@Krashs I don't try to take his words out of context, nor do I strawman him. I just get razzed by his approach on how he presents his sponsors, it looks like the emotions in his demeanor turns to plastic and porcelain and his joints get slightly tighter, like there almost robotic, subtle but not enough to be obvious. ................................................................. I don't hate linus, however I do admit I get way to worked up by his sponsoring mode. ................................................................. I can't say that I'm comfortable nor supportive of what seems to be his new found shadow banning desire, it definitely feels like a form of censorship, like what are the boundaries, is criticism banned? or just hurtful speechs, but what is criticism, okay fine, then lets say its super obvious, like there's no criticism being aimed at a topic and its JUST hurtful words, then thats easier to accept. however I feel that shadow banning is somewhat of a slope, like it becomes easier and easier to a point where one might accidentally snap someone in the shadow realm of the hushed who was just voicing how he disagrees with something he said, and something to happen like not getting remorseful for accidentally snapping someone who didn't deserve getting shadow snapped opens the window of the possibility of maybe wanting to do it on purpose next time. ................................................................. what I'm also worried about is that I might get shadow banned for making this comment, because its like this, nobody likes ducktape being placed over there mouth, and shadow banning would definitely silence anyone who is hit by it, and if I get a target painted on me for having expressed criticism thats somewhat uncomfortable in the feels department, yeah, I would say I'm a little lot worried, I felt I must worry that any of my criticism that might come off as harsh, unpleasant or uncomfortable might eventually land me in the shadow realm of the hushed. but it seems like he reversed course on shadow banning, but I was definitely more worried and uncomfortable about posting my thoughts until seeing this time part 0:20 to 0:49 of this video, seeing that really did put me in a more comfortable state of mind, and am thankful he clarified that and more thankful I was able to discover this video that shows him clarifying it. anywho, live long in purpose and prosper in contentment.
5:37 The really greasy thing about the rise of the unboxing embargo is that NVIDIA altered the deal so that outlets like Gamers Nexus, who just don't do unboxings ever, couldn't repurpose it to be a teardown embargo. Because they were able to do that when the concept of an unboxing embargo first became a thing, but then tearing the card apart became part of the review embargo instead.
@@steve_1507 Most scammers come from very poor countries where scamming just a handful of English speaking people a month of a few hundred dollars is more than enough for them to live comfortably and if they get better at scamming they can live like kings.
This is why you have mods that are not you. They need to be outside of the personal. Most of those instances you were talking about are pointless to engage in, it's like arguing with a drunk person at 2am, you will just go around in circles with no resolution.
that dude wants to shadowbn people for having an opinion, or god forbid, are uninformed or just mistaken in what they say. someone like that should never be entrusted with such power.
I really feel this. Far too many people start from a misconception and really dig in if you try to correct the misconception. Occasionally we're able to meet in the middle, but far too often things just keep getting hotter until one of us breaks off. The unfortunate flip side of this is discussion-fatigue. At some point you start expecting poorly thought out comments and lash out at people who don't deserve it. Now you're the guy doing exactly the thing you were so upset about. I've been on both sides of this (sorry anyone I've unintentionally lashed out at!) and it sucks. I really do think this is a challenge of internet communication. It's too impersonal at too large of a scale. The way we humans are designed to interact just doesn't work. I don't know what the solution is -- and I'm fairly certain there are no _easy_ solutions -- but I hope we figure it out at some point.
@user-yt1kr1tb2m you realize you are on a channel that openly advertises their forum page where there are hundreds of users happy to help you with whatever issue you have?
@@NeonVisual oh i have so many times i lose count lol at this point it seems like a losing battle since youtube is super slow to remove these accounts so even if we all successfully flag one, i'm sure a bunch others pop up right after.
