Note: If you want to make the Pro Chameleos build but only have a Quick Sheath 2 Talisman with 2_2_0 slots you can swap out the Rathalos Coil S with a Anjanath Coil S for more slots.
was really scratching my head as to why rath was chosen instead of anjanath... resistances? Those 2 extra 1 slots mean you could slot 5 defense boost if you really wanted. Or 3 satiated/grinder/diversion/2 recovery etc. Seems like an oversight
For everyone looking for the pro build charm: LOOK HERE! You can obtain that talisman pretty easily from moonbow targeting quick sheath. It has 1/265 chance of appearing, much much higher than only using whisp of mistery. So if you guys main LS and want that sweet charm, start using moonbow for quick sheath instead!
Don't spread misinformation please. From the datamine published a month ago, it is proven IMPOSSIBLE to get quick sheath 2 (nor 3) with moonbow. The maximum form Moonbow is Quick Sheath 1 edit: I am wrong, serves me right
@@notkamui9749 i kindly invite you to go check back the datamine if you don't trust me, you're probably getting confused with weakness exploit, which is indeed impossible to obtain at level 2 with the moonbow melding. quick sheath it is totally possible to obtain, i got a lot of qs lv 2 with a lv 2 slot and even got the 2 level 2 slot one from that. moonbow is indeed the best way to obtain that qs charm
As Hunter who is a Father and a business owner, this really helps out mate. I don't have time like I used to and this video will help me out so I can have some fun when I do have some time to hunt :) Happy Hunting mates!
Your the best TDS, I was struggling making a powerful build until now. I was just wearing full magna armor up until now since I liked its look and I still took down monsters pretty easy.
Actually i was the same type of play like "As higher the rank of your armor is, as stronger you are" :D big mistake :D Just pick the right HR armor with jewels and its fine! But i have to say, that i dont like this lucky based charm bullshit... world did it better with deco stones!
Great video guys. I haven’t been able to make the pro pro builds still got quick sheath 2 and 1 slot lol. Tigrex long is hands down just op it makes you feel so powerful and it great for us Sakura slash users lol still getting good times on apex’s.
I feel like speed sharpening really got some spotlight in Rise since every important level 1 decoration got bumped to level 2 and since you got level 1 slots it's like why not. But I still dislike how skills that go up to level 7 are now a 2 slot decoration 😌
I really like your Rise builds, this is the first Monster Hunter game I've actually put time in. Can you do a Dual Blade build video next? I haven't found a build I like for them yet and your Hunting Horn build has carried me through all the newest stuff.
@@LJAndrews1986 Isn't he having fun though? Before you can experiment with it, you need to have some basic understanding of what skills to prioritize and what pieces are skill efficient. Imagine ragging on someone for being new to the game and not knowing how to make builds. Pathetic.
Idevaste, a member of Team Darkside, made a video on DBs a couple days ago. Check there to find some info on it. I don't know much about DBs since I haven't used them since MH3U. Ik you should focus on using element with them, but you should probs check Idevaste to find out more.
@@LJAndrews1986 I'm just not in the mood to do the math myself, experimenting on a set can get you far, but nothing beats a good old mathematically optimized set.
man i love the chammy longswaord it looks so good! the 80% affinity base is a thing in rise now i guess made a video on the goss harag greatsword where im in the same situation. Thanks for the info and the awesome video!!!
@@synon7449 Many weapons’ current meta has Nargacuga euipments, or at least some narga materials to make(weakness exploits decoration needs narga medulla too.
If its not too much of a hassle, could you guys put the sets/charms in the description or comments? Im suffering from extremely bad internet and can barely watch let alone read stuff :|
For that Rathalos Coil S, use Anjanath Coil S instead, it has 2 attack boost, no 1pt of windproof, has the lvl2 deco slot, but comes with 2 more lvl1 deco slots
Thanks for showing the EFR calc. If anyone is replicating this, make sure you use absolute values for affinity (both instances) when calc'ing negative affinity EFR. This is obviously not a problem with positive affinity calcs. Showing an example with -10% vs +10% affinity at critboost0 without absolute values 0.75 x -0.1 + 1 + 0.1 = 1.025 1.25 x 0.1 + 1 - 0.1 = 1.025 -10% with |aff| 0.75 x 0.1 + 1 - 0.1 = 0.975 alternative calc (critmod x |aff| + 1) keep in mind this is critmod and not critdmg. -0.25 x 0.1 + 1 = 0.975 0.25 x 0.1 + 1 = 1.025
I have a build based on the earlier builds you guys created with the Nargacuga LS. As Ive yet to get that damn charm you guys present here for the pro build, I've made a somewhat decent one. A charm by the name of Fatal Tempest Talisman that gives me lvl 3 Quick Sheath and 1 Blight Resistance with a lvl 2 slot and lvl 1 slot. The armor: Kaiser Head, Zinogre Chest, Rathalos Braces, Anjanath Coil and the Golden Hakama. With the proper decorations I am able to gain this: Attack Boost lvl 7 Crit Eye lvl 3 Crit Boost lvl 3 Quick Sheath lvl 3 Recovery Speed 3 Speed Sharpening 3 Latent power 2 Weakness Exploit 2 Blight Resitance 1 and Flinch free 1. I've found this build to be relatively equal to the builds you guys posted here. Atleast seeing the damage numbers. If anyone has any ideas to improve this by any means, do let me know! Many thanks.
