+Panzer_Z Strippin wouldn't need to die his hair. Saiyans have naturally black/dark hair (Vegeeta included). It only changes temporarily when the go super-saiyan.
Cho'gall is actually more than just a "joke" blizzard did in 2004 - he's in the lore and he's also a boss in one of the raid instances. So it's kind of neat to have another "villain" character enter the game. The thing that makes him even more awesome is that 2 players can control him.
+Kayla Teets (Kyrae Jenkins) The whole "joke" was they were going to add Two-headed Ogres as a playable race to WoW, Cho'gall wasn't even mentioned origionally.
9:00 The thing about Warlords of Draenor is that instead of it having 3 raid tiers like most other expansions had, there were only 2, so for example, Mists of Pandaria lasted a bit longer than WoD is supposed to last, but it had more content overall, so as WoD only had garrison content and a few raids, most of the other expansions had more max level world content, quests, dungeons, and even more raids. In simple terms WoD was a "quality of life" expansion, because it didn't add a lot of gameplay, but it did add a lot of upgrades to old systems (which had to happen at some point)
+LouTalksAnime Quick question! Judging by your TH-cam name, I sense that you know a lot about animoo and I'm wondering what anime's you recommend. The anime TV shows I'm currently watching/watched are Naruto, Full Metal Alchemist (the original), Hamtaros: Little Hamsters Big Adventures, and Pokemon: The Indigo League. The movies I've seen are My Neighbor Totoro, and some of Ponyo. (Can you recommend TV-14/PG-13 and under animoo's plz)
13:29 Although initially I took the pay once model very well and it gain faith in me much like Dodger that things might be more straightforward. We have never EVER had it confirmed that we will NEVER have to buy heroes! Only that the heroes at LAUNCH will not have to be purchased and come with the game. Suspicion was raised over how specific this comment was to heroes at LAUNCH and whether we will have to pay in future. The question was dodged by Blizz. r/overwatch then went mad saying does this imply we might have to buy heroes in the future. Blizzard have failed to respond to reddit swirling in negativity and people denouncing the game. This issue is still hanging but personally I know and trust Blizzard to do the right thing. I think it's important that people know this so it can be part of their considerations on placing a preorder- which basicly gains you nothing anyways and should be a discouraged practice. thxs for reading :P
+TheCookieFlavaJAR I think Blizzard is the wrong company to trust, don't forget they are still a part of Activision. Don't forget diablo 3, the auction house and no proper pvp, which WAS promised. Don't forget the ridiculous prices of heroes and skins in Heroes of the Storm. I love the games Blizzard comes out with, I hate their business practices.
+TheCookieFlavaJAR blizzard have they'r head far up they'r ass, they think they can do no wrong and they're allways right and we the playerbase are a bunch of morons that dont know what they want, trusting blizzard is a stupid thing to do nowadays, they just make hollow promisses and deliver nothing while they dig into our pockets and run with our money, and have you forgotten? after wow got announced 3M sub losses and all players crying out the lack of content what happens a few days later? NEW STORE MOUNT! Blizzard may put out good games but businesswise they're no better than EA, at least with EA we know they're evil, but Blizzard lies to our faces playing the good guy
+TheCookieFlavaJAR Dodger is happy about the idea of not having the purchase heroes, but opting to pay extra for cosmetics. I absolutely hate that and am pretty convinced that there is no business reason why Blizzard will not charge extra for cosmetics. I've paid a lot of money in cosmetics on f2p games which I enjoy. Don't do sell me Oblivion then charge me for horse armor.
narsil1984 I am not referring however to the quality of game, but to the quality of business model. I love their games, I hate their business practices. You won't get all content for 40 bucks with Overwatch, if they do offer this, which I highly doubt they won't have micro transactions, then I'd be happy. Concerning Diablo 3, one of the biggest selling points for me was PvP, which I had tried at blizzcon and was promised in their posts, advertising, etc. They didn't deliver. Even now the PvP they have is a poor excuse and a sad attempt to cover up their BS.
narsil1984 Bad ideas? Misjudge? I played the PvP at blizzcon, they could have released it as it was and it would have been amazing. They had done great things with it. I was expecting what I got and then some, I was expecting more out of the game, not a different game. The fact that they fixed the game with a couple updates and then an expansion is not good enough. I had no interest in giving them more money for the Diablo franchise after playing the base game of Diablo 3. The best business practices in the industry isn't that great when the industry's business practices are getting worse and worse. Standard business practice is completely awful. We simply don't know what we are getting for the 40$ as the game isn't out yet. Claiming players will get all characters is unfair as they could very well still charge extra for additional characters. It's unlikely, but still. Blizzard wasn't always part of activision, the industry standard hasn't always been so awful. I truly believe Blizzard is moving in an undesirable direction with their business practices. I WANT them to prove me wrong, but for now I refuse to spend 40$ pre-ordering a game which has too many questions surrounding it, at least for me. I'll consider buying it again once I know more.
+Abe Two game modes, actually, capture control points and payload. At least right now. They're currently "experimenting" with other game modes behind closed doors. They tried stuff like capture the flag but realized that with characters like Tracer running around, CTF is just impossible to make fun and balanced at the same time.
+Havek Isn't your point really that it's good that the game is pay up front? You point out how micro transactions for game content is bad, and that is exactly why Blizzard isn't going that route and it's pay up front instead, right? And i don't know if you should feel milked with micro transactions for cosmetics. That is, after all, completely optional. No one will _need_ to pay for that to enjoy the game just as much as anybody else.
I probably don't speak for all WoW players, but the general feeling is that we don't want short expansions, we want more content patches or more content within an expansion so we don't end up with a year with no new content at the end of an expansion
Exactly this, we don't care how long the expansion runs for, so long as we aren't left without content for a year before the next expac releases. The siege of orgrimmar patch lasted, iirc,14 months before WoD dropped and that's exactly what we DON'T want to happen ever. An expansion could last for 4 years for all I care, as long as content isn't left to stagnate and become stale.
+Telleryn couldn't have said it better myself. thats why i left, i was a more casual player during cata and mists, so the fact that the last patch lasted 14 months was annoying. like, Siege was a bad raid after a while.
