What on Earth Happened to the Thracians?
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- What on Earth happened to the Thracians? The Thracians were one of the earliest Indo-European groups to settle in Southeastern Europe and was located at the crossroads of multiple civilizations and as such has had a very tumultuous and dynamic history of the millennia, frequently swapping hands between many powerful empires in history. Today, the region known as Thrace in the corner of the European continent has a very different cultural, linguistic, political, ethnic, genetic and religious makeup than it did in the past. In the past 100 years, the makeup of Thrace and each region of Thrace, including Eastern Thrace in Turkey, Western Thrace in Greece and Northern Thrace in Bulgaria has undergone a dramatic and unforeseen transformation as one of the most unique and diverse regions of Europe. The people of Thrace today have connections to nearly every corner of the Eurasian landmass and beyond, which we will discuss in today’s video to see just who the people of Thrace are, how they got there, as well as their influences and evolution, starting from the ancient Thracians and Greeks colonies of antiquity to the Romans, Ottomans and others. Thanks for watching!
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because thracians are turk?
tehyre werent turk
@@BAHLANsarrola222 türk iş not an ethinicity
@@koseku3 it is an ethnicity, what makes you think it isn't?
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So happy you started posting again, your videos are always fascinating
especially considering how they regurgitate old and often debunked info
i just remembered his channel and i find out he’s posting again. feels good
@gunnasintern I searched up his channel a few months ago and saw he last posted two years ago I thought he quit TH-cam I was upset but yesterday I searched up his channel again to know about the Armenians and saw he's posting again then remembered that he stopped posting and realising he started again made me happy
I wonder why he disappeared. And now has come back. I hope he won't leave again.
One of the main reasons for the successful incursions of the Slavs south of the Danube was the fact that the local population, i.e. the Thracians, were not inclined to oppose the invaders. Moreover, having been politically and culturally oppressed by the foreign administration for many generations, burdened with taxes and levies, the Thracians tended in some cases to support the newcomers from the north. The Byzantine historian Procopius who witnessed the events testifies
that many of the inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula chose to abandon their homes and seek asylum with the barbarians. This was not accidental as the majority of Thracians were in a rather unenviableisituation in their native lands, being for the most part coloni or slaves. At the same time the Slavs were still at the stage of communaisocial system and slavery existed in milder forms.
Not only were they not inclined to oppose the invaders, the Bulgars and the local population got along very very well and collaborated right from the start, they fought with the Bulgars against the Byzantine Empire straight from the beginning. Which is also one of the reasons I suspect the Bulgars were actually culturally closer to the Indo-Europeans and not Turkic.
@@Wind_FalconComplete nonsense. Bulgaria has always been in these lands and there is enough information that rejects the Asian/Mongolian theory that you love so much.
@@Wind_FalconIt's called Bulgarians, not Bulgars.
Aria,is the first name of Thrace.
There were barely any Thracians to begin with. Thrace had been largely hellenized by the 7th century. The language went extinct at that point.
The narrative spun here, that the Thracians still had a separate non-Greek identity and were "oppressed" (which is historically unproven) is misleading at best and anti-Greek propaganda at worst.
Im a greek thracian from the tribe of Marides!
Helleno-thracian*Anyways nice
@@Ιοαννινα99παργα its the same
@@pitakotopoulos7740 welp since you use thracian as a term might as well use hellenic too since it sounds better than greek
@@Ιοαννινα99παργα
Greeks is a Greek word ,more ancient word from Hellenes.
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I also have some thracian ancestry from my grandfather, who's from eastern thrace and Spileo, which was most likely built by greeks from north thrace. Dont know which thracian tribes I descend from though lol, but considering my great grandmother was from Kirklareli I probably have heritage from the thynoi
In Turkey, persons from the provinces of Edirne, Tekirdağ, and Kırklareli, basically the European part of Turkey, except İstanbul are called #Trakyalı Thracian.
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So Thracians are Mongolian Selcuks now?!
Got it.🤡
Yeah but isnt that a regional identity?
@@Dinosaur315yes and no. It’s possible that a lot of people in these locations are descendants of thracians due to the expanse of the Ottoman Empire. My grandparents migrated down from East Bulgaria into Istanbul Turkey inheriting Turkish culture despite having a Bulgarian origin. It’s quite mixed.
@@Jaanikins I see. I'm asking because many turks in eastern thrace arent locals but from different regions or countries, like Greece thessaloniki or Crete or balkans in general.
Glad you’re back, and happy you made a video about the Thracians; love from Bulgaria! Come visit some time, we value people like you, and we have much for you to see (ie: Solnitsa).
Just don’t mention the Macedonians as anything but a Bulgarian region!! 😡😡
Bro is back
the return of the king
i miss 2017
@@belstar1128we all do 😢
@@belstar1128i used to live
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i`m Thracian from Bulgaria!!! Native Balkan populations have 50-60% Indigenous(Thracian) Gene pool!! Slavic is just a language family
Extensive DNA tests on ancient Thraecians have been done and it is known today that they were quasi-identical to Greeks. Deal with it.
Dacians spoke language similar to baltic language
@@CitsVariants I have no idea about any Dacian findings. All I know is that Dacians were not related to Thraecians who were more related to Greeks than anybody else and this is a proven fact, albeit one that Bulgaria and other Balkan and European states just don't like as it doesn't fit in their narrative.
Why don't you quote the Herodotes words? "The thracians was the most large people after the hindus" The Dacians was part of thracians tribes. The most of them can be found in actual Romanians/Aroumanians. But they constitued also the substrat for Bulgarians or Serbs.
"...most large people..." Might explain Maximinus Thrax.
@@PomazeBog1389lol
And Thracian Greeks who inhabited most of their land.
Greeks had lived in Thrace for the longest time of all modern groups, they are largely responsible for replacing the Thracian language and culture through Hellenization.
When the Slavs came, their language was almiost extinct, so the Greeks had shaped this region more than the Slavs ever did.
@@Michael_the_Drunkard It is not like that. The language that prevailed was the one that had meanwhile become church, but the layer that genetically absorbed both the Slavs and the Turkish Bulgarians decimated by Vasile Bulgaroctonul, was that of the Thracian-Geto-Romanians under their new form of Vlachs. Bulgarians are the same as the Franks. For this reason, Bulgarians and Macedonians are genetically closer to Romanians and Serbs than to Russians or Poles, for example.
@@CocoSon-zj5ojthere's no Macedonian nationality. Macedonians are Greeks. The " Macedonians " of Skopje are a mix of Serbs, Albanians and Bulgarians
Fun fact Spartacus was a Thracian
From Dacia.
say something fun
Wasnt Thracian also a gladiator type?
@@stephantheo6817this was fun to learn
@@LurkerAnonymous Thracians, Scythians, Dacians, Macedonians and so on are the same ppl but different tribes. Thrace, Dacia, Macedonia, Moesie weren't countries but territories of that one nation! Alexander the Great is also thracian. Macedonia was named after the thracian princess Maceda! It already has been proved - the same language, the same gods, the same culture with few diffrences here and there. And btw, the name of the scythians is explainable only on Bulgarian language! All greek gods are actually thracian gods. The ellens were named after the thracian god Ellen! There are lot's of common words between thracian and Bulgarian. And i don't know how ppl still believe that Bulgarian is turk language mixed with "slavic". Georgi S. Rakovski was the 1st eurpean who made translation from sanskrit to old bulgarian (around 150 years ago). He proves the connection between both languages! Pius PP. II says that moesians later were known as bulgarians. The same thing with the myrmidons (trojans), later they were called also Bulgarians! There are very Old Bulgarian songs about the Trojans. Is there any other nation that has songs about the rTojans? This means all that one nation with diffrent tribes spreaded around Eurasia. Later the ones who came from Asia to Europe they actually came back to their homelands!
