge on the Firstwould be significantly higher than the umbral charge on the Source, and that would facilitate a rapid movement of aether once a path was opened between the two. It makes me wonder if we could actually wind up being the catalyst for the 8th Calamity through our movement between the First and the Source.
Or maybe our extreme strength(and presumably aether) and that of our comrades in Ghymlit suddenly vanishing after the deployment of the Black Rose starts a chain reaction? Its not clear though since the aetherial thinning started well before we were called, maybe that was just the first influencing the source or maybe not?
@@hellzoneUK1991 Nah. Black Rose was never deployed because Eorzea forces never pushed the Imperials back into their own territory like in the original timeline. The loss of Scions early on likely slowed Eorzea's progress, enough so that the Empire didn't feel threatened enough to deploy Black Rose before the Emperor was killed.
It’s always a great day when Ethys uploads :D
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You actually answered this one with your description of how the Flood of Light operated. The umbral chain reaction traveled along the trickle flow of aether that already existed in the connection between the First and the Source.
I think the answer about how umbral light affected the first is cause and effect.
Because light consumed the shard, the Source has to go through something of a similar aspect to meet the requirements for the source to consume the shard. This either being a natural disaster of big proportions that was well timed or.... caused by something manmade aka black rose. Point is the light aspected aether does not have to move towards the source. Only have a similar destruction happen so the requirements for the cause and effect are met.
That's my take on it at least.
There is a quest in the game where we Unukalhai, Cylva, & Beq Lugg are working to restore the 13th! I really hope they continue that questline & we get to go there & restore it like we did the 1st from the Light Flood!
Good video, though i did notice a few mostly minor mistakes/oversights:
5:36 Amaurotine is the demonym for someone from the city of Amaurot, not the name of the species.
5:43 Zodiark doesn't have an appetite. He and Hydaelyn are the only Primals that don't need a constant supply of aether to sustain their existence.
7:15 I think you meant Hydaelyn/The Source here, given Eorzea is just one continent, and the calamities are usually experienced by all parts of the world.
So.... does this mean..... there’s an Ilberd copy on the other worlds? And if so, do they also say... “SLOP-PEH”
Probably not direct copy... it's strongly hinted that the catboy engineer fellow is Cid's for example and then we've met two of our shards... probably. Though we do know the guy we give the crystals of light to is Gerolt's double
I think not. This whole proces was around 12000 years ago, long before Ilberd was born.
@@KAvanAlten They mean do all of the shards have an Ilberd equivalent that were possibly one ancient sloppeh.
It's a viable question, since even if all the other races were sundered from ancients, what about their children whom were never 'truly born'?
Could they possibly be one ancient, or would they remain separated, because they lack a definite coloring of the soul as the initial ancients do?
@@HintedImage Yeah, i got that. But the way i see it is that their forefathers all split into 14. But there children, and all the generations after that, still are born as whole, developing their own individual choses. So, the question if there is an Ilbert like person in the other shards is possible, but the splintering in 14 had no influence at all on that event.
C_huvak Nunh Basically to have a close copy to someone on the Source, it would mean that 12,000 years worth of ancestors would have to make close to the exact same choices. And remember, the Source was interfered with a WHOLE lot more than the shards. Hence why we’ve only seen two people who are (three if you count the wandering minstrel) almost copies of their Source counterparts, out of everyone still alive on the First.
Thank you TH-cam for this suggestion, upset I didn't know this Tuber before hand :-) excited to watch more videos!
I'm so glad you're back :cry:
Hey man, really love those videos, could you consider doing some lore videos on dungeons and raids (maybe trials too) would love to know a bit more on everything on the lore of this game!
who is the 14th ascian of the council thing that went missing in the final days? Remember one of the ascian shades saying a spot was open to be filled. Was it our character? The one that had some lucidity to talk with us mentioned Emet might have noticed our familiarity to one he knew back then.
I feel bad for Emet; imagine living 100+ million years (listen to his speech about how many times he has had families, lived and died, etc) with all those ascian souls begging to be reborn. Seeing lifetimes pass by, once with an immortal community then to love and lose over and over. Seeing the failures of society over and over again. If you think about it, it is only quite recently they started making the calamities happen (12k years ago was said in video). A tortured soul and pretty much powerful enough he could have killed us at any point. He made an entire city and people to live in it, thinking rather independently; even one with some sentience of being in our time period.
