I use Brave, Firefox, Seamonkey, Chromium and sometimes even more obscure browsers. Although Seamonkey is mainly my email client, since I Thunderbird never really grew on me.
Librewolf. Tried saying that in the main comments, but TH-cam kept deleting it. Wonder if it will be allowed here in the responses, seeing as two others have already mentioned it. We'll see.
I use Firefox. For no reason other than brand loyalty lol. Stupid I know, but I grew up using Firefox, and now I'm just... attached to it. My stepdad was pretty techie and we had Firefox as the only browser on our home computers from around 2007 onward I think. I'll probably switch down the line but for now it's just like, an old friend.
@Melanocetus johnsonii Yes both are open source but indirectly Google have control what to do with this. More than 90% commits on this open source projects are from Google's employee. We must save Gecko engine. Anyday chrome can detach itself from chromium.
@Melanocetus johnsonii competition/alternatives are good and should exist. Not necessarily because chromium is bad, but because competition pushes the market. Any kind of monopoly is bad. Yes Chromium is open-source, but Google has a huge influence on internet standards because of their market share, which only grows.
I love Firefox because of about:config/customization and competition in browserspace is good. But Brave is good for out of the box privacy and for when I desperately need to buy things online.
@@jackchan7129 it’s because they are still working on making their sandbox, better than other browsers. There’s some about:config setting to enable to experience that feature while it’s still in beta
@@youtube.user.1234 in beta means it's still not mature and stable enough, and actually Firefox has been working on it for YEARS, which is a huge let down Not to mention that Firefox is still lacking in exploit mitigation when compared to chromium, say like code integrity guard and untrusted font blocking
Quite simply: Tor is the only option for anonymity Firefox is the best for privacy and security when properly hardened Brave is a newbie friendly and highly compatible browser that does things easy for the average user
imo: Firefox for as much of everyday needs Brave for backup when that one page you’re only ever gonna see once needs so many scripts and whatnot to function that it’s just not worth the hassle of tweaking your Firefox until it works or you get kicked out for sending too many requests to their server
@@D00000T Yeah, I have a portable version of brave which I run through a different program so that I don't have to install brave on my system, I literally just maxed out the security and disabled all tracking and saving and I use it for like 2 websites once a month. Firefox I use 99.9% of the time perfectly well
As a novice in the digital privacy arena, I am grateful for videos like this one. I appreciate the objective data points presented, while adding your own personal opinions (AND calling them out as just your personal opinions). Thank you for all of the work you and your team do for the digital privacy community.
Bottom line: Mozilla Firefox is more customizable and can be configured (hardened) by expert users to be more privacy-friendly than Brave. However, by default, Firefox is not very privacy-friendly, as it sends telemetry data to Mozilla quite regularly. An alternative to hardened Firefox, would be LibreWolf.
Fire Dragon is the superior libre wolf fork with better KDE integration and theming Also it's got better out of the box default settings for privacy then libre wolf
Firefox has been my go to browser for almost 15 years now. I love how customisable it is so you don’t see any ads anymore. The fact that it’s the default browser on Linux and Tor is based on it tells me it’s a strong browser
@@moenibus i agree minus the leftie , thats to general of a term , i like ot phrase , i moved away from firefox / same as google years earlier / because the joined the corporate authoritarian technofascist elite and lost my trust about them being a true opensource project for the community and became a tool .
19:25 wrong, Firefox also has profiles builtin, the containers is just an extension. Going to about:profiles in Firefox gives you an interface to manage your profiles, you can also launch Firefox with the -p option to launch directly into the profiles manager.
@@damani662 yeah I actually use the profiles in Firefox literally all the time usually one profile on for personal and one for school. The main thing that I hate is how hidden it is and I think they could easily add it into the toolbar icon where you manage your Firefox account details and that would make so much sense.
I've been using firefox as a daily browser for over a year and I've hardened but this is literally the first time i know about profiles in FF. like seriously why is it hidden like that?
this was a great video comparing both these browsers. I like how it went in-depth and how unbiased this was. I use both browsers for different reasons though. I like both of them
I have to agree! Can't stand the snobbery on their forums. They spend more time policing how you word shit to not offend anyone than fixing bugs, but are themselves offensive in assuming you're an idiot for not understanding the programing behind FF (as if "User" would even imply that) and didn't explain something right, because they read shit between the lines you never said! They get their feelings all bent when you clearly and logically demonstrate that they did something for a good reason that has bad side affects, like the time they blocked all I-Frames (A WWW standard) because people were using them to show copy written material from other sites in them, but in doing so they also blocked the ones that originated from within your own domain, in effect breaking many peoples whole websites! They tried to defend it with a clause in their "Policy", and it's very name proved they were wrong, and stupid: It was the "Same origin" clause stating clearly that I-frames and tables... must display content from within the same domain as the page, but not display content from other domains! They argued with people for months with all kinds of bogus and false excuses, before they finally decided to fix it, and that without ever admitting it was stupid as F to do it, or to do it in such a stupid way in the first place, and not a single one of them apologized to the thousands of people who's sites they broke at a potential loss of business, and had to beg them nicely to fix it, or else get kicked off the forum!
Firefox also has profiles and all add-on, theme, settings, sync ... is seperate between the profiles. Profiles have been in Firefox since over 7 years but it was never advertised plus it's a bit finicky, you do a bit of setup and then every time you start Firefox it will ask what profile you want to use for that session.
The web sucks right now, not gonna lie. So having two different browsers is a minimum to me. Brave has totally replaced Chromium for this me now. Firefox is still my daily driver, with all of the addons that make it great for my use.
i know... there really isn't sadly ONE browser for everything because of all the different scripts, web-contents and what not, it simply doesn't always work 100% all the time with just one browser. Some things are always pissing into your cornflakes.
I'm really enjoying how insanely fast Brave has been for me. Firefox has been really slow on my machine, and doing weird things like lowering the fps of youtube videos once on full screen. Also Brave has been actually "plug and play" so far. I mean, I'm using it with literally zero extensions installed and it is perfect for my use.
I highly appreciate your objective and analytical views on the browsers. Too often people get caught up in high school level brand loyalty (See Apple vs Samsung comment section).