Dude, you talked 2 minutes about Thracians and the rest was a history on the Ottoman empire and Turkey.This is not related at all for two reasons 1.Turks aren't from the Balkans, but Asia 2.Bulgaria has far, far more territory where Thracians historically lived and also far more historical finds
The Thracians were Hellenized, linguistically and culturally, starting already partially when the first Greek colonies were set up around 700BC, sped up by the Macedonian conquests, and by 200AD they were all Greek speaking. Some of them migrated to the neighboring region of Bithynia.
In the north they were Romanized and spoke Latin like Masaman mentioned in the video.
@@Wind_Falcon Romanization is not the same as Latinization. Greeks became Romanized as well, the reason why they called themselves "Ρώμαίοι", but not latinized
Only in your dreams, hahaha😅😅😅😅😅
I disagree, while they were hellenized both linguistically and culturally especially during the Odrysian Kingdom, they didn't speak natively Greek but Thracian. We know that they started using the Greek alphabet for their language, much of their customs became as well hellenized. But the Moesians became Latinized and Romanized, that's why we get the Proto-Romanian language in the region of Haemus Mons, while most of the Thracian tribes south of Haemus became mostly hellenized linguistically and romanized culturally
@@InAeternumRomaMaterThracian died out in the 600s and was replaced by Greek after 900 years of hellenization, beginning in earnest under Philip II of Macedonia.
Greeks were dominant in Thrace up to the early 1900s.
The video was 4 minutes of talking about the thracians followed by a 10 minute Turkish history lesson
10 minutes of anti-Turkish propoganda mixed with some Turkish history*
Thank you for the extensive video! Rarely do I hear someone speak about the Thracians and Thrace as a whole. Kind regards from Haskovo, one of the cities in Thrace!
They make videos but just repeat the lies from outdated books. There is a lot of new research just this will turn European history upside down and upset people so they keep the narrative.
@iumaser3219 Give me a break with your stupid and desperate Greek propaganda! There are NO "Greek"Gods!! You are invaders here who STOLE Thracian religion and civilization and called it "Greek"because you had nothing. Even the greek name for religion you got from the name Thrace. Of course all the mentioned toponymes and Gods can be explained with the Thracian(Bulgarian) language from Thrace to Athens but not with yours. The God Ares(Arey) is found in the Minoan script and just because you put "es" at end of the words don't make them " Greek". Or just because you gave new names to old names doesn't mean you have anything to do with them or founded them. You never invented writing when Linear A and B are the Bulgarian glagolitic alphabet, you got your writing from us and 4 letters from the Phoenicians. We can't use "Greek" letters and writing, when you never had any of your own. Ridiculous!!
Bulgaria (Thrace)is 4000 older than your fake nation. The thieves now try to sell us the stolen goods as "Greek". But we don't buy it. And remember, you live on others lands and other's history. You are identity thieves calling themselves "Mycenean" descendents when you destroyed Mycena and claiming the Thracians when you called them "barbarians".Get your meds, get psychiatric help.
I would suggest widening your research, I know everything you’ve presented, yet there are a lot of data missing. We cannot know anything for certain in history, by certain I mean 100%, a fact, let alone claim certain people as Greeks,Bulgarians, et cetera. I suggest you looking at this, if you are more curious: sparotok.blogspot.com/?m=1 . Also my comment was not on the topic of who is who, rather raising awareness of that region in the world. I don’t really want to go into disputes, rather learn and know, as far as history can provide knowledge and true facts. I understand people want to get their views and ideas heard, yet that was not the idea of my comment, therefore I don’t really see the relevance of the reply. But what you’ve written down for the most part is true, someone interested might read it and dive deeper into this disputed territory we call Thrace. Thanks for the comment! I appreciate it.
@@ivangeorgiev2684 I didn't want to start a dispute, it was that greek person who posted this many times under different comments. So I replied to him as it came as a notification. I am aware of the blog, in fact this is the only one I refer to and trust regarding ancient Bulgarian history.
Raising awareness is fine as long as people look at newer research. I know it's the usual thing to trust official information regarding history but people should be aware that history fraud exists. So the few Bulgarians here, like me , who comment are trying to bring understanding around the Thracian history for the sake of accuracy. We can't stay silent when they tell us we don't exist. They try to erase our identity by erasing the Thracians and their language from history. And replace it with a fake identity. Bulgarians and Thracians are the same people, there's nothing else that makes sense. This is about our identity, not about wanna be something.
Would love to see a "What on Earth Happened to the Franks?" video, personally.
They became french
@@tomasvrabec1845 A part of them also became Dutch, Belgian or German
They became Dutch, Flemish, Limburgish, Franconian, Luxembourgish, Hessian, Palatine, Frenchified, Walloonized, etc
Franconians
A fate worse than death - french
I love the way you use these charts, maps and other visualizations to tell this story. This is exceptional content for TH-cam - great work
10:12 Imbros was not majority Greek, it was totality Greek, not a single Turk lived on the island before 1923. And Turkey didn't capture it during wartime, it was ceded according to the Lausanne Treaty
bro made an entire account to comment greek propaganda on anything even remotely related to Greece or the balkans
@@siyacerI would 100% do this and I have no relation whatsoever with the balkans
@@siyacer This guy has been around for a while first of all and no he doesn't make ''greek propaganda'' lmao.
You can say that to all of Eastern Thrace. The region was majority Greek and ceded to the Turks without a fight.
Britain and Italy were worse enemies to Greece than Ataturk.
So dishonorable!
@@siyacer I haven't said a single thing that isn't factual here, and yet you make assumptions about whatever as if you know me. NPC activity
Your content is solid next-level material. So informative. I’m so glad you’re back.
There are no evidences that "Ancient Macedonian" language ever existed but the contrary, there are evidences that it was an Ancient Greek dialect as Doric, Ionic, Aeolian. In 0:50 the diagram shows falsely that it was a separate indoeuropean language.
Correct
Lemme guess, you are Greece? I love this nationalist obsession about ancient Macedonia, that nobody outside Macedonia and Greece cares about. It's just so petty.
@@mobo7420 To you its petty because its not about your culture, I'm sure your country obsesses over small details too.
@@mobo7420"It's so petty". Surely a Western cultureless consumer would say such a thing.
I can't say I am surprised.
@@mobo7420It is very important for the Greeks to appropriate everything Macedonian and Thracian. Thanks to this deception, they managed to steal lands that were never Greek. We are talking about half of Greece. Look at the old maps and you will understand what we are talking about. Ok, they have deceived the world with their mythology, but trying to get some mongolian aliens to us is more to me.
I've had this question for a very long time, but it was a nightmare to research on my own, without almost any materials. Thank you so much for making this video! I can't further express my appreciation :D
My family were Greeks from northern Thrake, we have always called ourselves Thrake Rum, probably the old self identification in the area.
Rum means orthodox Christian in ottoman terminology. Northern Greeks often called themselves that until 1912. Vlachs still call themselves that, making them the last greeks to do so.
7:11 Thrace was not conquered by Ataturk, it was surrendered to Turkey from Greece by the British.
so glad to see you're back dude, I was worried after you made that comment about having a failing liver then disappearing from youtube for multiple years
0:54 there is a big mistake in this chart. Ancient Macedonian was not an isolate but a Doric dialect of the Hellenic language
I have come across suggestions that Ancient Macedonian (the language of Alexander the Great) was a dialect of Greek, presumably similar to Doric, and also suggestions that it was a different language but closely related to Greek. I haven't heard that it was an isolate before, so I presume that that was a mistake.