+huldu Yeah, selfie cameras are content, right? Right? Twitter function? Guys? We got more facebook games at the shipyard? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE PLAYERBASE WHY WONT THEY LOVE OUR CONTENT
+huldu Dunno if you tried to be sarcastic, but Blizzard is well aware that WoD turned out to be poor with content. They saw the problem before 6.2 came out but wasn't able to change it in time for the patch because it as so deep down in the development. Which is also why the WoD systems were scrapped in favor for the new systems in Legion.
For WoW, WotLK lasted fooooorever, but was very well received. The last tier of raiding lasted a YEAR. A lot of people were apathetic about Cata and Pandaria and WoD was supposed to be this huge epic deal, especially because so many people loved Burning Crusade and WoD brought us back into that world in a new way... and it fell flat so fast. People are frustrated by Legion's release being delayed so long because WoD has only been out a year now and it's been a disappointment for most of that time for a lot of people. Obviously it's unrealistic to expect them to pump out a new amazing expac in so little time, but it is frustrating to have to wait for almost a whole year for something new, especially for those of us who left in WoD and are just waaaaiting for Legion to renew our faith so we can play again.
+The Ladydork the problem isnt wod launch being shit, is the launch being shit and blizzard just jumping from the ship and running away with our money, and leaving us in the cold without any content at all for the expac we paid and the sub we paid for that should guarantee us content to play, they then even have the balls to say that they will fix everything on next expac after we pay them 50$ more
+Alonso PC But allso the playerbase will be probably will be cut in half. They allso saied that new characters and skins will be microtransactions. Atleast thats what i read on 3 diffrent sites...
+Alonso PC Decimates the playerbase and destroys the possibility of it gaining any esports ground, which lowers the playerbase even more.. this dwindling playerbase will cause more people to leave, causing a downward spiral. Unless they move to F2P pretty soon after release, the game is dead.
What i really like about Dodger is the fact that in every singel video you can see how much she loves games and how excited she gets talking about them.
the dev actually said that you will get every character they have announced "so far", which suggests that they are going to release more later and probably charge for the new ones.
+Ghostly One i think that over the years everyone came up with their own version of a Warcraft movie and now the official one is messing with their "head cannon" so to speak.
Here how I see it, Blizzard really did themselves a disservice by releasing this trailer same day as Legion cinematic. So you have the Legion cinematic which show Blizzard have the capabilities to CGI human and they did delivered (it look fucking awesome) then you have Warcraft which look Medicare at best.
Warlords was released 1 year ago. Legion is released 1 year from now. Blizz announced that there would be no more content for Warlords a few months ago - meaning 1 full year of "nothing new to do", and only 2 major raids. Mists of Pandaria had the same issue, last major patch was 1 year before Warlords - but it did have 4 raids during its time. So, yes. The big problem is "less content" (or the appearance of less content) in Warlords compared to Mists.
I clicked at the annotation..but there was no Coffeh :( Nah its ok, you already told us that it wont be a regular show anymore and i totally respect that...i just miss it at times.
The reason people want and expected the WoW xpac sooner, was because blizzard has released ONE major patch and content update and have no plans to release any more until legion which is far below any other xpac even if they did release a zone. People thought and blizzard has said that they wanted to go on yearly release cycles for xpacs. This would make the lack of new content somewhat forgivable.
Overwatch retail price comes with "all current 21 heroes". So they still could add those heroes as either DLC or new expansions. Just seems weird with their wording...
I used to play League of Legends a long time ago but I've given it up since. I had zero intention of even trying Heroes of The Storm until I saw this video. So thank you for changing my opinion. And also, nice hair.
13:30 - Correction: They said that every one will be getting the current 21 characters. They never promised anything for future characters, but said that they have no plans to add more characters. IMO, they mght do an expansion years down the line.
My main worry with Overwatch is how that retail price translates over seas. Is it going to end up being 40 euro? and then the GBP price is based off of that, thus being more expensive? Also whether or not it'll have some skins or customization options just sort of built in WITH original purchase, or will ALL of that stuff be exclusively extra content? Not to mention the going the TF2 route of having millions of boxes that you need paid for keys to open...
I always hate the 1-1 USD to EUR conversion rate, as that's not at all how that works out.... For some reason Europe just has to pay WAY more for games and consoles than America :(
+MozilloGames You do realize they probably have to ship a lot of stuff over there. I'm not saying it justifies all of it but it's probably taken into account. There's also the matter that a lot of EU players don't buy english games, they have to translate them, which also costs money. The 1-1 doesn't make sense when you ignore a lot of factors.
+Benoit Audet Then they should factor the shipping cost into the retail version of the game, and leave the digital download at the equivalent $40 price. As far as I'm aware, there's only one version of the game, with multiple language options. That's the way most Blizz games are. I play SC2 in Italian, for example. That cost is already factored in to the base $40 game.
+MozilloGames Current EU battle net prices have the Standard edition at 40 Euroes with the Special edition at 60 Euros. So the Blizzard shop prices carry over 1-1, which means its likely to be the same box price.
I did some OverWatch beta. I used to be a ginormous TF2 fan, but moved in. OW looks great and the sheer variety of character playstyles hooked me. I'm down for a B2P model. I don't care about cash shops, as long as it's not p2w of course.
Now for something completely off topic to the video, if I could choose Dodgers next hair color I would choose Green because it's the best color ever, just my 2 cents...I'll go now.
Great show dodger ! I am a Warcraft fan boy so I lost my mind at the trailer and while it does seem a tad awkward ( the scaling of orcs compared to humans ) I'm still out of my mind excited . Overall this was a very epic blizzcon in my opinion and I don't think the expansions are coming out to slowly for wow - the loudest complainers are the die hards that sink all their time into it . The medium to casual players or like me who have 3 or 4 games I play not just wow - there is more than enough content to keep us busy . Keep up the awesome work
there is also going to be a tracer hero in HOTS , if you buy the more expensive overwatch you get more digital goodies. and the Tracer hero being one of those additional content.
