It is shocking how much hate max gets for being an aggressive and entertaining racer… the British bias reinforced by the media and broadcasters is absolutely ridiculous and this narrative will be poison in silverstone. I’ve seen so many drivers make on the edge moves and the reaction is so different, Fernando Alonso is a prime example and there are very recent situations you could refer back to. Max is a generational talent and he fights hard, that’s why every wheel to wheel battle he’s involved in is so exciting. He has been near perfect since the beginning of 2021 (regardless of your views of how that season ended he won more races than Lewis that season and Lewis had 6 years of momentum under his belt) and we have all been crying out for another titanic battle to replicate 2021, at the first sight of a championship battle the world is in outrage and we turn straight to hate. Do we want to be entertained or not guys! Should max just pull over next time and let him past?!
I agree. If you look at Piastri's onboard on the lap that Lando and Max collided, he was into a battle with Sainz. Piastri dove to inside of Sainz for turn 3, but left him space on the outside on the exit. Sainz was ahead on the drive towards turn 4 and did a couple of moves to block Piastri there that were worse than what Max did, but I don't hear anyone about that. Piastri himself also didn't even complain, but just focused on his line into turn 4 and got ahead through 5 and 6. No whining, no complaining and no controversy.. just racing. There's so many examples of situations like that all the way up and down the grid every race, but people and especially the media are just hyper-focusing on that one thing they can create a drama bandwagon about for everyone to jump on so they can sell their content.
I'm with you. But especially on social media, hate is immediately sown and often on faulty grounds! There is already enough hate in the world. Act normal and treat each other the way you want to be treated. And you don't have to agree with each other, but respect each other. Unfortunately, many have to look up the meanings of the word respect :(
Say it louder for people at the back Peter! People want hard racing and then cry like babies when it happens. Max was just doing his job, Lando could've moved to the left but was equally as stubborn. Racing incident end of story.
Even if this was deemed as Verstappen's fault, just accept that he was given a penalty according to the rule book and move on. Lando might have been in the right, but in the end it just cost him his own race. He himself was in the position to not let it happen. Some people just want so much drama, such as calling for a race ban for Max. That's just hilarious 😅
Except Peter got the facts wrong starting 5s into this video. Lando didn’t hit Max’s LR with his RF, it was LR to RR. AKA Lando was fully alongside when the contact happened. Since one driver wasn’t steering (relative to the track AND steering input on the car) and the other was… Super easy to see who was at fault. Never mind that Max continued to watch his mirror and move his car to block for the rest of this corner, the following straight, and the next corner.
I bet you did not think Max should have moved left at Silverstone 2021 A lot of people sway one way then the other in favour of their favourite driver. No honest objectivety in the F1 comments sections
Mr Windsor need to check the rules book from time to time:)). The master of commentary looks not to be aware of the simple fact that when a driver breaks (with the steering wheel straight) all the weight goes on the front tires and any move of the steering wheel will lead to locking a tire. I see only subjective opinions from a person who I was expecting to be objective.
Speaks truth… Except for literally his first comment on the entire incident. Lando’s RR and Max’s LR touched. Not FR into LR. Windsor needs to rewatch the video.
Thank you Cameron F1, yes Max was being a racing driver, and many people didn't realize that it was exactly what we want to see (not the accident, but the racing). Both tried some things that were on the edge, but that is pure racing
as much as i agree, max being a racing driver is great but when he shows 2016 max with some choice illegal moves which are there for the safety of the drivers he cant complain when he gets the reprocussion for breaking those rules. max was the reason the moving under breaking rule was introduced. the instance that comes to mind is 2016 kimi vs max in belgium. please have a look and youll see the similarities with how he raced then and how he raced against lando in austria. hes taken a step back and races like hes 17 again. for split second you can see that he will do anything for the in and the mentality of "if i cant win neither can you" is ridiculous and dangerous
@@LouF1-2 all due respect to your opinion Sophie, Lando has the faster car this season, had fresher tyres and DRS and still couldn't find a way passed Max. If Lewis would have been in that position he would have found a way, but Lewis and Max are equal in value, sadly Lando is not on par with them. All he could say was why Max didn't let him pass on the basis of them being friends. "You want it? I'm not giving you the position! You have to come and take it if you're a racer!" Simple as that
@dariussatius1621 yes I agree and lando had not had the experience of driving in the front of the field to attack in a more suitable way and I apreciate your opinion however I believe that maxs defence was to claim the inside line, then move toward the outside under breaking, and as a second defensive move, I'm not too sure how lando would have gotten arround that when he dosnt have the space. I understand your point that max can't just let him through and I agree, but their are rules in place for the safety of the drivers and max has shown that he is skilled enough to defend without breaking those rules so I can understand landos frustrations
The British bias is going nuts over this. He's been driving flawlessly for 2,5 seasons, had great fights with 0 contact with LeClerc in '22. Had to come through the entire field on multiple occasions. Now he makes one small single mistake (if it even was a mistake, it was perfect positioning imo) and the British go wild. just proves how much Verstappen is in their heads.
@@philparker1278 So what was dirty about it? If you look at the onboard of Verstappen, he didn't move to the left. If at all he slightly steered to the right when Norris hit him. Also, as Peter basically said in the Video, there was a time in F1 when blocking and and similar defensive manouvers were the norm, and i can tell you, it was a whole lot more entertaining than what we have now where the large majority of the drivers simply trust on DRS to do the job for them. Yes DRS creates a whole lot more overtakes. But 90% of the time there's no skill involved anymore. Just press a button and you will pass. Often enough they have already passed the opponent even before the next braking zone starts. What is entertaining about this?
Lando was throwing his car inside and outside recklessly and desperately. If you stick your car on the outside, you do so at your own peril, people are so used to accommodating failure and celebrating mediocrity that when a ruthless winner comes along like Max, they find him too aggressive or abrasive. Ironically, Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain was considered hard, fair racing...
I disagree that any of Lando attempts were reckless - he only overcooked the braking once & went off. If you don’t go for the gap, you’re not racing. I much prefer when the drivers are trying to overtake than just sitting behind each other.
@@arcenistpyro2220 yet the pass that should of stuck max ran off and stayed ahead then cried on the radio with horner. when lando did it he cried on the radio with horner about getting the place back. so which is it? max is allowed to be free of all faults and whatever he wants to do is fine for him but nobody else? Max just showd again when hes challenged hes not a great driver. only great at driving with huge leads. when he has to fight he crumbles under pressure and crashes into his opponent. always has
Lando " If he doesn't apologize I won't be his friend anymore ☹️" Max " I come here to win not to finish 2nd" Can you guess who's a 3x world champion and who's a 1 time gp winner ? The mentality between the two couldn't be so further apart , I really think Norris is a talented driver but he has no edge he's had the faster car in about 3/4 races and still is struggling to win .I honesty can't believe Cameron' calls Norris a God tier driver , God tier ?! and labels Leclerc as the 2nd coming of Jean Alesi but Norris is british so ofc you'll gravitate towards him even subconsciously 🤷♂️ put Leclerc in that Mclaren and he'd be winning and consistently challenging Max no doubt it , Why ? Cause he's PROVED it Bahrain 22 , Austria 22 , Silverstone 19 , Saudi 22
BS! Its possible to win WDC without shunting people off track. 22' there were duels between V and LeClerc with respectful driving. And it was known as a 'gentlemans' sport. His penalty was created just for Vercrashens style of driving after 21'. Rules should be applied fairly. Clearly max moved left before right to run him wide before the corner. DRS has nothing to do with it as only an idiot will open his DRS before such a tight corrner so speed differential in breaking for a corner is nonsense. How much more evidence do we need that V is temperamental, so many examples in his career, and even if you watch his karting. Anybody who says you cannot overtake on the outside of an apex is being biased. Watch Anthony Davidsons frame by frame analysis, its clear as day!
My main complaint is the delay between Landos obligational time penalty. And the decision of the stewards. Black flag is decided quickly through sensors. But penalty for additional tracklimit is delayed. With Max and Lando knowing there was already a time penalty. It would likely not have resulted in this fight.
