Ya because without the comments we wouldn’t be able get all the deep and wise words that get posted. We will miss the the valuable “first!” comment, you tube comments are filled with language of philosophers and teachers.
@@senoow4215 Don't see how. Perhaps you're seeing too much emphasis on the word "trust". It's not like I'm now going to take everything he says as gospel. It's far too common for people to be educated yet not intelligent, especially in today's world, and those are the people who have the loudest voices in today's society.
@@halowaffles more the "among most" part but i agree with u, tho i think that guy is obvi addicted to heroin but doesn't wanna admit it lol, i wouldn't trust him with much
This year my brother was diagnosed with schizophrenia. We’re both in our 20s and live in a house with our best friends. He developed it over a period of about 4 to 6 months. As he continued to be more and more delusional he just became a lot more scary and violent to be around. If you confront him in any way about anything he was saying which was usually a bunch of nonsense, but was very real to him. He also started using meth which just made him exceptionally more paranoid. At one point he called the police because he thought the house was surrounded by people that wanted to kill him. But he forgot he called the police and “when people with guns” knocked at the door he freaked out and when they came in he started crawling on the floor trying to get away from them. My brother is one of my favorite people in the entire universe, he used to be such an inspiration and joy to be around. At this point he is in a facility and finally on the medication he needs. But I feel guilty as a human being because I honestly don’t want to be around him after the things I’ve had to experience because of him. As he slowly developed schizophrenia he pushed everyone his life away except for me I was the only person who’s there for him who did everything he ever asked for but he still thought I was against him
Im sorry to hear that, I dont think amphetamine use directly contributed to his illness, more the lack of sleep and loss of appetite caused by over use of amphetamine. I also think this is recoverable allthough not in a hospital situation as he is now permanently diagnosed, forcefully medicated and locked up involuntarily without committing a crime. I dont know the solution but i do know that his human rights are being violated. I wen through a rough patch similar to what you described, i needed a "time out' Luckily i escaped, recovered and have been ok for nearly 20 years. i had alot of stress at the time with a dying son who survived and is ok now along with marijuana withdrawal symptoms that for me manifests as loss of appetite, insomnia and night sweats leading to the mental issues. I just needed some rest and care but was almost diagnosed permanently, my life was almost ruined by the mental health system and by my loved ones who cared a bit too much, now we realize the truth of the system. Im not saying his case is the same, just giving you something to think about. I hope he gets well but will never be the same if involved with the mental health system. I was lucky to escape the loony bin , recover then pay 500 bucks for a re-diagnosis or normality (whatever that is) and to be discharged and have the police stop looking for me but i have not ever heard of another escaping the system. I dont know what the solution is for your brother, maybe a restraining order? I dont think the solution is the abuse of his human rights though unless he is a criminal. This is not "minority report" I hope he gets better without too much damage by the system. i dont know what is worse, the illness or the treatment?? All the best, please dont take offense, i just wanted to give another perspective on this issue. I dont have the answers either, i only know what is not :(
Bro my prayers out for your brother, I don't have anything to say to you as I've no experience like yours whatsoever but stay strong brother! Be by your brothers side! Don't regret later!
Interesting video. I started smoking at the end of high school, a decent amount in college, then after college for a few years. I was never someone who could be high all day, just more of a social thing or when I wanted to relax. Then 5 or 6 years ago when I was around 24 or 25, I remember getting paranoia every time I smoked. Nothing crazy like people trying to kill me, just a general sense of anxiety and people mocking me or my insecurities coming out, but it was very intense. I never experienced that when I was younger, even though there were times I was high as hell. I am a very social person and confident, but weed made me the literal opposite; introverted, scared, etc. I started researching and found scientists believe many things, but the two prevailing theories are: 1) weed can induce schizophrenia (or episodes) when someone is genetically prone to it and 2) physiologically a part of your brain can be more sensitive to THC, thus triggering either the pleasure feeling or paranoid feeling. I can't remember which part of the brain whether it was front back right or left, but I know they experimented on rats and found that to be true. Anyway, I quit trying to like weed because I used to like it, and stopped altogether. I find so many people are stubborn and want to like something, so they keep doing it even though it causes them harm.
Good to hear that you quit man, strong move. I have a very similar story and quit aswell. First couple of years it was amazing; relaxing, lots of laughter, increased appetite, increased focus, it even made me think more deeply and profound. Then after a couple of years, same thing started to happen. Slowly damaging the relationships around me and when I finally recognized that that was a problem, I was very confused how it started.. since it went good for years.. (I was getting high grades at school, I had lots of friends, I had a side job with lots of responsibilities) Everything was really good when I was smoking for a couple of years. Also not a daily smoker like you said. More like weekends, parties, events, sometimes holidays. Then I just cold turkey quit, now been off it for like 3 years, smoked about 2 joints since, same feeling of paranoia came back. Maybe it's the amount of stress/responsibility we are now carrying that doesn't really go well with cannabis. Or our system just had enough from the substance.. idk. But I would still be curious to know how this evolved the way it did man. Anyway, I've evolved more than ever since I quit it and also have a vision now, whereas when I was smoking, I just totally lived in the moment or one day at a time. Hope to hear more about what you're thinking man, keep up the strong moves.
I’d say it made me more paranoid as I got older, but a lot of that was due to becoming an adult. There is a lot more things for an adult that cause anxiety and this can actually be heightened with marijuana. Specifically the fear of losing job, freedom, kids, etc. Since marijuana is illegal most places the paranoia becomes to much and takes away the good part about marijuana. Instead of laughing your praying you don’t get fired the next day due to a drug test. I’d say if society accepted it and it was 100% legal it would be different and people could relax. Until then I’m with you and haven’t touched it in several years.
As a caregiver for the last decade, one of the most common things in the schizophrenic patients I cared for were excessive meth use and LARGE quantities of Acid/LSD in their past.
Schizophrenia has existed since long before those substances exist but I’m sure the stress they put the body and mind under could increase the risk for sure
we got experience to work in a mental institution for a month and yea thatidcry is right. cyes auses of mental illness can vary but most adult patients are tend to be an addict
@@MichelleSmith-cf6ys isn't schizophrenia removed from DSM since DSM-2 though? Because we are now using DSM-5... How do you explain that? Schizophrenia and Homosexuality were both classified as mental illnesses in DSM-2 but were removed from DSM-3 and beyond. 🤔
Exactly. i wasnt much of a sleeper even before those things and can tell those tendencies years later are beginning to creep up but with full awareness it isnt real, but its like a jump scare in a movie. unpleasant but that's generally how i saw it too, because it was lsd then lsd and cocaine then lsd then speed. so i saw quite a bit of schizophrenic and delusion filled [people who could afford to be drug addicts i generally couldnt but its awful. all of them were jay walkers weirdly enough. all shoplifted things which werent worth more than a pencil case... i mean im struggling but i'm here, i cant imagine what it'd be like to be screwed up know it and know you can do something about it but dont want to. how the hallucinations hit some of those people socially....is frightening. think a low functioning psychosis and meth releases more than sex or cocaine (dopamine wise) with serotonin on top and hopefully not the full syndrome. so you combine sleep deprivation with that your in trouble. when i was 15 and obviously sober i knew anything day three forward meant you could predictably guess the hallucinations that would come but theyd still shock you. even if you knew they werent real. a good example is shooting up in the bathroom schizophrenia and hallucination wise. because before you shoot say a amphetamine it could be a clean toilet/bathroom and then afterwards you could imagine mess and then it feels like the right thing to do to clean it, thats where i suspect the whole cleaning thing and interest in fixing things comes from. complete delusion and its generally stimulants in high doses, faster delivery methods or without any sleep. acid is a hallucinogen i wouldnt say thats schizophrenia its vastly different what you see and hear in those instances. like i can sit here right now sober and totally remember that.
I have noticed this as well, from personal experience watching my ex and his friends over the course of 25 years. The symptoms could be genetic but those drugs will cause it in those without that predisposition. Meth makes their brain Swiss cheese it’s literally draino
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You're telling me every time I have a commercial it starts from the beginning again if you only knew how frustrating that is anybody else having that problem I'm talking about Spotify
Then don't listen to him.. I stopped the day he left TH-cam and took his library with him... Spotify owns him now and it's never going to be the same again..
Weed can also cause depersonalization, I'd love to see Joe touch on this subject with an informed guest, depersonalization is not very well known but it does affect quite a lot of people.
Agree. Dealt with depersonalization and derealization for a little bit on top of post-concussion syndrome. Not fun & often not spoken about in conversations about mental health.
@@AaronAlert77 oh ok , no sense of ego is good tho is it not? Accepting that the world , the universe isn’t all about me and that my atoms will one day be redistributed to this earth
“I don’t want to bastardize his model and way of thinking about it” What a respectful man. Most people I feel, like to explain things they don’t even understand to try and come of as knowledgeable.
I had severe sleep deprivation after a traumatic event for myself and they tried to diagnose me with schizophrenia before attempting to treat the sleep deprivation. I very much believe that sleep deprivation is related to it.
Definitely, also stress and loss of appetite. These things are also side effects of many drugs. I am sure you can draw the correct lines to the point i am trying to make here. Take care, when you have these symptoms, try to realize the cause and that they will subside and try not to get caught up in the mental health system otherwise you will be diagnosed permanently and it is very hard, if not impossible to escape this diagnosis and forced treatment
@@azraelblick4117 Yep, DEF, that is the problem with cannabis, is stops REM sleep causing you not to dream then when you stop smoking the dreams come back vividly as you incure a REM sleep debt.
@Bootamate i am glad to hear nothing bad happened and you recovered. Many people have suffered the same as you but unfortunately for them, their loved oned cared abit too much and had hem permanently diagnosed with a mental illness and had their lives ruined. It sounds unbelievable but it happens all the time if someone has taken a prohibited drug and suffers this type of common brain fatigue.
Terribly scary thing, my sister developed it recently, she got to 11-12 and just changed, often fell out with friends thinking they were against her. Struggled to keep any friends for any length of time, isolated herself especially as she got older. At 21 my mom would hear her having conversations with herself from the other room. Within a few months this turned into awful suicide attempts, multiple stays in mental hospitals. Luckily enough, a few months later she seems to be on the mend with medication. She still doesn’t open up about what she was hearing or what was bothering her much though, terribly sad.
A friend of mine lovingly raised a deaf person suffering from schizophrenia and described the affliction to me in the most eloquent explanation I have ever heard. His mind generates confusion with a multitude of variable thoughts all at the same time, he then has to choose which thoughts are the best to act on at every moment of his existence. A hug was determined to be the best way to bridge the channel toward communication so now when he recognizes a person he needs a hug from them first so he can concentrate on a conversation with them. A strapping example of a vital young man now, his infectious smile gives him all the hugs he could ever want and my hat is off to his mother for making him the way he is today.
