It'd be interesting to see if you can do a blind/double-blind test to see if people actually can tell a significant difference (maybe use the same mouse on the average PC?) between the two machines, or if it's some sort of placebo effect.
Weight is a huge difference. look at any other "professional sport" where equipment comes into play, light bows compound bows and arrows of carbon for archery, Carbon lightweight car parts for racing, For accuracy shooting in rifle marksmanship, lighter parts are a massive plus. The same thing can be attributed to mouse movements and muscle memory in your arm and shoulder. It may be micro amounts, but consider this, 100 tiny movements with 150gram mouse vs 100 tiny movements or flicks/corrections whatever you want to call them with a 50 gram mouse... Think about the total amount of force and "work" needed to move each. clearly the lighter mouse has an advantage. You must also consider the force needed to initially move the mouse, to break that friction and get it to move, the mouse feet is a big part, but also the weight. Now, the weight/Force/work needed to Stop that same mouse regardless of weight, when you have it in a near full force swing across the mousepad, Again the lightest mouse has the clear advantage. Might it be nano seconds, and micro amounts of force, sure. It all adds up over a 12 hour gaming session. and yes, if someone put a G Pro X with a weight put in it and one that was my normal mouse with a blindfold and all that Id instantly be able to tell you what one is heavier. Down to within a couple grams id wager before id have trouble deciding.
Next they've got a microcenter sponsorship, set up a basic home/work pc (5ish year vintage CPU, onboard graphics or a basic GPU and moderate ram) Vs flashy rgb gamer rig with modern kit and have some people compare a few games, browser tabs, streaming etc. but hide the cables and see if average customers can tell a big performance difference , maybe say it's the expensive pc when it's really the cheap and vice versa to see what kinda comments they make. Could also compare screens using a cardboard box to hide the bezel and main body with a cutout for the screen.
I used to game on an 800x600 CRT monitor with a rubber ball mouse and semi-broken plastic keyboard harvested from my mom's office and I still managed to make it on the leaderboard of the CS1.6 servers I was playing on. Now that I'm older and have some income to buy higher end parts I'm terrible at games since I have no time to play them!
Exactly. People say older gamers are not as proficient but I've basically still got all the time in the world to game at 40+yrs (long time away from the workplace) and still regularly trounce these kids! My biggest issue is dealing with all the teenage bullshit on Comms xD
@@Kholaslittlespot1 I think such people would do well to remember the nightmare that higher end CRTs were to get to behave properly. Never had a "convergence" problem on an LCD!
This is me. I used to slay people on my dad's old CRT in CS. Now I have a pretty nice gaming setup, but no time to play & therefore suck at games. Let's hope my son will someday enjoy video games as much as I do, so I have an excuse to play games again.
5:57 Note on the wooting keyboard: it's not OPTICAL, it's a hall effect sensor. It's a subtle difference, but it's an important one. An optical keyboard can't as easily distinguished distance as a hall effect sensor can. Also, the keyboard is maybe the only thing I can recommend out of this set at about 6 minutes in and only for the practical purpose of the fact that in theory those key switches will never wear out as long as you replace the springs when they start to degrade, you can continue using that keyboard clear into the next millennium. Also, I really like the way they handled control software so there's no actual download to worry about. It's a web app and everything is stored on the keyboard
@@BHBalast yeah, it's actually pretty cool if you choose to download the app and install it. It's just an electron app. So any chromium-based browser will allow you to modify your keyboard settings just like it was installed on the device. And of course all of the settings are saved on the keyboard, which is again part of the reason why it's on my recommendation list because there's no control software that you actually have to install and you don't have to keep anything running
Yeah Razer can take a page from them. Their software is god awful and the supposed in-mouse memory rarely works, Logitech is almost as bad as well. The memory is good but getting the software to let you store it is a nightmare.
Fun fact: that 26ms delay between button press and screen response in the "average" PC is right around the conductance delay between your motor cortex and the FDI which is the abductor muscle of the index finger that pressed the button.
@@Mangotunde Meaning it takes about as long for you to start clicking after you've sent the command to click from your brain to your finger as it takes the system to display the results of that click after the button itself is clicked.
@wolf2595 oh wow, that's really interesting. does that mean there's not rlly any point going faster? Since currently at the 26ms delay it seems, to the human brain, that's its basically instant.
@@grex2595 I still don’t understand how that makes a difference and latency improvements become “pointless.” The total latency then would be 52ms because you have to add the system latency on top of your human reaction time. It’s logical fallacy to think that because human reaction time is slower than the tech itself that improving the tech is pointless.
@@heatnup I didn't really make any of the claims you seem to be arguing with me about. I was just explaining the literal meaning of what was said. You do bring up a good point, however. You can, theoretically, reach a point where the total system latency is less than the average variance in the latency of your own body and mind. At that point, you literally could not improve now matter how much you reduce latency.
I think the newer Wooting keyboard model used here actually uses the new Hall Effect sensors instead of the old flaretech optical sensors. (HE edition). Especially because the older flaretech models didn't support 0.1 mm actuation distance (iirc smallest was 0.4 mm on the older models)
Yes, the 60HE (the only option out there) already states this in its name HE = hall effect. Additional Source: I own a wooting two with the flaretech switches and a 60HE
@@ic3max buddy of mine hit rank 1 on bo3 and they play with inverted sound too. However, this is because they bought a headset with a mic on the side they didn't like and wore it backwards for years and ended up training their hearing to be inverted lol
doubt it. maybe a confidence factor, might be more psychological. 10ms difference times is not something you are going to be able to notice lets not lie
@@amackzie Need to go watch the previous video they mention here. Used Shroud and other Pro level gamers as well as some casual gamers and yes, 10ms is noticeable IF you already have minimal latency on everything... Often youll see a streamer complain of lag, and look to his ping to see its only 20 higher then normal.. with that normal being 20-30ping.. but no.. We cant notice it lol.
@@crisnmaryfam7344I can absolutely feel the difference between 20 and 40 ping on apex. Maybe that’s just cuz apex servers are poop and 40 ( a totally normal ping) feels worse than 40 on other games. Combined I would probably feel the difference here. Especially the jump to 390 from my 144. And the wooting is a huge difference in certain games like apex where some movement tech can only be actuated on a 3fps window and at 144hz+ that’s difficult to do. People have said the wooting, since it’s like a hair trigger, makes that frametime easier to hit.
5:49 Correction. It's not an optical switch, it's a Hall Effect switch EDIT: 9:29 Same, not optical. Actuation point (and release) is based on the distance from the magnet in the switch to the sensor in the PCB
@@Ryuseigan It had a special stem which would occlude a different percentage of the light depending on position. It did have adjustable actuation, but not full range like the hall effect switches.
5:40 Anthony, the best thing about this keyboard is actually the "rapid trigger & tachyon mode", where upon lifting up on the switch the input can then be instantly triggered no matter where the switch has been actuated.
It would show that this video was a total click bait video. All of the so-called gimmicks are not gimmicks if the people playing the game are good at what they do it will enhance their experience of course!
@@Luckyluckyluc Once again, your talking about average gamers. If you used people who were really good at the game the one with out the better system would be handicapped! Stop believing what Linus tells you,like it is the bible!
@@cdiff07 bruh you just said it. If you're good at games you will definitely profit from the real advantages... Not everyone is a noob - especially the people trying to learn from videos like this one... So a much bigger fraction of viewers comapred to other LTT videos will actually benefit from what the so called "really good people" benefit from... I don't get why you belive Linus should only focus on people who have no more experience than playing on a 60hz console. I for example would consider myself a more advanced user I appreciate that videos like this one don't just say: "Oh, it probably doesn't make a difference for you since you're probably a noob couch gamer anyways bla bla bla you shouldn't buy anything featured in this video 'cause you are probably bad at videogames anyways" like WTF - how about you consider that this content is not ONLY for the 'average' person but also enthusiasts..?!
The problem with doing aim lab back and forth like that (as someone who used to work for them) is you WILL do better every consecutive round. That's what it's designed to do. So you'd probably have to keep going back and forth until you kept getting better on one system, and stopped getting better on the other. Or do 10min of warmup first on the avg system til you level out (like a stress test), and then go to the better system and see how much better you do. But even then it would still take some time for your body to adapt to the new abilities. But you can see if you plateau higher.
Warning on the 8khz mouse: they will not actually work at 8khz... They cause most games to drop frames unless you drop them down to 1khz, negating the feature. I have reached out to Razer and they pointed me to a FAQ in the mouse that states, specifically "Some games may need to be set to 1khz" - what they mean to say is "Most AAA games don't support 8khz polling properly"
@@re4796 the last time I tried it I couldn't play pubg with 8 kHz. It is still the same doesn't work properly. War Thunder doesn't work either, it has other ways of failing but it will not work like you would like to.