@@Rhapsodos_X I’m sorry what? The last helm breaker that actually misses in the video misses by so far. Lmao I’m not wrong, you’re misreading his comment
I recently started using the Gnash Katana with kaiser, barroth, rath, rath, ingot, with a bludgeoner 3 charm with a 2 slot. I get 315 base raw and 75 crit with wexploit. Probably not optimal but I get some extra def and a point of flinch free so it's pretty comfy, definitely gonna look into the cham one though
3:49 if you only have the quick sheath 2 with 2-2-0 (or 2-2-1) charm, not the Quick sheath 2 with 3-2-1 charm on the pro build, you can use vaik mail instead of the barioth mail and slot a handicraft jewel and quick sheath jewel on the vaik mail to get functionality the same build as the pro build minus a level of maximum might
Dude you literally just saved my life🙏 I've been trying to get that talisman for the past 2 days, but I just completed the build with the exact same amount of skills I got a fatal tempest talisman with plus two quick sheath so I added back the extra tenderizer and one more quick sheath and it's the exact same. Thanks a lot
I was working out how to make Chamelos work on my own, so this is good to help me out. I wanted to use it even if it wasn't good because, invisible sword
I'm excited to see how the Elder dragon weapons get upgraded in the next update. Tigrex is meta for now, but Tigrine Need is the last sword in its tree. The other swords all have the number 1 next to their name, implying there will be further upgrades added.
I'm just hoping to see some of the other weapons in the tree to be upgradable again like the imperial sword which had another tree that goes into the Aqua Sword (I believe that's what it was called) which looks very good
@@looskiss1262 well I mean they are speed runners. Cx wouldn't make too much sense if they made one about other weapons. LS, is the easiest to master, since you kinda only really have to use 3 moves, and one combo. To output the most dps.
just quick notice: Sacura slash FILL your spirit bar, not spend it. So, playing with Sakura slash you always with red spirit bar. It just easier playstyle
you can actually make a pro Chameleos LS with the QS+2 2-2slot talisman. all you need to do is change the BARIOTH MAIL S to VAIK MAIL S then you can do the rest with jewels/accesories. you'll have the ff skills: CEye+5 AtkBoost+4 CB+3 WEx+3 Handicraft+3 QSheath+3 SpeedSharpening+3 Free Meal+3 Flinch Free+1 HellfireCloak+1 the only difference is you won't have MMight+1.
I just looked through my inventory and realized without even grinding, I can make both of these builds. Narga's is still going to be my go to though. I just like the monster a lot
Valstrax builds may be more practical for a lot of people, though, since it has higher base defense, huge elemental resist (+50), and if you're getting hit some of the damage procs are really good (10% attack, plus resentment and resuscitate that procs itself). With a QS 3 2-2-0 charm and an upgraded chamelios LS, you can put together a pretty nice protective polish build (1 handicraft for white, level 3 slot comes on the Valstrax chest), where even in the top apex fights you'll be really hard to kill.
Everyone uses Soaring Kick but I really like the Sakura Slash, it's very easy to use so I'm doing more damage overall because when I try to get Soaring Kicks in I miss sometimes. With Sakura I'm able to use it on smaller openings. Also makes it stupid easy to maintain the red sword level. Only downside is the long recharge but it's not that bad since it only uses one bug.
I think the playstyle intended might have been super focused around the wirebug, with Sakura Slash raising the gauge, Serene Pose lowering the gauge. Slot in some wirebug whisperer and esp Silkbind boost now and I bet it’s rather powerful, not that I’ve tried it.
@@fuyunghay4214 Yea i mained ls and sns in tri days. LS goal was to get to red and stay there. I love the counters they added but now in rise 5050 operate yellow and red. kinda mandatory lol
On the budget build for Chameleos, you can still have 4 attack boosts and if you have talisman that at least has a level 2 quick sheath and a level 3 slot. The only thing that you miss out is you get critical boost level 2 instead of level 3.
@@dantheman9987 Okay so if you have 3 out of 5 armor pieces (which is Kaiser Crown, Barioth's Mail S and Sinister gauntlets S) and change the waist and leggings for Anjanath waist and Ingot Greaves and fill up the decorations with 3 WE, 1 CB, 1 Handicraft and 3 Grinder jewels and a talisman that at least has a quick sheath level 2 and a level 3 slot, you can get almost everything in the pro build except one point in CB and still have level 1 slot left. If you want to have CB 3 then you can swap out the Handricraft for the last CB. Idk if you understood that as I tried my best to explain it but hope you understood it.
Now I know what to do the rest of the day, awesome video! I wonder what you think of serene pose. In my opinion it's not worth it using except for wake ups. Do you use it at all?
ive always been a GS main and the best charm ive ever gotten on rise, back when the charm tables were fixed, was an absolutely stacked LS charm with quick sheath 3, speed sharpen 2, and a single 3, a sinlge 2, and a single one slot. i still cant get good attack charms but like i could make the most nasty ls set
I completly missed that they had removed the camelos poison effect from it's sword untill after I had made both the Cameleos and Tigrex sets I'm kinda sad thought it would be a great poison long sword to use agains Kushala. Guess I'm the fool, good night every one. XD
I killed thunder serpent narwa. LS. Without any charm , talisman( or whatever it call) no special armor skill, absolutely zero knowledge about counter attacks. Just slash like a maniac. Like freedom unite. I don’t understand anything you said in the video. But I love it.