That would be because it is impossible. You cannot make the diagnosis while someone is under the influence. Most hard drugs can create all the symptoms, especially when combined with sleep deprivation.
I think we need to be specific that they weren’t mental health hospitals( they were mental institutions. Basically places we would mostly-permanently send people with mental health conditions and give them pills until they died. That system needed to go. But! It should’ve been replaced by actual mental health services.
@@vitaly6312 What would actual mental health services do differently? A lot of the homeless people around me have severe mental health problems and will sometimes violently refuse help. Without mental institutions monitoring them to make sure they take medication, I doubt they would take it
@@vitaly6312 well there’s no other solution these people have to be isolated and put into these institutions. We shouldn’t have to have homeless people ruin our cities because they are mostly unfortunately mentally ill.
You are? Please do not touch Meth. My ex-boyfriend had this split personality and I saw two sides of him. He started using Meth and is now dead. He burned alive last month doing PCP, Ketamine, Heroin, Meth, and DMT. Oh and Acid. I'm still trying to figure out why his family didn't listen to me to get him help. I mean, burning alive! His family was extremely rich and so was my ex. No one deserves to die like that
Man my childhood best friend from age 7 to 25 got Schizophrenia. I watched it unfold and it broke my heart. He was always very introverted as a kid and we all thought as an adult he would open up. We all smoked weed, played videogames, and joked around. Then one day he flipped and said some imaginary people above his apartment were inside of his head. I tried for years to "talk" or "coach" him out of it but it didn't work. Ever since then, I stopped smoking weed and had to abandon our friendship because he is now in an institution of some sort. It's sad every time I think about it.
Man I had a friend go into mania and a group of friends and I had to have an intervention because his schizophrenia was getting bad. This clip is making me relive that night and how much better it could have went. Handling someone with schizophrenia can be so hard and painful.
From descriptions of schizophrenia it sounds like to me people are dreaming while awake. They dont typically sleep much. But the body still attempts rem sleep to rest the mind causing a mix of reality and dreams. Almost a biological augmented reality
That's how I'd describe psychosis.. to the extent which it's hard to differentiate waking life from dream life. And the mind relies on funny dream logic instead of... well logic.
My best friend from 4th grade went schizophrenic off meth and no sleep. His brain ended up not being able to tell whether he was sleeping or awake.(auditory and visual do I believe he had a pre disposition but i also remember a Dr saying it was drug induced Schizophrenia from NO Sleep
Trying to develop schizophrenia purposely might be very risky for the guy. I've had voices in my head for about two years. When it first started, these auditory hallucinations were on another level. Made me realize how powerful the brain really is.
I don't think he was trying to induce schizophrenia, just a schizophrenia-like experience temporarily. It's not known how well high amphetamine doses mimic schizophrenia, but use of these drugs to induce psychosis is a big part in why schizophrenia medication was developed specifically to block dopamine - they created something close enough for lack of a better term to the disorder, at least enough to create treatments that work quite well.
A bad trip with LSD launched years of recurring psychosis. I lost my grip on reality. You have no idea how precious that is until you realize it could disappear. I would slip in and out at random times. I had to stop smoking weed because it would cause an immediate relapse. I don't know how to explain it other than: my stream of consciousness stays the same--I am still me and think my own thoughts--but gets trapped in my own mind unable to access the "real world". There is no sense of proprioception and my connection to reality disappears. Oddly I could hear other people fine--it was always visual. Up was down, left was down, right was forward, my internal organs are in another state and the person's face talking to me is melting through the space my skull should have been. It would happen randomly and would only really last for maybe two to six seconds. Long enough I earned a bad, but deserved, reputation amongst my coworkers for spacing out. It is so terrifying because even though each time would only last a few seconds, I would wonder if the next time would be permanent and I wouldn't be able to find a way back. I would have difficulty speaking for a while after those slips--usually up to half an hour or so. I could think what I wanted to say but there was a disconnection between my brain and my mouth. I would get lost in the complexity of human grammar and be unable to formulate a coherent thought. It was so fucking embarassing. I could hear other people speak clear as day but my ability to get my own consciousness out and express it had left the building. Maybe the best visual representation is that moment in Get Out when he goes to the sunken place, but make the sunken place a kaleidoscope of random colors and smeared images that warp and twist without any respect to a normal XYZ dimension. I was dead sober too--it would happen ten to twelve times a day at the worst. I stopped smoking weed like a week after the bad trip because if I smoked weed I would go to that bad place and stay there until I wasn't high anymore. It definitely exacerbated it. Going stone cold sober, investing into nootropics, and working on my mental health is what allowed me to get rid of it. It took me about three or four years to get completely back to my "normal". I had horrible, clinical OCD as a child as well--I washed my hands until they openly bled and had a bad counting tic--so I have a history of mental illness. I have no fucking clue why I thought my fucking brain could handle LSD. I don't know if this is how psychosis manifests in everyone, but I feel nothing but sympathy towards people who are stuck in that state their whole lives. Literally the most terrifying thing I have ever experienced. Drugs are not friendly to everyone and I think there needs to be more awareness around the mental dangers it can pose to people who are susceptible.
I developed a schizophrenic type of psychosis that lasted for two years after taking a heroic dose of shrooms. I had a 12 hour trip which I questioned myself and everything into non-existent. I came out of it completely unconvinced that anything really existed. Everything I knew was a lie. Many many things went wrong that night and it literally cost me every relationship in my life. I failed school and didn’t go to college. It took some time to get back up from that. Life turned serious in a way that I couldn’t have predicted.
Well said. I had a super bad trip on an edible and everything you said is so true. As I was tripping I was thinking of people who get stuck like that. Scary
@@chso8809 agree. This is where the prefix “doctor” should be distinguished from medical doctor. He can’t even pronounce homeostasis and yet he’s telling us that doing pure cocaine and heroin isn’t bad for us because he is a phd in the theoretical of pharmacology. Sorry, but that is unethical.
I could see it MAYBE in a hyper-controlled environment, administered by health care professionals. Similar to early LSD research with mental patients and alcoholics.
Great topic! My has been diagnosed with Schizophrenia. Most people have no idea that someone who has schizophrenia is actually more afraid of getting hurt than hurting someone else.
As a Schizophrenic, I could answer these so well. On the part about your social models. It's more like autism but like with autism you can teach yourself remodel in a way. I've done tons of drugs and they're similar so basically, your imagination is your worst enemy and depending on your mindset or how strongly willed you are you can be like anyone else just like say a shroom trip. Its basically the same its just worse because generally if you're diagnosed you're gonna have anxiety, depression, and other problems so its gonna make you have a "bad" trip but if you're happy and chilling like i am almost always there's no difference. Life's the same.
It’s interesting what they said about schizophrenia I have always had a problem with authority and it eventually led to drug addiction because as a kid I felt my voice wasn’t heard and it drove me crazy. I had depression since I was like 10 and very serious anger issues which I’ve now controlled having learnt a lot of stuff about psychology and cannabis actually helped me calm down and be more sort of flexible and working out gave me the confidence to stand on my own and become more social. So I mean I think adictive personality is a trait of many mental health sufferers and doesn’t necessarily correlate with drug use but can lead to it. It’s like seeking escape from your own mind
I would def say that yes it is linked. A half-sibling of mine was subjected to drug use when they were 13yrs old from their bio dad. Terrible things happened to them within just a short amount of time visiting the father, horrific things I won’t speak of. Said sibling became an addict & struggled with addiction til they were nearly 35yrs old. During that huge time period, they had been diagnosed with bipolar, which we thought was a misdiagnosis since they would hallucinate for days at a time. They had an episode about a year and a half ago, but they’ve been clean for years & was finally diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. Year & years of being in mental institutions & in & out of jail never helped them of course, but they’re finally doing awesome AS LONG AS they get REST! Sleep deprivation is what caused the last episode. People are so misunderstood nowadays. Don’t judge them. Try to help them if you can.
Most addicts have other issues going on however I think this guy is down playing how addictive opiates are. As someone who got injured and dependent on painkillers, trust me when I say it happens quickly. One minute you're in control and then the next, you're a slave to opiates!
You had underlying issues that drove the addiction. Chronic pain emotional pain suffering etc. Normal healthy people don't just become addicts it's the mentally weak. Hard to admit but true. It's how your brain is wired. Simple as that.
My ex is bipolar and schizophrenic. It seemed weed kept her calm, but alcohol ALWAYS sent her into a raging manic episode. I tried to coach her to please have only a little, but the screws loose in her brain made her want to get so annihilated to disconnect from the schizophrenic thoughts she was constantly burying,, that when she drank too much (always against my advice) she would start screaming crazy shit for HOURS. Total nightmare. Even after breakup cops and jail are always in her life. Very sad for these people
I learned this in a psychology class: Drugs cannot directly cause schizophrenia. Many people believe that schizophrenia is genetically inherrited. If, for example, one of your parents has schizophrenia the likelihood of you having schizophrenia is higher than if one of your distant cousins has this illness. It is more or less the potential to suffer this illness that is inherrited. This potential can be triggered by drugs.
If one of your parents is a Shaman, the chances of you being a Shaman are greater than if it were your cousin that were a Shaman. See the Connection between schizophrenia and Shamanism.
Once befriended a very kind and strong homeless man while working graveyard shifts. He was unfortunately suffering great trauma and severe schizophrenia, often telling strange stories of violence and drug busts. However, he also had a very special way of looking at the world, that there was 'dust' in the air that signaled the atmosphere of an area. He read the dust and knew what state our store was in at any moment, and his observations always proved correct. He would advise me in sagely ways as I deciphered his language. Often times I found that MY model was wrong, and that he had figured it out in a much more efficient way. There were lines in the circuits leading up to our large neon signs that only he could see. He knew.
@@noahdaly8484 I was attempting to test whether you were close to schizo and the fact that you even answered instead of assuming I was someone out to get you and disconnecting from the interaction tells me you’re fine
Yes there is as someone who smoked weed for about 13 years every single day I could tell I was getting more and more paranoid thought I was hearing stuff I wasn’t worrying about things that made no sense enough drug use for a long enough time can basically make you crazy
@@dillondebeer6690 amphetamines are dopamine agonists (meaning they mimic dopamine in the brain) and one early model of schizophrenia is dopamine hyperfunction (too much dopamine acting). So by doing amphetamines, you're essentially overloading your brain with dopamine which leads to delusions, hallucinations & psychosis.