I have the razer viper 8kHz, can confirm that you are right, most games are a stuttery mess when it's set to 8k, like pubg and League. But the one game I DO care about the latency, which is valorant, has a setting called "Raw Input Buffer (Experimental)" with which the game runs fine. It is the only game in which 8k works, by toggling this setting.
I think this would have been a great opportunity to have an esports gamer in studio to conduct the test along with the average gamer. I suspect that the average professional gamer would have some sort of benefit from the decreased latency and as for your average gamer it would make no difference.
@@inpusket that's not a reputable test. The professional has potentially years of stats they can work off of to then gauge if there are any changes. Either way as much as I love their videos any way would have been a better test than the way they did it. But also at the same time unless you are making money off of it or just literally have 13K laying around to blow on a PC setup it's just content.
The most fun I ever had was running Black Squad on an old 4th Gen i5 and a 1050. Used the cheapest logitech wireless K&M and it was so much fun. The more I get into hardware now, the less fulfilled I feel. Mechanical keyboards, high DPI mice, high refresh rate. It all just seems like stuff to make me seem like I'm having more fun than I am. For the record, I started gaming on a Pentium III playing Counter Strike with a ball mouse. I'm on about more recently when I got back into gaming as an adult.
Part of this is the overhyped-ness of the marketing behind it all. You get your hopes up its going to be "Life Changing" and that much different, but in reality it is like buying top end sports equipment for an amateur, will it help? Maybe, but its designed for someone Already at the top level. Buying the best marksmen rifle and scope, and every other part for it, wont suddenly make you a world record sharpshooter...will it help your accuracy though? Absolutely. If you have the skill to use the tools in the first place.
I think you all, and the other people whove suggested this, are completely missing a huge problem with this idea... You kinda have to see to play the game -.- /jk but not rly lol
@@JPK1337 they did, but not with every part of the platform/system optimized as much as this, + not with 390hz monitors and special mouse/keyboards. I belive it was 144hz/240hz back then, at most.
Tenz couldn't even prove himself worth a damn in the NA CS scene lol. If you want to see people who are incredible at FPS games then Valorant is not the place to be looking.
As if these tests have any sort of validity. You'd have to do actual long term studies comparing both setups to have anything of value. Most people will perform better with the setup they're used to, even if it's technically "worse". Unless you actually have people track their performance over weeks, if not months, with the new setup it's not gonna tell us much. Hell, even if they performed better, what's proving that it's the setup and not them just having a really good day? These videos are meant for entertainment, the most they could ever prove is that we've definitely reached a point of diminishing returns for the average user.
11:14 that is NOT a joke warning, by the way. Attempting to swallow any sort of powdery or granuly substances completely dry like that can, if you start coughing and retching, cause permanent damage to your throat and/or airways. If you absolutely do want to try, say, the cinnamon spoon challenge from ages ago, or something similar instead, the best way to go about it is to; hold your breath from the moment you put the spoon in your mouth, start working on producing saliva to wetten whatever you are attempting to swallow - this is where the difficulty comes into play, as things like cinnamon or powdery stuff will work very well against saliva production, and many start caughing because they underestimated the time it would take to sufficiently wetten the stuff and started taking involuntary breaths. Once you feel that your saliva has sufficiently wetten it - it should feel clumpy, - you can attempt to swallow it. If you absolutely do need to breath before swallowing, attempt to do this by closing the back of your throat while breating in and out through your nose alone, do not try to breath through your mouth, as this is what will be most dangerous.
I think the testing could be better... two suggestions: 1) test with professional gamers who have the reflexes to take advantage of the gear and 2) give the test subjects a chance to acclimate to (practice on) the "try hard system."
And the pros have had hours and hours and hours of practice and the muscle memory that goes with it, so it would reveal nothing. The average person would get better with those same hours of practice. Results would not be any different.
@@TotallySlapdash They do a whole range of different sizes, though a lot of times they're sold out on the more popular sizes. I've been using a Wooting One as my Keyboard since like 2018 ish and though I wish I had the more up-to-date hardware version, I don't think I'll ever actually need to replace this keyboard. They're not cheap though xD probably the most expensive keyboard worth buying. Saying that they still only cost about £125-140, So as a long term investment that you would never need to replace, it is pretty damn decent.
@@richardgarrett2792 The results may or may not be different - that's the entire point of doing testing - to prove or reject a hypothesis. Also, pros may have a higher potential to improve and take advantage of the equipment when compared with normals.
Like how they tested monitor refresh rate, back in the day. They had a mix of LTT staff and pro gamer. For this point though a pros besides the point. Of course, scientifically speaking they aren't going to get a represetatative sample of even 1000 gamers, so technically the one of is more anecdotal than statistically significant. They rarely do more than 5 LMG, but something like this, I'd like a varied set of 10 people - gossip with the ergo dialed in.
The mistake they made was using that tiny mouse when they actually could have got better performance from something wireless like a Viper V2 Pro which would feel even better
@@blunderingfool He may have a pre-existing condition that makes it harder for him to exercise and lose weight/makes it easier for him to gain weight. I'm sure he's aware of his own issues. But otherwise, I do agree with your sentiment. It's important for him to lose some weight and get healthier!
So happy about the airflow pattern optimisation, I’ve been considering similar fan setups for so long, and been annoyed that no reviewers ever seem to consider unorthodox airflow paths like so.
Actually, on the Wooting, your actuation point can be whenever you begin pressing the key down. So when you've pressed the key fully down, let it go and when it's halfway done unpressing press it down again it will register a second time. This feature is rapid trigger and it's the feature that caused the osu! community to lose their minds for a while.
the suggestion for coaching with that kind of money is unironically great! dedicating time to practice and a coach shows way better dedication than just paying for better hardware and hoping that it'll change how you play!
I feel like we’re finally at a point where even cheap computers are so good, your performance is much more limited by your own personal reaction time, unless you are a super high performing MLG person.
Video cards are more expensive than they've ever been. Why people care so much about winning and trivial stuff is beyond me though, they're...games, they're meant to be fun. I couldn't imagine ever remotely comparing winning a video game to anything in the real world, including sports.
@@DoubleMonoLR so what make winning in sports any different? It's also a game. It's such a weird mentality that sports which are also games some how get a pass. Yes we pay someone millions to bounce a ball around is somehow accepted but video games? Oh no that for fun only, anyone who thinks of that as competitive is dumb. Like seriously?
Keyboard advice: if you're used to a normal mechanical key's press it's going to be weird using switches that activate with so much less movement - I found the way I used to rest my hand on the keys when not typing/moving in-game would cause my k100 to register a keypress (I had made the switch from cherry reds to the k100's opx switches). It took some getting used to, but now I prefer the quick input. For anyone who wants 8k polling rate and optical-mechanical switches, but also like full-sized keyboards; the Corsair K100 has both of those feature (it uses the corsair opx optical/mechanical switches and, according to corsair specs, is capable of "Up to 8,000Hz with AXON" - there may be cheaper options, idk; I got mine from microcenter a few years ago before hipsters made 65%'s popular - I think it was right around when corsair released their 65% kb (or maybe it was Razer w/ their 60%?). Other than that, there wasn't a 60-75% on the market for a comparable price)
This is the kind of content I subscribe for, things that are so balls to the walls that it’s never practical, but you always wanted to know what’s like. Kind of similar to cranking the config on a laptop
I’m not sure if you guys wore the headphone backwards on purpose at 6:55, but I know I made that mistake with those headphones when I got them the first month. Man they sound so much better when you wear them right 😂
Laughed to tears at "the enemy" and 'gaming powder' moments xD Saved to FAVS. Been a long time since I've seen a 'tech' video that amusing and entertaining) Thank you so very much))
As an owner of the Wooting Two HE that also uses the Lekker Switch like yours do, i want to correct the statement that it is optical switches, they are not, the are hall effect switches (magnet in the steam of the switch and the sensor build into the PCB)
And remember, to keep this system clean, you can't use regular compressed air found usually on an end cap display in best buy, make sure you go into the computer section and get a can of "gaming" compressed air. It's gotta be better. It's more expensive and has the word "gaming" right there on the can.
Not relevant, but I once played a Facebook game (Pirates or something by Plarium) which was pay to play. The people who dominated the game were the people who got out their credit card and purchased all the good boats and pirates. Well I worked out if you sent an attack but quickly double clicked as you sent it, then cancelled your attack immediately, suddenly you had twice the amount of boats and pirates you had before launching the attack. It only took about 5 minutes before you had the strongest force by far and were destroying everything the people with massive credit cards had. I still have the strongest attack rating in that game until this day, I also did it in another game by Plarium, I think it was called Sparta. I got banned from those games pretty quickly, but not before I ruined the days for a few of the pay to play heros, my inbox was flooded pretty quickly by people asking how I did it. Plarium fixed the bug within 24 hours, but the damage I did was vast and extensive. Fun times .