I consider protective polish 1 a comfy skill, it delays the time where I have to think about sharpness, though I am the kind of player who sharpens during short openings. Actually a lot of my tactics seem to be pretty far from what other players go for now that I think about it...
My issue with the Chameleos longsword is simple; WHY ISN'T IT POISON?! Seriously, the poison would be nice because it's extra damage but because poison is, well...poison it would only close the gap between it and Tiggy. i hope that the 1 in its name means it'll get upgrades that actually do have poison, bc holy shit I want Chameleos's LS to be the best so baaaaaad. Other than that it's a fantastic longsword. The dip in raw is kind of made up for by the slots and affinity Tiggy just doesn't have, even if Tiggy is technically still better. ALSO, something easier to aim for that's inbetween the pro and budget builds is a Quick Sheath 2 with 2-2 slots from Moonbow Melding if you select that skill. It's about a 1 in 200 chance as opposed to the 1 in a couple thousand the Pro version's Talisman is. The compromise I made for both longswords is one point of max might because I roll too much, and it works pretty well. Although I did switch out the chest and waist in this vid for the Vaik Chest and the Anja waist when it comes to Chameleos, but otherwise it's the same, Attack Boost 4 and all. So yeah, try out getting that if you want something that's between two already close sets. One last thing; I've tried Pro Polish on Chameleos and I can confirm it's very stressful; ideally it's only possible to get level 2 on there, and even with speed sharpen, sharpening every 60 seconds is just...blarg. So take it from me, if you want to make that compromise, be prepared for high-effort maintenance compared to normal.
Why would you use Rathalos Coil instead of Anja Coil in the Chammy build? It’s just a straight downgrade. You get two extra one slots with Anja. If you care about the windproof and extra two points in defense, you can more than slot those both in with the extra slots you’ve got with Anja. Otherwise I like these builds. Your Tiggy build is the same as mine, and I’m really happy to remember my Quick Sheath 2 charm has 3-2-0 slots. I’ve been using it as 2-2-0 slots for so long I almost believed that was they were for a bit.
So on the Chameleos Pro why are we using Rathalos Waist over the Anja Waist? The anja waist gives 2 extra 1 slots which while it wont increase dps, it would just give more area for Level 1 slots. And if you want that windproof. Thats a Level 1 slot. So essentially no matter how you cut it you get a net gain of atleast 1 one slot. I'm curious on the choice of Rath over Anja, if there is something I'm just not seeing.
You can make the pro chameleos build even with a lvl2 quick shealth and 2 lvl2 slot talisman ! Juste use the vaik mail and put the handicraft jewel and the quick shealth jewel !
I don't have that god charm, so I went ahead and made the Chameleos set with a Quick Sheathe 3 3-slot, and the Vaik chest instead of Barioth. The only thing you lose is the extra Handicraft.
My charm is Quicksheath 2: 2-2-0 so I can't fit in handicraft 3, I end up use chrome metal coil, Kadachi greaves. Drop all attacks to fit in Master Touch, I never have to worry about sharpness anymore, although it's like 20 less raw than I normal atk 5 build, but it really comfy and long-term dps is atleast the same: re-sharpen mid-battle really break the flow of combat, it took ~4s even with speed sharpening 3 - while this LS drop to green quite fast
@@mastervixron already did xD it's definitely fun I'm farming for the perfect Punishing Draw talisman now. I got a Punishing Draw 2 with a double two slot, but I'd love to get one with Slugger or Quick Sheath on the side too. I'm so greedy lmao. Rip Crit Draw
@@pumpkin7446 Nice XD and I got two of talismans with punishing draw, one of them has maxed out Punishing draw with with Part Breaker level 2 and I believe a two slot and the other one has Quick Sheath level 2 with Punishing draw level 1 and a level 3 slot and level 1 slot.
For tigrex build: the drop rate in damage between crit and non-crit is huge - after multiple testing I went for the safe zone ,, going up to 100% with Maximum Might 3 ,, and using only 1 critical boost Overall skills would be Crit eye 7 - Atk 4 - QS 3 - WE 3 - MM 3 - Spd sharp 3 - free meal 3 (for fun) - 1 crit boost For that you need a charm with Quick Sheath 1 and 2 level 2 slots or better
You can change the rampage skill after upgrading to Tigrex LS. It will appear as an additional option on the weapon, you can change it back later. It'll still cost you the same monster parts though.
In fact, at 40 hits of white sharpness, razerSharp lv3 maybe performs better than handiCraft lv2 (btw idk if I spell these two words correctly, I'm not a native English speaker and I'm not playing the English version of MHR right now lol). Since when you hit with the sharpness saved by razerSharp, it could trigger razerSharp again (to my best memory, razerSharp lv3 has a 50% possibility not to decrease the sharpness), so basically at 40 hits of white sharpness razerSharp lv3 could offer you about 80 hits of white sharpness (based on how lucky you are)? Anyway, I agree with the builds in the video and I'm using them right now, I just wonder if the conclusion about comparing with razerSharp lv3 and handiCraft lv2 is correct.