I’m schizophrenic and absolutely it’s a lonely experience of life and I have to constantly tell myself that my friends and family aren’t trying to kill me/send me to jail and I smoke weed also which helps me cope with everything as long as i use my CBD with THC
When I was a young boy I would hallucinate when I got a high fever. I would see snakes on the ceiling, or feel as if I was going 1,000 miles per hour just laying in bed. And when my dad would come check on me and gave me a hug I felt as small as a point on a needle while seeing him as a giant. That's probably the closest thing I will experience when it comes to schizophrenia.
Man, this has happened to me as an adult. Its horrible. And when I slept my dreams would be like the most hellish bad trips. Fevers definitely mess with the brain.
Thank you for shedding light on a subject that lives in the dark. I’m very appreciative of you’re points of view. Thank you from the bottom of my ❤️. Hope and love are powerful in defeating mental illness.
I have paranoid schizophrenia, I used to use drugs frequently, even more Marijuana. When I used Marijuana was cool but always had a paranoia running in background. Today I can't use Marijuana, it makes me feel like I have a demon on my mind. Actualy I can't use any drugs, except ecstasy and alcohol. I was a happy boy, intelligent, contemplative. Today im the opposite, my life is very hard, I dont trust in anybody, not even in my closest friends and family. I hope some day it will end. Sorry for the english
I have a masters in psychology and I've done eight months of doctoral work so far. Signs of schizophrenia often begin in childhood. I have a relative who is schizoaffective and I remember that he had personality and behavioral issues which were apparent by the time he went to kindergarten. His two siblings functioned normally. Drugs have nothing to do with schizophrenia. They can have a marginal affect on already existing schizophrenic traits, but they cannot cause it.
This is the stupidest question you’ve ever put in a title joe. It’s a well known FACT that there is a relationship between schizophrenia and drug use particularly marijuana!!! Especially if there is a predisposition.
Yeah !! He sounds like a junkie. "I use some herion everyday" .... slurring words etc. Constantly questioning why people want to stop using drugs or meds. Damn! I was kinda shocked.
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Drug induced psychosis is common and misdiagnosis of schizophrenia often occurs. Take away the drugs and the psychosis often goes with them. However, some people can develop schizophrenia after using Cannabis sometimes only once.
The emotion is the person. Biochemically. Electrically those drugs affect the person. Not everyone becomes a druggy. Not everyone becomes a pot head. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic.
@@Illuminatinakedtattie weed is classified ironically under hallucnogen ( per my textbook from school). But it could be a depressant and stimulant as well
@@Illuminatinakedtattie I've never met anybody depressed while their high lol, angry about no pot like coffee drinkers with no coffee but depressed? That seems personal
I really relate to what he’s saying. As someone with mental issues I am so over no therapists “getting it” because they themselves can’t possibly understand. I got terrible burns and was in a burn hospital for awhile and then had weekly sessions at the burn clinic and the pain was something I had never felt. I was crying one night in the hospital because they were not giving much pain medicine at all (my parents are docs so I know about dosages etc). They wouldn’t change it! I ask has any doctor or nurse here had a burn? Have any of you had your dressings changed, etc? Not a single one. 5 months later and my wounds have still not healed and I have neurological pain, it’s unbearable, they cut my pain meds 3 months ago. I am not ok.
@@moneyboyok 100%. Psychosis after adhd medication is common. Although whether this is because adhd medication interacts with a predisposition for psychosis, or because it directly causes psychosis idk. Probably the first one considering adhd is comorbid with schizophrenia. You'll be happy to know though that psychosis after adhd medication is generally temporary and a bit different from psychotic episodes people with schizophrenia tend to experience.
What was his personality like? Any other relevant details? Like lack of sleep, family history, dealing with traumatic events while doing it, high doses, frequency? I'm super curious
my experience with this is two things one the weed was too high in thc or two the weed he smoked was still full of plant nutrients and growing chemicals so it wasn't flushed right. i have gone to growing my own cannabis and picking high cbd strains and have noticed a dramatic change in my life growing it also gives me a bit of therapy.
My mother has schizophrenia from what we believe to be drug use . I wish I had answers for such a complicated illness . The in-denial behavior is almost impossible for self help . Petitioning your own mother is a mountain of pressure that feels heavy on your soul.
@1:52 Joe finds a way to bring up martial arts @2:04 Joe struggles (successfully) to not say "DMT" @3:49 1st "Mmmm" @4:03 2nd "Mmmm" @4:52 3rd "Mmmm" @5:14 4th "Mmmm" @6:44 Joe getting clarification that all the edibles he takes won't induce psychosis
Got serotonin syndrome from a moderate dose of psilocybin and ssri combination, sent me into a psychotic episode and I was convinced that I had triggered schizophrenia or had actually died and was experiencing the death process. I never thought I was going to come out of it, I eventually did but what was strange is it didn't gradually wear off, it just suddenly stopped; the same can be said about the onset and peak. I never came up and I never peaked after like 3 hours, literally no effect then it hit me all at once. Don't use psychs and ssris folks.
@r4rev2 I've had it twice, I know what it is. The combination causes high levels of serotonin to accumulate in the body causing symptoms such as, restlessness, confusion, rapid heart rate, loss of muscle coordination, sweating, loss of consciousness, all of which I experienced. I'm very experienced with psychs and know the difference between a challenging or overwhelming experience and a bad drug interaction.
@r4rev2 I think some people may be more sensitive to the combinations. I agree that there is not enough literature out there pertaining to these interactions and that one could easily attribute my experiences to being too heavy but these were isolated incidences which have never occurred without the presence of a tricyclic or ssri which leads me to believe that I was experiencing serontonin syndrome; I exhibited all the symptoms including about a 2 day hangover where I was dissociated and lethargic as well which is indicative of serontonin syndrome. I have since ceased all use of any of these types of medications though so it shouldn't be an issue anymore.
@@rzrselliott I took 4-5 Saint John’s Warts which are inhibitors (MOARI? SSRI?) with an 8th of shrooms when I was 17 and it gave me a 12 hour bad trip. I developed Schizophreniform NOS for two years, it was a schizophrenic like psychosis. They actually just thought I had Schizophrenia for a long time but I was ‘high functioning’. Never mix MAORI/SSRI inhibitors with your psychedelics!
@@IAmJonesty Yo that's heavy bro, I'm glad you have an awareness of what happened so you didn't drive yourself mad trying to figure it out, I'm glad you are doing better. Crazy you mention your experience because reflecting back, the first time I got serotonin syndrome was actually from a combination of a tricyclic and celebrex I was using to treat inflammation in my back. I remember feeling a rush of euphoria followed by minor hallucinations like color alterations and then dissociation and insomnia. Inhibitors are no joke!
Same happened to me I took 7 grams of mushrooms and when I was peaking everything was just melted colors and I lost touch with all reality until one moment I’m just back all of a sudden and I snapped out of it
DR Ahbram Hoffer cured Scitzophrenia and other mental problems using 3 grams of niacin a day. More info here th-cam.com/video/-BRwF20RF9U/w-d-xo.html Gy
I have had 5 psychotic episodes in my life, and i have developed Schizophrenia, I'm here to tell everyone that it's not the end of the world, my mistake was that i didn't immediately seek help after my 1st episode. But, i am on clozapine and antidepressants and things are looking better, i have heard voices but they have left me alone, and schizophrenia can be kept under control with medications and it can possobly even be cured with ECT (electro shock therapy). Mental illness is not the end of your life and it has even made me a more positive person now that i've gone through that hard time.
I’ve never been formally diagnosed with schizophrenia but I’ve done a self analysis on myself and not only that, but my mother has previously been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I’ve spent long periods of time isolated, thinking, researching and exploring myself and my psyche and in my opinion, I’ve discovered a lot about myself and the mental disorder that we call schizophrenia. I would love to be a part of a study but haven’t ever really looked into it. I believe my thoughts could possibly have a positive impact on how we look at and understand this mental disorder.
Big Fan of JRE, been for a long time. I can’t believe Joe had “Dr. Carl” on his podcast, actually endorsing opiates. Seen lives and family’s destroyed over opiates first hand. His explanation of “withdrawal” was laughable. Clearly he’s never been threw it.
He's not necessarily endorsing it per say. He's basically telling Joe more research needs to be done in order for him to totally discredit any of those drugs and its possible benefits. I'm also pretty sure he's not telling people to take copious amounts. I think it goes without saying that it needs to be in a controlled setting and in small doses. Watch the rest of the podcast, these are just clips so I'm assuming you missed some parts.
Yes but those opiates were likely prescribed by corrupt Dr's making a buck and don't give a fuck dr Carl is trying to educate reset the healing processes
Well then replay the video again, Mario, because he does. The neurobiological basis of a brain that experiences psychosis is fundamentally different than that of a neurotypical. He is spot on buddy. I don't profess to be anything of an expert but I studied cognitive neuroscience, have been over this topic with various doctors and they all agree with this statement. In fact I have had several conversations with more than one schizophrenic, each on what is called suboxone, and they all state it to have given them their lives back and to be much more effective than antipsychotics and to have remarkably fewer side effects. Truly sorry about your loved ones, addiction is very hard. He's advocating medicinal use of opiates for a specific diseases though
That is so sad to hear what the hell drug did he take and how old was he and what on Earth made him think he was Tina Turner? See to me this schizophrenia s*** is fascinating I just don't understand
DR Ahbram Hoffer cured Scitzophrenia and other mental problems using 3 grams of niacin a day. More info here th-cam.com/video/-BRwF20RF9U/w-d-xo.html Opk
@@kofs4665 this guy doesn’t say he doesn’t know. He acts like he knows everything and calls people ignorant or dishonest if they hold differing views than him no matter how mainstream and established they are. It’s fine to have convos but hecame off as unlikeable. This guy is not helping to open this conversation when he conducts himself this way. I love how butthurt he sounded about that comedian lol he looks like he can’t take jokes so that’s probably what it was
Im a schizophrenic who was diagnosed with drug induced psychosis after my first psychotic episode and I was always trying to tell my doctor that I'm not actually hearing voices in my head but it feels like my sub conscience is louder than it should be and its tuning me to the realization that everything im been told in life was a big lie.my sub conscience (the voice in the back of everyone's head) used to tell me the doctor is trying to sedate my mind because I'm clearly seeing things that certain people don't won't me to know.. illuminizing truth for myself is the phrase i believe I used in a session with my health care team and before I was diagnosed i had never in my life heard,used of even known what that word illuminizing ment.i was taking the paliperidone injections for 3 years between the years of 2013-2016 and I stopped because It just really made me feel like a zombie but it did stop my thoughts from racing.Im out the gate asf though and was diagnosed on the early morning of my 25th birthday and im now 35 and I've recently taken the journey to sobriety and haven't touched any dope for only a few weeks because I want my life back and im getting help
Maybe you’re not as delusional as you think and you see things other people don’t. You just have to learn to manage it Joe made a great point here though. When you think everyone is against you, and everyone calls you crazy, it’s totally like throwing sticks on a fire
According to a lecture I went to, mariuna use during the developement stage of the brain (I guess something under 24) causes Schizophrenia in some people. Not everyone gets Schizophrenia but if you are the person who gets it you are pretty much doomed... What this Mr. talks about in the beginning is also very interesting, because AI works very much or exactly like human thinking. Excluding as many wrong asnwers as possible to find the right one. The more wrong ones you can exclude the smarter you are unless you exclude the wrong/correct ones. Then the AI gets a bad rating for it's choices and needs to reevaluate. Aka the learning process tht never ends.
