Yup. Even if they were exact same price I'd buy the Classic. It's the traditional truck with a V8 and no electric nonsense, it has an ignition key, it's proven and it doesn't have all the annoying tech features. That vertical touchscreen in the new one is absolutely disgusting.
I ordered a flame red 22 classic express with standard cab short bed and 5.7 because i heard it was the last year the standard cab would be offered. It's still the prettiest truck in town, a year later.
Am I the only one who wants a new truck with no toushcreens? Seriously, all I want is an AM/FM radio and a heater/AC unit. I don't even want power windows. All I want is a cheap, reliable, and hard working truck like my Grandfather used to have when I was a boy.
Had a 14 blackout edition reg cab shortbed 4x4 with about 460hp(modded) and loved it. Only thing I wish I had gotten was the 8spd(i got the old 6spd). That thing was so badass looking. The 5th gen doesn't have that badass look. Just looks nice to me. Rebel looks better but still not nearly as aggressive as the updated 4th gen from 2013+.
In my 17 years of driving, I have only owned Dodge Ram trucks. Over the years some brand new some used, some Very used. My current is a 2017 Tradesman 1500 I bought brand new. Sticker was 32,300. I paid 25,000. Every payment made with interest comes out to 29k and some change. Less than base price for it. Deals can be had especially on these base model fleet trucks. I'm old school and like work trucks. Came with a towing package and bedliner. It's a quadcab. Enough room for the family. Currently has 86k miles. I service it myself. The only issue to date was a faulty fuel injector in the 3.6. Took me 45 min to replace,good to go. I pull trailers often. At times exceeding the rating. Overall I'm happy with it. I don't like the brand itself. I feel Ram separates itself from it's customers and enthusiasts. However it's a familiar brand, inexpensive, easy to work on and does what I need. Enjoyed the review Motorweek. I'd go with the classic.
Nice to hear your truck getting used and that youre not afraid of wrenching on a new vehicle. After the first sentence I thought to myself maybe you should try something else, but the more I read, the more I understood that the truck is your perfect vehicle!
@@bingoberra18 I told myself the same back in January of 2017. I looked at them all except the Titan. Chevy,Ford, Toyota tundra. None of them below 30k dollars with the same specs. Didn't care for the Chevy seats or interior. In the end, you couldn't have said it better. I got the right truck for me. 👍
@Steve Silvas Hahaha nice! I bought a UAW built vehicle made in Warren Michigan. Look at Ford and Chevy and their Chinese stuff. Toyota is in the current process of sending more production to Mexico. I mean yeah It kinda sucks Ram is owned by a foreign conglomerate. but you won't buy anything these days that doesn't have things from a global parts bin. But at least I gave Americans jobs. Good enough for me.
I got the best of all worlds, a 2020 new body 1500 with a retro front bench seat, a retro two tone paint job (hydro blue and grey), the legendary 5.7L Hemi updated with eTorque, and the 2019 teething problems all fixed. Get some!
Here in Australia we only get the Classic. It starts at AUD$79,950 (V8) thanks to an expensive local RHD conversion plus lots of ticket clipping. But it's still competitive at that price due to a lack of real competitors in this market, which is dominated by Toyota Hilux etc.
Huge discounts right now in Canada $17-20k off on the Classic .My friend is having a hard time deciding between the Classic and the new body style .we both agree the new body style looks better on the inside and out he wants a red sport . He’s also having a hard time deciding because the Classic has huge discounts right now
I'd pick the Classic any day, I just don't like the vehicles these days and the Classic is so incredibly refreshing. Apparently the Classic is also classic because it doesn't cost a fortune!
"Known as a Dodge Ram when it was originally released..." I know they changed the brand name, but 10 years later a lot of people still call them Dodges. I don't think they'll ever be able to change that completely.
I just paid $16,000 off MSRP for a classic. It's impossible to justify double the price for a loaded new ram 1500 with the same engine. Truck end of the day..
Yup. Once we get settled in to our new vehicles we realize that we don’t really need half the bells & whistles that are on today’s luxury vehicles. Enter the 1500 Classic.