Long before the actual penalty, Lando had been warned that the next time he exceeded track limits he would be penalized......... so the moment he exceeded the track limits, he knew he had a penalty. In fact, we think that even Max knew Lando had a track limit penalty long before Lando dive bombed into Max.
Landos Racecraft needs to improve. The FIA is joke, and the fact that Max was given a 2 point penalty against His license for this incident is the most ridiculous of all. F1 is a rolling Circus Clown.
That's how you retail viewers. It's there job to tell the viewers what they want. They have investors holding there corporate debt. And need air time for there ads. Just like blaming Verstappen to do his job as a racing driver on the wrong tire after a 6 seconds pitstop.
If you in for a laugh read all the negative comments on bbc news site and look at all the downvotes when max qualifies on pole or wins a race. Brits in general are in general not fans of f1 is my opinion
@@RogerKeulen exactly so we are admitting that there is a bias? Glad we cleared that up.. also glad we cleared up the fact the british public are a bunch of mouthbreathing pitch fork waving loosers crying about racism and human rights.. while their wives spend all their money on items made in sweat shops
@@Jojo_Bee. I watched both the onboards and the analytics- this is not Max’ fault any more than it was Lando’s…a racing incident due the the very aggressive driving from both that the fans beg for.
I was waiting for this F1 Hour!!!! ...when I finally hear someone (Mr. Peter Windsor) saying out loud "Max did nothing wrong!" Cameron, thank you so much for this amazing conversation, once again! ...and this one was the BEST EVER F1 Hour!
Wait, Your complaining about Landon not being penalized for over driving to cause a accident, but justify Max doing the same. The hypocrisy is unbearable. Just ask the stewards to do their jobs !!!! And neither Max nor Lando will break the rules.
@@RodneyMorse-b2z No, I think the point was that few people were screaming about how dirty/aggressive of a driver Lando is when he just did the same thing to Max one race ago. They are racing drivers, they are going to defend right up to the edge, and sometimes a bit beyond.
@@DOSdaze Then stop the hypocrisy, and say BOTH Landon and Max should be penalized, don't criticize lando and justify Max. That's like saying thief is not a thief as long as enough people are stealing. Hypocrisy !!! Stand for right now matter what....
British bias is one of the worst parts of f1 and it goes into the very core of the f1 organization. Will Buxton was unhinged in the post race show on Formula One’s own program, sky sports incredibly biased. There’s a lot of British TH-cam commentators like Cameron who don’t know much about Formula One, but are incredibly biased as Cameron is showing now and pretty much in all of his videos. But when the big presenters on F1 official payroll and main media do It, it really harms the sport. Nobody takes commentators like Cameron seriously, but I’m really glad to see Peter give his fair opinion. I personally think it was mostly a racing incident when they collided with a fraction of the blame more to be placed on Max. This is a very minor collision and misjudgment by Max. This was not dirty driving and this is not like when Lewis put Max into the wall at Silverstone, 2021. That was serious dangerous driving by Lewis. There was no uproar on main f1 media about Lewis being dirty when he did that. British bias is a joke and makes it harder to take f1 more seriously.
Absolutely. McLaren can't learn Norris patience because they haven't won anything in a century. Instead they throw gas on the fire by crying alongside him with their litlle behind. Hallelujah for the 11 year old cheerleading squad 🤣 another driver of the day is on the way!!
It's probably the other way around, Lando is the one who acting like little frustrated schoolboy and can't keep his frustration and jealousy to him self.. Over a couple of years, after Lando's is tired of eating Max his dust, and after he got completely demolished and demotivated, he will retire.. And Palmer was just a driving chicane during his F1 career and now he thinks he can criticis Max, but infact Max was already driving circles around Palmer when he entered F1 at the age of just 17 in 2015.. And the rest of those pathetic baised British media, Max can't take those weazels really serious anymore.. Max isn't going anywere, only if he and him alone thinks he have enough of these deluded hypocrites he will retire and enjoying other racing categories..
The British media is so biased because darling Lando punctured his car and drove into max. Who was defending himself to the limit. And I was chocked by the post race so hysterical like a witch hunting! Luckily we here heard a nuanced conversation. Opposite the post race especially Parmer.
Insane overreaction from fans/media about yesterday - if had happened further down the field there would barely be mention of it. It seems like a lot of people have been waiting for something like this to happen just to have a pop at max. Well done Cameron for another great video, always great to listen to the calm perspective of Peter.
Nail on the head Peter. I’ve banging on about DRS for years now. It has ruined racing. Max haters just want to hate Max. We get it, you are British and have this weird toxic culture of hate and war and all that, but objectively, the problem is DRS. It’s rubbish.
The problem is that F1 cars are so reliant on aerodynamics and clean air, you need something to compensate for the time lost in corners which is not recovered by a tow. Otherwise you can't ever overtake unless your car is ridiculously much faster (like 2-3s+ a lap), just look at the pre-DRS era. Because no, outside of a single highlight per season, there was absolutely no racing past T1 back then, and F1 was almost purely an engineering sport.
@@jeffp2935 it requires the old regs pre-2017 before they rewidened the rear wings in the quest for speed, which substantially increased it’s effect, far overly so. Since then it’s just been a cheat button for the car behind, which results in what we have now. the fastest cars steaming to the front, unimpeded, unchallenged and quite frankly, unworthy of their win. Indycar’s push to pass has proven to be far superior in the racing it creates. This needs to be the biggest talking point in F1 at the moment and it just isn’t.
100% Lando's fault. He went into the turn way too fast. He wanted to cut of Max in the corner but turned way too quick to the right. It was never his goal to go from the outside in that corner. If you look at that incident again, he turned his wheels already towards the inside corner where Max was already. Norris was never even at front in that turn. Max can care less what the british media or their fans think of him.
Agree 100%. The British will and are going wild. It’s NEVER the Brit’s fault. Lewis’ crashes or aggressive driving was straight up ignored. Seb was despised and attacked and the h8t fanned far and wide by their pundits. Getting incredibly sick of them and their sensationalism
@@mamavswild I've always found this strange. If Max defends aggressively then it is a problem, and if Hamilton defends aggressively there is nothing to worry about. Norris wanted too much and drives around in frustration most of the time. That Max defended yes hehe.. If Norris had stayed calm and just done his thing, he would have overtaken Max 100%.
Absolute rubbish! Max was reverting to his cheating ways that he has had since his Karting days. Max is a great driver and does not need to do such things. He broke the rules... whether you like those rules or not...that is a fact! 😊😎🎸🇬🇧🇺🇦
As I’ve stated in another comment, Brit’s are not f1 fans they’re just to chauvinistic to appreciate and accept when non Brit’s beat them, it’s pathetic really
i keep watching the replay from both onboards, and ill be the first to say max is a aggressive racer, and thats fine, but i cant come to any other conclusion that Lando had far to much overspeed approaching the corner , there was no way he would of made a undercut, and basically drove into max, max did not move to the left, Lando drove into him, he knew he had to much speed and either assumed that max would turn in earlier or he simply miscalculated the space he had and was frustrated already, after all he was seriously ranting about max moving under breaking, whilst he actually was not! I would love to blame max for the incident, but i dont see how.. is it me or are people just biased?? im going crazy with the amount of BS that is being spewed in max's direction, one day they praise him like he is a god, the next they are basically trying to lynch him?? and im not talking about the fans, that they do it i can understand, but commentators on tv!? this is sick stuff! Even if im truly seeing it wrong and max is fully at fault, how can you demonize him in such a horrendous manner for a racing incident??
As much as I feel sorry for Damon Hill, if he was going to beat Schumacher on that last race he should have been ahead of him in qualifying, trying to overtake a guy like that for championship or bust for both has only one possible outcome.. British media and fans do not seem to remember the moment Hamilton deliberately blocking Rosberg for a chance to win the title
Max is a race monster he is born to win and to defend his place with everything he's got doenst matter what the cost is... Hamilton is traumatized by Max.
