I’m a COGOP pastor who has been watching your channel since we were all locked away for COVID in 2020. After you dropped those videos on the Church of God (Cleveland, TN) and on the IPHC, I wondered if you would ever say anything about us. You made my hopes and dreams come true. The most serious denominations study TH-camr did a video on my denomination. Yay!
I’m a COGOP pastor as well. It is indeed rare to see us discussed at all. It is even more rare to see us discussed accurately. I admire this young man and his efforts. Also. Greetings to you as well. Looking forward to meeting in Orlando later this month 🙌🏾🙏🏽
I grow up in The Church of God (Charleston, TN) Oscar Pimentel as General Overseer which separated from the COGOP in 1993 so I’ve had access to most of the Assemble Minutes, COGOP Books, Magazines and other publications and Josh has done an excellent job at introducing the Church of God of Prophecy from all sides from a historical, theological and current point of view. Great job Josh!!!
Sad that they broke away, I grew up in a COGOP that still holds to the same doctrine of divorce that caused them to split. I was told it was up to the pastor. Heard there’s rumors of all of them combining again, hope it happens! God Bless!
Thank you for your accurate portrayal of our church. It’s rare indeed to see us portrayed at all, and even more rare to be portrayed accurately. Thank you very much. May God continue to bless you.
Rejecting the Sabbath laws and still adhering to tithing is logically inconsistent. The tithing laws would have been fulfilled with the rest of the Mosaic Laws, so they can't be applied to contemporary houses of worship. Not to mention, tithing was for the Levites to receive their share of the inheritance.
I agree. Tithing is not a requirement for today and part of the handwriting of ordinances that was against us and what was nailed to the Cross. Those who make tithing binding on believers in this present dispensation of Grace are mixing up Law and Gospel as they tend to do so on other matters of faith and practice also.
In three separate instances in the New Testament the provision of those who labor in the Gospel is taught using the provision of the priests through tithing and offerings as the example.
What does paul mean when he says... 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 King James Version (KJV) Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
@@Keonny77 He was talking about freewill offerings and hospitality being shown by God's people not paying a set amount or percentage. Paul also laboured with his own hands when the situation required such in his craft as a tent maker and usually when ministering in a given area for a longer period of time.
@@GPpastorE hello brother Dixon. I’m in the doctrine page, under Pre-Mill Second Coming. I don’t see any references to Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, nor Post-Tribulation. It generalizes He is coming to resurrect the dead saints and to catch away the living; then the millennial reign.
I think it's one of those things that kinda varies from congregation to congregation. I've been in COGOP all my life as well and from what I've seen from pastors in my area, I think the general consensus is PreTrib, but there are definitely exceptions, such as my pastor. Personally, I think it's one of those issues that doesn't directly affect the basics of Christianity. As long as we agree he's returning, I don't think it's a big deal to disagree when he that will be. We just need to be ready when he does.
Pre-Trib and Pre-Milennial are separate things. All beliefs on the rapture(pre/mid/post) occurr before the millennial reign so the official teaching of COGOP has always been Pre-Milennial because by scriptural definition that's when the rapture will take place, "When" exactly in relation to the Great Tribulation has always been been left up to believer although AJ Tomlinson was very much in the Pre-Trip camp having answered a question in the Assembly in regards to the Mark of the Beast by stating "it doesn't matter, we won't be here anyway".
I have been part of a COGOP church for the past 25 years, and we have never done foot washing. I don't think anyone is theologically opposed to the idea, it's just never something we've done.
My church upbringing was in the COGOP. I was taught that there is an important distinction between the COGOP and all other church groups. As a result of special revelation the COGOP sees herself exclusively as THE one true church. It's odd this prominent part of church identity was not mentioned in this video.
While we still believe in the revelation of AJ Tominson. However, we no longer believe in the exclusivity of the Church of God of Prophecy as the one true church. That was actually never an official teaching. But it was presented that way to the point that many thought it was the official teaching.
I used to watch a program on Christian TV hosted by a man named Elwood Matthews. He was a COGOP minister. He sometimes delivered his sermons at Field of the Woods. I liked his sermons. The ones on TV were in a general evangelical vein. He studiously avoided anything too extreme in the Holiness vein, and he never talked about charismatic gifts such as speaking in tongues. If he had, I probably wouldn't have watched him. About twenty years ago, somebody tried to plant a COGOP church in my town. It didn't take root, so it wasn't long before it shriveled up and blew away.
I loved Bishop Matthews. He was our State Bishop in Florida years ago. The Voice of Salvation was targeted to a more general audience and meant as a foundational type program. However, Bishop Matthews did believe , preach, and practice the biblical doctrine of spiritual gifts, healing, and speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. His messages that he preached to a Church of God of Prophecy audience were still sound in doctrine but were more intense and often delved deeper than the VOS messages. Like the apostle Paul, he “became all things to all men “ that he might save some. (See 1 Corinthians 9:19-22)
Mention might be made pg Homer Aubrey Tomlinson, a son of Ambrose. In 1962, at the University of British Columbia, he declared himself "King of UBC" and "King of the World".[2] On October 7, 1966, Bishop Tomlinson planned to crown himself King of the World or "King of All Nations of Men" in Jerusalem.