I've always wondered why certain auto manufacturers sometimes will have two different Generations in production at the same time. I wonder if it's difficult to completely switch all of production to the new model in a single year? Seems like it would confuse a lot of consumers.
@@kevina2052 ..You're dumb...they are selling these like crazy and blew past Chevrolet in sales! They make all new parts for them,they dont stock pile 200,000 plus truck parts ,they wont have the room for it! Are you really that dumb?
Still being built today! Either they have a shit ton of leftover parts or they are genuinely building it for the people who want it (and companies who want to the get the very cheep regular cab).
@@Redline1986 Really the sales are high? That gives me hope. Not only is this the actual RAM worktruck but if it's also selling hot it will still be built for a long time. When the new RAM will only have the turbo 6 this Classic will still be rocking the V8.💪
Just picked up a brand new 2023 Ram Classic Tradesman (with a few packages) and LOVE it!! Don't care about the huge/ugly screen of the new one. The V6 Pentastar is a proven engine with excellent long-term reliability. The 4x4 system is solid and simple. Prefer the bench seat up front than a huge console. The new eTorq systems are not proving to be reliable with quite a few issues/problems - check NHTSA and research. Sometimes, a basic truck is truly all you need - especially with proven reliability and service. The Fords (I am a huge Ford fan and have owned quite a few over the years) are also problematic with the eco-toast motors. Dealer knocked off $16k from the MSRP and I drove mine off the lot for about $32k brand new. If you want a simple, basic (less to go wrong) truck, snag one of these Classics before RAM discontinues the truck.
But RAM gives a better rebate on the Classic than on the new body style making it effectively cheaper, that's why I bought a 2019 Classic and love it. At least I know in that generation the bugs have been worked out. Also they mentioned the Eco diesel. Don't know about 2020, but it was available in the 2019 Classic.
I just bought a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Laramie ecodiesel, it is a very nice truck and it is loaded with features. It had a MSRP of $50,265 dollars and out the door with extended warranty, loan and interest total cost will be $32,000 dollars. That is one hell of a deal on an a great truck.
Just a point of note John...I believe Ralph's last name is pronounced "Jill's", not "Gill-ees". Tons of respect for Mr. Gilles...he seems a very cool and capable guy!
$15,000 -$40,000 price difference for the Classic vs new style thus the classic outsells the new body style! Albeit the Classic doesn't offer the top trim but you can get a pretty loaded SLT model with bigger screen all options and its $29,000 cheaper than the same new style RAM
I just bought a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Laramie and it is pretty loaded, heated and ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, power folding mirrors, power rear window, power seats both driver and passenger with the driver have tons of adjustments and it has two memory settings, 8.4 infotainment system with navigation, LED lighting in the bed, very nice interior plus I like the 4th gen exterior styling better than the 5th gen exterior styling. Oh and the best part the MSRP was 50,265 dollars and with extended warranty and interest from the loan I will have a total out of pocket expense of $32,000 dollars when paid off. As loaded as this truck is to own it outright for $32,000 dollars is a great deal.
One would hope the older one would be more reliable since they have had so many years to get it right. But then one is reminded that this is a Chrysler.
I would love to have a 5th Gen. Ram 1500, but I just can't get passed the reliability issues. It really stinks that Ram would make such a great truck, but not make it reliable.
Reliability changed in the last 5 years. Believe me I been researching and bought my very first Ram in 2019. I was brand Loyal. Had Ford and GM. Ram has come a long way and continue to climb. I know people that have great success to this day. 250 K plus and still going. So I jumped ship and no regrets and no issue at ALL with the new 5th gen Ram. I’m happy so far and hope it continues.
I have owned Ram pickups since 1996 and have never had any reliability issues with any of them from the 5.9 Magnum and 5.2 magnum V-8's to the 4.7 V-8, the 5.9 Cummins, two 5.7 Hemi V-8's, 3.6 Pentastar V-6, 6.4 Hemi V-8 and now a 3.0 Ecodiesel V-6.