The main issue is not about moving under braking. According to the telemetry, he didn't actually move while braking. It's allowed to move left without braking, and he didn't receive a penalty for that either, he would if he did... What's more concerning is that Max should have let Lando pass. He exceeded track limits four times under a black and white flag, but the FIA reported this penalty too late and AFTER the race. If the FIA had addressed this earlier, Max could have won even if Lando passed.
or he should have let him pass and put enough pressure on him to cause a lockup in norris, there were 10 laps left, we have seen drivers crumble under pressure
Drivers and teams complaining about and ratting on other teams/drivers should be punished with a 5 sec penalty per offense. Zero tolerance. Because too often the stewards react to the complaining ... if they did their jobs properly, they shouldn't need any info from drivers/teams while the race is ongoing.
If I were ever fortunate enough to sit in a pub with Peter and Cameron, I will be the fellow buying the rounds. I will be remaining mute and learning something. Good stuff men.
The world is on fire. There are serious problems. But if you open social media, the racing incident and especially Max's share in it seems to be a major topic. Stop whining. Shit happens, deal with it and move on. Put your energy into solving serious problems. But if there is ever a World Cup for the biggest whiners, the British have a good chance of winning it. Interesting, well-considered and intelligent take on matters from Mr. Windsor!
I very much like your collaboration...I was never the greatest fan of Peter (a bit biased at times), although I have HUGE rexpect for the man he is a true F1 icon..but you two together are my new go to for serious F1 commentary and analysis. Keep it up, the channel keeps improving every week!
The dive booming, Max don't criticize the move he criticize the amount of times Lando use the move... I mean I think Lando just in this race did move divebombs them Max for example in the entire season of 2021 😂
I find it shocking to see this is being blown out of proportion by the British media. Sky F1 just released a video about Verstappen’s most dramatic collisions. How pathetic can you be. I have no respect for this kind of bullshit and will end my Sky subscription because of this. But I dislike Will Buxton as a human being and the hypocrite he is, so me thinks I will watch some German F1 😂😂
Some Max haters and saying they are fan of Senna have to watch some races of Senna. All or nothing. That made races with Senna spectacular. Hard racing with a lot of DNF's because of the all or nothing and wheel to wheel mentality.
It's a shame that we look too blame someone.. What about this... If they race hard just let them race! They all know the risk... And if you are faster just pass the guy in front!
the move or crash mentality has been used for most great drivers. Schumacher, largely Senna and now Max. plus for the viewers, and f1 its a win, adds more tension and action. ppl complain about boring races. this was a very exciting race, lets keep it this way
Verstappen moved last weekend into some grass and this weekend avoiding divebombs by going off track. Only one driver refused to move one inch when it was required. For the rest i agree with you. It was a great and exiting race! Racing incidents can happen.
I guess with cost caps it is a pain because before it was whatever (adv to the team that can pay for the repairs) but now it is a factor. Plus the whole is at fault may be the one liable for damages $? That pole hole plate sure moved for sainz in Vegas 😁
Thank Peter, for again providing insight and sanity to what was basically a racing incident. The massive blowback against Max is more about people who have MDS (Max Derangement Syndrome) than a measured analysis of the incident.
What people dont seem to acknowledge, is that these guys cut their teeth in karting, where this kind of aggressive driving is standard. Ok, maybe the speeds involved in F1 make this kind of aggression more dangerous, but not if its done properly and Max did it properly. Verstappen gave Norris enough room to pass without contact. If you cant see that, youre not a racer or common sense F1 fan.
There were 2 touching moments. Sadly the first cut Max's left rear tyre. Leaving him without control, causing the second hit. If the tyre wasn't cut. There would have been enough room for Lando.
If max ever stops, Formule 1 will be boring as F... Max is just better than the rest and Lando needs to find a way to beat Max without whining.. Lando is good but at the moment not good enough.
@@AmericasChoiceI agree, he will be dominated by Max until Max decides to retire and if by that point Oscar is still his teammate, he will have caught up and most likely have surpassed him as a driver.
Cause Lewis was their God, when Max came into F1 he got alot of love from great racing drivers and he showed alot of talent. From the moment he came into F1 he was the one that in right circumstances would challenge Lewis. He was very young and they tried to test him to destroy him, it’s easy to bully a teenager but he never gave a F* and he doesnt care if he gets portrayed as the villain.
Its not just Max, Sky hates everyone that challenges Lewis or a British driver. Sky have made Villians of Alonso, Rosberg, Massa, and now Max. All because they challenged Lewis.
horse manure. along those lines Max had 20 meters to his right but didn't have a fast enough brain to use it. One of them was intentionally crowding into the other. And that person was Max, not Lando.
@@stableianF1oracle watched and enjoyed the whole thing. And yes, Max was up to his old tricks. The stewards were right to apportion blame to Max. But as has been shown before, they need to penalize him more severely or he’ll never learn He’s one of the dirtiest drivers on the grid
Thank you for a very sensible explanation about the Norris Verstappen incident in Austria. I commented elsewhere that it was Norris' fault based upon my amateur view. As professionals you now confirmed what I said.
But Piastri made multiples passes on the outside of turn 6 in the race. So, the outside car doesn't always lose. And Landon tried multiple times on the inside (which then makes Max the outside) and Max still won most of the attempts.
@@RodneyMorse-b2zhe had no one to compete. Norris was busy pushing max on the grass into a wall. Max was busy staying alive and Hamilton stil had to wake up.
For everyone who is complaining about Max. Ask yourself if you think Senna was as good as everyone claims he was then. The man who made the game if chicken an art in F1. The man everyone considers to be the best F1 driver to ever geace the sport. The man who punted more people off the road than almost anyone else on his path to 3 championships.
There is a LOT of confirmation bias going on with the hate for Max. I can understand the criticism and he was in the wrong for me, but these things happen in racing. People are acting like he punted him off the track. Hes had great battles over recent years but people are using this to make out he "hasn't changed" which is silly. Honestly the constant picking apart of every aggressive move he makes just brings the sport down for me. Don't people want to see action??
I can't remember which race it was. But Lando, being on the inside of a corner, came in contact with someone trying to overtake him on the outside (and failed). The guy trying to overtake came on the radio and said:"Lando drove into me !" Moments later Lando came on the radio and said: "He tried to go around the outside, what did he expect?".
Thank you for this content! I learned to love f1 in the Prost/Senna/Piquet/Mansell era... 120mph in the pit-lane, pit crew in t-shirts and shorts, getting your elbows out and racing like racers...nothing else to add. Ps, okay, maybe the pit-lane speed limit is a good thing :)
racing incident for me. When you look at previous races in Austria you always see these same moves in turn 3 -= just check how Leclerc lines up in turn 3 against Max and Lewis, he did exactly the same as Max yesterday and leaves even less space for the other driver - and they don't drive into him....
people were posting vids of lewis v seb and max v charles and everytime both of those drivers went on the curb to the left whilst norris drove into max
You really can notice that Peter loves actual racing and not follow all the other media critics. These critics can only talk about punishments and what shouldnt be allowed and who to blame. All these rules are making the sport dull and destroying the actual racing which at least makes me watch the sport.
Everybody wants to see hard racing and when it finally happens people start to bitch and complain.When they race hard shit happens and I hope they will do it again the next race.It’s exiting AF.
I’m confused. FIA introduced DRS because the new aero cars made too much dirty air meaning it was hard for cars to follow and do the old “slip stream” based on what Peter is saying we need to go back a fair few years then to remove DRS and race straight up, remove ground affect, remove certain aero that causes too much dirty air perhaps just get rid of the cost cap as well…. 👍
To the discussion of their friendship, I remember an interview with Lando a while back. Lando confirmed these thoughts-- they're friendly and respectful towards each other, but it's not like they're best friends as is often insinuated.