I think it ultimately boils down to there just isn't a code of conduct for online interaction because the internet was -- or maybe still is -- the wild west of discourse. Can you honestly go into a public space and scream something like "I WANT TO RAPE THE LITTLE GIRL ON "SPY FAMILY"" out loud and expect people to just be fine with it? No, you wouldn't. You also wouldn't intrude on a conversation somebody is having with their friends or co-workers yet nothing is stopping you from doing so online. I think there isn't something we can do to fix that online discourse, but we can change how we as individuals respond to it. For example, I decided to just put my thoughts out there and if anybody feels the need to tell me how wrong I am or how dumb I am I will not engage. If they take that as a "win", I just shrug and go, "All right, you get nothing for that win that I wasn't even competing for but good for you I guess." And if I want to engage, it's because I am getting something out of it. Another example, I want to feel like my feedback in games is being heard, so I post on a Steam page made by the developers and I respond to the developers and only them. If anybody else besides the developer responds to my feedback, I purposely ignore them because that feedback was not meant for them, it was meant for somebody else. Going back to that point earlier about somebody intruding on a conversation with a friend or coworker: yes, the forum is a "public place" but so is a food court at a mall but I don't see anybody getting into heated discussions with strangers after passing by. The same attitude is applied on that Steam page example, only now I have the added benefit of not having that person in my space. I know this doesn't help Linus, but maybe for somebody like yourself going through discussion fatigue, it helps knowing that at the end of the day not only is that person refusing to meet you at the table not worth your time but they can easily go back to being nonexistent again very easily just by doing nothing.
I'd like them to say straight out on Short Circuit videos for unboxings and such "THIS IS NOT A REVIEW" as the first thing to shut down nutjobs that don't know the difference.
10:30 the “playing chess against a pigeon” analogy works really well here. The usual answer is to just shoo the bird away or realize action is pointless and walk away.
This kind of topic has really gotten to me in my professional life. Working in a STEM field and dealing with all the constant misinformation and bad faith arguments gets discouraging. It's bad enough that it's affected some of my advisors and colleagues as well. It really takes the passion out of research
@Stuart Fury modern medicine and "science" isn't really medicine and science anymore. Hard facts and logic has been replaced by feelings and a cultlike personality usually found in things like Religion. Remember when questions were encouraged during the scientific process?
@@stuartfury3390 Its a lot more than that though. This quite literally impacts discussions around publishing, funding, enrollment, and even choice of project. The people approving grants or budgets are the very same people reading the misinformation and using bad faith arguments. Look no further than how many states treat their teaching budgets and curriculum. STEM budgets are no different, just get a lot less media attention.
@@Gurziak You said a lot of words that show nothing more than your lack of understanding of how science works in 2023. Have you actually spent time working with researchers or stepped foot in a lab? I've worked and studied in them for nearly a decade and never encountered anything like that. Feelings and personality have never trumped data in any conference or research presentation I have seen. Typically its quite the opposite, where the emotional impact of the data is what's missing and leads people to underestimate the severity of that data.
@Jon Dubois I have, and the fact that you immediately assumed otherwise and proceeded to talk down to me like I am a child shows where you fall on the issue. Quite sad. It's people like you who are holding science back and why so many people have major distrust in modern science and medicine but I'm sure you will just double down on your holier than thou stance and assume everyone else is wrong. It's ok Principal Skinner. 👍
I do wish the LMG titles were a bit more closely related to the videos though, if for no other reason than the number of times I've shared a video with my friends which talks about something I think they'll find interesting but the title makes it seem like something completely different. For example, just the other day I shared the video talking about different Windows power tools with the group (cos we'd talked about PowerToys a few weeks before) but I got ribbed for sharing a "Windows is great" video (as somebody who's been highly critical of their dismissal of Windows in the past) without actually watching it. If it's been clearer it was about the cool tools, I think more of them would have actually watched it!
I have found myself on multiple occasions passing over a video in my notification box because it looks like something I would never be interested in and later watching it in a content drought and finding out the actual content hidden behind the title was great.
