If the Mazda is what they want go for it but car is just a total miss for me. Horrible range, slow, small back seat, not super premium. Also so few were sold and Mazda doesn’t make EVs so what is service gonna be like? Other cars to consider IMO Small fun to drive cars from higher end brands…I3 or Mini Cooper. $10,000 or under commuters…E-Golf, Leaf, Soul EV, 500e, original Ioniq. Proper used 250 mile EVs at $20,000…Kona, Niro, Bolt, Model 3 or ID4.
Fair point about range of Mazda being enough for their commute. But, they are coming from Bolt EUV 220-250 mile range so going backwards to 80-100 miles would give me some range anxiety. Especially if work requires any travel, they have things to do after work or solo regional road trips while spouse has other car. The Mazda would need a top off charge every night as well as charging the PHEV completely nightly.
MX30 is ample for this use case. The Mini SE has similar range, yet we take that vehicle all over. "Range Anxiety" is usually self induced, and in this particular case the Bolt owners know what they need, or in other words, they know the Bolt is complete overkill for what they use it for.
@@M-rk8he Service is completely normal since its built upon the CX-30. Even out here in Florida where there is only 2 in the entire region, none of the dealers have any objection to mine. It's pretty premium too not sure what you mean by that.
Maybe I’m naive but never saw Mazda as a premium brand. Not cheap brand either just not premium. Correct me if I’m wrong but car does have quite a few luxury things. HUD, heated seats, well thought out materials, Bose sound system and panoramic glass roof. Some premiums I don’t think car has. Big center screen, wireless CarPlay/android auto, cooled seats, massaging seats, lane centering. I’m glad you’re having a good experience. But god forbid there is problem with the battery, on board charger or EV specific issues are you confident Mazda has parts and technicians to fix it? They are an established brand so I’m sure they will stand by product but potential wait times could give me pause. The disappointing EV specs and overly negative TH-cam reviews steer me in another direction. But I am no expert.
My hangup with the MX-30, even though I think it's cool and interesting, is the fact they said they were going to keep it for a long time.... With Mazda having only sold like ~650 units in the US before killing it, what's the parts and service situation going to be like even just a couple of years from now? The Leaf battery degradation doesn't seem to be nearly as bad of an issue as the early cars, and they're pretty robust in other aspects... Combine that with the large community and aftermarket for them, and the fact that most Nissan dealers should have *some* experience with them or at least have the diag tools... I think it's a good option
Shocking similarity but I've done exactly this with an 6600 mile MX-30 (premium plus) in Florida as a 2nd car for strictly 40mile 90/10% highway commutes @ 16.9k (+ shipping 1.8k). It's perfect. Feature for feature matches a fully loaded Mazda 60k+ CX-90. ALSO 2022 models are used EV credit eligible as you mention (will apply my credit next year functionally making it 12.9k+1.8k shipping). Averaging 3.4kW/mile (significantly more than reviewers estimates). Warranty is still good to go and zero degradation to battery (since it has a large upper buffer). Remote app on phone works great for remotely controlling A/C in cabin for your hot state. Every day commute comes home with 60% battery, recharges overnight in 8hr with the provided 120v16a charger (garage covered 5-20 NEMA) so zero extra installation fees. If Joshua has a similar use case to me, do it my man...
Further want to mention that I see some 70 MX-30s for sale nationwide with 50/50 split of 2022 tax credit eligible vs 2023 numbers. Don't use the shippable filter as you can always have cars shipped manually as with I did.
For that 3rd case I like the 2020 or newer Ioniq EV. Tom got 171 miles out of it in his range test. For under $16,000(before tax credit) you’ll get 1 of the most efficient cars ever made, the balance of Hyundais 10 year 100,000 mile battery warranty and nationwide dealers to service the car from an automaker serious about EVs. Anyone have theory on why the Hyundai/Kia gas car EV conversions are/were so efficient? No doubt EGMP cars are superior in almost every way except efficiency.
"Am I Crazy For Considering A Used Mazda" ... Yes. Mazdas are garbage. But better than his total garbage BMW. Have these people never (even accidentally) Googled the word "reliability"? Maddening.
No Model Y for the first guy with 3rd row? I1 Tesla youtuber did a light offroad upgrade with slight lift, offroad tires. It was pretty badass and way cheaper than any of the other cars. Plus 0.99% Interest.
@@BatteriesIncludedPodcastThey were also coming from a Honda CRV. The may just not be aware that model Y come optional with a third row. It seems remiss to not mention the best selling EV and car in the world even if with the caveat that it may be on the smaller end of the recommendations.
People keep bringing up range for the third guy when he clearly doesn't care about range. MX-30 is a nicer car than the others in the price point.
If the Mazda is what they want go for it but car is just a total miss for me. Horrible range, slow, small back seat, not super premium. Also so few were sold and Mazda doesn’t make EVs so what is service gonna be like?
Other cars to consider IMO
Small fun to drive cars from higher end brands…I3 or Mini Cooper.
$10,000 or under commuters…E-Golf, Leaf, Soul EV, 500e, original Ioniq.