I also don't get mr. elidibus saying 'I'll send warriors of light after you' ... umm, we are warriors of light and darkness; balanced; though most of our power does come from the light ... I have to remember DRK exists as I mainly WHM but the arc still is the light protects us and gives us strength, so gary elidi-busey hasn't paid attention much at all. Seems silly, as silly as this whole xenos return. Also, as an emmisary, he doesn't know a lot about his god. Zodiark doesn't want total rule if you read the lore. They aren't following what he wants if I've read through it properly.
A better story for me would've been the ability to recruit Emet to our side at the end, also just to piss off our 'friends' who doubt us, sass us, and order us around way too much considering we are basically their god. Nothing would have gotten done since ARR without us. Quit telling me to go to bed, you morons.
Idk, tired and annoyed; as I've been trying to get my chocobo to abyssal blue for a week, almost every 6 hours, and it bounces between 2-3 colors following the calculator and the flow chart, mostly royal blue and regal purple. RNG hellhole.
I firmly believe that our character, along with Ardbert are both fragments of that 14th Ascian member. It would explain why that one Ascian local was aware of his own existence and could also see Ardbert. Remember when Emet saw an Ascian local when we fused with Ardbert? That might suggest that we are the fragment of Emet's closest friend.
Which DRG spear is that @11:00?
I'm sure with the finale of the Role Quests and the hints made by Eden's Gate we may get a "Survivors of the Void" video this expansion. Also Shadowbringers Lore Tours anytime soon?
Love these videos so much!!
I and a few others in my guild joked that the 13th Shard was Gran Pulse and Cocoon, the Ascians appearing as the Fal'Cie and the heroes of that world left in a new world Lightning created, leaving 13's world consumed in darkness. Chaos being the Voidsent.
that might actually be cannon. considering each shard sorta lines up with an FF to a degree. 13th being bad.
@@azadalamiq 13 had amazing lore though. The 11th Shard is Final Fantasy XI, Vana'diel. Or at least I joke that it should be, and the 11th shard is one of the few shards remaining.
@@astrealbrizbee9815 Keeping my fingers crossed for the 11th to be at least strongly inspired by Vana'diel.
I love your videos ! Please keep it up.
10:59 what armor set is that?
I still wondering what number world was lost in the 7th calamity. I'm still at the point that bahamut isn't a full calamity. The calamities affect the source on a global scale. Bahamut only affected eorzea, mainly aldernard. From my checking, othard wasn't affected by his release at all. Please, if this could be looked at in more context, I would like to see some people input on this
Mickeal Wilson I’ve always thought that the reason the Seventh Calamity was relatively small scale (at least compared to the rest) was due to Louisoix’s interference.
The 7th calamity would have been planet-wide, had it not been for Louisoix's magic which not only killed Bahamut, but managed to save many lives that would have otherwise been lost. If he had lost his battle to Bahamut, though, it would have destroyed the planet utterly. That's why they still call it a calamity, even though the percentage affected was kept to just our corner of the world.
What world number? 7, no?
@@Oliver_Nexus I caught it with a rewatch. Ironic that the 7th shard was used for the 7th calamity
@@calzonexiv if that would be, would the whole world be currently in the 7 astral age at the end of arr or just aldernard? The eras are based on the calamities affecting the world but if one region experienced a calamity that others didn't, they would begging filling history in a different era than the rest of the world
I'm wondering if the Void is really "completely void" of aether in reality. Like, if we go in CT3/World of Darkness, there sure is not a lot of aether, but : we can see some Dark crystals here and there, some bosses are able to use elemental-aspected attacks, and we have some ground to navigate in the actual raid, so this ground must contain a little bit of aether I suppose, or wouldn't it fall apart ?
The most likely thing that could come from Eden, would be transfering the Light aether into the Thirteenth from the First to even out things back there I guess, but how really ?
I pondered that question for a time and I'm not convinced you can say Astral=Darkness and Umbral=Light. Astral and Umbral are better translated by passive and active. In the lore book they says they give the example of Astral Fire being flames and Umbral Fire being dryness.
theSkyRunner54 And finally someone says something about the whole Astral/Umbral thing that makes sense to me
Darkness (astral) is active, light (umbral) is passive. It still makes sense. The light causing passivity is why everything is deadly still in The First.
im wondering if the 13th can be restored, somehow
I find it very hard to believe that the 8th calamity would have occurred even without your character's intervention in the first because Zenos kills his father and destroys black rose for daring to interfere with his desire to have a rematch with your character and find it very hard to believe that Zenos wouldn't have been able to do so if your character hadn't intervened in the first
Since Eden is essentially a terraforming ...entity, would the plan be to imbue it with aether and bring it to the 13th and not simply releasing the aether but recreating the world itself, perhaps with Eden as the core of the world itself? Would that not be sufficient restoration that could allow it to be rejoined?
