you usually don't see it before hand, more so "you don't see you are low on oil and when engine goes boom they deny your claim cause they will say you ran it with low oil".
Engineers always want to show how SMART they are! So take a basically foolproof device and complicate it to the point that it fails. Well done smart man!
@@recoilrob324 it isn't about showing how "smart" they are. Its about maximizing cost effectiveness (plastic is cheaper than steal) and also reduce weight to increase payload. All makes are practicing this self destructive engineering. Like the host said, including Toyota. I had just helped a friend with some preventative maintenance and I was flabbergasted when I learned it was a honda CRV with a 1.4L turbo w/ a CCV transmission. I normally see at least 2.0L or a V6. Maybe a 1.7L Turbo. I cautioned him to never let the engine oil go over 4000 miles and change his trans fluid every 30,000 miles, if he wants to see past 100,000 miles.
@@arbiter1it’s more so how cheap they are. Plastic everything lol. And even if it’s under warranty, the customer has to Uber to work for 2+ weeks til they fix it. Old cars are king, seems like every manufacturer these days is putting out cheap bullshit. Want me a 2014-15 HEMI, those were peak performance.
My Neighbor a recently ex Chrysler engineer said it best. They changed the durability testing because it failed every single test the old Hemi passed. They installed the dip stick behind the steering wheel to ensure it will make it outside of warranty without you pulling the dipstick and finding a glitter show that only a trolls movie could rival. He even said they lowered the 540hp motors tow ratings to be 2000lbs lower than the lower power unit because it gets so hot with zero additional cooling that it's constantly cooking itself and would not pass any test until they cut the test cycle and RPM and engine loads in half. He said everyone had cylinder three main bearing damage after testing and fractures in the cylinder head. It truly is a hot dumpster fire. He told this to me months ago before he got fired after 32 years on the job. Lease it never buy it 💀
@@TheGettyAdventures He was on the Hemi Engineering Team and won awards for helping with the design of the Hemi. So he help create those durabity testing cycles and none of those testing cycles are used on this motor at all. He said this motor is truly designed to get you to buy a 2500 truck if pushed at all it will fail. He also said it had issues with sand left in the casting as another issue they never got solved just told make it pass or else then they all got fired what a great company to buy a truck from. I went with his suggestion and got a Ford truck and he did the same thing as he said resale on any Ram product will go to the floor once China (BYD) owned this company very soon from what he heard as he left the Company and signed everything over to temp engineers located in India. Don't worry they all signed NDA's and got severance packages to never talk about it and why you will find no engineers talking about it now.
Does cylinder 3 have it's own specific main bearings? I call BS on your story. And how good was the previous testing if the last generation hemi passed?
You claim to be just a lowly mechanic. Well as an automotive mechanical engineer with 30 years at an OEM I can say you have a better overall grasp of what is going on than many of the engineers. Keep the great videos coming.
@@blazeandcyrus They ran great but that plastic housing wedged up under the fender made changing it a hour or more depending on the size of your hands. The electrical gremlins were certainly annoying.
It's really that simple. But it's not about quality it's about big profits. So these companies just fuck the customers. They would make a plastic engine if they could get it past warranty. And charge an extra 100 grand in the false elusion of saving the environment. And idiots would fall for it.
I'm happy Stellantis is being sued by its shareholders. Whether anything comes of it well see. They're such a bunch of clowns set on destroying Chrysler.
Well dodge has been struggling since the 80"s . As a mechanic I have always liked dodge because they had the fun engines and have been fairly easy to work on. That said I have made a lot of money independently because no one maintains their vehicle and dodges tend to require a lot of maintenance or they fall apart . As long as dodge makes it through this and give them a few years these engines might be ok.
Lmfao yeah until a lifter shits the bed. Even my 6.2 that didn’t have AFM with religious oil changes had a lifter failure. GM can’t nail those down in a 70 year old engine design 😂
It's just a matter of time before someone like Gale Banks makes an aluminum version as well as aluminum oil pan with a dip stick. The lack of a dip stick dates back to I know 2006-08 in Ford F-150 5.0 engined trucks on the automatic transmission. Supposedly "sealed for life"? I guess if life is 50,000-60,000 miles before the transmission pukes and Ford denies any warranty claim. Anyone that believes idiot lights and pseudo gauges to tell you that the oil level is good, I've got ocean front property in Iowa for sale, cheap.
@mizzouxc3824 if you’re that far gone you better know it before you pull a dipstick. lol. Keep trying funny guy. How many modern new engines you see with blown head gaskets? Remember on topic. He’s complaining about a motor with hardly any history. I agree with you. Never said dipstick was bad. I commented that COLOR means nothing. Look at original post. And finding milky oil is after the fact. You’re fvcked anyway. How does a dipstick prevent the failure. Look in the oil cap and pvc system if you’re losing coolant. Or pull the plug. Not the end of the world. So it don’t have a lazy stick. Improvise if it’s otherwise a good motor. Dipstick is one way to troubleshoot. You can have a blown head gasket or crack and not have coolant in the oil. RE: Cadillac Northstar 32V. If you’re a good mechanic you will know where to look if there is NOT a dipstick. Damn man. lol
The engine oil monitor supposed to tell you when to change it/low. My last car with a dipstick, I'd barely touched it as I looked at the engine monitor, no misread issues...
@ljmorris6496 what if that engine oil monitor shits the bed, your missing the point, they're removing the dipstick and only using sensors is ridiculous and a slap in the face. I think engine oil monitor sensors is a great idea just not on its own, that type of stuff can fail, it should be a adjunct not a new solution(to a problem that doesn't exist)
@@jez7433 I agree that diesels are black after the first start with new oil, but modern gasoline engines you can definitely tell the wear by looking at it. My oil doesn't usually get dark until I am ready to change it at about 5k miles on any of my three vehicles. I had a previous vehicle that still looked brand new at 5k and I let it go to 7k just to see and it started getting dark there. Now turbocharged gasoline vehicles are the ones that oil looks dirty at about 1000 miles... especially if you use cheap oil.
If you buy brand new cars your a dipstick they already know this and know that suckered buying there junk won't check it anyway and it won't last long anough to need a change
The state of modern vehicle design can be summed up by the fact that this giant company is removing oil dipsticks from their vehicles. The ability to *look at the real, physical oil level.*
BMW removed them over a decade ago...Porsche the same, must be a German thing, you can only access the level through a screen menu. Makes it hard to do your own oil changes, which is probably the reason they remove them...and the .02 savings.
@@PotatoeJoe69 Automatic transmissions in cars stopped having dipsticks around 2006 but at least automatic transmission fluid can last up to 100K miles due to advancements in formulations.
Even BMW doesn't try to squeeze that much horsepower out of a 3 L engine. And BMW doesn't pull heavy trailers. This engine is going to be such a disaster. Plastic thermostats. There is some wonderful European engineering there
@@kevinbarry71 actually,higher trim M3/m4 comps csi's come from factory making the same or a bit more than what dodge is making from their I6 from factory.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 and how many thousands of pounds of trailer can they pull? And those engines are hardly what you call a paragon of durability
I'm a technician at a Maserati/Alfa Romeo dealership and this engine is very similar to the 4 cylinder used by Alfa Romeo and now Maserati. The main issues I've seen are failing oil pumps, leaking turbo coolant lines, oil separator mixing oil and coolant, and turbo wastegate wearing out causing underboost. Hopefully the 3.0 L Hurricane will have improvements in those areas.
If Stellantis offered a dipstick, one could argue that your engine had adequate oil in it ,even tho the computer has told them it was run low. Its all about warranty .
Possibly within the engine operating software there maybe an engine shutdown feature if the oil level gets to low. It may have been programed to cut engine power or completely shut the engine down to prevent any catastrophic failure. If the oil level sensor ever fails (which they will at sometime) a dip stick is a good backup. Let's say that oil level sensor fails while a person is driving down the freeway at 70 mph and all of a sudden it goes from reading full to almost empty (warning the driver) and then the ECM shuts down the engine or severely reduces engine power now that puts that driver in dangerous situation. I'm sure the engineers at Stellatis thought about those senerios and hopefully within the programming will give the driver time to get to a safe place before complete engine shut down occurs. Time will tell.
Hu..sounds like AI... I will own what I want. That phrase is the rich man's creation to own us, work work work n be happy you will have zero and zero to hand down to the next generation. If a new economic crisis occurs let the rich man bear it and bail us out not the government with the future generations tax money. I say piss on that phrase. Agree?
This 3 litre engine offers no real increase in gas mileage over the 5.7, especially if you tow or haul with it. Your working a small Power plant much harder ( longevity will certainly suffer). Pay more for less is not the way to go.
Yep. A big ol gas chugging V8 will at least not have to work as hard, and thus will use similar amounts of gas and MUCH less wear on the engines. Part of why trucks hold onto value well is because their large engines are sturdy. A shame we no longer have V8 engines in sedans anymore; say what you want about mileage, but those Crown Vics are still chugging.
I have around 1000 miles on my brand new pushrod 302 converted to h.e.i. with a aluminum intake by elderbrock. On top i have a 600cfm elderbrock carberator. Its in a 85 Ford F150 4x4 with a np435 transmission and i went with mechanical fuel pump. Also with a 8ft bed and a nice camper shell. No catalytic coverters To the best of my math im getting 18.3 driving to and in town and 22 even on the interstate. The engine makes 200 hp with 280 torque per PowerTrain performance. Ive had the old truck up to 100 and it was still pulling. I did this just to see and wasnt trying to race it. From what i seen in this vid its a much better set up then what this 3 liter and it boggles my mind that this is the way trucks have went. Every thing in my engine bay is spacious and easy to get to with the oil filter where it should be. On the side of the engine and protected. Anyway....lolz
I'm sorry , but not sorry, but the dumbest thing for any manufacturer is not to Use a conventional oil dip stick !! Because the electronic engine dipstick sensor or sensors can go bad at any time !! Which is something else to worry about !! Plus these new Dodge/Stellantis are having major problems with Head gaskets, Camshafts, and Oil pump problems, and the Crankshaft Snapping in half !! My friend how is a Dodge Certify Technician ,has already seen 30 of these new TT Hurricane 6CYI engines coming into the Dealership blew up !! Plus he said , Dodge should have , work on a new Hemi V8 engine with just more Efficiency, for there V8 engine customers as a option still !! Which he said customers are Complaining about right now !!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It's not Dodge engineers it's Stellantis.. everyone assumes each brand has own engineering they don't!! Stellantis is French executives that's who everyone regardless of the brand reports too and to John Elkan he's the big big owner... Bottom line is they tried and trying to live off Chryslers brands and revenue now it's not working and they so far are unwilling to use their own foreign investment funds. So what's next sell or bankrupt it on ur way out. The US govt n taxpayer can foot the bill 💸 again. ? Something not right , oh and Trump SEC allowed this merger ,what an American Hero !! That guy is ..no different than the left sell out America
I have the first year of the G4 Ram, 2009, 5.7. I love the truck and have 240K miles on it. Since it's an 09, I have lifetime powertrain warranty. I guess that I will continue to wait and see how this engine plays out.
