Thanks for the detailed comparisons. One thing I want to mention is that the video bitrates listed in the menu are in Megabits (Mb) per second, so you have to divide that by 8 to get to MB (MegaBytes) per second.
Are you sure? Trying to record in XAVC S-I at 30 fps I inserted the PNY Elite x Pro 90 amzn.to/3twfhzS, which performs below advertised speed at a true writing speed of 148Mb/sec. The a6700 gave me a warning stating that this card does not have the performance to record in this mode.
@@ParadiseBizz Yeah. I'm using the A6700 with a samsung card that's not rated V60 or higher at the moment, so can only go up to the 45M settings on the XAVC HS 4K codec. Opening one of those video files on my computer shows a bitrate of around ~45Mbit/s. You can also check the file size, if the 600M bitrate option was truly 600MB/sec a 10 second recording for example should be around 6GB in size, or ~750MB in size if its 600Mbit. I don't know if the camera does some other checks in the background since I haven't been able to test it with a v90 card yet. Strictly looking at the bitrate it should be fast enough, but maybe it does some checks and/or has some safety margin to guarantee the minimum speed required.
Towards the end of this video, you present side by side comparisons of a few different video file formats and ask if they look the same. I think if you took that footage and cropped in to see the detail, you would likely see significant difference. Did you notice this?
Good morning Tim, the displayed footage is indeed already a 100% crop of each of the shots. Of course, the differences are more noticeable when you watch the unprocessed footage on your 4K monitor. But overall it is pretty similar. If you're not a filmmaker shooting a documentary you can easily opt in for the better recording time without a noticeable quality loss
This is a great comparison, thanks for posting!! I am using the Tilta fan and so far I have been able to shoot with XAVC-S 4k/30 (140mbps) until a 256 gig card runs out of space without overheating indoors (about 3 1/2 hours on a v60 card). I want to be able to leave it unattended to capture live music so a long runtime is extremely helpful.
That's a great result. Question: how did you attach the TILTA fan and how noisy is it? I don't know if you watched my ULANZI cooling fan review th-cam.com/video/8L30FyE4rqU/w-d-xo.html - I had quite a few issues with this one.
@@ParadiseBizz I did try the Ulanzi fan (and I did watch your review :) but it didn't want to stick, I tried hair ties and then thermal tape (I ripped off the suction cups which just didn't seem at all viable and didn't stick for me even with the surface tape they provided). Thermal tape actually worked ok, but then there is no way to close the screen without taking it off. I returned the smallrig cage I had tried and got the tilta cage which is basically the same price. The Tilta fan does not have its own battery which is a con, but the way it attaches to the tilca cage is really slick. It pulls out and down so that you can close the screen and then it will sit on top of the screen for storage. I don't have a V battery setup yet, just using a power bank to power the camera and fan. One of the smaller v battery setups would probably be ideal but also starting to get pretty bulky....
The Tilta fan is very quiet as far as I noticed, it did not seem particularly louder or quieter than the Ulanzi. Although to be fair for my main use case of live music I'm not at all concerned about the noise :)
Unfortunately SanDisk's advertised speed is false You can watch my SD card test: th-cam.com/video/Sko3g99w8wU/w-d-xo.html The Sandisc Extreme Pro V30 was advertised with 170Mb/sec, but reached only a true write speed of 84Mb/sec. You need at least a V60 card. This here would be sufficient for up to (real) 140 Mb/sec: amzn.to/3RwSAWk
@@ParadiseBizz I believe that is the old version. Sandisk recent released an updated one that they claim has a read speed of up to 200 MB/s and write up to 140 MB/s.
A friend of mine has this camera, and we're considering using it to record outdoor basketball on a tripod. We will need at least 60fps. Is there any resolution setting where we could set it to 60fps for more than 1 hour? Would 1080P allow this, as it looks like your video suggests this would not be possible at 4K.