Thats the popular theory as of now
I think the Crystal Tower will be the key in the rejoining of the 13th shard. I'm fairly certain Emet realized that the tower traveled not only between shards, but through time as well. If that could be properly harnessed, they could use the Crystal Tower to travel to before the fall of the 13th shard to The Void and properly rejoin it.
I'm pretty certain we fucked that route up because didn't we destroy the copy cat Alexander that was inside the tower?
I was thinking more in the lines of him wanting to see if he could travel back before the Ascian calamity and try to stop it with the wisdom of hindsight and a terrible amount of time to think.
@@zakuraayame5091 I thought that too at first, but I think the Crystal Tower is only able to travel between Shards; that is, it would be unable to travel to before the calamity that split the Source into The Source + 13.
@@theguyacrossthetable Even if we destroyed the ability of the CT in the 1st to travel through time, there is till the CT in the source.
the CT on the first IS the tower from the source, just like 100 years in the future where we were unable to gain access to the first to prevent the next calamity from happening.
I saw the thumbnail and for some reason i read it as "Calamatitties"
I would like to know how, if the 13th was lost 10-11k years ago, did Unakalhai and Cycla arrive in the Source and the First in the current time. The 13th's time must move incredibly slow compared to ours if it only just fell on the 13th but for use was 10k years ago. Or the Ascians can move through time or can put people in stasis or something.
There's one thing I don't understand. We're told that the Source and the Shards are a part of Hydalyn, but that doesn't make sense. Zodiark was the one who was split apart. Does that mean people in universe are wrong and assume its Hydalyn, or are we being purposefully lied to.
That's actually a very good question, since Zodiark is called multiple times "the star's will made manifest," and that Hydalen's most definitive ability is her power to split things aetherically. So if Zodiark splitting is what caused the star to split, maybe the star is still Zodiark, but we're "viewing" it through Hydalen, like how a prism splits light?
She is a crystal, after all.
Hydealyn was also summoned to be a "will of the star" like Zodiark was, and Hydealyn beating Zodiark caused everything about the planet to split along with Zodiark. I think Hydealyn is mostly in the source while Zodiark is "trapped" by being spread across all shards.
@@haydarinna631 But Emet-Selch said that she was made to be his shackles, and I think Hythlodeus said something of a similar sort too.
They're both primals, but I'm pretty sure they had rather different goals in mind when summoned, with Zodiark as the broke -ice cream- miracle machine, and Hydalen as a wall to stop everyone from trying to fix it with more blood-based lubrication.
@@markointhesky that's what I got too. If they're both primas does that mean we've been tempered, like the ascians, to Hydalen and the consequences of her ecistance? Will primals even the primordial kind need to be destroyed? I'm excited and a bit worried we've been on the wrong side and there is a 3rd undiscovered choice.
@@dariusd2003 hydaelyn tells us to hear, feel and think. I think whoever made her brought her into being to do the opposite of Zodiark, who asks for more and more sacrifices. The ascians to me come off foolish, because they don't see that the people they sacrificed won't ever come back because they've been consumed body and soul for aether. Hydaelyn doesn't ask for that, or demand we do anything but to be a light to the world and protect life. The WoL being tempered only goes as far as protecting us from the influence of other primals and nothing more. However, I wouldn't be surprised if we did end up needing to take her down, too, if only so life can go on without primals.
6:57 Does someone know from what quest this cs is from?
The Lightwardens (Shadowbringers MSQ)
So does anyone think that the reason many of the creatures we face on the First are so similar looking to voidsent(just that they are white due to being aspected to light), is because they actually are voidsent that have just been heavily modified by seeking out aether on the First which is connected to light and thus the aether they have been eating was so much light they turned into light versions of their previous void forms? To me that makes sense if that is the case.
Possibly. I remember there being a quest in Ill Mheg where you fight against these sin eaters but are labeled as "mutants."
They looked like the generic winged sineaters but were black with glowing veins. I'm not sure if they're mutated due to being starved of aether or something else.
@@Zayindjejfj weren't they left overs from events you explore during the tank role quest line?
@@Lorkanthal I think so yes.
Some of the big questions in my mind right now are about Zodiark and what was so horrible about Him that the response was to create Hydaelyn and Sunder the Source?
The followers of Hydaelyn believed that sacrificing so much life/aether to Zodiark was morally wrong. The plan to grow life on the restored planet and then, once life has been fully restored, sacrifice half of that to Zodiark to get some Amaurotines back, was opposed by their faction
@@Galaick That's pretty close to what I figured. Zodiark demanding continual sacrifice of life and aether. With the mortal races mere fodder for Him.