This is actually false. It’s been proven now that it was rather a correlation and not causation. the reality behind it is those who are schizophrenic or who display schizophrenic like symptoms are the type of person who decides to smoke more marijuana. It’s not that those in adolescence who consistently and heavily use marijuana & are predisposed to the schizophrenic gene, because of their constant usage, are more likely to develop schizophrenia - again, this is not the case. It is simply the fact that those who are schizophrenic are more likely to smoke marijuana. Case closed
My Brother has abused drugs for years. He is now a paranoid schizophrenic. I am 19 20 in April and have been smoking weed on and off for 4/5 years. The last couple years I have smoked a lot more. I believe I am experiencing early signs of Schizophrenia and I believe it’s from the weed as my brain hasn’t fully developed yet. I hope not anyway.
I saw a documentary here on TH-cam about this - wish I could remember which one. The interesting part was that there is a spectrum between schizophrenia and Parkinson's disease. So if you take too much of certain drugs to treat Parkinson's it leads to schitzophrenic symptoms, and medications to treat schitzophrenia can lead to uncontrollable tremors.
A schizophrenic heroin addict who gets his daily fix feels better and has reduced symptoms.. I get that, but equating that with a non addicted schizophrenic using heroin for reduced symptoms is just crazy. Even joe should of realised that and said something.
If you want to talk, I have lived with Schizophrenia for a long time (My first episode of psychosis was when I was 17 in a young offenders institute), and I also have Autism and Generalised Anxiety Disorder. I have multiple experiences of being hospitalised, and how treatment in the community really is. I appreciate your video touching on this subject, but we need more discussion on this topic, as mainstream media are just selling how we as a minority are all killers
Yep he’s doing so much damage to peoples lives saying cocaine and heroin isn’t bad. I wanna take this “Dr” to some spots in hawaii and see if his opinion changes
Yeah. He clearly has not been in contact with addicts. It’s great that he’s able to manage his use, but to suggest that people only become addicted to opioids because they don’t have good jobs is straight up ignorant. High schoolers are getting addicted, young people with supportive families and promising futures get addicted. Then he blames them- oh, if they’re nodding off, they’re not doing it right. They’re messing up their high. 🙄 dude is clueless.
This dudes take on objective reality is really troubling. I listened to the whole interview & he sounds like a very biased person. I thought I was going to get a cool objective view of these things. Terrible guest.
My son has schizophrenia paranoid type, and my greatest desire is to know what he feels, what is it like for him to have Sz but I will probably never know because he doesn't initiate conversation. He answers questions with one word answers, which is common in Sz. And Sz is so variable with so many different experiences, it's just so confusing. And it's very very sad and heartbreaking for those who love the person with Sz. I'm suffering chronic sorrow, I'll be sad the rest of my life, good things happen for me, some joy still left, but the heavy feeling of sadness never ends.
The guy that said that is rather forward about his own personal usage of heroin. I think that may have been bias speaking, because personally I've never seen anything positive come from heroin use. I'm no professor though.
I had a roommate that was schizophrenic, she took her meds pretty regularly from what I could tell but everytime we smoked she would respond to the voices in her head out loud and had to go be alone . She was a cool ass person tho
Not sure if Rogan has already but having Dr Gabor Mate would be a good person to speak to on drugs and addiction to really reiterate the myths and stereotypes associated with drug use
People would transition to Spotify if they added comments.. comments are a big part of the experience
I use Spotify and don’t miss TH-cam. I only come here to troll the babies that cry about the switch.
Theirs plenty of others.
Brandnewtube , GAB,etc
I actually prefer it that way. People are cancerous no need to read that BS
@@Uncle-Bull sounds like you need a day job
Ya because without the comments we wouldn’t be able get all the deep and wise words that get posted. We will miss the the valuable “first!” comment, you tube comments are filled with language of philosophers and teachers.
Always got to appreciate an educated man who isn't afraid of "well.. i dont know". That makes me trust this man amongst most
Kinda low bar but ok 🤔
@@senoow4215 Don't see how. Perhaps you're seeing too much emphasis on the word "trust". It's not like I'm now going to take everything he says as gospel. It's far too common for people to be educated yet not intelligent, especially in today's world, and those are the people who have the loudest voices in today's society.
@@halowaffles more the "among most" part but i agree with u, tho i think that guy is obvi addicted to heroin but doesn't wanna admit it lol, i wouldn't trust him with much
or blows heroine and thinks its a good idea
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This year my brother was diagnosed with schizophrenia. We’re both in our 20s and live in a house with our best friends. He developed it over a period of about 4 to 6 months. As he continued to be more and more delusional he just became a lot more scary and violent to be around. If you confront him in any way about anything he was saying which was usually a bunch of nonsense, but was very real to him. He also started using meth which just made him exceptionally more paranoid. At one point he called the police because he thought the house was surrounded by people that wanted to kill him. But he forgot he called the police and “when people with guns” knocked at the door he freaked out and when they came in he started crawling on the floor trying to get away from them. My brother is one of my favorite people in the entire universe, he used to be such an inspiration and joy to be around. At this point he is in a facility and finally on the medication he needs. But I feel guilty as a human being because I honestly don’t want to be around him after the things I’ve had to experience because of him. As he slowly developed schizophrenia he pushed everyone his life away except for me I was the only person who’s there for him who did everything he ever asked for but he still thought I was against him
Im sorry to hear that, I dont think amphetamine use directly contributed to his illness, more the lack of sleep and loss of appetite caused by over use of amphetamine.
I also think this is recoverable allthough not in a hospital situation as he is now permanently diagnosed, forcefully medicated and locked up involuntarily without committing a crime.
I dont know the solution but i do know that his human rights are being violated.
I wen through a rough patch similar to what you described, i needed a "time out'
Luckily i escaped, recovered and have been ok for nearly 20 years. i had alot of stress at the time with a dying son who survived and is ok now along with marijuana withdrawal symptoms that for me manifests as loss of appetite, insomnia and night sweats leading to the mental issues.
I just needed some rest and care but was almost diagnosed permanently, my life was almost ruined by the mental health system and by my loved ones who cared a bit too much, now we realize the truth of the system.
Im not saying his case is the same, just giving you something to think about.
I hope he gets well but will never be the same if involved with the mental health system. I was lucky to escape the loony bin , recover then pay 500 bucks for a re-diagnosis or normality (whatever that is) and to be discharged and have the police stop looking for me but i have not ever heard of another escaping the system.
I dont know what the solution is for your brother, maybe a restraining order?
I dont think the solution is the abuse of his human rights though unless he is a criminal. This is not "minority report"
I hope he gets better without too much damage by the system. i dont know what is worse, the illness or the treatment??
All the best, please dont take offense, i just wanted to give another perspective on this issue. I dont have the answers either, i only know what is not :(
@@DadSkool this was very appreciated, thank you Johnny
Same but I didn’t crawl on the floor...
Keep your head up man it’s not easy but if possible try to take the meth away that’s gonna make things a whole lot worse
Bro my prayers out for your brother,
I don't have anything to say to you as I've no experience like yours whatsoever but stay strong brother!
Be by your brothers side! Don't regret later!
Interesting video. I started smoking at the end of high school, a decent amount in college, then after college for a few years. I was never someone who could be high all day, just more of a social thing or when I wanted to relax. Then 5 or 6 years ago when I was around 24 or 25, I remember getting paranoia every time I smoked. Nothing crazy like people trying to kill me, just a general sense of anxiety and people mocking me or my insecurities coming out, but it was very intense. I never experienced that when I was younger, even though there were times I was high as hell. I am a very social person and confident, but weed made me the literal opposite; introverted, scared, etc. I started researching and found scientists believe many things, but the two prevailing theories are: 1) weed can induce schizophrenia (or episodes) when someone is genetically prone to it and 2) physiologically a part of your brain can be more sensitive to THC, thus triggering either the pleasure feeling or paranoid feeling. I can't remember which part of the brain whether it was front back right or left, but I know they experimented on rats and found that to be true.
Anyway, I quit trying to like weed because I used to like it, and stopped altogether. I find so many people are stubborn and want to like something, so they keep doing it even though it causes them harm.
Good to hear that you quit man, strong move.
I have a very similar story and quit aswell. First couple of years it was amazing; relaxing, lots of laughter, increased appetite, increased focus, it even made me think more deeply and profound.
Then after a couple of years, same thing started to happen. Slowly damaging the relationships around me and when I finally recognized that that was a problem, I was very confused how it started.. since it went good for years.. (I was getting high grades at school, I had lots of friends, I had a side job with lots of responsibilities) Everything was really good when I was smoking for a couple of years. Also not a daily smoker like you said. More like weekends, parties, events, sometimes holidays.
Then I just cold turkey quit, now been off it for like 3 years, smoked about 2 joints since, same feeling of paranoia came back. Maybe it's the amount of stress/responsibility we are now carrying that doesn't really go well with cannabis. Or our system just had enough from the substance.. idk.
But I would still be curious to know how this evolved the way it did man.
Anyway, I've evolved more than ever since I quit it and also have a vision now, whereas when I was smoking, I just totally lived in the moment or one day at a time.
Hope to hear more about what you're thinking man, keep up the strong moves.
thanks for sharing
Weed is horrible, people think it’s not that bad but it can severely mess people up, not necessarily you but everyone is different.
I’d say it made me more paranoid as I got older, but a lot of that was due to becoming an adult. There is a lot more things for an adult that cause anxiety and this can actually be heightened with marijuana. Specifically the fear of losing job, freedom, kids, etc. Since marijuana is illegal most places the paranoia becomes to much and takes away the good part about marijuana. Instead of laughing your praying you don’t get fired the next day due to a drug test. I’d say if society accepted it and it was 100% legal it would be different and people could relax. Until then I’m with you and haven’t touched it in several years.
