I have recovered from an abu, sive society by the internet, I can learn a lot from it even though I failed school and this women comparing mobile with alcohol while telling people to give information and calling kids naive as if she's the savior for them and kids can't figure out themself. Na not for me. I get disappointed the moment she tell him they demand kids to act kind instead of showing them but I gave her a chance. If u guys interested in this subject just go find schools with no teachers or Finland school system. This isn't a mystery, we already figured it out. Theres an old video on thoughty2
I teach 5th grade in the U.S. and have followed Ms. Birbalsingh's work over the past few years. From first hand experience I can attest that her methods and philosophy of education work. But she doesn't need me to support her claims; she has the Michaela school as evidence. May God protect her from the attacks that will unceasingly come her way.
She needs every bit of support and testimony from *everyone* who admires her. Even with the amazing results (getting minority children out of a poverty trap, through education) people in the UK still want to destroy her.
Do we have anything similar in the US? I am moving away from “general parenting” toward more of her approach. I would love if the school system had a similar perspective. My preschooler is ahead in reading and math. I would love to keep her ahead and not have her detracted by poor behavior (hers and others).
@@gininorgard2987 Greta was homeschooled, I believe. Unfortunately groomed by her parents on their manipulative and twisted ideologies. Imagine, how a generation of adults have fallen under her spell.
I agree. All of this used to be common sense. When I did my teacher training 25 years ago, they taught us how to best teach the actual subject matter. We all had enough common sense to know that structure, discipline, consistency, follow-through, and high expectations were a given. Oh, and we weren't trying to win a popularity contest with the students (because we were all mature and confident adults). So many of us have left teaching early because they are expecting us to push their agenda in place of teaching students to be prepared for life and to be good, contributing citizens. It's a sad state we are in today.
Yes! I realized quickly that I am trying to get the children to eat their vegetables (metaphorically speaking) every single day. They're not gonna like it, but my persistence is a labour of love.
"When you love them" is key! "They" don't love them, they use them. That's why people like Katherine and Jordan are so needed in a society that is literally going to hell!
Maybe not so obvious, but I think it's the right path. It fits into the broader principle of treating people as if they were who they are capable of being.
Our school changed to accommodate Michaela ideas. They have revolutionised the kindness of our students and the hard work and responsibility we see every day.
100% agree but how best to do that? Would it be most effective for her to continue producing phenomenal results where she is as a model to replicate, educate willing school districts through creating some organization dedicated to actively replicating this model, or both or something else?
@@markclayton2614Excellent question! Perhaps if teachers themselves could be taken aside for a period of time to learn her methods, maybe that would help. Teaching is a skill and that is something I never hear being built upon other than being nice and happy to kids.
You can say that again and again. I have arrived at the same conclusion and when you think about the moral compass of older times, it was rooted fundamentally in biblical based values, despite how corrupted some of the presenters of the scriptures were and continue to be on some places. The Bible is incorruptible however
I homeschooled my well adjusted 5 children. Little kids don't need choices. I love this lady! Parents lead. Then older children know how and actually mature much better and at a faster level. My son graduated at 15 was in college and had a degree by 18. She's brilliant. Parent your kids!
What do you mean by little kids don’t need choices? My question is direct but sincere, not intended to be demeaning in any way. I’m just giving context of my thoughts here straight up, because she believes in freedom of choice, and he edifies her for students being rewarded for rather than intimidated into following the structure of the rules. Teamwork is full of decision making. Leaving children unequipped to understanding choice and consequence in correlation to those choices is detrimental to their critical thinking and problem solving skills. You said your children are well adjusted. Does that mean self sustaining, or marked well by their ability to follow command and authority? She is talking about thinking for herself, and teaching them to do the same. She’s collapsing an entire paradigm of restriction on choice, so this is why it doesn’t make sense to me to hear that they don’t need choices, as though choices destroy a spirited loyalty to structure. Again, just giving you context of where my mind is rationalizing the gap I’m not understanding in your comment and seeking to understand the nuance.
@tiffinysanchez2312 she is saying that kids are kids and probably more often than not they have no idea on what to choose or why they are choosing something, so as adults we need to make choices for them, until such time that we know that they can now make good choices. Understanding this is crucial. It is dependent on many factors. You don't allow kids to choose what to eat, otherwise they would just eat sweet foods, for example. You don't allow kids to choose what to buy at the supermarket because they have no cognitive ability to foresee the consequences of their actions in doing so. You slowly give them choices as they develop when you know they will make wise choices.
@@psmylife6832 “people need to be educated” sounds the exact same as the idea that children are incapable of rational thought without being told what to think and deprived of decisions instead of taught value and consequences in the process of developing their decision making and critical thinking skills. Every person learns ways of being from the behavior modeled to and around them starting in childhood.
This woman is spot on. Children crave guidance and the comfort of rules. Disipline leads to self discipline. Too much autonomy for a child ruins the child.
Here in Northern Ireland, the Christian Brothers Schools and the convent school that I went to in the late 60's/early 70's would have been very strict in comparison to the schools nowadays.
No. Kids need some autonomy to learn to play, experiment, fail and make their own choices. Over regulation is part of the problem as much as abandonment.
I give her 100% credit for what she is doing. I admire her tenacity and passion. Congratulations on the success of her school. Thankyou Jordan for the great interview.
Rules are important People will use proper language, if they are motvated with discipline and rules. Of course then there is alos time for freedom and creativity. In bootcamp people are taught to make their bed and hygiene. Rules increase focus, and focus decreases anxiety. Boredom increases anxiety. So she oii right about smartphones etc. If kids will not be taught that pink color is pink color commercial will tell them "you should leran how tto think, not what to think" you may convince yourself that pink is green, then the kids lose sense of reality.
She is absolutely right. Children need direction and reliability. A lack of both has the worst consequences on mental health and personality. Reading up on the parents of psychopaths is very revealing!
She has some masculine dominating energy in her while JP has feminine and being agreeable like he himself noted several times across his interviews, I find that to be the reason because he wanted to hear everything she had to say and have a sense of a follower just like her children at school perhaps. I think he found her to be a great role model in affirming her thoughts clearly, so that could also be a small hesitancy. When he has interlocutors like himself then he tends to meander quite a bit in his thought process, here on the other hand was a clear contrast here. I don't know how to put it well, but I really liked her a lot. She encompasses all strong sides that some historical female leaders had in the past while remaining gentle in her approach.
@@jenniraisovna5698 she is wrong in many details that she presented here. One important one is that she doesn't really grasp the idea of teaching children how to think - in which case she falsely believes that teaching "facts", e.g. about history (in quotations because historical facts are seldom accurate or presented in a nuanced fashion) and that this will somehow translate to skill-learning in life, (no, it wont!), but in her basic core and modus operandi she is more right than wrong.
@C_R_O_M________ Wrong that she very well may be, she is right more often then not and the results speak for themselves. Teaching facts is one thing but what she should have said is that with a successful combination of teaching facts AND CRITICAL THINKING, would then make it more effective. Do you want to know why they won't teach that? Because to teach Critical thinking is by it's very nature, to question everything and you can't have that in an organised setting such as a secondary school. Now? Critical thinking is one of the most important skills in the history of mankind, anyone who says otherwise is naive or blatantly lying.
I see Jordan Peterson, who I have the highest respect for, getting schooled. I've listened to hundreds of hours of Dr. Peterson and his interviews. She is a true force.
I don't think this discussion was in the rivalrious dynamic your painting it to be. These are very intelligent people with different experiences, perspectives and expertiese. I imagine they both learned a lot from each other.
So refreshing to see and listen to an educator with OPEN EYES, founding her statements on truth and common sense, not woke ideologies and victimhood. 👍🏻👍🏻
As a former teacher, I appreciate knowing that my perspective on education wasn’t/isn’t singular. I left because I couldn’t adhere to the nonsense anymore. Thank you both!
I feel the same and I am leaving at the end of term. I have tried to eschew ideology in the classroom and work hard using research based pedagogy but it is a losing battle. Like they say at the end here, paradise is a walled garden and I have existed in the desert outside for far too long.
I left when I saw how Common Core was going to wreck my bright autistic son's educational future. Prior to that I pulled him out of a progressive-minded school where the behavior was atrocious. My son's behavior plan required him to conduct himself at a higher level than neuro-typical students. He is in as school with a philosophy like this one. He is successfully learning and thriving.
For me, it was frustrating, exhausting, and lonely. I learned very quickly that it wasn’t productive, or in my best interest, to express my views- although, it was disingenuously encouraged. I understand, and I wish you the best.
Here is the thing she understands. Kids learn very little from other kids. Peer socialization is the quickest route to cultural devolution. Children are primarily socialized by adults who are large and in charge. The second issue is that if a child knows that an adult is too afraid to oppose them, then they know that same adult will not be there to oppose those who would hurt them. Unprotected children become very angry and don’t know where to take that anger. I salute what you are doing it works I know because it’s been my life’s work. 🙌
I think that that’s why schools like this are so good, they allow people to send their kids to good schools even if they don’t have money. i went to a “charter” high school, one hour commute both ways but got out of my neighborhood and got good friends in my life. my parents are immigrants and i grew up poor in a bad neighborhood, without schools like this i wouldn’t have had the choice but to fall in with a bad crowd. Bad crowds dont necessarily mean drugs, sex, etc- but there’s just not a lot of ambition or anything else there. You get used to believing you can’t do anything.