@@JDSleeper the actual lore does not say he wants continual sacrifice or ultimate power. poke around a bit more. She was created to contain him from those who were scared he might become greedy and demanding; by doing the exact same sacrificial ritual. They sacrificed another half of their population to summon her. He was summoned by a half of their population by choice, she was by 1/2 as much as Zodiark by choice as well. 3/4 of their populace sacrificed themselves to summon both; all by their own will.
If she was meant to keep him in check; using so much force she sundered the world into 14 pieces seems a bit extreme, does it not? If she was 'good', she wouldn't have gone to that extreme. She destroyed everything for her goal without thought about the consequences; and her method is not something someone with a positive, peaceful mindset would do.
It would be like Goku throwing the moon at Cell to stop him from killing people; by killing everyone. Everyone but the 3 Ascians were killed and their aether split into 14 along with Zodiark. That is pretty wicked imo.
She sacrificed more life in that instant and caused suffering over a very long period of time from her action(s). Try to justify it; but if you think the Ascians are crazy for the death that comes from the rejoining, then you have to see old Hyldie the same way for creating this mess in the first place. Zodiark prevented or lessened a calamity; Hydaelyn created the worst one the existence in the game has ever seen; and now you might understand why the surviving 3 Ascians hate her so much and blindly, like the people of the first, want to be done with all her light.
Top tier ethys quality.
The thing to keep in mind there is that the flow of aether is a metaphysical thing, not a literal flow like a river. Earth-aspected aether doesn't necessarily move around a lot in physical space, but it can still create a "flow" of aether toward the Source, for instance.
The Source and the 13 Shards aren't actually in different places the way that the visual describes them; that's just for our convenience for the explanations. Cosmologically, they are all superimposed on each other - all in the same "place," just divided from one another. Think, like... the best visual I can describe is imagining a bunch of ghosts all sitting in the same chair, unable to see or interact with eachother even though they're all basically overlapping.
As such, the very mechanism you mentioned for the Flood of Light - that the flood itself wasn't a movement of aether, but the event horizon for the coagulation of aether - can expand metaphysically from the First into the Source if that dimensional barrier is broken, as the superposition of the First and the Source merge together.
Naturally, the Ascians wouldn't want to remove the barrier entirely, so as to prevent a Flood of Light on the Source destroying everything - because that would make it impossible to cause future calamities to rejoin the other shards - but by carefully managing the "break in the dam" post-Calamity they can preserve the Source enough to let it absorb all of the First's aether. If anything, the lawless, horrendous world described after the Eighth Umbral Calamity would seem to make it that much easier to plan future Calamities for the subsequent rejoinings.
I'm not 100% sure that your comment about the shards and the source being metaphysically in the same place is correct. If you do the magic dps role quests you find out that it is extremely hard / almost impossible for mages of the 1st to summon forth demons of the void (13th shard) due to the 1st being further away from the void.
Your thought that they all inhabit the same space makes sense but I'm not sure that's what's actually happening here.
Hmm. Fair enough - I haven't done the mage quests yet so I may very well be mistaken :)
I can’t wait until the next video
Continual sacrifice to Xodiark is purely speculation at this point. As Hydalyn herself is self sustained and also a similar construct to Xodiark except heavily aspected in light instead of darkness.
Think of them like Elementals. Beings made of pure Aether that exist within the life stream itself. They have no need of continual sacrifice or crystals because they are submerged in a mailstorm of Aether. Primals are flawed works of creation similar to the creatures born from an Ascians dread.
agreed; if you read the lore on Zodiark; he doesn't want all the sacrifice or complete rule. This is a twist of reality the 3 remaining Ascians have developed over nearly 100 million years of existence or more (time based on an Emet speech about how many times he has married, had faimlies, died). We don't know how Zodiark truly feels; we just know what those 3 felt they needed to do to bring back their past friends/life and in a way, just like the people on the first despised the warriors of light even though they initially were saving their world and we couldn't tell them we were a warrior of light and the power that allowed us to stop the sin eaters was light, because just 100 years of torment and eternal daylight twisted their perceptions, even if understandably so.
Hydie for the 3 Ascians is similar. She attacked Zodiark with such force, SHE shattered the source into 14 pieces. So they see everything about her as wrong and a mistake of the Ascians that called her into existence. Their viewpoints are tainted; but that expression of relief at Emet's end I think is him realizing it wasn't so and his near eternal torment from all those souls haunting him was over. Wish we could have saved him.