Is windproof better than two single slots? If not, what benefit is the rathalos coil over anjanath coil? Anja would give you two more single slots. Albeit, slightly less defense.
Could you talk about hellfire cloak in a future video? It seems like another way to get more damage when a monster is enraged but I'm really not sure if it would worth to run via decorations or the magnamalo armor.
Hellfire cloak just gives around 20-30 raw when the monster is enraged. Its basically agitator, but it uses a 3 slot so it isn't worth investing in. All of the special monster specific bonuses are pretty bad. Affinity skills, and critboost are always going to be meta.
![Monster Hunter Rise • Ultimate Tigrex Longsword Build “New Raw Meta” [Insane Damage]](/img/n.gif)
TDS: [Chameleos longsword damage stats]
Me: I sleep.
TDS: INVISIBLE SWORD
Me: *R E A L S H I T ?*
Exactly
represents the hit box of the helmet break, INVISIBLE
@@kevyn697 This hurts me on a spiritual level
@@arshadzaidi4667 literally, going from red to yellow without doing damage hurts too much
@@kevyn697 Honestly getting 1 tick hurts more. Its like someone throwing you penies for your paycheck. I'd rather just not get payed at that point.
Note: If you want to make the Pro Chameleos build but only have a Quick Sheath 2 Talisman with 2_2_0 slots you can swap out the Rathalos Coil S with a Anjanath Coil S for more slots.
was really scratching my head as to why rath was chosen instead of anjanath... resistances? Those 2 extra 1 slots mean you could slot 5 defense boost if you really wanted. Or 3 satiated/grinder/diversion/2 recovery etc. Seems like an oversight
@@deskmanatee even on the budget tigrex, if u got a crit eye jewel u could use high metal coil and have an extra 3 and 1 socket
How do u even get a quick sheath 2 charm with two 2 slots I can't even get one quick sheath with a 2 slot is it whisp of mystery or moonbow?
@@DragonsRocks017 you can get quick sheath 2 with 2 double slots with moonbow i finally rolled mine a few days ago
I can't get how, you can't use handicraft jewel without a 3_2_1 talisman..do i have missed something?
Don't worry if you can't make these builds. They will probably change by the end of May again lol
Hopefully we get something good on may update
Just glad that there's a few other alternatives other than narga weapons
I'm just hoping they give us good weapons that are not longswords and other options instead of nargacuga weapons.
Ima just run my max ele 60% crit rate, lvl 2 crit boost and lvl 2 ele crit boost
Hoping for a sword and shield one
Him: "Rise has been out for a month, you guys should have at least one 2 double slot charm by now"
Me: Haha, no.
TDS: « Wait, you guys don’t play the game everyday 24/7 since launch ? 🤨 »
日本人が出している動画と異なり値を並べて出して比較できていることと、採用しなかったスキルとその理由、護石簡易バージョンを載せているのが参考になりました。
That 3 slot talisman is really haunting me.
it's impossible to get normally, you have to use a mod
@@AB-dd4jz such as?
For everyone looking for the pro build charm: LOOK HERE!
You can obtain that talisman pretty easily from moonbow targeting quick sheath. It has 1/265 chance of appearing, much much higher than only using whisp of mistery. So if you guys main LS and want that sweet charm, start using moonbow for quick sheath instead!
good to konw, thanks
Oh yeah, now that we don't need wex 2 moonbow is relevant again, I kinda forgot about it.
Don't spread misinformation please.
From the datamine published a month ago, it is proven IMPOSSIBLE to get quick sheath 2 (nor 3) with moonbow. The maximum form Moonbow is Quick Sheath 1
edit: I am wrong, serves me right
You can only get lv 1 quick sheath from moonbow. It's worthless
@@notkamui9749 i kindly invite you to go check back the datamine if you don't trust me, you're probably getting confused with weakness exploit, which is indeed impossible to obtain at level 2 with the moonbow melding. quick sheath it is totally possible to obtain, i got a lot of qs lv 2 with a lv 2 slot and even got the 2 level 2 slot one from that. moonbow is indeed the best way to obtain that qs charm
As a Longsword player, whenever experiencing the strange hitbox of helmbreaker like the last scene, that drives me crazy...
Greatsword users missing their TCS: “First time?”
Honestly, i say every weapon missing hits drives every the same crazy.
Then why don't you use sakura slash instead ? Less damage, but epic hitbox and dodge movement
helmbreakers away from monster: it hits
Helmbrekers into monster: M I S S
Insect Glaive users with diving wyvern: You guys have a hitbox?
1:33 Didn't expect to be randomly featured in a TDS video xD
You've been blessed lol
I love that the Chameleos longsword can turn invisible like the past.
As Hunter who is a Father and a business owner, this really helps out mate. I don't have time like I used to and this video will help me out so I can have some fun when I do have some time to hunt :) Happy Hunting mates!
Happy huntin man!
Your the best TDS, I was struggling making a powerful build until now. I was just wearing full magna armor up until now since I liked its look and I still took down monsters pretty easy.
Actually i was the same type of play like "As higher the rank of your armor is, as stronger you are" :D big mistake :D
Just pick the right HR armor with jewels and its fine!
But i have to say, that i dont like this lucky based charm bullshit... world did it better with deco stones!