Legion doesn't come out in the 21st. It was the LAST date it could possibly come out, but in the trailer, it says "Summer 2016" so it comes out next summer
You forgot about Hearthstone Dodger. Are you saying that Blizzard said nothing about Hearthstone all weekend? Well I guess I can go look for News about Hearthstone on the internet.
+Evil Power There's a new PvE adventure arriving this Thursday (November 12, 2015 for those reading this at some future date) called "The League of Explorers". Yes, the different "wings" can be bought separately, and yes, they can be bought with in-game gold. No, there won't be a special card back or other pre-order bonus, so there's no rush to buy it.
Dont get the whole being annoyed about overwatch costing money thing. Its a game guys, it costs money to produce. I agree with your stance Dodger, i have no problem buying the game and having everything and then buying skins if i want.
Volbla I am fine with multiplayer only games with a lot of content... which overwatch currently doesn't have. Compare it with other f2p multiplayer only games like Smite and it doesn't even have half the amount of content. They are also basically guaranteed to add micro transactions. Why are people okay with aesthetic micro-transactions now? Have publishers really brainwashed so successfully? If it were f2p I wouldn't care about micro transactions... they need to make money, but they have a base price on overwatch, micro-transactions are just there for greed.
+ACRCTsual You're comparing an unfinished game with a finished one. Overwatch is still in beta. Its not done yet. And people are ok with aesthetic micro transactions because they are exactly that. Aesthetics. They don't impact the game or give an advantage in any way so people aren't really gonna care all that much about em. Beside, they're not just there for greed. They intend to continue to develop the game post launch. Box sales aren't going to carry that for years to come unfortunately.
Kevin Ryan And if and when they do have a more complete game that actually seems to be worth the price, then I will buy it. This is the problem with pre-ordering. What I am saying is right now, I think it's absurd to ask 40$ + for Overwatch. They could do full blown expansions to extend the life of the game instead of over priced aesthetics.
Yeah, I think that there might also be a problem that a lot of people won't buy the game because of its price, so there won't be a lot of players which means that there will be no community like there is in TF2. And if a multiplayer only game doesnt have a growing community it will die pretty quickly.
Grandiose Gambit Nah Overwatch will do just fine. It's a friggin blizzard game that people are loving to death right now. Putting a price on the box won't hamper it in the slightest I don't think. Also, keep in mind TF2 only JUST went F2P a couple years ago. It also had a box price to begin with
the issue with people saying that the release date is too far away is because there will be no more content patches for Warlords of Draenor or WoW at all till Legion drops. Theres barely enough to do at the moment; let alone for almost another year. :(
The "Release date" is stated to be "on or before September 21, 2016." This means it will at the latest be released at this date. The problem with Warlords of Draenor is that Blizzard wanted to release expansions faster and cut content (a lot of content) but now they have nothing left to release...
A lot of fans didn't like Warlords because they thought it was just a filler and it didn't really connect to the other expansion or expand on the current lore (they went back unlike in Legion where they are going forward). A lot of people who played the Warcraft games liked Burning Crusade, so they'll like Legion. As for Overwatch... Any hardcore Blizz fan will get it because it is their newest franchise in 10 years (Heroes doesn't count since it took characters from their other games). Personally with all of the characters included, $40 isn't that bad for a Blizz game since every WoW expansion is around $50. As long as they don't get crazy with cosmetics and specialty boxes it's a good deal.
well, the biggest reason people are saying September is way too much of a wait, is because they didn't make a patch 6.3 (we did get a 6.2.3 but... thats barely anything) so yeah, many people are unsubbing to play other games in the meantime ofc, but that might pressure blizz to rush the game out. which will surely be much worse then waiting this long, lets really hope blizz keep their cool and release a full-fledged game
What I think is going to happen with Overwatch is that after an initial period where the game goes for full retail, they'll shift to a f2p model either fully like in tf2, or HotS, where unless you pay retail, you only have access to a limited rotating roster. It'll probably happen after the initial hype dies down and their player base needs a shot in the arm.
The date you gave for Legion release is a placeholder date. They have to put some kind of date on a product in order to sell it to people. it is going to be out "ON OR BEFORE Sept 21 2016" They do this every time and it always comes out months before that deadline.
The funny thing about Blizz is that they tried to cut WoD shorter in order to make Legion come out faster - but in the end the longer WoD would have lasted (another Raid, some dungeons, maybe a smaller zone) the more overall content there would have been to catch up to once the rest of Draenor got boring, meaning they could take longer to release Legion, since players had more goofy shit to do, like factions, achievements, etc. Cutting it this short left us with a huge void of content, the few fractions we have are either uninteresting and/or grindfests. So players get pretty pissed off by this and don't want to wait another 6 to 9 months for Legion.
in regards to WoW expansions, WoD was a very short expansion, and we only got 2 content patches, only one of them actually added a large amount of content... in the form of daily quests, and we only got 3 raids....3 raids...
For what it's worth, they said it'll be out BY September. They're shooting for Summer but had to give themselves some sort of "at the latest" date to cover their asses.
One thing I have seen talked about is the fact that the movie is not a World or Warcraft movie, it is a Warcraft movie so the movie more follows the law of the original Warcraft games instead of the slightly altered World of Warcraft game law that deviates in places from the original.
I would recommend watching the Warcraft movie trailer on a bigger screen like a tv. I saw it on my computer and wasn't all that impressed, but on my tv it seems to fit so much better. Try it and comment back on here if you think it makes a difference.
They dodged the Overwatch questions again in the last interview. They "reassured us" that the "current 21" heroes will never cost anything, they come with the box. They also said they don't "currently plan" to make new heroes. But not once did they ever tell us that they will never charge for new heroes post-launch. That is all we want to know, and they refuse to answer us. "We don't plan to right now." and "We don't know." just aren't acceptable answers.
I appreciate the lack of giant shoulders personally. As funny as they are, giant shoulder armor pieces are kinda impractical since they mean you can't lift your arm up high enough to swing a broadsword without smacking your head with your armor.
I feel like the Warcraft trailer really hit something similar to the uncanny valley for me. Something just felt inherently off about the looks and feel of things.
The issue isn't the rate of expansions, but the lack of content added in them on top of massive miscommunications as to what the content was said to be.