I grew up in Kenya and went to primary and secondary schools in Kenya. In HS, I can tell you that not even the school prefects wanted to bump into the deputy principal. She was so strict that whenever you'd bump into her, you'd start to question your entire existence - ok, a little exaggerated 😂. Very strict school teachers (especially, the deputy principal) is all i knew growing up. 15 years later and I'd absolutely love to buy my HS deputy principal a BIG lunch/dinner. I owe her a lot!
We have freedom in western culture The freedom is called "being glued and sticked to a smartphone" and scroll advertisement...and becoming walking advertisements. so the next week the brain does not even remember 90 percent of the content scrolled in few second videos. Maybe the brain remembers like one 10 second video from 1000 videos aweek. So if your only accomplishment is to scroll 1000 videos aweek that are 20 seciond long then you brain is even trying to erase it dirong sleep, because as articles say brain deletes during sleep, the information that isnt used much within one week. so your brain deletes in one year 40 000 20 second videos., so its better to do manual hobbies or sports.
Beautiful teaching in the 80s for me from sister Marion from northern Ireland and I am grateful from the education in karinga mission high school 📖🙌🏾🙋🏾♀️🛐✝️🙏🏾💪🏾
Yes the chaotic pandering to individual identities and desires doesn't create social stability, in fact it destroys it. An amazing interview and I love the "walled garden" analogy.
She’d be Education Secretary in my fantasy Cabinet!!! 😊 I have someone else in mind for PM but we cannot just have a cult of one man or woman. Definitely needs to be a good team.
In an election she would be instantly smeared as Hitleresque, likening her goals and methods to the efforts he made to strengthen discipline in German youth. Not that it is a bad thing, so long as the pernicious ideology is avoided, to which Birbalsingh alluded
@@SourPatchLydsit strikes me that's why they call her the 'strictest'. It doesn't sound too flattering. If she was a man the adjective would be the 'most sensible'.
Exactly! This reminds me of a scripture from the Bible that says "For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters. But don’t use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature. Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love. For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another." Galatians 5:13-15 NLT
Absolutely. I have my uncle aunt and mothers school books.. now they were psychologically tortured and abused ohsyically and thats not good and for sure we needed to stop that...but their books...!!! The geometry book for 12 14 15 year olds is so verbally complex...I cant even impersonate it or make an example because i havent the competence...think of stephen fry maybe... difficult but also precise. And the books are tiny. I havw thw two latin books for 12 to 18 year olds. You could be on a desert island with those books and learn latin. It gives you everything and its the size of a penguin pocket book. Tiny like a ladybird book. It has all the vocabulary all the conjugation tables all the tenses all the everything. Now my kids books make me sick. At 15 year old the biolgoy book has cartoons of little blood hemaoglobins waving hello to the white blood cells...christ! How patronising! When my kid was 6 he was reading about black holes and dinosaurs and the school was having the colour in apples and then put their head on the table when they were finsihed. I had to homeschool them after i recorded a few days of their schooling and realised most of it is shouting sit down be quiet don't run don't talk... and ridiculously simple minded boring crap ..one lesson was " what colour is the sky jimmy? Thats right blue. What colour is the sky Sarah thats right blue. What colour is the sky Mary thats right...on an on and on. It was so bad. 6 years old! What colour is the sky? Meanwhile he has no friends because he doesnt run arouns screaming like the other kids and wants to talk about black holes. He got in trouble for " outtburst" in class. What it was? He had spoken to the teacher in repsonse to something she said??? They dont want them repsonsing they dont want them asking qeustions they dont want to talk to them or teach them they just want them to gill out a sheet and shush. Somone like this woman as a child would not have been well liked by teachers today.
I feel so validated right now. 34:10 I don’t give my kids tons of choice because I’m a stay at home mother to four boys. I literally don’t have time or energy to consider every desire the children want. We are all happier when mom chooses and the day just flows along.
I always said the only power my kids had was the power I gave them. Kids need to live in a box, they know where the walls are, they feel safe inside. As they grow the walls expand, they get some control. But ultimately I maintained the power , I wasn't a tyrant because I didn't need to be. They are now happy, functioning adults. Stay strong...
Same here though i have only one boy, i dont argue. We can have a dialogue sometimes, but when it comes to non negotiables, adults decide, and he has to respect that.
Brilliance shines from this educator. ✨️ We only had pop on birthdays and holidays and were so excited. I taught in public schools for 32 years and this lady is spot on. Our union and our school board controlled our curriculum, but I did my own thing with great success 🙌.
I love to hear people with integrity, like this woman, critique people with integrity like Jordan Peterson. That's where the gold of ideas are refined. Great interview! I wish American schools were reformed with ideals like this.
Actually teaching them how to think is exactly what the communists are doing. View everything through the lens of inequality and solve every issue by stomping down differences.
“Strictness is immersed in love. When you’re strict with children, it’s because you love them enough to keep their standards high. Parents, have children rise up and meet you where you are. Demonstrate over and over again what virtuous behavior is, so that they too can learn to be virtuous.”
we need her everywhere. as an adult i realize that all my troubles at school came because i didn't get enough structure and attention. i was always breaking rules and doing meaningless stuff because i didnt feel the things i did at school mattered and was meaningless
As a Christian mother, about to dive into homeschooling my children, this was extremely encouraging. I have been feeling overwhelmed with all the ways I "should be" teaching my children. There's so much curriculum out there and so many methods of teaching. It seems like whatever I do will be the wrong choice. I'm so glad I took the time to listen to this (admittedly in bits and pieces over two weeks because my kiddos only give me a few uninterrupted minutes at a time!). I will be listening to this again and taking notes. You've given me lots of great sound advice and ideas. Thank you both!
Good luck, I'm sure you'll make the right decision. Anything is better than going to public school. Remember to make it fun for yourself, and not a chore or burden. 🎉
My children understand it may be a democracy we live in but as long as I pay the bills they live in a benevolent dictatorship! Six children, three under 16,.. the other three all productive members of society. So far, so good.
The problem with that attitude is that rich people then think because they have money they can do whatever they want and you get men like Jimmy Saville doing all sorts of weird shit
It’s absolutely crazy because I am 74 and my primary school and my secondary grammar school taught children exactly 100%. The way she is saying and with experience of life that is the right way and we’ve gone completely off the rails since that.
I'm 62 and was taught the same way. I did well in school, great in college and was very successful in my career. I wasn't taught what to think. I was taught factual concepts that I was expected to apply to problems in order to solve the problems. We were encouraged to read about subjects we were inerested in and if the experts had differing opinions, we were encouraged to find facts and decide for ourselves. And many questions about why we had to do certain things were answered "because we as adults make the rules and you as the child obey authority". Worked fine. We didn't have a bunch of ADHD brats disrupting class, parents didn't argue with the teachers for special treatment of their children and children learned. I'll guarantee that graduates of my 1979 class knew more history, math, English and science than today's graduates. We also knew how to drive, cook, sew, type, balance our checkbooks and compare prices at the grocery store. Today, many college students have trouble naming three countries, don't even know what the civil war was about and cannot read an old fashioned clock. It's pathetic.
I used to work with Katherine, and be a teacher in the UK. I was taught BY Michaela years ago (the teacher who the school is named after). Katherine is the real deal and I commend the success of the school. The piece around standards and excellence, is a powerful one. I also agree with her on teaching knowledge. Whilst I think her view of knowledge as mainly information is a limited one, she’s touching at something profound, without naming it. Namely, the disappearance of moral knowledge. Critical to helping children become adults is knowledge of what constitutes a good person, what it means to live well (not only knowledge of the world wars!). But we shy away from ideas about ‘good/bad’ in schools because we fear ‘moralising’. The politicisation of education (and every other sector of our culture) is a sad affair. I wonder if time will judge Katherine favourably, I hope it does.
With all the homeschool styles out there I foresee, Michaela to be added to the mix. She may open the door for home education to be open in EU again where some it's illegal
Religious schools have always understood this. Michaela School has to tread a thin line here because of the danger of Islamism, as the recent court case showed. Half the children there are Muslims, but Islamists hold back girls' education and make schools unbearable for non-Muslims.
I think you’re touching on the philosophy that schools are there to develop virtue and that accumulation of knowledge will necessarily happen as a byproduct. Whereas simple input of knowledge does not result in a virtuous individual. (For those who will say you can’t teach virtue, you don’t know the meaning of the word).
Yes for those saying you can’t teach virtue, they likely grew up ideologically with subjective-relativism with almost everything being in “the Gray area” of personal taste, preference, flavour, feeling etc. This is where cultural-relativism pushed one away from seeking superior ideals and towards completely unteathered freedom, which acts like every opinion, idea, or thought is equally valid, when nothing is further from the truth in the real world, especially related to Virtue and morality.
I am a teacher in Texas and have always taught in inner city schools. I love what I do, but I hate what our school system has become. We have administrators and higher ups that are cowardly and unwilling to say what Katharine expressed so well. I would love to work for someone like her!
Ms. Birbalsingh's passion and dedication to foster what is righteous and good in humanity is deeply inspiring. Great interview Dr. Peterson. Thank you!
My school was strict, especially my deputy head Mrs Jones. We disliked her so much we ignorantly likened her to Hitler, but she taught us so much too not just in the curriculum either. We were so so fortunate. A year after she, like others, were forced to retire at 60, the school had declined, in education, in standards and in stability. She made me the woman I am, my children and others have benefitted from her wisdom and strict knowledge of correct behaviour. I thank God for that woman, and her example, in my life. 🙏 This school reminds me of mine.