@@KofolaDealer I remember that they are a literal casino company, and that they made Raid, that's it. EDIT: Plarium's owners are a casio company, almost remembered it correctly...
14:01 - This is a very true point. It's what causes those weird deaths where you still take damage AFTER breaking line of sight. Beat by someone with better reaction times than you AND they have a monster PC setup. So in some sense frames do win games, but you still need to be good at the game to begin with.
No taking damage after breaking line of sight is network lag and game state synchronization. But for the rest.. Yes and is also something that will happen a few times in the life of a competitive player ("same time shots": a few ms timespan shots). So I guess the money is still better spent on anything else. Better internet provider or even performance enhancing drugs to lower the human reaction time, which make the 95% of the latency.
Well considering human reaction times are orders of magnitude longer than the difference between setups. And the network lag is order of magnitude longer as well. Its safe to say that there is 0 impact on gaming. If you only care about the competitive edge, your setup is far less important than things like diet, focus, exercise etc. You are better off investing time and money into a good diet, meditation and mental wellbeing, and a personal trainer. All of those things will improve your reaction times and your gaming. However if you want to run drop dead gorgeous games and not sacrifice frames, then you might want to invest in a beefy setup. But you will be beaten by 13 year olds playing on a school desktop
4:44 simson refrence when homer goes skiing and sees stupid flanders with his tight jump sute and he accidentally goes down the hardes run while hitting his dong several times on built up snow paches, where he eventually hits a jump, does a flip, while marge is in the main skii area inside, when a clock falls on her leg, braking it
I just realized because it's programmable and analog, I can make analog media control. I think I finally found the first keyboard I'm willing to spend money on.
You can bind some keys as media keys. Perhaps through fn layer if preferred. (I personally rebound the profile switch keys to media keys, and have the profile switching on the same keys but then with fn instead of without)
13:29 Would be interesting these bar graphs split up to show how much of the total was taken up by which component. I know some of them would be hard/ almost impossible to quantify accurately but some would not. At the very least it would be possible to show mouse and keyboard input to PC latency and GPU to display latency
I love the G502... It is heavy 😭 On a second note, if someone could make an outer shell or chassis on the MK2 for ergonomics, that would be a grand idea for gamers.
I had an adjustable weight mouse (RAT 9) and ended up loading all the weights into it because I despised the twitchy handling in anything except an fps shooter which I don't really play online anyway
@@eoinkenny3188 Uhh, I remember the R.A.T. mice. Had a 5 myself. Was an awesome mouse until I smashed my hand on it. Thanks CSGO for that. Are they still produced? Maybe I get myself one again.
It makes me really happy to see options like sennheiser hd800s, re20, wooting and even the mouse m1k which all are my end game goal here, not that it is a surprise but its nice to see that people actually did put some research and probably are just as into this stuff as i am
Yeah, I was thinking they'd go for a Logitech or Razer "gaming" headset. Maybe a Sennheiser PC38x, but to actually go for the HD800 S is noice. The CPU retention bracket, even the chair (Aeron for me personally). If I ever make a modern list of ultimate PC parts, this is extremely close to it.
@Transistor Jump Not necessarily "better" but it is the planar counterpart to what the HD800/800S is capable of. I think it just presents the sound differently than what the HD800S can. A good example of this is the soundstaging. HD800/S is focused on extreme width while the Arya (and other egg-shaped Hifiman headphones) focus on verticality, scale, and "grandness". Depending on what type of presentation you prefer, both are exceptional in what they do best.
You forgot to go for Optane for latency reduction over nand. I doubt there are many games that do not preload enough to ram for it to be practically irrelevant but it would be in the spirit of the video.
@@gucky4717 doesn't change the facts regarding performance. If I had the money to spare I'd buy 4 of the largest p5800x. I've scooped up what I've been able to at my price range.
and an OLED monitor for response time. Dont know how they whiffed on that one. Hardware unboxed measures response time and OLEDs as you would expect kill any LCD
The Wooting 60HE does NOT have an optical switch like some razor keyboards, the Wooting 60HE has magnetic Lekker switches (from Gateron). This is why actuation can be adjusted via software (b/c they are magnets); this is impossible for optical switches. Hopefully this error can be corrected in the video, Thanks! :) -Nima
Awesome vid Anthony! That keyboard blew my mind, i mean the whole build blew my mind but that keyboard is something else! Glad to see Anthony doing his thing! Happy new years to the whole Linus Tech crew!!!
Anthony just hosted it, Adam was the writer. Though it is awesome in itself to see Anthony in front of the camera just reading off a script like Linus does. He's a great host
watching body builders dry scoop pre workout all the time made me forget that it's a terrible idea ^_^" the guy who offered Linus the dry scoop is a hero XD
that recalls how competitive cycling once decided that hardware must fall within certain specs to not give unfair advantage - like wheel sizes or recumbent bikes 😁
Now thats a video that i have been waiting for since 3 years man. Less go and oh by the way can u continue the series like does high fps really make u better gamer when 540hz monitor comes out.
The Wooting HE is not an “Optical Keyboard” it uses “Hall Effect”, which is what HE stands for. It’s a magnet and a sensor that detects the potential difference across an electrical conductor when the magnet is applied in a perpendicular direction to the flow of the switch current.
I got a WootingOne when it was a kickstarter project. Also bought a WootingTwo that I have kept new, in box. It's a very interesting keyboard and it will probably be strange for me if I were to go back to a normal mechanical keyboard.
Lmaooo dude I’m dying, the Simpsons reference was phenomenal. I remember being a little kid watching that episode and I couldn’t stop laughing. Flanders: “Feels like your wearing nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all.” Homer: “D’OH. Stupid sexy Flanders.” Lmaoo nothing better 😆 amazing reference Anthony, I wish more people would give you props for your phenomenal references. :) that made my day, thank you!
I got a 3 button foot pedal several years ago and using it to crouch open inventory and run in games and taking them off the keyboard and mouse has been amazing. Fingers have much less to do.
Invested in a razer controller for my 360 back in the day because it had six extra mappable buttons, my brain can't use a normal controller anymore. The newest one, the Chroma V2 is so damn comfortable and they use tactile switches for all the buttons so they 'click' like a mouse press (sound and all)
When Linus spit out that powder that literally made me laugh out loud. And I'm alone. Getting me to smile is hard enough when I'm alone -- you undoubtedly did something funny when I audibly laugh. Thanks LMG. Have a great night.
The whole video idea would be blown up. It is obvious for any person that is educated in this,that if two gamers of equal skill were given this scenario, the one who had the worse system,would definately be handicapped!
Analog keyboards are super cool, even just for a "controller-like" movement system while still using mouse and keyboard. Take competitive shooters out of the equation; even just playing a single player game where you can subtly press a little to walk instead of run can be such an experience booster.
@@OwenDavies83 The issue is something called "rapid trigger" basically it allows for multiple key inputs within the same stroke. ANY upwards movement counts as a release, and ANY downwards movement counts as a press. In rhythm games, or games with frame perfect key inputs, this has a massive impact on accuracy and repeatability. In osu! particularly, some players are able to tap up to 30% faster with this keyboard, as well as avoiding a lot of issues that can cause inconsistencies with other keyboards. If you accidentally half-press a key on any other keyboard, you miss a note, but with the wooting it would still count as normal. I don't think these are "issues" just advantages, but it's an advantage you can only get with an expensive purchase.
After I change the monitor from 60hz to 144hz, I became better at COD and Overwatch. Playing at 140FPS is a great experience and really impacts in my performance on COD
Just nitpicking but the wooting has a faster response option called "Tachyon" mode, also it was said it is optical but it actually uses hall effect sensors. Edit: I had though I had heard that Tachyon increase polling rat but it is still 1khz
It's not 8khz polling? Where did you get this pure misinformation from? It's still 1khz, but the scan time goes to 1ms at all times. The latency is reduced. The polling rate isn't increased.
I’m glad to see they built this monster inside the Fractal Torrent 😆. Definitely best airflow case on the market at the moment, and really good looking for a Fractal case
I think a CS:go pro would demonstrate and feel the difference between these two pcs much better. Also the shape of the mouse is definitely a much bigger factor in your performance if you are not used to it.
While there could be some difference between the 2 systems, I think for the pros the setup which was more close to their personal peripherals would perform better, like the shape of the mouse, mousemat material, maybe even the switches in the keyboard.. few milliseconds here and there wouldnt be the difference maker.
Hey! Great video! As a suggestion, it would be really cool to see like a part 2 of this video where real competitive gamers try out the Tryhard PC. It would be cool to see, especially if you are able to find gamers that use more "average" systems for competitive shooter games, and aren't able to experience this level of responsiveness in games.
YES! a more compréhensive way to relativize human related performance and hardware.. you should make the test on a larger numbers of players (like the one you did with the screens)
Dude, tryhard systems like the one in the video only matters for people who reached pro levels of performance. The average joe doesnt need this. Its just waste of money if you think you will win more having a system like that.