[The language of the modern state of North Macedon is different; it is a South Slavic language that some people regard as a dialect of Bulgarian.]
@@richardlee653 Linguists have concluded that it was a Doric Greek dialect. But the vocabulary seems to be somewhat divergent, with Thracian and Illyrian loan words. The language isn't very well documented however as in writing they only used Attic Greek, which was the standard written form of Greek throughout the Hellenic states of the Mediterranean
@@richardlee653it is not presumed it is a known fact that Macedonian was essentially Dorian. They are about 184 inscriptions found in Macedonian soil that were written in Macedonian and not in the Attic dialect.
@@georgios_5342έχουν βρεθεί πολλές επιγραφές, έχει υπάρξει και βιβλίο για αυτό
Wasnt greek because you see the Burushaski language in Himalaya, has nothing in common with greek. Its related to romanian and albanian language.
Wrong info Bulgarians are far from turkik and closer to thracian than everyone else
The geographic name Bulgaria derives from Bulgars a Uralo Altaik/Turanic tribe came from Central Asia in the 7/8 century AC, actual today Bulgarian people is in large part perceptually Slavs! A little minority descended from Bulgars and they are mostly Muslims!🙏
Glad this format video is back
I’ve been deep diving into Thrace.
Vinca Culture or Danube Civilization which is like 7k years old, blew my mind.
All very fascinating.
Those 7k years old cultures were not Thracian. They were before the indo-europeans came to Europe.
@iumaser321👎👎👎👎👎9
Turdaş - Vinča culture. 5,500-3,500 BC
Thousands of years before the pyramids were built in Egypt... somewhere between the 5th and 3rd millennia BC, there was a European culture that spread around the Danube River, on the territory of Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria and Macedonia, but obvious traces of it being found throughout the Balkan Peninsula. It is about the Turdaș - Vinča culture. The name of the culture comes from the locality of Turdaș located in the central-eastern part of Transilvani in Romania. Vinča, from Serbia.
The famous "Tăblițe de la Tărtăria" from Romania with the first pictographic writing in the world are attributed to this culture. 7500 years.
Българите са автохтонното коренно население на Балканите и първите обитатели на планетата,които са се разпространявали в различни посоки и са се завръщали в родината МАЙКА България, хилядолетия преди да дойдеш на наша територия.Провери корените си когато идвате ВИЕ на Балканите от АЗИЯ или АФРИКА!!!@@ionbrad6753
The majority of traditions in Bulgaria are of thracian origin
And Y-Dna as well. Hence why most Bulgarians look non-Slavic
Ever thought of doing a version of this with food? Like how the tomato was cultivated and then spread throughout the world then how we now think of tomato sauce as Italian food lol.
fire of learning has some great videos like that on where foods originate
Great idea
If you want to check out historic food videos then I would recommend "Tasting History with Max Miller"
@@command-pidd7979-WhiteBrown yes
Im glad you are back making videos again ❤️
I'm so glad you're back
We're still here 💪🇷🇴🇧🇬🇲🇩🇲🇰
But the original Thracian culture is gone
@@michaeltnk1135they may been have victims of an ethnocide, however culture and memory is more than just customs and history. And they are still here regardless
@@michaeltnk1135has been for over 2000 years, but some traditions survive and most "south-slavs" are genetically Thracian predominantly.
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Interesting video though I wish you addressed the old Thracians a bit more
There is not that much info about them but could have had more traditions told
Glad you're back!
History of the Thracians
Kingdom of Thrace (460 BC-46 AD)
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Thracian Monarchs Family Tree | Ter I to Remetalk ІІІ
Kingdom of Thrace (460 BC - 46 AD)
List of the Thracian Kings:
1. Теr І, Odrysian dynasty/Одриска династия (460-445 BC)
2. Sparadok (445-431 BC)
3. Sitalk (431-424 BC)
4. Sevt І (424-410 BC)
5. Amadok І (410-390 BC)
6. Hebrizelm (390-384 BC)
7. Koto І (384-360 BC)
8. Amadok ІІ (360-351 BC)
9. Теr ІІ (351-342 BC)
10. Sevt ІІІ* (342-300 BC)
11. Koto ІІ (300-280 BC)
12. Raigo (also incorrect: Raygo), Thracian: Райго (280-270 BC)
13. Koto ІІІ (270-240 BC)
14. Reskupor І (240-215 BC)
15. Sevt ІV (215-190 BC)
16. Теr III (190-183 BC)
17. Теr ІV (183-172 BC)
18. Теr V (172-148 BC)
19. Теr VІ (148-100 BC)
20. Koto IV (100-87 BC)
21. Sadala І (87-79 BC)
22. Koto V (79-57 BC)
23. Koto VI, Sapaean dynasty/Сапейска династия (57-48 BC)
24. Reskupor II (48-42 BC)
25. Koto VII (42-31 BC)
26. Sadala ІІ (31 BC)
27. Koto VIII (31-18 BC)
28. Reskupor III (18-12 BC)
29. Remetalk І (12 BC-12 AC)
30. Koto IX (12-19 AC)
31. Remetalk ІІ (19-38 AC)
32. Remetalk ІІІ (38-46 AC)
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*Sevt ІІ, son of Maesad, local ruler in Thrace ("in southern districts") 405-391 BC.
Great video as always! Pontus would’ve been interesting! Keep up the good work 🙏
Very interesting, I never knew this, great job!
What on Earth Happened to the Thracians?
Nothing - they are very well and living a normal life in the Balkans, today known as ,,Bulgarians"
You see, its the Western Historitians who like to put ,,nicknames" to some people, due to lack of the ability to pronounce their original names and titles.
Thats why we - Bulgarians, have been called by many empires with different names.
Tracia literally means ,,Land which has tons of Mineral water" Same ,,Trachia" you can find in Georgia today, same region.
Trachians are just Bulgarians from Antiquity. All this ,,Ancient Greeks" were invented in 19th century by British Empire, when they created the state of Greece 1830, as an off-shore zone for the British Empire trade ships - therefore all you know about this region is from British Sources, British Encyclopedia, British Archeologists and so on .......
2:58 I don't get why people keep saying this. If you compare maps of the Ottoman Empire at it's height and the Roman Empire under Trajan, you can clearly see that the Roman Empire covers more land, despite what Wikipedia claims.
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Great Presentation! Dynamic, Well Researched and showing the changing forces.
Interesting topic, but you only looked at the modern region of Thrace which is based after the Roman province, Thracians also inhabited northern Bulgaria, parts of Romania and Serbia as well. And new genetic testing of Thracian burials actually shows that modern Bulgarians and other Balkan people have more Thracian in them as previously believed, the population wasn't completely destroyed by the Slavs but assimilated into their culture, same findings for the Bulgars who were thought to be a small minority in a sea of Slavs, making 45% of the population during the First Bulgarian Empire. Also a lot of traditions here in Bulgaria are coming from the Thracians.
Yes, Bulgarians have by inheritance many Thracian genes even if they speak a Slavic language, more than was thought.
Bulgarians are 55% Mediterranean on average. If you look at them they dont look anything like regular "slavs" for example if you look up Lazar Angelov who is a pure Bulgarian.
That 55% Mediterranean are Thracian genes, there were so many thracians living here and in romania so its almost impossible for the entire population to be wiped out just by mixing with slavic peoples. @@CocoSon-zj5oj
Cue the loud Bulgarian music.