With 240k miles on it I would suggest that you replace the timing chain tensioner immediately. I mean, while it's apart, just go ahead and change the entire timing chain/gear set. I say this because my 2005 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 grenaded itself at 246k miles because the timing chain tensioner broke, the engine jumped time, and that destroyed everything. My engine was well maintained and taken care of. It wasn't using any oil, making any noises, and still produced stock power with no degradation. There was no warning sign. It just broke while I was on the highway, and valves started slapping pistons. It cost me $6k for a reman long block from Jasper to replace the engine, and by the time I had the torque converter and front seal of the transmission replaced while it was apart the total for all after labor was $9600. Changing that timing chain set is a much cheaper and easier option. Do it asap!
@@LeadStarDude The rest of the story is that I had a MDS lifter fail and damaged the cam. There was metal in the oil so my lifetime warranty provided me with a new engine about 15K miles ago. So 240K on the truck, but only a fraction of that on the Hemi.
@billy-bo-dilly surprised the lifetime warranty is not based on the current value of the truck and of the repair is more than the total value, they total it.
@@kmorris9098 Yes, if the replacement is more than the truck value, they "total" the warranty. But they cut you a check for the value of the vehicle and then the warranty is void. So at least you get that check.
It is beneficial to pay attention to what the members of the UAW are saying in their videos about the recent quality issues of Ram trucks. The loudest complaint recently has been with the wiring harnesses being too short with excessive pull placed on the connectors. This is causing a lot of random electrical issues where vehicles have to wait at the factory to go through a troubleshooting process and get fixed before they can be shipped to a dealer - not to mention future issues as the trucks are used. And since Stellantis just fired all of their engineers here in the US and shipped the work to Mexico and overseas, getting the issues recognized and fixed has been like herding cats with a cattle prod. Moral of the story - listen to the people who actually build the things...
Totally agree. Don't be a Beta Tester. I was going to buy the 2.0 (semi) Hybrid Wrangler in 2018. Took one look under the hood and....nahhhh. Bought the Pentastar instead. Same with 2018 and 2021 Challenger GT AWD and 2023 Gladiator. No issues whatsoever. I know of a few people that bought the 4xE - they've been in the shop really frequently, and the additional insult to injury was Jeep telling owners to not park in their garage. Crazy. Additionally - even if it IS covered under warranty - YOU still need to figure out how to get from "A to B". Hopefully there are loaners, but I've heard in some cases there's not..
Purchased a new 6.4 3500 in December. I really like that it has in production for a while. Was worried about what they were going to do with the gass hd in 2025. Done everything I need it to do so far this summer. Plann on maintaining it for the long game.
That engine is waaay overdue for a replacement. The power figures are weak, and it's a tired engine designed from the 2000s and released in the early 2010s. They should create a 7.2L v8 big block for the HD platform
Intense heat cycles and plastic parts never fair well. The removal of the dipstick is a move for Stellantis to hide engine damage until you are out of warranty
As the old saying goes, “there is no replacement for displacement“. Whenever you put a smaller engine in force feed it, you’re going to have problems with longevity. As for the thermostat, an item that’s been around for 100 years. Why change course? Also, didn’t manufacturers used to test engines like this for several hundred thousand miles before they ever sent them out to the public?
I disagree wholeheartedly ! I'm a mechanic with 45 years experience. Most of the non turbo engines have been quite good. The hemi and the Penestar are good solid engines. I have no desire to have a vehicle that is turbo and without a dipstick. I am disappointed Stelantas didn't just reengineered the hemi to meet smog standards . No reason why that couldn't have been done. All engines will have some issues but to have something new and modern with too much crap on it to make high HP and mpg isn't always better. I get a lot of 4,5 plus year old F-150's in my shop with turbo issues and extensive engine failure. No way a owner cannot change the oil regularly with turbo engines. Failure will happen. Plus too many damn plastic parts ! Just to save a few dollars and weight. Idiots at Stelantas indeed.
My impressions is that it is under displaced for the weight of vehicle. If anyone remembers the 3.9 Magnum in a full size truck struggled mightily. My feeling it 300ci 4.9l is the minimum displacement for useful full sized truck. I still believe in adage. No replacement for displacement.
The more power you try to squeeze out of small engines the greater the risk of blowing the motor. Then they add turbos…I’ll stick with my “too big, underpowered” truck engines.
@@lisam4503 agreed, but at the cost of longevity I'm gonna say they will go through a few turbos along the way and won't last much over 200k before they give up the ghost.
I agree. If they wanted an inline 6 then they should have made a 5.0 liter naturally aspirated inline 6. One with a long stroke for increased low-end torque.
As much as I hate to say it. 90% of people who come into our shop with failures due to no oil or low oil. Are people who are absolutely clueless on how to check there oil or feel that they don't have to do it for various stupid reasons. And lately more and more people are going into that category of clueless or lazy that it almost makes sense to have no dipstick and go with a sensor. Eventually all of our beloved brands will do it. Then again, I wish a dipstick was an option for those who are responsible and know how to check there oil or as you mentioned, both.
Yup that is my feeling on why this approach was taken. Curious if an aftermarket solution will emerge as really it should not be too difficult to add a dipstick.
I’ve seen a similar problem; people that cause engine issues by consistently overfilling the oil by checking it cold and filling it to the hot line. Removing the dipstick is easier than fighting warrantee claims.
Seems the rumors coming from TK's Garage and others were true. Considering this tiny engine making 400 to 540 HP and moving large vehicles make sense these break sooner. Funny how we see this trend of small turbo engines blowing on cars and trucks before the 3 year mark on other brands like Toyota, Ford and others, in the end they will never outlast any normal aspirated engine. As a Chrysler owner for more than 16 years I ran most of my cars 45 to 100 miles a day just to go to work here in South Cal; I have 01 Chrysler 300M never overheated, never melted gaskets, thermostats, never let me stranded other than my house twice due to old battery and a burnt starter, aside from rebuilding the transmission (around $2200 in 2012) I only spent around $5500 in repairs just an old simple SOHC V6 with a 4 speed Automatic from the 90's, excellent cruiser I only paid $3500 for the car in 2008, and of course my 2015 Charger Scat Pack ($45K) I only spent $3700 in tires and brakes plus a set of wheels for $1100, I haven't spent a dime on the engine and transmission and so far no Hemi tick :) I will keep my old gas hogs until the bitter end, I will never buy any tiny turbo engines or any Stellantis crap from here on.
I love the scat pack on the chargers. such a cool car. and pretty affordable which was the best part. I think ultimately Stellantis should of kept the Hemi around and gave people the choice of the 3L or the 5.7L
@@TheGettyAdventuresI think you can get away with less displacement with the inline vs a v6 because of the better mechanical leverages. Longer stroke equals more torque.
@@TheGettyAdventures It seems like some kind of corporate policy. Toyota's first inline-6 design was released in 1935 and they made exclusively inline 6-cylinder engines until the late 80s when their first ever V6 engine, the VZ was released. The 1FZ-FE in 1993 then was the last inline-6 they ever designed. Today the only inline-6 they still make is the 1HZ from 1990 which goes in the 70 Series Land Cruiser and Coaster bus in developing countries.
And i Agree on the new Dodge/Stellantis TT Hurricane 6CYI engines they should use a conventional engine oil dipstick and a Oil monitor sensor ,this way you would have both !! Which is alot better !!!
I drove a couple of them while checking out a slightly used 22 F150 a couple of months ago. The F150 had the 3.5 Ecoboost. Honestly I couldn't tell much difference between the two. It was a nice truck for sure but like many of you I was not a fan of "no dipstick" and it only having DI. I bought the F150(and saved a lot of money) and couldn't have been happier.
I saw this coming from a mile away. In order to have a lot of power and still meet emissions, small engines are being boosted beyond what they can reliably take. That and manufacturers have no problem sacrificing long term reliability in order to give the marketing team bigger numbers.
My 2017 Grand Cherokee with 5.7 just rolled over 100,000 miles. No major problems. Oil pan gasket water pump that’s it. I’m keeping it. Newer cars don’t appeal to me
My 5.7 2003 Dodge Ram 3500 dually just rolled over 160,000, and has provided excellent service since I bought it new. No problems whatsoever with the engine, and the only repairs of any kind for 21 years of service have been one right front wheel bearing shortly after purchase and very recently a cracked (plastic) radiator over-flow container which resulted in loss of coolant and overheating until replaced. I like this truck so much that I spent almost $20,000 to completely restore the body--new bumpers and fenders, total repaint job, and lots of other little stuff. It is now my big black classic. I also have a like-new 2022 RAM 1500 with the hemi, great vehicle and great fuel mileage too. My best pickup, however, is a 4WD 2009 3500 dually with turbocharged Cummins diesel; at 165,000 miles, this brute has had no mechanical problems since we put in service with a heavy welding bed and welding machine on the back.
I had a Ford F150 with the 2.7 L V6 and although it was very good on power and fuel consumption, there’s never gonna be a replacement for displacement. Turbo will eventually go bad and having a naturally aspirated V8 and a truck is just chefs kiss I’m glad I got my coyote 5.0 back.
They can do this cool thing where they lie, and deal with consequences later. People are doing independent motor test with the 8 cylinder trucks and these 4/6 cylinder turbos and the 8 cylinders are getting better mileage. Especially when pulling something heavy. It's either the government's pressure or the female leadership that's causing these companies to make such bad decisions
They should have put this engine in the Challenger and Charger a couple of years ago alongside the V8 to let it bed in before it was the only ICE show in town. As others have mentioned the capacity and high boost are not designed for towing. It looks like its a highly strung engine, total opposite of an unstressed V8. Make a metal thermostat housing using proven technology dating back decades as well...