The answer to this question is simple, it does nothing. Speed runners using 3-4 decade old original hardware have been competing with modern gaming setups on the leader boards and time and time again their shows no significant advantage between the two, if pooling rates, mouse weight, and travel times were relevant then speed runners would be raving about how they improved their times with new hardware and that world record typists got more words per minute on the latest keyboard.
Hey LMG Team what about the most power efficient gaming PC for the most used resolutions according to steam. I always wondered if a better gpu and cpu if capped to a certain frame rate would be worth it.
Haha nice! Honestly the reason he played bad and lost was because you missed the fastest ram! The DDR5-7800 CL36, is faster than the DDR5-7200 CL34 by 0.213ns! Swap this and enjoy the 100% winrate!
I can’t tell the difference, I have a 165hz monitor and run most games including racing games locked at half that with higher quality and better consistency.
@@oxfordsparky 80-100fps for anything else than competitive is totally smooth enough. As long as it's running 90fps, I'm happy No point in locking framerates to anything less than your monitors capability though, there absolutely is a noticeable difference between 80 and 160
@@ZenTunE- I cap the frame rate for better frame pacing, a locked 83fps feels a lot better than jumping around between 90fps and 150fps. I also used to run at a locked 165fps and then changed to 144fps by lowering the visuals and I can’t feel the slightest difference in smoothness from either of them compared to my current 83fps.
you didn't chose the best audio interface latency-wise. it would be best to chose one with asio audio support, because windows audio adds soooooooooo much latency. Something like a Motu M2, where you can adjust the sample rate and buffer size for lowest latency. The Motu M2 also has a "use lowest latency safety offsets" setting for maximum latency reduction. I actually noticed a difference in my offset time in rythm games with windows audio and the asio drivers.
The Skypad 2.0 is literally the best mousepad I've ever used and it last an eternity, so yeah that one's definitely a recommendation(allthough very difficult to use, when you are used to it it is amazing)
@@macberg5806 shidenkai is discontinued. also artisan rly doesn't last that long, my hien has a ton of dead spots after 2 years. artisan themselves recommend u swap pads every few months. but they are going to be coming out with a new series where the surface is removable so u just buy a base and then replace the surface without having to buy a new pad. still won't be as cost effective over time as a skypad but it's an improvement.
I remember when these top of the line builds were called "Compensator". Good times.
I'm thinking back to when Luke put 4 Titan X cards together in the compensator build.
Weren’t the compensator builds a bit more showcase type of deals?
@@Aremisalive those were the best. the price/performance was awful at the end of those builds but they were the most fun to watch.
Oh yeah, those were amazing builds
@@U1TR4F0RCE the good deals on litraly litraly the most expensive products on the market 🤡
Love how it's basically, let's take everything expensive sent from short circuit and put it all on one place
So where is the problem they made a point in the video so that's the only thing that matters
I mean, if you don't make multiple videos with the expensive crap, it'll never pay for itself.
So, basically, everything on Short Circuit.
@@brokenocci 1 he wasn't saying it's a bad thing.
2. Linus isn't gonna see you bro
@@Mythicalgoon 1 the way he pointed it out was not a good way
2 who cares of linus
3 who asked for your opinion
It'd be interesting to see if you can do a blind/double-blind test to see if people actually can tell a significant difference (maybe use the same mouse on the average PC?) between the two machines, or if it's some sort of placebo effect.
Yeah, the mouse does make a big difference, the weight and the shape. Definitely should keep that the same in both machines.
Please get the most skilled gamers in the company too, and on the games they play. I can only tell easily when I play the one game I'm really good at.
Weight is a huge difference. look at any other "professional sport" where equipment comes into play, light bows compound bows and arrows of carbon for archery, Carbon lightweight car parts for racing, For accuracy shooting in rifle marksmanship, lighter parts are a massive plus. The same thing can be attributed to mouse movements and muscle memory in your arm and shoulder. It may be micro amounts, but consider this, 100 tiny movements with 150gram mouse vs 100 tiny movements or flicks/corrections whatever you want to call them with a 50 gram mouse... Think about the total amount of force and "work" needed to move each. clearly the lighter mouse has an advantage. You must also consider the force needed to initially move the mouse, to break that friction and get it to move, the mouse feet is a big part, but also the weight. Now, the weight/Force/work needed to Stop that same mouse regardless of weight, when you have it in a near full force swing across the mousepad, Again the lightest mouse has the clear advantage. Might it be nano seconds, and micro amounts of force, sure. It all adds up over a 12 hour gaming session.
and yes, if someone put a G Pro X with a weight put in it and one that was my normal mouse with a blindfold and all that Id instantly be able to tell you what one is heavier. Down to within a couple grams id wager before id have trouble deciding.
Next they've got a microcenter sponsorship, set up a basic home/work pc (5ish year vintage CPU, onboard graphics or a basic GPU and moderate ram) Vs flashy rgb gamer rig with modern kit and have some people compare a few games, browser tabs, streaming etc. but hide the cables and see if average customers can tell a big performance difference , maybe say it's the expensive pc when it's really the cheap and vice versa to see what kinda comments they make.
Could also compare screens using a cardboard box to hide the bezel and main body with a cutout for the screen.
@tangled earphones don't watch then
I would love a series like Donut's Hi-Low where a setup would be progressively upgraded in order to see what parts are more important.
That's actually a very interesting idea, hope they see this.
"We blew up 7 processors in Hi rig but we finally found a processor that will overclock to 7 Ghz and be stable!"
@@Hybris51129 😂😂😂 They need to find an ebay motors equivalent for themselves to pay for those chips..
@@Hybris51129 Man, this comment gets funnier everytime I read it.. Poor Donut guys.. 😂😂😅😅
@@minegaming01YT nope.
I think there’s a limit to how much FPS matters in games. You can give Linus the best PC on the planet, but skill will matter.
Ooooooooo shit
@@ellyh2247 true
Noooooo shit
water is wet, this comment sounds written by an AI lol
Damn, didn't know that being shit at a game would mean I'm shit at that game.
I used to game on an 800x600 CRT monitor with a rubber ball mouse and semi-broken plastic keyboard harvested from my mom's office and I still managed to make it on the leaderboard of the CS1.6 servers I was playing on. Now that I'm older and have some income to buy higher end parts I'm terrible at games since I have no time to play them!
Exactly. People say older gamers are not as proficient but I've basically still got all the time in the world to game at 40+yrs (long time away from the workplace) and still regularly trounce these kids!
My biggest issue is dealing with all the teenage bullshit on Comms xD
@@ts757arse I shudder to think what collectors will pay for some of the CRTs that many of us have binned, or sent off on a pallet.
@@Kholaslittlespot1 I think such people would do well to remember the nightmare that higher end CRTs were to get to behave properly. Never had a "convergence" problem on an LCD!
Guess what? that old CRT monitor has really fast response times
This is me. I used to slay people on my dad's old CRT in CS. Now I have a pretty nice gaming setup, but no time to play & therefore suck at games. Let's hope my son will someday enjoy video games as much as I do, so I have an excuse to play games again.
It would be interesting to see how a competitive e-sports gamer would behave between these systems
Would like to see it with a mouse and mousepad the gamer is comfortable using.
They have a video with shroud comparing if FPS matters. Recommend the watch.
If it was a blind test? No difference. If you told them the milliseconds? They'd be like: "EWWWWW" to the slower system and not even use it. 😆
E sports is the only gamer who needs this
@@fitybux4664 Not true since they already did such a test with 144 vs 240 hz and low vs high fps - the performance spoke for itself lol
5:57 Note on the wooting keyboard: it's not OPTICAL, it's a hall effect sensor. It's a subtle difference, but it's an important one. An optical keyboard can't as easily distinguished distance as a hall effect sensor can.
Also, the keyboard is maybe the only thing I can recommend out of this set at about 6 minutes in and only for the practical purpose of the fact that in theory those key switches will never wear out as long as you replace the springs when they start to degrade, you can continue using that keyboard clear into the next millennium. Also, I really like the way they handled control software so there's no actual download to worry about. It's a web app and everything is stored on the keyboard
Woah, never thought about it, web interface is fantastic idea for a non budget gear!
@@BHBalast yeah, it's actually pretty cool if you choose to download the app and install it. It's just an electron app. So any chromium-based browser will allow you to modify your keyboard settings just like it was installed on the device. And of course all of the settings are saved on the keyboard, which is again part of the reason why it's on my recommendation list because there's no control software that you actually have to install and you don't have to keep anything running
It just depends on implementation, optical switch can work the same.
It's not even a subtle difference, the working principle is completely different.
Yeah Razer can take a page from them. Their software is god awful and the supposed in-mouse memory rarely works, Logitech is almost as bad as well. The memory is good but getting the software to let you store it is a nightmare.