As a lifelong educator, I hope that you have sought her out to thank her. Being a strict teacher - when combined with a loving heart and high standards - is by far the most effective method of education, but you are fighting the establishment and parents endlessly. It is exhausting, but hearing a graduate say, "I didn't appreciate you then but I do now - THANK YOU!" is balm to a teachers soul and helps keep them going.
@@WhizzingFish12 shouldn't have to keep thanking ppl for doing their job.. and kids should not have to thank anyone for having their basic rights and needs met!
It's so encouraging that they accept all students into their school and still have great performance results - demonstrating just how much potential ALL children have to succeed!! 🙌
It has been clearly and indisputably demonstrated that 'dumb' children perform as 'geniuses ' when teachers treat them as if they are brilliant and provide challenges. They excel.
Oh she's wonderful. Imagine, teaching people it's okay to be proud of your nation instead of insisting you're a colonizer who should feel extreme guilt until you find a way to give everything away. Canadian here.
Yes I get it. It’s a lot so much of it so full of conquests, war, etc. We need to take most History out of our educational systems. If we teach being humane, being moral, to have forgiveness, to ask for forgiveness, to be part of the collaborative from family to the world and of course the Golden rule? History can be taught in college. The versions of history are so varied A more mature mind can discern accordingly. The lessons of history are more important than the details and can be taught without the contexts? ❤❤❤
As a 30 year classroom veteran and mother, Katharine is my spirit animal. She is the leader I aspire to be and expresses her beliefs and psychology in the way that all of today's parents need to hear!
She is just like the teachers I had in Yugoslavia. Awsome!!! Im now 64 live in America for the last 42 years and still adore all my teachers. Unlike the ones I experienced in the USA for my son. At 2nd grade, I switched from public to Jesuit schools, and he is a stabile, smart physician now. Discipline, great curriculum, and history !!👍
The sad fact is that most current politicians wouldn’t be prepared to take a successful education system if it came at the cost of any of their progressive ambitions
Brown girl here 🙋♀️ Black and brown kids NEED this the most here in the UK !!! This school is a BLESSING. Change the culture of black & black mixed families & soon enough we will see a better breed of black ladies & gentlemen, like we used to !!!! ❤ In the past they were very respectable. Sadly we have to wait now
Thanks so much to Dr Peterson and Katharine Birbalsingh for one of the best discussions that we have had on this TH-cam channel. It is uplifting to hear someone who is so enthusiastic about the education of children. The Michaela system of education really does need to be rolled out across more and more schools. Delighted to hear that the school won the court case too, that was important. I've been told that England v Denmark was like watching paint dry ! 👍
I can't remember the last time I watched a 1:30:04 hour video in a sitting. It was very hard to put off commenting until after I'd watched it in its entirety... I absolutely love this remarkable woman! She is so animated and passionate about the education of children that it's easy to imagine her students adore her.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Katharine Birbalsingh should join forces. They should try to find a way to implement their methods and ideas globally; go to every government/country and change the school system. Everything starts at school. So if they would accomplish that a few years from now we would have something that would be the beginning to world peace.
@@Happyheretic2308 already has a name.....joining with Peterson is a great idea....and free charter school everywhere. re-direct tax dollars where parents choose to send their children
@@pinetree5489Home gives you advantage, but think what we would be with both. Have you read our grandparents letters? The vocabulary that they had, the poetry. We have lost it.
Reminds me of Whole Brain Teaching by Chris Biffle especially with regards to interacting with peers in short brief sessions to practice what was just taught. I still use several strategies and love the rules from Whole Brain Teaching as several are concrete ex Raise your hand for permission to speak and we practice these rules every day for months and revisit throughout the year at least 2-3 times a week. When someone talks out of turn all I do is say Rule 2 and the rest of the class chimes in Raise your hand for permission to speak and that nips the talking in the bud most of the time. 😊
I’m from Alberta, Canada…the only province with Charter Schools. Sending our daughters to Charter School was the absolute best choice we ever made. It was the best education ever! Thank you JP for bringing attention to Charter Schools. Great interview!
Also from AB and though I don't have children, I know of those who have chosen charter schools for their kids, or who teach it administer these schools. 👍🏻
@@gypsysoul4994 thanks, i will go to sait this fall, so now i'm looking for a school for my soon-to-be 5 yo son. any chance you could recommend a couple of school? hopefully, like michaela school
I had a Spanish class and the teacher said day 1, this class is hard. You will have a lot of work, and the tests will be thorough, and while normally that's a red flag, she was an incredible teacher. We did tons of work but it was talking in groups, playing games, coming up with skits, just tons of engaging work using what we were learning. Unfortunately thats when covid started up and everything went online, but she (and a few others I've had) was a shining example of a strict and tough class, that really helped you learn.
I'm only halfway through the interview and I had to Google her and subscribe to her socials. I've been a teaching artist for the last 15 years mostly in the inner city of Philadelphia. What she said about white people coming into the inner city and trying to dictate how we teach our kids is a very real thing. It's probably the first time I've ever audibly screamed "yes" while listening to a podcast. SHE GETS IT! Thank you Jordan for sharing this wonderful human being. Inner city education is a labor of love and incredibly difficult. It's not easy to find mentors and people to look up to in this field that are actually doing the work that I think would be effective to the inner city kids that I teach. Thank you thank you thank you!!
I respect you, SO MUCH, Katherine Birbalsingh!!! Thank you for understanding what CHILDREN NEED!!! Children are not just short adults!!! I love children. And they need what you say!! I agree with you. ❤️🤗
As a retired teacher I completely agree with Katherine. Children leave school with little or no knowledge and therefore do not have the building blocks to enable them to think, argue and persuade when they are young adults.
The last 30 mins is incredible to me and just hit my heart. What a privilege to have this type of conversation FREE! Where else in my life right now would I have it otherwise! Wonderful and inspiring ❤
What an amazing woman. She is the answer to the current mess our educational system and society is in. As JP remarked, she is a force of nature. An absolute gift!
This lady has hit the nail on the head, it’s just sad we don’t know how to change the school system, so we are homeschooling instead. I wish she would train up more children with her philosophy and spread it wider.
Its quite remarkable. I was the beneficiary of a very similar eduction to the one that Ms. Birbalsingh is providing for her students. Like her, I also grew up in Toronto. I attended a Catholic boys school operating by the Christian Brothers in the 1970s. If I were a betting man, I would wager she attended a similar girls school run buy the nuns. The focus was definitely on knowledge acquisition and the development of moral character. By the end of Prep school (grade eight), we had mastered English and Latin grammer, and memorized vast tracks of English poetry, world geography and recent history. In order to collect extra cash for ice cream in the summers, my older brother used to make bets with kids in our neighbourhood, that he could tell them the capitol of any country in the world they could name; he never lost a bet! Like so many things missing in today's world, the miracle that Ms. Birbalsingh is reviving was standard practice less than 50 years ago. Our entire boomer generation benefited from it and then tossed it in the trash. How stupid can people actually be, eh!
It sounds like you recieved a "Classical Education". I envy you because apart from my years in the recently desegregated 1970's Virginia education system, recieving an education from dedicated teachers with degrees in their fields, I think public education has failed most Americans.
I went to a Christian Brothers school in Detroit area for one year - I hated. Couldn't get away fast enough. At my new non-Catholic school, I thrived, and was a straight-A student. Went on to maybe the best University in America. I always wanted to go back to the catholic one, and ask : How many of your students went on to Harvard? If they said, NONE, I would say: ONE, the one you chased away.
Ha ha before I even reached the point where you mentioned the Christian Brothers, I thought "I bet you he went to a Christian Brothers School". Here in Northern Ireland, our Christian Brothers schools ( which my brothers both attended) and the convent schools ( which I and my sisters attended) were known to be strict but we got great results and had very happy school days.
Jordan Peterson and Katharine Birbalsingh - please make an international online school that covers from the beginning of primary school to the end of university, and make it globally available for people so we can study your courses online from home! Include a course for parents and home educators so they can make their learning environments at home similar to your classrooms at Michaela Community School if that sort of discipline is what's needed for success. You are both incredibly inspiring! Thank you for being a voice for all of us!
I went to my daughter's parent teacher interview and to my surprise the student was invited and was to lead the meeting , I was shocked and I wish I had the means to move her to a private school. Public schools are killing this generation of teens😢 I wish it was headmistress like her here in Australia
I just simply love seeing two grown adults having a conversation period. What we are missing in our current iPhone society is simple communication skills. I received a lot of fresh knowledge myself by watching two adults communicate well. My prayer is that we would ALL reclaim the basic communication abilities required to not promote anger and frustration but humility and patience. Thank you both for having this conversation and sharing it with the public.
Look how impressed and happy we are to find common sense being applied. Thank you Lord for this Woman and her staff. Please Lord bless the work of their hands and protect their school.
I first found KB while in a Masters of Arts in Teaching program because I 100% independently came to conclusion that what I was being guided to think was absurd and lacked focus and clarity. She was my entry point into a whole world of heterodox thinking that led me also to Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Peterson, Haidt, etc. She’s 100% correct: give K-12 students age appropriate facts about the subjects they are learning, and depending on age, help guide them, by using structure and discipline, to develop social skills such as public speaking and respect for those around them.