I would really like to see someone talk about young vs old creationism and it's different aspects with different religions but I don't know of any channel that presents it as thoughtfully and througrough as either you or Matt Baker (which is how I found this channel). Any thoughts? I did search you both and couldn't find anything unless it's included in a document diff titled video
You forgot to tell us how AJ Tomlinson climbed up a mountain during a lightning storm, to ask G_d for a sign for whether or not he should start a new church. Well after waiting for a few hours, lightning struck the mountain. There ya go!
It would’ve been more significant to do this on the 12th of February at half noon, but you only ask for what you expect. Hearing thunder during a storm merely signifies you’re not deaf. It says absolutely nothing about how long an SUV can be before we admit they’re just vans with four doors instead of two sliding doors at the side. That’s all. No amount of lightning and thunder’s gonna change my mind.
Wow, I've got to give COGOP a lot of credit here. I was raised as a Southern Baptist, in a church which mainly held OSAS and pre-trib pre-mil dispensationalist views. I later became convinced Catholicism was correct for a variety of historical and scriptural reasons; but I wonder if I'd have been less-likely to make that leap if I'd been raised COGOP. Don't misunderstand: I still think, in good conscience, that I arrived at the correct view. But part of what made me work extra-hard at research was the clear disconnect between the church offices present my childhood church, and those in the post-apostolic, pre-canonization period (roughly 100 AD to 400 AD). Likewise the cavalier attitude towards remarriage after divorce: They wouldn't have _called_ it cavalier, mind you; but in practice a minister didn't do much inquiry before agreeing to officiate at a "wedding" of civilly-divorced persons whose former spouses were (a.) Christians, and (b.) still living. But it seems to me that COGOP comes a lot closer to the practice of the Early Church; and for that reason, the disconnect would have been a bit less obvious to me. I do think COGOP still has some -oddities- _unique points._ Foot-washing as an ordinance is one; another is grape-juice instead of wine. Not a lot of historical warrant for the first being an ordinance; and so far as I can see there's _no_ Scriptural or historical warrant for the second. Still, as "reconstructionist" approaches to Christian faith and practice go, they get pretty high marks. Nice job, brothers & sisters! UPDATE: I see someone else in this comment-thread (@1989barker) saying they've attended a COGOP church for 25 years without ever doing foot-washing. So...that's a little odd. @Ready to Harvest is usually spot-on accurate, but I can't imagine a church considering Rite XYZ to be an "ordinance" in the same category with communion and baptism, and yet _not do it_ at least once a year! (I'd have thought an Easter service the most-likely occasion.) So...I wonder what the disconnect is?
To understand the foot washing confusion it has to be known that what was not explained at all in any way was that COGOP made a shift in doctrine and polity back in the early 1990's. Prior to that time they held doctrines in the realm of Divorce and Remarriage teaching that it was only Biblically permissable to remarry once your first spouse had passed away. They also taught against wearing of jewelry of any kind including wedding rings. These beliefs were held from the inception of the Church. Before the 1990's foot washing was practiced very regularly but since that time while still an official ordinance on paper is not very widely practiced. In 1993 a group separated themselves and reorganized as The Church of God, of which I am a member, and they/we practice feet washing several times a year. I hope this helps.
@@michaelgale5347: Actually, yes, that helps tremendously. Thanks! Follow-up question (if you don't mind): Did the 1993 group (of which you are a member) separate themselves in order to be -- I'm not sure how to put this, so forgive me if I just try out a bunch of labels -- more conservative/traditionalist/originalist/rigorist, as opposed to liberal/drifting/lax? And if so, did they see maintaining the foot-washing-as-ordinance practice as an example of this originalist/traditionalist staying-the-course? And, did they likewise maintain the prohibition against remarriage (other than after the death of the spouse)? Thanks!
@@cw-on-yt I've been in COGOP all my life and I guess it varies depending on the leaders in your church. We usually have foot washing after communion and personally, I think it's a great thing to practice. It's a great way to practice humility and servitude towards our brethren in Christ when you're washing their dirty feet. Lol. Also, I think it's important to remember just how low Jesus put himself when he washed his disciples feet. It was a job for the least of the servants of the house at the time. Not only that, back then they didn't have socks and closed toed shoes to protect their feet. They were walking on dirt road, stepping on rocks that would cut their feet, and I'm sure they stepped in the occasional pile of feces from time to time. Its just amazing to me to think about that the God of all creation lowered himself to the point of literally washing the crap off of fishermen's feet. What a loving God we serve!