I’ve had Chevies and Fords over the years and my 2014 Ram Hemi quad 4x4 has put them all to shame in terms of fit and finish, ride, and reliability. As for fuel economy... not so much
@YourTypical Asian gonna say it right now, those Chevys are so trash one of them had failures at just 500 miles. And Fords cant tow as much as the ram can
I like everything about the new trucks except the front end - to me, they look boring, ever-so-slightly effeminate and too much like everything else out there. The Classic front end looks unique and more rugged/masculine. Just find a way to slap the front end of the classic on the next gen - and I'll take a next-gen, thanks. Thanks for this video, Motorweek.
It's still the same truck. So aside from just a couple things that need to be cut off and welded with older parts the front ends are interchangeable. I currently am watching a TH-cam channel of some guys putting a 2020 front end on a 2012 truck.
@Steve Silvas The Dodge Ram was built way before the Italians got to it, buy a 4th gen, still made right here in Warren, Michigan. Also the 5th gen is made in Sterling Heights, Michigan. You got Americans building these trucks and not outsourcing to china. Try doing some research next time Steve.
Chrysler/FCA has been doing this for decades...if there's still a market for the "old" version of a vehicle they'll keep producing them until the tooling wears out. Makes sense from an economic standpoint both for them and for consumers, who can usually get a pretty good discount on the older version vs. the new version where FCA is still recouping development costs
I just bought a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Laramie ecodiesel MSRP was 50,265. My cost out the door with extended warranty, loan and interest total out of pocket to me will be $32,000 dollars. Oh and that is over 48 months for the loan.
I have a 2017 4th Gen Ram. Some of us out here actually prefer the 4th gen and they can be had in the real world for quite a bit less money.
Yup. Even if they were exact same price I'd buy the Classic. It's the traditional truck with a V8 and no electric nonsense, it has an ignition key, it's proven and it doesn't have all the annoying tech features. That vertical touchscreen in the new one is absolutely disgusting.
I ordered a flame red 22 classic express with standard cab short bed and 5.7 because i heard it was the last year the standard cab would be offered. It's still the prettiest truck in town, a year later.
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All good here, next is Pat with some troubled GM owners.
Am I the only one who wants a new truck with no toushcreens?
Seriously, all I want is an AM/FM radio and a heater/AC unit.
I don't even want power windows.
All I want is a cheap, reliable, and hard working truck like my Grandfather used to have when I was a boy.
My '12 has crank windows
Had a 14 blackout edition reg cab shortbed 4x4 with about 460hp(modded) and loved it. Only thing I wish I had gotten was the 8spd(i got the old 6spd). That thing was so badass looking. The 5th gen doesn't have that badass look. Just looks nice to me. Rebel looks better but still not nearly as aggressive as the updated 4th gen from 2013+.
In my 17 years of driving, I have only owned Dodge Ram trucks. Over the years some brand new some used, some Very used. My current is a 2017 Tradesman 1500 I bought brand new. Sticker was 32,300. I paid 25,000. Every payment made with interest comes out to 29k and some change. Less than base price for it. Deals can be had especially on these base model fleet trucks. I'm old school and like work trucks. Came with a towing package and bedliner. It's a quadcab. Enough room for the family. Currently has 86k miles. I service it myself. The only issue to date was a faulty fuel injector in the 3.6. Took me 45 min to replace,good to go. I pull trailers often. At times exceeding the rating. Overall I'm happy with it. I don't like the brand itself. I feel Ram separates itself from it's customers and enthusiasts. However it's a familiar brand, inexpensive, easy to work on and does what I need. Enjoyed the review Motorweek. I'd go with the classic.
Nice to hear your truck getting used and that youre not afraid of wrenching on a new vehicle. After the first sentence I thought to myself maybe you should try something else, but the more I read, the more I understood that the truck is your perfect vehicle!
@@bingoberra18 I told myself the same back in January of 2017. I looked at them all except the Titan. Chevy,Ford, Toyota tundra. None of them below 30k dollars with the same specs. Didn't care for the Chevy seats or interior. In the end, you couldn't have said it better. I got the right truck for me. 👍
@Steve Silvas Hahaha nice! I bought a UAW built vehicle made in Warren Michigan. Look at Ford and Chevy and their Chinese stuff. Toyota is in the current process of sending more production to Mexico. I mean yeah It kinda sucks Ram is owned by a foreign conglomerate. but you won't buy anything these days that doesn't have things from a global parts bin. But at least I gave Americans jobs. Good enough for me.