And now Chris is back to being "Chris" instead of "Opadorf". I swear the TDS-multiverse is getting more and more confusing each day, hahaha
Great video guys. I haven’t been able to make the pro pro builds still got quick sheath 2 and 1 slot lol. Tigrex long is hands down just op it makes you feel so powerful and it great for us Sakura slash users lol still getting good times on apex’s.
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これからも動画投稿・TA頑張ってください！
I feel like speed sharpening really got some spotlight in Rise since every important level 1 decoration got bumped to level 2 and since you got level 1 slots it's like why not. But I still dislike how skills that go up to level 7 are now a 2 slot decoration 😌
Yep its really not a good decision ... and there are not even MANY armor pieces with good slots! ...
the production quality is really good, nice work!
I really like your Rise builds, this is the first Monster Hunter game I've actually put time in. Can you do a Dual Blade build video next? I haven't found a build I like for them yet and your Hunting Horn build has carried me through all the newest stuff.
Imagine letting TH-camrs decide how you play a game and not having fun and experimenting. What a sad way to play anything god.....
@@LJAndrews1986 Isn't he having fun though? Before you can experiment with it, you need to have some basic understanding of what skills to prioritize and what pieces are skill efficient. Imagine ragging on someone for being new to the game and not knowing how to make builds. Pathetic.
Idevaste, a member of Team Darkside, made a video on DBs a couple days ago. Check there to find some info on it. I don't know much about DBs since I haven't used them since MH3U. Ik you should focus on using element with them, but you should probs check Idevaste to find out more.
@@LJAndrews1986 I'm just not in the mood to do the math myself, experimenting on a set can get you far, but nothing beats a good old mathematically optimized set.
@@arshadzaidi4667 Thank you! I'll go check that out.
man i love the chammy longswaord it looks so good!
the 80% affinity base is a thing in rise now i guess
made a video on the goss harag greatsword where im in the same situation.
Thanks for the info and the awesome video!!!
Teostra: "You can't win, Narga."
Nargacuga: "This is my game, my meta!"
What?
@@cooperlittlehales6268 yea I have no idea what he’s saying
@@synon7449 legit tho what does this actually mean? this has no relevance to the video lmao
@@synon7449 Many weapons’ current meta has Nargacuga euipments, or at least some narga materials to make(weakness exploits decoration needs narga medulla too.
@@irisyan4692 And then, there is Teostra helmet. It's literally Narga 2.0
This is on another level of dedication ♥️
If its not too much of a hassle, could you guys put the sets/charms in the description or comments? Im suffering from extremely bad internet and can barely watch let alone read stuff :|
For that Rathalos Coil S, use Anjanath Coil S instead, it has 2 attack boost, no 1pt of windproof, has the lvl2 deco slot, but comes with 2 more lvl1 deco slots
Thanks for showing the EFR calc. If anyone is replicating this, make sure you use absolute values for affinity (both instances) when calc'ing negative affinity EFR. This is obviously not a problem with positive affinity calcs.
Showing an example with -10% vs +10% affinity at critboost0 without absolute values
0.75 x -0.1 + 1 + 0.1 = 1.025
1.25 x 0.1 + 1 - 0.1 = 1.025
-10% with |aff|
0.75 x 0.1 + 1 - 0.1 = 0.975
alternative calc (critmod x |aff| + 1) keep in mind this is critmod and not critdmg.
-0.25 x 0.1 + 1 = 0.975
0.25 x 0.1 + 1 = 1.025
I have a build based on the earlier builds you guys created with the Nargacuga LS. As Ive yet to get that damn charm you guys present here for the pro build, I've made a somewhat decent one. A charm by the name of Fatal Tempest Talisman that gives me lvl 3 Quick Sheath and 1 Blight Resistance with a lvl 2 slot and lvl 1 slot. The armor: Kaiser Head, Zinogre Chest, Rathalos Braces, Anjanath Coil and the Golden Hakama. With the proper decorations I am able to gain this:
Attack Boost lvl 7
Crit Eye lvl 3
Crit Boost lvl 3
Quick Sheath lvl 3
Recovery Speed 3
Speed Sharpening 3
Latent power 2
Weakness Exploit 2
Blight Resitance 1 and Flinch free 1.
I've found this build to be relatively equal to the builds you guys posted here. Atleast seeing the damage numbers.
If anyone has any ideas to improve this by any means, do let me know! Many thanks.
Oohh that last clip of helm breaker missing when it should have hit breaks my heart. I hope Capcom fixes it next update
That helm breaker missed. It doesn’t need to extend like 3 sword lengths.
@@sic5434 Hard to tell but I really felt like this should hit
@@sic5434 you're allowed to be wrong
@@sic5434 If it missed then why did it deal damage?
@@Rhapsodos_X I’m sorry what? The last helm breaker that actually misses in the video misses by so far. Lmao I’m not wrong, you’re misreading his comment
I recently started using the Gnash Katana with kaiser, barroth, rath, rath, ingot, with a bludgeoner 3 charm with a 2 slot. I get 315 base raw and 75 crit with wexploit. Probably not optimal but I get some extra def and a point of flinch free so it's pretty comfy, definitely gonna look into the cham one though
Already had that Pro Tigrex build using the armor set builder nice to know you guys value the same skills
One of the best video, if not the best, for Long Sword Builds!! Thanks for your hard work!!