Thank you very much for the full review and comparison. Very much appreciated. From one TH-camr to another.
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Containers is why I use Firefox more than other browsers, I just love to have only one browser window open with different tabs in different containers, and as far as I know you can't do the same in other browsers you need a separate window.
From what I've read, hardened firefox is far better than brave, i.e turning off intrusive telemetry is easier on firefox/icecat than brave. And I don't really agree with brave's crypto tokens -- or targeted online advertising in general, for that matter. Way to shady for me. EDIT: 10:43 Here is my problem with BAT. First off, I don't have a problem with the idea of ads. I have a problem with the idea of massive data-driven targeted ads that can predict when you're most likely to impulse buy. That's not healthy for society and it's literally preying on people who are vulnerable to impulse manipulation. All Brave does with BAT is replace existing targeted ads with their own targeted ads that the content creator has less control over. If I choose to set up my brave rewards such that no BAT rewards go to a certain creator, they don't get a penny (even if I spend multiple hours on their platform). Interestingly, you can't turn off Brave's own share, I guess they made sure to cover their own access to the gravy train. The only ads that I will tolerate are ones that use no data whatsoever from my end. In other words, if I click into a site at the same time as someone from around the world, the two of us should get the same ad regardless of location or behavior. That's why I have no problem at all with sponsor segments on youtube videos. Two people watching the same video will get the same ad. I understand that this will cut into the funding cycle that the internet relies on, but I genuinely believe that even an internet built around paywalls is a better solution than one with hypertuned machine learning algorithms targeting the least sophisticated users.
I'm a Firefox guy. I've a dual boot PC (Linux/Windows) plus an Android phone. I switched to Brave a couple of years ago (maybe 3). The bookmark sync feature was shit. Whenever I added a bookmark or edit one, it made duplicates on all machines (and duplicates of that duplicates). After that I visited the Github Issues and I saw 2k+ bugs and features. A quick browsing showed that they were working almost only for the crypto side, little to no bugfixes. After that I switched to Firefox and never looked back. Life is too short for spending it on incompleted softwares. Peace.
This is really a great video - a deep dive into the pros and cons of the two Browsers showing a larger picture. Extremely good research work! Regarding "Brave", I spotted an article from German Kuketz- Blog, one of the very few German experts for Internet privacy and security. Thank you for that!
Is there anyone in here old enough to remember the days that you had to BUY a web browser? I think I still have the original box when I purchased Netscape.
@@itsElysian I don't get these TH-cam and twitch video complaints about Firefox? I've used it for years without problems and it's imo faster than Chrome, especially on TH-cam
I never bothered with Brave. Sounds like a good browser out of the box, makes it easier to recommend to people. Since you mentioned it, explaing how extensions can increase privacy/security risk would be helpful. I only have a few, 1 being somewhat redundant.
I wish you put more light on Brendan. Despite the controversies his development in the web have been huge steps to where we are today with the creation of JavaScript and moving it to ECMA because of ECMA's notorious history with Microsoft and working on Netscape, Firefox, and now Brave.
GREAT VIDEO I use BOTH FireFox & BRAVE... For different things. I routinely have 5 windows of each browser open, and usually many multiple tabs in each window also bing used. IT WORKS. FOR YEARS. Both Rock. Loved Firefox since the earliest versions (started around ver 3 or 5 ish
this is really needed. im tired of everywhere i go seeing when someone mentions Brave theres multiple people shitting on it even outside of the privacy circles. its become trendy. this needs to stop.
Yay finally an objective comparison. My view is that both are good browsers OTB but Firefox tends to be more suited to expert/tinkerer users and Brave is good for causal users. There is one feature in Firefox I always miss when using any other browser, that's the switch to new tab feature which switches the browser focus whenever you open a link/image/etc in a new tab. For someone like me who often have multiple tabs open, that's a time saver.
I'd love to see you do one of these break downs for Vivaldi! I've been trying to switch from Chrome as my main browser and I've started using Vivaldi, and it's super cool!
I come all the way back from mosaic and netscape, so firefox was my browser for many years. Then, they started changing things for the sake of "changing things" The straw that broke the camel's back was when they removed the description field from bookmarks. Firefox usage is shrinking to obscurity, and they caused it themselves.
For me its a relatively simple choice. If Mozilla foundation goes bankrupt, gecko is still there as an engine and can be used by someone else. If gecko dies, the entire internet will become chromium. Something wholly and entirely controlled by google.
Mozilla is only alive because they are paid half a billion per year by Google to funnel Firefox users to Google services by default. If we are looking to avoid Google, why are we giving Mozilla a pass, when they are effectively just a Google puppet? Just because of Gecko? With it's 3-4% market share?
@@James-kh8mq Google is paying Mozilla half a billion a year so they can pretend they have a competitor and don't get torn to pieces by Anti-Trust regulations. Meanwhile everyone who uses chromium HAS to go along with what google decides to do with chromium. None of the chromium based browser devs short of Microsoft would have the resources to fork and keep developing it. And we saw how Microsofts last attempt went with edge.
Well done video. I use Brave on all my devices. I like the interface, security and the Tor window. I also like the inclusion of Crypto capability in the window.
I use Firefox with a customized arkenfox profile and a few extensions. The ability to easily harden firefox is one of the main reasons I switched back from chrome. Brave is great for an out-of-the-box experience, but it's difficult to go beyond that. I think it boils down to whether or not you're willing to put in the time and effort to understand what you browser is doing and how it works or if you just want something that works out of the box and has a few nice features. Neither approach is wrong, but being an advanced user I won't be switching to Brave anytime soon. I also have personal issues with their CEO as mentioned in the video.
Others : Brave vs Firefox Me : I use both 😂 Both are awesome. I would use brave for high security tasks like banking while hardened firefox for personal social media accounts. I love both.
@Pearl yeah, the crypto crap and the CEO are a turn off, but I think the one saving grace is that it is open source. If brave is thinking of pulling a scam, it would be harder to do that if the source code is out. This is also my point to those people who quit using Firefox because they’re “pro-censorship” or whatever political thing they disagree with; I don’t think it matters as much when the source code is out, so there is no need to stop using the browser. Well, if the purpose is to not support the company by abstaining from the browser, I see. But when I see a decent open source browser from a company with politics I disagree with, I’m there for the browser, not for the company.