Very true, continuing to do something you know is hurting you is such a vicious cycle
As a caregiver for the last decade, one of the most common things in the schizophrenic patients I cared for were excessive meth use and LARGE quantities of Acid/LSD in their past.
Schizophrenia has existed since long before those substances exist but I’m sure the stress they put the body and mind under could increase the risk for sure
we got experience to work in a mental institution for a month and yea thatidcry is right. cyes auses of mental illness can vary but most adult patients are tend to be an addict
@@MichelleSmith-cf6ys isn't schizophrenia removed from DSM since DSM-2 though? Because we are now using DSM-5... How do you explain that? Schizophrenia and Homosexuality were both classified as mental illnesses in DSM-2 but were removed from DSM-3 and beyond. 🤔
Exactly. i wasnt much of a sleeper even before those things and can tell those tendencies years later are beginning to creep up but with full awareness it isnt real, but its like a jump scare in a movie. unpleasant but that's generally how i saw it too, because it was lsd then lsd and cocaine then lsd then speed. so i saw quite a bit of schizophrenic and delusion filled [people who could afford to be drug addicts i generally couldnt but its awful. all of them were jay walkers weirdly enough. all shoplifted things which werent worth more than a pencil case...
i mean im struggling but i'm here, i cant imagine what it'd be like to be screwed up know it and know you can do something about it but dont want to. how the hallucinations hit some of those people socially....is frightening. think a low functioning psychosis and meth releases more than sex or cocaine (dopamine wise) with serotonin on top and hopefully not the full syndrome. so you combine sleep deprivation with that your in trouble. when i was 15 and obviously sober i knew anything day three forward meant you could predictably guess the hallucinations that would come but theyd still shock you. even if you knew they werent real.
a good example is shooting up in the bathroom schizophrenia and hallucination wise. because before you shoot say a amphetamine it could be a clean toilet/bathroom and then afterwards you could imagine mess and then it feels like the right thing to do to clean it, thats where i suspect the whole cleaning thing and interest in fixing things comes from. complete delusion and its generally stimulants in high doses, faster delivery methods or without any sleep.
acid is a hallucinogen i wouldnt say thats schizophrenia its vastly different what you see and hear in those instances. like i can sit here right now sober and totally remember that.
I have noticed this as well, from personal experience watching my ex and his friends over the course of 25 years. The symptoms could be genetic but those drugs will cause it in those without that predisposition. Meth makes their brain Swiss cheese it’s literally draino
The best career advice that I learned is don’t ever attach your-self to a PERSON, a place, a company, an organization or a project. Only Attach your-self to your mission in life and your PURPOSE. That’s how you keep your power and keep your peace!
Thank you
ya i saw that on blackpeopletwitter too. good job lol
Everything you need you already have
But what if your mission is life is related to a project?
That’s real
Spotify Is a really shitty way to watch podcasts
The Spotify app is absolute garbage. Also. They won't let you use a VPN. Who the fuck are they to demand stealing my data
You're telling me every time I have a commercial it starts from the beginning again if you only knew how frustrating that is anybody else having that problem I'm talking about Spotify
I have Spotify premium and I have to sit through joe's ad!
Yeah....youtube is home. It works. Don’t fuck with it.
Then don't listen to him.. I stopped the day he left TH-cam and took his library with him... Spotify owns him now and it's never going to be the same again..
Wish Joes full episodes were still on TH-cam...
Cancelled him for wrong speak
@@ResortDog lol that’s not true? He got paid over $100mil to go to Spotify
Watch the full episodes on spotify its free. Ive got used to it now.
@@ResortDog you are fake news
Yeah I’m not easily moving to Spotify, even for Joes podcast. I just don’t like their service.
Weed can also cause depersonalization, I'd love to see Joe touch on this subject with an informed guest, depersonalization is not very well known but it does affect quite a lot of people.
What that
Agree. Dealt with depersonalization and derealization for a little bit on top of post-concussion syndrome.
Not fun & often not spoken about in conversations about mental health.
@@NoSe-ci5oc Not feeling like yourself, no sense of ego, feeling disconnected from your body or reality, don’t feel in control
@@AaronAlert77 oh ok , no sense of ego is good tho is it not? Accepting that the world , the universe isn’t all about me and that my atoms will one day be redistributed to this earth
@@NoSe-ci5oc You need some ego to function in the society
“I don’t want to bastardize his model and way of thinking about it”
What a respectful man. Most people I feel, like to explain things they don’t even understand to try and come of as knowledgeable.
im so disconnected from his show now that I have no clue who the guests are or who will come on or anything.
Yea its like watching clips from a TV show you've never watched.
Yeah, dude :/
Same brother I catch a clip here and there but I’m not downloading Spotify
This guy has been on before. Casual
@@JimmyR83 Why? lol
I had severe sleep deprivation after a traumatic event for myself and they tried to diagnose me with schizophrenia before attempting to treat the sleep deprivation. I very much believe that sleep deprivation is related to it.
Definitely, also stress and loss of appetite. These things are also side effects of many drugs. I am sure you can draw the correct lines to the point i am trying to make here.
Take care, when you have these symptoms, try to realize the cause and that they will subside and try not to get caught up in the mental health system otherwise you will be diagnosed permanently and it is very hard, if not impossible to escape this diagnosis and forced treatment
Not just sleep dep, but rem sleep dep.
@@azraelblick4117 Yep, DEF, that is the problem with cannabis, is stops REM sleep causing you not to dream then when you stop smoking the dreams come back vividly as you incure a REM sleep debt.
it is the guy joe had on talking about sleep said the same thing
@Bootamate i am glad to hear nothing bad happened and you recovered. Many people have suffered the same as you but unfortunately for them, their loved oned cared abit too much and had hem permanently diagnosed with a mental illness and had their lives ruined.
It sounds unbelievable but it happens all the time if someone has taken a prohibited drug and suffers this type of common brain fatigue.
ngl I miss y'all comment section ❤️
Missed you too, how you been bro?
Seriously agree.. It was such a fun community
Ye it be lonely out here😔
Hes allegedly working on a comment section for Spotify
@@heccerda yeah I hope it happens
Terribly scary thing, my sister developed it recently, she got to 11-12 and just changed, often fell out with friends thinking they were against her. Struggled to keep any friends for any length of time, isolated herself especially as she got older. At 21 my mom would hear her having conversations with herself from the other room. Within a few months this turned into awful suicide attempts, multiple stays in mental hospitals. Luckily enough, a few months later she seems to be on the mend with medication. She still doesn’t open up about what she was hearing or what was bothering her much though, terribly sad.
Keep talking. Don't let her madness envelope you. Your doing great
A friend of mine lovingly raised a deaf person suffering from schizophrenia and described the affliction to me in the most eloquent explanation I have ever heard. His mind generates confusion with a multitude of variable thoughts all at the same time, he then has to choose which thoughts are the best to act on at every moment of his existence. A hug was determined to be the best way to bridge the channel toward communication so now when he recognizes a person he needs a hug from them first so he can concentrate on a conversation with them. A strapping example of a vital young man now, his infectious smile gives him all the hugs he could ever want and my hat is off to his mother for making him the way he is today.
Wow deaf and schizophrenic! That sounds like a nightmare
When I worked at a shelter I found it difficult to tell the difference between schizophrenia and crack psychosis.
That would be because it is impossible. You cannot make the diagnosis while someone is under the influence. Most hard drugs can create all the symptoms, especially when combined with sleep deprivation.
Schizophrenia is basically long term psychosis
Exactly & closing mental hospitals made the homeless crisis
I think we need to be specific that they weren’t mental health hospitals( they were mental institutions. Basically places we would mostly-permanently send people with mental health conditions and give them pills until they died.
That system needed to go. But! It should’ve been replaced by actual mental health services.
started with Reagan...
@@vitaly6312 What would actual mental health services do differently? A lot of the homeless people around me have severe mental health problems and will sometimes violently refuse help. Without mental institutions monitoring them to make sure they take medication, I doubt they would take it
@@vitaly6312 well there’s no other solution these people have to be isolated and put into these institutions. We shouldn’t have to have homeless people ruin our cities because they are mostly unfortunately mentally ill.
@@vitaly6312 it can be easily argued that their doped up lives in the institutions were at a much higher standard of living than being on the streets
I'm a schizophrenic, his explanation is extremely good.
You are? Please do not touch Meth. My ex-boyfriend had this split personality and I saw two sides of him. He started using Meth and is now dead. He burned alive last month doing PCP, Ketamine, Heroin, Meth, and DMT. Oh and Acid. I'm still trying to figure out why his family didn't listen to me to get him help. I mean, burning alive! His family was extremely rich and so was my ex. No one deserves to die like that
@@UGPVlogsLA Well that sounds fucked! I hope you're okay :( I promise i will not touch meth. And also thank you for the warning!
Theres definitely a feeling of being disconnected from this podcast now that its on spotify.
My brother became a paranoid schizophrenic at 26-27 after years of drug abuse since he was a teenager.
Sams here!!!!
Same here!
@SolarisLunaran You put me off a bit now
Pri-schizophrenia patients are prone to drug abuse.
SolarisLunaran that as a result of drug induced psychosis bro?
Man my childhood best friend from age 7 to 25 got Schizophrenia. I watched it unfold and it broke my heart. He was always very introverted as a kid and we all thought as an adult he would open up. We all smoked weed, played videogames, and joked around. Then one day he flipped and said some imaginary people above his apartment were inside of his head. I tried for years to "talk" or "coach" him out of it but it didn't work. Ever since then, I stopped smoking weed and had to abandon our friendship because he is now in an institution of some sort. It's sad every time I think about it.
Check up on him and try to offer encouraging words. It’s helps people. Trust me, even going through that, those words still help.
@@djwestbrook36 i was gonna try that once, fucker threatened to kill me. Stay away from crazy.
If he had never done drugs and still got schizophrenia would u then think to start doing drugs?
@@MRkriegs this makes no sense
Broken hearted for you:( Like a death but without the closure😢
Cannabis use has been strongly correlated with schizophrenia, psychosis and a number of other mental health issues.
Psychosis for sure as somebody whose smoked, could be the type of weed ur smoking or if its strong thc weed but for sure
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Man I had a friend go into mania and a group of friends and I had to have an intervention because his schizophrenia was getting bad. This clip is making me relive that night and how much better it could have went. Handling someone with schizophrenia can be so hard and painful.