Proper used 250 mile EVs at $20,000…Kona, Niro, Bolt, Model 3 or ID4.
Fair point about range of Mazda being enough for their commute. But, they are coming from Bolt EUV 220-250 mile range so going backwards to 80-100 miles would give me some range anxiety. Especially if work requires any travel, they have things to do after work or solo regional road trips while spouse has other car.
The Mazda would need a top off charge every night as well as charging the PHEV completely nightly.
MX30 is ample for this use case. The Mini SE has similar range, yet we take that vehicle all over. "Range Anxiety" is usually self induced, and in this particular case the Bolt owners know what they need, or in other words, they know the Bolt is complete overkill for what they use it for.
@@M-rk8he Service is completely normal since its built upon the CX-30. Even out here in Florida where there is only 2 in the entire region, none of the dealers have any objection to mine. It's pretty premium too not sure what you mean by that.
Maybe I’m naive but never saw Mazda as a premium brand. Not cheap brand either just not premium.
Correct me if I’m wrong but car does have quite a few luxury things. HUD, heated seats, well thought out materials, Bose sound system and panoramic glass roof. Some premiums I don’t think car has. Big center screen, wireless CarPlay/android auto, cooled seats, massaging seats, lane centering.
I’m glad you’re having a good experience. But god forbid there is problem with the battery, on board charger or EV specific issues are you confident Mazda has parts and technicians to fix it? They are an established brand so I’m sure they will stand by product but potential wait times could give me pause.
The disappointing EV specs and overly negative TH-cam reviews steer me in another direction. But I am no expert.
My hangup with the MX-30, even though I think it's cool and interesting, is the fact they said they were going to keep it for a long time.... With Mazda having only sold like ~650 units in the US before killing it, what's the parts and service situation going to be like even just a couple of years from now?
The Leaf battery degradation doesn't seem to be nearly as bad of an issue as the early cars, and they're pretty robust in other aspects... Combine that with the large community and aftermarket for them, and the fact that most Nissan dealers should have *some* experience with them or at least have the diag tools... I think it's a good option
Shocking similarity but I've done exactly this with an 6600 mile MX-30 (premium plus) in Florida as a 2nd car for strictly 40mile 90/10% highway commutes @ 16.9k (+ shipping 1.8k). It's perfect. Feature for feature matches a fully loaded Mazda 60k+ CX-90. ALSO 2022 models are used EV credit eligible as you mention (will apply my credit next year functionally making it 12.9k+1.8k shipping). Averaging 3.4kW/mile (significantly more than reviewers estimates). Warranty is still good to go and zero degradation to battery (since it has a large upper buffer). Remote app on phone works great for remotely controlling A/C in cabin for your hot state. Every day commute comes home with 60% battery, recharges overnight in 8hr with the provided 120v16a charger (garage covered 5-20 NEMA) so zero extra installation fees. If Joshua has a similar use case to me, do it my man...
Further want to mention that I see some 70 MX-30s for sale nationwide with 50/50 split of 2022 tax credit eligible vs 2023 numbers. Don't use the shippable filter as you can always have cars shipped manually as with I did.
Where would you find parts for an Mx-30 in 5 years ?
Chevy equinox boot is even smaller than new kona, not a good match for first guy
EQS and save some money 😂
I guess 1/2 brings it slightly more down to earth…
For that 3rd case I like the 2020 or newer Ioniq EV. Tom got 171 miles out of it in his range test. For under $16,000(before tax credit) you’ll get 1 of the most efficient cars ever made, the balance of Hyundais 10 year 100,000 mile battery warranty and nationwide dealers to service the car from an automaker serious about EVs.
Anyone have theory on why the Hyundai/Kia gas car EV conversions are/were so efficient? No doubt EGMP cars are superior in almost every way except efficiency.
"Am I Crazy For Considering A Used Mazda" ... Yes. Mazdas are garbage. But better than his total garbage BMW. Have these people never (even accidentally) Googled the word "reliability"? Maddening.
No Model Y for the first guy with 3rd row? I1 Tesla youtuber did a light offroad upgrade with slight lift, offroad tires. It was pretty badass and way cheaper than any of the other cars. Plus 0.99% Interest.
The third row for Model Y is just so small, it's hard to recommend. The other vehicles they were looking at were substantially larger.
@@BatteriesIncludedPodcastThey were also coming from a Honda CRV. The may just not be aware that model Y come optional with a third row.
It seems remiss to not mention the best selling EV and car in the world even if with the caveat that it may be on the smaller end of the recommendations.
Yes, you would be crazy considering that! For that money you can get a used kona or a bolt in the US
They want to trade in their 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV because they find the seats uncomfortable. A Kona EV might be worth their time checking out for sure.
Is Martyn doing his podcast still? I haven’t heard any new shows for weeks. Missing the news.
Only audio recently, nothing on YT
@@ReddeadregenThank you for comment/answering.
(I had been wondering if audio only.)
The MX 30 is a lovely car but a sick price when new. So 16k for a used on is a much better proposition.
If it's an EV, any used one is a bad idea. You never know how it was driven and the risk of a battery fire is too great.