Fun fact: that 26ms delay between button press and screen response in the "average" PC is right around the conductance delay between your motor cortex and the FDI which is the abductor muscle of the index finger that pressed the button.
meaning...
@@Mangotunde Meaning it takes about as long for you to start clicking after you've sent the command to click from your brain to your finger as it takes the system to display the results of that click after the button itself is clicked.
@wolf2595 oh wow, that's really interesting. does that mean there's not rlly any point going faster? Since currently at the 26ms delay it seems, to the human brain, that's its basically instant.
@@grex2595 I still don’t understand how that makes a difference and latency improvements become “pointless.” The total latency then would be 52ms because you have to add the system latency on top of your human reaction time. It’s logical fallacy to think that because human reaction time is slower than the tech itself that improving the tech is pointless.
@@heatnup I didn't really make any of the claims you seem to be arguing with me about. I was just explaining the literal meaning of what was said. You do bring up a good point, however. You can, theoretically, reach a point where the total system latency is less than the average variance in the latency of your own body and mind. At that point, you literally could not improve now matter how much you reduce latency.
I think the newer Wooting keyboard model used here actually uses the new Hall Effect sensors instead of the old flaretech optical sensors. (HE edition). Especially because the older flaretech models didn't support 0.1 mm actuation distance (iirc smallest was 0.4 mm on the older models)
Wooting one here, first model, the lowest actuation possible is 1.5mm.
Yes, the 60HE (the only option out there) already states this in its name HE = hall effect. Additional Source: I own a wooting two with the flaretech switches and a 60HE
@@Grimm211 What do you mean only option out there? The Wooting 2 HE has hall effect switches as well. Evidence: I have the 2 HE and 60HE.
Yeah that's really important to know on this video it makes sense to add that info.
Steelseries Apex Pro uses hall effect and it has been on the market for quite a while now
6:52 I’ve heard of inverted controls, but inverting the sound by wearing your headphones backwards is new to me.
oh my god I DIDNT REALIZE THGAT LMAO
The csgo pro Amanek (played for G2 for years) plays with inverted sound.
There's two CoD pros playing inverted sound as well
@@ic3max buddy of mine hit rank 1 on bo3 and they play with inverted sound too. However, this is because they bought a headset with a mic on the side they didn't like and wore it backwards for years and ended up training their hearing to be inverted lol
I would've liked to have seen someone in the esports scene try this out compared to their set up. Would it have benefited them?
Yap. Get either an FPS or RTS pro where exact movement and milisecond can make a difference.
doubt it. maybe a confidence factor, might be more psychological. 10ms difference times is not something you are going to be able to notice lets not lie
@@amackzie Need to go watch the previous video they mention here. Used Shroud and other Pro level gamers as well as some casual gamers and yes, 10ms is noticeable IF you already have minimal latency on everything... Often youll see a streamer complain of lag, and look to his ping to see its only 20 higher then normal.. with that normal being 20-30ping.. but no.. We cant notice it lol.
@@crisnmaryfam7344I can absolutely feel the difference between 20 and 40 ping on apex. Maybe that’s just cuz apex servers are poop and 40 ( a totally normal ping) feels worse than 40 on other games.
Combined I would probably feel the difference here. Especially the jump to 390 from my 144.
And the wooting is a huge difference in certain games like apex where some movement tech can only be actuated on a 3fps window and at 144hz+ that’s difficult to do. People have said the wooting, since it’s like a hair trigger, makes that frametime easier to hit.
@@amackzie 10 ms will make a slight difference. Many pro esports players have a latency from eye to finger under 200ms.
I could listen to him talk about computers all day. He's really good at narrating content.
Seconded.
who
@@NeerajKumarDelhiWallaour lord and savior
Really great at writing the content, too
Hmm
5:49 Correction. It's not an optical switch, it's a Hall Effect switch
EDIT: 9:29 Same, not optical. Actuation point (and release) is based on the distance from the magnet in the switch to the sensor in the PCB
Exactly. Lekkar and OmniPoint are the only Hall Effect switches on the market on consumer ready products!
wooting was known for their optical switches before they recently went all hall effect
Yes, as recent as 3 years ago
Yeah, I was wondering how an optical switch sensed force.
@@Ryuseigan It had a special stem which would occlude a different percentage of the light depending on position. It did have adjustable actuation, but not full range like the hall effect switches.
5:40 Anthony, the best thing about this keyboard is actually the "rapid trigger & tachyon mode", where upon lifting up on the switch the input can then be instantly triggered no matter where the switch has been actuated.
Only good thing about this board is rapid trigger that's all.
Would love to see this test done with professional gamers
It would show that this video was a total click bait video. All of the so-called gimmicks are not gimmicks if the people playing the game are good at what they do it will enhance their experience of course!
@@cdiff07 it's not since they already did such a test with 144 vs 240 hz and low vs high fps - the performance spoke for itself lol
@@Luckyluckyluc Once again, your talking about average gamers. If you used people who were really good at the game the one with out the better system would be handicapped! Stop believing what Linus tells you,like it is the bible!
@@cdiff07 bruh you just said it. If you're good at games you will definitely profit from the real advantages... Not everyone is a noob - especially the people trying to learn from videos like this one... So a much bigger fraction of viewers comapred to other LTT videos will actually benefit from what the so called "really good people" benefit from... I don't get why you belive Linus should only focus on people who have no more experience than playing on a 60hz console. I for example would consider myself a more advanced user I appreciate that videos like this one don't just say: "Oh, it probably doesn't make a difference for you since you're probably a noob couch gamer anyways bla bla bla you shouldn't buy anything featured in this video 'cause you are probably bad at videogames anyways" like WTF - how about you consider that this content is not ONLY for the 'average' person but also enthusiasts..?!
They made that video already. Answer: after 240fps it does not matter.
Don't forget we need Riley's "Gamer Paste" (Dorito and Mountain Dew Mush) also, that's what REALLY makes a gamer a gamer!
@sheelagaming2331 you realize how obvious this is right?
@@TheTallOne890 Please don't answer the spam bot! Thank You!
@@ArturoTabera just having some fun lol
Are you supposed to put it on your hands, or just lather it all over your body? 😆
The problem with doing aim lab back and forth like that (as someone who used to work for them) is you WILL do better every consecutive round. That's what it's designed to do. So you'd probably have to keep going back and forth until you kept getting better on one system, and stopped getting better on the other. Or do 10min of warmup first on the avg system til you level out (like a stress test), and then go to the better system and see how much better you do. But even then it would still take some time for your body to adapt to the new abilities. But you can see if you plateau higher.
Warning on the 8khz mouse: they will not actually work at 8khz... They cause most games to drop frames unless you drop them down to 1khz, negating the feature.
I have reached out to Razer and they pointed me to a FAQ in the mouse that states, specifically "Some games may need to be set to 1khz" - what they mean to say is "Most AAA games don't support 8khz polling properly"
This isn't a thing anymore lol
@@re4796 yeah, 8KHz mice are not a thing anymore 😂
@@or1on89 wrong. Its all 4k hz atleast now
@@re4796 the last time I tried it I couldn't play pubg with 8 kHz. It is still the same doesn't work properly. War Thunder doesn't work either, it has other ways of failing but it will not work like you would like to.
I have the razer viper 8kHz, can confirm that you are right, most games are a stuttery mess when it's set to 8k, like pubg and League. But the one game I DO care about the latency, which is valorant, has a setting called "Raw Input Buffer (Experimental)" with which the game runs fine. It is the only game in which 8k works, by toggling this setting.
I think this would have been a great opportunity to have an esports gamer in studio to conduct the test along with the average gamer. I suspect that the average professional gamer would have some sort of benefit from the decreased latency and as for your average gamer it would make no difference.
An average gamer vs an gamer with a standard gaming PC would be a huge difference.
@@Keepskatin actually,the test should be pro gamer with avg pc vs avg gamer with pro pc.
@@inpusket that's not a reputable test. The professional has potentially years of stats they can work off of to then gauge if there are any changes. Either way as much as I love their videos any way would have been a better test than the way they did it. But also at the same time unless you are making money off of it or just literally have 13K laying around to blow on a PC setup it's just content.
They really needed to do this. Sure it doesn't make a difference to Linus, it won't make a difference for me, but it might for someone else.
I agree
The most fun I ever had was running Black Squad on an old 4th Gen i5 and a 1050. Used the cheapest logitech wireless K&M and it was so much fun. The more I get into hardware now, the less fulfilled I feel. Mechanical keyboards, high DPI mice, high refresh rate. It all just seems like stuff to make me seem like I'm having more fun than I am.
For the record, I started gaming on a Pentium III playing Counter Strike with a ball mouse. I'm on about more recently when I got back into gaming as an adult.