From descriptions of schizophrenia it sounds like to me people are dreaming while awake. They dont typically sleep much. But the body still attempts rem sleep to rest the mind causing a mix of reality and dreams. Almost a biological augmented reality
Damn, that’s what I was thinking 🤔, but couldn’t articulate it. Good break down...
Yes but its directly related to too much dopamine
That's how I'd describe psychosis.. to the extent which it's hard to differentiate waking life from dream life. And the mind relies on funny dream logic instead of... well logic.
And weed prevents the brain from entering REM
It's moreso an issue concerning the human capacity for language. Schizophrenics tend to hear voices where there are none
Meth and no sleep definitely feels like it. (Sober 10 years)
My best friend from 4th grade went schizophrenic off meth and no sleep. His brain ended up not being able to tell whether he was sleeping or awake.(auditory and visual do I believe he had a pre disposition but i also remember a Dr saying it was drug induced Schizophrenia from NO Sleep
There's people in this state of mind all over my town. Sad. Meth ruins lives. And is the closest thing to evil I've ever encountered
Congratulations on your sobriety! Peace and blessings
Well done! Congrats 👊
Congrats
Trying to develop schizophrenia purposely might be very risky for the guy. I've had voices in my head for about two years. When it first started, these auditory hallucinations were on another level. Made me realize how powerful the brain really is.
I don't think he was trying to induce schizophrenia, just a schizophrenia-like experience temporarily. It's not known how well high amphetamine doses mimic schizophrenia, but use of these drugs to induce psychosis is a big part in why schizophrenia medication was developed specifically to block dopamine - they created something close enough for lack of a better term to the disorder, at least enough to create treatments that work quite well.
A bad trip with LSD launched years of recurring psychosis. I lost my grip on reality. You have no idea how precious that is until you realize it could disappear. I would slip in and out at random times. I had to stop smoking weed because it would cause an immediate relapse. I don't know how to explain it other than: my stream of consciousness stays the same--I am still me and think my own thoughts--but gets trapped in my own mind unable to access the "real world". There is no sense of proprioception and my connection to reality disappears. Oddly I could hear other people fine--it was always visual. Up was down, left was down, right was forward, my internal organs are in another state and the person's face talking to me is melting through the space my skull should have been. It would happen randomly and would only really last for maybe two to six seconds. Long enough I earned a bad, but deserved, reputation amongst my coworkers for spacing out. It is so terrifying because even though each time would only last a few seconds, I would wonder if the next time would be permanent and I wouldn't be able to find a way back. I would have difficulty speaking for a while after those slips--usually up to half an hour or so. I could think what I wanted to say but there was a disconnection between my brain and my mouth. I would get lost in the complexity of human grammar and be unable to formulate a coherent thought. It was so fucking embarassing. I could hear other people speak clear as day but my ability to get my own consciousness out and express it had left the building. Maybe the best visual representation is that moment in Get Out when he goes to the sunken place, but make the sunken place a kaleidoscope of random colors and smeared images that warp and twist without any respect to a normal XYZ dimension. I was dead sober too--it would happen ten to twelve times a day at the worst. I stopped smoking weed like a week after the bad trip because if I smoked weed I would go to that bad place and stay there until I wasn't high anymore. It definitely exacerbated it.
Going stone cold sober, investing into nootropics, and working on my mental health is what allowed me to get rid of it. It took me about three or four years to get completely back to my "normal". I had horrible, clinical OCD as a child as well--I washed my hands until they openly bled and had a bad counting tic--so I have a history of mental illness. I have no fucking clue why I thought my fucking brain could handle LSD.
I don't know if this is how psychosis manifests in everyone, but I feel nothing but sympathy towards people who are stuck in that state their whole lives. Literally the most terrifying thing I have ever experienced. Drugs are not friendly to everyone and I think there needs to be more awareness around the mental dangers it can pose to people who are susceptible.
There is a reason psychedelics were illegal and it wasn’t all sinister. People think way too black and white in every way of that speech figure
Thats horrible!!! U are not compatible with drugs
I developed a schizophrenic type of psychosis that lasted for two years after taking a heroic dose of shrooms. I had a 12 hour trip which I questioned myself and everything into non-existent. I came out of it completely unconvinced that anything really existed. Everything I knew was a lie. Many many things went wrong that night and it literally cost me every relationship in my life. I failed school and didn’t go to college. It took some time to get back up from that. Life turned serious in a way that I couldn’t have predicted.
Scary 😧
Well said. I had a super bad trip on an edible and everything you said is so true. As I was tripping I was thinking of people who get stuck like that. Scary
Im never ever taking fucking smack to calm schizophrenia!! Madness!!
As you SHOULDNT. This dude was talking nonsense.
This is an unethical video and should be taken down lol why don’t they get a psychiatrist or actual MD to talk about schizophrenia ?
@@chso8809 agree. This is where the prefix “doctor” should be distinguished from medical doctor. He can’t even pronounce homeostasis and yet he’s telling us that doing pure cocaine and heroin isn’t bad for us because he is a phd in the theoretical of pharmacology. Sorry, but that is unethical.
@@melodic777 it's all about moderation.
I could see it MAYBE in a hyper-controlled environment, administered by health care professionals. Similar to early LSD research with mental patients and alcoholics.
We definetly need Joe back on TH-cam. I used to watch every full episode . I dont use spotify so now i just dont watch JRE. sad
a schoolbook example of selling out
Yup
@@dayoonman3264 cool story bro. You should write a book.
@@dayoonman3264 seems like I hurt your feelings. There there, everything gone be alright.
This dude nailed it. What an awesome mindset. Joe, please keep giving this guy airtime, because I think it could help a lot of people. God bless.
Great topic! My has been diagnosed with Schizophrenia. Most people have no idea that someone who has schizophrenia is actually more afraid of getting hurt than hurting someone else.
I know from experience that prolonged meth use coupled with sleep deprivation can cause temporary schizophrenia.
As a Schizophrenic, I could answer these so well. On the part about your social models. It's more like autism but like with autism you can teach yourself remodel in a way. I've done tons of drugs and they're similar so basically, your imagination is your worst enemy and depending on your mindset or how strongly willed you are you can be like anyone else just like say a shroom trip. Its basically the same its just worse because generally if you're diagnosed you're gonna have anxiety, depression, and other problems so its gonna make you have a "bad" trip but if you're happy and chilling like i am almost always there's no difference. Life's the same.
It’s interesting what they said about schizophrenia I have always had a problem with authority and it eventually led to drug addiction because as a kid I felt my voice wasn’t heard and it drove me crazy. I had depression since I was like 10 and very serious anger issues which I’ve now controlled having learnt a lot of stuff about psychology and cannabis actually helped me calm down and be more sort of flexible and working out gave me the confidence to stand on my own and become more social. So I mean I think adictive personality is a trait of many mental health sufferers and doesn’t necessarily correlate with drug use but can lead to it. It’s like seeking escape from your own mind
I plan on finding/creating a cure for Schizophrenia i believe anything’s possible & I will succeed
Just get sleep
No chance.
Yep if you really want to you sure can
It's a brain issue only cure is rewiring which musk is working on
Are you being sarcastic?
I would def say that yes it is linked.
A half-sibling of mine was subjected to drug use when they were 13yrs old from their bio dad. Terrible things happened to them within just a short amount of time visiting the father, horrific things I won’t speak of.
Said sibling became an addict & struggled with addiction til they were nearly 35yrs old.
During that huge time period, they had been diagnosed with bipolar, which we thought was a misdiagnosis since they would hallucinate for days at a time.
They had an episode about a year and a half ago, but they’ve been clean for years & was finally diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.
Year & years of being in mental institutions & in & out of jail never helped them of course, but they’re finally doing awesome AS LONG AS they get REST!
Sleep deprivation is what caused the last episode.
People are so misunderstood nowadays.
Don’t judge them. Try to help them if you can.
Most addicts have other issues going on however I think this guy is down playing how addictive opiates are. As someone who got injured and dependent on painkillers, trust me when I say it happens quickly. One minute you're in control and then the next, you're a slave to opiates!
It's so true.
It makes me question his credibility as it appears his bias is greater than factual reality. He can’t even pronounce homeostasis and he’s a doctor?
You had underlying issues that drove the addiction. Chronic pain emotional pain suffering etc. Normal healthy people don't just become addicts it's the mentally weak. Hard to admit but true. It's how your brain is wired. Simple as that.
@@roberto125919 he said he had chronic pain in his comment.
Most people who takes opioids don't get addicted.
My ex is bipolar and schizophrenic. It seemed weed kept her calm, but alcohol ALWAYS sent her into a raging manic episode. I tried to coach her to please have only a little, but the screws loose in her brain made her want to get so annihilated to disconnect from the schizophrenic thoughts she was constantly burying,, that when she drank too much (always against my advice) she would start screaming crazy shit for HOURS. Total nightmare. Even after breakup cops and jail are always in her life. Very sad for these people
I learned this in a psychology class:
Drugs cannot directly cause schizophrenia. Many people believe that schizophrenia is genetically inherrited. If, for example, one of your parents has schizophrenia the likelihood of you having schizophrenia is higher than if one of your distant cousins has this illness. It is more or less the potential to suffer this illness that is inherrited. This potential can be triggered by drugs.
If one of your parents is a Shaman, the chances of you being a Shaman are greater than if it were your cousin that were a Shaman. See the Connection between schizophrenia and Shamanism.
Dr. Hart is brilliant, in a .75 playback speed kind of way.
i loved that the camera cut to Joe’s face when he mentioned Ketamine 😂😂
Once befriended a very kind and strong homeless man while working graveyard shifts. He was unfortunately suffering great trauma and severe schizophrenia, often telling strange stories of violence and drug busts. However, he also had a very special way of looking at the world, that there was 'dust' in the air that signaled the atmosphere of an area. He read the dust and knew what state our store was in at any moment, and his observations always proved correct. He would advise me in sagely ways as I deciphered his language. Often times I found that MY model was wrong, and that he had figured it out in a much more efficient way. There were lines in the circuits leading up to our large neon signs that only he could see. He knew.
As an intermittent user, I can say it definitely does. My curtains agree with me.
Lmaoo this the one 🎯
Intermittent user of what lol?
@@kalechapo did you watch the video?
@@noahdaly8484 yes sir
@@noahdaly8484 I was attempting to test whether you were close to schizo and the fact that you even answered instead of assuming I was someone out to get you and disconnecting from the interaction tells me you’re fine
Yes there is as someone who smoked weed for about 13 years every single day I could tell I was getting more and more paranoid thought I was hearing stuff I wasn’t worrying about things that made no sense enough drug use for a long enough time can basically make you crazy
Have you stopped consuming cannabis and has that fixed your paranoia? Would be valid information for those in the same position as you.