The Sep 21 release date for Legion is just the ultimate latest date btw, more likely it will come out in June-August, most likely shortly after the Warcraft movie.
Yeah, the main thing that people are angry about with the new WoW expansion being out later is because of the lack of content being added to the game now. We got the most recent raid patch in june and if the expansion releases in september of next year then we will have to do the same raid and pieces of content for almost a year and a half. 6.2 (the newest patch) absolutely does not have enough content to keep the players occupied for 15 months. So it's not "release the new expansion sooner" as much as it is "you left the current expansion in a state that doesn't give us enough to do."
The problem with Warlords is that there wasn't enough content in it. If they put out an expansion once every 2 years, that's fine. But if they aren't putting out frequent content patches for those expansions then there is a problem.
Erm Dodger about your left eyebrow, did you cut it intentionally? I wanna try that because mine is thick and a part of it starts falling very easily lol.
September 21st isn't the release date, it's just the latest it will be released so we have some kind of time frame. For instance Starcraft 2: LotV's tentative release was March 2016, but of course it's coming out on 10th November 2015, a full 4 months prior to the place holder date. WoD had the same thing, but was released 1 month prior as well. It's more of a "If shit hits the fan, then this will be when it comes out" date, otherwise, it's expected to release earlier. The reason people are getting really upset about it is because they always fear the worst, instead of sitting back and just waiting to see what will happen when we get into the beta. It doesn't help that WoD is awful though, I don't think most players (including me) can wait until September for new stuff.
I figured that there'd be a price tag on Overwatch, and I'm actually quite pleased that it's a straightforward, one-and-done transaction. ((Hopefully, that'll be the only transaction necessary.)) The animated shorts sound like a lot of fun too.
I'm really excited to see Travis Fimmel in Warcraft, I really loved him in Vikings. Dodger, if you have time in between all the anime, watch Vikings. It's FANTASTIC!
As a player of wow, I find that most people don't do everything there is to do. There is a TON of stuff to do, yet many people focus on either raiding or pvp. Once the raid stop coming, it is inevitable for the players to want more. Personally I do neither one of the "classic" endgame content, but rather opt to casually farm gold and RP
Overwatch's business model makes me happy, as it's something that I was hoping would be that way just for sake of being a good example to the rest of the games industry, but at the same time I don't have the dough on me right now for that.
People don't mind the expansion gap, we get it everytime. Its because Blizzard stated they were going to stop it by having yearly expansions - But oh wait, here we are again with a potential *15 months* without content. The last content gap was only 13.
The only problem I have with Overwatch's price is why are the console versions much more expensive then the PC version, seems like all you get in the origins edition you get some skins and stuff for other Blizzard games, which if like me your a console player you probably don't play there other IPs.
"This is going to be all Blizzcon news."
"I'm out."
Then I stayed for the whole video.
23 months between WoW expansions doesn't seem short.
Hm Dodger looks different. I can't quite put my finger on it but something's changed.
Agreed. Something feels a hair out of place. if I don't figure it out I will probably dye.
+LouTalksAnime +6.9 internet points.
+LouTalksAnime
Urgot to be kidding me.
+Spooder Adem -IGN
+Megadoomface I think it is her glasses.
Yup Totally the glasses.
Strippin is like.... "I guess this makes me Vegeta? I am okay with this."
inverted height though lol
+LouTalksAnime lol what are you talking about Bulma was around the same height, maybe a bit taller.
Strippin is a freakin giant to Dooger
+N.Might Slapallama guessing to make it right he needs to go spiky bleached blonde and in every video/stream scream "Kakarot!" at least once
+Panzer_Z Strippin wouldn't need to die his hair. Saiyans have naturally black/dark hair (Vegeeta included). It only changes temporarily when the go super-saiyan.
Crit - C well if Dodger is going to dye her hair it's only fair that Strippin does it too
Cho'gall is actually more than just a "joke" blizzard did in 2004 - he's in the lore and he's also a boss in one of the raid instances. So it's kind of neat to have another "villain" character enter the game. The thing that makes him even more awesome is that 2 players can control him.
+Kayla Teets (Kyrae Jenkins) Pretty sure the context of the joke is the two players controlling one guy or something
Ah okay :) thanks :D
+Kayla Teets (Kyrae Jenkins) Yes.....let your inner nerd come to life!
+Kayla Teets (Kyrae Jenkins) The whole "joke" was they were going to add Two-headed Ogres as a playable race to WoW, Cho'gall wasn't even mentioned origionally.
+Sven Van Dyck that sounds easy enough since my guildies and I play all of the blizzard games together ☺
9:00 The thing about Warlords of Draenor is that instead of it having 3 raid tiers like most other expansions had, there were only 2, so for example, Mists of Pandaria lasted a bit longer than WoD is supposed to last, but it had more content overall, so as WoD only had garrison content and a few raids, most of the other expansions had more max level world content, quests, dungeons, and even more raids. In simple terms WoD was a "quality of life" expansion, because it didn't add a lot of gameplay, but it did add a lot of upgrades to old systems (which had to happen at some point)
Holy crap, our little Dooger is hella close to 700k. Wonder if she'll get there before the year is up.
+LouTalksAnime Quick question! Judging by your TH-cam name, I sense that you know a lot about animoo and I'm wondering what anime's you recommend. The anime TV shows I'm currently watching/watched are Naruto, Full Metal Alchemist (the original), Hamtaros: Little Hamsters Big Adventures, and Pokemon: The Indigo League. The movies I've seen are My Neighbor Totoro, and some of Ponyo. (Can you recommend TV-14/PG-13 and under animoo's plz)
LouTalksAnime Thank you! This helps a lot!