I loved you questions, respect, and seeking of further understanding. It was academically refreshing compared to the present day rage, screaming, finger pointing, etc. I really appreciate your literal aura. God bless! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@heydavis4168 : Aww. 🙂 Thanks for your kind words. By all means, let us make an effort to be at peace with all men, but especially our brothers and sisters in the Lord. God willing, we Christians can become especially well-known for being gracious when we interact online. (Courtesy as evangelism! You'd think it shouldn't be _that_ difficult, for people with the Holy Spirit in their hearts and James 3 in their heads!) Best to you and yours, CW
I've watched many of your videos and noticed a theme: many different denominations have doctrines or rules that prohibit the rights of women to serve as leaders in the church. Are there any denominations that restrict the rights of men to serve as leaders?
Possibly in some other religions there may be such a thing, but within Christianity the gender-based restrictions are based on certain Biblical texts. Since the Bible doesn't put any restrictions on men, there's no real reason a denomination would have such a restriction.
*A tiny group will investigate the supernatural bible changes and help warn their Brothers and Sisters about them, the masses will hear Jesus explaining it all at the Gate. God commanded us to ''prove all things'' and I'd obey Him if I were you.* ❤✝️💪
But why? The reason is Christianity divorced itself from its roots in the 2nd century. Jesus, Paul and John all preach the religion of Abraham, and all prophecy was fulfilled. Grace was redefined as unmerited but only in Christianity, making it grace whatever you want it to be in each denomination. I started 10 years ago with the same question as you, and my study found the true religion of the NT, and I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' to bring the truth.
yes and no. Evolution in the Darwinian sense of one common ancestor is not even scientifically valid because there isn't a single shred of evidence. Geology's "fossil column" is nonsense where hard science is concerned. Even more, the idea of evolution from a chemical primordial soup to living things is not remotely scientific because it violates laws of physics. Micro evolution is where biology does lend support. Nobody argues that adaptation within a kind occurs, but there is no mechanism for an organism to put extra information into its own DNA to create anything that isn't already there.
I am a victim of the COG...I had a male from the church with his mother target me specifically with government grants, repeat of past abuse, stalking, theft, promulgating fake divorce to elevate his brother in the church and he later married a Hispanic that was also a pastor in the church...his attorney also with him represented me without notification in a jurisdiction then purposely and fraudulently perpetrated a divorce in order to steal the aforementioned positions and possessions. I believe they destroy your life so you'll "come to Jesus" even though you were already saved before they showed up.
Interesting video. I thought they were kind of "exclusivie" back in the days, a bit like the Seventh-day Adventists who call themselves the Remnant Church and don't really associate with the other evangelicals. I may be wrong or it was just not mentionned.
So many splinters from Christ Jesus. So many of them want to only focus on the New Testament as the "only rule of faith and practice", while ignoring the important rules of faith and practice from the Old Testament. They go hand in hand, yet because the NT is more forgiving, kind and 'nice' to people, they naturally gravitate only towards the message of 'love' and 'peace' and discount the same God of the Old Testament who represents order, law and obedience as well. But if some religion picks "God is Love" as the only message to spread and forget also that God has no room for winking at sin (LGBTQ+) and lifestyles of this world, they are leaving out important spiritual food for people to eat. Veggies and all, not just dessert.
Yes. People misunderstand what it means to be under grace and so wrongly assume that the law has been done away with. I would go further and say that the church has not replaced Israel, so understanding from the old testament who the houses of Judah and Israel actually are, helps get a better learning of end time prophecies.
This is more of an Evangelical thing, and I think they should drop the name Protestant. True Protestants are in the spirit of the REFORMation, not this restorationist stuff where all liturgy and tradition is practically held in contempt.
@asdfasdff747 To preach as he does or as all protestants do while at the same time, deny scripture specifically John chapter 20 vrs 21-23 or John 6 vrs 53-58, all they just keep on saying is the same old rhetoric of either sola fida or justication or by his grace. Yes, these are valid, I am not denying them, but they are invalid on their own without practising what I sent in those two text then doing everything else but not what I said make everything that protestant's do or say invalid. As an analogy you have a book that tells you how to operate machinery safely. You decide that some of those instructions are not valid or that you might reword the instructions to mean something different. Now do you think that to operate that machine according to the instructions that you reworded and altered would be safe for anyone to use. Because that is exactly what Protestant's Anglicans, and Non-denominationals have been doing telling half the story and throwing away the other half.
I mean evolution is real whether or not they acknowledge it lmao and the last time water covered the whole earth, humans weren't on it. As an anthropologist and a christian (Coptic Orthodox) idk why they think there's a conflict
@@chris2fur401 Are you saying I should have come out and called the OP stupid, or are you saying Christians aren't allowed to point out when something is not smart at all?