Best wishes!
@@thunderchundering No not completely even when quitting
@@thunderchundering I had the same thing and when I stopped I stopped having anxiety and panic attacks as well as other mental issues
@@Rpgesusgoingin Have you considered seeing a specialist?
@@timr5185 Glad to hear man! Have you used canabis since or are you worried it will bring the anxiety back?
Anyone who wants the answer to this question without watching a 10 minute video, the answer is: YES.
@Mark Rodriguez Cannabis, particularly.
@Mark Rodriguez what the doctor explained is 100 percent true about amphetamines and lack of sleep
@Mark Rodriguezhigh dosr psychedelic, weed, speed and meth use with sleep deprivation
@@dillondebeer6690 amphetamines are dopamine agonists (meaning they mimic dopamine in the brain) and one early model of schizophrenia is dopamine hyperfunction (too much dopamine acting). So by doing amphetamines, you're essentially overloading your brain with dopamine which leads to delusions, hallucinations & psychosis.
@@beaus123 you basically just said what I said, but with more fluff
Dr. Hart is the only professor that will reprimand you for not being high in class.
I’m schizophrenic and absolutely it’s a lonely experience of life and I have to constantly tell myself that my friends and family aren’t trying to kill me/send me to jail and I smoke weed also which helps me cope with everything as long as i use my CBD with THC
When I was a young boy I would hallucinate when I got a high fever. I would see snakes on the ceiling, or feel as if I was going 1,000 miles per hour just laying in bed. And when my dad would come check on me and gave me a hug I felt as small as a point on a needle while seeing him as a giant. That's probably the closest thing I will experience when it comes to schizophrenia.
You aren’t alone! I had those similar feelings and seeing hallucinations when I was a kid. Feeling different sizes I can definitely relate to.
Man, this has happened to me as an adult. Its horrible. And when I slept my dreams would be like the most hellish bad trips. Fevers definitely mess with the brain.
You all got touch by the spirit but are not ready for it
I've had that small feeling or massive feeling its out of it.
yeah dude had that too, i felt like falling endlessly when i closed my eyes. i thought its pretty fun back then.
MUCH Better than the Breakfast Club Interview!!
That was garbage.
Where are the normal podcasts?!
Sometime I listen on Spotify, think of something clever and get sad cause I can’t comment
Thank you for shedding light on a subject that lives in the dark. I’m very appreciative of you’re points of view. Thank you from the bottom of my ❤️. Hope and love are powerful in defeating mental illness.
I shouldn't had smoked that acidcrack before listening to this.
You always wanna snort your acidcrack, smoking it kills the flavor imo
Wth is acid crack
@@noahlipham6252 imagine acid, mixed with crack. Some people prefer the definition of Crack mixed with acid but they’re referring to the same thing
@@noahlipham6252 its like a mild strain of meth dw
@@Bustin_cider00 that sounds really fun
I have paranoid schizophrenia, I used to use drugs frequently, even more Marijuana. When I used Marijuana was cool but always had a paranoia running in background. Today I can't use Marijuana, it makes me feel like I have a demon on my mind. Actualy I can't use any drugs, except ecstasy and alcohol. I was a happy boy, intelligent, contemplative. Today im the opposite, my life is very hard, I dont trust in anybody, not even in my closest friends and family. I hope some day it will end.
Sorry for the english
I have a masters in psychology and I've done eight months of doctoral work so far. Signs of schizophrenia often begin in childhood. I have a relative who is schizoaffective and I remember that he had personality and behavioral issues which were apparent by the time he went to kindergarten. His two siblings functioned normally. Drugs have nothing to do with schizophrenia. They can have a marginal affect on already existing schizophrenic traits, but they cannot cause it.
Never heard any voices until LSD read my comment maybe..
Agreed, mostly.
This is the stupidest question you’ve ever put in a title joe. It’s a well known FACT that there is a relationship between schizophrenia and drug use particularly marijuana!!! Especially if there is a predisposition.
Chill out bro, have a blunt!
Shut up Pablo Escobar
My brother smoked heavily from age 13. Schizophrenia by age 18. Pot is incredibly dangerous in people whose brains are still developing.
@@frumpd63 True
5 guys who all hung out in high school from my neighborhood, and always did drugs together...all became schizophrenic. Coincidence!?!? 🤷♂️
Sad to see Joe's full episodes have disappeared from youtube. The show was one of my main reasons to come here.
Dr Carl Hart is a great man, thx for having him on Joe
Joe’s new studio is still hot garbage compared to the old one and no the new one will not grow on me.
I agree so much
Yeah. It was designed for acoustics and not for aesthetics.
It’s looks like Darth Malls urethra
im really glad your on youtube joe. cause i got schizophrenia and I'm afraid of the other websites
Like Spotify?
@@Brand00dyes i dont use it
Listening to this Dr Carl enunciate and slur through the podcast will keep me off drugs forever.
This guy is an irresponsible, harmful advocate of destruction.
What?
Yeah !! He sounds like a junkie. "I use some herion everyday" .... slurring words etc. Constantly questioning why people want to stop using drugs or meds. Damn! I was kinda shocked.
Anyone else going through relationship issues or emotional drama? If you are right now just know that you arent alone and theres always light at the end of the tunnel. Everyone will get thru this together and you are never alone! 💙💙
Drug induced psychosis is common and misdiagnosis of schizophrenia often occurs. Take away the drugs and the psychosis often goes with them. However, some people can develop schizophrenia after using Cannabis sometimes only once.
Usually the weak minded little victims that get “hurt” from experience keep the bullshit
@@RandomGuy-qn2ub u sound intelligent lol
@@asdalskdf it’s called being real
Is there a relationship between alcohol and depression?
These are known quantities.
alcohol is a depressant so is weed
The emotion is the person. Biochemically. Electrically those drugs affect the person. Not everyone becomes a druggy. Not everyone becomes a pot head. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic.
The term “depressant” does not refer to “depression”, its more of a physical description.
@@Illuminatinakedtattie weed is classified ironically under hallucnogen ( per my textbook from school). But it could be a depressant and stimulant as well
@@Illuminatinakedtattie I've never met anybody depressed while their high lol, angry about no pot like coffee drinkers with no coffee but depressed? That seems personal
Man Spotify *REALLY* needs a comment section, if only for the JRE podcast.
I really relate to what he’s saying. As someone with mental issues I am so over no therapists “getting it” because they themselves can’t possibly understand.
I got terrible burns and was in a burn hospital for awhile and then had weekly sessions at the burn clinic and the pain was something I had never felt. I was crying one night in the hospital because they were not giving much pain medicine at all (my parents are docs so I know about dosages etc). They wouldn’t change it! I ask has any doctor or nurse here had a burn? Have any of you had your dressings changed, etc? Not a single one.
5 months later and my wounds have still not healed and I have neurological pain, it’s unbearable, they cut my pain meds 3 months ago. I am not ok.
Finishing my masters in psych, and I can say that drug use can trigger schizophrenic delusions.
What is a common example of a schizophrenic delusion?
I had a psychotic episode after using an amphetamine (elvanse) which was used to treat adult ADHD. Do you think this could be linked ?
@@moneyboyok 100%. Psychosis after adhd medication is common. Although whether this is because adhd medication interacts with a predisposition for psychosis, or because it directly causes psychosis idk. Probably the first one considering adhd is comorbid with schizophrenia. You'll be happy to know though that psychosis after adhd medication is generally temporary and a bit different from psychotic episodes people with schizophrenia tend to experience.
@@Ohh695 There's a bunch of types. E.g. a grandiose delusion where you would believe that you're a god/immortal/on a mission to save humanity
Can you show some proof too?
Had a co-worker who got schizophrenia from smoking weed, wired, but I would have told him it wasn't a good idea just by knowing his personality.
What was his personality like? Any other relevant details? Like lack of sleep, family history, dealing with traumatic events while doing it, high doses, frequency? I'm super curious
my experience with this is two things one the weed was too high in thc or two the weed he smoked was still full of plant nutrients and growing chemicals so it wasn't flushed right. i have gone to growing my own cannabis and picking high cbd strains and have noticed a dramatic change in my life growing it also gives me a bit of therapy.
My mother has schizophrenia from what we believe to be drug use . I wish I had answers for such a complicated illness . The in-denial behavior is almost impossible for self help . Petitioning your own mother is a mountain of pressure that feels heavy on your soul.
@1:52 Joe finds a way to bring up martial arts
@2:04 Joe struggles (successfully) to not say "DMT"
@3:49 1st "Mmmm"
@4:03 2nd "Mmmm"
@4:52 3rd "Mmmm"
@5:14 4th "Mmmm"
@6:44 Joe getting clarification that all the edibles he takes won't induce psychosis
🤣🤣🤣
Thank you! Playing the mmm's back to back was fun. Wonder if there is a super-compilation
@@Victor724 lol someone should make that!
Got serotonin syndrome from a moderate dose of psilocybin and ssri combination, sent me into a psychotic episode and I was convinced that I had triggered schizophrenia or had actually died and was experiencing the death process. I never thought I was going to come out of it, I eventually did but what was strange is it didn't gradually wear off, it just suddenly stopped; the same can be said about the onset and peak. I never came up and I never peaked after like 3 hours, literally no effect then it hit me all at once. Don't use psychs and ssris folks.
@r4rev2 I've had it twice, I know what it is. The combination causes high levels of serotonin to accumulate in the body causing symptoms such as, restlessness, confusion, rapid heart rate, loss of muscle coordination, sweating, loss of consciousness, all of which I experienced. I'm very experienced with psychs and know the difference between a challenging or overwhelming experience and a bad drug interaction.
@r4rev2 I think some people may be more sensitive to the combinations. I agree that there is not enough literature out there pertaining to these interactions and that one could easily attribute my experiences to being too heavy but these were isolated incidences which have never occurred without the presence of a tricyclic or ssri which leads me to believe that I was experiencing serontonin syndrome; I exhibited all the symptoms including about a 2 day hangover where I was dissociated and lethargic as well which is indicative of serontonin syndrome. I have since ceased all use of any of these types of medications though so it shouldn't be an issue anymore.
@@rzrselliott I took 4-5 Saint John’s Warts which are inhibitors (MOARI? SSRI?) with an 8th of shrooms when I was 17 and it gave me a 12 hour bad trip. I developed Schizophreniform NOS for two years, it was a schizophrenic like psychosis. They actually just thought I had Schizophrenia for a long time but I was ‘high functioning’.
Never mix MAORI/SSRI inhibitors with your psychedelics!