As a kid, I was exposed to lots of British inline 6s. As an adult, I had nothing but 60s and 70s V8s. I have rediscovered American inline 6s and love them. Easy to rebuild and maintain, and once rebuilt, they run forever with only requiring the occasional tune-up (so simple) and oil change. For performance, add a turbo, which is simple with an inline, as well. As a kid, one thing that stuck out is that we did a dingle ball rebuild of the engine in my grandfather's P30 without removing the engine.
Not surprised at all. The Hurricane engine reminds of of what Scotty said in Star Trek 3 about the new Excelsior class warp drive,”The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.”
There are so many entrepreneurial aftermarket opportunities with this motor. -Design an oil pan with a dipstick -Design another intake manifold that incorporates port fuel injection as well as direct injection -Design (3d print) a metal thermostat housing. -Design a single turbo setup with manual wastgates The engine itself seems ok. it's just everything around seems like junk. Looking forward to seeing this engines true potential.
@JaccZc naw the block is fine. Its a closed deck design. My plant used to make that 2.0 liter engine before they moved it to Indiana. It's a good little motor.
@@Turshin Making it and driving the 2L is two way different things. current jeep owners in my family won't touch the 2L version... One of us had one and it blew rod bearings by 32K mile mark...they don't sound right from the get go is my experience
No matter if you are the first, second or third owner of any turbo engine, always have some kind of extended warranty. Otherwise, when a turbo let's loose, among other components, it will cause you a lot of financial pain. Agree they should have also included a dipstick.
Extended warranties are usually scams. my gma and gpa got one, it ONLY covers parts cost. Thats nice if you have parts fail all over. But her 17 cherokee is thankfully not. But i dont mind using aftermarket parts , as soon as the car needs those main things (with our drivin amount) they exist and arent 100 dollars for a rotor, for example. But if you dont work on cars..... i could see the argument. Its supposedly never ending, well see.
Pay me now or pay me later is the easiest way to explain this. The car makers sell it as a 20+mpg big truck but the day it breaks all that savings and then some is eaten up. Imagine owning this as a 10yr old used vehicle and having to maintain it.
Another big benefit of twin turbos on an inline 6, by having 3 cylinders drive each turbo, the exhaust pulses are 240 crank degrees apart. This can bring several benefits...
Here is the bottom line and we've seen it with the 3.5 ecoboost from Ford. You can't ask a turbo charged V6 to do the job of a V8 more efficiently nor have the longevity of a V8 that makes the HP and torque needed naturally aspirated. The hemi has it's problems, but this thing is gonna be a mess.
Except for the fact that the Ecoboost does it and does it well. Some folks just need to understand that V-8's arent the end all be all engine choice for a truck. I regularly tow anywhere from 6-10k feet and pass lethargic Hemi's, LS powered trucks, and Coyotes all day long.
A Day to replace a Thermostat??? Looks like there needs to be an aftermarket conversion to install a conventional thermostat in an aluminum housing and eliminate all of that plastic. I had issues with my '79 Z-28 Camaro over heating at higher speeds but not at light loads. I replaced two electric fans with a clutch fan and fan shroud .. still ran hot. Finally I spent $3.50 on a new Thermostat and totally solved the Problems. My 1955 Northwest Model 6 crane was running cold. It has a 1,103 Cubic Inch Murphey Diesel in it. Two new Thermostats were I think $110.00 each and they were made in China.
When in doubt, always choose cubic inches! Longevity is ALWAYS DIRECTLY related to unit loading and speed. Or how much pressure is on every square inch of bearing at what speed? Less pressure spread over more bearing surface, more thermal mass is always better. Thermostats don't have to be anything they weren't 60 years ago. At that power level, there are no small coolant issues. Same hp as some 15L Caterpillar engines in semis?? Wonder why Peterbuilt isn't knocking their door down to buy these. Think of the weight savings! Wouldn't last one pull up Eagle Mountain. An extreme example I know but think about it. This is a 180 cubic inch motor. A slant six was 225. Do you want to spray a slant six with a 400 hp fogger nitrous kit all the way across the country pulling a trailer? At least N2O has a cooling effect! Yes, this is built tougher, but there's been no magic new technology wand waved over engines to cancel the physics of wear and heat rejection. No dipstick is a clear indicator of planned failure. And I'm a mopar guy.
The thing about a dipstick is it also allows you to inspect the condition of the oil.. or inspect for contamination such as coolant in the oil if you ever got unlucky enough to blow a head gasket or something.
Most big diesels have the rod cap mating surface rotated so the rod will fit down the bore during assy... Pretty much every modern engine uses cracked rod caps, stronger and cheaper CGI block is much heavier than aluminum, every lb counts when you have to meet CAFE standards Many engineers have a very good idea what they are doing, they often get over-ruled by bean counters, that thermostat is a perfect example of engineering down to a cost
The air to water intercooler shortens the air path and improves transient response and provides a mass to help keep the intake cool longer in stop and go maneuvers.
I ran a 4 cyl turbo to 350K miles. I also used the best oil I could get and changed it often. No engine failures and one auto trans mini failure. One BIG difference is turbo pressure in this 6, mine was 14 psi. Great analysis in this video!
That is one gorgeous Jeep. You suggested that buyers hold off for a couple years before buying a vehicle with this engine. I do not believe Chrysler will be around much more than a year Stellantis will be out of business by then.
@@TheGettyAdventures Yep! Their own employees are telling people not to buy the vehicles coming out of ceertain factories because the quality is crap...and they literally have driven cars out and back in for dissassebly and reassembly the second and third time....plus their crazy ending of the Hemi/Hellcat cars for an electric charger lost them the only exciting product they built...The team from europe plus the ceo have no clue about the American market and are on a cut and slash rampage to placate shareholders...screw the product and customers......Hence the assured demise of Stellantis here in a few.
Yup, saved $ 0.001 per t'stat by using plastic instead of metal, but got that attaboy, gold star for meeting cost saving mandates, etc, etc, etc. Happening all too frequently!
My biggest issue with this engine is how much it’s been “hot rodded”. It’s an engine that is producing more than 100 hp/litter. That’s kind of in super car territory. This is a big problem for longevity. Most cars that have motors like this aren’t driven day after day. And most are never driven 300000 miles without a full rebuild. I think this is a bad decision on the manufacture to put this motor into a truck. The Ram lovers will still buy them and still drive them like maniacs. I can see that there is going a ton of these engines in scrapyards very soon.
exactly. A true truck buyer, buys a truck to be a truck, not an Interstate princess. These will be fun for On Ramps, but put a typical 7500# travel trailer behind them and set the stopwatch for self destruction.. The terrain I cover with the wifes 6.4l and our TT gives her truck a workout, no way I'd trust a hopped up 3.0 get us there. Besides, 2500's tow so confidently, 1500's woggle all over the place.. I'm excited about the Cummins 6.7 Octane.
The ecobost has been producing 120hp/liter for years. I haven’t heard of one those falling apart, frankly ever. The one exception is some I know who used it like a 3/4 ton for 200k miles and it threw a rod out the block. That’s the one exception I’ve heard of.
The problem with modern turbo engines in any pickup or SUV is that your looking for twice the sex but with only half the foreplay. Stick with a V8 truck and live with the poor gas mileage.
This is a good point. I’ll bet over time the out-of-pocket repair bills will be higher in total than the added fuel of a lower mileage V8. Not to mention inconvenience of repair downtime.
One of the best comments here, V8s belong in so called real Truck's, As an owner of a Ridgeline the V6 is fine for it, Why? Because it's NOT trying to replace a Real on frame truck, It does everything well within its ratings.. And so nice to drive.
I think an inline 6 sounds great in a car or pickup. Its crazy that they put it in the big truck. I say bring back the 360 no hemi for me unless they fix the oiling problem
Once again they've ruined a great idea, i have to say that as a 45 year mechanic, most people nowdays dont ever pop the hood let alone check fluid levels these days untill " horrible noises" are eminating😂😂😂 The first thing i learned as a child before i was allowed to drive was, open the hood, check your coolant level, oil level, and transmission fluid level BEFORE! starting anything!!!😂 that lesson has stayed with me all these years and guess what?i dont buy engines, transmissions, because every morning i check before firing. Just like a gun👍💯✌️
a crew cab 4x4 standard bed both get 19mpg combined lol there is next to no fuel economy difference. the real difference is the emissions. the turbo engines run hotter and produce less.
@@TheGettyAdventuresI just had a 5.7 4x4 crew cab Laramie and now I have a 4x4 crew cab Laramie standard output hurricane. It is slightly better on gas. Smoother/ quieter and faster
Doing my first one today. I'm CDJR mechanic of 33 years. Now, at 60 I'm not as good as I once was, but to make it short , "What a piece of junk". Took it apart, found the point of failure. Imagine, a broken pivot on the upper side to rotate the semi ball valve. Asked the Chevy guys if they had seen this. They said "Yes, but ours has an electric actuator instead of your wax pellet". So at least the pain will cover everyone buying a modern engine. Rant over .
I’ve only one dodge ram in my life, and that was enough. You couldn’t give me a MoePig. that’s what we called them in high school and that’s what they still are. Show me a truck for the cam goes bad at 120,000 miles only. I’m glad I got rid of mine at 92,000.
I will probably die with my Hemi. Being pressured to go electric, I don't know or care why they went with a six. Sixes can be made to sound good but nothing replaces a Hemi. Even my Wife loves our Hemi and by deleting the resonators and putting on a Magnafow muffler, we both have the sound we like.
The 4 liter I 6 was a great motor, especially in a wrangler with a 5 speed. Turbo horse power doesn't replace v8 torque. The 5.7 was a wonderful engine. This sounds like a Ford nightmare revisited.
The thermostat issue is actually what immediately ruled Dodge out of all future vehicles considerations for me... As someone who just bought a brand new 2024 truck. Absurd they went to sensor.
Nothing can ever replace the hemi I would never buy anything with this motor in it I would rather have the v6 which is way more reliable then this will ever be the engineers don’t know what they are doing they make everything harder on everyone
Imagine telling somebody they dont have to change their oil but every 5-10k miles but just wait until the dash tells you, dont give them a dipstick to check it and with the likelihood of potential sludge buildup coating the sensor that tells the dash that there is oil in it when its not….what could possibly go wrong?
Relax, it's still new. When it dies on the family vacation 1000 miles from home, you can tell us about the wonderful warranty care you receive as it sits on the lot for a month. Seriously though, I hope this doesnt happen to you.