@@2500mike you negotiated pretty well
I got the best of all worlds, a 2020 new body 1500 with a retro front bench seat, a retro two tone paint job (hydro blue and grey), the legendary 5.7L Hemi updated with eTorque, and the 2019 teething problems all fixed. Get some!
THE BEST PICKUP TRUCK EVER BUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here in Australia we only get the Classic. It starts at AUD$79,950 (V8) thanks to an expensive local RHD conversion plus lots of ticket clipping. But it's still competitive at that price due to a lack of real competitors in this market, which is dominated by Toyota Hilux etc.
You don’t have Ford F serie and GM trucks?
@@witp7928 Yes, they start at way over AUD$100K.
Huge discounts right now in Canada $17-20k off on the Classic .My friend is having a hard time deciding between the Classic and the new body style .we both agree the new body style looks better on the inside and out he wants a red sport . He’s also having a hard time deciding because the Classic has huge discounts right now
I'd pick the Classic any day, I just don't like the vehicles these days and the Classic is so incredibly refreshing. Apparently the Classic is also classic because it doesn't cost a fortune!
"Known as a Dodge Ram when it was originally released..." I know they changed the brand name, but 10 years later a lot of people still call them Dodges. I don't think they'll ever be able to change that completely.
It’ll always be a dodge to me.
what do you call a dodge ram that was driven into a pole? not enough dodge and to much ram!
@@PC_CERTIFIED An improvement..
Nah! I actually like Rams.
Ram is dodge dodge is ram lol😭 tbh I still say Dodge Ram idgaf
I just paid $16,000 off MSRP for a classic. It's impossible to justify double the price for a loaded new ram 1500 with the same engine.
Truck end of the day..
Yup. Once we get settled in to our new vehicles we realize that we don’t really need half the bells & whistles that are on today’s luxury vehicles. Enter the 1500 Classic.
How is John Davis confusing what the eTorque system is?
Why do you think he's confused?
@@tomjanowski8584 Do you understand how the eTorque system works?
@@bradnimbus4836 Yes
@@tomjanowski8584 John is making it sound like eTorque adds to the maximum torque number. It doesn't. He should know better
I've always wondered why certain auto manufacturers sometimes will have two different Generations in production at the same time. I wonder if it's difficult to completely switch all of production to the new model in a single year? Seems like it would confuse a lot of consumers.
Ford did it with their f150 in 2005
Chevy did it with the Silverado in 2007 and maybe again afterwards not sure
Probably catering to different audiences. Those who want the latest and greatest and those who want something with all the kinks worked out
@@sparks2429 There are also people who just prefer the 4th gen. IGNITION KEY!
Because the 5th gen looks retarded.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 whats different
I prefer the voiceovers, like this video, versus seeing hosts on webcam.
Yeah better keep that social distancing
I think the classic looks better. I guess they're trying to use up leftover parts.
They have so many parts because these things constantly need them.
They are still currently being stamped new, the sales are high and both are selling well.
@@kevina2052 ..You're dumb...they are selling these like crazy and blew past Chevrolet in sales! They make all new parts for them,they dont stock pile 200,000 plus truck parts ,they wont have the room for it! Are you really that dumb?
Still being built today! Either they have a shit ton of leftover parts or they are genuinely building it for the people who want it (and companies who want to the get the very cheep regular cab).
@@Redline1986 Really the sales are high? That gives me hope. Not only is this the actual RAM worktruck but if it's also selling hot it will still be built for a long time. When the new RAM will only have the turbo 6 this Classic will still be rocking the V8.💪
4th generation has been around a LONG time (2009, wow). For re-sale, go 5th gen.
GW no it’s not! It’s WAY better than the ugly as hell 20’ Chevy! That thing is abortion. At least this looks like a dodge!
It's a vehicle, not a house. You don't buy a car for resale, you buy it to use the damn thing.