*Impatience & poor decision making from Lando sending it around the outside* Go back & watch Max vs Sainz Lap 26 of Austria 2023. Sainz moves under braking, Max backs off, puts his wheel 'off track' Uses DRS to pass on the next straight for a clean overtake.
Once again my compliments for Peter's objective and plausible analysis. Considering the completely hysterical reactions from the well-known bias media and the Lewis fans who again immediately abused their own feelings of frustration and hatred towards a driver who does nothing other than be who he is!
@@JohnKuhles1966 i watched the break down of the corner. Max sees lando.. max moves right then left into lando in the braking zone. Max caused the contact 100 percent on him i don’t care what Mr Windsor says. Any one who’s being unbiased can see this.
I feel for the British people. It's easy to get emotional over sports which is fine and actually lovely. But emotions are by definition not rational. Toxicity gets the clicks and media doesn't give a shite about us lot. Anyhow. Keep safe my fellow connoisseurs of F1 and have a lovely day.
Holy shit Mr. Peter Windsor dropped so much science in this talk that I’ve had to listen to it twice, my jaw’s on the floor here! Liberty needs this man on the payroll.
I agree 100% of Peter, that it’s not max fault , it’s his style of driving , & why Lando don’t go at the right side to overtake , like max did w/ Carlos Sainz before so they don’t have a collision it’s because Lando Is upset that he don’t win in sprint , like Russel in the interview !!
It looked to me like Lando was trying tovpass Max like they were on the last lap. Every lap for like, 10 or 15 laps, instead of setting up a good pass, he looked very desperate. It didn't come off looking like Lando did well. It came off like I do when I play gran turismo in a car thats faster than all the others. Just throw your car into the corner and get the pass done no matter what since I built the car to be faster than all the others. Poor showing.
I agree, and have been saying something similar in other comment streams. IMO Lando, up to now, has demonstrated that he doesn't have the fortitude or mental toughness to be Champion. I thought he looked reckless and desperate dive bombing and exceeding track limits to the point of getting penalized at a critical time in the race.
@@AmericasChoicehe was trying to pass while he still had tire advantage. I think it was a desperate move, and Lewis can give Lando a nice tip about trying to pass Max on the outside, but for Lando it effectively was the last lap because his tires were losing the “new” advantage
@@MichaelEilers Yees, that is all true. We were just questioning the specific move he made into that corner. He was coming in really hot on the outside of Max.
Lando on the inside went off & his engineer agreed Max forcing him off, that's the ridiculousness we're dealing with here. Lando was just too impatient, he was attacking without thinking through & he gave up therefore let the crash happen bcz there's no way he was overtaking Max from where they made contact, essentially ended his race.
People hate max for doing what they love senna and Schumacher for doing. Love this podcast/video. Peter's incite and Cameron's inquisitive demeanour really makes for great conversation
After Ive heard comment from this man, i wonder who this man is....his comment so full of knowledege about racing. I text search in google....OMG...hes not just ordinary man....in fact he is british . Please sir, dont stop to give your experience for us all...thank you sir
Finally someone british who can say what happened. Its clear that Max gives more enough space on the outside, its Lando who drives into Max - TWO times! Its so very clear that british people can be som bitter and so narrowminded. You have many british people who has Senna as their all time best driver, and he was more aggressive than Max! He even crashed out the opponent in the first turn of a race just so he could not get points! But if max gives a slightly different look at someone he is a jerk. Im ashamed to be called an F1 fan ecause of the fans. And if Lando still think that their friendship is over after seeing the clip again, maybe their friendship was too shallow... Go Max!
It is shocking how much hate max gets for being an aggressive and entertaining racer… the British bias reinforced by the media and broadcasters is absolutely ridiculous and this narrative will be poison in silverstone. I’ve seen so many drivers make on the edge moves and the reaction is so different, Fernando Alonso is a prime example and there are very recent situations you could refer back to. Max is a generational talent and he fights hard, that’s why every wheel to wheel battle he’s involved in is so exciting. He has been near perfect since the beginning of 2021 (regardless of your views of how that season ended he won more races than Lewis that season and Lewis had 6 years of momentum under his belt) and we have all been crying out for another titanic battle to replicate 2021, at the first sight of a championship battle the world is in outrage and we turn straight to hate. Do we want to be entertained or not guys! Should max just pull over next time and let him past?!
Thankfully, Max doesn't give a rat's ass.
Hear hear
I agree. If you look at Piastri's onboard on the lap that Lando and Max collided, he was into a battle with Sainz. Piastri dove to inside of Sainz for turn 3, but left him space on the outside on the exit. Sainz was ahead on the drive towards turn 4 and did a couple of moves to block Piastri there that were worse than what Max did, but I don't hear anyone about that. Piastri himself also didn't even complain, but just focused on his line into turn 4 and got ahead through 5 and 6. No whining, no complaining and no controversy.. just racing. There's so many examples of situations like that all the way up and down the grid every race, but people and especially the media are just hyper-focusing on that one thing they can create a drama bandwagon about for everyone to jump on so they can sell their content.
I'm with you. But especially on social media, hate is immediately sown and often on faulty grounds! There is already enough hate in the world. Act normal and treat each other the way you want to be treated. And you don't have to agree with each other, but respect each other. Unfortunately, many have to look up the meanings of the word respect :(
100% This!!!
Say it louder for people at the back Peter! People want hard racing and then cry like babies when it happens. Max was just doing his job, Lando could've moved to the left but was equally as stubborn. Racing incident end of story.
Exactly, this ☝
Ah yes, AMEN!
Even if this was deemed as Verstappen's fault, just accept that he was given a penalty according to the rule book and move on. Lando might have been in the right, but in the end it just cost him his own race. He himself was in the position to not let it happen. Some people just want so much drama, such as calling for a race ban for Max. That's just hilarious 😅
Except Peter got the facts wrong starting 5s into this video. Lando didn’t hit Max’s LR with his RF, it was LR to RR.
AKA Lando was fully alongside when the contact happened. Since one driver wasn’t steering (relative to the track AND steering input on the car) and the other was… Super easy to see who was at fault.
Never mind that Max continued to watch his mirror and move his car to block for the rest of this corner, the following straight, and the next corner.
I bet you did not think Max should have moved left at Silverstone 2021
A lot of people sway one way then the other in favour of their favourite driver.
No honest objectivety in the F1 comments sections
Peter Windsor chose to speak facts.
Agree 100% and he is not even Dutch!
@@JohnKuhles1966
Peter's description of Max's driving was sublime. Not even SKYF1's ex driver commentators can decipher Max's style.
Mr Windsor need to check the rules book from time to time:)).
The master of commentary looks not to be aware of the simple fact that when a driver breaks (with the steering wheel straight) all the weight goes on the front tires and any move of the steering wheel will lead to locking a tire.
I see only subjective opinions from a person who I was expecting to be objective.
Speaks truth… Except for literally his first comment on the entire incident. Lando’s RR and Max’s LR touched. Not FR into LR.
Windsor needs to rewatch the video.
Agree 99%. A little more respect to waterpolo (a very aggressive sport for those who kniw it) would make it 100%.
Thank you Cameron F1, yes Max was being a racing driver, and many people didn't realize that it was exactly what we want to see (not the accident, but the racing).
Both tried some things that were on the edge, but that is pure racing
He was being a racing driver who REFUSES to be passed. That's NOT what we want.