3:49 if you only have the quick sheath 2 with 2-2-0 (or 2-2-1) charm, not the Quick sheath 2 with 3-2-1 charm on the pro build, you can use vaik mail instead of the barioth mail and slot a handicraft jewel and quick sheath jewel on the vaik mail to get functionality the same build as the pro build minus a level of maximum might
Dude you literally just saved my life🙏
I've been trying to get that talisman for the past 2 days, but I just completed the build with the exact same amount of skills I got a fatal tempest talisman with plus two quick sheath so I added back the extra tenderizer and one more quick sheath and it's the exact same. Thanks a lot
I was working out how to make Chamelos work on my own, so this is good to help me out. I wanted to use it even if it wasn't good because, invisible sword
It's a good day to be a LongSword Main.
Never is a good day to main it(take it with a grain of salt)
I'm excited to see how the Elder dragon weapons get upgraded in the next update. Tigrex is meta for now, but Tigrine Need is the last sword in its tree. The other swords all have the number 1 next to their name, implying there will be further upgrades added.
Right!! I've been eyeballing the mizu weapons, and the ibushi weapons. (and those teo dual blades) and they're not even done yet. Cx
I'm just hoping to see some of the other weapons in the tree to be upgradable again like the imperial sword which had another tree that goes into the Aqua Sword (I believe that's what it was called) which looks very good
@@mastervixron 4 reels. Imperial sword from GU was so good.
Lmao you’re right
I'd love to see an elemental video, if you guys wanted to do one.
Not meta won't happen 😅 Sad as it is
@@LJAndrews1986 It is against specific monsters though. Pretty sure its meta against Chameleos and it used to be against Zinogre.
@@LJAndrews1986 Doesn't matter if it's meta or not, you can still make fun elemental builds
Ngl, all this videos about long sword's builds are interesting but i'd like to see this kind of videos for all weapons as well.
But tds are meta/LS simps :p
@@looskiss1262 well I mean they are speed runners. Cx wouldn't make too much sense if they made one about other weapons. LS, is the easiest to master, since you kinda only really have to use 3 moves, and one combo. To output the most dps.
@@looskiss1262 but I feel. Wish the made one for charge blade, or dual blades. :(
@@shadowthethird3 or lance
@@shadowthethird3 idevaste is making nice meta charge blade builds, i also think hes chilling with team darkside sometimes
just quick notice: Sacura slash FILL your spirit bar, not spend it. So, playing with Sakura slash you always with red spirit bar. It just easier playstyle
you can actually make a pro Chameleos LS with the QS+2 2-2slot talisman.
all you need to do is change the BARIOTH MAIL S to VAIK MAIL S
then you can do the rest with jewels/accesories.
you'll have the ff skills:
CEye+5
AtkBoost+4
CB+3
WEx+3
Handicraft+3
QSheath+3
SpeedSharpening+3
Free Meal+3
Flinch Free+1
HellfireCloak+1
the only difference is you won't have MMight+1.
I just looked through my inventory and realized without even grinding, I can make both of these builds. Narga's is still going to be my go to though. I just like the monster a lot
"Since Rise has been out, and obviously none of you work, you should all have these things."
Basically
I don't even know what he's talking about since I haven't completed the Hub quests yet. Lol
you should have a talisman with 2 level 2 slots by the time you can fight teostra
I work full time and have all these stuff :-P
@@ACrossingSage24 take your time, low rank is a lot of fun!
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Amazing video!
For the Chameleos pro build you can use the Dober Coil instead of the Rathalos Coil and save yourself the trouble hunting for a Rathalos Ruby :)
Keeping tight for the bow build videos lads! Keep up the good work
Valstrax builds may be more practical for a lot of people, though, since it has higher base defense, huge elemental resist (+50), and if you're getting hit some of the damage procs are really good (10% attack, plus resentment and resuscitate that procs itself).
With a QS 3 2-2-0 charm and an upgraded chamelios LS, you can put together a pretty nice protective polish build (1 handicraft for white, level 3 slot comes on the Valstrax chest), where even in the top apex fights you'll be really hard to kill.
Very late reply but I'm new to the game, is Valstrax a DLC? I only have the base game so is the build in this vid the best?
Valstrax is the last boss you fight in rise.
I was waiting for this video.
I was like: oh cool I can see what TDS does with the new LS.
But its exactly the build I made myself. Glad I got that charm
待ってましたぁ！
Everyone uses Soaring Kick but I really like the Sakura Slash, it's very easy to use so I'm doing more damage overall because when I try to get Soaring Kicks in I miss sometimes. With Sakura I'm able to use it on smaller openings. Also makes it stupid easy to maintain the red sword level. Only downside is the long recharge but it's not that bad since it only uses one bug.
I think the playstyle intended might have been super focused around the wirebug, with Sakura Slash raising the gauge, Serene Pose lowering the gauge. Slot in some wirebug whisperer and esp Silkbind boost now and I bet it’s rather powerful, not that I’ve tried it.
Back in the day, the original Long Sword playstyle IS maintaining dps in red gauge
@@fuyunghay4214 Yea i mained ls and sns in tri days. LS goal was to get to red and stay there. I love the counters they added but now in rise 5050 operate yellow and red. kinda mandatory lol
On the budget build for Chameleos, you can still have 4 attack boosts and if you have talisman that at least has a level 2 quick sheath and a level 3 slot. The only thing that you miss out is you get critical boost level 2 instead of level 3.
could you give a more detailed breakdown?