Just picked up a brand new 2023 Ram Classic Tradesman (with a few packages) and LOVE it!! Don't care about the huge/ugly screen of the new one. The V6 Pentastar is a proven engine with excellent long-term reliability. The 4x4 system is solid and simple. Prefer the bench seat up front than a huge console. The new eTorq systems are not proving to be reliable with quite a few issues/problems - check NHTSA and research. Sometimes, a basic truck is truly all you need - especially with proven reliability and service. The Fords (I am a huge Ford fan and have owned quite a few over the years) are also problematic with the eco-toast motors. Dealer knocked off $16k from the MSRP and I drove mine off the lot for about $32k brand new. If you want a simple, basic (less to go wrong) truck, snag one of these Classics before RAM discontinues the truck.
Both great trucks!
the Ram 1500 classic has been in production for over a decade.
2008!? That's a long ass life!
Classic is 3-4k cheaper if you offer candy or mint to salesman.
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OK....they will give you big dicount on classic's anyway.
But RAM gives a better rebate on the Classic than on the new body style making it effectively cheaper, that's why I bought a 2019 Classic and love it. At least I know in that generation the bugs have been worked out. Also they mentioned the Eco diesel. Don't know about 2020, but it was available in the 2019 Classic.
I just bought a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Laramie ecodiesel, it is a very nice truck and it is loaded with features. It had a MSRP of $50,265 dollars and out the door with extended warranty, loan and interest total cost will be $32,000 dollars. That is one hell of a deal on an a great truck.
@@yamahaventure9599 ONLY 32 THOUSAND?!?
Just a point of note John...I believe Ralph's last name is pronounced "Jill's", not "Gill-ees". Tons of respect for Mr. Gilles...he seems a very cool and capable guy!
Until his viper got beat by a c6 zr1 lol
$15,000 -$40,000 price difference for the Classic vs new style thus the classic outsells the new body style!
Albeit the Classic doesn't offer the top trim but you can get a pretty loaded SLT model with bigger screen all options and its $29,000 cheaper than the same new style RAM
I just bought a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Laramie and it is pretty loaded, heated and ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, power folding mirrors, power rear window, power seats both driver and passenger with the driver have tons of adjustments and it has two memory settings, 8.4 infotainment system with navigation, LED lighting in the bed, very nice interior plus I like the 4th gen exterior styling better than the 5th gen exterior styling. Oh and the best part the MSRP was 50,265 dollars and with extended warranty and interest from the loan I will have a total out of pocket expense of $32,000 dollars when paid off. As loaded as this truck is to own it outright for $32,000 dollars is a great deal.
Yup and they have huge discounts on the Classic here in Canada like $17k off a sport
That’s different and kind of cool.
If you're goofy enough to buy the classic, be prepared to get less for it when you go to sell it
Yeah really, $3000 saved for a truck that is essentially 12 years older..lol
They're both going to break. Flip a coin
Or just don't sell it. When I buy a truck, I drive it until it turns to dust.
@@kevina2052 hahahaha Kevin knows what's up 👍😉
Biggest reason in my mind is the new body is much safer, 10 times better in the overlap crash and roof strength.
フルサイズでラムチャージャー復活してほしい。
一世代前のラムの顔めっちゃ好き。ただどの車も分厚すぎる。
90年代のラム大好き。90年代ラムのようにボディが平べったいと、シャコタンしたとき最高にかっこいいからね🤗
outstanding!!!
bring back the srt 10
maybe with water methanol injection? maybe I'm asking too much?
One would hope the older one would be more reliable since they have had so many years to get it right. But then one is reminded that this is a Chrysler.
I don't see any Chevy/GMC, Ford, Toyota or Nissan service bays sitting empty without work.
@@yamahaventure9599 Big difference between an oil change and parts failing. The only brand I would trust out of the ones you listed is Toyota anyway.
I would love to have a 5th Gen. Ram 1500, but I just can't get passed the reliability issues.
It really stinks that Ram would make such a great truck, but not make it reliable.
Reliability changed in the last 5 years. Believe me I been researching and bought my very first Ram in 2019. I was brand Loyal. Had Ford and GM. Ram has come a long way and continue to climb. I know people that have great success to this day. 250 K plus and still going. So I jumped ship and no regrets and no issue at ALL with the new 5th gen Ram. I’m happy so far and hope it continues.