What Zodiark wants is balance, from what I've read; so if elidibus managed to summon him, he wouldn't be too happy with the path, and tell him he is going to patch it up with ol Hydie to make things right again. It seems she might see after all this time that what she did wasn't the best thing :p
Emet faces are just great.
If an overaspected shard can be used to influence the Source, I wonder if the reverse is possible -- can you overaspect the Source and use that aether to influence the shards? It's probably a one way flow, or simply that overaspecting the Source divides the aether flowing out of it into the remaining shards meaning you would need to have an extremely severe overaspecting to get an effect in an individual shard. I wonder though, if it is possible to direct aether of an aspect from the Source, or maybe even from a shard to another shard -- like say shooting a ton of umbral (light) aether into the 13th thereby forcibly filling its void?
This still confuses me lol. For example, The 6th calamity. Was the war of the Magi in ''our'' world or on the shard that collapsed?
@@acadianalien Our world, although perhaps something similar happened on the Tenth. The overriding theory up until now was that since the Nymians used magic based in water, the Amdapori used earth and wind, and the Machi used fire ice and lightning, once the Nymians were taken out of the war the water aether built up continuously until amdapor and Mach reached their endgames, upon which it broke out and overrode the other elements which had been used up on a larger scale.
Wasn't the purpose of making the first shard succumb to the light to join it with 13th shard so they balance out bringing upon a calamity and rejoining both of them to the source? I could be wrong, but I think this is what the quest after you do all 4 of the role story quests in Crystarium tells us.
Has the idea been brought up if each of the 13 shards could be referring to each FF game/world? Example, It can’t possibly just be a coincidence that the elemental calamity of the 12th is lightning, the 10th is water, and the 7th is astral element? How cool is that if that’s the link between all the FF games?!
do we know what the Seventh rejoining was aspected to? someone on reddit was saying it was "darkness" because of a 2.0 teaser back in the day but I couldn't find anything on it :\
Astral-aligned Aether. No real element in particular.
maybe i missed it but do we know for sure that the void is actually void of aether? i personally view it in terms of entropy and the void is in a state of such high entropy (in which the aether is moving at high speeds and quite active) that the aether that is there is no longer tangible/ can not coalesce into a properly perceivable reality.
I think one of the subtilities that deserve mention from what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that a shard-destroying burst of Aether flows from the ruined shard to the source not because of an inherent, immutable connection, but because as it "goes downstream" the aether naturally goes from the shard to the world it's the closest to. It just so happens that, disregarding their assigned number, every single shard's the closest to the Source.
I don't think this will have any actual implications, and it may be just an interpretation, but if this is correct it could theorically be possible to link two shards together somehow, to have the excess aether overflow towards another world rather than to the source.
I thought the aether in the first doesn't move, it is never stated, that it simply CAN'T be moved, right?
So isn't the aether "sucked" into the source because of the sheer amount of it? (Like when you suck on a pipe connecting an empty tank to a full one, once it starts to flow, it just keeps going)
Thing with void is what I find most puzzling maybe we will get an expiration eventually but can relly make something whole if one of the pices us useless unless they don't think they need all the shard to restore what they want
I like how your Elezen looks so sick and tired of Minfilia.
New Ethys video? *fist pumps* hell yeah!!
With as many tracks as Masayoshi Soken has produced for FFXIV by this point, I forgot the name of the song you used at the end of the video. Can you please tell me the name? I'd be most grateful.
The calamity occurs before the rejoining process, right? What exactly happens on the Source when the rejoining happens? Do people feel any different?
At one point, Emet says that when the Source was originally split in to 14 echoes of the 1 world, everyone living there was split into 14 as well (except for a few of them) and when the Rejoining is complete, they will all be made whole again
I know this is an old video, but the last video said the flood of light was Astral, but this one is saying Umbral. So, now I'm confused O.e
With the souls pre sundering were split 14 times, what about like new borns? Would they be a new soul? I’m kinda confused how souls work
They're new souls in a sense, but old souls are also spun out by the Lifestream from time to time, with each rejoining these Old Souls become more complete giving birth to mortal like our own Warriors of Light... or those able to be awakened as the lesser Ascians probably depending on their complete selves allegiance at the time of the Sundering. Those Amaroutians who summoned Hydaelyn probably went on to be the base components for the Wols, those that orchestrated Zodiarc's summoning becoming the Ascians like Nabriales.
Play Positive oh okay thank you
When you think about it, this is so brutal.
omg I'm so glad you wonder about why the umbral charge did effectively flow. I've been talking about that (as it bugged me out) to my friends and all of them were like "but it's like the other shards" to which i kept saying "but it can't! the whole point of umbral is that it doesn't flow, it doesn't move, it doesn't do anything)..