I just checked out Firefox again for the first time after probably about 10 years (thanks to your video), and they've fixed a lot of the reasons why I quit Firefox in the first place. I currently use only Chromium-based browsers because they had all the extensions, and I currently have 32 extensions that I could not live without, and I found every single one of those extensions also available on Firefox. Nice. The other reason why I quit Firefox about 10 years ago was that I liked how Chome would auto-fill the address bar with something that you've been to before so that when you press enter, you immediately go to it. On Firefox, even as recent as a couple years ago, I had to start typing, take my right hand off the home row of the keyboard, press the down arrow key, and then press enter. I ain't doing that crap every time I want to go to a frequently typed URL. But now, in the current version of desktop Firefox, it auto-fills just like Chrome used to, saving me valuable keystrokes and eventual hand pain. Jury's still out if I will daily drive Firefox, but I might give it a go for a while.
Maybe not a huge deal to others and not a privacy thing but I like the way Brave resizes the tabs when you have many open and/or are windowed. Firefox makes you scroll.
I've used Firefox for a very long time on my desktop PCs. Even so, every once in a while, I take a detour and try out alternatives like Brave or Opera. And as much as I like them, in the end I keep going back to Firefox. On my mobile device it's a different story. I've used Firefox there too, but at some point (don't ask me about the version) it became so excruciatingly slow, it was practically unusable. I switched to mobile Brave and stuck with it ever since.
I was just about to say this, I've put my pinky in a lot of desktop browser with always being into Firefox, sure it's not very user friendly OOTB, but when you spend a couple months trying and understanding add-ons and settings it's just superior in every other way. There's a huge focus on "privacy" and at this point it feels more like a escape goat rather with a very loos meaning, the reason I prefer FireFox is because it makes the internet more pleasant to use, if the right amount of customization not only do you "keep your privacy" but you also get rid of 90% of the annoying shit companies and web developers feel the need to implement in their services. like skipping hard-codeded TH-camr E-whoring their merch or a sponsor, pointles intro/outro... or simply just getting rid of that stupid cookie message (since I delete all the cookies when I close firefox). With that little rant, when it comes to Mobile..... holly fucking shit, what am I supposed to do with this performance? tabs can take up to a minute to load a basic website, with or without any of the very few add-ons that are available, add-ons on mobile WOUL be AWESOME! But when I have to wait this long? Sorry but FUCK THAT SHIT I'm gladly using Chrome or Brave over the embarrassment that is Firefox mobile. I've tried several times to get back to FireFox because with the addons it even makes mobile browsing so nice again... in theory, but the speed is just embracing and annoyingly slow.
Ran Firefox for years... it started getting glitchy on me and I bounced around on different browsers until Brave came out... tried out Brave and it worked for me, been on it ever since
Watching this with the Vivaldi browser. I've tried Brave and i don't like it. And the same is it with Firefox. I use Vivaldi as my main browser and it works fine.
When Brave first dropped, it was kind of a buggy unstable mess. But when they revamped it with 2.0, that eliminated most of the issue. I still run into the odd website here and there that doesn't work with Brave for some reason. But they are pretty rare. And, that's why I have Firefox and Edge, for just those cases.
@Swiftypop Currently, there doesn't seem to be any. But about a year ago Ubisoft's website was more or less broken. In the original version of Brave, Minds would not work properly. Neither of them are currently an issue for me. But with issues as recently as just a year or so ago, I leave room that there are other issues I've not ran into yet.
Yeah, for example i will still use Google chrome for my Google and youtube accounts, its pointless using Firefox for privacy if you're just gonna log into google or social media accounts with it.
The MAIN 2 reasons why I stick with FF are one, I don't like how Google has a heavy-handed steering of web standards, so I try to avoid Chromium based stuff. But mainly, Brave doesn't have a stable/updated/official portable version, and I use my portable FF a whole hell of a lot.
Great video. Very fair. Looking at your comments and I didn't know that Browsers have become like politics. People argue with blinkers on. Very toxic. I imagine Reddit is awful. You helped me pick Brave. I like the crypto idea. Seems like a good company too. Thank you for your video!
I'd also ad Brave on android is great, other than some services won't let you sign in on the Brave app, they say it's not trusted so you can't sign into your account (Looking at you TH-cam)
I like brave b/c of seed key syncing (instead of reg. Account). It's a nice touch. However my metamask seems to break with brave way more often for metamask. I always need a Mozilla metamask as backup.
Really nice video. Good stuff. I personally have been looking for a good 2nd browser. I run firefox daily as my main, but between 2 computers, I have multiple online accounts, I use one for one set of accounts, and the other for those sets of accounts. I use firefox as my mine, I just am use to it. However with Brave out the box, it has a much newer refined feel to the look of the interface. I don't know much about the Crypto stuff thats on it, but honestly I don't know if its a big deal to look into to turn off or what not. Over all, for a second browser for my purposes its quick, I like the feel to it. Much better than Chrome IMO. I like that it uses its own search instead of google. I am big on alternatives and really like this feel for the new Browser. Really enjoyed listening to the video.
I actually use both to be honest. Brave because I use youtube and twitch a lot and everyone knows how annoying ads can be. Firefox because a few of website like photopea, canva, picsart etc don't work properly in Brave. Nothing to hate, nothing to love. Just enjoying my work even more because of how easy it becomes after using multiple browsers instead of doing everything in just 1 browser
I would say, that Librewolf is a much closer comparison to Brave. While Firefox is the popular pick, LW will do a lot of out-of-theh-box privacy for you, the sams way Brave does. The only thing is, that firefox can become librewolf if enough time is given to hardening it and keeping up-to date. On the other hand ungoogled chromium can't really "become" brave on it's own. What I'm trying to tell you is A. Firefox/UGC are options that need hardening, but get you very far in the privacy world B. LibreWolf and Brave work out of the box, and are as good if not better than their counterparts uptop. C. Firefox is more flexible, but that leads to more work being needed on it.