We don't want drivers with limitless defense tactics either Peter.
as much as i agree, max being a racing driver is great but when he shows 2016 max with some choice illegal moves which are there for the safety of the drivers he cant complain when he gets the reprocussion for breaking those rules. max was the reason the moving under breaking rule was introduced. the instance that comes to mind is 2016 kimi vs max in belgium. please have a look and youll see the similarities with how he raced then and how he raced against lando in austria. hes taken a step back and races like hes 17 again. for split second you can see that he will do anything for the in and the mentality of "if i cant win neither can you" is ridiculous and dangerous
@@LouF1-2 all due respect to your opinion Sophie, Lando has the faster car this season, had fresher tyres and DRS and still couldn't find a way passed Max. If Lewis would have been in that position he would have found a way, but Lewis and Max are equal in value, sadly Lando is not on par with them. All he could say was why Max didn't let him pass on the basis of them being friends. "You want it? I'm not giving you the position! You have to come and take it if you're a racer!" Simple as that
@dariussatius1621 yes I agree and lando had not had the experience of driving in the front of the field to attack in a more suitable way and I apreciate your opinion however I believe that maxs defence was to claim the inside line, then move toward the outside under breaking, and as a second defensive move, I'm not too sure how lando would have gotten arround that when he dosnt have the space. I understand your point that max can't just let him through and I agree, but their are rules in place for the safety of the drivers and max has shown that he is skilled enough to defend without breaking those rules so I can understand landos frustrations
How refreshing to hear someone like Peter Windsor about this incident. He is spot on!
So you agree they should get rid of DRS !! And Blocking back and forth should be allowed. Ok, let's see how many drivers survive with that rule.
Peter also said Hamilton was cheated his 8th Championship by FIA when Max won. Glad you Love Peter W
No. No he isn’t. He’s literally wrong 5s in when he says Lando hit Max’s LR with his RF.
I believe Peter is also spot on with Hamilton being Cheated his maybe when 8th Championship
The British bias is going nuts over this.
He's been driving flawlessly for 2,5 seasons, had great fights with 0 contact with LeClerc in '22. Had to come through the entire field on multiple occasions.
Now he makes one small single mistake (if it even was a mistake, it was perfect positioning imo) and the British go wild. just proves how much Verstappen is in their heads.
I respect you Peter Windsor, great takes. Max didnt do much wrong to be honest, he defended like a GOAT does, what do people expect?
A goat?
Nice try, but epic fail
Tell that to a stubborn 2021 Abu Dhabi Brit...
how about non-dirty driving. that's what we expect
@@philparker1278 So what was dirty about it? If you look at the onboard of Verstappen, he didn't move to the left. If at all he slightly steered to the right when Norris hit him.
Also, as Peter basically said in the Video, there was a time in F1 when blocking and and similar defensive manouvers were the norm, and i can tell you, it was a whole lot more entertaining than what we have now where the large majority of the drivers simply trust on DRS to do the job for them. Yes DRS creates a whole lot more overtakes. But 90% of the time there's no skill involved anymore. Just press a button and you will pass. Often enough they have already passed the opponent even before the next braking zone starts. What is entertaining about this?
Lando was throwing his car inside and outside recklessly and desperately. If you stick your car on the outside, you do so at your own peril, people are so used to accommodating failure and celebrating mediocrity that when a ruthless winner comes along like Max, they find him too aggressive or abrasive. Ironically, Lando pushing Max onto the grass in Spain was considered hard, fair racing...
I disagree that any of Lando attempts were reckless - he only overcooked the braking once & went off. If you don’t go for the gap, you’re not racing. I much prefer when the drivers are trying to overtake than just sitting behind each other.
Hear hear!
@@Will-kt5jkBut he did not make any of those moves stick. Everytime Max had to avond a collision.
So yeah Lando is not that good yet.
@@arcenistpyro2220 yet the pass that should of stuck max ran off and stayed ahead then cried on the radio with horner. when lando did it he cried on the radio with horner about getting the place back. so which is it? max is allowed to be free of all faults and whatever he wants to do is fine for him but nobody else? Max just showd again when hes challenged hes not a great driver. only great at driving with huge leads. when he has to fight he crumbles under pressure and crashes into his opponent. always has
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Lando " If he doesn't apologize I won't be his friend anymore ☹️"
Max " I come here to win not to finish 2nd"
Can you guess who's a 3x world champion and who's a 1 time gp winner ? The mentality between the two couldn't be so further apart , I really think Norris is a talented driver but he has no edge he's had the faster car in about 3/4 races and still is struggling to win .I honesty can't believe Cameron' calls Norris a God tier driver , God tier ?! and labels Leclerc as the 2nd coming of Jean Alesi but Norris is british so ofc you'll gravitate towards him even subconsciously 🤷♂️ put Leclerc in that Mclaren and he'd be winning and consistently challenging Max no doubt it , Why ? Cause he's PROVED it Bahrain 22 , Austria 22 , Silverstone 19 , Saudi 22
More like @ I come here to crash”
BS! Its possible to win WDC without shunting people off track. 22' there were duels between V and LeClerc with respectful driving. And it was known as a 'gentlemans' sport. His penalty was created just for Vercrashens style of driving after 21'. Rules should be applied fairly. Clearly max moved left before right to run him wide before the corner. DRS has nothing to do with it as only an idiot will open his DRS before such a tight corrner so speed differential in breaking for a corner is nonsense.
How much more evidence do we need that V is temperamental, so many examples in his career, and even if you watch his karting. Anybody who says you cannot overtake on the outside of an apex is being biased.
Watch Anthony Davidsons frame by frame analysis, its clear as day!
@@stevepiccinnin1157 British and Brainwashed. It should be a new TV show.
It's like defending a serial killer and saying it's "the survival of the fittest"
Verstappen "comes here to win," okay, but is he willing to follow the regulations to win, or not?
My main complaint is the delay between Landos obligational time penalty. And the decision of the stewards.
Black flag is decided quickly through sensors. But penalty for additional tracklimit is delayed. With Max and Lando knowing there was already a time penalty. It would likely not have resulted in this fight.
Maybe yes, but there will be more situations like this coming! Max will never let anyone pass him. It will either be max in front or a collision!
Long before the actual penalty, Lando had been warned that the next time he exceeded track limits he would be penalized......... so the moment he exceeded the track limits, he knew he had a penalty.
In fact, we think that even Max knew Lando had a track limit penalty long before Lando dive bombed into Max.
@@midas7394 Difficult to see when your in front.
Lando could have avoided the collision just as Max avoided Lando on both of the previous two laps.
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And in Spain when Lando drove him off the circuit and into the grass at the start...
Damn straight
Agree ; he’s got one F1 win under his belt, and now he thinks he is in the same league as Max. He has become a copy-cat moaner like Lewis
Landos Racecraft needs to improve. The FIA is joke, and the fact that Max was given a 2 point penalty against His license for this incident is the most ridiculous of all. F1 is a rolling Circus Clown.
British press is disrespectful to Verstappen and tells the English public what they want to hear
That's how you retail viewers. It's there job to tell the viewers what they want. They have investors holding there corporate debt. And need air time for there ads.
Just like blaming Verstappen to do his job as a racing driver on the wrong tire after a 6 seconds pitstop.
Yup..and that has all to do with creating a hetze against Max before Silverstone in favour of Lando..hidden agenda👽
Johnny Herbert with his jealous little grudges and the likes of Hill is sticking up for him.
If you in for a laugh read all the negative comments on bbc news site and look at all the downvotes when max qualifies on pole or wins a race. Brits in general are in general not fans of f1 is my opinion
@@RogerKeulen exactly so we are admitting that there is a bias? Glad we cleared that up.. also glad we cleared up the fact the british public are a bunch of mouthbreathing pitch fork waving loosers crying about racism and human rights.. while their wives spend all their money on items made in sweat shops
Go watch both onboards!
They tell the story.
Max didn’t move on his onboard, lando ran into him
Good luck telling that to the emotionally unstable British fans. 😆
you're having a laugh
@@Jojo_Bee yeah I know!
If they would watch the onboards they would see😂😂
@@Jojo_Bee. I watched both the onboards and the analytics- this is not Max’ fault any more than it was Lando’s…a racing incident due the the very aggressive driving from both that the fans beg for.
Yes everyone, even Max home race stewards saw him move LEFT but you😢
I was waiting for this F1 Hour!!!! ...when I finally hear someone (Mr. Peter Windsor) saying out loud "Max did nothing wrong!"
Cameron, thank you so much for this amazing conversation, once again! ...and this one was the BEST EVER F1 Hour!