Part of this is the overhyped-ness of the marketing behind it all. You get your hopes up its going to be "Life Changing" and that much different, but in reality it is like buying top end sports equipment for an amateur, will it help? Maybe, but its designed for someone Already at the top level. Buying the best marksmen rifle and scope, and every other part for it, wont suddenly make you a world record sharpshooter...will it help your accuracy though? Absolutely. If you have the skill to use the tools in the first place.
We are adult now, now we don't like games as much as when we were teenagers
The heart popping out on MKBHD caught me off guard 😅
Lol
It might be interesting to do a blind test to see what people think about each one.
right. usually in science if it's not a blind test it's not a scientific test.
@@xfghffhfg "Blind", or Usually with a "Control Group" without variables
I think you all, and the other people whove suggested this, are completely missing a huge problem with this idea...
You kinda have to see to play the game -.-
/jk but not rly lol
Love the all in approach. It's like money is nothing at all
Sometimes more money is just way worse. Look at that mouse. You can't play with that :D
It seems like literally every video Anthony is in is gold.
Yeah love him
He's good but he should lose like 70 kg at minimum.
@@sandboy5880 Agreed, he looks like a random gen character where all of the slider options are maxed out to the left or the right.
I would love to see them try out these two systems with someone like TenZ who is already incredible and see if they can get a measurable improvement.
@@JPK1337 they did, but not with every part of the platform/system optimized as much as this, + not with 390hz monitors and special mouse/keyboards.
I belive it was 144hz/240hz back then, at most.
Tenz couldn't even prove himself worth a damn in the NA CS scene lol. If you want to see people who are incredible at FPS games then Valorant is not the place to be looking.
I HECKIN' LOVE TENZ BatChest
As if these tests have any sort of validity. You'd have to do actual long term studies comparing both setups to have anything of value. Most people will perform better with the setup they're used to, even if it's technically "worse". Unless you actually have people track their performance over weeks, if not months, with the new setup it's not gonna tell us much. Hell, even if they performed better, what's proving that it's the setup and not them just having a really good day? These videos are meant for entertainment, the most they could ever prove is that we've definitely reached a point of diminishing returns for the average user.
It would be interesting to see pro players trying it like you did in the "Refresh rate does matter? (Hertz VS FPS) test"
Yeah, get Shroud in there
they did tho? 🤔dunno if that video was before or after for sure, but pretty sure it was before.
Always interesting to see how far an enthusiast budget can go
they have a sponsor and will make money with this video. not too long and it was probably worth it, financially
I mean, I'd prefer a nice open looped workstation, but each to their own!
11:14 that is NOT a joke warning, by the way. Attempting to swallow any sort of powdery or granuly substances completely dry like that can, if you start coughing and retching, cause permanent damage to your throat and/or airways.
If you absolutely do want to try, say, the cinnamon spoon challenge from ages ago, or something similar instead, the best way to go about it is to; hold your breath from the moment you put the spoon in your mouth, start working on producing saliva to wetten whatever you are attempting to swallow - this is where the difficulty comes into play, as things like cinnamon or powdery stuff will work very well against saliva production, and many start caughing because they underestimated the time it would take to sufficiently wetten the stuff and started taking involuntary breaths.
Once you feel that your saliva has sufficiently wetten it - it should feel clumpy, - you can attempt to swallow it.
If you absolutely do need to breath before swallowing, attempt to do this by closing the back of your throat while breating in and out through your nose alone, do not try to breath through your mouth, as this is what will be most dangerous.
the fact this takes not one but TWO extreme tech upgrades from AMD/Intel is crazy
I think the testing could be better... two suggestions: 1) test with professional gamers who have the reflexes to take advantage of the gear and 2) give the test subjects a chance to acclimate to (practice on) the "try hard system."
And the pros have had hours and hours and hours of practice and the muscle memory that goes with it, so it would reveal nothing.
The average person would get better with those same hours of practice.
Results would not be any different.
@@TotallySlapdash They do a whole range of different sizes, though a lot of times they're sold out on the more popular sizes. I've been using a Wooting One as my Keyboard since like 2018 ish and though I wish I had the more up-to-date hardware version, I don't think I'll ever actually need to replace this keyboard.
They're not cheap though xD probably the most expensive keyboard worth buying. Saying that they still only cost about £125-140, So as a long term investment that you would never need to replace, it is pretty damn decent.
@@richardgarrett2792 The results may or may not be different - that's the entire point of doing testing - to prove or reject a hypothesis. Also, pros may have a higher potential to improve and take advantage of the equipment when compared with normals.
Like how they tested monitor refresh rate, back in the day. They had a mix of LTT staff and pro gamer. For this point though a pros besides the point. Of course, scientifically speaking they aren't going to get a represetatative sample of even 1000 gamers, so technically the one of is more anecdotal than statistically significant. They rarely do more than 5 LMG, but something like this, I'd like a varied set of 10 people - gossip with the ergo dialed in.
The mistake they made was using that tiny mouse when they actually could have got better performance from something wireless like a Viper V2 Pro which would feel even better
Finally, Anthony on the main channel again. We need more of him.
Unfortunately we won't have him for long unless he looses some bloody weight already. Man's on a collision course for disaster.
@@blunderingfool He may have a pre-existing condition that makes it harder for him to exercise and lose weight/makes it easier for him to gain weight. I'm sure he's aware of his own issues. But otherwise, I do agree with your sentiment. It's important for him to lose some weight and get healthier!
do we tho?
@@blunderingfool that dude is one cheeseburger away from a heart attack tbh.
Why doesn't he open his eyes?
6:56 To pinpoint the footsteps of your enemies with ease, it's generally recommended to not wear your HD800S backwards.
So happy about the airflow pattern optimisation, I’ve been considering similar fan setups for so long, and been annoyed that no reviewers ever seem to consider unorthodox airflow paths like so.
I loved how you headshot Mark Ass Brown Lee back there at 2:50 🖤
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Actually, on the Wooting, your actuation point can be whenever you begin pressing the key down. So when you've pressed the key fully down, let it go and when it's halfway done unpressing press it down again it will register a second time.
This feature is rapid trigger and it's the feature that caused the osu! community to lose their minds for a while.
They talked about this in 9:41 and osu/anime is cringe
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Sounds like a recipe for shaky fingers activating the keys multiple times in one key press.
the suggestion for coaching with that kind of money is unironically great! dedicating time to practice and a coach shows way better dedication than just paying for better hardware and hoping that it'll change how you play!
I feel like we’re finally at a point where even cheap computers are so good, your performance is much more limited by your own personal reaction time, unless you are a super high performing MLG person.
Oh lord, the MLG days 😂
'cheap'
Video cards are more expensive than they've ever been. Why people care so much about winning and trivial stuff is beyond me though, they're...games, they're meant to be fun.
I couldn't imagine ever remotely comparing winning a video game to anything in the real world, including sports.
@@DoubleMonoLR so what make winning in sports any different? It's also a game. It's such a weird mentality that sports which are also games some how get a pass. Yes we pay someone millions to bounce a ball around is somehow accepted but video games? Oh no that for fun only, anyone who thinks of that as competitive is dumb. Like seriously?
@@RexZShadow leave my grandpa alone! he doesnt like modern things and thinks everything is dumb!! Its not his fault!!! xD
Keyboard advice: if you're used to a normal mechanical key's press it's going to be weird using switches that activate with so much less movement - I found the way I used to rest my hand on the keys when not typing/moving in-game would cause my k100 to register a keypress (I had made the switch from cherry reds to the k100's opx switches). It took some getting used to, but now I prefer the quick input.
For anyone who wants 8k polling rate and optical-mechanical switches, but also like full-sized keyboards; the Corsair K100 has both of those feature (it uses the corsair opx optical/mechanical switches and, according to corsair specs, is capable of "Up to 8,000Hz with AXON" - there may be cheaper options, idk; I got mine from microcenter a few years ago before hipsters made 65%'s popular - I think it was right around when corsair released their 65% kb (or maybe it was Razer w/ their 60%?). Other than that, there wasn't a 60-75% on the market for a comparable price)
This is the kind of content I subscribe for, things that are so balls to the walls that it’s never practical, but you always wanted to know what’s like. Kind of similar to cranking the config on a laptop
I’m not sure if you guys wore the headphone backwards on purpose at 6:55, but I know I made that mistake with those headphones when I got them the first month. Man they sound so much better when you wear them right 😂
Lol yeah, turns out having L and R coming out of the corresponding side is pretty important for imaging.
Bump. Because it’s possible they were trolling. But it’s also possible they didn’t realize. 😂
I'm triggered that Linus didn't even use the $1000+ audio setup 🤣
Killed me with that Ned Flanders skiing reference! 😂🤣 Always love how thorough Anthony is when he's hosting a video 💯
nothing at all... nothing at all!
It's always a great day when I get to see Anthony doing his thing.
loved the dry scoop part lmao Linus took it like a champ.