The account setup is very very convenient and in my experience the firefox sync has been much more reliable and easy to use. If for whatever reason I have am somewhere where I need my browser stuff, I can't do that with brave but can be done with accounts
I think Firefox lost the shine on me around the time of the Mr. Robot ad experiment. As I recall, that was around the time when we first got Fenix (or was it just Quantum?) on mobile, with a lot of the previous features like Send Tab without opening browser, Tab Queueing, and many of the extensions gone so it really rubbed me the wrong way when I was already tolerating them. Then the Mr. Robot thing happened. Even if it wasn't _actually_ malware, it shows me that Firefox is actually willing to inject sketchy ads into my browser without saying anything about it beforehand. That makes the browser lose a lot of luster from me. Don't get me wrong, I still support Firefox, it's just the management in both commercial and development side has been questionable for me that I just have to take a break from their mess every now and then, waiting to see when they'll pull another Quantum.
Ive always loved FF browser, and I particularly LIKE the mobile re-design. As a microG user i love the ablity to add an icon to the desktop and use the site as an app. I just wish they would keep feature parity and bring it back to the desktop version as well!!! Other than that its a customizable, strong browser! We have to oppose the chromium monopoly to save the internets inner workings from googles control.
Wow. Congrats on the video - a really balanced and thorough approach. I absolutely agree that both FF and Brave had some questionable decisions. There's really no fan boy stuff there :). Even though this video is a year old, I think not much has changed. I still use them both, trying to decide which I like more in terms of UI/UX... FF is still more sluggish but more stable and robust (and i am just more used to it, i have to admit), I think. Brave still needs add-ons in order to manage tabs as the default options are not sufficient. But in the end, on my company PC, I use Chrome/Edge 😞 because of compatibility concerns and issues.
Wait a minute, Firefox has had profiles since more than 10 years now! You just start Firefox with the --p option and it'll give you the profile manager where you can create and manage your profiles and also start the browser in different ones. I wonder where is that functionality in Brave though? I have never seen a profile manager there?
Hell...use both 👍. I have already enjoyed firefox. Learning about about brave gives me apparently another great alternate. Nice. Just please keep IE dead lol. I think we all can agree on that lol 💯👍✌️
I turn off sync on any browser I use, and add Floccus and BitWarden. Reduces security failure points, and syncs between browsers, and not just the same browser on multiple machines
I use both 😊 brave is my daily driver but if I'm working on a website locally it doesn't like self signed certificates, so I load those in Firefox and have no issues.
I just don't like Brave. The oversaturated shilling of it from TH-camrs killed it for me, like if it's a good product, why the crypto coin and payments to influencers?
firefox has profiles as well. not as accessable as the chromium version. Those profiles are split in different folders inside the file structure and have different settings and add-ons to one another.
On my desktop, I have Brave, Firefox and MS Edge. I use them in that order depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. Brave is my default because there's no thinking involved. - I'm an old woman, I shouldn't have to think EVERY day! LOL
Let's (PRODUCTIVELY) share our favorite between these two privacy-oriented browsers! Which do you use? Both? Neither? Why? Let the world know below ⏬
I use librewolf. It's basically hardened Firefox so I don't have to crawl through the about:config and what not
Edit: ah you mentioned it
Librewolf, brave for mobile
I use Brave, Firefox, Seamonkey, Chromium and sometimes even more obscure browsers. Although Seamonkey is mainly my email client, since I Thunderbird never really grew on me.
Librewolf.
Tried saying that in the main comments, but TH-cam kept deleting it. Wonder if it will be allowed here in the responses, seeing as two others have already mentioned it. We'll see.
I use Firefox. For no reason other than brand loyalty lol. Stupid I know, but I grew up using Firefox, and now I'm just... attached to it. My stepdad was pretty techie and we had Firefox as the only browser on our home computers from around 2007 onward I think. I'll probably switch down the line but for now it's just like, an old friend.
I support firefox because we need a second browser engine to exist
Agreed, There's gotta be an alternative to the Google code
yeah
@Melanocetus johnsonii brave is fork of google's chromium which works on Google's blink engine. That's why we should save firefox
@Melanocetus johnsonii Yes both are open source but indirectly Google have control what to do with this. More than 90% commits on this open source projects are from Google's employee. We must save Gecko engine. Anyday chrome can detach itself from chromium.
@Melanocetus johnsonii competition/alternatives are good and should exist. Not necessarily because chromium is bad, but because competition pushes the market. Any kind of monopoly is bad. Yes Chromium is open-source, but Google has a huge influence on internet standards because of their market share, which only grows.
This was great man, no long winded intros, good use of spreadsheet, good trivia etc. Would love to see more of these!
I love Firefox because of about:config/customization and competition in browserspace is good. But Brave is good for out of the box privacy and for when I desperately need to buy things online.
I think they made "about:config" inaccessible in the mobile client.
@@kvdrr Firefox sucks in security no matter how you tweak it, their website sandboxing is just so terribly implemented
@@jackchan7129 Source?
@@jackchan7129 it’s because they are still working on making their sandbox, better than other browsers. There’s some about:config setting to enable to experience that feature while it’s still in beta
@@youtube.user.1234 in beta means it's still not mature and stable enough, and actually Firefox has been working on it for YEARS, which is a huge let down
Not to mention that Firefox is still lacking in exploit mitigation when compared to chromium, say like code integrity guard and untrusted font blocking
Quite simply:
Tor is the only option for anonymity
Firefox is the best for privacy and security when properly hardened
Brave is a newbie friendly and highly compatible browser that does things easy for the average user
imo:
Firefox for as much of everyday needs
Brave for backup when that one page you’re only ever gonna see once needs so many scripts and whatnot to function that it’s just not worth the hassle of tweaking your Firefox until it works or you get kicked out for sending too many requests to their server
That may be true, but you can't use it for personal purposes as well, for like streaming youtube or netflix. That's simply not what it's built for.
@@D00000T Yeah, I have a portable version of brave which I run through a different program so that I don't have to install brave on my system, I literally just maxed out the security and disabled all tracking and saving and I use it for like 2 websites once a month. Firefox I use 99.9% of the time perfectly well
@@darshgupta6276 It works perfectly fine for both of those things Idk wtf you're talking about. But I wouldn't pay for Netflix when I have Stremio.
The only people who use web anonymity have something to hide.