I struggle to pigeon hole myself in terms of denomination categorisation. I am Protestant, adhering to the five solas, but have beliefs or understandings not common in mainstream evangelicalism. I accept the concept of the gap theory and understand that various orders of creation existed before the six day restoration account of Genesis 1. I believe Adam was the first Adamite, albeit the people created in Genesis 1 are of different races. I believe that the sin in the garden of Eden was sexual in nature. I believe that Noahs flood was local, due to the descendants of Adam race mixing and corrupting their line. I believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God, and not God the son. I believe that the promises made to both the kingdoms of Israel, the houses of Israel and Judah, are still valid. The northern kingdom of Israel now find their identity in the Protestant celto anglo Saxon nations. But most of modern Jewry is not Judah. I do not believe in the immortal soul. No saints are currently in heaven. The hope of the believer is the physical resurrection.
You claim you have beliefs and understandings not found in Christianity. Well that's because they are not biblical beliefs nor are they Christian beliefs, they are Armstrongion beliefs from the defunct WWCG cult.
Napoleon, I wasn't raised in BI and like you, when I first heard of it, thought no way can it be true. But have you ever actually looked into it? Think of these promises made c to Israel: Become a multitude of people as countless as the stars (Genesis 15:5) Become a nation and a community (commonwealth) of nations (Genesis 35:10-11; 48:19) Become established in another land they did not know outside Palestine (2 Samuel 7:10-11) To settle in the "isles of the sea", north and west of Palestine (Isaiah 24:14-15; 49:1,12; 59:19; Jeremiah 3:12-18, 23:8, 31:7-8, 10). To never cease to be a nation before God (Jeremiah 31:35-37) To crush all other empires and used as a weapon in the hand of God to defeat other gentile nations (Daniel 2:34-45; Jeremiah 51:20) To grow to become the fifth world empire (Daniel 2:44; Romans 11:25) To possess the gates of its enemies (Genesis 22:17-18) Must be a sea power (Psalm 89:25; Numbers 24:7) Must have immense colonies, inheriting and colonizing the desolate place, islands afar off, coastlands and ends of the earth (Isaiah 49:8; 54:3; Jeremiah 31:8,10) To retain its monarchy and have a descendant of David as King or Queen ruling over them (1 Chronicles 22:10; 2 Chronicles 13:5; Jeremiah 33:17-26; 33:19-26; 2 Samuel 7:13-16) To speak another language different from Hebrew (Isaiah 28:11) Become the chief of nations (Deuteronomy 26:19; Amos 6:1) To be blessed with great wealth (Deuteronomy 8:18; 33:13-17) Known worldwide for it’s crops, lamb and beef (Deuteronomy 28:3-14) To be a blessing to mankind showing the fruits of righteousness (Matthew 21:43; Genesis 18:18) Become a great missionary people taking Christianity around the globe (Isaiah 27:6; 43:21; 44:3-5; 49:6; Mark 16:15 & Matthew 7:20) To be a Christian nation (Hosea 1:10; Isaiah 9:2,8; 45:17-19, 25; 48:20; 49:3) Who fulfils these? Jews in Palestine?
I’m a COGOP pastor who has been watching your channel since we were all locked away for COVID in 2020. After you dropped those videos on the Church of God (Cleveland, TN) and on the IPHC, I wondered if you would ever say anything about us. You made my hopes and dreams come true. The most serious denominations study TH-camr did a video on my denomination. Yay!
I pastor in the Church of God. Sorta makes us cousins lol. Bless ya brother
@@chris2fur401If you drop the sectarian nonsense, you are brothers in Christ. 1 Cor 1.
I’m a COGOP pastor as well. It is indeed rare to see us discussed at all. It is even more rare to see us discussed accurately. I admire this young man and his efforts. Also. Greetings to you as well. Looking forward to meeting in Orlando later this month 🙌🏾🙏🏽
@@chris2fur401Bless you Brother
@@robertcain3426yes, we’re brothers in Christ as well.
As a fourth Generation COGOP kid, I greatly appreciate this video! You did a great job! Especially for covering all of this in 15 minutes!
I grow up in The Church of God (Charleston, TN) Oscar Pimentel as General Overseer which separated from the COGOP in 1993 so I’ve had access to most of the Assemble Minutes, COGOP Books, Magazines and other publications and Josh has done an excellent job at introducing the Church of God of Prophecy from all sides from a historical, theological and current point of view. Great job Josh!!!
Sad that they broke away, I grew up in a COGOP that still holds to the same doctrine of divorce that caused them to split. I was told it was up to the pastor. Heard there’s rumors of all of them combining again, hope it happens! God Bless!
Thank you for your accurate portrayal of our church. It’s rare indeed to see us portrayed at all, and even more rare to be portrayed accurately. Thank you very much. May God continue to bless you.