My mom had a writing teacher that said that if you ever made something of yourself, someone will always disagree or oppose you. Though the "focus on the positive" approach might just work better in person than on the internet, where online things are far more directed.
I envy how you two guys are able to put this kind of things into perspective. BTW, the line between nurturing a community and feeding the trolls is quite slim 🤓
A good way to respond is to make regular, polished videos responding to the most common/aggravating comments -- it allows you show off your internal processes more and dispel misconceptions.
Somewhere around 10:30, you said something like "it's hard to argue with someone that exists on a different plane of reality," this is so true. These people say all the high and mighty stuff about how you're wrong, but can't prove it with a piece of evidence. The only reasoning they have is their mind, which as we have already established, exists on a different plane of reality.
I like the deeper level content if that's any consolation. People that are obsessed with trying to find things which are wrong can wear me down too. My best advice is just find something which makes you happy and distract yourself. Maybe that's avoiding the problem, but it generally works for me and overtime I've gotten better at it.
Deeper level content is definitely good. The surface level content attracts the people that scroll TikTok for half their day, but the deeper content is what keeps people that actually care around.
keep open a bounty for wrong comments. Advertise that if you can actually point out something wrong, you can apply at this google forms and tell them how wrong they were and that they're willing to film a demo for a bounty of 2k, surely it's worth the time.
i never saw the linus reversing course the next lan show. i whatch most of the clips from this channel and not the wan show. i’m happy you did reverse course because the fear of being shadow bans is annoying. if there a ban system like twitch that would be preferred.
So long as you don't present any bad faith arguments Linus won't do it, he wouldn't be able to bring himself to do it. It's just the people that say they can get the same screwdriver on AliExpress for $5 or similar completely provably false statements.
Also, maybe you could consider banning people, and have a forum thread which contains a list of the banned people and the reasons you have banned them - then you can remove horrid people from the community without being accused of covering up or trying to hide something.
Linus, a good example of the sports thing was figure skating. Compare how energetic some of them look at events most of the time to how creepy and unenthusiastic some of the events looked during the pandemic when the stands were either empty or filled with posterboard figurres.
Personally I think the people who don't add any value to the community who are also just being downright offensive should be shadow banned. The people whose sole purpose is to offend the creator when they can just as easily click off the video and move on with their day, they're the ones who don't deserve the attention from the rest of the community. The other way to look at this is that when people are offensive, abusive, rude etc, the backlash and harassment they get from the hard-core viewer can be quite brutal. They get attacked to the point where it could cause problems for them as a person and be construed as cyber bullying. Those are the people who need to just be banned. No questions asked, just hit that button and move on with your day
I'm a designer, and have worked for companies with 3k+ employees in very senior roles, and you'll never quite get used to the criticism and challenges when you know its wrong, evidentially so. I've had situations where we split tested things against me and my teams judgement, theirs lost (badly, like £50k+ revenue a DAY badly) but we still went with it because it was their want and they "felt" it was better. A lot of people won't change their mind just because facts are presented sadly, and the skill is learning to just mentally go "yeah alright whatever" when it's ultimately not going to effect you or the people you care about. You have to learn to pick your battles and on which hill die on if purely for your own mental health. Very much easier said than do though i know.
I thought at first the driver was a little pricy but then I realized how good the price actually is compared to other drivers. Idk about the backpack tho. Can't really say for sure on that one.
"Sorry, I can't talk right now 'cause someone on the internet is wrong!" Man, is it hard to just let it go when you're in a passionate, sometimes angry discussion. Online and IRL. You know that it's not worth it to argue with an idiot, but it's almost impossible to let it go if it's something you're passionate about.
I think you should for people who are just overall being toxic but not for people who just overall have disagreements over the tech otherwise it risks becoming like social media where if you have the wrong opinion you get banned
@linus Here is my advice. As a 30 year old guy who has been an off and on 4chan user since middle school there are only 2 ways to fight a bad faith argument if you want to keep an open communication platform. 1. You just ignore it. 2. You do everything in your power to completely prove them wrong and set them up to where anything they say makes them look like an idiot.