As a novice in the digital privacy arena, I am grateful for videos like this one. I appreciate the objective data points presented, while adding your own personal opinions (AND calling them out as just your personal opinions). Thank you for all of the work you and your team do for the digital privacy community.
Bottom line: Mozilla Firefox is more customizable and can be configured (hardened) by expert users to be more privacy-friendly than Brave. However, by default, Firefox is not very privacy-friendly, as it sends telemetry data to Mozilla quite regularly. An alternative to hardened Firefox, would be LibreWolf.
Yes they do.. and mine would, but I've blocked communication to that address on pfSense.
Or Fennec (FIrefox based) for Android.
Fire Dragon is the superior libre wolf fork with better KDE integration and theming
Also it's got better out of the box default settings for privacy then libre wolf
Telemetry is selectable (on-off) in the settings.
@@Pinko-Diamond Isn't FireDragom just Librewolf with Garuda branding slapped on top of it? Where can I see their patchsets?
Firefox has been my go to browser for almost 15 years now. I love how customisable it is so you don’t see any ads anymore. The fact that it’s the default browser on Linux and Tor is based on it tells me it’s a strong browser
pro censorship, anti liberty, lefties. no thanks
@@moenibus i agree minus the leftie , thats to general of a term , i like ot phrase , i moved away from firefox / same as google years earlier / because the joined the corporate authoritarian technofascist elite and lost my trust about them being a true opensource project for the community and became a tool .
19:25 wrong, Firefox also has profiles builtin, the containers is just an extension. Going to about:profiles in Firefox gives you an interface to manage your profiles, you can also launch Firefox with the -p option to launch directly into the profiles manager.
Couple others pointed this out in the comments, thanks for letting us know
Hope firefox make profile selection more easier for average user. Hiding it on config is not practical for people to use (for average user)
@@damani662 yeah I actually use the profiles in Firefox literally all the time usually one profile on for personal and one for school. The main thing that I hate is how hidden it is and I think they could easily add it into the toolbar icon where you manage your Firefox account details and that would make so much sense.
I've been using firefox as a daily browser for over a year and I've hardened but this is literally the first time i know about profiles in FF. like seriously why is it hidden like that?
@@iamo maybe it's a beta feature?
I love how techlore also critizes those who are on his side when it comes to user privacy among other stuff, keep up the good work.
this was a great video comparing both these browsers. I like how it went in-depth and how unbiased this was.
I use both browsers for different reasons though. I like both of them
Love Firefox, hate Mozilla
Same.
Loved FF but Left it behind because of Mozilla
I have to agree! Can't stand the snobbery on their forums. They spend more time policing how you word shit to not offend anyone than fixing bugs, but are themselves offensive in assuming you're an idiot for not understanding the programing behind FF (as if "User" would even imply that) and didn't explain something right, because they read shit between the lines you never said!
They get their feelings all bent when you clearly and logically demonstrate that they did something for a good reason that has bad side affects, like the time they blocked all I-Frames (A WWW standard) because people were using them to show copy written material from other sites in them, but in doing so they also blocked the ones that originated from within your own domain, in effect breaking many peoples whole websites! They tried to defend it with a clause in their "Policy", and it's very name proved they were wrong, and stupid: It was the "Same origin" clause stating clearly that I-frames and tables... must display content from within the same domain as the page, but not display content from other domains!
They argued with people for months with all kinds of bogus and false excuses, before they finally decided to fix it, and that without ever admitting it was stupid as F to do it, or to do it in such a stupid way in the first place, and not a single one of them apologized to the thousands of people who's sites they broke at a potential loss of business, and had to beg them nicely to fix it, or else get kicked off the forum!
You just shared the Firefox users stand.
I fully agree with you
@Crypto Latios It was the only web browser I tested that had i non unique fingerprinting, so it's very good.
Firefox also has profiles and all add-on, theme, settings, sync ... is seperate between the profiles.
Profiles have been in Firefox since over 7 years but it was never advertised plus it's a bit finicky, you do a bit of setup and then every time you start Firefox it will ask what profile you want to use for that session.
firefox -P ProfileName --no-remote
You can start multiple sessions in different profiles.
@@asdfasdf99999999 yep
@@asdfasdf99999999 Easiest way to use profiles is by typing "about:profiles" to the URL bar.
#2 reason I stick with Firefox: Ctrl + Tab cycles through tabs in recently used order.
#1 reason I stick with Firefox: Multi-Account Containers
i didnt know ctrl + tab was a thing omg
@@Vit-Pokorny Your life is about to change. 😂
@@Vit-Pokorny pls read everything. dont skip.
@@ramsesclviii2584 ????
@@Vit-Pokorny i mean user guide online manual yadayada
The web sucks right now, not gonna lie. So having two different browsers is a minimum to me. Brave has totally replaced Chromium for this me now.
Firefox is still my daily driver, with all of the addons that make it great for my use.
I think you ment to say is brave has totally replaced chrome. Brave runs on chromium.
@@twistedkiller28 I guess I mean Chromium as a stand alone browser
i know... there really isn't sadly ONE browser for everything because of all the different scripts, web-contents and what not, it simply doesn't always work 100% all the time with just one browser. Some things are always pissing into your cornflakes.
I really liked this even-handed analysis of these two browsers. I like this format and I hope to see more comparison videos soon.
Webkit is a collaborative project that was made with google, apple, KDE and many more companies
I'm really enjoying how insanely fast Brave has been for me. Firefox has been really slow on my machine, and doing weird things like lowering the fps of youtube videos once on full screen.
Also Brave has been actually "plug and play" so far. I mean, I'm using it with literally zero extensions installed and it is perfect for my use.
I highly appreciate your objective and analytical views on the browsers. Too often people get caught up in high school level brand loyalty (See Apple vs Samsung comment section).
Thank you very much for the full review and comparison. Very much appreciated. From one TH-camr to another.
Containers is why I use Firefox more than other browsers, I just love to have only one browser window open with different tabs in different containers, and as far as I know you can't do the same in other browsers you need a separate window.
Good breakdown. Firefox has profiles too? about:profiles
From what I've read, hardened firefox is far better than brave, i.e turning off intrusive telemetry is easier on firefox/icecat than brave. And I don't really agree with brave's crypto tokens -- or targeted online advertising in general, for that matter. Way to shady for me.