The proto-Bulgars were indeed step-nomads of Turkic origin. But by the early 11th century the Bulgarians were the descendants not only of those proto-Bulgars but mainly of Slavs that had migrated but also of Greeks and Thracians that preceded them and remained in the region. So maybe in an over simplistic way let's say the Bulgarians were a mix of Slavic, Bulgar and Thraco-Greek populations that adopted the ethnonym of the ruling elites (Bulgar) but came to speak the language of the majority population (Slavic).
Yippee. I SO look forward to your videos.
Mans said yippee
@@Cyprian96 yup I said yippee
Hello from Türkiye
East Thrace became like a little balkan nowadays
Turks, Pomaks, Albanians, Romas, Bosnian etc.
Even there is a town where Ulah (Latin language speaker) people live in Thrace.
But most of non Turkic people became more and more Turkish through generation.
East Thracian call themself as "Trakyalı" (Thracian)
Little typo at 14:55, its "Sliven", not "Silven" :)
Please do a video about Scythians and Proto Indo Iranians
Wow. Your videos never ceae to impress. Thank you.
One of the best times in my life was in the land of Spartacus. Shout out to Pazardjik!
Thank you for this video! 3rd Gen removed Imvrian and there are very few videos/mentions of our island out there. Touching to see you mention us.
The Thracians inhabited almost the entire Balkan peninsula and today's Romania, the Dacians and the Getae are also Thracian tribes
Weren't they Celts?
Correct!
@@talknight2no Celtic tribes as Greek colonies and other ethnicities were living along the Thracian tribes in the Thracian territories. Till the Dacians united their northern tribes in their first centralized state and asked everyone living in their territory to recognize the authority of the Dacian state and the rule of the Dacian king. All the foreigners and foreign cities refused to in order to keep their "privileges" and autonomy. As a result the Dacian king declared war on them, conquered them all and imposed the Dacian state authority over them. During the wars a number of foreign communities (Celtic included) have been destroyed.
Nah, Only the east, the west was Illirian and the South (if you count that as lart of the peninsula) Greek
@@iskanderaga-ali3353 Apparently, geography is not your strength, Illyria was only in the western part of the Balkans and the most extreme parts (present-day Albania, Serbia, Croatia). The area of Thrace (present-day Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey) is the eastern and southern Balkans. There is no archaeological or historical evidence for Illyrians in Thrace
Came for the Ancient Thracians, stayed for the in-depth analysis of the demographic changes that took place in the region throughout the 20th century 🙏Nice video!!!
The barbarian incursions, which shook the Balkan Peninsula for three centuries, brought about radical ethnic and demographic changes. Part of the local population (mainly
Thracians and Illyrians) was killed and another was abducted into slavery. An insignificant number of newcomers of other ethnic origin - Germanic, Sarmatian and Turkic, settled in the Balkan Peninsula. Thus tne existing ethnic medley was further enriched. Yet the Thracians, some of whom were Hellenized or Romanized, though the majority preserved their ethnic in- tegrity, continued to dominate in the present-day Bulgarian lands. They were oppressed by the Byzantine administration, forced to pay heavy taxes and never ceased to strive to overthrow the foreign domination.
True after so many migrations and cultural/linguistic changes Bulgarians are still majority Thracian in ancestral composition
"They were oppressed by Byzantine (actually Roman) taxation?
Not only is their no proof that "a majority" of unhellenized Thracians still existed in the 600s (to the contrary) but there is even less proof that they were targeted for their ethnicity, which is impossible, since most of them spoke Greek and had no separate identity.
You are just spreading anti-Greek propaganda not supported by historical sources!
There is 0 proof, that unhellenized Thracians existed in considerable numbers in the 600s and even less for the fact that they were targeted for their ethnicity.
Most of them spoke Greek at that point and were loyal to their Roman government. The capital of Constantinople was literally in Thrace!
There was no foreign domination, you are just spreading misinformation!
@@raulpetrascu2696Greeks held more parts of the region than the Bulgarians, especially in the East!
Nope, there were barely Thracians that were not yet hellenized by the 7th century, but there is no proof that they were under foreign domination since the capital of the ERE. (Constantinople) was in Thrace.
They were loyal Greek-speaking citizens of the empire.
Your claims are not supported by history.
The thracian homeland is also where archeologists found the first manufactured gold peices ever found, they are around 8000 years old if im not mistaken
cool video
I still cant believe Greece was under Turkish rule. They survived battling each other for centuries, won The Trojan War, rocked the Persians, been part of local like empires, etc. Its almost unbelievable.
At the time of the Trojan War, the Greeks hadn't arrived in Europe yet dude 😊
@@АнтонПавлов-ц4зDo you even know that "Europe" is a greek word my dude? 😂
@@IWillSexUand Balkan is Turkic word😂
Spartacus is one of the most famous Thracians. Successors of the Thracians are Romania, Bulgaria and Macedonia
And Emperor Justinian and his friend Belisarius, both Roman Thracians
True!
Bro Greece has held most of Thrace throughout its history. So their case is stronger than that of the Slavs.
"Bulgarians are Bulgarians, not Turks, not Tatars, not Finns, not Huns, not Chuvash, not Slavs, and by their origin they belong to the most ancient pre-Indo-European peoples. Academician Nikolay Derzhavin, director of the Slavic Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, wrote this. He reached these conclusions on the basis of paleolinguistic analysis. Recent genetic and genomic studies confirm these his concepts.
He claims that the Bulgarians are proto-Indo-Europeans, i.e. the Bulgarians began to form as a people even before the formation of the Indo-Europeans (9800 years ago). Academician Derzhavin's concepts formed the basis of the Bulgarian history courses taught at Sofia University when Academician Derzhavin was president of the All-Russian Academy of Sciences. "
Most sane balkan nationalist
I found this video just after watching a video on Bulgarian history.
Which video?
One by History Marche about the conversion of Bulgaria and Tsar Simeon I.
I was just thinking about this the other day. Like when did the people of Thrace stop being Thracian? I was thinking more culturally than ethnically but still.
Some of them are still living in north Greece and speaking them old language, Macedo-romanian language.
@@ionelghiorghita688 How could Macedo-Romanian be their old language if it predates both modern Macedonian and Romanian? And old Macedonian was a Greek dialect?
Greek language itself was based on the Thracians language. The linguists are saying that about 50%of the Greek language words are from the substrate language which was the Thracian language. So the Macedonians living in the area were not too different to the Thracians. The Greeks were actually as the today jews, living in the "polis" making money from the goods trade, controling them neighbours by smaller or bigger conflicts, paying other peoples to protect their commercial routes, and ending controlling big armies and conquering new territories. They also borrowed a lot of culture from the Thracians. Everywhere in the world happened the same. The so called Indo-Europeans were a similar population as the Greeks and the Jews, patriarchy, warriors, authoritarian, possesion oriented, opposite to the previous cultures found in Europe. The Minoan and the Mycenaean cultures, as the Cucuteni - Trypillian culture were matriarchy, free people, no authority, no war weapons found, the land was in a common possession.... The Indo-Europeans didcin Germany/north West Europe first what the Greeks did in Greece few thousands of years later and the Romans did to the Ethruscans even later. Before all of this, the so called "old Europe" was pretty much a place of peace with people speaking languages pretty similar which split due to the conflicts much later. The conflicts were generated to keep people away of each other in terms of controlling them. Check this video. Is not so stupid as you can believe :th-cam.com/video/ICuK_y_hJm4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2t3YNw72dqoeZBqo
Masaman, it would be great if you made a video on the Bulgars.