I will keep my 2015 AWD Subaru Forester. CVT is still working great and it’s smooth and quiet. No engine warning lights yet. No leaks. It doesn’t burn any oil. No mechanic bills so far. I replaced the battery after 7 years even though it was working fine.
When Ford came out with their 2.7 ecoboost they overengineered it to avoid these kind of issues. They ran a stock 2.7 in the Baja 1000 and it ran great. Stellantis seemed to go the opposite direction. LOL
So they were experiencing such bad engine oil leaks in general that they felt the need to add a warning system instead of a dipstick? What does that say about the seals?
As far as the mechanical dipstick goes, there should necer ve an engine built without a physical dipstick, with very few exceptions, as a redundency. You should ALWAYS be able to physically check the oil level in any engine, and in my opinion in any transmission as well. The transmissions on these hurricane engine, tranny combinations also do not have a physical dipstick, and if the fluid level is not exactly Right, then they will not shift properly.
Both videos pros and cons had great information thanks. I will be getting one soon let you know how it goes. I test drove a Ram 1500 today with the hurricane engine and let me tell you it is a powerfully fast setup.
@@josiahwyncott7519 I agree but it also has 450 lb-ft of torque and can pull as much as 11000. The I6 turbo may be the perfect engine for this truck. Look at the 6.2 Cummins diesel which is a I6 turbo engine.
@@nicebunsmagoo5346 Yeah, but my point is that if you design something to fulfill two roles instead of one, like simply being suited for truck stuff, you are making things more complicated and expensive. But a fast and fun ride will always sell. You can see people online who will criticize good trucks because they don't go like a Miata. 🤷
@@jamesgullo8240 No all I am saying is that in theory the inline turbo 6 has the potential to be a good engine in a light truck application. In no way am I comparing it to the Cummings, it has to prove itself in the real world.
Let's be real. Engineers in many fields don't listen to mechanics, technicians, installers etc. If they did things would last longer, you wouldn't have to remove half the engine to get to spark plugs etc. They tend to listen to the financial department. What's cheaper, faster to assemble, when will it wear out an just be cheaper to buy a new truck instead of fix what you got. My favourite is lifetime fluid. Lifetime is length of warranty.
Engineers would think a bit more if they were required to repair the garage they designed. My sister had an early 2000 Escort. Some engineer decided putting an AC hard line right above the spark plug of cylinder 1 was a good idea.
My 2019 FIAT 1500 was the best truck I ever owned. I have a Ford F150 now because I wanted the 7.2kW generator, but that FIAT was just objectively a much better truck in many ways. My only real issues with it was a lackluster A\C and a pretty bad payload due to the Cadillac suspension.
16 years ago Ford Australia made their last iteration of a 60 year design inline 6 - the Barra. Absolutely bullet proof and ranged from 300hp up to a boosted 3000hp with a stock bottom end. Not complicated, reliable power and a flat torque curve from 2000rpm. Lots were used in taxi fleets with over a million kilometres before teardown.
Very much agreed! Felt like I've preached this enough in my videos that you guys are well educated on the benefits of port injection along side direct!
It's nice to have but I dont think it's mandatory for most uses. I think with good oil change intervals things will largely be fine, maybe requiring some cleaning at 100-150k miles if things are used hard. But that got me thinking, do any diesels have issues with carbon build up being they are all (I think) purely direct injected?
@@rogerrussell9544 It's not particularly great, but there are probably hundreds of thousands of vehicles on the road (if not millions) now that are DI only and likely are getting upwards of 100k+ miles without significant issues. I have a '15 Ecoboost, and being a little more concerned simply added a catch can (have 90k on it and it's running perfect), though from the forums and other sources I havent seen others with the same engine suffer any great catastrophes either. Maybe my CC saved me from one round of cleaning but other than that seems like many people make it a bigger deal than it really is.
An inline six makes a lot of sense due to its better balance and cheaper to build with one head. If it lasts 200K miles it will be great. No dipstick will just piss off most truck owners.
I doubt that I will buy one. I would rather overhaul an older truck with a 5.7 Hemi. Luckily I have a 2022. When I need a 3500 I will buy a used one with a 6.4 Hemi.
Stellantis engineers:
"Without a dipstick they won't see the glitter until warranty is expired"
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you usually don't see it before hand, more so "you don't see you are low on oil and when engine goes boom they deny your claim cause they will say you ran it with low oil".
GM trucks are the same as well. Mine started shuddering after the warranty went out.
take an oil sample every 10.000 miles
Nailed it!
Most cars today don't have dipsticks. It's bullshit.
Thermostats were perfected years ago. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Unless you're Stellantis, of course.
Engineers always want to show how SMART they are! So take a basically foolproof device and complicate it to the point that it fails. Well done smart man!
@@recoilrob324 it isn't about showing how "smart" they are. Its about maximizing cost effectiveness (plastic is cheaper than steal) and also reduce weight to increase payload. All makes are practicing this self destructive engineering. Like the host said, including Toyota. I had just helped a friend with some preventative maintenance and I was flabbergasted when I learned it was a honda CRV with a 1.4L turbo w/ a CCV transmission. I normally see at least 2.0L or a V6. Maybe a 1.7L Turbo. I cautioned him to never let the engine oil go over 4000 miles and change his trans fluid every 30,000 miles, if he wants to see past 100,000 miles.
I think they should have ran two conventional thermostats with staged openings or design it to fail in the open position.
@@MavHunter20XX you realize that the old thermastat weigh next to nothing. you only save maybe a few oz's at most doing what they did.
@@arbiter1it’s more so how cheap they are. Plastic everything lol. And even if it’s under warranty, the customer has to Uber to work for 2+ weeks til they fix it. Old cars are king, seems like every manufacturer these days is putting out cheap bullshit. Want me a 2014-15 HEMI, those were peak performance.
If your 3.0L engine makes up to 540 hp that cooling system better be overbuilt beyond belief.
As should the bearings .
It does have a different intercooler then the SO but yes agreed!
BMW engineers: Whaaaaaatttttttttt?
Stellantis and overbuilt don’t normally go together.
@@thestandardbearer6633 🤣🤣🤣🤣
My Neighbor a recently ex Chrysler engineer said it best. They changed the durability testing because it failed every single test the old Hemi passed. They installed the dip stick behind the steering wheel to ensure it will make it outside of warranty without you pulling the dipstick and finding a glitter show that only a trolls movie could rival. He even said they lowered the 540hp motors tow ratings to be 2000lbs lower than the lower power unit because it gets so hot with zero additional cooling that it's constantly cooking itself and would not pass any test until they cut the test cycle and RPM and engine loads in half. He said everyone had cylinder three main bearing damage after testing and fractures in the cylinder head. It truly is a hot dumpster fire. He told this to me months ago before he got fired after 32 years on the job. Lease it never buy it 💀
did not know they changed the durability testing.
@@TheGettyAdventures He was on the Hemi Engineering Team and won awards for helping with the design of the Hemi. So he help create those durabity testing cycles and none of those testing cycles are used on this motor at all. He said this motor is truly designed to get you to buy a 2500 truck if pushed at all it will fail. He also said it had issues with sand left in the casting as another issue they never got solved just told make it pass or else then they all got fired what a great company to buy a truck from. I went with his suggestion and got a Ford truck and he did the same thing as he said resale on any Ram product will go to the floor once China (BYD) owned this company very soon from what he heard as he left the Company and signed everything over to temp engineers located in India. Don't worry they all signed NDA's and got severance packages to never talk about it and why you will find no engineers talking about it now.
@@Shenkosky Tell your neighbor "Thank You" from a owner of 3 Hemi vehicles...all have been stellar in reliability and performance.
Does cylinder 3 have it's own specific main bearings? I call BS on your story. And how good was the previous testing if the last generation hemi passed?
This is completely bullshit and you made this all up 😂
You claim to be just a lowly mechanic. Well as an automotive mechanical engineer with 30 years at an OEM I can say you have a better overall grasp of what is going on than many of the engineers. Keep the great videos coming.
Yes he has the very best videos
Stellantis engineers: “we don’t have a fix for the thermostat yet”
Literally everyone on earth: “how about don’t make it out of fucking plastic?”
Boom! These idiots didn't learn anything from the Pentastars
@@blazeandcyrusbingo
@@blazeandcyrus They ran great but that plastic housing wedged up under the fender made changing it a hour or more depending on the size of your hands. The electrical gremlins were certainly annoying.
It's really that simple. But it's not about quality it's about big profits. So these companies just fuck the customers. They would make a plastic engine if they could get it past warranty. And charge an extra 100 grand in the false elusion of saving the environment. And idiots would fall for it.
@@PiratePete-te8qpthats the truth
Ram trucks with Hurricane engines do have a dipstick, it's located behind the steering wheel!
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I thought that was where the loose nut was!😂
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WHEW! Thanks for confirming!
@@ericbryant796 Welcome!
I love Rams. I love Challengers. I love Hemis. I fucking hate Stellantis.
Me too
I'm happy Stellantis is being sued by its shareholders. Whether anything comes of it well see. They're such a bunch of clowns set on destroying Chrysler.
@@Bandit69ply Trying to finish what Mercedes started.
Me too. The 90s RAM trucks are pretty cool but the dashboards are plagued with gold plastic toy syndrome.
Well dodge has been struggling since the 80"s . As a mechanic I have always liked dodge because they had the fun engines and have been fairly easy to work on. That said I have made a lot of money independently because no one maintains their vehicle and dodges tend to require a lot of maintenance or they fall apart . As long as dodge makes it through this and give them a few years these engines might be ok.
high tech +stellantis= you're screwed
Nailed it 😂😂
Lol true
ugly true
🥇 😂
Can't argue with math!
I'll stick with my LS with NO turbos. Don't need any more problems. Thanks for your time!
Just lifter issues 😅
Ya until the motor goes out like my 15 5.3 because of a lifter
Lmfao yeah until a lifter shits the bed. Even my 6.2 that didn’t have AFM with religious oil changes had a lifter failure. GM can’t nail those down in a 70 year old engine design 😂
Did you say a “Plastic Part” causes the failure? Golly Gee I’m Shocked 😮! Lmfao 🤣
Shocking!
Its practically all plastic...lol
It's not picking the best engine it's now picking something will the Fail less. 😭
It's just a matter of time before someone like Gale Banks makes an aluminum version as well as aluminum oil pan with a dip stick.