Speaking of a great education, Dr. Peterson, you were saying that Peterson Academy is launching this week? I absolutely cannot wait. I had to choose between grad school at UMaine (woke as a joke) and Peterson Academy and, well, that’s not a difficult choice. I won’t have the time and attention to begin until this fall, when my kids go back to school, so I’m thinking of it as beginning the fall semester after a gap year (I earned my BA last year). My years at the University of Maine were very rich and very happy ones. I emerged a stronger Christian and a stronger conservative as a result of testing my beliefs and finding them good. But it wasn’t the education I dreamed of as a child. Peterson Academy is. My review of my evening at your lecture is done, I’m just waiting for a publication date from my editor. I hope you will like it. Feel the need to leave you a hug and warm wishes for a successful conclusion to the South America leg of the tour and traveling mercies as you travel home. With so much love from Ruth Anne
My mom taught in an inner city predominantly black that were very behind grade level and not only did my mom get them on grade level but had the highest test scores! Unfortunately there was a lot of jealousy towards my mom because it was her first or second year teacher and lots of discrimination against her because she wasn’t black or Mexican. She doesn’t teach anymore at schools but helps my kids and our neighbor friend
Thank you, Jordan, for this incredible interview and Katharine, for your enlightening insights and experience; the future IS children and it should always start with meaningful learning. Here in my home state in the US, the homeschooling community has been exploding in popularity due to a decreasing quality of public education. The latter of which is a growing issue in America all-around. It brings me joy to find children are being given purposeful, forward-thinking tuition in England, which I generally assumed to be too modern 'progressive' to offer such a thing. Despite the obstacles, the fight for our children and our future is a fight that cannot be lost. God bless you, both.
I wish I lived closer. I would love to volunteer there...What a wonderful lady. She is changing the world, one child at a time. Sooner or later the higher ups are going to sit up and take notice.🤞🏼
She's the best kinda force...get out of her way!!! She's a champion of children!! I believe there's a lot of "her" in America. I pray this becomes "contagious"!
This is the kind of engagement known in authentic Jewish learning by the greatest rabbis and teachers for centuries. May the Michaela School, run by Miss Katherine, with the kind of education, protection and nurturing of our children she embues, spread far and wide, and soon be the kind of education known and beloved to children and societies everywhere.
Love her! As an educator here in the US, I wish I could work for her!!! She is 100% correct that strict discipline & structure are needed - not all of this SEL garbage!
@@emmkay16 social emotional learning. It’s a nonsense curriculum being pushed in our schools that supposedly will fix all of their issues - rather than discipline & structure.
this woman - Katharine Birbalsingh - is my idol. she is correct - facts first! give the children knowledge and not too many choices. because they are children - they don’t need freedom, they need security and truth, they need guidance and adults who understand that they are children. so much wisdom from this conversation and i thank mr peterson for giving ms. birbalsingh this platform. i hope to get to visit this school and more importantly, i hope more schools and governments adopt this method.
Now and again, you come across a human that makes a difference. If the teaching profession had more people like her, the future of our young people would be in safe hands.
Love it so much. I work in a private middle school. I'm so sick of group project based learning. It's an excuse for kids to goof off. I'll be 60 this year, I'm old school-- old school worked. I'm also done with emerging, developing, proficient, extending, proficiency scale as the grading system. Kids have no idea where they are at and have stopped caring.
I’m a kindergarten teacher and I would love to visit this school. I want so much to do the best for my little ones. I just think is so important to get this right.
Near that school there is a park where Pakistani hang out, 1am and guess who joins them men, just strange how this happens in plain sight in the community
This lady is resonating with me. I have been teaching EFL for 16 years. In my time overseas I have also spent years studying Mandarin. I have learned that if you want to be able to express yourself well in another language, you need to be able to get to a level to where you can read it, and then you just need to read and read and read some more. It wasn't project based learning or inquiry learning that got me to fluency. However, I am not trying to knock those approaches. But through my years of teaching and studying myself, I realized that repeated reading (i.e., reading the same thing many times) is what cements it in our minds. Our schools in the USA should start teaching Shakespeare as soon as kids can read. Obviously they are not going to understand it while that young, but they will learn the pronunciations, the rhythms, and develop a sense of the language. Now imagine if through their education career of grades 1-12, every year they are reading and doing repeated reading of Shakespeare's works, by the time they are in grade 11 or 12, so many of the kids would be able to speak and think and write and express themselves at an incredibly high level. Then they would be free to explore the vastness of English literature with extreme confidence.
I was briefly a teacher. Katherine keeps saying over and over that children need knowledge. Amen. Here is another way to put it. I use the word "facts" in place of knowledge. The ethos in American education is that facts are too hard. Why learn facts when you can just look them up? Or so the argument goes. The answer is that facts are to ideas what words are to sentences and sentences to paragraphs. You can't write without knowing words and you can't think without knowing facts, or knowledge. Jordan and Katherine, "We the people." can't thank you enough.
This woman is a menace and we need her on the front lines in the fight for free expression. She is phenomenal.
Did you even watch?
What an odd way to say exclusionary mouthpiece.
Free speech is not her issue. That's all i meant
I have recovered from an abu, sive society by the internet, I can learn a lot from it even though I failed school and this women comparing mobile with alcohol while telling people to give information and calling kids naive as if she's the savior for them and kids can't figure out themself. Na not for me.
I get disappointed the moment she tell him they demand kids to act kind instead of showing them but I gave her a chance.
If u guys interested in this subject just go find schools with no teachers or Finland school system. This isn't a mystery, we already figured it out.
Theres an old video on thoughty2
I have been watching her interviews for years. The schools of the 1970s were stricter than hers LoL.
I teach 5th grade in the U.S. and have followed Ms. Birbalsingh's work over the past few years. From first hand experience I can attest that her methods and philosophy of education work. But she doesn't need me to support her claims; she has the Michaela school as evidence. May God protect her from the attacks that will unceasingly come her way.
She needs every bit of support and testimony from *everyone* who admires her.
Even with the amazing results (getting minority children out of a poverty trap, through education) people in the UK still want to destroy her.
Well done!❤
Do we have anything similar in the US? I am moving away from “general parenting” toward more of her approach. I would love if the school system had a similar perspective. My preschooler is ahead in reading and math. I would love to keep her ahead and not have her detracted by poor behavior (hers and others).
@@angelaa.7352 home educate... it's the only way if there isn't one of these rare schools around.
I'm curious, where have you found her work? I can't find any of her books
This lady is saying what every parent, every adult, needs to hear and understand.
Stop asking kids to make decisions they aren't qualified to make.
I've always wondered what education Greta Thunberg had to back her claims. NONE!
@@gininorgard2987this is a very uneducated comment. Not agreeing with someone doesn't make them uneducated. She is very educated.
@@pathfinderwellcare. You might want to do a little more research on that topic!😊
@@gininorgard2987 Greta was homeschooled, I believe. Unfortunately groomed by her parents on their manipulative and twisted ideologies. Imagine, how a generation of adults have fallen under her spell.
@@gininorgard2987 Education trumps case studies?? She has actual proof that her methods work.
Katherine should be made the Education Minister for England. Her education policy she be taught throughout to save the young people of Great Britain!
I completely agree. If I were PM, she would be my first minister appointment.
Under the soon-to-be, far left Labour government, I would not be surprised to see her driven to resign, and her school closed down 🤮😡😡🤦
@@profaneangel0842 Oh no. Please don't say that. 😱
Agree
Nah, straight to PM
"Strictness wrapped in love. When you love them you keep the standards high." Wonderful. Isn't this all obvious?;❤
I agree. All of this used to be common sense. When I did my teacher training 25 years ago, they taught us how to best teach the actual subject matter. We all had enough common sense to know that structure, discipline, consistency, follow-through, and high expectations were a given. Oh, and we weren't trying to win a popularity contest with the students (because we were all mature and confident adults). So many of us have left teaching early because they are expecting us to push their agenda in place of teaching students to be prepared for life and to be good, contributing citizens. It's a sad state we are in today.
Yes!
Yes! I realized quickly that I am trying to get the children to eat their vegetables (metaphorically speaking) every single day. They're not gonna like it, but my persistence is a labour of love.
"When you love them" is key! "They" don't love them, they use them. That's why people like Katherine and Jordan are so needed in a society that is literally going to hell!
Maybe not so obvious, but I think it's the right path. It fits into the broader principle of treating people as if they were who they are capable of being.
Our school changed to accommodate Michaela ideas. They have revolutionised the kindness of our students and the hard work and responsibility we see every day.
Oh that’s wonderful to hear. Hopefully they will continue to benefit from her methods.
Which school?
This woman is doing God's work - education in the ENTIRE Western world needs to be overhauled to follow her example. That is how we save the West!
100% agree but how best to do that? Would it be most effective for her to continue producing phenomenal results where she is as a model to replicate, educate willing school districts through creating some organization dedicated to actively replicating this model, or both or something else?
@@markclayton2614Excellent question! Perhaps if teachers themselves could be taken aside for a period of time to learn her methods, maybe that would help. Teaching is a skill and that is something I never hear being built upon other than being nice and happy to kids.
Uh no😂 this is the way it used to be in the 70s and 80s
“They” will not let that happen.
@@penelopehunt2371And how has our educational system been doing since then? Hint: not well.
It's sadly amazing how unusual, brave and refreshing the old common sense became nowadays
You can say that again and again. I have arrived at the same conclusion and when you think about the moral compass of older times, it was rooted fundamentally in biblical based values, despite how corrupted some of the presenters of the scriptures were and continue to be on some places. The Bible is incorruptible however
It’s now un common sense 😢
I homeschooled my well adjusted 5 children. Little kids don't need choices. I love this lady! Parents lead. Then older children know how and actually mature much better and at a faster level. My son graduated at 15 was in college and had a degree by 18. She's brilliant. Parent your kids!
Parent you kids indeed! Sadly so many parents prioritize their careers over their young children. 😢
What do you mean by little kids don’t need choices? My question is direct but sincere, not intended to be demeaning in any way. I’m just giving context of my thoughts here straight up, because she believes in freedom of choice, and he edifies her for students being rewarded for rather than intimidated into following the structure of the rules.