I had some thought about that and my conclusion was, that as long as there is a bit of astral polarity, the aether can still flow.
So basically, the rejoining of the shard has to occur before the flood takes over the first. Similarly (but opposite to) the 13th, if the first were to be entirely flooded, there would be no possible rejoining specifically because all the aether would still be there but unable to flow. The whole first shard would have been filled with unusable aether, unlike the 13th which lost all its eather because it flowed away (like, flows "too well").
But then I wonder, (i hope SE actually properly thought about that), if on the first the Aether is still here but not flowing, then it means we can effectively do something about it, technically. I was pleased to see that it was rthe whole point of the Eden raid serie. But then I thought, if the 1th can be saved, then technically the 13th should also be savable, because SE really love their thing about balance. But how would we save the 13th? Because unlike the first, there is no Aether, it flowed away, this is the signature trait of the umbral charge, it flows freaking well. How does one refill (and keep in) a shard?
Hopefully this will be answered.
Not a question but, I wish we would learn about the rejoined shards at some point, perhaps from Elidibus or something. I really like how grim ShB got, tbh now that i know how rejoined work, they seem so much more horrible.
Side question, can we have a flood of [insert element]?
Should source people be bigger and taller than people on the first? I mean we are like halfway between them and ascians arnt we? Also are we like 6 times stronger as well?
Given who we are I'd assume we're actually way ahead of the others on the Source as we joined with Aldbert on the First.. We're likely at the very least one fragment ahead of the rest
as long as you aren't a lalafel! I mean, my bunny girl towers above alisaie and alphinaud ...
Owen Polley I’m uncertain that that is the case. It doesn’t seem to be explicit that that is how the rejoinings work. Then again, there is an implication. Could be right, could not be.
Since we now know that amaurotines were responsible for creating sineaters do you feel it warrants looking back at amdapori? I think they're our most likely connection to amaurot on the source since the flood of light happened roughly when the warriors of darkness came to the first
AxelRize um.. Amaurotines were gone 12,000 years before the sin eaters existed
@@Awesomeduud one talks about creating the lion that thancred fights
@@AxelRize And? He wasn't the one who was in the First specifically creating that lion. He was long dead before then. Leonardo da Vinci thought up the first tank but it doesn't mean he is responsible for the M1 Abrams.
@@Awesomeduud the point of theory crafting is finding the common threads. So theres nothing saying the lion on the source isnt connected to amaurot since the lion is the same as the sineater
When does the video start???????
I apologize if this was mentioned in the video, I have a hard time following along with these lore bombs at times. So if the Source/Hydaelyn is technically where the other 13 shards came from, how is it that Amaurot and a myriad of Ascian lore comes from The First? Or is this something that'll be covered in this next video? (:
it all existed on the source pre-sundering but due to all of the calamities on the source very little if anything remains of the ascian's society. But on the first, and likely other shards, ruins would still likely exist due to it being an overall more peaceful place. At least in terms of world shattering events.
I've heard that the capstone Role Quest, the one you can unlock by completing all four chains of Role Quests, has some information on how the Ascians were planning to deal with the Void that was the Thirteenth. I've refrained from spoiling myself, so I can't say how much there is or what it is, but it might be worth looking into if you plan to follow up on the idea.
Great, time to level a tank and magical dps...
it didn't add much, just learned of another denizen of the 13th.
the captsone role quest dealing with the void actually is a Lie made by the Ascians to almost create the flood of light on the first, but that plan almost backfired. The Void until evidence is given by the devs is dead for good. A actual Void Void devoid of aether.
@Whipper of Merchants ya he says they cant save it. Which is why he wanted Graha to use the CT to stop the 13th becoming the void.
Solid theorycrafting . Nice work.
The only point I would make is that Emmet-Selch made mention of his companions in the Convocation of Thirteen and implied that they all survived the sundering. He specifically mentioned Loegrief (sp?) and that they worked on their schemes on The First together. The implication is that at somepoint the other Ascians other than himself, Elidibus and Lahabrea met their end prior to the involvement of the Scions and the Warrior of Light.
So my assumption is that the Convocation survived the Sundering as a whole, but over the 12000+ years, many of them fell or were otherwise defeated until only the three we know remained.
Emet-Selch, Lahabrea, and Elidibus are the only ones to escape Sundering (I suspect it involved giving up their original physical bodies). The other ten DID get Sundered, but the three Bigger Bads are able to find their shards and "boost" them up to red-masked Big Bad levels. Like, we killed Nabriales, but it was just 1/14th of Nabriales, and Elidibus can just buff up another shard of him to create a replacement. My unconfirmed suspicion is that all the lesser unnamed black-masked Ascians are these gathered, unbuffed fragments of the rest of the Convocation, waiting their turns to become overlords.