It's certainly a hard lesson for everyone to learn, especially in this day and age of instant opinions and responses with no thought behind the decision to respond at all. Either don't feed the trolls or you feed them so hard they explode and everyone can see they were full of shit. Of course not everyone has the time or the patience to do so. And really, Linus' biggest mistake was publicly announcing he was shadowbanning people. When there's a stream going on there's not much else you can do if they're shitting up the chat. Despite his biases and shortcomings I overall trust Linus' judgement to ban the actual trolls vs those just disagreeing with him.
100%. Or any place in-between really. "Everything in your power" is a lot. You can ignore it, you can reply with some counter-facts, you can continue replying to the disputations etc. At some point you need to trust that people reading will be convinced by your replies or not have believed the original assertions. I feel this should be intuitive.
I've experienced this. The only time I've "won" an argument on the internet is when I got so many facts that I turned my opponent's argument against them.
You've hit the nail on the head with limited accountability of the internet mixed with a lack of knowledge. Even when you are right, you can still not win.
The only way to manage a community like youtube (coming from my experience with game dev, where again you have a huge number of people with incredably critical negative opinions that you arent allowed to respond to) is to actively moderate and be tough about it. Every person with an overly rude post that goes unmoderated is an example to the thousands of people that sees their post, that that kind of content is ok here. And then it gets worse and worse. You feel mean doing it, and with a small community a manager can go around warning and reminding people to keep it civil, but in large audiences you just gotta hit the nuke button and cull people the second they step over a pretty fucking restrictive line. Temporary bans (with an automated warning to the user) is probably the most fair way to do it on youtube, if that is even possible.
I think the saying is if you plant flowers you get flowers, if you plant weeds you get weeds, If you plant nothing you get weeds. It is important to actively root out bad behaviour before it reaches a critical mass where it chokes out positive behaviour.
@@alainportant6412 It's like playing with wildfire. Look at litterally any bad game launch, and look at the way people talk about the communications from the community moderator. If people are upset, they will find and focus on the perceived negative parts of your response. Even if you have a flawless, accurate and well meaning response, it will still be received negatively. Negative sentiment in the community is like a tidal wave, once enough of it starts moving, they take the whole community along for the ride. I've worked for studios in the past that have really positive communities, where completely out of the blue one day a few core members of a discord decide that they dont like your historical record at fixing bugs, and now for 2 weeks you have your whole discord up in arms. If you defend, you're just trying to cover your ass. If you promise updates and fixes, you're lieing. If you actually push out patches (and they miraculessly are bug free dispite the rush) you will be acused of not trying hard enough. When communities get worked up about stuff, they as a singular entity, cannot be reasoned with. Its a scary force of nature. Best left to calm down.
12:10 they are actually INCORRECT. In my opinion the real key is "don't engage when your upset". Engage with them and spit facts. If anything starts to bother or effect you, id disengage.
Ban evasion, if you know you've been banned then you can just make another account to keep posting. Shadow banning means you either never find out, or figure out much later you were shadowbanned and gives some sort of break from any harassment to the creator.
@@truehackerproduction I still dont think a person should have some sort of restriction on their account without being notified. If someone wants to restrict a key feature of youtube to someone they should know about it.
The algorithm is bad because I keep saying don’t recommend these channels but it just keeps on recommending them what the hell am I supposed to do if it doesn’t even work…
When I watch a video and end up not liking it I immediately delete it from my watch history. I have found this helps a lot with not being recommended similar videos. There’s always the possibility I’m imagining it though lol.
Linus said recently he doesn't watch youtube videos, and he is confused by why someone would want faster more bite sized easy to digest "reviews" rather than a deep analysis.... We all have limited time.