Teamwork is full of decision making. Leaving children unequipped to understanding choice and consequence in correlation to those choices is detrimental to their critical thinking and problem solving skills. You said your children are well adjusted. Does that mean self sustaining, or marked well by their ability to follow command and authority?
She is talking about thinking for herself, and teaching them to do the same. She’s collapsing an entire paradigm of restriction on choice, so this is why it doesn’t make sense to me to hear that they don’t need choices, as though choices destroy a spirited loyalty to structure. Again, just giving you context of where my mind is rationalizing the gap I’m not understanding in your comment and seeking to understand the nuance.
@tiffinysanchez2312 she is saying that kids are kids and probably more often than not they have no idea on what to choose or why they are choosing something, so as adults we need to make choices for them, until such time that we know that they can now make good choices. Understanding this is crucial. It is dependent on many factors. You don't allow kids to choose what to eat, otherwise they would just eat sweet foods, for example. You don't allow kids to choose what to buy at the supermarket because they have no cognitive ability to foresee the consequences of their actions in doing so. You slowly give them choices as they develop when you know they will make wise choices.
People need to be educated primarily on "ways of being". I believe in this above most everything else.
@@psmylife6832 “people need to be educated” sounds the exact same as the idea that children are incapable of rational thought without being told what to think and deprived of decisions instead of taught value and consequences in the process of developing their decision making and critical thinking skills. Every person learns ways of being from the behavior modeled to and around them starting in childhood.
JB and Birbalsingh should do a regular series together on Raising / Teaching kids. I'd be taking notes!
Here here!
Here here
She definitely speaks for me!!!
Absolutely!
Yeh!!
This woman is spot on. Children crave guidance and the comfort of rules. Disipline leads to self discipline. Too much autonomy for a child ruins the child.
Here in Northern Ireland, the Christian Brothers Schools and the convent school that I went to in the late 60's/early 70's would have been very strict in comparison to the schools nowadays.
This is 💯 true.
"A child left to himself will bring his mother to shame" - the Bible
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No. Kids need some autonomy to learn to play, experiment, fail and make their own choices. Over regulation is part of the problem as much as abandonment.
I give her 100% credit for what she is doing. I admire her tenacity and passion. Congratulations on the success of her school. Thankyou Jordan for the great interview.
This needs to be heard across the entire education system, no matter the country.
Rules are important
People will use proper language, if they are motvated with discipline and rules.
Of course then there is alos time for freedom and creativity.
In bootcamp people are taught to make their bed and hygiene.
Rules increase focus, and focus decreases anxiety.
Boredom increases anxiety.
So she oii right about smartphones etc.
If kids will not be taught that pink color is pink color
commercial will tell them "you should leran how tto think, not what to think"
you may convince yourself that pink is green, then the kids lose sense of reality.
I like she is teaching kindness and empathy.
Some people are very smart but they are not able to talk with people with kindness and respect.
not just across the country bu across the whole planet hearth and beyond, God bless her now and forever .❤
I just can't, she is the only one who managed talking with Jordan AND not letting him to go a stray too much, love her energy!
She is absolutely right.
Children need direction and reliability.
A lack of both has the worst consequences on mental health and personality.
Reading up on the parents of psychopaths is very revealing!
She has some masculine dominating energy in her while JP has feminine and being agreeable like he himself noted several times across his interviews, I find that to be the reason because he wanted to hear everything she had to say and have a sense of a follower just like her children at school perhaps. I think he found her to be a great role model in affirming her thoughts clearly, so that could also be a small hesitancy. When he has interlocutors like himself then he tends to meander quite a bit in his thought process, here on the other hand was a clear contrast here. I don't know how to put it well, but I really liked her a lot. She encompasses all strong sides that some historical female leaders had in the past while remaining gentle in her approach.
😂 hilarious.
@@jenniraisovna5698 she is wrong in many details that she presented here.
One important one is that she doesn't really grasp the idea of teaching children how to think - in which case she falsely believes that teaching "facts", e.g. about history (in quotations because historical facts are seldom accurate or presented in a nuanced fashion) and that this will somehow translate to skill-learning in life, (no, it wont!), but in her basic core and modus operandi she is more right than wrong.
@C_R_O_M________ Wrong that she very well may be, she is right more often then not and the results speak for themselves.
Teaching facts is one thing but what she should have said is that with a successful combination of teaching facts AND CRITICAL THINKING, would then make it more effective.
Do you want to know why they won't teach that? Because to teach Critical thinking is by it's very nature, to question everything and you can't have that in an organised setting such as a secondary school.
Now? Critical thinking is one of the most important skills in the history of mankind, anyone who says otherwise is naive or blatantly lying.
I see Jordan Peterson, who I have the highest respect for, getting schooled.
I've listened to hundreds of hours of Dr. Peterson and his interviews.
She is a true force.
She didn’t teach him anything, but she postured aggressively as though she did
I don't think this discussion was in the rivalrious dynamic your painting it to be. These are very intelligent people with different experiences, perspectives and expertiese. I imagine they both learned a lot from each other.
Schooled? 🤦🏻♂️
So refreshing to see and listen to an educator with OPEN EYES, founding her statements on truth and common sense, not woke ideologies and victimhood. 👍🏻👍🏻
I want to be a kid again and go here
Jesus is the Son of G-d. He died on a cross and rose from the dead on the third day. He is sitting at the right hand of G-d.
Every school looks better then woke ones. Comparing it is unhealthy. Have some standards.
I wish you people would stop using the adjective "common" so much. Especially when attached to the noun "sense".
Was dissapointed to hear theyre vegetarian though
We desperately need more people like Katharine to help our education system 🙏🙏
As a former teacher, I appreciate knowing that my perspective on education wasn’t/isn’t singular. I left because I couldn’t adhere to the nonsense anymore. Thank you both!
I feel the same and I am leaving at the end of term. I have tried to eschew ideology in the classroom and work hard using research based pedagogy but it is a losing battle. Like they say at the end here, paradise is a walled garden and I have existed in the desert outside for far too long.
I left when I saw how Common Core was going to wreck my bright autistic son's educational future. Prior to that I pulled him out of a progressive-minded school where the behavior was atrocious. My son's behavior plan required him to conduct himself at a higher level than neuro-typical students.
He is in as school with a philosophy like this one. He is successfully learning and thriving.
Pleased to hear he is doing well.
For me, it was frustrating, exhausting, and lonely. I learned very quickly that it wasn’t productive, or in my best interest, to express my views- although, it was disingenuously encouraged. I understand, and I wish you the best.
Here is the thing she understands. Kids learn very little from other kids. Peer socialization is the quickest route to cultural devolution. Children are primarily socialized by adults who are large and in charge.
The second issue is that if a child knows that an adult is too afraid to oppose them, then they know that same adult will not be there to oppose those who would hurt them. Unprotected children become very angry and don’t know where to take that anger.
I salute what you are doing it works I know because it’s been my life’s work. 🙌
That's wonderful. Be proud of yourself; only special people will commit to their own values and beliefs, especially when it involves many children.
I think that that’s why schools like this are so good, they allow people to send their kids to good schools even if they don’t have money. i went to a “charter” high school, one hour commute both ways but got out of my neighborhood and got good friends in my life. my parents are immigrants and i grew up poor in a bad neighborhood, without schools like this i wouldn’t have had the choice but to fall in with a bad crowd.
Bad crowds dont necessarily mean drugs, sex, etc- but there’s just not a lot of ambition or anything else there. You get used to believing you can’t do anything.
I grew up in Kenya and went to primary and secondary schools in Kenya. In HS, I can tell you that not even the school prefects wanted to bump into the deputy principal. She was so strict that whenever you'd bump into her, you'd start to question your entire existence - ok, a little exaggerated 😂. Very strict school teachers (especially, the deputy principal) is all i knew growing up.
15 years later and I'd absolutely love to buy my HS deputy principal a BIG lunch/dinner. I owe her a lot!
I am also a student of strict teachers in Kenya and they definitely taught me a lot. Looking back, the strictness was needed
We have freedom in western culture
The freedom is called "being glued and sticked to a smartphone"
and scroll advertisement...and becoming walking advertisements.
so the next week the brain does not even remember 90 percent of the content scrolled in few second videos.
Maybe the brain remembers like one 10 second video from 1000 videos aweek.
So if your only accomplishment is to scroll 1000 videos aweek that are 20 seciond long
then you brain is even trying to erase it dirong sleep, because as articles say
brain deletes during sleep, the information that isnt used much within one week.
so your brain deletes in one year 40 000
20 second videos., so its better to do manual hobbies or sports.
Beautiful teaching in the 80s for me from sister Marion from northern Ireland and I am grateful from the education in karinga mission high school 📖🙌🏾🙋🏾♀️🛐✝️🙏🏾💪🏾
Yes the chaotic pandering to individual identities and desires doesn't create social stability, in fact it destroys it. An amazing interview and I love the "walled garden" analogy.
A school owner here from Ghana. Thank you both for this interview. I have gained fresh perspectives
Love from Ghana. I believe you have a similarity arduous task.
Good luck!
Go!
I would vote for this woman as UK PM.
She’d be Education Secretary in my fantasy Cabinet!!! 😊 I have someone else in mind for PM but we cannot just have a cult of one man or woman. Definitely needs to be a good team.