I have owned Ram pickups since 1996 and have never had any reliability issues with any of them from the 5.9 Magnum and 5.2 magnum V-8's to the 4.7 V-8, the 5.9 Cummins, two 5.7 Hemi V-8's, 3.6 Pentastar V-6, 6.4 Hemi V-8 and now a 3.0 Ecodiesel V-6.
Nice trucks.
I don’t care what year it is. I just want an all black Dodge Ram.
Get one brother. You’ll love it. I do. 😀
I'd prefer the 4th generation
I think the new one looks better on the inside; but the classic styling beats it on the outside.
Those trucks just look wrong with the tow mirrors down
The 5th gen also has much better crash ratings.
5th gen, hands down.
I’ve had Chevies and Fords over the years and my 2014 Ram Hemi quad 4x4 has put them all to shame in terms of fit and finish, ride, and reliability.
As for fuel economy... not so much
@YourTypical Asian gonna say it right now, those Chevys are so trash one of them had failures at just 500 miles. And Fords cant tow as much as the ram can
You don't buy these monsters for fuel economy.
I agree, I’m not brand loyal by any means but my 2014 1500 is rock solid, probably the most reliable vehicle I’ve ever had.
YourTypical Asian Nope!!!!! Sorry.
@YourTypical Asian You could have fooled me because the Ford service departments are never empty of Ford trucks to fix.
I like everything about the new trucks except the front end - to me, they look boring, ever-so-slightly effeminate and too much like everything else out there. The Classic front end looks unique and more rugged/masculine.
Just find a way to slap the front end of the classic on the next gen - and I'll take a next-gen, thanks.
Thanks for this video, Motorweek.
I agree with you.
@@usmcvet0313 👍
It's still the same truck. So aside from just a couple things that need to be cut off and welded with older parts the front ends are interchangeable. I currently am watching a TH-cam channel of some guys putting a 2020 front end on a 2012 truck.
4th gen looks much better. 5th gen looks gaudy as hell.
2020 ram 1500 tradesman v6 crew cab classic $21,999 on autotrader
4x2?
I'll take the fifth generation!
Classic is dated just like the f150, toyota and silverado, but good bang for the buck is you're using it as it is -a Truck.
Unless you're getting an AMAZING deal on the classic it makes absolutely no sense to buy.
Dodge Ram
@Steve Silvas The Dodge Ram was built way before the Italians got to it, buy a 4th gen, still made right here in Warren, Michigan. Also the 5th gen is made in Sterling Heights, Michigan. You got Americans building these trucks and not outsourcing to china. Try doing some research next time Steve.
Like I said. It's still shit even if it's Italian.
Redline0442 Amen brother!!!
Ralph JILLIES. ;)
Just buy a used Classic or the old design.
The 4th generation warlock trim lease at a great price . You can get a better deal on them compared to some midsize trucks out there.
Get the 5th gen
Don't know why they still make the 4th gen!
It's like apple still producing the iPhone 11 and the iPhone X
They still do produce older model phones
If they still sell, they 'll make em.
Chrysler/FCA has been doing this for decades...if there's still a market for the "old" version of a vehicle they'll keep producing them until the tooling wears out. Makes sense from an economic standpoint both for them and for consumers, who can usually get a pretty good discount on the older version vs. the new version where FCA is still recouping development costs
FCA has Tons of left over parts to produce the 4th gen truck ..
Because the tooling and machinery are long since paid off and there's clearly still a market.
The 4th gen is more American.
I like my trucks spicy.
Gotta be leftover
What’s wrong with Dodge. Bare bones single cab POS RAM for $29,000 ridiculous!
Yeah right. Those are leftovers
only an idiot buys the 2020 Classic and finances it over 96months...
I just bought a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic Laramie ecodiesel MSRP was 50,265. My cost out the door with extended warranty, loan and interest total out of pocket to me will be $32,000 dollars. Oh and that is over 48 months for the loan.
I'll keep my 2018 Laramie, it's the perfect truck