+LouTalksAnime what i want to know is why she hasn't reached the millions yet! :O
13:29 Although initially I took the pay once model very well and it gain faith in me much like Dodger that things might be more straightforward. We have never EVER had it confirmed that we will NEVER have to buy heroes! Only that the heroes at LAUNCH will not have to be purchased and come with the game. Suspicion was raised over how specific this comment was to heroes at LAUNCH and whether we will have to pay in future. The question was dodged by Blizz. r/overwatch then went mad saying does this imply we might have to buy heroes in the future. Blizzard have failed to respond to reddit swirling in negativity and people denouncing the game. This issue is still hanging but personally I know and trust Blizzard to do the right thing. I think it's important that people know this so it can be part of their considerations on placing a preorder- which basicly gains you nothing anyways and should be a discouraged practice. thxs for reading :P
+TheCookieFlavaJAR I think Blizzard is the wrong company to trust, don't forget they are still a part of Activision. Don't forget diablo 3, the auction house and no proper pvp, which WAS promised. Don't forget the ridiculous prices of heroes and skins in Heroes of the Storm. I love the games Blizzard comes out with, I hate their business practices.
+TheCookieFlavaJAR blizzard have they'r head far up they'r ass, they think they can do no wrong and they're allways right and we the playerbase are a bunch of morons that dont know what they want, trusting blizzard is a stupid thing to do nowadays, they just make hollow promisses and deliver nothing while they dig into our pockets and run with our money, and have you forgotten? after wow got announced 3M sub losses and all players crying out the lack of content what happens a few days later? NEW STORE MOUNT! Blizzard may put out good games but businesswise they're no better than EA, at least with EA we know they're evil, but Blizzard lies to our faces playing the good guy
+TheCookieFlavaJAR Dodger is happy about the idea of not having the purchase heroes, but opting to pay extra for cosmetics. I absolutely hate that and am pretty convinced that there is no business reason why Blizzard will not charge extra for cosmetics. I've paid a lot of money in cosmetics on f2p games which I enjoy.
Don't do sell me Oblivion then charge me for horse armor.
narsil1984 I am not referring however to the quality of game, but to the quality of business model. I love their games, I hate their business practices. You won't get all content for 40 bucks with Overwatch, if they do offer this, which I highly doubt they won't have micro transactions, then I'd be happy.
Concerning Diablo 3, one of the biggest selling points for me was PvP, which I had tried at blizzcon and was promised in their posts, advertising, etc. They didn't deliver. Even now the PvP they have is a poor excuse and a sad attempt to cover up their BS.
narsil1984 Bad ideas? Misjudge? I played the PvP at blizzcon, they could have released it as it was and it would have been amazing. They had done great things with it. I was expecting what I got and then some, I was expecting more out of the game, not a different game. The fact that they fixed the game with a couple updates and then an expansion is not good enough. I had no interest in giving them more money for the Diablo franchise after playing the base game of Diablo 3.
The best business practices in the industry isn't that great when the industry's business practices are getting worse and worse. Standard business practice is completely awful.
We simply don't know what we are getting for the 40$ as the game isn't out yet. Claiming players will get all characters is unfair as they could very well still charge extra for additional characters. It's unlikely, but still. Blizzard wasn't always part of activision, the industry standard hasn't always been so awful. I truly believe Blizzard is moving in an undesirable direction with their business practices. I WANT them to prove me wrong, but for now I refuse to spend 40$ pre-ordering a game which has too many questions surrounding it, at least for me. I'll consider buying it again once I know more.
_Hi this is Bulma and you're watching Dragon Ball!_
The Bulma transformation is nearly complete. This isn't even her final form!
I'm super okay with Overwatch not being F2P. It's not even that expensive compared to most of the big games coming out right now.
+ACRCTsual there's only one game mode wtf? Man yeah that is expensive coming from someone who bought Taken King
+Abe Two game modes, actually, capture control points and payload. At least right now. They're currently "experimenting" with other game modes behind closed doors. They tried stuff like capture the flag but realized that with characters like Tracer running around, CTF is just impossible to make fun and balanced at the same time.
+Sven Van Dyck What's nice is unlike Lawful Evil EA, they're not charging full price for a game that's multiplayer only.
+ACRCTsual I would guess that there'll be some more content, at least more maps, before the game actually launches.
+Havek Isn't your point really that it's good that the game is pay up front? You point out how micro transactions for game content is bad, and that is exactly why Blizzard isn't going that route and it's pay up front instead, right?
And i don't know if you should feel milked with micro transactions for cosmetics. That is, after all, completely optional. No one will _need_ to pay for that to enjoy the game just as much as anybody else.
What happened to your left eyebrow?
+necropig Follow her Twitter.
+necropig She fought a bear that broke into the office and saved everyone.
+Sigh Watson Not everyone has twitter, you know..
She got into a knife fight with a bunch of pirates.
+Sigh Watson I couldn't find anything on her twitter
Yay! I've been waiting for Dodger, Jesse or TB to make a video talking bout the Overwatch pricing.
I probably don't speak for all WoW players, but the general feeling is that we don't want short expansions, we want more content patches or more content within an expansion so we don't end up with a year with no new content at the end of an expansion
Exactly this, we don't care how long the expansion runs for, so long as we aren't left without content for a year before the next expac releases. The siege of orgrimmar patch lasted, iirc,14 months before WoD dropped and that's exactly what we DON'T want to happen ever. An expansion could last for 4 years for all I care, as long as content isn't left to stagnate and become stale.
+Telleryn couldn't have said it better myself. thats why i left, i was a more casual player during cata and mists, so the fact that the last patch lasted 14 months was annoying. like, Siege was a bad raid after a while.
NOT enough content in WOD, plus WOD came out very fast, so we adjusted to the pace. then we got nothing..
+3Katapa yeah came out fast, waiting 14 months of SoO is fast, aaaaa right!
+3Katapa According to Blizzard there is more than enough content in WoD. It's the players at fault, like always. Kappa
+huldu Yeah, selfie cameras are content, right? Right? Twitter function? Guys? We got more facebook games at the shipyard? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE PLAYERBASE WHY WONT THEY LOVE OUR CONTENT
TheFomkin the selfie camera was a plus from some people inside blizzard that did in their OFF WORK, so dont complain about what you dont know
+huldu Dunno if you tried to be sarcastic, but Blizzard is well aware that WoD turned out to be poor with content. They saw the problem before 6.2 came out but wasn't able to change it in time for the patch because it as so deep down in the development. Which is also why the WoD systems were scrapped in favor for the new systems in Legion.