The outside temperature plays a crucial part in your recording time. 1080p would let you record until your sd card fills up without overheating. In 4K your only chance is to used a cooling back: amzn.to/4bJiMEf - this is the new improved model. The previous one was not so great: th-cam.com/video/8L30FyE4rqU/w-d-xo.html
How can I upload xavc-s 4k files on my computer, it just plays a black screen with audio? DaVinci resolve? Also uploading times say about 2 days for uploading
I have heard that you can record super long in 1080p but I have to honestly tell you that I am not interested in 1080p. The development goes to 8K. So I won't do recording time tests on this.
for like lectures and community live streams would you topically record in 4k or 1080p i just thought for long form recording in 4k it might be tedious with how big the file sizes would be and for livestreams you'd hav to have the bandwidth for it aswell as the viewers would have to have the bandwidth to view it in that quality ?@@ParadiseBizz
i've been given a 5-10k budget for a inhouse production system for live streaming and taking photos for community events buti've gotten everything down from audio to tripods, and more but the camera im still on the fence on what i should get@@ParadiseBizz
So I’m confused. 1. The difference in file format is in post when grading not image quality 2. If you’re getting 1 hour of recording in 30p what’s the issue? That’s amazing for a small body in heat at 4k?
1) The different formats have differences in image quality, no matter how you want to follow up in post. It really depends on each filmmaker's needs. 2) One hour recording time may be sufficient for many people, but there are creators who are looking to buy a camera to film weddings or documentaries. For those users recording times are important. Look, I did not make this video to be negative about the Sony a6700. The intension was to inform people who are interested.
I am a bit confused. When you refer to the megabytes as streamingspeed, isnt that supposed to be said and read as megabits? If so ( and I think I am right), you will have to divide the numbers by 8 to get the right byte figures. Translated as 300 Mb/s equals 37,5 MB/s Notice the lower and upper b? Thats how to see if the figures are bits or bytes. Nice video though 😂
Klaus, ich danke Dir. Dass mir so ein Fehler unterlaufen ist! Natuerlich sind es Megabits, durch 8. Ich werde es in einer Anmerkung hier korrigieren. Nochmals VIELEN DANK!!!!
You're totally right, here on my color calibrated 4K monitor you can see a difference. BUT it is not severe and all the footage is usable, especially for a small creator like me.
I think when in doubt the 420 10 profiles are fine, Gerald undone said it was hardly noticeable and a decent option but how long would they last with before shutting down?
There really isn't any difference in the quality of all the examples to my untrained eye. The high quality settings are just too large and SD cards too expensive for most users.
Even for Pixelpeepers like me, sitting with reading glasses on a 4K monitor, the differences are minimal. I also decided to record mainly in XAVC S, which gives me good recording times without using too much storage
Great video👍. I learned like I watched a 2 hours video! Thank you.🍻
Thanks for watching and for taking the time to leave me a comment. Much appreciated.
Thanks for the detailed comparisons. One thing I want to mention is that the video bitrates listed in the menu are in Megabits (Mb) per second, so you have to divide that by 8 to get to MB (MegaBytes) per second.
Are you sure? Trying to record in XAVC S-I at 30 fps I inserted the PNY Elite x Pro 90 amzn.to/3twfhzS, which performs below advertised speed at a true writing speed of 148Mb/sec. The a6700 gave me a warning stating that this card does not have the performance to record in this mode.
@@ParadiseBizz Yeah. I'm using the A6700 with a samsung card that's not rated V60 or higher at the moment, so can only go up to the 45M settings on the XAVC HS 4K codec. Opening one of those video files on my computer shows a bitrate of around ~45Mbit/s. You can also check the file size, if the 600M bitrate option was truly 600MB/sec a 10 second recording for example should be around 6GB in size, or ~750MB in size if its 600Mbit.
I don't know if the camera does some other checks in the background since I haven't been able to test it with a v90 card yet. Strictly looking at the bitrate it should be fast enough, but maybe it does some checks and/or has some safety margin to guarantee the minimum speed required.
@@AirhostNL Thanks for sharing, I appreciate it
That's exactly what I wanted to mention... It's the average bit rate, not the minimum required byte rate.