Whenever you see another comment like those you discussed here, think of me. I like to watch your video's both more funny and more in-depth, and really appreciate the work you put in all of them (congrats to the cameracrew and editors btw to make it look polished). The LMG transparancy and way of working is also really inspiring. But I'm not alone. I am sure there are a lot more people who feel the same! But we don't comment that often. No news is good news. But maybe we should step out more often, to let you know you're still doing awesome work. Let this be my New Year-resolution.
I agree with everything. Except the part of us posting our praises. Watching a comment section full of "Great video" comments, is really cringeworthy. Especially, when every video on a channel looks like that.
@@soul0360 There is no need to put "Great video" under everything. You can give some positive feedback on something new, or some things you would change in the format, phrased in a constructive way. The comment section doesn't have to be blend and boring. You can spread positivity in many ways :D
The inevitable outcome is Linus shadowbanning comments that disagree with him only for him to find out later on that some of those people were right and he was wrong. Linus has had more bad takes than anyone in this industry. Sometimes he walks them back and sometimes he doesn’t. Linus needs to realize this is the internet and he needs to not let bad (but not blatantly offensive) comments bother him. Keep scrolling and you’ve effectively personally shadowbanned the comment since you won’t see it again.
I usually impulse click your content because it is usually good and thoughtful. Then I usually bail early or ignore the bad stuff, like unboxing. I guess you could justify the thoughtful Abe harder content to keep people’s expectations higher
If people get worried they will be shadowbanned, they will just check and see if their comment is actually visible. So it ultimately accomplishes the same thing as just deleting the post, leading them to think they must be right or you wouldn't have tried to silence them. Unless their comment gets a lot of upvotes, just ignore it. If they do get a bunch of upvotes, then explain why they're wrong.
I really like that rule about not making your audience the butt of the joke (ok that's not exactly the rule as read but it's the example you used). Not making categories of people the butt of the joke (though making fun of individual people [eg Bezos] is different) is like THE one big step for inclusive content, and what certain ageing comedians (you know the ones I'm talking about) don't realise is the reason nobody wants to watch their stuff anymore. If you can get your point across without making a category of people the butt of the joke, your content is almost always going to be better. Sorry this ramble probably wasn't very clear, but I hope you get the general gist of what I'm saying at least and that it's supportive of your stance ❤
i have a problem with you using comedians as an example though. Comedians... or atleast a good edgy comedian shall we say, should make a joke about everyone. If a comedian is making constant jokes about everyone then it shows they have a problem. But if a comedian is making jokes out of everyone then its clear they are pointing flaws at all people not a certain set of people. Jimmy Carr is a great example. He takes the piss out of everyone, everyone is fair game. Comedy is comedy for a reason, everyone has different styles and tastes. Just becuase you dont like a certain taste thats not the comedians problem thats your problem, you go watch a different comedian. i will watch mine. Comedy is like art, its subjective. 30 years ago almost every comedian would never have a job if they worked in the present day. Comedy should be taken lightly becuase its just comedy. Everyone can be offended at any kind of joke and if we shout out at comedians becuase everyone takes offense comedy would be and is a dying art.
@@ashleygoggs5679 The reason I said "certain ageing comedians" is because there's a certain subset of comedians who were popular 1-3 decades ago whose main act was "Look at this minority group. Aren't they so weird? That's funny!" These same comedians are complaining now that the "woke police" have come after them just because modern audiences don't find them funny anymore. Because we live in a more tolerant society where "somebody is different" isn't actually a punchline, it's just a thing. It's lazy comedy and people are turning away from it because it's lazy and boring. It's harder to make a joke that doesn't lean on those lazy topics, but the jokes you make when you put that effort in are, generally speaking, just better jokes!