Thanks for govering this! I grew up in this church so its good to see it get coverage
Thank you for sharing! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Rejecting the Sabbath laws and still adhering to tithing is logically inconsistent. The tithing laws would have been fulfilled with the rest of the Mosaic Laws, so they can't be applied to contemporary houses of worship. Not to mention, tithing was for the Levites to receive their share of the inheritance.
Money complicates logic.
I agree. Tithing is not a requirement for today and part of the handwriting of ordinances that was against us and what was nailed to the Cross. Those who make tithing binding on believers in this present dispensation of Grace are mixing up Law and Gospel as they tend to do so on other matters of faith and practice also.
In three separate instances in the New Testament the provision of those who labor in the Gospel is taught using the provision of the priests through tithing and offerings as the example.
What does paul mean when he says...
1 Corinthians 9:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
@@Keonny77
He was talking about freewill offerings and hospitality being shown by God's people not paying a set amount or percentage. Paul also laboured with his own hands when the situation required such in his craft as a tent maker and usually when ministering in a given area for a longer period of time.
Nice to see you again Josh
I felt this was a fair analysis/description, thank you.
Thanks! I wondered what they were. It sounds like my kind of people.
Thank you. I have been wanting to learn more about this denomination!!
Beautiful videos. Please consider a video on the 6 million member Church of God in Christ, founded by Bishop C.H. Mason!
I've been in COGOP all my life, and this is the first time i've heard of it being "pre-trib".
It is in the teachings of the CoGoP under Pre-Millennial Second Coming of Jesus.
@@GPpastorE hello brother Dixon. I’m in the doctrine page, under Pre-Mill Second Coming. I don’t see any references to Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, nor Post-Tribulation. It generalizes He is coming to resurrect the dead saints and to catch away the living; then the millennial reign.
I think it's one of those things that kinda varies from congregation to congregation. I've been in COGOP all my life as well and from what I've seen from pastors in my area, I think the general consensus is PreTrib, but there are definitely exceptions, such as my pastor. Personally, I think it's one of those issues that doesn't directly affect the basics of Christianity. As long as we agree he's returning, I don't think it's a big deal to disagree when he that will be. We just need to be ready when he does.
@@bluebomb2047 amen!
Pre-Trib and Pre-Milennial are separate things. All beliefs on the rapture(pre/mid/post) occurr before the millennial reign so the official teaching of COGOP has always been Pre-Milennial because by scriptural definition that's when the rapture will take place, "When" exactly in relation to the Great Tribulation has always been been left up to believer although AJ Tomlinson was very much in the Pre-Trip camp having answered a question in the Assembly in regards to the Mark of the Beast by stating "it doesn't matter, we won't be here anyway".
This is a new one on me, I've never heard of them
I have been part of a COGOP church for the past 25 years, and we have never done foot washing. I don't think anyone is theologically opposed to the idea, it's just never something we've done.
We have, and still practice feet washing.
It used to be more common. I remember it regularly 2000s at my church.
You pastor should do it when you take communion
My church upbringing was in the COGOP. I was taught that there is an important distinction between the COGOP and all other church groups.
As a result of special revelation the COGOP sees herself exclusively as THE one true church. It's odd this prominent part of church identity was not mentioned in this video.
While we still believe in the revelation of AJ Tominson. However, we no longer believe in the exclusivity of the Church of God of Prophecy as the one true church. That was actually never an official teaching. But it was presented that way to the point that many thought it was the official teaching.
I’ve been in COGOP all my life and I’ve never heard that, I thought that was only a Church of Christ thing?
Would love to see you do a video on Church of God with Signs Following, or the history of five signs of Mark 16 belivers as a whole!
Would he be able to handle them? ;)
Would love a video on the various flags of different denominations, the COGOP flag is very interesting
interesting, i agree with most of their takes
Perhaps you might want to consider doing videos about these interdenominational organizations.
I used to watch a program on Christian TV hosted by a man named Elwood Matthews. He was a COGOP minister. He sometimes delivered his sermons at Field of the Woods. I liked his sermons. The ones on TV were in a general evangelical vein. He studiously avoided anything too extreme in the Holiness vein, and he never talked about charismatic gifts such as speaking in tongues. If he had, I probably wouldn't have watched him.
About twenty years ago, somebody tried to plant a COGOP church in my town. It didn't take root, so it wasn't long before it shriveled up and blew away.
I loved Bishop Matthews. He was our State Bishop in Florida years ago. The Voice of Salvation was targeted to a more general audience and meant as a foundational type program. However, Bishop Matthews did believe , preach, and practice the biblical doctrine of spiritual gifts, healing, and speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. His messages that he preached to a Church of God of Prophecy audience were still sound in doctrine but were more intense and often delved deeper than the VOS messages. Like the apostle Paul, he “became all things to all men “ that he might save some. (See 1 Corinthians 9:19-22)
Baptists trying to not start new churches challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
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Mention might be made pg Homer Aubrey Tomlinson, a son of Ambrose. In 1962, at the University of British Columbia, he declared himself "King of UBC" and "King of the World".[2] On October 7, 1966, Bishop Tomlinson planned to crown himself King of the World or "King of All Nations of Men" in Jerusalem.