To this day I don't understand why in every English language video on YT the creator asserts that Bulgars were Turkic. As far as I know, since they originate from right on the border between Indo-European and Turkic peoples, it's actually impossible to say currently which element was primary - were they originally an IE peoples that adopted some traits from their eastern neighbors, or where they a Turkic tribe that adopted some IE traits from their western ones. I don't think scientifically and factually we can make any claim either way with 100% accuracy, so I'm always baffled how people that make this Turkic claim come to their conclusions. Especially considering there is just as much evidence to support the IE origin as the Turkic one (and some empirical evidence on top of that).
With this question, you will anger the Russians, the Greeks, the Turks, the Austrians and the English. The topic of interests is very long. 😊
Even the name of "Bulgar" comes from turkish? Why r u even so mad?
CHAPTER LXXXIX
72. And Vitalian, whom we have just mentioned, raised a revolt against the emperor Anastasius, and seized Thrace and Scythia and Mysia, and mustered a numerous army. 73. And the emperor sent against him a general named Hypatius. And when they fought together, he was vanquished by Vitalian and taken prisoner. And on the payment of a large ransom he was set free. 74. But immediately on his return to the emperor, the latter removed him from his command, and appointed in his room another general, named Cyril, of the province of Illyria. 75. And he also gave battle to Vitalian, and there was great slaughter on both sides. Cyril the general retired into the city named Odyssus, and stayed there while Vitalian withdrew into the province of Bulgaria.
Year 515
I'm not mad, but I'm sick of the lame theories about us.
A month ago I watched a clip about the "mystery of Bulgarian voices". There was a comment that it was a Mongolian song that the Mongolian shepherds sing in the steppes. Also that we came from there. The next comment was that we were Tatars, but the Tatars destroyed the old Bulgaria. Then there is a version that we are Turkic, with absolutely no old sources. Just an aunt said it. Everyone tries to talk nonsense, in videos about Bulgaria. Do you have any reliable sources? I I am showing you a IRE source that mentions Bulgaria in 515, and a name is not easily imposed, especially in a windy place.Comments from all neighboring countries are trying to explain to us who we are. Dear God. It's as if we don't know.
@@aynenhaklsnkesinlikle7363 That's just how Старобългари has entered English. I didn't come up with this, this is just the way it is.
you should have talked about modern Thracians in Turkey, who are mostly descended from a mix of native Turks from Thrace and other migrants from the Balkans
türkiye's ethnic background is so complicated that we turks stopped thinking about it. we are just turk now
Well, unless you are from Turkey and don't want to be an ethnic Turk...
@@mobo7420 why should you discriminate yourself
Yeah and genocide oof. But to be fair Turks have also been genocided, for example the Crimean Tatars. That's not to say that the fate of the Greeks and Armenians is something you should be happy about
@georgios_5342 I understand that a lot of greeks died back in the 20s but it was mostly civilians acting on their own. The people who started the mass killings of greeks in the black sea were hanged by the ankara government
Why the hell did this become a video about Turkey? There isn't really a special connection between Thracians and Turkey. Sure, maybe the ones in the Thrace region of European Turkey and some random people in northwestern Anatolia where some Thracian tribes settled in antiquity have some connection to them (plus from relocated South Slav janissaries), but overall Turkey is not strongly linked with them.
I would say Bulgaria, North Macedonia, southern Romania, parts of Serbia, maybe even northern Greece, are the ones who are the most descended from the ancient Thracians (who were subsequently Romanized or Hellenized and then later Slavicized).
Nice video can you make something on illiryans
He talks about them in his video about South Slavs and Albanians. Check those out if you haven’t already 👍
nice video
I fucking love your videos
Me too
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its still crazy that in 2024 somehow its official theory that hittites were indo europeans...
1:32 you have a map that is every Skopjians wet dream. Μακεδονία macedon is a greek name meaning (roughly) the land of the tall/long men and are of doric stock. The Thracian,Phrygians were genetically linguistically and culturally very close to the Greeks. I haven't seen the rest of the video yet but this map is just so atrocious. You have even given the illyrians the morden day albanians borders plus the Greek island of Kerkyra Κέρκυρα in the south and took from them istria for example.Also the ancient Greek religion starts in thrace by Orpheus Ορφέας/Ορφεύς in his Orphic hymns Ορφικοί ύμνοι wich were written in a very very old greek language so they were one people. And to clarify the ancient Greeks had a lot of dialects and some of them in time became semi unreliable like Phrygian and Thracian. Think of it like latin and the romance languages.
Missed the entire point of the video buddy
I've got some points of contention here: the first being that Orpheus, having predated Homer by hundreds of years, is almost certainly a mythological figure.
The second has to do with linguistic classification. Going by the prevailing theories in the field (though these are by no means certain), it would be more accurate to say that Greek (which did include Macedonian) and Phrygian were closely-related sister languages, while Illyrian, Thracian and Dacian belonged to a separate branch of Indo-European.
Of course, just by sheer proximity, there was certainly massive amounts of genetic, cultural and linguistic exchange, but the point of deviation between Graeco-Phrygian and Illyro-Thracian was likely well into prehistory rather than one group branching off of the other (though there are interesting theories regarding both branches belonging to a larger grouping that also includes Armenian, they're very much in contention).
@@snakesmcgee7640 thank you for answering me. I would disagree with you a little bit and explain why. First Orpheus did existed like Dionysus and perceus did and the reason that we think that their existence is mythological is because we haven't find enough evidence to prove that yet.Just like the Minoan and Mycenaean civilizations wich were considered mythical until the archeological sites were found.The ancient Greeks,Thracians and Phrygians before they split to different groups were collectively known as Μινύες Minyans later on as Pelasgians then the Greeks as Èllines ect. Now about the language. The form of ancient greek of the Orphic hymns and the Iliad for example are very ancient (Alexander's dialect is closer to our today than the Homeric) and it is logical that dialects of that language such as Phrygian became at some point a different language. But still especially in the suffixes i can see the common rout. "Macedonian" was a doric based dialect and the southern Greeks (conquered by Phillip at that time) told that they spoke heavy Greek for example the made a lot of "F" to "V" Φερενίκη Ferenìki becomes Βερενίκη Verenìki (this is a girls name btw meaning she who brings victory) or the word for the sea was in doric dialects Σάλασσα Sàlassa in Ionian θάλαττα Thàlatta ect but we can't talk about different languages or people groups at this point because they are mutually intelligible.
@@Dragoncam13you didn't understand what i am talking about my friend.
@@kostashliopoulos9293 I didn’t,point is is that it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of the video. It’s just a map,no one cares about the Albanian nationalists and no one cares about the Greek nationalists. Anyone with a brain knows that a decent amount of Albanians are mixed with Greeks and Slavs anyways and all the the Bs that they try and claim are always achievements from other groups cause they’re ethnic mutts. Just leave it at that
The whole video you just discussed the demographics of the turks in Thrace,which doesnt equal thracians. The whole video had nothing to do with the thracians,but I had to listen to the history of the Ottoman Empire.
Also the thracians lived in northern Bulgaria(Moesia),Dobrudja and Macedonia too. That fact one region is called Thrace doesnt mean this is where thracians only lived. You also discussed a lot about Istanbul,which historically was never thracian,but greek. The whole coastline of Thrace wasnt inhabited by thracians,but you included those lands too. This only makes the native lands of the thracians appear to have less in common with the bulgarians, since you cut most of their territories which are in modern Bulgaria or in the historical native lands of Bulgaria (Pirot,Vardar Macedonia,Dobrudja,Aegean Macedonia) and then you add lands that have nothing to do with the thracians or the bulgarians like the coastline of the Agean and Istanbul, which is inhabited by 14m turks and thus the Thracian lands now appear to be nothing more than just a mix of turks and other people. .In reality if you look at ethnic map of the Balkans from the 1800s and from 2000 years ago, the borders look almost identical,with the serbo-croatians and albanians matching the illyrians,the bulgarians matching the thracians,the romanians matching the dacians and the greeks,well you know about the greeks.