For WoW, WotLK lasted fooooorever, but was very well received. The last tier of raiding lasted a YEAR. A lot of people were apathetic about Cata and Pandaria and WoD was supposed to be this huge epic deal, especially because so many people loved Burning Crusade and WoD brought us back into that world in a new way... and it fell flat so fast. People are frustrated by Legion's release being delayed so long because WoD has only been out a year now and it's been a disappointment for most of that time for a lot of people. Obviously it's unrealistic to expect them to pump out a new amazing expac in so little time, but it is frustrating to have to wait for almost a whole year for something new, especially for those of us who left in WoD and are just waaaaiting for Legion to renew our faith so we can play again.
+The Ladydork hell tons of people are still playing WotLK in private servers!
+The Ladydork this is why they also announced they are no longer reporting sub numbers
+The Ladydork the problem isnt wod launch being shit, is the launch being shit and blizzard just jumping from the ship and running away with our money, and leaving us in the cold without any content at all for the expac we paid and the sub we paid for that should guarantee us content to play, they then even have the balls to say that they will fix everything on next expac after we pay them 50$ more
+The Ladydork
Stop playing the game, WoW died with WotLK. Killing Arthas tied up the story, the rest is sucking money out of idiots.
Your hair is amazeballs!! Aw man I miss dying my hair crazy colours. Also that opening animation is fantastic lol. Just fantastic.
I had to watch this twice bc I was so in love with your hair that I forgot to pay attention. It looks sO GOOD
i think overwatch being buy to play is good in the sense that it will have a lot less toxic players, and thats a big plus
Probably fewer hackers too!
+Alonso PC But allso the playerbase will be probably will be cut in half. They allso saied that new characters and skins will be microtransactions. Atleast thats what i read on 3 diffrent sites...
+Alonso PC it would be okay if it didnt have microtransactions and (probably) dlc heroes... thats a f*ck you from blizzard to fans
My thoughts too!
+Alonso PC
Decimates the playerbase and destroys the possibility of it gaining any esports ground, which lowers the playerbase even more.. this dwindling playerbase will cause more people to leave, causing a downward spiral. Unless they move to F2P pretty soon after release, the game is dead.
What i really like about Dodger is the fact that in every singel video you can see how much she loves games and how excited she gets talking about them.
the dev actually said that you will get every character they have announced "so far", which suggests that they are going to release more later and probably charge for the new ones.
I like the warcraft trailer
+TenguBE Same. Personally I think its looking faaaar better than what I was expecting, so I don't really get what people are being so picky about.
+Ghostly One i think that over the years everyone came up with their own version of a Warcraft movie and now the official one is messing with their "head cannon" so to speak.
+Javierm0n0 or it just looks like every other fantasy movie ever.
Here how I see it, Blizzard really did themselves a disservice by releasing this trailer same day as Legion cinematic. So you have the Legion cinematic which show Blizzard have the capabilities to CGI human and they did delivered (it look fucking awesome) then you have Warcraft which look Medicare at best.
Personally, I am so glad Overwatch is going to be $40. Now I don't have to do the excessive grind to get all the content I actually care about.
Here goes another comment about her hair:
Bulma
Does the carpet match the drapes? J/k ;)
Warlords was released 1 year ago. Legion is released 1 year from now.
Blizz announced that there would be no more content for Warlords a few months ago - meaning 1 full year of "nothing new to do", and only 2 major raids.
Mists of Pandaria had the same issue, last major patch was 1 year before Warlords - but it did have 4 raids during its time.
So, yes. The big problem is "less content" (or the appearance of less content) in Warlords compared to Mists.
I clicked at the annotation..but there was no Coffeh :(
Nah its ok, you already told us that it wont be a regular show anymore and i totally respect that...i just miss it at times.
The reason people want and expected the WoW xpac sooner, was because blizzard has released ONE major patch and content update and have no plans to release any more until legion which is far below any other xpac even if they did release a zone. People thought and blizzard has said that they wanted to go on yearly release cycles for xpacs. This would make the lack of new content somewhat forgivable.
Overwatch retail price comes with "all current 21 heroes". So they still could add those heroes as either DLC or new expansions. Just seems weird with their wording...
I used to play League of Legends a long time ago but I've given it up since. I had zero intention of even trying Heroes of The Storm until I saw this video. So thank you for changing my opinion. And also, nice hair.
13:30 - Correction: They said that every one will be getting the current 21 characters. They never promised anything for future characters, but said that they have no plans to add more characters. IMO, they mght do an expansion years down the line.
My main worry with Overwatch is how that retail price translates over seas. Is it going to end up being 40 euro? and then the GBP price is based off of that, thus being more expensive? Also whether or not it'll have some skins or customization options just sort of built in WITH original purchase, or will ALL of that stuff be exclusively extra content? Not to mention the going the TF2 route of having millions of boxes that you need paid for keys to open...
I always hate the 1-1 USD to EUR conversion rate, as that's not at all how that works out.... For some reason Europe just has to pay WAY more for games and consoles than America :(
+MozilloGames You do realize they probably have to ship a lot of stuff over there. I'm not saying it justifies all of it but it's probably taken into account. There's also the matter that a lot of EU players don't buy english games, they have to translate them, which also costs money.
The 1-1 doesn't make sense when you ignore a lot of factors.
+Benoit Audet Then they should factor the shipping cost into the retail version of the game, and leave the digital download at the equivalent $40 price.
As far as I'm aware, there's only one version of the game, with multiple language options. That's the way most Blizz games are. I play SC2 in Italian, for example. That cost is already factored in to the base $40 game.
+MozilloGames Current EU battle net prices have the Standard edition at 40 Euroes with the Special edition at 60 Euros. So the Blizzard shop prices carry over 1-1, which means its likely to be the same box price.
+MozilloGames you thought 1 to 1 american to euro is bad? australians have to pay 70 australian when 40 usd is only 55 ausd
I did some OverWatch beta. I used to be a ginormous TF2 fan, but moved in. OW looks great and the sheer variety of character playstyles hooked me. I'm down for a B2P model. I don't care about cash shops, as long as it's not p2w of course.
LOVE YOUR HAIR SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!