EDIT:
10:43 Here is my problem with BAT. First off, I don't have a problem with the idea of ads. I have a problem with the idea of massive data-driven targeted ads that can predict when you're most likely to impulse buy. That's not healthy for society and it's literally preying on people who are vulnerable to impulse manipulation. All Brave does with BAT is replace existing targeted ads with their own targeted ads that the content creator has less control over. If I choose to set up my brave rewards such that no BAT rewards go to a certain creator, they don't get a penny (even if I spend multiple hours on their platform). Interestingly, you can't turn off Brave's own share, I guess they made sure to cover their own access to the gravy train.
The only ads that I will tolerate are ones that use no data whatsoever from my end. In other words, if I click into a site at the same time as someone from around the world, the two of us should get the same ad regardless of location or behavior. That's why I have no problem at all with sponsor segments on youtube videos. Two people watching the same video will get the same ad.
I understand that this will cut into the funding cycle that the internet relies on, but I genuinely believe that even an internet built around paywalls is a better solution than one with hypertuned machine learning algorithms targeting the least sophisticated users.
I'm a Firefox guy. I've a dual boot PC (Linux/Windows) plus an Android phone. I switched to Brave a couple of years ago (maybe 3). The bookmark sync feature was shit. Whenever I added a bookmark or edit one, it made duplicates on all machines (and duplicates of that duplicates). After that I visited the Github Issues and I saw 2k+ bugs and features. A quick browsing showed that they were working almost only for the crypto side, little to no bugfixes. After that I switched to Firefox and never looked back.
Life is too short for spending it on incompleted softwares. Peace.
This is really a great video - a deep dive into the pros and cons of the two Browsers showing a larger picture. Extremely good research work! Regarding "Brave", I spotted an article from German Kuketz- Blog, one of the very few German experts for Internet privacy and security. Thank you for that!
Great comparison Henry. I might now try being Brave.
Is there anyone in here old enough to remember the days that you had to BUY a web browser? I think I still have the original box when I purchased Netscape.
Thanks for the knowledge regarding the money behind Firefox
brave should make a version based off firefox. chromium, no matter what, is chromium
That would be awesome
@@itsElysian I don't get these TH-cam and twitch video complaints about Firefox? I've used it for years without problems and it's imo faster than Chrome, especially on TH-cam
@@itsElysian cant speak on twitch but i watch youtube all the time and have never had any issues relating to firefox
I never bothered with Brave. Sounds like a good browser out of the box, makes it easier to recommend to people. Since you mentioned it, explaing how extensions can increase privacy/security risk would be helpful. I only have a few, 1 being somewhat redundant.
There's a tracking method where a site can see what extensions you've loaded on it and create a unique fingerprint out of it.
It's built with Electron. Definitely not a plus.
@@hypolyxa7207 not really, no. electron != chromium
Nice vid Honest description of both browsers. NICE!
I wish you put more light on Brendan. Despite the controversies his development in the web have been huge steps to where we are today with the creation of JavaScript and moving it to ECMA because of ECMA's notorious history with Microsoft and working on Netscape, Firefox, and now Brave.
That cleared a lot of mystery - thanks - I'm now using Brave on my phone and quite happy with it !
GREAT VIDEO
I use BOTH FireFox & BRAVE... For different things.
I routinely have 5 windows of each browser open, and usually many multiple tabs in each window also bing used. IT WORKS. FOR YEARS.
Both Rock. Loved Firefox since the earliest versions (started around ver 3 or 5 ish
this is really needed. im tired of everywhere i go seeing when someone mentions Brave theres multiple people shitting on it even outside of the privacy circles. its become trendy. this needs to stop.
Yay finally an objective comparison. My view is that both are good browsers OTB but Firefox tends to be more suited to expert/tinkerer users and Brave is good for causal users. There is one feature in Firefox I always miss when using any other browser, that's the switch to new tab feature which switches the browser focus whenever you open a link/image/etc in a new tab. For someone like me who often have multiple tabs open, that's a time saver.
What do you mean with browser focus
And what's that actually?
@@Busterblade20 i think he means open new tabs in foreground.(right-click/open in new tab)
I'd love to see you do one of these break downs for Vivaldi! I've been trying to switch from Chrome as my main browser and I've started using Vivaldi, and it's super cool!
I come all the way back from mosaic and netscape, so firefox was my browser for many years.
Then, they started changing things for the sake of "changing things"
The straw that broke the camel's back was when they removed the description field from bookmarks.
Firefox usage is shrinking to obscurity, and they caused it themselves.
For me its a relatively simple choice.
If Mozilla foundation goes bankrupt, gecko is still there as an engine and can be used by someone else.
If gecko dies, the entire internet will become chromium. Something wholly and entirely controlled by google.
Chromium itself isn't controlled directly by google. But it would be nice to have different engines rather than just one main one
mozilla is already in google's pocketd
Mozilla is only alive because they are paid half a billion per year by Google to funnel Firefox users to Google services by default. If we are looking to avoid Google, why are we giving Mozilla a pass, when they are effectively just a Google puppet? Just because of Gecko? With it's 3-4% market share?
@@James-kh8mq Google is paying Mozilla half a billion a year so they can pretend they have a competitor and don't get torn to pieces by Anti-Trust regulations.
Meanwhile everyone who uses chromium HAS to go along with what google decides to do with chromium.
None of the chromium based browser devs short of Microsoft would have the resources to fork and keep developing it.
And we saw how Microsofts last attempt went with edge.
Well I for the container part in firefox I love the feature
Love the format and these comparisons, extremely helpful to the layman and those who don’t have as much time to get deeply into this stuff!
Yes I like comparison like these
thanks for this
This is actually a great video and just captures the thoughts I already had but couldn't articulate.
Well done video. I use Brave on all my devices. I like the interface, security and the Tor window. I also like the inclusion of Crypto capability in the window.
I use Firefox with a customized arkenfox profile and a few extensions. The ability to easily harden firefox is one of the main reasons I switched back from chrome. Brave is great for an out-of-the-box experience, but it's difficult to go beyond that. I think it boils down to whether or not you're willing to put in the time and effort to understand what you browser is doing and how it works or if you just want something that works out of the box and has a few nice features. Neither approach is wrong, but being an advanced user I won't be switching to Brave anytime soon. I also have personal issues with their CEO as mentioned in the video.