In an election she would be instantly smeared as Hitleresque, likening her goals and methods to the efforts he made to strengthen discipline in German youth. Not that it is a bad thing, so long as the pernicious ideology is avoided, to which Birbalsingh alluded
Only a Brit should be pm of The uk.
She would be wasted as PM. She needs to teach the teachers.
As an American, I support her!
Oh my, I love her. What an absolute main character. Smart, strong, courageous, virtuous, and charitable.
'Main character' - made me smile. Great saying.
She's truly a role model for women. The perfect combination of disagreeable and knowledgeable.
@@SourPatchLydsit strikes me that's why they call her the 'strictest'. It doesn't sound too flattering. If she was a man the adjective would be the 'most sensible'.
@@rinber13she's embraced it anyway
"Freedom requires virtue." Nailed it.
Exactly!
This reminds me of a scripture from the Bible that says "For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters. But don’t use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature. Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love. For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another."
Galatians 5:13-15 NLT
Low expectations by parents & schools is the main problem in education. Bravo to people like Ms. Singh!
Absolutely. I have my uncle aunt and mothers school books.. now they were psychologically tortured and abused ohsyically and thats not good and for sure we needed to stop that...but their books...!!! The geometry book for 12 14 15 year olds is so verbally complex...I cant even impersonate it or make an example because i havent the competence...think of stephen fry maybe... difficult but also precise. And the books are tiny. I havw thw two latin books for 12 to 18 year olds. You could be on a desert island with those books and learn latin. It gives you everything and its the size of a penguin pocket book. Tiny like a ladybird book. It has all the vocabulary all the conjugation tables all the tenses all the everything. Now my kids books make me sick. At 15 year old the biolgoy book has cartoons of little blood hemaoglobins waving hello to the white blood cells...christ! How patronising! When my kid was 6 he was reading about black holes and dinosaurs and the school was having the colour in apples and then put their head on the table when they were finsihed. I had to homeschool them after i recorded a few days of their schooling and realised most of it is shouting sit down be quiet don't run don't talk... and ridiculously simple minded boring crap ..one lesson was " what colour is the sky jimmy? Thats right blue. What colour is the sky Sarah thats right blue. What colour is the sky Mary thats right...on an on and on. It was so bad. 6 years old! What colour is the sky? Meanwhile he has no friends because he doesnt run arouns screaming like the other kids and wants to talk about black holes. He got in trouble for " outtburst" in class. What it was? He had spoken to the teacher in repsonse to something she said??? They dont want them repsonsing they dont want them asking qeustions they dont want to talk to them or teach them they just want them to gill out a sheet and shush. Somone like this woman as a child would not have been well liked by teachers today.
I feel so validated right now. 34:10 I don’t give my kids tons of choice because I’m a stay at home mother to four boys. I literally don’t have time or energy to consider every desire the children want. We are all happier when mom chooses and the day just flows along.
I always said the only power my kids had was the power I gave them.
Kids need to live in a box, they know where the walls are, they feel safe inside.
As they grow the walls expand, they get some control. But ultimately I maintained the power , I wasn't a tyrant because I didn't need to be.
They are now happy, functioning adults.
Stay strong...
Same here though i have only one boy, i dont argue. We can have a dialogue sometimes, but when it comes to non negotiables, adults decide, and he has to respect that.
@@AppearDispairDisappear-xi1gt
I always said I was not raising children.. I was raising adults.
🎯🙏🌷
Amen...I am old and the choices we have are sometimes overwhelming to me. If someone made all my choices somedays I'd be thrilled 😂
Brilliance shines from this educator. ✨️ We only had pop on birthdays and holidays and were so excited. I taught in public schools for 32 years and this lady is spot on. Our union and our school board controlled our curriculum, but I did my own thing with great success 🙌.
"Freedom requires virtue."
-Well said!
Look at what the LEFT thinks Freedom is for: License and Corruption
I love to hear people with integrity, like this woman, critique people with integrity like Jordan Peterson. That's where the gold of ideas are refined.
Great interview! I wish American schools were reformed with ideals like this.
THE bad thing about this is that there are so few people like this.
It's very refreshing. I'm a big fan of Peterson's work but I'd love to hear more honest criticism of his ideas.
Actually teaching them how to think is exactly what the communists are doing. View everything through the lens of inequality and solve every issue by stomping down differences.
❤where gold of ideas are refined at extreme temperatures.
This discussion caused me to burst in tears. I wish we can have people like her everywhere.
“Strictness is immersed in love. When you’re strict with children, it’s because you love them enough to keep their standards high. Parents, have children rise up and meet you where you are. Demonstrate over and over again what virtuous behavior is, so that they too can learn to be virtuous.”
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who are all these moronical parents letting their kids decide and do anything they want. it's INSANE.
Beautiful words!!
We need educators like her in America
We need more like her in the UK too!
Geoffrey Canada, Harlem Children’s Zone.
She is amazing and a common sense thinker. God bless our children ..let's continue to pray for our families and lift them up...in Jesus name❤
She's ours, get your own one 😅
we need her everywhere. as an adult i realize that all my troubles at school came because i didn't get enough structure and attention. i was always breaking rules and doing meaningless stuff because i didnt feel the things i did at school mattered and was meaningless
As a Christian mother, about to dive into homeschooling my children, this was extremely encouraging. I have been feeling overwhelmed with all the ways I "should be" teaching my children. There's so much curriculum out there and so many methods of teaching. It seems like whatever I do will be the wrong choice. I'm so glad I took the time to listen to this (admittedly in bits and pieces over two weeks because my kiddos only give me a few uninterrupted minutes at a time!). I will be listening to this again and taking notes. You've given me lots of great sound advice and ideas. Thank you both!
Good luck, I'm sure you'll make the right decision. Anything is better than going to public school. Remember to make it fun for yourself, and not a chore or burden. 🎉
Exactly
All the best! God be with you and reward the fruit of your labour. Please consider Montessori if you haven’t.
My children understand it may be a democracy we live in but as long as I pay the bills they live in a benevolent dictatorship! Six children, three under 16,.. the other three all productive members of society. So far, so good.
The problem with that attitude is that rich people then think because they have money they can do whatever they want and you get men like Jimmy Saville doing all sorts of weird shit
@@dragonfitter wow,.. talk about drawing a long bow. What part of ‘benevolent’ did you miss?
As a Peterson fan I really enjoyed KB telling him off. He will absorb this and think deeply about it. We should all strive learn from the two of them.
Two mature adults sharing ideas. Rare to see nowadays.
not many people can get at him effectively. but, he has blind spots. so, I share that.
@@michaelpurvis2247 As all humans do, no matter how intelligent they seem
It’s absolutely crazy because I am 74 and my primary school and my secondary grammar school taught children exactly 100%. The way she is saying and with experience of life that is the right way and we’ve gone completely off the rails since that.
I'm 62 and was taught the same way. I did well in school, great in college and was very successful in my career. I wasn't taught what to think. I was taught factual concepts that I was expected to apply to problems in order to solve the problems. We were encouraged to read about subjects we were inerested in and if the experts had differing opinions, we were encouraged to find facts and decide for ourselves. And many questions about why we had to do certain things were answered "because we as adults make the rules and you as the child obey authority". Worked fine. We didn't have a bunch of ADHD brats disrupting class, parents didn't argue with the teachers for special treatment of their children and children learned. I'll guarantee that graduates of my 1979 class knew more history, math, English and science than today's graduates. We also knew how to drive, cook, sew, type, balance our checkbooks and compare prices at the grocery store. Today, many college students have trouble naming three countries, don't even know what the civil war was about and cannot read an old fashioned clock. It's pathetic.
I used to work with Katherine, and be a teacher in the UK. I was taught BY Michaela years ago (the teacher who the school is named after). Katherine is the real deal and I commend the success of the school. The piece around standards and excellence, is a powerful one.
I also agree with her on teaching knowledge. Whilst I think her view of knowledge as mainly information is a limited one, she’s touching at something profound, without naming it. Namely, the disappearance of moral knowledge. Critical to helping children become adults is knowledge of what constitutes a good person, what it means to live well (not only knowledge of the world wars!). But we shy away from ideas about ‘good/bad’ in schools because we fear ‘moralising’.
The politicisation of education (and every other sector of our culture) is a sad affair. I wonder if time will judge Katherine favourably, I hope it does.
Good comment.
With all the homeschool styles out there I foresee, Michaela to be added to the mix. She may open the door for home education to be open in EU again where some it's illegal
Religious schools have always understood this. Michaela School has to tread a thin line here because of the danger of Islamism, as the recent court case showed. Half the children there are Muslims, but Islamists hold back girls' education and make schools unbearable for non-Muslims.
I think you’re touching on the philosophy that schools are there to develop virtue and that accumulation of knowledge will necessarily happen as a byproduct.
Whereas simple input of knowledge does not result in a virtuous individual.
(For those who will say you can’t teach virtue, you don’t know the meaning of the word).
Yes for those saying you can’t teach virtue, they likely grew up ideologically with subjective-relativism with almost everything being in “the Gray area” of personal taste, preference, flavour, feeling etc.
This is where cultural-relativism pushed one away from seeking superior ideals and towards completely unteathered freedom, which acts like every opinion, idea, or thought is equally valid, when nothing is further from the truth in the real world,
especially related to Virtue and morality.
I am a teacher in Texas and have always taught in inner city schools. I love what I do, but I hate what our school system has become. We have administrators and higher ups that are cowardly and unwilling to say what Katharine expressed so well. I would love to work for someone like her!
WOW! I was astonished by this woman’s character and principles. We need more people like her.