@@Respectable_Username actually thats not correct at all. If you dont like it thats fair enough. Comedians just dont like being told what is and isnt funny. Everyone has their own tastes. For you tp say x comedian isnt funny, and yet i find him hilarious thats dosnt make them a bad comedian it makes them a comedian thag dosnt fit your taste. Its literally as simple as that. Just because you dont like their style or what they say dosnt give you a right to shut a comedian down and ruin my entertainment. Comedians are comedians you should know what your getting with them, if you dont like a certain comedian yet continue to watch their art then thats a you problem not them.
I actually didn’t know the screwdrivers were made locally. My only issue with them is the price is in USD when it’s Canadian manufacturing and you are based in Canada. Why charge Canadians USD pricing? It’s a HUGE deterrent for supporting local. If I’m going to spend $100 CAD on a tool, it’s going to be something that I trust and has a warranty that I know will always be honoured. I’d rather support float plane than pay $100 for a screwdriver.
WWE had that ingenious idea of having live TV screens all around the stadium. It's a shame most sports didn't use the same idea. Would have been fantastic for the players and the audience
I always find it crazy hearing people referencing small percentages - it is crazy how often missed that 1% of the worlds population is still 70 million people - this is significant regardless of how small the percentage is.
Never forget that people only watch the "shallow" content only because your brand has proven itself to also create high quality content. Just focussing on short-circuit videos because they're more efficient would work for a while, but not in the long term. When doing tech talks, I tend to include code slides. I lose 90% of the audience during those slides, but when talking about it with the audience, they almost universally say it lends your credit, just the willingness of putting your own code out there to be viewed gives your the credit you need for them to pay attention to what you're saying in the rest of the slides. Ultimately labs will have the same problems. Lots of data and tech details, 10% is gonna read and ingest it and those 10% will advocate for you to the other 90% who will take their word for it and watch more shallow content with more trust and confidence in it.
Its sad and funny at the same time seeing that this is an issue for some people. One of my biggest personal draws to LTT and the store is the amount of transparency the channel and store has. Shadow banning is a tricky situation, these people sound like the flat earthers of the tech world.
The best disinfectant for toxic ideas is the sun. If there's someone or some message so bad that shouldn't be just skipped, bring it to light, poke fun at it, show how useless/dumb it is, making it clear that that's not constructive, improving the conversation as a whole.
Something to keep in mind is that a lot of people just wanna see the new card even thought they already have a good one. Making the review if it launches as a second video a lot less enticing as you know already some of the stuff you wanted to know and you aren't intrested in the review comparison as you already have a good one
12:39 it’s important to note that just because someone sees you as something doesn’t make you that thing. I get that feeling, like you gotta defend yourself but the truth is: is that they aren’t talking about you rather their interpretation of you. Don’t live as interpretation of an interpretation.
Keep doing what you're doing and continue looking forward. I love your content, the way you do things, and I get where your opinions come from, even when they (very rarely) turn out to be incorrect. As for the people who don't know what they're talking about, complaining about things that never happened, or blaming you for someone else's mistakes - it just goes to show how much you've done. The more you do, the more audience you have, the more people with straight up dumb or unsupported opinions turn up. Some of those people come once and go, never to be seen again. Some of them are fans of other tech channels, or are just plain haters or don't know what they're doing or saying. TLDR; I support what you do and how you do it. People will say dumb things without fact-checking, but unsupported opinions and heckles don't matter.
Yeah, but a new viewer doesn't know that and people sometimes can be dumb, we humans are way more suceptible to dumb mistakes than we would like to admit. Even just by the influence of being a bit hungry or sligthly distracted or a little angry can make us ignore obvious things.
I feel like most of the bad faith arguments can be summed up as people dedicating their time to misunderstanding you and wanting to be listened to by anyone they can get to do so.
The best "shadowbanning" I've seen in the wild was in a forum. Before a comment was made public, an algorithm checked the sentiment. If it was bad or spam, the user had to solve a captcha. But now the important part: The probability of the site refusing the captcha solution was proportional to the probability that the comment was nasty, and had nothing to do with the actual solution. This lead to trolls getting incredibly frustrated over time and at some point gave up.
one good thing about review embargo is that the reviewers have time to test and make a good review, and not just a some reviews that are rushed and full errors just so they can be first.