He literally says that only 3 of them escaped the sundering, everyone else was affected by it
In case you aren't aware, the final role quest wrap up covers SOME information on the Ascians plan on how to make the 13th shard viable for a rejoining once again.
Which one? Cause I did the tank quests but I don't remember much of the final cutscenes >< so please elaborate?
I don't believe the Ascians had any intention or need to recover or repair the Thirteenth. They've deliberately manipulated each successive calamity to a particular element, and they've said on a few occasions that the next Rejoining will be the last one they need to resurrect Zodiark. Presumably, once all the elements have flooded back into the Source, there will be sufficient Aether, as well as the correct balance, for Zodiark to return. Once He destroys the now weakened Hydaelyn, the barrier dividing the remaining worlds will vanish, causing the remaining Shards Aether to flood back into the Source all at once.
All the Aether on the Thirteenth became overaspected to Astral Darkness, becoming wildly active, essentially exploding in all directions, blasting itself out of existence or down to it's component particles, too thin or scattered for the denizens of the Void to satisfy their needs on. All that Aether ~might come back together when the barrier between worlds vanishes. Or it might not. The Ascians don't seem particularly concerned either way, so I'd guess we shouldn't worry about it that much either.
... Personally, I have a suspicion that not all Shards were created equal, and the Thirteenth was essentially used as an experimental sacrifice by the Ascians, who knew that even if their original plan to rejoin the worlds didn't work, they were only losing the least valuable of the Shards anyway. That might also explain why they're so determined to rejoin the First, rather than moving on to another shard we can't help. It might simply have MORE Aether, and the other shards don't have a sufficient quantity to revive Zodiark.
Based on what the Exarch said, something tells me the eighth calamity wasn't enough, because the Ascians plan once they Zodiark back was to sacrifice all the 'fractured' races to him to empower him and get back their lost kin and world, but after the eighth, the whole star still has the same races and all that, it's just gone to shit because a lot of key figures died and society collapsed and could never recover. If Zodiark was resurrected after, there wouldn't be a society to send the Crystal Tower across time and space. I think they need more than 8 or they could very well need to all 13 meaning they would need to find a way to make the Void salvageable since as it stands, can't be rejoined.
Could it be that the original primal were byproducts of the calamitys? I just saw your bid and haven't thought much about lore, but could it be that with the wind calamity - >Garuda appeared, the elemental affinity seems so intended. I think it's bullshit while writing it XD but I like the thought that the primal are leftover ether from the shard which exploded with their elemental affinity.
If the void is an aether vacuum, then what are the voidsent made up of? How can you be made up of an absence of a thing? That doesn't really make sense.
They're not like dark aspected aether or anything?
I suspect that Emet was relying on the flood of light in the first to somehow rejoin the 13th as well, not just the 1st.
i'll be sad if the next expac really drops the ascians did it ploy,
we now know that were just shadows of them, the hades fight showed what the amaurotines can do, amaurot showed how they lived, we know how powerful they are, feels odd to just keep grinding away fighting for our small problems knowing what we could be.
but maybe someone, someone in our close group of comrades can act on that feeling and go after those variants of themselves to acquire that complete power, theyd know how to get started because they've been with us, plus it would be a brutal way to have someone close turn and have to take them out knowing that we ourself is slowly becoming what they were chasing after, a complete being.
Is the World of Darkness the 13th Shard? If so, then that means we've been able to travel to other shards long before 5.0.
Assuming it is it's not from a point in the past, and also the gate was kinds opened from the other side aswell
All of you are wrong. The true hotness is Ser Aymeric
Umm....sorry sweaty, but you're wrong. Hien is the true bae.
@@abavendarlocke5455 Hien is cute, but Aymeric is just so damn dreamy
* cries in Haurchefaunt *
*Roaming around with Estinien*
Pipin-kun would like to have a word with you
I wonder to what extent the sundering led to differenciate the shards and what similarities we might observe. Obviously the existence of the same races, albeit under a different name, in the first is a similarity, while the differing history and cultures are a clear difference (one of the key contributers to those differences being the Ascians and the calamities on the source). This aetherial connection between the shards and the source makes me wonder wether performing significant actions, that have a severe impact on the aetherflow at a specific point on a shard, might send an effect across the aetherflow to affect the geographically overlapping location on the source. I personally think it is not unplausible to think Ahm Araeng overlaps with Thanalan to some extent, Lakeland with Mor Dhona, Kholusia with La Noscea and Il Mheg being somewhere in the regions of the Twelveswood, near Abalathias Spine, while Rak'Tika could be considered the eastern part of the Twelveswood near Gyr Abania.