@@dantheman9987 Okay so if you have 3 out of 5 armor pieces (which is Kaiser Crown, Barioth's Mail S and Sinister gauntlets S) and change the waist and leggings for Anjanath waist and Ingot Greaves and fill up the decorations with 3 WE, 1 CB, 1 Handicraft and 3 Grinder jewels and a talisman that at least has a quick sheath level 2 and a level 3 slot, you can get almost everything in the pro build except one point in CB and still have level 1 slot left. If you want to have CB 3 then you can swap out the Handricraft for the last CB.
Idk if you understood that as I tried my best to explain it but hope you understood it.
Now I know what to do the rest of the day, awesome video!
I wonder what you think of serene pose. In my opinion it's not worth it using except for wake ups. Do you use it at all?
ive always been a GS main and the best charm ive ever gotten on rise, back when the charm tables were fixed, was an absolutely stacked LS charm with quick sheath 3, speed sharpen 2, and a single 3, a sinlge 2, and a single one slot. i still cant get good attack charms but like i could make the most nasty ls set
日本語訳 ありがとうございます(*´ω｀*)
I completly missed that they had removed the camelos poison effect from it's sword untill after I had made both the Cameleos and Tigrex sets I'm kinda sad thought it would be a great poison long sword to use agains Kushala.
Guess I'm the fool, good night every one. XD
I killed thunder serpent narwa. LS. Without any charm , talisman( or whatever it call) no special armor skill, absolutely zero knowledge about counter attacks. Just slash like a maniac. Like freedom unite. I don’t understand anything you said in the video. But I love it.
Would be nice if you had a screen shot or document laying out all the decorations. Kind of hard to remember when it's just verbal
You can always just pause and write it down yourself
I consider protective polish 1 a comfy skill, it delays the time where I have to think about sharpness, though I am the kind of player who sharpens during short openings.
Actually a lot of my tactics seem to be pretty far from what other players go for now that I think about it...
Same, also, if satiated works like it did in world, that's 45% chance of me not using the whetfish+ I have stocked from argosy special items
I know Hammer isn't the most used or best weapon, but I'd love to see a video of some good hammer builds.
My QS 3 levl 3 and levl 2 deco slots charm comin in clutch for the chameleos build.
I got one to, but can only get Attack +2 ☹️.
@1:14 that's not Sakura Slash, guys. That's Serene Grace.
if you craft from the iron tree you can change rampage skill and still rollback to it
My issue with the Chameleos longsword is simple; WHY ISN'T IT POISON?! Seriously, the poison would be nice because it's extra damage but because poison is, well...poison it would only close the gap between it and Tiggy. i hope that the 1 in its name means it'll get upgrades that actually do have poison, bc holy shit I want Chameleos's LS to be the best so baaaaaad. Other than that it's a fantastic longsword. The dip in raw is kind of made up for by the slots and affinity Tiggy just doesn't have, even if Tiggy is technically still better.
ALSO, something easier to aim for that's inbetween the pro and budget builds is a Quick Sheath 2 with 2-2 slots from Moonbow Melding if you select that skill. It's about a 1 in 200 chance as opposed to the 1 in a couple thousand the Pro version's Talisman is. The compromise I made for both longswords is one point of max might because I roll too much, and it works pretty well. Although I did switch out the chest and waist in this vid for the Vaik Chest and the Anja waist when it comes to Chameleos, but otherwise it's the same, Attack Boost 4 and all. So yeah, try out getting that if you want something that's between two already close sets.
One last thing; I've tried Pro Polish on Chameleos and I can confirm it's very stressful; ideally it's only possible to get level 2 on there, and even with speed sharpen, sharpening every 60 seconds is just...blarg. So take it from me, if you want to make that compromise, be prepared for high-effort maintenance compared to normal.
Why would you use Rathalos Coil instead of Anja Coil in the Chammy build? It’s just a straight downgrade. You get two extra one slots with Anja. If you care about the windproof and extra two points in defense, you can more than slot those both in with the extra slots you’ve got with Anja.
Otherwise I like these builds. Your Tiggy build is the same as mine, and I’m really happy to remember my Quick Sheath 2 charm has 3-2-0 slots. I’ve been using it as 2-2-0 slots for so long I almost believed that was they were for a bit.
I'm not even a ls main I just love your vids
very neat!
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@@飯田豪-j8r Ahem, English plz
@@Unknown-yt4cy sorry
@@飯田豪-j8r lel
2:59 ChrisHere: "Because you need to be HR 40 anyway to craft Teostra armor parts!"
Me at HR 20 with HR 50+ friends: "Post Teostra quest pls!"
So on the Chameleos Pro why are we using Rathalos Waist over the Anja Waist? The anja waist gives 2 extra 1 slots which while it wont increase dps, it would just give more area for Level 1 slots. And if you want that windproof. Thats a Level 1 slot. So essentially no matter how you cut it you get a net gain of atleast 1 one slot. I'm curious on the choice of Rath over Anja, if there is something I'm just not seeing.