Others : Brave vs Firefox
Me : I use both 😂
Both are awesome. I would use brave for high security tasks like banking while hardened firefox for personal social media accounts. I love both.
gonna be honest, this video made me reconsider brave for my workplace device, even if it has a lot of cripto crap
@Pearl yeah, the crypto crap and the CEO are a turn off, but I think the one saving grace is that it is open source. If brave is thinking of pulling a scam, it would be harder to do that if the source code is out.
This is also my point to those people who quit using Firefox because they’re “pro-censorship” or whatever political thing they disagree with; I don’t think it matters as much when the source code is out, so there is no need to stop using the browser.
Well, if the purpose is to not support the company by abstaining from the browser, I see. But when I see a decent open source browser from a company with politics I disagree with, I’m there for the browser, not for the company.
@@A432Hz firefox went closed source for the new "features" that most complain about and want to remove
@Pearl mozilla is just as bad as the founder of brave, probably worse! All firefox users can agree with this
I just checked out Firefox again for the first time after probably about 10 years (thanks to your video), and they've fixed a lot of the reasons why I quit Firefox in the first place. I currently use only Chromium-based browsers because they had all the extensions, and I currently have 32 extensions that I could not live without, and I found every single one of those extensions also available on Firefox. Nice. The other reason why I quit Firefox about 10 years ago was that I liked how Chome would auto-fill the address bar with something that you've been to before so that when you press enter, you immediately go to it. On Firefox, even as recent as a couple years ago, I had to start typing, take my right hand off the home row of the keyboard, press the down arrow key, and then press enter. I ain't doing that crap every time I want to go to a frequently typed URL. But now, in the current version of desktop Firefox, it auto-fills just like Chrome used to, saving me valuable keystrokes and eventual hand pain.
Jury's still out if I will daily drive Firefox, but I might give it a go for a while.
Thank you. I was wondering about this
Maybe not a huge deal to others and not a privacy thing but I like the way Brave resizes the tabs when you have many open and/or are windowed. Firefox makes you scroll.
I've used Firefox for a very long time on my desktop PCs. Even so, every once in a while, I take a detour and try out alternatives like Brave or Opera. And as much as I like them, in the end I keep going back to Firefox. On my mobile device it's a different story. I've used Firefox there too, but at some point (don't ask me about the version) it became so excruciatingly slow, it was practically unusable. I switched to mobile Brave and stuck with it ever since.
I was just about to say this, I've put my pinky in a lot of desktop browser with always being into Firefox, sure it's not very user friendly OOTB, but when you spend a couple months trying and understanding add-ons and settings it's just superior in every other way.
There's a huge focus on "privacy" and at this point it feels more like a escape goat rather with a very loos meaning, the reason I prefer FireFox is because it makes the internet more pleasant to use, if the right amount of customization not only do you "keep your privacy" but you also get rid of 90% of the annoying shit companies and web developers feel the need to implement in their services. like skipping hard-codeded TH-camr E-whoring their merch or a sponsor, pointles intro/outro... or simply just getting rid of that stupid cookie message (since I delete all the cookies when I close firefox).
With that little rant, when it comes to Mobile..... holly fucking shit, what am I supposed to do with this performance?
tabs can take up to a minute to load a basic website, with or without any of the very few add-ons that are available, add-ons on mobile WOUL be AWESOME!
But when I have to wait this long? Sorry but FUCK THAT SHIT I'm gladly using Chrome or Brave over the embarrassment that is Firefox mobile.
I've tried several times to get back to FireFox because with the addons it even makes mobile browsing so nice again... in theory, but the speed is just embracing and annoyingly slow.
Same I love firefox
Ran Firefox for years... it started getting glitchy on me and I bounced around on different browsers until Brave came out... tried out Brave and it worked for me, been on it ever since
Watching this with the Vivaldi browser.
I've tried Brave and i don't like it. And the same is it with Firefox.
I use Vivaldi as my main browser and it works fine.
This is serious content!
Impressive overview. Thanks for this!
When Brave first dropped, it was kind of a buggy unstable mess. But when they revamped it with 2.0, that eliminated most of the issue. I still run into the odd website here and there that doesn't work with Brave for some reason. But they are pretty rare. And, that's why I have Firefox and Edge, for just those cases.
@Swiftypop Currently, there doesn't seem to be any. But about a year ago Ubisoft's website was more or less broken. In the original version of Brave, Minds would not work properly.
Neither of them are currently an issue for me. But with issues as recently as just a year or so ago, I leave room that there are other issues I've not ran into yet.
To be honest i use different browsers for different things i really like firefox and brave. Great video! :)
Yeah, for example i will still use Google chrome for my Google and youtube accounts, its pointless using Firefox for privacy if you're just gonna log into google or social media accounts with it.
Have you had any experience with Firefox Focus? If so, what are your thoughts and experiences?
Brave feels like Opera before they completely sold out.
Vivaldi is more like opera before they sold out.
The MAIN 2 reasons why I stick with FF are one, I don't like how Google has a heavy-handed steering of web standards, so I try to avoid Chromium based stuff. But mainly, Brave doesn't have a stable/updated/official portable version, and I use my portable FF a whole hell of a lot.
really love how Firefox manages tab, but I love the overall brave and extensions i use. so i just keep both for different task
Vivaldi has stepped up its game lately as well. It might be good to see a comparison between Brave and Vivaldi.
Great video. Very fair. Looking at your comments and I didn't know that Browsers have become like politics. People argue with blinkers on. Very toxic. I imagine Reddit is awful.
You helped me pick Brave. I like the crypto idea. Seems like a good company too. Thank you for your video!
I'd also ad Brave on android is great, other than some services won't let you sign in on the Brave app, they say it's not trusted so you can't sign into your account (Looking at you TH-cam)
Depends on what you need. Brave is great for me.
Im glad your actually doing research and not doing the distrotube cringe.
Thanks for the video. I Use Firefox but I plan to give Brave a try, maybe use both for different things.
Why would Brave want to update? It's being updated by the OS's central package management anyways?