There was more room for Lando then for Max when Lando pushed him on the grass. I think Lando realy need some glasses for his birthday.
Wait, Your complaining about Landon not being penalized for over driving to cause a accident, but justify Max doing the same. The hypocrisy is unbearable. Just ask the stewards to do their jobs !!!! And neither Max nor Lando will break the rules.
@@RodneyMorse-b2z No, I think the point was that few people were screaming about how dirty/aggressive of a driver Lando is when he just did the same thing to Max one race ago. They are racing drivers, they are going to defend right up to the edge, and sometimes a bit beyond.
Put L.Norris in Leclerc shoes and see him rage quit F1 😂
What does more room have to do with the safety rule of single move. NOTHING
@@DOSdaze Then stop the hypocrisy, and say BOTH Landon and Max should be penalized, don't criticize lando and justify Max. That's like saying thief is not a thief as long as enough people are stealing. Hypocrisy !!! Stand for right now matter what....
British bias is one of the worst parts of f1 and it goes into the very core of the f1 organization. Will Buxton was unhinged in the post race show on Formula One’s own program, sky sports incredibly biased. There’s a lot of British TH-cam commentators like Cameron who don’t know much about Formula One, but are incredibly biased as Cameron is showing now and pretty much in all of his videos. But when the big presenters on F1 official payroll and main media do It, it really harms the sport. Nobody takes commentators like Cameron seriously, but I’m really glad to see Peter give his fair opinion. I personally think it was mostly a racing incident when they collided with a fraction of the blame more to be placed on Max. This is a very minor collision and misjudgment by Max. This was not dirty driving and this is not like when Lewis put Max into the wall at Silverstone, 2021. That was serious dangerous driving by Lewis. There was no uproar on main f1 media about Lewis being dirty when he did that. British bias is a joke and makes it harder to take f1 more seriously.
You are biased aswell! That collision was judged! Why don't you specify the time when max ended up on hamilton's car then?
@@81dsf that was a racing incident. Hamilton didn’t leave space for max though
Wow !! Every Podcast with Mr Windsor is Gold !! Thank you Cameron !....................Hit the like guys !
Lando and Zac Brown have still long way to learn only fast car and DRS button aren't enough to win a race!
Absolutely. McLaren can't learn Norris patience because they haven't won anything in a century. Instead they throw gas on the fire by crying alongside him with their litlle behind. Hallelujah for the 11 year old cheerleading squad 🤣 another driver of the day is on the way!!
Peter Windsor you are 100%.Correct , couldn't have said it better myself.
3:23 on last year’s highlights shows Sainz doing the same thing to Max, but Max doesn’t shunt it into the side of Carlos.
I heard Max is considering retiring now that Lando doesn’t respect him and Palmer/Buxton are mad.
:)
lol
😂If he quits it's about stupid rules and retarded new regulations ...
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It's probably the other way around, Lando is the one who acting like little frustrated schoolboy and can't keep his frustration and jealousy to him self.. Over a couple of years, after Lando's is tired of eating Max his dust, and after he got completely demolished and demotivated, he will retire.. And Palmer was just a driving chicane during his F1 career and now he thinks he can criticis Max, but infact Max was already driving circles around Palmer when he entered F1 at the age of just 17 in 2015.. And the rest of those pathetic baised British media, Max can't take those weazels really serious anymore.. Max isn't going anywere, only if he and him alone thinks he have enough of these deluded hypocrites he will retire and enjoying other racing categories..
The British media is so biased because darling Lando punctured his car and drove into max. Who was defending himself to the limit. And I was chocked by the post race so hysterical like a witch hunting! Luckily we here heard a nuanced conversation. Opposite the post race especially Parmer.
The most dynamic duo in F1 reporting! Great work as always
The way Palmer was so hell bent on blaming Max, it seemed odd for representing a journalistic/commentator perspective
Hear hear, UK-biased reporting by a FIA-sanctoned set of reporters - methinks Mr Palmer should find another job to keep himself busy.
@@smanqele odd is putting it mildly
Palmer is a retard
Insane overreaction from fans/media about yesterday - if had happened further down the field there would barely be mention of it. It seems like a lot of people have been waiting for something like this to happen just to have a pop at max.
Well done Cameron for another great video, always great to listen to the calm perspective of Peter.
Lando is a crybaby...
Him and his 11 year old litlle cheerleading squad 🤣😝
@@donaldhausenfluck2200 Well remembered. 😂😂😂😂
Max was crying about "dive bombing" every lap. Hilarious because that is his signature move.
get lost
@@rozburgexcept when Max does it he makes the move stick.
Nail on the head Peter. I’ve banging on about DRS for years now. It has ruined racing. Max haters just want to hate Max. We get it, you are British and have this weird toxic culture of hate and war and all that, but objectively, the problem is DRS. It’s rubbish.
No DRS requires smaller cars
The problem is that F1 cars are so reliant on aerodynamics and clean air, you need something to compensate for the time lost in corners which is not recovered by a tow. Otherwise you can't ever overtake unless your car is ridiculously much faster (like 2-3s+ a lap), just look at the pre-DRS era. Because no, outside of a single highlight per season, there was absolutely no racing past T1 back then, and F1 was almost purely an engineering sport.
@@jeffp2935 it requires the old regs pre-2017 before they rewidened the rear wings in the quest for speed, which substantially increased it’s effect, far overly so. Since then it’s just been a cheat button for the car behind, which results in what we have now. the fastest cars steaming to the front, unimpeded, unchallenged and quite frankly, unworthy of their win. Indycar’s push to pass has proven to be far superior in the racing it creates. This needs to be the biggest talking point in F1 at the moment and it just isn’t.
100% Lando's fault. He went into the turn way too fast. He wanted to cut of Max in the corner but turned way too quick to the right. It was never his goal to go from the outside in that corner.
If you look at that incident again, he turned his wheels already towards the inside corner where Max was already. Norris was never even at front in that turn.
Max can care less what the british media or their fans think of him.
Agree 100%. The British will and are going wild. It’s NEVER the Brit’s fault. Lewis’ crashes or aggressive driving was straight up ignored. Seb was despised and attacked and the h8t fanned far and wide by their pundits.
Getting incredibly sick of them and their sensationalism
@@mamavswild I've always found this strange. If Max defends aggressively then it is a problem, and if Hamilton defends aggressively there is nothing to worry about. Norris wanted too much and drives around in frustration most of the time. That Max defended yes hehe.. If Norris had stayed calm and just done his thing, he would have overtaken Max 100%.
Absolute rubbish!
Max was reverting to his cheating ways that he has had since his Karting days.
Max is a great driver and does not need to do such things.
He broke the rules... whether you like those rules or not...that is a fact!
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Lol delusional mate your delusional along with your 40 likes
As I’ve stated in another comment, Brit’s are not f1 fans they’re just to chauvinistic to appreciate and accept when non Brit’s beat them, it’s pathetic really
i keep watching the replay from both onboards, and ill be the first to say max is a aggressive racer, and thats fine, but i cant come to any other conclusion that Lando had far to much overspeed approaching the corner , there was no way he would of made a undercut, and basically drove into max, max did not move to the left, Lando drove into him, he knew he had to much speed and either assumed that max would turn in earlier or he simply miscalculated the space he had and was frustrated already, after all he was seriously ranting about max moving under breaking, whilst he actually was not! I would love to blame max for the incident, but i dont see how.. is it me or are people just biased?? im going crazy with the amount of BS that is being spewed in max's direction, one day they praise him like he is a god, the next they are basically trying to lynch him?? and im not talking about the fans, that they do it i can understand, but commentators on tv!? this is sick stuff! Even if im truly seeing it wrong and max is fully at fault, how can you demonize him in such a horrendous manner for a racing incident??
Max is as aggressive like Senna and Schumacher. As soon his helmet is on he becomes a race monster. And I like that very much!!