Towards the end of this video, you present side by side comparisons of a few different video file formats and ask if they look the same. I think if you took that footage and cropped in to see the detail, you would likely see significant difference. Did you notice this?
Good morning Tim, the displayed footage is indeed already a 100% crop of each of the shots. Of course, the differences are more noticeable when you watch the unprocessed footage on your 4K monitor. But overall it is pretty similar. If you're not a filmmaker shooting a documentary you can easily opt in for the better recording time without a noticeable quality loss
This is a great comparison, thanks for posting!! I am using the Tilta fan and so far I have been able to shoot with XAVC-S 4k/30 (140mbps) until a 256 gig card runs out of space without overheating indoors (about 3 1/2 hours on a v60 card). I want to be able to leave it unattended to capture live music so a long runtime is extremely helpful.
That's a great result. Question: how did you attach the TILTA fan and how noisy is it? I don't know if you watched my ULANZI cooling fan review th-cam.com/video/8L30FyE4rqU/w-d-xo.html - I had quite a few issues with this one.
@@ParadiseBizz I did try the Ulanzi fan (and I did watch your review :) but it didn't want to stick, I tried hair ties and then thermal tape (I ripped off the suction cups which just didn't seem at all viable and didn't stick for me even with the surface tape they provided). Thermal tape actually worked ok, but then there is no way to close the screen without taking it off. I returned the smallrig cage I had tried and got the tilta cage which is basically the same price. The Tilta fan does not have its own battery which is a con, but the way it attaches to the tilca cage is really slick. It pulls out and down so that you can close the screen and then it will sit on top of the screen for storage. I don't have a V battery setup yet, just using a power bank to power the camera and fan. One of the smaller v battery setups would probably be ideal but also starting to get pretty bulky....
The Tilta fan is very quiet as far as I noticed, it did not seem particularly louder or quieter than the Ulanzi. Although to be fair for my main use case of live music I'm not at all concerned about the noise :)
@@KurtLauerman haha, that makes sense. It's more a problem in a quiet studio.
@@KurtLauerman Sounds like the much better design. I never liked the idea of not being able to close the screen.
Would a Sandisk v30 extreme pro sd card with up 140MB/s write speed be sufficient to record in 4k 100M mode?
Unfortunately SanDisk's advertised speed is false You can watch my SD card test: th-cam.com/video/Sko3g99w8wU/w-d-xo.html
The Sandisc Extreme Pro V30 was advertised with 170Mb/sec, but reached only a true write speed of 84Mb/sec.
You need at least a V60 card. This here would be sufficient for up to (real) 140 Mb/sec: amzn.to/3RwSAWk
@@ParadiseBizz I believe that is the old version. Sandisk recent released an updated one that they claim has a read speed of up to 200 MB/s and write up to 140 MB/s.
@@cbcsurvivalguide Download crystaldiskmark, buy a super fast card reader and test, you will see that their advertised speed is very optimistic
@@ParadiseBizz I will need to buy a new USB card reader. Mines are old and max out around 20 MB/s
@@cbcsurvivalguide This is the one to buy: amzn.to/3rdwFEV My video is here: th-cam.com/video/zDJx_sVgFpo/w-d-xo.html
A friend of mine has this camera, and we're considering using it to record outdoor basketball on a tripod. We will need at least 60fps. Is there any resolution setting where we could set it to 60fps for more than 1 hour? Would 1080P allow this, as it looks like your video suggests this would not be possible at 4K.
The outside temperature plays a crucial part in your recording time. 1080p would let you record until your sd card fills up without overheating. In 4K your only chance is to used a cooling back: amzn.to/4bJiMEf - this is the new improved model. The previous one was not so great: th-cam.com/video/8L30FyE4rqU/w-d-xo.html
How can I upload xavc-s 4k files on my computer, it just plays a black screen with audio? DaVinci resolve? Also uploading times say about 2 days for uploading
I would suggest to transfer the files connecting a USB-C cable to your PC, uploading takes way too long
You can not play or edit on DaVinci Resolve with this file format. You need DaVinci Studio (Paid) to edit.