The lack of a dip stick dates back to I know 2006-08 in Ford F-150 5.0 engined trucks on the automatic transmission. Supposedly "sealed for life"? I guess if life is 50,000-60,000 miles before the transmission pukes and Ford denies any warranty claim.
Anyone that believes idiot lights and pseudo gauges to tell you that the oil level is good, I've got ocean front property in Iowa for sale, cheap.
This is the new 'space age chinese plastic'
The oil dipstick not only tells you the amount of oil in the engine, it also gives you a visual indication of how dirty or clean the oil is...
You can see/ smell problems in the oil..antifreeze..gasoline..metal glitter..no dipstick is $tupid..
@mizzouxc3824 if you’re that far gone you better know it before you pull a dipstick. lol. Keep trying funny guy. How many modern new engines you see with blown head gaskets? Remember on topic. He’s complaining about a motor with hardly any history. I agree with you. Never said dipstick was bad. I commented that COLOR means nothing. Look at original post. And finding milky oil is after the fact. You’re fvcked anyway. How does a dipstick prevent the failure. Look in the oil cap and pvc system if you’re losing coolant. Or pull the plug. Not the end of the world. So it don’t have a lazy stick. Improvise if it’s otherwise a good motor. Dipstick is one way to troubleshoot. You can have a blown head gasket or crack and not have coolant in the oil. RE: Cadillac Northstar 32V. If you’re a good mechanic you will know where to look if there is NOT a dipstick. Damn man. lol
The engine oil monitor supposed to tell you when to change it/low. My last car with a dipstick, I'd barely touched it as I looked at the engine monitor, no misread issues...
@ljmorris6496 what if that engine oil monitor shits the bed, your missing the point, they're removing the dipstick and only using sensors is ridiculous and a slap in the face. I think engine oil monitor sensors is a great idea just not on its own, that type of stuff can fail, it should be a adjunct not a new solution(to a problem that doesn't exist)
@@jez7433 I agree that diesels are black after the first start with new oil, but modern gasoline engines you can definitely tell the wear by looking at it. My oil doesn't usually get dark until I am ready to change it at about 5k miles on any of my three vehicles. I had a previous vehicle that still looked brand new at 5k and I let it go to 7k just to see and it started getting dark there. Now turbocharged gasoline vehicles are the ones that oil looks dirty at about 1000 miles... especially if you use cheap oil.
They definitely should have left the dipstick for those of us who aren't dipsticks.
I like seeing what the oil looks like.
I like to drizzle some oil on my ice cream because it tastes better after being in an engine and having a dipstick makes this so much easier
If you buy brand new cars your a dipstick they already know this and know that suckered buying there junk won't check it anyway and it won't last long anough to need a change
@@joshuatracy4829just tell us you're broke bud. Me and several of my friends have gotten brand new cars recently and definitely enjoy it
@joshuatracy4829 Exactly. I won't buy an engine with these flaws, but then I'll never buy new. Too much garbage.
The state of modern vehicle design can be summed up by the fact that this giant company is removing oil dipsticks from their vehicles. The ability to *look at the real, physical oil level.*
BMW removed them over a decade ago...Porsche the same, must be a German thing, you can only access the level through a screen menu. Makes it hard to do your own oil changes, which is probably the reason they remove them...and the .02 savings.
@@ericbryant796I’m having a brain fart here maybe …but how does that make it hard to do oil changes?
@@psfanboy79 Well you are right, it shouldn't...a better word choice would've been dissuade.
Most vehicles today don't have dipsticks. I think it's bullshit.
@@PotatoeJoe69 Automatic transmissions in cars stopped having dipsticks around 2006 but at least automatic transmission fluid can last up to 100K miles due to advancements in formulations.
Two hours to change a thermostat? What is wrong with these engineers?
No senior engineers slapping their juniors on the back of the hand for bone-head design.
Just accountants asking "can it be cheaper?"
They make the engineer remove the part they thought was put in a good place... make them think some
To quote bones, from star trek...."they love to change things"
Car makers don't make much on car sales, it's the Parts & Service that makes them money..
DEI hire
I am a Shop foreman at a Ram dealership. The engine runs well until it doesn't. We are having misfire issues with them under 1000 miles.
Even BMW doesn't try to squeeze that much horsepower out of a 3 L engine. And BMW doesn't pull heavy trailers. This engine is going to be such a disaster. Plastic thermostats. There is some wonderful European engineering there
Uh Bmw twin turbo x5 is almost identical
Chip tune and you’re at this level
That’s probably why the HO motor has a 2000 lb lower tow rating than the SO in the Ram 1500.
@@fastinradfordable thank you but I have no idea how that could be considered relevant. It's not from the factory
@@kevinbarry71 actually,higher trim M3/m4 comps csi's come from factory making the same or a bit more than what dodge is making from their I6 from factory.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 and how many thousands of pounds of trailer can they pull? And those engines are hardly what you call a paragon of durability
I'm a technician at a Maserati/Alfa Romeo dealership and this engine is very similar to the 4 cylinder used by Alfa Romeo and now Maserati. The main issues I've seen are failing oil pumps, leaking turbo coolant lines, oil separator mixing oil and coolant, and turbo wastegate wearing out causing underboost. Hopefully the 3.0 L Hurricane will have improvements in those areas.
If Stellantis offered a dipstick, one could argue that your engine had adequate oil in it ,even tho the computer has told them it was run low. Its all about warranty .
Very true! great point.
Possibly within the engine operating software there maybe an engine shutdown feature if the oil level gets to low. It may have been programed to cut engine power or completely shut the engine down to prevent any catastrophic failure. If the oil level sensor ever fails (which they will at sometime) a dip stick is a good backup. Let's say that oil level sensor fails while a person is driving down the freeway at 70 mph and all of a sudden it goes from reading full to almost empty (warning the driver) and then the ECM shuts down the engine or severely reduces engine power now that puts that driver in dangerous situation. I'm sure the engineers at Stellatis thought about those senerios and hopefully within the programming will give the driver time to get to a safe place before complete engine shut down occurs. Time will tell.
you will own nothing and be happy
Hu..sounds like AI... I will own what I want. That phrase is the rich man's creation to own us, work work work n be happy you will have zero and zero to hand down to the next generation. If a new economic crisis occurs let the rich man bear it and bail us out not the government with the future generations tax money. I say piss on that phrase. Agree?
This 3 litre engine offers no real increase in gas mileage over the 5.7, especially if you tow or haul with it. Your working a small Power plant much harder ( longevity will certainly suffer). Pay more for less is not the way to go.
Yep. A big ol gas chugging V8 will at least not have to work as hard, and thus will use similar amounts of gas and MUCH less wear on the engines.
Part of why trucks hold onto value well is because their large engines are sturdy. A shame we no longer have V8 engines in sedans anymore; say what you want about mileage, but those Crown Vics are still chugging.
I agree, I'm a senior master service tech ,the six sucks on towing
Not to mention, it has to use Premium fuel!
I have around 1000 miles on my brand new pushrod 302 converted to h.e.i. with a aluminum intake by elderbrock.
On top i have a 600cfm elderbrock carberator.
Its in a 85 Ford F150 4x4 with a np435 transmission and i went with mechanical fuel pump. Also with a 8ft bed and a nice camper shell.
No catalytic coverters
To the best of my math im getting 18.3 driving to and in town and 22 even on the interstate.
The engine makes 200 hp with 280 torque per PowerTrain performance.
Ive had the old truck up to 100 and it was still pulling.
I did this just to see and wasnt trying to race it.
From what i seen in this vid its a much better set up then what this 3 liter and it boggles my mind that this is the way trucks have went.
Every thing in my engine bay is spacious and easy to get to with the oil filter where it should be.
On the side of the engine and protected.
Anyway....lolz
Cost down engineering and overly complex parts made of cheap plastic=many potential failure points.
Come on, the engineers they have in Morocco and India can sort it out, can't they? Shame they fired all the engineers in Auburn Hills.
True, but they’ve been doing this for decades already…
@@T410ce Stellantis has? They haven't been around that long.
@@T410ce Has reliability gone up or down in that same time frame?
Everyone has been using plastic engine parts for decades. Stellantis did not invent the use of plastic parts
I'm sorry , but not sorry, but the dumbest thing for any manufacturer is not to Use a conventional oil dip stick !! Because the electronic engine dipstick sensor or sensors can go bad at any time !! Which is something else to worry about !! Plus these new Dodge/Stellantis are having major problems with Head gaskets, Camshafts, and Oil pump problems, and the Crankshaft Snapping in half !! My friend how is a Dodge Certify Technician ,has already seen 30 of these new TT Hurricane 6CYI engines coming into the Dealership blew up !! Plus he said , Dodge should have , work on a new Hemi V8 engine with just more Efficiency, for there V8 engine customers as a option still !! Which he said customers are Complaining about right now !!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It's not Dodge engineers it's Stellantis.. everyone assumes each brand has own engineering they don't!! Stellantis is French executives that's who everyone regardless of the brand reports too and to John Elkan he's the big big owner... Bottom line is they tried and trying to live off Chryslers brands and revenue now it's not working and they so far are unwilling to use their own foreign investment funds. So what's next sell or bankrupt it on ur way out. The US govt n taxpayer can foot the bill 💸 again. ? Something not right , oh and Trump SEC allowed this merger ,what an American Hero !! That guy is ..no different than the left sell out America
I have the first year of the G4 Ram, 2009, 5.7. I love the truck and have 240K miles on it. Since it's an 09, I have lifetime powertrain warranty. I guess that I will continue to wait and see how this engine plays out.
With 240k miles on it I would suggest that you replace the timing chain tensioner immediately. I mean, while it's apart, just go ahead and change the entire timing chain/gear set. I say this because my 2005 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 grenaded itself at 246k miles because the timing chain tensioner broke, the engine jumped time, and that destroyed everything.
My engine was well maintained and taken care of. It wasn't using any oil, making any noises, and still produced stock power with no degradation. There was no warning sign. It just broke while I was on the highway, and valves started slapping pistons.
It cost me $6k for a reman long block from Jasper to replace the engine, and by the time I had the torque converter and front seal of the transmission replaced while it was apart the total for all after labor was $9600.
Changing that timing chain set is a much cheaper and easier option. Do it asap!
@@LeadStarDude The rest of the story is that I had a MDS lifter fail and damaged the cam. There was metal in the oil so my lifetime warranty provided me with a new engine about 15K miles ago. So 240K on the truck, but only a fraction of that on the Hemi.