Ahhh my church my church my church
Can you do a video on the Mar Thoma church?
I would really like to see someone talk about young vs old creationism and it's different aspects with different religions but I don't know of any channel that presents it as thoughtfully and througrough as either you or Matt Baker (which is how I found this channel). Any thoughts? I did search you both and couldn't find anything unless it's included in a document diff titled video
You forgot to tell us how AJ Tomlinson climbed up a mountain during a lightning storm, to ask G_d for a sign for whether or not he should start a new church. Well after waiting for a few hours, lightning struck the mountain. There ya go!
It would’ve been more significant to do this on the 12th of February at half noon, but you only ask for what you expect.
Hearing thunder during a storm merely signifies you’re not deaf. It says absolutely nothing about how long an SUV can be before we admit they’re just vans with four doors instead of two sliding doors at the side. That’s all. No amount of lightning and thunder’s gonna change my mind.
Your so funny!
Wow, I've got to give COGOP a lot of credit here.
I was raised as a Southern Baptist, in a church which mainly held OSAS and pre-trib pre-mil dispensationalist views. I later became convinced Catholicism was correct for a variety of historical and scriptural reasons; but I wonder if I'd have been less-likely to make that leap if I'd been raised COGOP.
Don't misunderstand: I still think, in good conscience, that I arrived at the correct view. But part of what made me work extra-hard at research was the clear disconnect between the church offices present my childhood church, and those in the post-apostolic, pre-canonization period (roughly 100 AD to 400 AD). Likewise the cavalier attitude towards remarriage after divorce: They wouldn't have _called_ it cavalier, mind you; but in practice a minister didn't do much inquiry before agreeing to officiate at a "wedding" of civilly-divorced persons whose former spouses were (a.) Christians, and (b.) still living. But it seems to me that COGOP comes a lot closer to the practice of the Early Church; and for that reason, the disconnect would have been a bit less obvious to me.
I do think COGOP still has some -oddities- _unique points._ Foot-washing as an ordinance is one; another is grape-juice instead of wine. Not a lot of historical warrant for the first being an ordinance; and so far as I can see there's _no_ Scriptural or historical warrant for the second. Still, as "reconstructionist" approaches to Christian faith and practice go, they get pretty high marks. Nice job, brothers & sisters!
UPDATE: I see someone else in this comment-thread (@1989barker) saying they've attended a COGOP church for 25 years without ever doing foot-washing. So...that's a little odd. @Ready to Harvest is usually spot-on accurate, but I can't imagine a church considering Rite XYZ to be an "ordinance" in the same category with communion and baptism, and yet _not do it_ at least once a year! (I'd have thought an Easter service the most-likely occasion.) So...I wonder what the disconnect is?
To understand the foot washing confusion it has to be known that what was not explained at all in any way was that COGOP made a shift in doctrine and polity back in the early 1990's. Prior to that time they held doctrines in the realm of Divorce and Remarriage teaching that it was only Biblically permissable to remarry once your first spouse had passed away. They also taught against wearing of jewelry of any kind including wedding rings. These beliefs were held from the inception of the Church. Before the 1990's foot washing was practiced very regularly but since that time while still an official ordinance on paper is not very widely practiced. In 1993 a group separated themselves and reorganized as The Church of God, of which I am a member, and they/we practice feet washing several times a year. I hope this helps.
@@michaelgale5347: Actually, yes, that helps tremendously. Thanks!
Follow-up question (if you don't mind): Did the 1993 group (of which you are a member) separate themselves in order to be -- I'm not sure how to put this, so forgive me if I just try out a bunch of labels -- more conservative/traditionalist/originalist/rigorist, as opposed to liberal/drifting/lax?
And if so, did they see maintaining the foot-washing-as-ordinance practice as an example of this originalist/traditionalist staying-the-course?
And, did they likewise maintain the prohibition against remarriage (other than after the death of the spouse)?
Thanks!
@@cw-on-yt I've been in COGOP all my life and I guess it varies depending on the leaders in your church. We usually have foot washing after communion and personally, I think it's a great thing to practice. It's a great way to practice humility and servitude towards our brethren in Christ when you're washing their dirty feet. Lol. Also, I think it's important to remember just how low Jesus put himself when he washed his disciples feet. It was a job for the least of the servants of the house at the time. Not only that, back then they didn't have socks and closed toed shoes to protect their feet. They were walking on dirt road, stepping on rocks that would cut their feet, and I'm sure they stepped in the occasional pile of feces from time to time. Its just amazing to me to think about that the God of all creation lowered himself to the point of literally washing the crap off of fishermen's feet. What a loving God we serve!