"It means you love the children enough to keep the standards high for them." touché
What a smart woman! Also what surprising times we live in now that traditional schooling is considered somehow controversial!
Ms. Birbalsingh's passion and dedication to foster what is righteous and good in humanity is deeply inspiring.
Great interview Dr. Peterson. Thank you!
This woman could literally save the world. Praise God for her.
Which God ? So many to chose from
@@anthonycraddock6739there is no God but Allah.
@@SadiaKausar-xz8by And here is where the problem is.
My school was strict, especially my deputy head Mrs Jones. We disliked her so much we ignorantly likened her to Hitler, but she taught us so much too not just in the curriculum either. We were so so fortunate. A year after she, like others, were forced to retire at 60, the school had declined, in education, in standards and in stability. She made me the woman I am, my children and others have benefitted from her wisdom and strict knowledge of correct behaviour. I thank God for that woman, and her example, in my life. 🙏 This school reminds me of mine.
As a lifelong educator, I hope that you have sought her out to thank her. Being a strict teacher - when combined with a loving heart and high standards - is by far the most effective method of education, but you are fighting the establishment and parents endlessly. It is exhausting, but hearing a graduate say, "I didn't appreciate you then but I do now - THANK YOU!" is balm to a teachers soul and helps keep them going.
@@WhizzingFish12 Balm to the heart 😊
I hope you had the chance to thank her.
Seek her out and thank her is she's still around
@@WhizzingFish12 shouldn't have to keep thanking ppl for doing their job.. and kids should not have to thank anyone for having their basic rights and needs met!
She is an outstanding formidable and wonderful woman. May God Bless her abundantly in her beautiful mission to educate kids properly.
It's so encouraging that they accept all students into their school and still have great performance results - demonstrating just how much potential ALL children have to succeed!! 🙌
It has been clearly and indisputably demonstrated that 'dumb' children perform as 'geniuses ' when teachers treat them as if they are brilliant and provide challenges. They excel.
Oh she's wonderful. Imagine, teaching people it's okay to be proud of your nation instead of insisting you're a colonizer who should feel extreme guilt until you find a way to give everything away. Canadian here.
Fellow Canadian in agreement
Indigenous Canadian here, agreeing with you. My husband belongs to Canada as much as I do even though he has less melanin in his skin.
Fellow Canadian here 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🇨🇦🇨🇦
Yes I get it. It’s a lot so much of it so full of conquests, war, etc. We need to take most History out of our educational systems. If we teach being humane, being moral, to have forgiveness, to ask for forgiveness, to be part of the collaborative from family to the world and of course the Golden rule? History can be taught in college. The versions of history are so varied A more mature mind can discern accordingly. The lessons of history are more important than the details and can be taught without the contexts? ❤❤❤
You can have a history of colonialism AND be a part of the nation in a loving and healing way.
I love this woman!
My goodness what a fantastic human being, so glad her competence is helping so many.
Bravo
As a 30 year classroom veteran and mother, Katharine is my spirit animal. She is the leader I aspire to be and expresses her beliefs and psychology in the way that all of today's parents need to hear!
Get to know Jesus. He's the only way, truth and life.
She is just like the teachers I had in Yugoslavia. Awsome!!!
Im now 64 live in America for the last 42 years and still adore all my teachers. Unlike the ones I experienced in the USA for my son. At 2nd grade, I switched from public to Jesuit schools, and he is a stabile, smart physician now. Discipline, great curriculum, and history !!👍
Omg! I love this woman!
You should do regular talks with her. The world… the education world NEEDS this.
Holy cow we need her as education minister. Here in the UK She can fix our school's. 🎉👏👏👏
The sad fact is that most current politicians wouldn’t be prepared to take a successful education system if it came at the cost of any of their progressive ambitions
Bravo!!! If only I could be a kid again just to attend this school. Give this woman sole authoring rights to educational policy in the US.
Brown girl here 🙋♀️
Black and brown kids NEED this the most here in the UK !!! This school is a BLESSING. Change the culture of black & black mixed families & soon enough we will see a better breed of black ladies & gentlemen, like we used to !!!! ❤ In the past they were very respectable. Sadly we have to wait now
amen
white kids really, really, really need it too
And don't forget the white people. They have undergone a sad and unnecessary cultural decline too. It's all around, sadly.
Children of every color desperately need this
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why can't this be the norm? You're amazing! Thank you 🙏
Because it's hard, society doesn't care, pharmaceutical companies/government want us dumb and thinking we need them.
She is teaching and promoting community. Which to my mind is important it makes the people stronger together.
This woman is miles ahead, and we need to be following her.
Thanks so much to Dr Peterson and Katharine Birbalsingh for one of the best discussions that we have had on this TH-cam channel. It is uplifting to hear someone who is so enthusiastic about the education of children. The Michaela system of education really does need to be rolled out across more and more schools. Delighted to hear that the school won the court case too, that was important. I've been told that England v Denmark was like watching paint dry ! 👍
Amazing work ms. American schools NEED to use her methods. PROVEN success ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I can't remember the last time I watched a 1:30:04 hour video in a sitting. It was very hard to put off commenting until after I'd watched it in its entirety...
I absolutely love this remarkable woman! She is so animated and passionate about the education of children that it's easy to imagine her students adore her.
The discussion gets even more interesting at daily wire, simply remarkable!
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Katharine Birbalsingh should join forces. They should try to find a way to implement their methods and ideas globally; go to every government/country and change the school system. Everything starts at school. So if they would accomplish that a few years from now we would have something that would be the beginning to world peace.
Peterson Academy ..?
@@Happyheretic2308 already has a name.....joining with Peterson is a great idea....and free charter school everywhere. re-direct tax dollars where parents choose to send their children
Everything starts at HOME with parents! --- Then comes school, still exceptionally important.
@@pinetree5489Home gives you advantage, but think what we would be with both. Have you read our grandparents letters? The vocabulary that they had, the poetry. We have lost it.
Reminds me of Whole Brain Teaching by Chris Biffle especially with regards to interacting with peers in short brief sessions to practice what was just taught. I still use several strategies and love the rules from Whole Brain Teaching as several are concrete ex Raise your hand for permission to speak and we practice these rules every day for months and revisit throughout the year at least 2-3 times a week. When someone talks out of turn all I do is say Rule 2 and the rest of the class chimes in Raise your hand for permission to speak and that nips the talking in the bud most of the time. 😊
Bravo, Mdm. Birbalsingh. Singularly outstanding and forcefully impressive. Godspeed and thank you on behalf of our fading culture.
I’m from Alberta, Canada…the only province with Charter Schools. Sending our daughters to Charter School was the absolute best choice we ever made. It was the best education ever! Thank you JP for bringing attention to Charter Schools. Great interview!
Also from AB and though I don't have children, I know of those who have chosen charter schools for their kids, or who teach it administer these schools. 👍🏻
I am sure many Charter Schools are good. Some though are not, so like anything - just depends.
May I ask which charter school?
@@NoahXWang Sure, they went to Calgary Science School…now Connect Charter. It’s an inquiry based learning school.
@@gypsysoul4994 thanks, i will go to sait this fall, so now i'm looking for a school for my soon-to-be 5 yo son. any chance you could recommend a couple of school? hopefully, like michaela school
I had a Spanish class and the teacher said day 1, this class is hard. You will have a lot of work, and the tests will be thorough, and while normally that's a red flag, she was an incredible teacher. We did tons of work but it was talking in groups, playing games, coming up with skits, just tons of engaging work using what we were learning. Unfortunately thats when covid started up and everything went online, but she (and a few others I've had) was a shining example of a strict and tough class, that really helped you learn.
I'm only halfway through the interview and I had to Google her and subscribe to her socials.
I've been a teaching artist for the last 15 years mostly in the inner city of Philadelphia. What she said about white people coming into the inner city and trying to dictate how we teach our kids is a very real thing. It's probably the first time I've ever audibly screamed "yes" while listening to a podcast. SHE GETS IT!
Thank you Jordan for sharing this wonderful human being. Inner city education is a labor of love and incredibly difficult. It's not easy to find mentors and people to look up to in this field that are actually doing the work that I think would be effective to the inner city kids that I teach. Thank you thank you thank you!!
I respect you, SO MUCH, Katherine Birbalsingh!!! Thank you for understanding what CHILDREN NEED!!! Children are not just short adults!!! I love children. And they need what you say!! I agree with you. ❤️🤗
As a retired teacher I completely agree with Katherine. Children leave school with little or no knowledge and therefore do not have the building blocks to enable them to think, argue and persuade when they are young adults.
The last 30 mins is incredible to me and just hit my heart. What a privilege to have this type of conversation FREE! Where else in my life right now would I have it otherwise! Wonderful and inspiring ❤
Her passion for good education and sincere desire for children to succeed and live well - this stands out above all. Fantastic conversation.
What an amazing woman. She is the answer to the current mess our educational system and society is in.
As JP remarked, she is a force of nature. An absolute gift!
This lady has hit the nail on the head, it’s just sad we don’t know how to change the school system, so we are homeschooling instead. I wish she would train up more children with her philosophy and spread it wider.
Its quite remarkable. I was the beneficiary of a very similar eduction to the one that Ms. Birbalsingh is providing for her students. Like her, I also grew up in Toronto. I attended a Catholic boys school operating by the Christian Brothers in the 1970s. If I were a betting man, I would wager she attended a similar girls school run buy the nuns. The focus was definitely on knowledge acquisition and the development of moral character. By the end of Prep school (grade eight), we had mastered English and Latin grammer, and memorized vast tracks of English poetry, world geography and recent history. In order to collect extra cash for ice cream in the summers, my older brother used to make bets with kids in our neighbourhood, that he could tell them the capitol of any country in the world they could name; he never lost a bet! Like so many things missing in today's world, the miracle that Ms. Birbalsingh is reviving was standard practice less than 50 years ago. Our entire boomer generation benefited from it and then tossed it in the trash. How stupid can people actually be, eh!