I like brave b/c of seed key syncing (instead of reg. Account). It's a nice touch. However my metamask seems to break with brave way more often for metamask. I always need a Mozilla metamask as backup.
use frame
Short answer: LibreWolf.
Really nice video. Good stuff. I personally have been looking for a good 2nd browser. I run firefox daily as my main, but between 2 computers, I have multiple online accounts, I use one for one set of accounts, and the other for those sets of accounts. I use firefox as my mine, I just am use to it. However with Brave out the box, it has a much newer refined feel to the look of the interface. I don't know much about the Crypto stuff thats on it, but honestly I don't know if its a big deal to look into to turn off or what not. Over all, for a second browser for my purposes its quick, I like the feel to it. Much better than Chrome IMO. I like that it uses its own search instead of google. I am big on alternatives and really like this feel for the new Browser. Really enjoyed listening to the video.
I actually use both to be honest. Brave because I use youtube and twitch a lot and everyone knows how annoying ads can be. Firefox because a few of website like photopea, canva, picsart etc don't work properly in Brave.
Nothing to hate, nothing to love. Just enjoying my work even more because of how easy it becomes after using multiple browsers instead of doing everything in just 1 browser
I would say, that Librewolf is a much closer comparison to Brave. While Firefox is the popular pick, LW will do a lot of out-of-theh-box privacy for you, the sams way Brave does. The only thing is, that firefox can become librewolf if enough time is given to hardening it and keeping up-to date. On the other hand ungoogled chromium can't really "become" brave on it's own. What I'm trying to tell you is
A. Firefox/UGC are options that need hardening, but get you very far in the privacy world
B. LibreWolf and Brave work out of the box, and are as good if not better than their counterparts uptop.
C. Firefox is more flexible, but that leads to more work being needed on it.
The account setup is very very convenient and in my experience the firefox sync has been much more reliable and easy to use. If for whatever reason I have am somewhere where I need my browser stuff, I can't do that with brave but can be done with accounts
Yep, I have both installed and each have their pros and cons.
I really appreciate the content and honest information as always. ^^
I think Firefox lost the shine on me around the time of the Mr. Robot ad experiment.
As I recall, that was around the time when we first got Fenix (or was it just Quantum?) on mobile, with a lot of the previous features like Send Tab without opening browser, Tab Queueing, and many of the extensions gone so it really rubbed me the wrong way when I was already tolerating them.
Then the Mr. Robot thing happened. Even if it wasn't _actually_ malware, it shows me that Firefox is actually willing to inject sketchy ads into my browser without saying anything about it beforehand. That makes the browser lose a lot of luster from me.
Don't get me wrong, I still support Firefox, it's just the management in both commercial and development side has been questionable for me that I just have to take a break from their mess every now and then, waiting to see when they'll pull another Quantum.
Ive always loved FF browser, and I particularly LIKE the mobile re-design. As a microG user i love the ablity to add an icon to the desktop and use the site as an app. I just wish they would keep feature parity and bring it back to the desktop version as well!!! Other than that its a customizable, strong browser! We have to oppose the chromium monopoly to save the internets inner workings from googles control.
Wholeheartedly agreed
The mobile version had a feature that let you save any website to PDF relatively fast and easily. Kinda miss it.
Wow. Congrats on the video - a really balanced and thorough approach. I absolutely agree that both FF and Brave had some questionable decisions. There's really no fan boy stuff there :). Even though this video is a year old, I think not much has changed. I still use them both, trying to decide which I like more in terms of UI/UX... FF is still more sluggish but more stable and robust (and i am just more used to it, i have to admit), I think. Brave still needs add-ons in order to manage tabs as the default options are not sufficient. But in the end, on my company PC, I use Chrome/Edge 😞 because of compatibility concerns and issues.
Wait a minute, Firefox has had profiles since more than 10 years now! You just start Firefox with the --p option and it'll give you the profile manager where you can create and manage your profiles and also start the browser in different ones. I wonder where is that functionality in Brave though? I have never seen a profile manager there?
I have three browsers, Firefox, Brave and Google Chrome and love them all for one reason, Productivity.
Thankyou for comparing brave and Mozilla
I use Brave, Opera and Firefox. Nice!!!!!
really informative video, thanks for the research
The day I see a Stylus/Stylish-like extension being integrated to a browser I'd switch it in an instant.
I use and like both. Been changing up extensions lately. What surprised me was that Brave seems better at blocking trackers than hardened FF.
Just use unblock origin.
I use both interchangeably. Hardened both and have had no issues.
I like this comparison format. Please make a comparison video for Tor and i2p!
I use FF on both Win 10 and MacOS. FF is good for this because FF seems to work the same on both platforms.
for Apple devices, I believe safari is in balance of privacy and usability, especially with privacy relay after iOS/iPad OS 15 and macOS 12
Hell...use both 👍. I have already enjoyed firefox. Learning about about brave gives me apparently another great alternate. Nice. Just please keep IE dead lol. I think we all can agree on that lol 💯👍✌️
I turn off sync on any browser I use, and add Floccus and BitWarden. Reduces security failure points, and syncs between browsers, and not just the same browser on multiple machines
I use both 😊 brave is my daily driver but if I'm working on a website locally it doesn't like self signed certificates, so I load those in Firefox and have no issues.
I use both. Firefox is a little more customizable , but slower than Brave.
I installed Brave few days ago and I really like it. Considering switching from Firefox on windows, android and linux machines.
I just don't like Brave. The oversaturated shilling of it from TH-camrs killed it for me, like if it's a good product, why the crypto coin and payments to influencers?
Just disable it lol
Just disable the crypto part tf?
BAT is awesome and having a Browser that pays you is also awesome. And you can disable the ads if you don't like them but you won't be earning BAT.
firefox has profiles as well. not as accessable as the chromium version. Those profiles are split in different folders inside the file structure and have different settings and add-ons to one another.
For mobile clients, Brave. For laptops and computers Firefox
I started with Mosaic and I'm sticking with it!
On my desktop, I have Brave, Firefox and MS Edge. I use them in that order depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. Brave is my default because there's no thinking involved. - I'm an old woman, I shouldn't have to think EVERY day! LOL
Nice of you to be concerned about your privacy miss. Great work!