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Honestly dealing with territories rather than people when trying to figure out where are the thracians, is kind of wrong. If you want to know where the thracians are...just look at bulgarians. Genetic studies concluded that from all the nations of the region only bulgarians have the largest amount of thracian DNA markers, and about 40% of the people identifying as bulgarians are marked as direct descendants of thracians(their DNA was direct match of the extracted thracian DNA samples). Linguistically the language of bulgarians and thracians share common traits and even many words. Where some linguists have the opinion that bulgarian is an updated version of thraican. Much like modern english is quite different than old english. In terms of names we also see a strong continuation of recorded names among thracians and bulgarians. And historians use old bulgarian to decipher topological thracian names.
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Most were massacred by the goths. The others got assimilated by all other populations - slavs, bulgars and so on. Currently thracians live through their descendandts - the modern day Bulgarians and other balkan peoples.
P.s the bulgars weren't turkic per-say, they were mixed. As Asparukh, Krum, Omurtag and some other names are iranian in origin. Their dna is West Eurasian (indo-european). So it's better to just say "bulgars" and no add an "ethnic" term to it, as most of that stuff is still debated.
Thracians did not cover just thrace. They lived all the way up to the Baltic. Essentially most if eastern Europe was thracians
Not the most, but only the BALTS (Lithuanians and Latvians, and Prussians). :)
@@geraroda2868@geraroda2868you look at the ancient map based on hereditary its most of eastern and Central europe. "balts" are just slavs with some Scandinavian and German admixture.
the center of thracianity was the balkans. Modern bulgaria and romania. Even up to the early middle ages the best romsn emperors were from that region and thracian. E.g Constantine the Great and Justinian the Great.
the evolved to bulgarians
Bulgarians occupied and slaughtered Thracians, wdym evolved 😂
The notion of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes has been a persistent narrative, often used to foster a sense of unity and historical continuity. However, a closer examination reveals the complexity and diversity within the Greek population, challenging the simplistic portrayal of ethnic homogeneity and direct lineage from the ancient Hellenes.
To begin with, Greece has been a crossroads of various civilizations throughout history, including interactions with Albanians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, and others. This rich history of cultural exchanges has inevitably left an imprint on the ethnic composition of the region. Genetic studies indicate a diversity of influences, reflecting the historical interactions and migrations that have shaped the genetic makeup of the Greek people. This diversity challenges the notion of a singular, homogeneous ethnic origin.
Moreover, the concept of ethnicity itself is complex and dynamic. It is not solely determined by genetic factors but is also influenced by cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. While the Hellenes were indeed one of the ancient tribes in the region, claiming a direct ethnic lineage from them oversimplifies the intricate processes of cultural assimilation, intermixing, and acculturation that have occurred over centuries.
Language, often considered a key marker of ethnic identity, also presents complexities. The modern Greeks language belongs to the Indo-European family but is distinct within this linguistic group. While it has roots in the Hellenic language, linguistic evolution and influences from Latin, Slavic, and other languages have contributed to its unique character. This linguistic complexity challenges the notion of a straightforward, unbroken linguistic continuity between ancient Hellenic and modern Greek.
Historical records further complicate the narrative of ethnic homogeneity. The region has witnessed migrations, invasions, and changes in political control, all of which have contributed to the diversity within the Greek population. The medieval period, for example, saw the influx of various groups, including Slavs and Normans, leaving lasting cultural and genetic impacts.
In conclusion, the idea of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes is a simplistic narrative that does not fully capture the complexity of Greece's history and the diversity within its population. Genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence points to a more nuanced and multifaceted reality, highlighting the need to approach the question of Greek identity with a recognition of the intricate processes of cultural evolution and interaction that have shaped the region over millennia.
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Nikov is the first Bulgarian historian to pay special attention to, and attri bute great significance to, the Turkic components in the Bulgarian ethnogen esis (i.e., after the Bulgars) and among the ruling aristocracy. He elaborated on the issue of the "Turkic element's" influence upon Bulgarian history in a 1928 unpublished manuscript (delivered as a public lecture). Nikov began with the following policy-setting statement:
There is no period in our history on which the Turkic element did not exert its strongest influence and did not leave the deepest traces in the development of our people. [...] None of the Balkan peoples has experi enced the Turkic influence so strongly as our people,
The Turkic pressure began from Central Asia and had two directions to the northwest through southern Russia, and to the southwest through Persia and Asia Minor. The Bulgarian state was founded due to one of the Turkic peoples, the Bulgars, who themselves joined a number of Turkic tribal alliances (of Huns, Kutrigurs, Utigurs, Avars, and Khazars). During Byzantine rule, the Turkic Pechenegs and Uz came from the north; many of them crossed the Danube and were assimilated by the Bulgarian people. Then came the Cumans, without whose decisive help the uprising of Asenevtsi would hardly have succeeded. Thus, just as the First Bulgarian Kingdom was founded with the help of the Turkic Bulgars, the Second Kingdom was founded with "the decisive collabora tion of the Turkic Cumans."129 Not only did Cumans settle south of the Danube and become assimilated and absorbed by the Slavic-Bulgarian people, but they were also of great significance politically in the Second Kingdom, whose dynas ties all had Cuman blood in them. There were also many Bulgarian boyars of Cuman origin, including Balic in Dobrudzha. It could even be said that the Cumans acquired a dominant position in the political life of the state.
Do not confuse the Jewish - Turkish/Bulgarian elite with the ordinary people who were the Thracians descendants mixed with the slavic people. The Thracians use to live the mountains as shepards and the slavic people use to practice agriculture and live in the fields areas.
Culturally to an extent yes, genetically? you've got European gene clusters showing that's not the case.
as with Turks themselves they are mostly Anatolian and Ionian' by blood.
@@TitaniumRobotSeacowtrue!
This video suddenly went from a subject about thracians to a subject about the turkish state
Когато не имало никакъв друг народ на Балканите,освен Българи!Как,тогава прииждащите племена от Азия Африка които не са имали представа ТЕ какви са!Да ни казват след хиляди години НИЕ?Какви сме и от къде сме дошли?В собствената си държава трябва да си толкова опростачен да казваш нещо за което,ти не знаеш собствените ти корени от къде са ,ако ние не ви ги кажем, защото сме преди всички останали народи минаващи да берат традиции,писменост, изкуство,културани т.н. от моите предци-ТРАКО-ПЕЛАЗГИ!!!
Please consider doing a video on the mythology, stereotypes and superstitions of redheads
The thracians were supposed to be redheads
I had read a book once about the Thracians, and learned that they were tribal states, not even an ethnicity or nation-state (as we currently perceive those states through the lens of modern nationalism). Unlike Greeks and Chinese, they didn't have a vision of a unified country, and remain isolated within their tribes instead. This is perhaps among the reasons why the Thracians end up in decline and assimilation by Greeks.
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History books are the biggest weapon to spread lies,fantasies and propaganda. Especially if written by an enemy. Unless the claims can be proved by real evidence they are not valid. I know very well what a disgrace has been done towards Thracians in the books.
We assume that you are contesting the existence of the Bulgarian state or what?
The Thracians end up in decline and assimilation by Greeks below the Jirecek line.