I loved you questions, respect, and seeking of further understanding. It was academically refreshing compared to the present day rage, screaming, finger pointing, etc. I really appreciate your literal aura. God bless! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@heydavis4168 : Aww. 🙂 Thanks for your kind words.
By all means, let us make an effort to be at peace with all men, but especially our brothers and sisters in the Lord. God willing, we Christians can become especially well-known for being gracious when we interact online. (Courtesy as evangelism! You'd think it shouldn't be _that_ difficult, for people with the Holy Spirit in their hearts and James 3 in their heads!)
Best to you and yours,
CW
I've watched many of your videos and noticed a theme: many different denominations have doctrines or rules that prohibit the rights of women to serve as leaders in the church. Are there any denominations that restrict the rights of men to serve as leaders?
Possibly in some other religions there may be such a thing, but within Christianity the gender-based restrictions are based on certain Biblical texts. Since the Bible doesn't put any restrictions on men, there's no real reason a denomination would have such a restriction.
*A tiny group will investigate the supernatural bible changes and help warn their Brothers and Sisters about them, the masses will hear Jesus explaining it all at the Gate. God commanded us to ''prove all things'' and I'd obey Him if I were you.* ❤✝️💪
Too many denominations.
But why? The reason is Christianity divorced itself from its roots in the 2nd century. Jesus, Paul and John all preach the religion of Abraham, and all prophecy was fulfilled. Grace was redefined as unmerited but only in Christianity, making it grace whatever you want it to be in each denomination.
I started 10 years ago with the same question as you, and my study found the true religion of the NT, and I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' to bring the truth.
Evolution is not an "alternative" to biology and geology, evolution is consistent with what we learn from biology and geology
yes and no. Evolution in the Darwinian sense of one common ancestor is not even scientifically valid because there isn't a single shred of evidence. Geology's "fossil column" is nonsense where hard science is concerned.
Even more, the idea of evolution from a chemical primordial soup to living things is not remotely scientific because it violates laws of physics.
Micro evolution is where biology does lend support. Nobody argues that adaptation within a kind occurs, but there is no mechanism for an organism to put extra information into its own DNA to create anything that isn't already there.
Hi Joshua
I am a victim of the COG...I had a male from the church with his mother target me specifically with government grants, repeat of past abuse, stalking, theft, promulgating fake divorce to elevate his brother in the church and he later married a Hispanic that was also a pastor in the church...his attorney also with him represented me without notification in a jurisdiction then purposely and fraudulently perpetrated a divorce in order to steal the aforementioned positions and possessions. I believe they destroy your life so you'll "come to Jesus" even though you were already saved before they showed up.
This prophecy made some people upset.
Interesting video. I thought they were kind of "exclusivie" back in the days, a bit like the Seventh-day Adventists who call themselves the Remnant Church and don't really associate with the other evangelicals. I may be wrong or it was just not mentionned.
I grew up in COGOP. They used to teach that they were "THE CHURCH" but they don't anymore.
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He didn't mention the flag or the logo of the Church of God of Prophecy
Grew up in this legalistic abusive church. Left on my own at age 17, no regrets.
So many splinters from Christ Jesus. So many of them want to only focus on the New Testament as the "only rule of faith and practice", while ignoring the important rules of faith and practice from the Old Testament. They go hand in hand, yet because the NT is more forgiving, kind and 'nice' to people, they naturally gravitate only towards the message of 'love' and 'peace' and discount the same God of the Old Testament who represents order, law and obedience as well. But if some religion picks "God is Love" as the only message to spread and forget also that God has no room for winking at sin (LGBTQ+) and lifestyles of this world, they are leaving out important spiritual food for people to eat. Veggies and all, not just dessert.
Do you have a denomination? If so, what is it?
you have described so call Progressive Christianity but i don't think this church practices Progressive Christianity as described in the video.
Yes. People misunderstand what it means to be under grace and so wrongly assume that the law has been done away with.
I would go further and say that the church has not replaced Israel, so understanding from the old testament who the houses of Judah and Israel actually are, helps get a better learning of end time prophecies.
Would be possible to explain to us your biblical views on the most basic of 'What you Believe'?
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If you're tired of following man-made traditions, come follow this tradition I just made!
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Coffee is addictive and is q schedule i drug, ir atleast was.they love coffee - who doesn't say.
I got out of this church and I will never be a member again controlling horrible cult
People feel this way in every church don’t feel so excited about it…lol
Whenever 2 or 3 are gathered, you have a new Protestant denomination.
This is more of an Evangelical thing, and I think they should drop the name Protestant. True Protestants are in the spirit of the REFORMation, not this restorationist stuff where all liturgy and tradition is practically held in contempt.
The lord is with them
Sounds like heresy to me.
what sounded like heresy to you?