@billy-bo-dilly surprised the lifetime warranty is not based on the current value of the truck and of the repair is more than the total value, they total it.
@@kmorris9098 I have never heard of them using that excuse, but they just might try that at some point.
@@kmorris9098 Yes, if the replacement is more than the truck value, they "total" the warranty. But they cut you a check for the value of the vehicle and then the warranty is void. So at least you get that check.
It is beneficial to pay attention to what the members of the UAW are saying in their videos about the recent quality issues of Ram trucks. The loudest complaint recently has been with the wiring harnesses being too short with excessive pull placed on the connectors. This is causing a lot of random electrical issues where vehicles have to wait at the factory to go through a troubleshooting process and get fixed before they can be shipped to a dealer - not to mention future issues as the trucks are used. And since Stellantis just fired all of their engineers here in the US and shipped the work to Mexico and overseas, getting the issues recognized and fixed has been like herding cats with a cattle prod. Moral of the story - listen to the people who actually build the things...
Odds are an executive was involved in the making of this motor.
Most DA decisions come from some idiot sitting behind a desk trying to justify their job.
Yeah a French one from Stellantis...
The engineers probably designed all the things you talked about, but the bean counters nixed them
Totally agree. Don't be a Beta Tester. I was going to buy the 2.0 (semi) Hybrid Wrangler in 2018. Took one look under the hood and....nahhhh. Bought the Pentastar instead. Same with 2018 and 2021 Challenger GT AWD and 2023 Gladiator. No issues whatsoever.
I know of a few people that bought the 4xE - they've been in the shop really frequently, and the additional insult to injury was Jeep telling owners to not park in their garage. Crazy.
Additionally - even if it IS covered under warranty - YOU still need to figure out how to get from "A to B". Hopefully there are loaners, but I've heard in some cases there's not..
They kept the Pentastar around for good reason. It's been an incredibly reliable motor.
My 1990 Chevy 1500 and 1996 K2500 with 350s in them look better and better as time goes by.
They’ll run forever and if they don’t they’re cheap to rebuild
not too thrilled about it. At least they're keeping the 6.4 hemis in the 2500 line.
this is true, my 6.4L hemi has been good to me so far.
My dealer said the 6.4 was going away too….? I was pretty skeptical about that so I certainly hope not
Purchased a new 6.4 3500 in December. I really like that it has in production for a while. Was worried about what they were going to do with the gass hd in 2025. Done everything I need it to do so far this summer. Plann on maintaining it for the long game.
That engine is waaay overdue for a replacement. The power figures are weak, and it's a tired engine designed from the 2000s and released in the early 2010s. They should create a 7.2L v8 big block for the HD platform
Doesn’t the 6.4 have the same cam oiling issue as the 5.7 at idle/ low rpm?
Intense heat cycles and plastic parts never fair well. The removal of the dipstick is a move for Stellantis to hide engine damage until you are out of warranty
What an ignorant design for a thermostat.
Esp considering the little plastic peg that makes the thermostat stuck shut and over heat in the 3.6 pentastar.
Over the last 10+ yeara
Not if you're making money from it.
As the old saying goes, “there is no replacement for displacement“. Whenever you put a smaller engine in force feed it, you’re going to have problems with longevity. As for the thermostat, an item that’s been around for 100 years. Why change course? Also, didn’t manufacturers used to test engines like this for several hundred thousand miles before they ever sent them out to the public?
They used to, but I bet they now use a computer algorithm.
Yes sir they tested several hundred engines to a thousand miles. It's allllll good.
@@grndzro777 I would rather that they had tested 10 engines 200,000 miles
@@grndzro777 Probably FACT!
"in the real world" has always been a problem with Chrysler engineered vehicles
It's every manufacturer now
Please explain your conclusion relative to the 1970 Chrysler Newport. You did say "always".
@mikek5298 Chrysler has gone bankrupt and sold how many times?
Leys just say it's not because they make good vehicles!
@mikek5298 Chrysler has gone bankrupt and sold how many times?
Let's just say it's not because they make good reliable vehicles!
I disagree wholeheartedly ! I'm a mechanic with 45 years experience. Most of the non turbo engines have been quite good. The hemi and the Penestar are good solid engines. I have no desire to have a vehicle that is turbo and without a dipstick. I am disappointed Stelantas didn't just reengineered the hemi to meet smog standards . No reason why that couldn't have been done. All engines will have some issues but to have something new and modern with too much crap on it to make high HP and mpg isn't always better. I get a lot of 4,5 plus year old F-150's in my shop with turbo issues and extensive engine failure. No way a owner cannot change the oil regularly with turbo engines. Failure will happen. Plus too many damn plastic parts ! Just to save a few dollars and weight. Idiots at Stelantas indeed.
My impressions is that it is under displaced for the weight of vehicle. If anyone remembers the 3.9 Magnum in a full size truck struggled mightily. My feeling it 300ci 4.9l is the minimum displacement for useful full sized truck. I still believe in adage. No replacement for displacement.
The more power you try to squeeze out of small engines the greater the risk of blowing the motor. Then they add turbos…I’ll stick with my “too big, underpowered” truck engines.
So far everything I've seen is it outperforms both the Ford 5.0 and the GM 6.3 even at towing.
@@lisam4503 agreed, but at the cost of longevity I'm gonna say they will go through a few turbos along the way and won't last much over 200k before they give up the ghost.
I agree. If they wanted an inline 6 then they should have made a 5.0 liter naturally aspirated inline 6. One with a long stroke for increased low-end torque.
Yes and the 3.9 was worthless in a Dakota if you really worked it.
As much as I hate to say it. 90% of people who come into our shop with failures due to no oil or low oil. Are people who are absolutely clueless on how to check there oil or feel that they don't have to do it for various stupid reasons. And lately more and more people are going into that category of clueless or lazy that it almost makes sense to have no dipstick and go with a sensor. Eventually all of our beloved brands will do it.
Then again, I wish a dipstick was an option for those who are responsible and know how to check there oil or as you mentioned, both.
Yup that is my feeling on why this approach was taken. Curious if an aftermarket solution will emerge as really it should not be too difficult to add a dipstick.
Yup and ya can’t fix stupid. No cure…
I’ve seen a similar problem; people that cause engine issues by consistently overfilling the oil by checking it cold and filling it to the hot line.
Removing the dipstick is easier than fighting warrantee claims.
Seems the rumors coming from TK's Garage and others were true. Considering this tiny engine making 400 to 540 HP and moving large vehicles make sense these break sooner.
Funny how we see this trend of small turbo engines blowing on cars and trucks before the 3 year mark on other brands like Toyota, Ford and others, in the end they will never outlast any normal aspirated engine.
As a Chrysler owner for more than 16 years I ran most of my cars 45 to 100 miles a day just to go to work here in South Cal; I have 01 Chrysler 300M never overheated, never melted gaskets, thermostats, never let me stranded other than my house twice due to old battery and a burnt starter, aside from rebuilding the transmission (around $2200 in 2012) I only spent around $5500 in repairs just an old simple SOHC V6 with a 4 speed Automatic from the 90's, excellent cruiser I only paid $3500 for the car in 2008, and of course my 2015 Charger Scat Pack ($45K) I only spent $3700 in tires and brakes plus a set of wheels for $1100, I haven't spent a dime on the engine and transmission and so far no Hemi tick :)
I will keep my old gas hogs until the bitter end, I will never buy any tiny turbo engines or any Stellantis crap from here on.
I love the scat pack on the chargers. such a cool car. and pretty affordable which was the best part. I think ultimately Stellantis should of kept the Hemi around and gave people the choice of the 3L or the 5.7L
Man if only Toyota had returned to the inline-6 instead of that dudd V6.
It still shocks me they went with the V6. maybe size was the issues. Felt like they couldn't fit a 3.4L inline 6 into the engine bay?
@@TheGettyAdventuresI think you can get away with less displacement with the inline vs a v6 because of the better mechanical leverages. Longer stroke equals more torque.
@@joerapo what does stroke length have to do with engine configuration?
@@TheGettyAdventures The Tundra has at least a foot of empty space in front of the engine. It is very peculiar.
@@TheGettyAdventures It seems like some kind of corporate policy. Toyota's first inline-6 design was released in 1935 and they made exclusively inline 6-cylinder engines until the late 80s when their first ever V6 engine, the VZ was released. The 1FZ-FE in 1993 then was the last inline-6 they ever designed. Today the only inline-6 they still make is the 1HZ from 1990 which goes in the 70 Series Land Cruiser and Coaster bus in developing countries.
And i Agree on the new Dodge/Stellantis TT Hurricane 6CYI engines they should use a conventional engine oil dipstick and a Oil monitor sensor ,this way you would have both !! Which is alot better !!!
I drove a couple of them while checking out a slightly used 22 F150 a couple of months ago. The F150 had the 3.5 Ecoboost. Honestly I couldn't tell much difference between the two. It was a nice truck for sure but like many of you I was not a fan of "no dipstick" and it only having DI. I bought the F150(and saved a lot of money) and couldn't have been happier.
You won't really miss having a dipstick, the F150 monitor system is good at telling you the oil status...
@@ljmorris6496 Yes, well it will be my third one so I'm pretty familiar with it.
I saw this coming from a mile away.
In order to have a lot of power and still meet emissions, small engines are being boosted beyond what they can reliably take. That and manufacturers have no problem sacrificing long term reliability in order to give the marketing team bigger numbers.
My 2017 Grand Cherokee with 5.7 just rolled over 100,000 miles. No major problems. Oil pan gasket water pump that’s it. I’m keeping it. Newer cars don’t appeal to me
Still running an 08 GC Hemi 4X4. Replaced a starter and an alternator and a few batteries. Very few problems.
@@bills6093 how many miles? Have you had transmission and both differentials serviced?
My 5.7 2003 Dodge Ram 3500 dually just rolled over 160,000, and has provided excellent service since I bought it new. No problems whatsoever with the engine, and the only repairs of any kind for 21 years of service have been one right front wheel bearing shortly after purchase and very recently a cracked (plastic) radiator over-flow container which resulted in loss of coolant and overheating until replaced. I like this truck so much that I spent almost $20,000 to completely restore the body--new bumpers and fenders, total repaint job, and lots of other little stuff. It is now my big black classic. I also have a like-new 2022 RAM 1500 with the hemi, great vehicle and great fuel mileage too. My best pickup, however, is a 4WD 2009 3500 dually with turbocharged Cummins diesel; at 165,000 miles, this brute has had no mechanical problems since we put in service with a heavy welding bed and welding machine on the back.