Laughed to tears at "the enemy" and 'gaming powder' moments xD Saved to FAVS. Been a long time since I've seen a 'tech' video that amusing and entertaining) Thank you so very much))
The powder cracked me up
As an owner of the Wooting Two HE that also uses the Lekker Switch like yours do, i want to correct the statement that it is optical switches, they are not, the are hall effect switches (magnet in the steam of the switch and the sensor build into the PCB)
And remember, to keep this system clean, you can't use regular compressed air found usually on an end cap display in best buy, make sure you go into the computer section and get a can of "gaming" compressed air. It's gotta be better. It's more expensive and has the word "gaming" right there on the can.
the best part of linus tech tips is how linus embraces the ability to be funny and have his team troll and roast him. this is entertainment gold.
Not relevant, but I once played a Facebook game (Pirates or something by Plarium) which was pay to play. The people who dominated the game were the people who got out their credit card and purchased all the good boats and pirates. Well I worked out if you sent an attack but quickly double clicked as you sent it, then cancelled your attack immediately, suddenly you had twice the amount of boats and pirates you had before launching the attack. It only took about 5 minutes before you had the strongest force by far and were destroying everything the people with massive credit cards had. I still have the strongest attack rating in that game until this day, I also did it in another game by Plarium, I think it was called Sparta. I got banned from those games pretty quickly, but not before I ruined the days for a few of the pay to play heros, my inbox was flooded pretty quickly by people asking how I did it. Plarium fixed the bug within 24 hours, but the damage I did was vast and extensive. Fun times .
Aren't Plarium the makers of Raid: Shady Legends? The extreme pay-to-win nature would match?
@@alext3811 Yes they are how do you remember that
@@KofolaDealer I remember that they are a literal casino company, and that they made Raid, that's it.
EDIT: Plarium's owners are a casio company, almost remembered it correctly...
14:01 - This is a very true point. It's what causes those weird deaths where you still take damage AFTER breaking line of sight. Beat by someone with better reaction times than you AND they have a monster PC setup. So in some sense frames do win games, but you still need to be good at the game to begin with.
network desync is what causes the line-of-sight break then death.
No taking damage after breaking line of sight is network lag and game state synchronization. But for the rest..
Yes and is also something that will happen a few times in the life of a competitive player ("same time shots": a few ms timespan shots).
So I guess the money is still better spent on anything else. Better internet provider or even performance enhancing drugs to lower the human reaction time, which make the 95% of the latency.
No that’s netcode. Bad ping players sometimes get lag compensation and will be immune to damage. Or their movements sent in larger packets on a delay.
Well considering human reaction times are orders of magnitude longer than the difference between setups. And the network lag is order of magnitude longer as well. Its safe to say that there is 0 impact on gaming.
If you only care about the competitive edge, your setup is far less important than things like diet, focus, exercise etc. You are better off investing time and money into a good diet, meditation and mental wellbeing, and a personal trainer. All of those things will improve your reaction times and your gaming. However if you want to run drop dead gorgeous games and not sacrifice frames, then you might want to invest in a beefy setup. But you will be beaten by 13 year olds playing on a school desktop
@@marsovac overdose on caffeine
4:44
simson refrence when homer goes skiing and sees stupid flanders with his tight jump sute and he accidentally goes down the hardes run while hitting his dong several times on built up snow paches, where he eventually hits a jump, does a flip, while marge is in the main skii area inside, when a clock falls on her leg, braking it
At 11:07: Did Linus just ingest a scoop of cocai---uh, 'performance enhancing' powder?
11:19 illegal powder meme material
That Marques scope bit... Chefs kiss.
That keyboard is really cool. Analog input is definitely very nice. If it had media keys, I would gladly change it as my daily driver.
I just realized because it's programmable and analog, I can make analog media control. I think I finally found the first keyboard I'm willing to spend money on.
@@Asdeer101 did you steal all your previous keyboards?
@@Asdeer101 just need numpad :( Without that i am not buying. I use "calc" too often to abandon it!
@@mechanicalmonk2020 i was thinking the same thing 💀
You can bind some keys as media keys. Perhaps through fn layer if preferred.
(I personally rebound the profile switch keys to media keys, and have the profile switching on the same keys but then with fn instead of without)
13:29 Would be interesting these bar graphs split up to show how much of the total was taken up by which component.
I know some of them would be hard/ almost impossible to quantify accurately but some would not. At the very least it would be possible to show mouse and keyboard input to PC latency and GPU to display latency
Love seeing the wooting keyboard here, great company starting as a Kickstarter. Still sporting the Wooting one 5 years later!!
Just got my wooting 60 HE the other day, and its INCREDIBLE! Can't recommend them enough for games like osu / trackmania.
and they are still updating the firmware and backporting the new features!
I love the G502... It is heavy 😭 On a second note, if someone could make an outer shell or chassis on the MK2 for ergonomics, that would be a grand idea for gamers.
I had an adjustable weight mouse (RAT 9)
and ended up loading all the weights into it because I despised the twitchy handling in anything except an fps shooter which I don't really play online anyway
PMM (piranha mouse mods) do sell lighter though 3D Printed versions of most common Mouses
@@eoinkenny3188 Uhh, I remember the R.A.T. mice.
Had a 5 myself. Was an awesome mouse until I smashed my hand on it. Thanks CSGO for that.
Are they still produced? Maybe I get myself one again.
@@Eruasa They went bankrupt but have since been bought out by another company, so they are available again.
@@ltcuddles685 Sounds good, thanks mate.
It makes me really happy to see options like sennheiser hd800s, re20, wooting and even the mouse m1k which all are my end game goal here, not that it is a surprise but its nice to see that people actually did put some research and probably are just as into this stuff as i am
they even included a sweaty ass router
he wore the 800s backwards though
I do have an HD800 and man, what a headphone. Definitely a keeper if you do get one.
Yeah, I was thinking they'd go for a Logitech or Razer "gaming" headset. Maybe a Sennheiser PC38x, but to actually go for the HD800 S is noice.
The CPU retention bracket, even the chair (Aeron for me personally). If I ever make a modern list of ultimate PC parts, this is extremely close to it.
@Transistor Jump Not necessarily "better" but it is the planar counterpart to what the HD800/800S is capable of. I think it just presents the sound differently than what the HD800S can. A good example of this is the soundstaging. HD800/S is focused on extreme width while the Arya (and other egg-shaped Hifiman headphones) focus on verticality, scale, and "grandness". Depending on what type of presentation you prefer, both are exceptional in what they do best.
my second favorate linus tech man. youre explinations are easy to understand. 10/10
Holy crap this PC specs are going to be the biggest signature on the message board.
😃😃😃😃 such a great comment
You forgot to go for Optane for latency reduction over nand.
I doubt there are many games that do not preload enough to ram for it to be practically irrelevant but it would be in the spirit of the video.
I personally used to put my competitive game of choice on a ramdisk sometimes.
spoiler: it really didnt make a difference tbh
Optane is EOL
@@gucky4717 doesn't change the facts regarding performance. If I had the money to spare I'd buy 4 of the largest p5800x.
I've scooped up what I've been able to at my price range.
and an OLED monitor for response time. Dont know how they whiffed on that one. Hardware unboxed measures response time and OLEDs as you would expect kill any LCD
@@BA-oy9uo How many +240hz oled displays are there?
The Wooting 60HE does NOT have an optical switch like some razor keyboards, the Wooting 60HE has magnetic Lekker switches (from Gateron). This is why actuation can be adjusted via software (b/c they are magnets); this is impossible for optical switches. Hopefully this error can be corrected in the video, Thanks! :)
-Nima
The “these are all legal” scene was TOO good
Awesome vid Anthony! That keyboard blew my mind, i mean the whole build blew my mind but that keyboard is something else! Glad to see Anthony doing his thing! Happy new years to the whole Linus Tech crew!!!
Anthony just hosted it, Adam was the writer. Though it is awesome in itself to see Anthony in front of the camera just reading off a script like Linus does. He's a great host
watching body builders dry scoop pre workout all the time made me forget that it's a terrible idea ^_^" the guy who offered Linus the dry scoop is a hero XD
that recalls how competitive cycling once decided that hardware must fall within certain specs to not give unfair advantage - like wheel sizes or recumbent bikes 😁
Now thats a video that i have been waiting for since 3 years man.
Less go
and oh by the way can u continue the series like does high fps really make u better gamer
when 540hz monitor comes out.
There are 540hz monitors hz monitors already(at least one)
I love the amicable banter between LTT and MKBHD, two of my fav TH-camrs making it!
It would be interesting to see if the asynchronous reprojection idea you featured recently could show differences with those setups.
The Wooting HE is not an “Optical Keyboard” it uses “Hall Effect”, which is what HE stands for. It’s a magnet and a sensor that detects the potential difference across an electrical conductor when the magnet is applied in a perpendicular direction to the flow of the switch current.