Once knew someone who'd argue with you no matter what. If you said the sky was blue she'd say it wasn't. If you proved her wrong she'd call you dumb for not saying she was right.
I've been watching LTT and commenting for years since childhood. It makes me happy that he has probably read some of my comments but at the same time I hope he hasn't saw some of my earlier one's.
if someone is telling you that they can get it cheaper someone else. They are not likely to be a customer in the first place. So they really are not worth the time.
The people who made the negative comments have probably moved on to making other negative comments on other channels and don't even remember the negativity they gave you after a month or two. Ask yourself, if they met you face to face do you think you would get the same treatment from them?
Funny you mention that, another youtuber I follow made a video today about how he has people that message him at minimum 10 times a week just to tell him how much of a piece of shit he apparently is. There's people out there that are obsessed losers that don't have much going on for them, and instead of fixing it they take it out on others... it's getting worse these days.
Linus, you should try uploading bite sized reviews to Short Circuit alongside the full length LTT channel vid. In 5 minutes or less, give me a breakdown of the new card and how it compares. Then funnel viewers to the full length vid for more info.
Well that is something I didn't know... The molding happened in British Columbia! Yes I saw Linus playing with the machines(and I was eating snacks awaiting for him to drop more items...), but I thought he travelled to China. So my screwdriver is Canadian? Also I will call out Luke on laughing like Goofy...
I'm an Industrial Quality Analyst. That screwdriver guy, good grief. We have a really bad habit societally of buying the cheapest crap possible instead of spending a little more on something that will last and serve you well, but come on dude. Maybe in 50 to 100 years when our manufacturing abilities improve significantly, we can make LTT screwdrivers for $10, but not now even in your dreams. But to everyone else, I HIGHLY encourage you to spend a little extra on stuff when you can, treat it like an investment. Buy the $40 Japanese gooseneck kettle instead of the $20 Chinese one. The $70 screwdriver instead of the $10 one. $150 PSU instead of the $50 one. It will save you money in the long run. President Jeanne Perreault of Rivier College said before, "We cannot afford to purchase equipment and buildings at the lowest price. We have to be careful." Remember that, you cannot afford the cheapest price.
I'm an Industrial Engineer and would agree up to certain point. Of course buying the cheapest most of the time will mean bad quality, but how high should you go in price and still have gains? I believe that LTT scrwedriver is an overkill and would never recommend someone spend that much money on that screwdriver, because there are many good brands at 1/3 of the cost that will exceed what people need on a screwdriver. It depends what you are looking for.... do you need a car because you need to go to point A to point B? You shouldn't buy the cheapest, but you clearly don't need a Ferrari. I'm not saying LTT screwdriver shouldn't exist, but is it worth paying for most of us? I don't think so, just the same as Ferraris.
I think you got it a bit backwards, Linus. The audience _is_ to blame but not for what you said. Their short attention span is their fault. The fact that they will rush out to buy something day one without knowing anything about it and thus demand reviews be made ahead of time--is also their fault. But the algorithm makes things like this even worse. By appealing to the lowest of the lows, the absolute most worthless opinions (IE: the masses) everyone else suffers. Content gets more rushed (to meet faster and faster deadlines), more controversial (to stir up more drama and views) and more clickbaity. All to get those sweet, sweet views. This turns away good viewers, or worse, mutates them into bad ones. The explanation is that we live in a world where the customer doesn't matter anymore. The only one who matters is the braid dead zombie masses. They may not even _buy_ a product. But they click on stuff and clicks earn money. So TH-cam promotes and brutally *enforces* the idea of appealing to the groaning walking dead we call modern humans. Humans may be bad, but we're making them worse than they need to be. We no longer need or want to think for ourselves. The corporations have infected our society and we can't stop the hoards from rushing the gates every time fresh blood appears. Giving in is our fault as well, but the issue is the overwhelming odds and the distinct lack of flamethrowers to **ah hem** address the problem.