@asdfasdff747 To preach as he does or as all protestants do while at the same time, deny scripture specifically John chapter 20 vrs 21-23 or John 6 vrs 53-58, all they just keep on saying is the same old rhetoric of either sola fida or justication or by his grace. Yes, these are valid, I am not denying them, but they are invalid on their own without practising what I sent in those two text then doing everything else but not what I said make everything that protestant's do or say invalid. As an analogy you have a book that tells you how to operate machinery safely. You decide that some of those instructions are not valid or that you might reword the instructions to mean something different. Now do you think that to operate that machine according to the instructions that you reworded and altered would be safe for anyone to use. Because that is exactly what Protestant's Anglicans, and Non-denominationals have been doing telling half the story and throwing away the other half.
I mean evolution is real whether or not they acknowledge it lmao and the last time water covered the whole earth, humans weren't on it. As an anthropologist and a christian (Coptic Orthodox) idk why they think there's a conflict
False brother and infiltrator.
NGL. I've never responded to a yt comment before 😂
I don't know what this person is tryin say to me
You claim to be an anthropologist, but you're not smart enough to figure it out? I think that says it all!
Christians shouldn’t insinuate a bad word in their comments either but that’s another story for another time
@@chris2fur401 Are you saying I should have come out and called the OP stupid, or are you saying Christians aren't allowed to point out when something is not smart at all?
Hyper charismatic cult.
We aren’t charismatic. We are Pentecostal Holiness. And in order. Thanks though
False prophets, false gifts,heretical teachings it's still a cult.
@@alainblanchard910 🤣🤣🤣
I’m not CGP but be careful what you say about those who are a part of the Bride of Christ. Jesus don’t play about his Church.
@@moniquewrites9046 2Peter2:1-22
I struggle to pigeon hole myself in terms of denomination categorisation.
I am Protestant, adhering to the five solas, but have beliefs or understandings not common in mainstream evangelicalism.
I accept the concept of the gap theory and understand that various orders of creation existed before the six day restoration account of Genesis 1.
I believe Adam was the first Adamite, albeit the people created in Genesis 1 are of different races.
I believe that the sin in the garden of Eden was sexual in nature.
I believe that Noahs flood was local, due to the descendants of Adam race mixing and corrupting their line.
I believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God, and not God the son.
I believe that the promises made to both the kingdoms of Israel, the houses of Israel and Judah, are still valid. The northern kingdom of Israel now find their identity in the Protestant celto anglo Saxon nations. But most of modern Jewry is not Judah.
I do not believe in the immortal soul.
No saints are currently in heaven.
The hope of the believer is the physical resurrection.
You claim you have beliefs and understandings not found in Christianity.
Well that's because they are not biblical beliefs nor are they Christian beliefs, they are Armstrongion beliefs from the defunct WWCG cult.
So British Israelism? How? That makes no sense
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Napoleon, I wasn't raised in BI and like you, when I first heard of it, thought no way can it be true.
But have you ever actually looked into it?
Think of these promises made c to Israel:
Become a multitude of people as countless as the stars (Genesis 15:5)
Become a nation and a community (commonwealth) of nations (Genesis 35:10-11; 48:19)
Become established in another land they did not know outside Palestine (2 Samuel 7:10-11)
To settle in the "isles of the sea", north and west of Palestine (Isaiah 24:14-15; 49:1,12; 59:19; Jeremiah 3:12-18, 23:8, 31:7-8, 10).
To never cease to be a nation before God (Jeremiah 31:35-37)
To crush all other empires and used as a weapon in the hand of God to defeat other gentile nations (Daniel 2:34-45; Jeremiah 51:20)
To grow to become the fifth world empire (Daniel 2:44; Romans 11:25)
To possess the gates of its enemies (Genesis 22:17-18)
Must be a sea power (Psalm 89:25; Numbers 24:7)
Must have immense colonies, inheriting and colonizing the desolate place, islands afar off, coastlands and ends of the earth (Isaiah 49:8; 54:3; Jeremiah 31:8,10)
To retain its monarchy and have a descendant of David as King or Queen ruling over them (1 Chronicles 22:10; 2 Chronicles 13:5; Jeremiah 33:17-26; 33:19-26; 2 Samuel 7:13-16)
To speak another language different from Hebrew (Isaiah 28:11)
Become the chief of nations (Deuteronomy 26:19; Amos 6:1)
To be blessed with great wealth (Deuteronomy 8:18; 33:13-17)
Known worldwide for it’s crops, lamb and beef (Deuteronomy 28:3-14)
To be a blessing to mankind showing the fruits of righteousness (Matthew 21:43; Genesis 18:18)
Become a great missionary people taking Christianity around the globe (Isaiah 27:6; 43:21; 44:3-5; 49:6; Mark 16:15 & Matthew 7:20)
To be a Christian nation (Hosea 1:10; Isaiah 9:2,8; 45:17-19, 25; 48:20; 49:3)
Who fulfils these?
Jews in Palestine?
@@geordiewishart1683 Heretic.