Pretty much the first is literally reflecting the source.
Notice how the Empty in the first is a lot like the Burn in the source? Which might beg the question as to whether it was actually primals that created the burn or something more similar to a flooding of light scenario.
The burn’s aether was redirected to those crystals in the steppe wasn’t it? I think they used it to raise the Allagan facilities into the sky if I’m remembering the end of StB correctly.
@@chaosrabbit8404 Oh yeah maybe... I just remember that it was stated or suggested that it isn't actually primals that caused it.
It makes me wonder what happened for the calamity of ice as there was no major event happening then that denizens were actively aware of.
It may have happened in a very distant part of the source that we haven't had a lot of interaction with yet.
" . . . but I don't want to dox anyone . . . " I see what you did there lol
2am why am I here!
5:44. Jabroni...cool word.
Video starts at 1:09
Sometime tells me we're going to end up in the 13th within the next 3 xpacs
My current, and probably very wrong, theory is that the people who attacked us when we started using Eden are survivors of the 13th and they had plans for using Eden to begin taking back their Shard.
The popular theory is that Unukalhai is a part of our soul, like Ardbert. He was a Warrior of Light in the Thirteenth after all, and his mask looks a LOT like the ones the Amaurotines wore.
@@CipherAres Which was more or less my thinking as well. We're going to be restoring the 13th because we're such nice people.
@@luc1ferous That theory sound more plausible than wrong.
Something I have to wonder about though is if Black Rose was the real cause of the rejoining in the original timeline, Zenos likely still would have gotten his body back and struck down his father as this new timeline presents provided he hadn't caught word of the player character's where abouts in Ilsabard. If Black Rose was off the table when this happened, what really caused the calamity? Is this not really over with yet?
I'm trying to wrap my head around it. There are several unaccounted variables that have thrown plans off like Zenos' Resonant powers, Ardbert's spirit communing with the Warrior of Light and Elidibus fessing up and telling Zenos everything that was going on.
Zenos is more likely to subjugate the free people in order to foster hatred in the hopes that it will create foes worthy of battle... Hm. Almost fits the state of the world after Black Rose. That seems more like just the chaotic nature of humanity once the order is gone rather than an intricate manipulation just to have a worthy opponent.
I am not entirely convinced that the way the aether traditionally flows and behaves on a shard/on the source is the exact same way that aether flows/is dislocated transdimensionally in the course of a Rejoining. If these processes play by different rulesets, stagnant aether can still be rejoined despite not /moving/ in the traditional way.
I also deem it possible (but am not adamant!) that the real spacial relationship between source and shards, the way they are located in relation to one another interdimensionally, does not entirely match up with Emet's model, and that this was more of a "oversimplification" to provide an easy grasp of things. In truth, all the shards are sort of "on the same spot" in a way, and there is no actual flood of aether moving "like a river" so much as that there is a slow breaking down of a barrier due to a general imbalance in both worlds. This breaking of the barrier causes a Rejoining, but the way the aether is exchanged between two realities is not an actual spatial flow as we saw it in the tower. Not sure that I explain it well.
There is a balanced stream of aether between each shard and the source.
So if the 1st ceases to flow, that stagnation probably severs the stream to the source, and without that tether, the 1st collapses back into the source, due to a corresponding polarity caused by the Black Rose epidemic.
Something like that. We were already seeing the beginnings of a light-aspected calamity on the source as well, with the Scions finding that aether had been 'draining' or disappearing from the land. Now that we know light = umbral = passive aether, we can now surmise that the 'drain' was aether becoming light-aspected and therefore going into stasis. All the Ascians had to do was crack the source's protective 'membrane' and the vacuum would do the rest. From what Solus was mumbling about Black Rose, I'm not sure the Ascians were 100% certain it would do what they wanted...
im never going to get an answer for this but... if the ascians fucked up a WHOLE SHARD (13th/void) isnt a full rejoining and restoring of their world entirely completely impossible?
But what about Biggs and Wedge?!
I agree with that intro how do more people like zenos than our weird patriotic boi gaius #gaius4lyfe
i hated the fact it was actually zenos with the power to come back from the dead and switch bodies ... I'm hoping it is the Manderville family that takes him down this time, so he is so embarrassed he just chooses to remain dead and surrender his aether.
HELL yeah team Gaius