I got a WootingOne when it was a kickstarter project. Also bought a WootingTwo that I have kept new, in box. It's a very interesting keyboard and it will probably be strange for me if I were to go back to a normal mechanical keyboard.
Lmaooo dude I’m dying, the Simpsons reference was phenomenal. I remember being a little kid watching that episode and I couldn’t stop laughing.
Flanders: “Feels like your wearing nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all.”
Homer: “D’OH. Stupid sexy Flanders.”
Lmaoo nothing better 😆 amazing reference Anthony, I wish more people would give you props for your phenomenal references. :) that made my day, thank you!
8:15 I have that exact AOC monitor, got in on sale at $175 USD, 144hz and a killer response time
I got a 3 button foot pedal several years ago and using it to crouch open inventory and run in games and taking them off the keyboard and mouse has been amazing. Fingers have much less to do.
Invested in a razer controller for my 360 back in the day because it had six extra mappable buttons, my brain can't use a normal controller anymore. The newest one, the Chroma V2 is so damn comfortable and they use tactile switches for all the buttons so they 'click' like a mouse press (sound and all)
Piano players be like: "Wait, so you're not using pedals normally?"
Average emacs user gets into gaming
When Linus spit out that powder that literally made me laugh out loud. And I'm alone. Getting me to smile is hard enough when I'm alone -- you undoubtedly did something funny when I audibly laugh. Thanks LMG. Have a great night.
Here's to a solid laugh 😄
Linus dry scooping that shit was the best laugh I have had in days.
These kinds of diminishing returns matter for those that are high skilled esports players, but we've always known that to be true.
10:48 bro overclocked linus
Interesting video
and I have to say, really love your voice, so pleasing to listen to you
I kinda want to see a streamer/youtuber that's really good at games to try both setups and see if there's a notable difference.
The whole video idea would be blown up. It is obvious for any person that is educated in this,that if two gamers of equal skill were given this scenario, the one who had the worse system,would definately be handicapped!
The idea of a keyboard like that sounds actually insanely interesting ...
Because it is, it's caused controversy in certain gaming communities because of the advantages it gives you over a normal keyboard.
Analog keyboards are super cool, even just for a "controller-like" movement system while still using mouse and keyboard.
Take competitive shooters out of the equation; even just playing a single player game where you can subtly press a little to walk instead of run can be such an experience booster.
@@Nicholas_Lim I don't see an issue. The switch from ball mice to optical was a bigger difference.
@@OwenDavies83 The issue is something called "rapid trigger" basically it allows for multiple key inputs within the same stroke. ANY upwards movement counts as a release, and ANY downwards movement counts as a press. In rhythm games, or games with frame perfect key inputs, this has a massive impact on accuracy and repeatability. In osu! particularly, some players are able to tap up to 30% faster with this keyboard, as well as avoiding a lot of issues that can cause inconsistencies with other keyboards. If you accidentally half-press a key on any other keyboard, you miss a note, but with the wooting it would still count as normal.
I don't think these are "issues" just advantages, but it's an advantage you can only get with an expensive purchase.
@@faranocks Interesting. Wouldn't capacitive touch devices have a similar advantage as well tho? Or at very well calibrated one.
After I change the monitor from 60hz to 144hz, I became better at COD and Overwatch. Playing at 140FPS is a great experience and really impacts in my performance on COD
Does moving from 60 hz to 144 make a big difference, I'm getting a pc later during the year and I wanna know
that wooting is kind of pay to win for a certain rhythm game..
Just nitpicking but the wooting has a faster response option called "Tachyon" mode, also it was said it is optical but it actually uses hall effect sensors.
Edit: I had though I had heard that Tachyon increase polling rat but it is still 1khz
I thought tachyon mode was 1k polling rate
It's not 8khz polling? Where did you get this pure misinformation from? It's still 1khz, but the scan time goes to 1ms at all times. The latency is reduced. The polling rate isn't increased.
02:00 dude! You have an extreme strong sound
PS/2 can have lower latency because it polls the computer, instead of the computer polling it.
Yes, but Ben Eater has shown, that ps2 needs more time to transport the informatiom than usb 2.0. With newer usb standards it gets more complicated.
@@soveu8237 the solution? develop the fabled "PS/3" standard.
(just joking guys dont worry)
@@arekrekas213 If IBM came back with Personal System 3 I'd be astounded. Although wouldn't that have just been Warp 4?
I'm assuming you meant to say it has a lower latency because it just interrupts the computer, like a chad
I’m glad to see they built this monster inside the Fractal Torrent 😆. Definitely best airflow case on the market at the moment, and really good looking for a Fractal case
fractals designs are the new, actually functional, zalman of the past. really living in the best timeline rn for airflow
@@verafeiyd New? I've had the same Fractal case for over a decade.
Anthonyyyyyyyyy!
What's up!
I've been wondering about analogue keyboards for years. Might have to look into them.
I think a CS:go pro would demonstrate and feel the difference between these two pcs much better. Also the shape of the mouse is definitely a much bigger factor in your performance if you are not used to it.
While there could be some difference between the 2 systems, I think for the pros the setup which was more close to their personal peripherals would perform better, like the shape of the mouse, mousemat material, maybe even the switches in the keyboard.. few milliseconds here and there wouldnt be the difference maker.
Hey! Great video! As a suggestion, it would be really cool to see like a part 2 of this video where real competitive gamers try out the Tryhard PC. It would be cool to see, especially if you are able to find gamers that use more "average" systems for competitive shooter games, and aren't able to experience this level of responsiveness in games.
Anthony was like a actor from movie "Hackers"! "Theory crafting" elements was the best part of this video.
I'd like to see him in Hackers II !
YES! a more compréhensive way to relativize human related performance and hardware.. you should make the test on a larger numbers of players (like the one you did with the screens)
Dude, tryhard systems like the one in the video only matters for people who reached pro levels of performance. The average joe doesnt need this. Its just waste of money if you think you will win more having a system like that.
The answer to this question is simple, it does nothing.
Speed runners using 3-4 decade old original hardware have been competing with modern gaming setups on the leader boards and time and time again their shows no significant advantage between the two, if pooling rates, mouse weight, and travel times were relevant then speed runners would be raving about how they improved their times with new hardware and that world record typists got more words per minute on the latest keyboard.
Hey LMG Team what about the most power efficient gaming PC for the most used resolutions according to steam. I always wondered if a better gpu and cpu if capped to a certain frame rate would be worth it.
imagine an undervolted rx 6600 that would be insane performance per watt
2:23 Wouldn't Intel Optane drives be slightly better for the lowest latency gaming PC?
Haha nice! Honestly the reason he played bad and lost was because you missed the fastest ram! The DDR5-7800 CL36, is faster than the DDR5-7200 CL34 by 0.213ns! Swap this and enjoy the 100% winrate!
I can confirm after my pc upgrade i did not get better at anything. The real trade off are the graphics and how much better 144fps is than 60.
I can’t tell the difference, I have a 165hz monitor and run most games including racing games locked at half that with higher quality and better consistency.
@@oxfordsparky 80-100fps for anything else than competitive is totally smooth enough. As long as it's running 90fps, I'm happy
No point in locking framerates to anything less than your monitors capability though, there absolutely is a noticeable difference between 80 and 160
@@ZenTunE- I cap the frame rate for better frame pacing, a locked 83fps feels a lot better than jumping around between 90fps and 150fps.
I also used to run at a locked 165fps and then changed to 144fps by lowering the visuals and I can’t feel the slightest difference in smoothness from either of them compared to my current 83fps.
@@oxfordsparky i have a 144hz monitor with 165hz oc. I dont even use it on 165hz cause i cant feel the difference.
@@ZenTunE- only game where i felt 300 fps makes me better than 100fps is csgo. Thats about it.
6:31 overclocking a foot pedal is not something I ever expected to be even possible
you didn't chose the best audio interface latency-wise. it would be best to chose one with asio audio support, because windows audio adds soooooooooo much latency. Something like a Motu M2, where you can adjust the sample rate and buffer size for lowest latency. The Motu M2 also has a "use lowest latency safety offsets" setting for maximum latency reduction.
I actually noticed a difference in my offset time in rythm games with windows audio and the asio drivers.
The Skypad 2.0 is literally the best mousepad I've ever used and it last an eternity, so yeah that one's definitely a recommendation(allthough very difficult to use, when you are used to it it is amazing)
Better off with an artisan pad. Impeccable quality, also last a lifetime and no glass. Unless you want glass, artisan has a pad for that too
@@macberg5806 shidenkai is discontinued. also artisan rly doesn't last that long, my hien has a ton of dead spots after 2 years. artisan themselves recommend u swap pads every few months. but they are going to be coming out with a new series where the surface is removable so u just buy a base and then replace the surface without having to buy a new pad. still won't be as cost effective over time as a skypad but it's an improvement.