@@eedragonr MARCELLINI COMITIS V. C. CHRONICON
(Migne, Patrologia Latina, vol. 51)
(A. C. 499.) Ind. VII, Joanne Gibbo solo cos. Aristus Illyricianae ductor militae cum XV millibus armatorum, et cum DXX plaustris armis ad praeliandum necessariis oneratis, contra Bulgares Thraciam devastantes profectus est. Bellum juxta Zurtam fluvium consertum, ubi plus quam IV millia nostrorum, aut in fuga, aut in praecipitio ripae fluminis interempta sunt. Ibique Illyriciana virtus militum periit, Nicostrato, Innocentio et Aquilino comitibus interfectis. Hoc anno ingens terraemotus Ponticam concussit provinciam.
They became Romanians. As the PM of Romania stated, "we are Trucks".
They should fly
@@eedragonrhe said Trucks not ducks... Trucks are not flying...
@@ionelghiorghita688 fortunately the military is using something else
We are still here, despite invasioin of Afro-middleastern aka greeks, we stand strong. forever be thracian/illyrian authoncous baIkan/europeans
I hope everyone is doing well :)
We are still here , just now known as bulgarians and romanians, our language is not distinct is just changed!
Fact 1 : Thrace was a geographical entity, not a specific nation
Fact 2 : When Herodotus says that "Thraecian tribes would collectively form the world's biggest nation" he also adds the caveat "... if they ever had a common ethnic consciousness". Which is a sign that the tribes that resided in the geography of Thrace did not have a common ethnic consciousness. Remember : this is said by a Greek who wrote at a time when Greeks were living in independent mini-states and massacring each other, but still had a collective common ethnic consciousness, they knew they belong to one and the same nation.
Fact 3 : All Thraecian tribes south of Rhodope mountain range (i.e. the Aegean part of Thrace) are now proved, beyond the slightest of doubt, to had been ethnically Greeks. Not just Greek-speaking out of any alledged "hellenisation" but ethnically Greek since the Bronze Age when the Hellenic identity formed.
Fact 4 : Even tribes above the Rhodope mountain wrote the 100% of their stuff in Greek which today should be raising eyebrows : had these tribes been something radically different to Greeks, their insistence on writing in Greek and absolutely noting on their own language (not even adding any translation) is kinda perplexing.
Fact 4 : Tribes which historians were swearing to gods and demons that they were Thraecian, such as Phrygians have actually written in their language and, surprise-surprise : it is Greek. I.e. Phrygians who as per Greek writers, they were descendants of a western Aegean-Thraecian tribe that invaded into Minor Asia and established in the center long before the Trojan War (i.e at latest by mid-Bronze Age), after staying there and mixing with the locals and producing a hybrid culture, still more than a 1000 years later wrote down their language in an archaic Greek alphabet and it is evident that this was a language very close to Greek that could even permit some intelligibility from Phrygian to Greek, showing that those early Phrygians (i.e. a Thraecian tribe), they were ethnically Greeks back in the Bronze Age.
Fact 5: Thrace is not one geography. Aegean Thrace is totally divided by a massive mountain range which even as late as in WWII when it was defended by 7000 Greeks it caused several divisions of overall more than a 100,000 Germans failing to pass through (so you get the idea of what mountain range we talk about...) and it was of course populated by Greek-only tribes. Then you had so-called north-Thrace where local tribes such as the Bessoi and the Oddysians showed "hellenisation patterns" before even the Greeks got there, LOL! Not to mention that there was never any installation of Greeks from Greece into North Thrace. Funny how things are, isn't it? There was hellenisation, without Greeks going there, except from the Black Sea coastline. And then you had the region north of North Thrace which is also Thrace for some (LOL! what kind of lunacy is this) and this included the Danubian region and even north of it, to include completely unrelated tribes such as the Dacians.
The idea that there were ever a sort of people that included tribes such as the Dacians and the Paeonians (a Thraecian tribe that actually participated in the Olympic Games... i.e. they were 100% ethnic Greeks, otherwise they could not do so) is not only patently false, it is a criminal-level propaganda and ties to very modern propagandas of nations that wanted access to the Aegean Sea at the expense of the indigenous Greeks. All Balkanic nations (note Greeks are not Balkanic even if sometimes mentioned as such) are into pseudohistory precisely because all Balkanic people have absorbed some of northern Greece's lands and their populations which they de-hellenised, and hence today they have a massive complex as per that, thus demand for history to be re-written.
Anyone thinking he knows better, let him bring here and now archaeological evidence of existence of Thraecians.
There is a geographical region called Thrace and historical people called Thracians and this should not be confused. The historical Thracians inhabited enormous territory up to Ukraine and the Carpathian mountains, the Aegan . The proof who they were is their language, that was old Bulgarian. But this fact to be made official is not convenient so they made the language "lost" and in exactly the same 6th century it got "lost" "Slavic" appeared? Does it sound like a fraud , it does to many people.
Some migrated as Aryans. Thrace was Aria .The remaining are to be found on the Balkans, mostly Bulgaria and Romania.
Claims on them how they were "assimilated" and lost their identity is just not true. Nobody assimilated the Aryans, they imposed their culture , also in Greece. There would be no Greek civilization without them, but this is not easy to swallow for too many people!
All the lies how they were barbarians and not strong or had no unique identity come from greek sources. This was simply not true. They were advanced also in state building as it is proved by the fact Bulgaria is the oldest European state!
The Dacians were Thracians yes. So this is Bulgarian heritage shared with Romanians. Greeks have absolutely nothing to do with Thrace and Thracian territory by birth right. Thrace belongs to Bulgaria.
Time to stop the horrible Greek propaganda!!
The Thracians are the proto- indo- Europeans and the Balkan neolitic cultures are the proof. From Karanovo, Hamangia, Varna, Provadia, Stara Zagora, Ohoden, Cucuteni,Vinca is all about Thrace. Just they didn't call themselves that.
Bulgarians speak the oldest language that spread to India as Sanskrit and to Europe as Baltic and Slavic.
Don't ever mention Greek at all here!Our identity is 4000 years older than anything greek. It's pathetic to push this Greek nonsense. If it's ancient it's not Greek.
If people speak the same language, worship the same Gods, have exactly the same culture it means there was a separate identity , today called Bulgarian.
You say that the Greek tribes fighting among each other had the same identity but the Thracians fighting among each other did not. How? Why the double standard here?
Talking there was not an own identity and coming yourself from the background of a state established first in the 18th century (Greece) to people who established a state in the 7th century (Bulgaria) is out of place.
Greeks are really funny. You think we had advanced civilization and our own identity for around 4000 years and just waited for some Africans that had absolutely no civilization to show up in order to "hellenize"us?😂
If I was Greek I would question the Greek educational system and why do they brainwash you so much to think you are something special and superior to all Europeans when you don't even invented anything European. I would question corrupt academia that made you in what you have become. Narcissistic people who think the rest of the world is barbaric and everything ancient must be "Greek".
You get shocked when Balkan people speak out because you are not used to that. But until the 18th century there was no "ancient Greece". History was real. So, better think about it.
"to include completely unrelated tribes like the Dacians". Why do you fault the ancient authors?
1."Before reaching the Istra, [the king of the Persians, Darius], first defeated the Getae, who believe themselves to be immortal. For the Thracians, the inhabitants of Salmydessos and those who occupy the land above the cities of Apollonia and Mesambria - called Scyrmians and Nipsians - surrendered to Darius without a fight. The Getae, however, because they behaved recklessly, were immediately enslaved, even though they are the bravest and most righteous of the Thracians".Herodotus, Histories, IV, 93, Ibidem, p. 47 - 49
2. 2."And the Dacians are an offshoot of the Getae."Trogus Pompeius, History of Philip, XXXII, 3, 16, p. 359
@@ds-on4sm You are into pseudohistory trying to promote very 20th century nationalistic Bulgarian aspirations, e x a c t l y as I noted above. You are just verifying exactly what I said.