It sounds like you recieved a "Classical Education". I envy you because apart from my years in the recently desegregated 1970's Virginia education system, recieving an education from dedicated teachers with degrees in their fields, I think public education has failed most Americans.
I went to a Christian Brothers school in Detroit area for one year - I hated. Couldn't get away fast enough. At my new non-Catholic school, I thrived, and was a straight-A student. Went on to maybe the best University in America. I always wanted to go back to the catholic one, and ask : How many of your students went on to Harvard? If they said, NONE, I would say: ONE, the one you chased away.
@@friarnewborg9213 Good for you and congratulations on your success.
@@friarnewborg9213Harvard? That's what you're proud of? 😂
Ha ha before I even reached the point where you mentioned the Christian Brothers, I thought "I bet you he went to a Christian Brothers School". Here in Northern Ireland, our Christian Brothers schools ( which my brothers both attended) and the convent schools ( which I and my sisters attended) were known to be strict but we got great results and had very happy school days.
She stands up to bullshit. Good to hear and see her wisdom at work. She has a spine. What a formidable woman ❤🎉👍🏻
Most people dont have the kind of courage she has in the school system. Most want to get their career for a bloody pension.
Please get this woman into the mainstream in education - im a secondary student in the UK and shes spot on with everything
Kids need structure, period. Loved this interview.
Jordan Peterson and Katharine Birbalsingh - please make an international online school that covers from the beginning of primary school to the end of university, and make it globally available for people so we can study your courses online from home! Include a course for parents and home educators so they can make their learning environments at home similar to your classrooms at Michaela Community School if that sort of discipline is what's needed for success. You are both incredibly inspiring! Thank you for being a voice for all of us!
Awesome freaking idea.
If the UK government wants to make real change! make this women head of education.
She’s absolutely incredible! I totally agree! ~ only not digging the vegetarian food drill
@@adelebayly9701Makes sense though doesn't it . Eliminate s all sorts of cultural clashes.
Take her ideas but let her be do not burden her with dealing with the mess
I went to my daughter's parent teacher interview and to my surprise the student was invited and was to lead the meeting , I was shocked and I wish I had the means to move her to a private school. Public schools are killing this generation of teens😢 I wish it was headmistress like her here in Australia
If children are coached, that’s great.
I just simply love seeing two grown adults having a conversation period. What we are missing in our current iPhone society is simple communication skills. I received a lot of fresh knowledge myself by watching two adults communicate well.
My prayer is that we would ALL reclaim the basic communication abilities required to not promote anger and frustration but humility and patience. Thank you both for having this conversation and sharing it with the public.
I'll stand in agreement with this. Amen! ❤
Communication requires the ability to think. Something most have zero interest in.
Look how impressed and happy we are to find common sense being applied. Thank you Lord for this Woman and her staff. Please Lord bless the work of their hands and protect their school.
I first found KB while in a Masters of Arts in Teaching program because I 100% independently came to conclusion that what I was being guided to think was absurd and lacked focus and clarity. She was my entry point into a whole world of heterodox thinking that led me also to Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Peterson, Haidt, etc. She’s 100% correct: give K-12 students age appropriate facts about the subjects they are learning, and depending on age, help guide them, by using structure and discipline, to develop social skills such as public speaking and respect for those around them.
Speaking of a great education, Dr. Peterson, you were saying that Peterson Academy is launching this week? I absolutely cannot wait. I had to choose between grad school at UMaine (woke as a joke) and Peterson Academy and, well, that’s not a difficult choice. I won’t have the time and attention to begin until this fall, when my kids go back to school, so I’m thinking of it as beginning the fall semester after a gap year (I earned my BA last year). My years at the University of Maine were very rich and very happy ones. I emerged a stronger Christian and a stronger conservative as a result of testing my beliefs and finding them good. But it wasn’t the education I dreamed of as a child. Peterson Academy is.
My review of my evening at your lecture is done, I’m just waiting for a publication date from my editor. I hope you will like it.
Feel the need to leave you a hug and warm wishes for a successful conclusion to the South America leg of the tour and traveling mercies as you travel home.
With so much love from Ruth Anne
Good luck to ya 👍
Best wishes! Do eat the competition and do your best for you and your family.
This is what schools in the U.S. need!! It makes so much sense.
My mom taught in an inner city predominantly black that were very behind grade level and not only did my mom get them on grade level but had the highest test scores! Unfortunately there was a lot of jealousy towards my mom because it was her first or second year teacher and lots of discrimination against her because she wasn’t black or Mexican. She doesn’t teach anymore at schools but helps my kids and our neighbor friend
Thank you, Jordan, for this incredible interview and Katharine, for your enlightening insights and experience; the future IS children and it should always start with meaningful learning. Here in my home state in the US, the homeschooling community has been exploding in popularity due to a decreasing quality of public education. The latter of which is a growing issue in America all-around. It brings me joy to find children are being given purposeful, forward-thinking tuition in England, which I generally assumed to be too modern 'progressive' to offer such a thing. Despite the obstacles, the fight for our children and our future is a fight that cannot be lost. God bless you, both.
I wish I lived closer. I would love to volunteer there...What a wonderful lady. She is changing the world, one child at a time. Sooner or later the higher ups are going to sit up and take notice.🤞🏼
She's the best kinda force...get out of her way!!! She's a champion of children!! I believe there's a lot of "her" in America. I pray this becomes "contagious"!
I left teaching 16 years ago after being in the profession for 14 years. I wish I'd worked for this woman. I'd probably still be doing it.
you sound nice, get back in to it
This is the kind of engagement known in authentic Jewish learning by the greatest rabbis and teachers for centuries. May the Michaela School, run by Miss Katherine, with the kind of education, protection and nurturing of our children she embues, spread far and wide, and soon be the kind of education known and beloved to children and societies everywhere.
I’d pay to sit in one of her classrooms to see how they teach. Amazing.
Love her! As an educator here in the US, I wish I could work for her!!! She is 100% correct that strict discipline & structure are needed - not all of this SEL garbage!
SEL? Sorry, not from the USA..
@@emmkay16 social emotional learning. It’s a nonsense curriculum being pushed in our schools that supposedly will fix all of their issues - rather than discipline & structure.
@@emmkay16 Social Emotional Learning
I love this woman’s genuine passion for children and education.
this woman - Katharine Birbalsingh - is my idol. she is correct - facts first! give the children knowledge and not too many choices. because they are children - they don’t need freedom, they need security and truth, they need guidance and adults who understand that they are children. so much wisdom from this conversation and i thank mr peterson for giving ms. birbalsingh this platform. i hope to get to visit this school and more importantly, i
hope more schools and governments adopt this method.
This woman is amazing let’s have 1,000 principles in the US like her, she should train America. So our schools can be great again
Your school must have suffered poor leadership. You can’t spell or use autocorrect. Principals.
That's a pretty common mistake. Let's work hard so it becomes rare!
She reminds me of super nanny.
Now and again, you come across a human that makes a difference. If the teaching profession had more people like her, the future of our young people would be in safe hands.
Love it so much. I work in a private middle school. I'm so sick of group project based learning. It's an excuse for kids to goof off. I'll be 60 this year, I'm old school-- old school worked. I'm also done with emerging, developing, proficient, extending, proficiency scale as the grading system. Kids have no idea where they are at and have stopped caring.
Agreed 👍👍
I absolutely hated group projects in school. Absolute waste of time. We learned how to work as a team by playing sports.
@@citytrees1752 isn't that the truth
@@citytrees1752I loved extracurricular group projects - class projects, not so much.
I’m a kindergarten teacher and I would love to visit this school. I want so much to do the best for my little ones. I just think is so important to get this right.
She has a highschool
Near that school there is a park where Pakistani hang out, 1am and guess who joins them men, just strange how this happens in plain sight in the community
This lady is resonating with me. I have been teaching EFL for 16 years. In my time overseas I have also spent years studying Mandarin. I have learned that if you want to be able to express yourself well in another language, you need to be able to get to a level to where you can read it, and then you just need to read and read and read some more. It wasn't project based learning or inquiry learning that got me to fluency. However, I am not trying to knock those approaches. But through my years of teaching and studying myself, I realized that repeated reading (i.e., reading the same thing many times) is what cements it in our minds. Our schools in the USA should start teaching Shakespeare as soon as kids can read. Obviously they are not going to understand it while that young, but they will learn the pronunciations, the rhythms, and develop a sense of the language. Now imagine if through their education career of grades 1-12, every year they are reading and doing repeated reading of Shakespeare's works, by the time they are in grade 11 or 12, so many of the kids would be able to speak and think and write and express themselves at an incredibly high level. Then they would be free to explore the vastness of English literature with extreme confidence.
I was briefly a teacher. Katherine keeps saying over and over that children need knowledge. Amen. Here is another way to put it. I use the word "facts" in place of knowledge. The ethos in American education is that facts are too hard. Why learn facts when you can just look them up? Or so the argument goes. The answer is that facts are to ideas what words are to sentences and sentences to paragraphs. You can't write without knowing words and you can't think without knowing facts, or knowledge. Jordan and Katherine, "We the people." can't thank you enough.
That was a very thought-provoking comparison. Thank you
You articulated it in a way I understand. Facts.