@@indomitable_wot It is only $295, no subscription, free updates. Worth every Penny
Will this thing ever over heat on 1080p long form recordings?? i also wonder what quality is like on 1080p
I have heard that you can record super long in 1080p but I have to honestly tell you that I am not interested in 1080p. The development goes to 8K. So I won't do recording time tests on this.
for like lectures and community live streams would you topically record in 4k or 1080p i just thought for long form recording in 4k it might be tedious with how big the file sizes would be and for livestreams you'd hav to have the bandwidth for it aswell as the viewers would have to have the bandwidth to view it in that quality ?@@ParadiseBizz
i've been given a 5-10k budget for a inhouse production system for live streaming and taking photos for community events buti've gotten everything down from audio to tripods, and more but the camera im still on the fence on what i should get@@ParadiseBizz
@@mrzainozz1686 You're right, I did not consider live streams or online meetings. There is definitely a use case for 1080p
So I’m confused.
1. The difference in file format is in post when grading not image quality
2. If you’re getting 1 hour of recording in 30p what’s the issue? That’s amazing for a small body in heat at 4k?
1) The different formats have differences in image quality, no matter how you want to follow up in post. It really depends on each filmmaker's needs.
2) One hour recording time may be sufficient for many people, but there are creators who are looking to buy a camera to film weddings or documentaries.
For those users recording times are important.
Look, I did not make this video to be negative about the Sony a6700. The intension was to inform people who are interested.
@@ParadiseBizz thanks! For travel video and personal use seems like a good system
@@ParadiseBizz sorry I wasn’t being contradictory- loved the video and the tests. Great job 👏🏼
@@jaymills1720 Absolutely, the a6700 is a really well rounded camera for hybrid shooters.
@@jaymills1720 Thank you
hi sir, im planning to maybe record at tops 5 mins each video, this camera will be good for that right? nothing really long maximum 5 minute vidoes.
You won't have any issues if you set the TEMP setting in your camera to HIGH
I am a bit confused.
When you refer to the megabytes as streamingspeed, isnt that supposed to be said and read as megabits?
If so ( and I think I am right), you will have to divide the numbers by 8 to get the right byte figures.
Translated as 300 Mb/s equals 37,5 MB/s
Notice the lower and upper b?
Thats how to see if the figures are bits or bytes.
Nice video though 😂
Klaus, ich danke Dir. Dass mir so ein Fehler unterlaufen ist! Natuerlich sind es Megabits, durch 8. Ich werde es in einer Anmerkung hier korrigieren. Nochmals VIELEN DANK!!!!
@@ParadiseBizz You are welcome.
I lreally like the video though.
Very nice grading
@@skatter3112 Thanks for watching and for taking the time to leave me a comment. Much appreciated.
how horrible is horrible on standard compared to the other option? 4.5 min to 19.5 is big diff.
It's really not that bad. But the H264 has a larger file size and needs more MB.
i couldn't tell the difference. i guess watching on youtube vs watching your original file would be a more fair comparsion on a large 4k tv
You're totally right, here on my color calibrated 4K monitor you can see a difference. BUT it is not severe and all the footage is usable, especially for a small creator like me.
Great examples! Thanks!
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I think when in doubt the 420 10 profiles are fine, Gerald undone said it was hardly noticeable and a decent option but how long would they last with before shutting down?
I leave my settings at XAVC S 4K 30fps, this get's the job done
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There really isn't any difference in the quality of all the examples to my untrained eye. The high quality settings are just too large and SD cards too expensive for most users.
Even for Pixelpeepers like me, sitting with reading glasses on a 4K monitor, the differences are minimal. I also decided to record mainly in XAVC S, which gives me good recording times without using too much storage
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@@ParadiseBizz Thank you. Much appreciated.
@@ParadiseBizz Sounds like a good solution.
@@WilliamHenryAlbert I enjoy your footage. Which lenses are you mainly using?