As much as I feel sorry for Damon Hill, if he was going to beat Schumacher on that last race he should have been ahead of him in qualifying, trying to overtake a guy like that for championship or bust for both has only one possible outcome.. British media and fans do not seem to remember the moment Hamilton deliberately blocking Rosberg for a chance to win the title
Max is a race monster he is born to win and to defend his place with everything he's got doenst matter what the cost is... Hamilton is traumatized by Max.
I still have a backlash from watching F1TV with the UK commentators.... The outright anti verstappen was crazy to say the least
The main issue is not about moving under braking. According to the telemetry, he didn't actually move while braking. It's allowed to move left without braking, and he didn't receive a penalty for that either, he would if he did...
What's more concerning is that Max should have let Lando pass. He exceeded track limits four times under a black and white flag, but the FIA reported this penalty too late and AFTER the race. If the FIA had addressed this earlier, Max could have won even if Lando passed.
or he should have let him pass and put enough pressure on him to cause a lockup in norris, there were 10 laps left, we have seen drivers crumble under pressure
I know thos for DAMN SURE. When Peter Windsor says your move was "PERFECT" You can take that $#%^ to the BANK..
Exactly m8, agree to the fullest
Rubbish.
You are 100% right Peter. I am happy that you are still thinking as a real racer 👍👍👍
I love Peter not bias telling the truth
Drivers and teams complaining about and ratting on other teams/drivers should be punished with a 5 sec penalty per offense. Zero tolerance. Because too often the stewards react to the complaining ... if they did their jobs properly, they shouldn't need any info from drivers/teams while the race is ongoing.
If I were ever fortunate enough to sit in a pub with Peter and Cameron, I will be the fellow buying the rounds. I will be remaining mute and learning something. Good stuff men.
The world is on fire. There are serious problems. But if you open social media, the racing incident and especially Max's share in it seems to be a major topic. Stop whining. Shit happens, deal with it and move on. Put your energy into solving serious problems. But if there is ever a World Cup for the biggest whiners, the British have a good chance of winning it.
Interesting, well-considered and intelligent take on matters from Mr. Windsor!
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AMEN!!
I very much like your collaboration...I was never the greatest fan of Peter (a bit biased at times), although I have HUGE rexpect for the man he is a true F1 icon..but you two together are my new go to for serious F1 commentary and analysis.
Keep it up, the channel keeps improving every week!
In times i have felt the transition from biased to appriciating reality in them. And now Cameron & Peter are my favorite.
The dive booming, Max don't criticize the move he criticize the amount of times Lando use the move... I mean I think Lando just in this race did move divebombs them Max for example in the entire season of 2021 😂
I find it shocking to see this is being blown out of proportion by the British media. Sky F1 just released a video about Verstappen’s most dramatic collisions. How pathetic can you be. I have no respect for this kind of bullshit and will end my Sky subscription because of this. But I dislike Will Buxton as a human being and the hypocrite he is, so me thinks I will watch some German F1 😂😂
He did the unforgivable by destroying Lewis Hamilton.
Right on 👍👍
Yes! Go tell your mommy that sky sports are racists and very bad people🤨
Sky do it for the clicks. You don’t see Channel4 F1 trying to cash in on controversy like that. Give me DC over Crofty any day of the week.
Just pathetic clickbait from sky as usual.
Some Max haters and saying they are fan of Senna have to watch some races of Senna. All or nothing. That made races with Senna spectacular. Hard racing with a lot of DNF's because of the all or nothing and wheel to wheel mentality.
Wonderfull video from you gentlemen! Just a racing incident, agreed! We must not get sanitized racing, its already too regulated.
It's a shame that we look too blame someone.. What about this... If they race hard just let them race! They all know the risk... And if you are faster just pass the guy in front!
the move or crash mentality has been used for most great drivers. Schumacher, largely Senna and now Max. plus for the viewers, and f1 its a win, adds more tension and action.
ppl complain about boring races. this was a very exciting race, lets keep it this way
Verstappen moved last weekend into some grass and this weekend avoiding divebombs by going off track. Only one driver refused to move one inch when it was required.
For the rest i agree with you. It was a great and exiting race! Racing incidents can happen.
@@pidfenderlane9012 I agree, Lando is a G for causing this crash and creating havoc. Literally feels like 2021 again
I guess with cost caps it is a pain because before it was whatever (adv to the team that can pay for the repairs) but now it is a factor.
Plus the whole is at fault may be the one liable for damages $?
That pole hole plate sure moved for sainz in Vegas 😁
@@lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl , hmm, i didn't noticed Norris driving this aggressive in 2021🤔
When Max and LeClerc fight there, it is on another level..
@@HerrStaale True...Lando is not capable! Charles would have made the move cleanly.
Thank Peter, for again providing insight and sanity to what was basically a racing incident. The massive blowback against Max is more about people who have MDS (Max Derangement Syndrome) than a measured analysis of the incident.
You know I really appreciate Peter saying what he did and that made me change my view on the situation! Thanks
What people dont seem to acknowledge, is that these guys cut their teeth in karting, where this kind of aggressive driving is standard.
Ok, maybe the speeds involved in F1 make this kind of aggression more dangerous, but not if its done properly and Max did it properly.
Verstappen gave Norris enough room to pass without contact.
If you cant see that, youre not a racer or common sense F1 fan.
@@demon1gp 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Verstappen Sainz Austria 2023 , Max full on the curbs to avoid a left creeping Sainz in the same corner
There were 2 touching moments. Sadly the first cut Max's left rear tyre. Leaving him without control, causing the second hit.
If the tyre wasn't cut. There would have been enough room for Lando.
FIA needs to check that razor sharp point that is on the McLaren frontwing. Saw that pre race and it almost looks designed to cut opponents tires.
If max ever stops, Formule 1 will be boring as F... Max is just better than the rest and Lando needs to find a way to beat Max without whining.. Lando is good but at the moment not good enough.
IMO he will never be Champion. He doesn't have the mental toughness needed.
@@AmericasChoiceI agree, he will be dominated by Max until Max decides to retire and if by that point Oscar is still his teammate, he will have caught up and most likely have surpassed him as a driver.
Grow up 🤡
Can someone tell me why sky hates max. I know he is not British but man I’ve never seen a biased reporters to that level.
Cause Lewis was their God, when Max came into F1 he got alot of love from great racing drivers and he showed alot of talent. From the moment he came into F1 he was the one that in right circumstances would challenge Lewis. He was very young and they tried to test him to destroy him, it’s easy to bully a teenager but he never gave a F* and he doesnt care if he gets portrayed as the villain.
Its not just Max, Sky hates everyone that challenges Lewis or a British driver. Sky have made Villians of Alonso, Rosberg, Massa, and now Max. All because they challenged Lewis.
Lando had another 2 meters to his left but Lando didn’t have the brain fast enough to use it. Fast car slow brain.
horse manure. along those lines Max had 20 meters to his right but didn't have a fast enough brain to use it.
One of them was intentionally crowding into the other.
And that person was Max, not Lando.
@@philparker1278 If only you’d watched the race you’d see how silly you sound. 🤪🤪🤪
@@philparker1278 i believe you don’t understand whats racing is about 😂
@@ji5393 I believe that you believe that. I also believe you don’t know what you’re talking about
@@stableianF1oracle watched and enjoyed the whole thing. And yes, Max was up to his old tricks.
The stewards were right to apportion blame to Max. But as has been shown before, they need to penalize him more severely or he’ll never learn
He’s one of the dirtiest drivers on the grid
Thank you for a very sensible explanation about the Norris Verstappen incident in Austria. I commented elsewhere that it was Norris' fault based upon my amateur view. As professionals you now confirmed what I said.
One of the first lessons they taught at Skip Barber, “the sun rises in the east, sets in the west, and the guy on the outside always loses.”
JUST LIKE RUSSELL DID in Spain.
But Piastri made multiples passes on the outside of turn 6 in the race. So, the outside car doesn't always lose. And Landon tried multiple times on the inside (which then makes Max the outside) and Max still won most of the attempts.
@@RodneyMorse-b2zhe had no one to compete. Norris was busy pushing max on the grass into a wall. Max was busy staying alive and Hamilton stil had to wake up.