@@IAmJonesty Yo that's heavy bro, I'm glad you have an awareness of what happened so you didn't drive yourself mad trying to figure it out, I'm glad you are doing better. Crazy you mention your experience because reflecting back, the first time I got serotonin syndrome was actually from a combination of a tricyclic and celebrex I was using to treat inflammation in my back. I remember feeling a rush of euphoria followed by minor hallucinations like color alterations and then dissociation and insomnia. Inhibitors are no joke!
Same happened to me I took 7 grams of mushrooms and when I was peaking everything was just melted colors and I lost touch with all reality until one moment I’m just back all of a sudden and I snapped out of it
The molecule on his t-shirt is methamphetamine. I wanted to know, figured others would too.
That's crazy. The image on his shirt is over his chest, my meth molecule is IN my chest!
@@moochini No it's not
He says it on the podcast ;)
@@lolabonaparte5078 I figured but didn't want to scan through it.
Wheres the full videos?
I feel like I'm borderline schizophrenic
same
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DR Ahbram Hoffer cured Scitzophrenia and other mental problems using 3 grams of niacin a day. More info here
th-cam.com/video/-BRwF20RF9U/w-d-xo.html
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I have had 5 psychotic episodes in my life, and i have developed Schizophrenia, I'm here to tell everyone that it's not the end of the world, my mistake was that i didn't immediately seek help after my 1st episode. But, i am on clozapine and antidepressants and things are looking better, i have heard voices but they have left me alone, and schizophrenia can be kept under control with medications and it can possobly even be cured with ECT (electro shock therapy). Mental illness is not the end of your life and it has even made me a more positive person now that i've gone through that hard time.
Do you think it can cure it ECT
I’ve never been formally diagnosed with schizophrenia but I’ve done a self analysis on myself and not only that, but my mother has previously been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I’ve spent long periods of time isolated, thinking, researching and exploring myself and my psyche and in my opinion, I’ve discovered a lot about myself and the mental disorder that we call schizophrenia. I would love to be a part of a study but haven’t ever really looked into it. I believe my thoughts could possibly have a positive impact on how we look at and understand this mental disorder.
Big Fan of JRE, been for a long time. I can’t believe Joe had “Dr. Carl” on his podcast, actually endorsing opiates. Seen lives and family’s destroyed over opiates first hand. His explanation of “withdrawal” was laughable. Clearly he’s never been threw it.
He's not necessarily endorsing it per say. He's basically telling Joe more research needs to be done in order for him to totally discredit any of those drugs and its possible benefits. I'm also pretty sure he's not telling people to take copious amounts. I think it goes without saying that it needs to be in a controlled setting and in small doses. Watch the rest of the podcast, these are just clips so I'm assuming you missed some parts.
Or through it either
Yes but those opiates were likely prescribed by corrupt Dr's making a buck and don't give a fuck dr Carl is trying to educate reset the healing processes
Maybe if those families and lives weren't on the WAR ON DRUGS they wouldn't be destroyed. Heroin doesn't cause much damage, war does.
Well then replay the video again, Mario, because he does. The neurobiological basis of a brain that experiences psychosis is fundamentally different than that of a neurotypical. He is spot on buddy. I don't profess to be anything of an expert but I studied cognitive neuroscience, have been over this topic with various doctors and they all agree with this statement. In fact I have had several conversations with more than one schizophrenic, each on what is called suboxone, and they all state it to have given them their lives back and to be much more effective than antipsychotics and to have remarkably fewer side effects. Truly sorry about your loved ones, addiction is very hard. He's advocating medicinal use of opiates for a specific diseases though
Dr Karl Hart is so good! Wow, I love his perspective.
Dr. Carl Hart is a JRE OG. Seeing the thumbnail made me happy.
This is fascinating.
I know a drug dealer who gave his young son drugs and his son is now in a mental ward and thinks he is Tina Turner and I am serious .
Great friends you have
That's sad.
Amazing father
That is so sad to hear what the hell drug did he take and how old was he and what on Earth made him think he was Tina Turner? See to me this schizophrenia s*** is fascinating I just don't understand
DR Ahbram Hoffer cured Scitzophrenia and other mental problems using 3 grams of niacin a day. More info here
th-cam.com/video/-BRwF20RF9U/w-d-xo.html
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Is it me or did this guy come off as a quack in the podcast?
@@kofs4665 this guy doesn’t say he doesn’t know. He acts like he knows everything and calls people ignorant or dishonest if they hold differing views than him no matter how mainstream and established they are. It’s fine to have convos but hecame off as unlikeable. This guy is not helping to open this conversation when he conducts himself this way.
I love how butthurt he sounded about that comedian lol he looks like he can’t take jokes so that’s probably what it was
He didn't really come across like he knew enough about the subject, came across as a lot of broscience. I wouldn't buy his book.
Im a schizophrenic who was diagnosed with drug induced psychosis after my first psychotic episode and I was always trying to tell my doctor that I'm not actually hearing voices in my head but it feels like my sub conscience is louder than it should be and its tuning me to the realization that everything im been told in life was a big lie.my sub conscience (the voice in the back of everyone's head) used to tell me the doctor is trying to sedate my mind because I'm clearly seeing things that certain people don't won't me to know.. illuminizing truth for myself is the phrase i believe I used in a session with my health care team and before I was diagnosed i had never in my life heard,used of even known what that word illuminizing ment.i was taking the paliperidone injections for 3 years between the years of 2013-2016 and I stopped because It just really made me feel like a zombie but it did stop my thoughts from racing.Im out the gate asf though and was diagnosed on the early morning of my 25th birthday and im now 35 and I've recently taken the journey to sobriety and haven't touched any dope for only a few weeks because I want my life back and im getting help
I've never heard my condition put so well, my model of society is wrong, I have always felt that I don't relate to reality as everyone else sees it...
Maybe you’re not as delusional as you think and you see things other people don’t. You just have to learn to manage it
Joe made a great point here though. When you think everyone is against you, and everyone calls you crazy, it’s totally like throwing sticks on a fire
According to a lecture I went to, mariuna use during the developement stage of the brain (I guess something under 24) causes Schizophrenia in some people. Not everyone gets Schizophrenia but if you are the person who gets it you are pretty much doomed...
What this Mr. talks about in the beginning is also very interesting, because AI works very much or exactly like human thinking. Excluding as many wrong asnwers as possible to find the right one. The more wrong ones you can exclude the smarter you are unless you exclude the wrong/correct ones. Then the AI gets a bad rating for it's choices and needs to reevaluate. Aka the learning process tht never ends.
This is actually false. It’s been proven now that it was rather a correlation and not causation. the reality behind it is those who are schizophrenic or who display schizophrenic like symptoms are the type of person who decides to smoke more marijuana. It’s not that those in adolescence who consistently and heavily use marijuana & are predisposed to the schizophrenic gene, because of their constant usage, are more likely to develop schizophrenia - again, this is not the case. It is simply the fact that those who are schizophrenic are more likely to smoke marijuana. Case closed
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
talking like someone who is high and paranoid
My Brother has abused drugs for years. He is now a paranoid schizophrenic. I am 19 20 in April and have been smoking weed on and off for 4/5 years. The last couple years I have smoked a lot more. I believe I am experiencing early signs of Schizophrenia and I believe it’s from the weed as my brain hasn’t fully developed yet. I hope not anyway.
what signs have you seen? I'm curious because I feel like I'm at the point rn
I saw a documentary here on TH-cam about this - wish I could remember which one. The interesting part was that there is a spectrum between schizophrenia and Parkinson's disease. So if you take too much of certain drugs to treat Parkinson's it leads to schitzophrenic symptoms, and medications to treat schitzophrenia can lead to uncontrollable tremors.
dude is 54 and looks 38, insane.
it's all in the titration
A schizophrenic heroin addict who gets his daily fix feels better and has reduced symptoms.. I get that, but equating that with a non addicted schizophrenic using heroin for reduced symptoms is just crazy. Even joe should of realised that and said something.
If you want to talk, I have lived with Schizophrenia for a long time (My first episode of psychosis was when I was 17 in a young offenders institute), and I also have Autism and Generalised Anxiety Disorder. I have multiple experiences of being hospitalised, and how treatment in the community really is.
I appreciate your video touching on this subject, but we need more discussion on this topic, as mainstream media are just selling how we as a minority are all killers
I get this guy on some things but he’s actually spreading deadly information.
em no
Yep he’s doing so much damage to peoples lives saying cocaine and heroin isn’t bad. I wanna take this “Dr” to some spots in hawaii and see if his opinion changes
Yeah. He clearly has not been in contact with addicts. It’s great that he’s able to manage his use, but to suggest that people only become addicted to opioids because they don’t have good jobs is straight up ignorant. High schoolers are getting addicted, young people with supportive families and promising futures get addicted. Then he blames them- oh, if they’re nodding off, they’re not doing it right. They’re messing up their high. 🙄 dude is clueless.
Have any of you read his book his literature?no you haven't but you have a informed opinion 🧐🤔🤐how ignorant
@@TheShepherd32 you know these people don’t read 😂
This dudes take on objective reality is really troubling. I listened to the whole interview & he sounds like a very biased person. I thought I was going to get a cool objective view of these things. Terrible guest.
yup ! mambo jumbo idiot mat
When he said avoid weed do heroin if ur mentally ill i couldn’t believe rogan Didn’t say shit
He's nuts
My son has schizophrenia paranoid type, and my greatest desire is to know what he feels, what is it like for him to have Sz but I will probably never know because he doesn't initiate conversation. He answers questions with one word answers, which is common in Sz. And Sz is so variable with so many different experiences, it's just so confusing. And it's very very sad and heartbreaking for those who love the person with Sz. I'm suffering chronic sorrow, I'll be sad the rest of my life, good things happen for me, some joy still left, but the heavy feeling of sadness never ends.
This has really helped joe and co I've watched 100s of videos about the illness and this one has really got through thanks
Corporate joe smh.. make joe Rogan great again
Joe is bought and paid for
Gay guys
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Joe: Is there anything they could maybe use that would help them
dude: Heroin
That was very very weirdly brought without the proprer explanations and context... I was very surprised about that section too.
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The guy that said that is rather forward about his own personal usage of heroin. I think that may have been bias speaking, because personally I've never seen anything positive come from heroin use. I'm no professor though.
I had a roommate that was schizophrenic, she took her meds pretty regularly from what I could tell but everytime we smoked she would respond to the voices in her head out loud and had to go be alone . She was a cool ass person tho
Not sure if Rogan has already but having Dr Gabor Mate would be a good person to speak to on drugs and addiction to really reiterate the myths and stereotypes associated with drug use