@@ivanvernon7716 mine ticks at startup for 15 seconds then quiets down
@@TXCherokee try the new valvoline cleaning oil for a few changes, ive heard a lot of people are getting good results quieting
I had a Ford F150 with the 2.7 L V6 and although it was very good on power and fuel consumption, there’s never gonna be a replacement for displacement. Turbo will eventually go bad and having a naturally aspirated V8 and a truck is just chefs kiss I’m glad I got my coyote 5.0 back.
I love my 5.0
My guess is these inline 6 cylinders will not be long term reliable, a Stellantis blessing!
How does this happen? Don't they put hundreds of thousands of miles on their test mules?
They can do this cool thing where they lie, and deal with consequences later. People are doing independent motor test with the 8 cylinder trucks and these 4/6 cylinder turbos and the 8 cylinders are getting better mileage. Especially when pulling something heavy. It's either the government's pressure or the female leadership that's causing these companies to make such bad decisions
@@mach55r Female leadership, don't forget Camel-toe Harris!
In your words the cummins is inline 6 and is not reliable? The 4.0l in the old jeep is not reliable? Yeah de inline 6 is not reliable 😂
@@jeromegosselin218 They are not stressed to the level this is. And they were designed years ago.
They should have put this engine in the Challenger and Charger a couple of years ago alongside the V8 to let it bed in before it was the only ICE show in town.
As others have mentioned the capacity and high boost are not designed for towing. It looks like its a highly strung engine, total opposite of an unstressed V8.
Make a metal thermostat housing using proven technology dating back decades as well...
Far too complicated and expensive.
F. Caruso in Arizona
As a kid, I was exposed to lots of British inline 6s. As an adult, I had nothing but 60s and 70s V8s. I have rediscovered American inline 6s and love them. Easy to rebuild and maintain, and once rebuilt, they run forever with only requiring the occasional tune-up (so simple) and oil change. For performance, add a turbo, which is simple with an inline, as well.
As a kid, one thing that stuck out is that we did a dingle ball rebuild of the engine in my grandfather's P30 without removing the engine.
Not surprised at all. The Hurricane engine reminds of of what Scotty said in Star Trek 3 about the new Excelsior class warp drive,”The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.”
There are so many entrepreneurial aftermarket opportunities with this motor.
-Design an oil pan with a dipstick
-Design another intake manifold that incorporates port fuel injection as well as direct injection
-Design (3d print) a metal thermostat housing.
-Design a single turbo setup with manual wastgates
The engine itself seems ok. it's just everything around seems like junk. Looking forward to seeing this engines true potential.
Exactly!!! I'll be one of those making parts!!!
@@dcchris-311 If those parts can be made ill buy one. Until then I'm not taking a chance with this plastic junk
You forgot the part design a new block , that is not designed around adding two cylinders to the 2.OL turbo ... 😂
@JaccZc naw the block is fine. Its a closed deck design. My plant used to make that 2.0 liter engine before they moved it to Indiana. It's a good little motor.
@@Turshin Making it and driving the 2L is two way different things. current jeep owners in my family won't touch the 2L version... One of us had one and it blew rod bearings by 32K mile mark...they don't sound right from the get go is my experience
No matter if you are the first, second or third owner of any turbo engine, always have some kind of extended warranty. Otherwise, when a turbo let's loose, among other components, it will cause you a lot of financial pain. Agree they should have also included a dipstick.
Extended warranties are usually scams.
my gma and gpa got one, it ONLY covers parts cost. Thats nice if you have parts fail all over. But her 17 cherokee is thankfully not. But i dont mind using aftermarket parts , as soon as the car needs those main things (with our drivin amount) they exist and arent 100 dollars for a rotor, for example.
But if you dont work on cars..... i could see the argument. Its supposedly never ending, well see.
Pay me now or pay me later is the easiest way to explain this.
The car makers sell it as a 20+mpg big truck but the day it breaks all that savings and then some is eaten up. Imagine owning this as a 10yr old used vehicle and having to maintain it.
Another big benefit of twin turbos on an inline 6, by having 3 cylinders drive each turbo, the exhaust pulses are 240 crank degrees apart. This can bring several benefits...
Here is the bottom line and we've seen it with the 3.5 ecoboost from Ford. You can't ask a turbo charged V6 to do the job of a V8 more efficiently nor have the longevity of a V8 that makes the HP and torque needed naturally aspirated.
The hemi has it's problems, but this thing is gonna be a mess.
Except for the fact that the Ecoboost does it and does it well. Some folks just need to understand that V-8's arent the end all be all engine choice for a truck. I regularly tow anywhere from 6-10k feet and pass lethargic Hemi's, LS powered trucks, and Coyotes all day long.
Should've just kept the 5.7L. Simple, effective & sounds great 👍 Also..Why would i want a truck that sounds like a cheap Honda??🚽
I think the hurricane is a cool engine but they should of kept the Hemi as an option along side the hurricane.
@@TheGettyAdventures true sad for the owners of the wagoneer and grand wagoneer will it be reliable or spend mos in the shop
hey bro let’s not be dissing Honda 😂
@@TheGettyAdventuresare you getting payed to think its cool?
Stelantis will be the next ex car manufacturer. Usually the wrapping around the engine fails on a Stelantis. However, they now have both.
A Day to replace a Thermostat??? Looks like there needs to be an aftermarket conversion to install a conventional thermostat in an aluminum housing and eliminate all of that plastic.
I had issues with my '79 Z-28 Camaro over heating at higher speeds but not at light loads. I replaced two electric fans with a clutch fan and fan shroud .. still ran hot.
Finally I spent $3.50 on a new Thermostat and totally solved the Problems.
My 1955 Northwest Model 6 crane was running cold. It has a 1,103 Cubic Inch Murphey Diesel in it. Two new Thermostats were I think $110.00 each and they were made in China.
When in doubt, always choose cubic inches! Longevity is ALWAYS DIRECTLY related to unit loading and speed. Or how much pressure is on every square inch of bearing at what speed? Less pressure spread over more bearing surface, more thermal mass is always better. Thermostats don't have to be anything they weren't 60 years ago. At that power level, there are no small coolant issues. Same hp as some 15L Caterpillar engines in semis?? Wonder why Peterbuilt isn't knocking their door down to buy these. Think of the weight savings! Wouldn't last one pull up Eagle Mountain. An extreme example I know but think about it. This is a 180 cubic inch motor. A slant six was 225. Do you want to spray a slant six with a 400 hp fogger nitrous kit all the way across the country pulling a trailer? At least N2O has a cooling effect! Yes, this is built tougher, but there's been no magic new technology wand waved over engines to cancel the physics of wear and heat rejection. No dipstick is a clear indicator of planned failure. And I'm a mopar guy.
The more I hear about these new motors. The more I think about just rebuilding my 10 year old, proven V-8.
true
The thing about a dipstick is it also allows you to inspect the condition of the oil.. or inspect for contamination such as coolant in the oil if you ever got unlucky enough to blow a head gasket or something.
Most big diesels have the rod cap mating surface rotated so the rod will fit down the bore during assy...
Pretty much every modern engine uses cracked rod caps, stronger and cheaper
CGI block is much heavier than aluminum, every lb counts when you have to meet CAFE standards
Many engineers have a very good idea what they are doing, they often get over-ruled by bean counters, that thermostat is a perfect example of engineering down to a cost
The air to water intercooler shortens the air path and improves transient response and provides a mass to help keep the intake cool longer in stop and go maneuvers.
I ran a 4 cyl turbo to 350K miles. I also used the best oil I could get and changed it often. No engine failures and one auto trans mini failure. One BIG difference is turbo pressure in this 6, mine was 14 psi. Great analysis in this video!
That is one gorgeous Jeep. You suggested that buyers hold off for a couple years before buying a vehicle with this engine. I do not believe Chrysler will be around much more than a year Stellantis will be out of business by then.
You know the Jeep was actually very nice to drive. but a number of people have pointed that stellantis may be in some hot waters.
Too big to fail. Propping up the UAW will be the end goal.
@@TheGettyAdventures Yep! Their own employees are telling people not to buy the vehicles coming out of ceertain factories because the quality is crap...and they literally have driven cars out and back in for dissassebly and reassembly the second and third time....plus their crazy ending of the Hemi/Hellcat cars for an electric charger lost them the only exciting product they built...The team from europe plus the ceo have no clue about the American market and are on a cut and slash rampage to placate shareholders...screw the product and customers......Hence the assured demise of Stellantis here in a few.
Yup, saved $ 0.001 per t'stat by using plastic instead of metal, but got that attaboy, gold star for meeting cost saving mandates, etc, etc, etc.
Happening all too frequently!
My biggest issue with this engine is how much it’s been “hot rodded”. It’s an engine that is producing more than 100 hp/litter. That’s kind of in super car territory. This is a big problem for longevity. Most cars that have motors like this aren’t driven day after day. And most are never driven 300000 miles without a full rebuild. I think this is a bad decision on the manufacture to put this motor into a truck. The Ram lovers will still buy them and still drive them like maniacs. I can see that there is going a ton of these engines in scrapyards very soon.
exactly.
A true truck buyer, buys a truck to be a truck, not an Interstate princess. These will be fun for On Ramps, but put a typical 7500# travel trailer behind them and set the stopwatch for self destruction.. The terrain I cover with the wifes 6.4l and our TT gives her truck a workout, no way I'd trust a hopped up 3.0 get us there. Besides, 2500's tow so confidently, 1500's woggle all over the place.. I'm excited about the Cummins 6.7 Octane.
The ecobost has been producing 120hp/liter for years. I haven’t heard of one those falling apart, frankly ever. The one exception is some I know who used it like a 3/4 ton for 200k miles and it threw a rod out the block. That’s the one exception I’ve heard of.
Im a big fan of this engine and feel like its going to produce big numbers with some simple fixes. All forged internals. The rest is bolton stuff.
The problem with modern turbo engines in any pickup or SUV is that your looking for twice the sex but with only half the foreplay. Stick with a V8 truck and live with the poor gas mileage.
This is a good point. I’ll bet over time the out-of-pocket repair bills will be higher in total than the added fuel of a lower mileage V8. Not to mention inconvenience of repair downtime.