The idea that Thrace is a vague geographical term exactly like Illyria was is very clear throughout historical texts as well as in more modern ones when nobody can pinpoint exact bounaries and ending up including completely unrelated regions and tribes and ethnic groups. Herodotus clearly and unequivocally states that "Thraecian tribes had absolutely no hint of common belonging to any same nation adding that if they did they would be the largest nation in the world". But of course they could never had been so precisely because exactly as he says, they did not have the slightest notion of belonging in the same ethnic group? Why? Because precisely they were not one specific ethnic group but belonged to different ones.
We have positive, absolute, irrefutable proof for several Thraecian tribes south of Rhodope that they were Greek. Not just Greek-speaking but ethnically Greek just like any other Greek tribes. Paeonians for example, whom Macedonians often treated as "barbarians" (just like Demosthenes treated Philip II as "barbarian"), were particiating in the Olympic Games which is absolute proof of their Greek identity as much as it was for Macedonians. Both of them participated in the Olympics at times they were powerless poor insignificant states and as such there can be absolutely no doubt. Then you have the Bisaltians whose king was a nationalist Greek that barred his son to collaborate with Xerxes to attack other Greeks and when his sons did so, he returned after war and blinded them all for their betrayal. Then you have the Edonians from whom we have written records, again all in Greek including placenames and peolpes' names. And then we even have Bronze Age era Thraecian tribes such as the Phrygians who moved into Minor Asia and in spite of mixing there with local indigenous non-Greek people they maintained a 1000 years later a Greek language (a very distant dialect of Greek or a cousin-to-Greek language, depending how one sees it).
Until a 100 years ago of course Bulgarian nationalists considered Phrygians as Thraecian - and indeed they were Thraecian - but now as news of their actual language tie them with Greeks they reject them as Thraecians. LOL! How convenient isn't it? Propagandist pseudohistory works that way.
Your claim that a certain "Thraecian nation" lived all the way from Ukraine till the Aegean is so ridiculous as to claim that a single nation lived from Ukraine to Japan. There are, overland, more geographical boundaries from Ukraine to Aegean than from Ukraine to Japan - the very reason of the expansion of the Russian nation afterall. And of course, archaeologically there is absolutely nothing to state that all these numerous small tribes living from Ukraine till Aegean were belonging to one nation. No they did not. Aegean Thraecians were Greeks. Thraecians of North Thrace left the 100% of their written record in Greek and one should start wondering what type of language did they speak really to not bother at all writing it down and just go straight to Greek. And then pseudo-Thraecians north of Haemus mountains in the "north-of-North-Thrace" Thrace-by-extension, or false-Thrace if you like, were unrelated tribes. Dacian were not etthnically related to Oddryssians and most certainly not at all related to the Greek Edonian and Paeonian tribes.
You coming here and speaking of what? "Old Bulgarian"? Are you nuts? Bulgarians were a mix the Turkomongolic Bulgars as leaders and Slavic underlings whose language persisted thus producing the Slavic mix of Bulgarians. The Bulgarian language, an archetypal Slavic language and quite very close to Russian to even permit some mutual intelligibility has absolutely nothing to do with whichever of the languages were spoken either in Thrace proper, certainly nothing to do with Greek spoken by Aegean Thraecians and then again nothing to do with the unrelated languages of Getae and Dacian of the paradanubian region in the north.
If you want to say something, you better come back with archaeologically-based arguments.
@@dinos9607According to P. Haranis, the Phrygian language was spoken at least until the 10th century - "The Phrygians, for instance, as we may infer from what we know of the background of Michael II, seem to have been only semi-Hellenized as late as the beginning of the ninth century. Michael, who is described as coarse, ill-educated, and contemptuous of Hellenic culture, was no doubt typical of the natives of Phrygia, many of whom may not have known any Greek at all. "
Good to get something new from Masaman.
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Can you do a video on Thracian Turks ?
As a Greek coming from the region of Thrace we call ourselves Thracians(basically, we are Greekified/Helenised Thracian to put it simple).
What happened to Thracians in east Thrace?
@@tombuddy100 also Hellenized and later Turkified when the Turks came in
Most of them have been either hellenized or slaviced, the few last remaining tribes melted with the Illyrians to form the Albanian nation.
I'm studying in istanbul kinda weird to think im part of the statistics LOL (I'm from black sea)
would be interested in a video about the black sea region/pontus🙏
From where are you exactly
@@Neversa giresun 4 lyfe brother
@@kankankankankankankan Don't tell me you are my neighbor, because everyone in my mahalle is Giresunlu. Sometimes I think I'm in some Black Sea village :D
@@mobo7420 that would be quite a coincidence lmao! i actually havent seen many giresunlus in istanbul but the karadeniz diaspora sure is strong lol black sea supremecy💪
Pontic Greeks are mix of ancient pelasgians that settled the region and mixed with kartvelian tribes and anatolian tribes that came much later, turks from the black sea are a mix those people and turkics that settled.
Should mention that area after Turks took over was called Rum Ili(Rome) which then became translated again to Rumelia
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It seems you live in a world where miscigenation doesn't exist, and nobody can have two or more distinct ancestries.
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@@stlouisix3more of 30 % of people in Bulgaria and Romanians keep genetic of Thracians, ancient Thracians and ancient Bulgarians have almost same genetics and traditions. Bulgarians today are mixed from brothers people Thracians, Slavic, ancient Bulgarians
@@nikolainikolov4620 The Thracians were Thracians, neither Greeks nor Slavs and even less the ancient Bulgarians, but the current Bulgarians have truly Thracian ancestors.
only like 1/4 of the video is actually about the thracians
There followed the influence of the Mongol Tartars, who even supplied one Bulgarian king, Chaka. But of greatest importance were the Ottoman and Seljuk Turks, who conquered the Balkans from Asia Minor. Concerning the Cumans, Nikov considers the "transfusion of blood" from Turkic "elements" an asset, a means of rejuvenating and strengthening the "race" and enhancing the vitality of the Bulgarian people (in contrast with the conquering Turks).
You are thought a very false history - Thracians are not extinct as well as Bulgarians are not Turkic (this is only a false Moscow history), but Bulgarians are fully Indo-European being one of the leading people of the Scythian and Thracian and Scythians are the closest relatives. So as the Bulgarian Indo-European Scythians went back to the Balkans they reunited once again with their closest relatives the Thracians and formed the last still existing to the present day nation and state of Bulgaria!
"What happened to the Thracians?"
Proceeds to talk about the Ottoman Empire
Edit: I'm still watching and it only gets worse
Edit 2: Got some hope there with Bulgaria
Edit 3: Talking about demographics in Thrace now... not bad but somehow managed to talk about Kurds and force me watch another map of Turkey. Come on!!!!
Edit 4: Another map of Turkey, but about religion now. You know Thracians lived in a much larger area than that small Eastern Balkan region right?
Yeah these videos he's doing on his comeback are pretty bad.
Turkish influence on Thrace is quite important in understanding Thrace…
Majority of people who live in Thrace today live in turkey.
And the beginning of the 20th century rapidly changed the demographics of the region, along with migrations of peoples and deportations etc
@abloodorange5233 the problem lies in the map of Thrace. The title of the video was: What happened to the Thracian People, not "The history of Thrace". The Thracian people lived far and beyond the region of Thrace, such as Anatolia or North of the Danube.
His analysis is too limited, narrow and way too Turkish centric to even relate the video with the Thracian people.
8:30 I can say maybe about 20% of Turkey’s Muslim population might be barely practicing and the rest is culturally Muslim. I would also guess the non Muslim as Atheists, Agnostics, Theists, Tengrist, Shamans, etc. at least of 12%.
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