Now for something completely off topic to the video, if I could choose Dodgers next hair color I would choose Green because it's the best color ever, just my 2 cents...I'll go now.
BUUULLLMAAAAA
I really hope a future Starcraft Movie will be in full CGI.
Great show dodger ! I am a Warcraft fan boy so I lost my mind at the trailer and while it does seem a tad awkward ( the scaling of orcs compared to humans ) I'm still out of my mind excited . Overall this was a very epic blizzcon in my opinion and I don't think the expansions are coming out to slowly for wow - the loudest complainers are the die hards that sink all their time into it . The medium to casual players or like me who have 3 or 4 games I play not just wow - there is more than enough content to keep us busy . Keep up the awesome work
Thank you, Dodger! Everyone just keeps complaining about Overwatch actually costing money; glad you share my opinion.
there is also going to be a tracer hero in HOTS , if you buy the more expensive overwatch you get more digital goodies. and the Tracer hero being one of those additional content.
Legion doesn't come out in the 21st. It was the LAST date it could possibly come out, but in the trailer, it says "Summer 2016" so it comes out next summer
You forgot about Hearthstone Dodger. Are you saying that Blizzard said nothing about Hearthstone all weekend? Well I guess I can go look for News about Hearthstone on the internet.
+Evil Power There's a new PvE adventure arriving this Thursday (November 12, 2015 for those reading this at some future date) called "The League of Explorers". Yes, the different "wings" can be bought separately, and yes, they can be bought with in-game gold. No, there won't be a special card back or other pre-order bonus, so there's no rush to buy it.
+Da Rat Bastid all caught up
Thanx
+Evil Power Dodger hates hearthstone.
+GamingElemental she isn't too big of a HotS fan from the sound of it either.
Love the hair Dodger. You should have put on pointy ears though since you're talking about Blizzcon, you almost look like an elf :P
Dont get the whole being annoyed about overwatch costing money thing.
Its a game guys, it costs money to produce.
I agree with your stance Dodger, i have no problem buying the game and having everything and then buying skins if i want.
Volbla I am fine with multiplayer only games with a lot of content... which overwatch currently doesn't have. Compare it with other f2p multiplayer only games like Smite and it doesn't even have half the amount of content. They are also basically guaranteed to add micro transactions. Why are people okay with aesthetic micro-transactions now? Have publishers really brainwashed so successfully? If it were f2p I wouldn't care about micro transactions... they need to make money, but they have a base price on overwatch, micro-transactions are just there for greed.
+ACRCTsual You're comparing an unfinished game with a finished one.
Overwatch is still in beta. Its not done yet.
And people are ok with aesthetic micro transactions because they are exactly that. Aesthetics. They don't impact the game or give an advantage in any way so people aren't really gonna care all that much about em.
Beside, they're not just there for greed. They intend to continue to develop the game post launch. Box sales aren't going to carry that for years to come unfortunately.
Kevin Ryan And if and when they do have a more complete game that actually seems to be worth the price, then I will buy it. This is the problem with pre-ordering. What I am saying is right now, I think it's absurd to ask 40$ + for Overwatch.
They could do full blown expansions to extend the life of the game instead of over priced aesthetics.
Yeah, I think that there might also be a problem that a lot of people won't buy the game because of its price, so there won't be a lot of players which means that there will be no community like there is in TF2. And if a multiplayer only game doesnt have a growing community it will die pretty quickly.
Grandiose Gambit Nah Overwatch will do just fine. It's a friggin blizzard game that people are loving to death right now.
Putting a price on the box won't hamper it in the slightest I don't think.
Also, keep in mind TF2 only JUST went F2P a couple years ago. It also had a box price to begin with
the issue with people saying that the release date is too far away is because there will be no more content patches for Warlords of Draenor or WoW at all till Legion drops. Theres barely enough to do at the moment; let alone for almost another year. :(
The "Release date" is stated to be "on or before September 21, 2016." This means it will at the latest be released at this date.
The problem with Warlords of Draenor is that Blizzard wanted to release expansions faster and cut content (a lot of content) but now they have nothing left to release...
I know you said your eyebrow thing was an accident, but it looks awesome. Also new hair looks dope
A lot of fans didn't like Warlords because they thought it was just a filler and it didn't really connect to the other expansion or expand on the current lore (they went back unlike in Legion where they are going forward). A lot of people who played the Warcraft games liked Burning Crusade, so they'll like Legion.
As for Overwatch... Any hardcore Blizz fan will get it because it is their newest franchise in 10 years (Heroes doesn't count since it took characters from their other games). Personally with all of the characters included, $40 isn't that bad for a Blizz game since every WoW expansion is around $50. As long as they don't get crazy with cosmetics and specialty boxes it's a good deal.
Totally diggin your teal hair, seems to compliment your complexion and eyes quite well. As always, like hearing your well spoken opinions.
Hey, long hair Chloe!
well, the biggest reason people are saying September is way too much of a wait, is because they didn't make a patch 6.3 (we did get a 6.2.3 but... thats barely anything) so yeah, many people are unsubbing to play other games in the meantime ofc, but that might pressure blizz to rush the game out. which will surely be much worse then waiting this long, lets really hope blizz keep their cool and release a full-fledged game
What I think is going to happen with Overwatch is that after an initial period where the game goes for full retail, they'll shift to a f2p model either fully like in tf2, or HotS, where unless you pay retail, you only have access to a limited rotating roster. It'll probably happen after the initial hype dies down and their player base needs a shot in the arm.
The date you gave for Legion release is a placeholder date. They have to put some kind of date on a product in order to sell it to people. it is going to be out "ON OR BEFORE Sept 21 2016" They do this every time and it always comes out months before that deadline.
The funny thing about Blizz is that they tried to cut WoD shorter in order to make Legion come out faster - but in the end the longer WoD would have lasted (another Raid, some dungeons, maybe a smaller zone) the more overall content there would have been to catch up to once the rest of Draenor got boring, meaning they could take longer to release Legion, since players had more goofy shit to do, like factions, achievements, etc.
Cutting it this short left us with a huge void of content, the few fractions we have are either uninteresting and/or grindfests. So players get pretty pissed off by this and don't want to wait another 6 to 9 months for Legion.