For everyone who is complaining about Max. Ask yourself if you think Senna was as good as everyone claims he was then. The man who made the game if chicken an art in F1. The man everyone considers to be the best F1 driver to ever geace the sport. The man who punted more people off the road than almost anyone else on his path to 3 championships.
Max is calmer than Senna and the Dutchman's 2023 season was better than any of Senna's. Flawless.
@@richy69ify I agree.
They love to hate Max. The more they hate on Max the more fans like me love Max.
There is a LOT of confirmation bias going on with the hate for Max. I can understand the criticism and he was in the wrong for me, but these things happen in racing. People are acting like he punted him off the track. Hes had great battles over recent years but people are using this to make out he "hasn't changed" which is silly.
Honestly the constant picking apart of every aggressive move he makes just brings the sport down for me. Don't people want to see action??
I can't remember which race it was. But Lando, being on the inside of a corner, came in contact with someone trying to overtake him on the outside (and failed). The guy trying to overtake came on the radio and said:"Lando drove into me !" Moments later Lando came on the radio and said: "He tried to go around the outside, what did he expect?".
Thank you for this content! I learned to love f1 in the Prost/Senna/Piquet/Mansell era... 120mph in the pit-lane, pit crew in t-shirts and shorts, getting your elbows out and racing like racers...nothing else to add. Ps, okay, maybe the pit-lane speed limit is a good thing :)
I was looking at Lando's Onbord an it's clear he was frustrated. he couldn't pass Max clean
These conversations are simply lovely.
racing incident for me. When you look at previous races in Austria you always see these same moves in turn 3 -= just check how Leclerc lines up in turn 3 against Max and Lewis, he did exactly the same as Max yesterday and leaves even less space for the other driver - and they don't drive into him....
people were posting vids of lewis v seb and max v charles and everytime both of those drivers went on the curb to the left whilst norris drove into max
You really can notice that Peter loves actual racing and not follow all the other media critics. These critics can only talk about punishments and what shouldnt be allowed and who to blame.
All these rules are making the sport dull and destroying the actual racing which at least makes me watch the sport.
Very good discussion, keep up the good programming, cheers.
Everybody wants to see hard racing and when it finally happens people start to bitch and complain.When they race hard shit happens and I hope they will do it again the next race.It’s exiting AF.
I’m confused. FIA introduced DRS because the new aero cars made too much dirty air meaning it was hard for cars to follow and do the old “slip stream” based on what Peter is saying we need to go back a fair few years then to remove DRS and race straight up, remove ground affect, remove certain aero that causes too much dirty air perhaps just get rid of the cost cap as well…. 👍
Cameron and Peter, you guys have a natural synergy, which makes your joint podcasts together honestly even better than the solo pods you guys do.
Also, it’s quite funny seeing all those biased fans crawling behind of their rocks, they’ve been hiding dor the last 2,5 years. Pathetic…just pathetic
Yes, you really are pathetic 🤡
Some refreshing analysis from you both. More of this please.
Peter Windsor is totally right 👍🏻
Peter speaking facts.
Shared far and wide. 💯
No way was Max at fault
No way, yet he was the one penalised 😂
To the discussion of their friendship, I remember an interview with Lando a while back. Lando confirmed these thoughts-- they're friendly and respectful towards each other, but it's not like they're best friends as is often insinuated.
Peter, you could not have explained it better
Incredible analysis by Peter. 100% on.
*Impatience & poor decision making from Lando sending it around the outside*
Go back & watch Max vs Sainz Lap 26 of Austria 2023.
Sainz moves under braking, Max backs off, puts his wheel 'off track'
Uses DRS to pass on the next straight for a clean overtake.
Once again my compliments for Peter's objective and plausible analysis. Considering the completely hysterical reactions from the well-known bias media and the Lewis fans who again immediately abused their own feelings of frustration and hatred towards a driver who does nothing other than be who he is!
Where was Lando going on that corner anyways.
Not Max fault
exactly
baloney
Max moved in the braking zone
@@AnthonyCarrierTH-cam just study what Peter Windsor explains, and he is not even Dutch!
@@JohnKuhles1966 i watched the break down of the corner. Max sees lando.. max moves right then left into lando in the braking zone. Max caused the contact 100 percent on him i don’t care what Mr Windsor says. Any one who’s being unbiased can see this.
This is pure gold. Thank you very much Mr. Peter Windso and Mr. Cameron 🙏🏻
I said before, does it matter who hits who. It was obvious that Lando hit Max. It’s very hard to believe that Max hit Lando.
Once again great insights and analysis, with no ads as usual really appreciate that.
I feel for the British people. It's easy to get emotional over sports which is fine and actually lovely. But emotions are by definition not rational. Toxicity gets the clicks and media doesn't give a shite about us lot. Anyhow. Keep safe my fellow connoisseurs of F1 and have a lovely day.
The British deserve the hole they've made for themselves
Holy shit Mr. Peter Windsor dropped so much science in this talk that I’ve had to listen to it twice, my jaw’s on the floor here! Liberty needs this man on the payroll.
Spot on analysis!
I agree 100% of Peter, that it’s not max fault , it’s his style of driving , & why Lando don’t go at the right side to overtake , like max did w/ Carlos Sainz before so they don’t have a collision it’s because Lando
Is upset that he don’t win in sprint , like Russel in the interview !!
Brilliant as always
WHOA! That was some of the best commentary about Formula One in recent times. Peter Windsor's insights make my jaw drops!
Lando should have been more patient and a little closer before he did that, but he was too impatient!!
Amazing interview. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It looked to me like Lando was trying tovpass Max like they were on the last lap. Every lap for like, 10 or 15 laps, instead of setting up a good pass, he looked very desperate. It didn't come off looking like Lando did well. It came off like I do when I play gran turismo in a car thats faster than all the others. Just throw your car into the corner and get the pass done no matter what since I built the car to be faster than all the others. Poor showing.
I agree, and have been saying something similar in other comment streams. IMO Lando, up to now, has demonstrated that he doesn't have the fortitude or mental toughness to be Champion. I thought he looked reckless and desperate dive bombing and exceeding track limits to the point of getting penalized at a critical time in the race.
@@AmericasChoicehe was trying to pass while he still had tire advantage. I think it was a desperate move, and Lewis can give Lando a nice tip about trying to pass Max on the outside, but for Lando it effectively was the last lap because his tires were losing the “new” advantage
@@MichaelEilers Yees, that is all true. We were just questioning the specific move he made into that corner. He was coming in really hot on the outside of Max.
Lando on the inside went off & his engineer agreed Max forcing him off, that's the ridiculousness we're dealing with here. Lando was just too impatient, he was attacking without thinking through & he gave up therefore let the crash happen bcz there's no way he was overtaking Max from where they made contact, essentially ended his race.
People hate max for doing what they love senna and Schumacher for doing.
Love this podcast/video. Peter's incite and Cameron's inquisitive demeanour really makes for great conversation
The difference with Max is that he dethroned Lewis and destroyed Formula 1, whichever was predominantly British controlled
Thank you Peter
After Ive heard comment from this man, i wonder who this man is....his comment so full of knowledege about racing. I text search in google....OMG...hes not just ordinary man....in fact he is british . Please sir, dont stop to give your experience for us all...thank you sir
Finally someone british who can say what happened. Its clear that Max gives more enough space on the outside, its Lando who drives into Max - TWO times! Its so very clear that british people can be som bitter and so narrowminded. You have many british people who has Senna as their all time best driver, and he was more aggressive than Max! He even crashed out the opponent in the first turn of a race just so he could not get points! But if max gives a slightly different look at someone he is a jerk. Im ashamed to be called an F1 fan ecause of the fans. And if Lando still think that their friendship is over after seeing the clip again, maybe their friendship was too shallow... Go Max!
Lets race.
What a good and genuine video…well spoken both, Peter and Cam! Always be fair..even if you don’t like the outcome.