Plus the higher grade fuel cost
That is why I purchased a 21 Toyota Tundra with the 5.7. I'll take horrible MPG for the 5.7"s legendary reliability.
One of the best comments here, V8s belong in so called real Truck's, As an owner of a Ridgeline the V6 is fine for it, Why? Because it's NOT trying to replace a Real on frame truck, It does everything well within its ratings.. And so nice to drive.
If I was worried about saving gas ... I wouldn't ever push hard on that peddle that feeds my HEMI.😂😂😂😂
I think an inline 6 sounds great in a car or pickup. Its crazy that they put it in the big truck. I say bring back the 360 no hemi for me unless they fix the oiling problem
@2:57 Watch the caterpillar crawl up the front wheel 🐛
lmaoo I saw that when editing. Nature loves the green footprint the 3L Hurricane leave!!
Just checking the tread depth.
Oh the coolant line on the back of the block that can only be replaced by a frame off service is mint ......for the Hurricane TT I6
So silly 2 inch rubber hose in the middle of nowhere between 2 aluminum coolant pipes 🤦♂️
As someone who works at a CJDR dealer this engine will be a nightmare.
How is the 3.6 pentastar?
Once again they've ruined a great idea, i have to say that as a 45 year mechanic, most people nowdays dont ever pop the hood let alone check fluid levels these days untill " horrible noises" are eminating😂😂😂
The first thing i learned as a child before i was allowed to drive was, open the hood, check your coolant level, oil level, and transmission fluid level BEFORE! starting anything!!!😂 that lesson has stayed with me all these years and guess what?i dont buy engines, transmissions, because every morning i check before firing. Just like a gun👍💯✌️
All of that additional complexity for what advantages? Would truck owners rather sacrifice 2 mpg for greater reliability?
a crew cab 4x4 standard bed both get 19mpg combined lol there is next to no fuel economy difference. the real difference is the emissions. the turbo engines run hotter and produce less.
The 5.7 Hemi is not great for reliability. Maifold bolts, lifters eating cams, etc. The bar is already so low.
@@TheGettyAdventuresI just had a 5.7 4x4 crew cab Laramie and now I have a 4x4 crew cab Laramie standard output hurricane. It is slightly better on gas. Smoother/ quieter and faster
Federal regulation advantages. They wouldn't be doing this if that wasn't the case.
I sure would, but I have never been a gas mileage freak
I bet the stellanis engineers saw super high performance small displacement race engines and didnt realize that they're fully rebuilt after every race
No replacement for displacement…V8 for the win
Doing my first one today. I'm CDJR mechanic of 33 years. Now, at 60 I'm not as good as I once was, but to make it short , "What a piece of junk". Took it apart, found the point of failure. Imagine, a broken pivot on the upper side to rotate the semi ball valve. Asked the Chevy guys if they had seen this. They said "Yes, but ours has an electric actuator instead of your wax pellet". So at least the pain will cover everyone buying a modern engine.
Rant over .
GREAT VIDEO as usual. 🙂 Thanks for the very informative talk. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
I’ve only one dodge ram in my life, and that was enough. You couldn’t give me a MoePig. that’s what we called them in high school and that’s what they still are. Show me a truck for the cam goes bad at 120,000 miles only. I’m glad I got rid of mine at 92,000.
I will probably die with my Hemi. Being pressured to go electric, I don't know or care why they went with a six. Sixes can be made to sound good but nothing replaces a Hemi. Even my Wife loves our Hemi and by deleting the resonators and putting on a Magnafow muffler, we both have the sound we like.
The 4 liter I 6 was a great motor, especially in a wrangler with a 5 speed. Turbo horse power doesn't replace v8 torque. The 5.7 was a wonderful engine. This sounds like a Ford nightmare revisited.
A lot of manufacturers are having issues with new thermostats because they decided to change them to something similar to this
Subaru had went to plastic thermostat housings, it’s been a disaster
The thermostat issue is actually what immediately ruled Dodge out of all future vehicles considerations for me... As someone who just bought a brand new 2024 truck. Absurd they went to sensor.
Also Direct Fuel injection leads to dirty intake valves and intake runner from EGR discharge
Honest and straight forward presentation ,thanks,GaryJ.
Nothing can ever replace the hemi I would never buy anything with this motor in it I would rather have the v6 which is way more reliable then this will ever be the engineers don’t know what they are doing they make everything harder on everyone
Imagine telling somebody they dont have to change their oil but every 5-10k miles but just wait until the dash tells you, dont give them a dipstick to check it and with the likelihood of potential sludge buildup coating the sensor that tells the dash that there is oil in it when its not….what could possibly go wrong?
As a grand wagoneer obsidian owner, i have to say, this 3.0 tt engine is easily one of the engines of all time!
one of the WHAT engines of all time? Best? Worst?
He is exactly right.
It is one of the engines 😁
This comment will haunt his nightmares in 17 months and 9000 miles til it blows up for the first time
Relax, it's still new. When it dies on the family vacation 1000 miles from home, you can tell us about the wonderful warranty care you receive as it sits on the lot for a month. Seriously though, I hope this doesnt happen to you.
I will keep my 2015 AWD Subaru Forester. CVT is still working great and it’s smooth and quiet. No engine warning lights yet. No leaks. It doesn’t burn any oil. No mechanic bills so far. I replaced the battery after 7 years even though it was working fine.
No dip stick, no buy.
Oh plastic warping when dealing with hot coolant! I remember this one! GM 3800 series 2
I would never buy another Chrysler/fiat product again. Ever. Too many issues, but all the manufacturers seem to be having issues as well. Ugh
It is now Chrysler/Peugeot.
When Ford came out with their 2.7 ecoboost they overengineered it to avoid these kind of issues. They ran a stock 2.7 in the Baja 1000 and it ran great. Stellantis seemed to go the opposite direction. LOL
Is that why they're recalling them now for breaking and dropping intake valves?
@@stefanovichmichael9686 that's a recent issue that has nothing to do with the design. It's a part supplier quality issue. Duh.
So they were experiencing such bad engine oil leaks in general that they felt the need to add a warning system instead of a dipstick? What does that say about the seals?
As far as the mechanical dipstick goes, there should necer ve an engine built without a physical dipstick, with very few exceptions, as a redundency.
You should ALWAYS be able to physically check the oil level in any engine, and in my opinion in any transmission as well.
The transmissions on these hurricane engine, tranny combinations also do not have a physical dipstick, and if the fluid level is not exactly Right, then they will not shift properly.
Both videos pros and cons had great information thanks. I will be getting one soon let you know how it goes. I test drove a Ram 1500 today with the hurricane engine and let me tell you it is a powerfully fast setup.
Fast is for toys like a sports car.
@@josiahwyncott7519 I agree but it also has 450 lb-ft of torque and can pull as much as 11000. The I6 turbo may be the perfect engine for this truck. Look at the 6.2 Cummins diesel which is a I6 turbo engine.
@@nicebunsmagoo5346
Yeah, but my point is that if you design something to fulfill two roles instead of one, like simply being suited for truck stuff, you are making things more complicated and expensive.
But a fast and fun ride will always sell. You can see people online who will criticize good trucks because they don't go like a Miata. 🤷
@@nicebunsmagoo5346 Are you seriously comparing a Cummins I6 to a first year, over stressed Stellantis product?
@@jamesgullo8240 No all I am saying is that in theory the inline turbo 6 has the potential to be a good engine in a light truck application. In no way am I comparing it to the Cummings, it has to prove itself in the real world.
Let's be real. Engineers in many fields don't listen to mechanics, technicians, installers etc. If they did things would last longer, you wouldn't have to remove half the engine to get to spark plugs etc. They tend to listen to the financial department. What's cheaper, faster to assemble, when will it wear out an just be cheaper to buy a new truck instead of fix what you got. My favourite is lifetime fluid. Lifetime is length of warranty.
Engineers would think a bit more if they were required to repair the garage they designed. My sister had an early 2000 Escort. Some engineer decided putting an AC hard line right above the spark plug of cylinder 1 was a good idea.
A very expensive Fiat with a dress on. It is unfortunate that the buyers have to be the beta testers at their expense and risk.
They don't have to. Americans just can't stop themselves from buying pretty, expensive things no matter their situation...
I'm an American.
My 2019 FIAT 1500 was the best truck I ever owned. I have a Ford F150 now because I wanted the 7.2kW generator, but that FIAT was just objectively a much better truck in many ways. My only real issues with it was a lackluster A\C and a pretty bad payload due to the Cadillac suspension.
@@Cloud30000Fiat 1500???
Peugeot, not FIAT.
16 years ago Ford Australia made their last iteration of a 60 year design inline 6 - the Barra. Absolutely bullet proof and ranged from 300hp up to a boosted 3000hp with a stock bottom end. Not complicated, reliable power and a flat torque curve from 2000rpm. Lots were used in taxi fleets with over a million kilometres before teardown.
it should of had port injection add to
It should have had both, but then Stellantis loves pinching pennies.
Very much agreed! Felt like I've preached this enough in my videos that you guys are well educated on the benefits of port injection along side direct!
It's nice to have but I dont think it's mandatory for most uses. I think with good oil change intervals things will largely be fine, maybe requiring some cleaning at 100-150k miles if things are used hard.
But that got me thinking, do any diesels have issues with carbon build up being they are all (I think) purely direct injected?
@@ALMX5DP Carbon buildup in the valve intakes sucks with direct injection.
@@rogerrussell9544 It's not particularly great, but there are probably hundreds of thousands of vehicles on the road (if not millions) now that are DI only and likely are getting upwards of 100k+ miles without significant issues. I have a '15 Ecoboost, and being a little more concerned simply added a catch can (have 90k on it and it's running perfect), though from the forums and other sources I havent seen others with the same engine suffer any great catastrophes either. Maybe my CC saved me from one round of cleaning but other than that seems like many people make it a bigger deal than it really is.
An inline six makes a lot of sense due to its better balance and cheaper to build with one head. If it lasts 200K miles it will be great. No dipstick will just piss off most truck owners.
I doubt that I will buy one. I would rather overhaul an older truck with a 5.7 Hemi. Luckily I have a 2022. When I need a 3500 I will buy a used one with a 6.4 Hemi.
The turbo is part of the intake manifold. The 3L is going to be a maintenance nightmare once problems arise
That’s correct, head mounted/intake mounted turbos. Better lease or get a good warranty!