Oh,... I remember when there used to be a "last scene" at the end of the video...
2:14 WE HAVE GONE BACK IN TIME OMG
in regards to WoW expansions, WoD was a very short expansion, and we only got 2 content patches, only one of them actually added a large amount of content... in the form of daily quests, and we only got 3 raids....3 raids...
Jesus... I remember stumbling across your channel like 5 years ago. You're not at a million subs yet!?
I'm personally relieved Overwatch is not f2p.
Also, your hair looks amazing!
For what it's worth, they said it'll be out BY September. They're shooting for Summer but had to give themselves some sort of "at the latest" date to cover their asses.
Omg, your hair looks GORGEOUS!
I am really pleased that they went with the retail price model. I don't know why, but I just am.
One thing I have seen talked about is the fact that the movie is not a World or Warcraft movie, it is a Warcraft movie so the movie more follows the law of the original Warcraft games instead of the slightly altered World of Warcraft game law that deviates in places from the original.
I would recommend watching the Warcraft movie trailer on a bigger screen like a tv. I saw it on my computer and wasn't all that impressed, but on my tv it seems to fit so much better. Try it and comment back on here if you think it makes a difference.
They dodged the Overwatch questions again in the last interview. They "reassured us" that the "current 21" heroes will never cost anything, they come with the box. They also said they don't "currently plan" to make new heroes. But not once did they ever tell us that they will never charge for new heroes post-launch. That is all we want to know, and they refuse to answer us. "We don't plan to right now." and "We don't know." just aren't acceptable answers.
I appreciate the lack of giant shoulders personally. As funny as they are, giant shoulder armor pieces are kinda impractical since they mean you can't lift your arm up high enough to swing a broadsword without smacking your head with your armor.
I feel like the Warcraft trailer really hit something similar to the uncanny valley for me. Something just felt inherently off about the looks and feel of things.
The issue isn't the rate of expansions, but the lack of content added in them on top of massive miscommunications as to what the content was said to be.
Where can I find this outro song?
I love what you did with your hair. Its awesome!
Theoretically, could they do a patch in the future that, in the case of Cho disconnecting, movement control is just shifted to Gall?
The Sep 21 release date for Legion is just the ultimate latest date btw, more likely it will come out in June-August, most likely shortly after the Warcraft movie.
Yeah, the main thing that people are angry about with the new WoW expansion being out later is because of the lack of content being added to the game now. We got the most recent raid patch in june and if the expansion releases in september of next year then we will have to do the same raid and pieces of content for almost a year and a half. 6.2 (the newest patch) absolutely does not have enough content to keep the players occupied for 15 months. So it's not "release the new expansion sooner" as much as it is "you left the current expansion in a state that doesn't give us enough to do."
The problem with Warlords is that there wasn't enough content in it. If they put out an expansion once every 2 years, that's fine. But if they aren't putting out frequent content patches for those expansions then there is a problem.
I feel good about overwatch's price. its not too pricey and having all the characters at the start is great!
The problem is not that its too long between WoW expansions, its that theres always a year or so at the end of each xpac with no new content.
it says " Before or on September 21 " , they said its on summer but they added that as a deadline
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Erm Dodger about your left eyebrow, did you cut it intentionally? I wanna try that because mine is thick and a part of it starts falling very easily lol.
September 21st isn't the release date, it's just the latest it will be released so we have some kind of time frame. For instance Starcraft 2: LotV's tentative release was March 2016, but of course it's coming out on 10th November 2015, a full 4 months prior to the place holder date. WoD had the same thing, but was released 1 month prior as well. It's more of a "If shit hits the fan, then this will be when it comes out" date, otherwise, it's expected to release earlier.
The reason people are getting really upset about it is because they always fear the worst, instead of sitting back and just waiting to see what will happen when we get into the beta. It doesn't help that WoD is awful though, I don't think most players (including me) can wait until September for new stuff.
I figured that there'd be a price tag on Overwatch, and I'm actually quite pleased that it's a straightforward, one-and-done transaction. ((Hopefully, that'll be the only transaction necessary.)) The animated shorts sound like a lot of fun too.
I'm really excited to see Travis Fimmel in Warcraft, I really loved him in Vikings. Dodger, if you have time in between all the anime, watch Vikings. It's FANTASTIC!
As a player of wow, I find that most people don't do everything there is to do. There is a TON of stuff to do, yet many people focus on either raiding or pvp. Once the raid stop coming, it is inevitable for the players to want more. Personally I do neither one of the "classic" endgame content, but rather opt to casually farm gold and RP
Aw, I liked your bleach blonde hair :(
Blue looks fine though.
This video holds up suprisingly well on dubbel speed.
Your hair is so blue and I am LOVING IT!
I feel that "Boobie Mario" is a concept that is equally disturbing and intriguing.
omg finally the blue hair that you promissed years ago
DODGER I LOVE YOUR HAIR LIKE THIS
Where is Dandelion? When there is coming more of it? Feeling pretty sad 'cause I have been waiting for it over a month.
Got to say it , I love the hair colour, my favourite colour, and you pulled it off very well.
15:28 when it goes to black and white, your hair appears pink because science!
Dodger seems to be attempting to actually become Bulma
Overwatch's business model makes me happy, as it's something that I was hoping would be that way just for sake of being a good example to the rest of the games industry, but at the same time I don't have the dough on me right now for that.
All the news is awesome as always - I am so ready for overwatch :) even at $40 that is a great deal for all the beautiful content.
Guys, I think Dodger is becoming a Bulma
Blue hair :D!! Love it, thanks for all the Blizz news Dodger
People don't mind the expansion gap, we get it everytime. Its because Blizzard stated they were going to stop it by having yearly expansions - But oh wait, here we are again with a potential *15 months* without content. The last content gap was only 13.
The only problem I have with Overwatch's price is why are the console versions much more expensive then the PC version, seems like all you get in the origins edition you get some skins and stuff for other Blizzard games, which if like me your a console player you probably don't play there other IPs.
I'd like to point out that the September date is NOT the release date. It is the last day it can release legally. It will have a summer release.