You can make the pro chameleos build even with a lvl2 quick shealth and 2 lvl2 slot talisman ! Juste use the vaik mail and put the handicraft jewel and the quick shealth jewel !
I have a quick seath 3 charm, it's so useful for longswords builds
Very cool video guys. Well done.
bro that 3-2-1 slotted QS2 is a fuckin roll.
I wonder if your gonna make build videos with other weapons maybe when 3.0 comes out?
very good!
lol
In search of the 2 slot level 2 QS2, I found 1 slot 2 + 1 slot 3 + 2 QS2. That is the happiest moment in this month
Can we get a charge blade build? I want to see if my build can be compared to what you guys come up with
I have ditched using LS but this is still entertaining to watch
Dear TDS, I hope you would make a video about Serene Pose for LS hehe, because I feel like it's such an underrated part of the LS
It's iss but worse, only useful for wake-up
it's only good for wakeups, otherwise iai slash is just way better
I don't have that god charm, so I went ahead and made the Chameleos set with a Quick Sheathe 3 3-slot, and the Vaik chest instead of Barioth. The only thing you lose is the extra Handicraft.
Or, I just discovered you can have the same armor set and a Quick Sheathe 2 Crit Boost 1 no slot and all that is lost is the level of Handicraft.
I had a quick sheath 1, 2-2 charm so i changed the teostra coil with anja coil so i get 2 levels of attack boost and 2 extra single slots
My charm is Quicksheath 2: 2-2-0 so I can't fit in handicraft 3, I end up use chrome metal coil, Kadachi greaves. Drop all attacks to fit in Master Touch, I never have to worry about sharpness anymore, although it's like 20 less raw than I normal atk 5 build, but it really comfy and long-term dps is atleast the same: re-sharpen mid-battle really break the flow of combat, it took ~4s even with speed sharpening 3 - while this LS drop to green quite fast
納刀術2 3-2-1は神
Invisible blade actually awesome
太刀のアイコンええな
I hope Great Sword gets more options at the end of the month
You can do a Brutal Strike Resentment Rage Slash build lol
@@mastervixron already did xD it's definitely fun
I'm farming for the perfect Punishing Draw talisman now. I got a Punishing Draw 2 with a double two slot, but I'd love to get one with Slugger or Quick Sheath on the side too. I'm so greedy lmao. Rip Crit Draw
@@pumpkin7446 Nice XD and I got two of talismans with punishing draw, one of them has maxed out Punishing draw with with Part Breaker level 2 and I believe a two slot and the other one has Quick Sheath level 2 with Punishing draw level 1 and a level 3 slot and level 1 slot.
@@mastervixron omg the punishing draw and part breaker talisman would be a dream for me
I love for your guys builds make more lol !!
All my quick sheath level 2 talis only have small deco slots, RNG is cruel
I mean I dropped quick sheath entirely kept all the rest of the skills and got myself to attack boost 6
the Anja coil is a direct upgrade to the rathalos one.
Great video! Informative and funny! Lol
dat last helmbreaker... big oof
For tigrex build: the drop rate in damage between crit and non-crit is huge - after multiple testing I went for the safe zone ,, going up to 100% with Maximum Might 3 ,, and using only 1 critical boost
Overall skills would be
Crit eye 7 - Atk 4 - QS 3 - WE 3 - MM 3 - Spd sharp 3 - free meal 3 (for fun) - 1 crit boost
For that you need a charm with Quick Sheath 1 and 2 level 2 slots or better
You can change the rampage skill after upgrading to Tigrex LS. It will appear as an additional option on the weapon, you can change it back later. It'll still cost you the same monster parts though.
In fact, at 40 hits of white sharpness, razerSharp lv3 maybe performs better than handiCraft lv2 (btw idk if I spell these two words correctly, I'm not a native English speaker and I'm not playing the English version of MHR right now lol). Since when you hit with the sharpness saved by razerSharp, it could trigger razerSharp again (to my best memory, razerSharp lv3 has a 50% possibility not to decrease the sharpness), so basically at 40 hits of white sharpness razerSharp lv3 could offer you about 80 hits of white sharpness (based on how lucky you are)? Anyway, I agree with the builds in the video and I'm using them right now, I just wonder if the conclusion about comparing with razerSharp lv3 and handiCraft lv2 is correct.
I also have two builds that are extremely powerful and broken
1. Pick up a longsword
2. Pick up a different longsword
Bam, game busted right open.
Is windproof better than two single slots? If not, what benefit is the rathalos coil over anjanath coil? Anja would give you two more single slots. Albeit, slightly less defense.
Nice Video Guys👍
i just got a Quick Sheath lvl2 - Speed Sharpening 1 - 3 slot - 2 slot charm while watching this video whoop whoop!
Literally got that with 3 1 1 and I want to die
Full val chammy, qs2 wb1 321 slot. I've been rocking protective polish to boost dps
Can y’all also do a greatsword build video too?
The dps junkies will love these builds
Could you talk about hellfire cloak in a future video?
It seems like another way to get more damage when a monster is enraged but I'm really not sure if it would worth to run via decorations or the magnamalo armor.
Hellfire cloak just gives around 20-30 raw when the monster is enraged. Its basically agitator, but it uses a 3 slot so it isn't worth investing in. All of the special monster specific bonuses are pretty bad. Affinity skills, and critboost are always going to be meta.