I didnt put too much though into it, but you could make a section on the website that has all the stupid deleted comments, it would be a way to make it always transparent and also not affect people that dont want to specifically see those
Y'all need to re-read "The design of everyday things". If people misunderstand an unboxing as a review, it's not their fault. If the number is small enough, no need to worry. If it's larger, then look inwards not outwards, and change something to communicate better.
As a salesperson when someone says I can get cheap crap cheaper I go that's nice I will see you in a couple of years when it fails to buy a proper machine.
Here's the deal, I trust Linus to try to do the right thing for his audience. And that extends to when he gets something a little wrong; he'll correct himself. When Linus is torn about something, then you know that it's a difficult topic and you, yourself can use your own best judgement/opinion. But also allow Linus to have his own opinion on said difficult topic. Time and time again Linus has demonstrated that, sort of, unwritten social contract. 👍
Totally agree. And it's the same I'm looking for in others to find my guidance. But there are some bigger underlining problems here.. As I see it, the deeper issue is in how many people in our modern societies choose to consume media and how little guidance many have to sort between fact and fiction. Media now has to be quick and it has to be entertainment. To further open up the problem.. Maybe, the 'bad apples' (both in terms of the ones in front of the camera and the ones at the keyboard) has always been there and now they have a place to speak/yell out loud with no further problems.. Maybe we also totally forgot along the way, that we are communicating with other people who are looking at what we are writing or saying. In general, this has fed right into a much more scary tendency of people not listening and understanding what is being projected and more over, the algorithms/the viewers are now more looking towards who can project entertainment than who actually has knowledge upon the subject as an 'expert' or as someone who has taken on knowledge or experience of the subject. I most underline, I'm not trying to push the blame on anyone or saying that we should be oppressing opinions or freedom of speech, but we need to figure out a way to make it a sustainable conversation and not just a yelling contest with bad arguments.
"Uh oh, Jimbo, looks like you're going to the shadow realm!"
“Oh it’s just down the street!”
@Sheela Gaming no, perish
Jibo
@Krashs
I don't try to take his words out of context, nor do I strawman him.
I just get razzed by his approach on how he presents his sponsors, it looks like the emotions in his demeanor turns to plastic and porcelain and his joints get slightly tighter, like there almost robotic, subtle but not enough to be obvious.
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I don't hate linus, however I do admit I get way to worked up by his sponsoring mode.
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I can't say that I'm comfortable nor supportive of what seems to be his new found shadow banning desire, it definitely feels like a form of censorship,
like what are the boundaries, is criticism banned? or just hurtful speechs, but what is criticism,
okay fine, then lets say its super obvious, like there's no criticism being aimed at a topic and its JUST hurtful words, then thats easier to accept.
however I feel that shadow banning is somewhat of a slope, like it becomes easier and easier to a point where one might accidentally snap someone in the shadow realm of the hushed who was just voicing how he disagrees with something he said,
and something to happen like not getting remorseful for accidentally snapping someone who didn't deserve getting shadow snapped opens the window of the possibility of maybe wanting to do it on purpose next time.
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what I'm also worried about is that I might get shadow banned for making this comment, because its like this, nobody likes ducktape being placed over there mouth, and shadow banning would definitely silence anyone who is hit by it,
and if I get a target painted on me for having expressed criticism thats somewhat uncomfortable in the feels department, yeah, I would say I'm a little lot worried,
I felt I must worry that any of my criticism that might come off as harsh, unpleasant or uncomfortable might eventually land me in the shadow realm of the hushed.
but it seems like he reversed course on shadow banning, but I was definitely more worried and uncomfortable about posting my thoughts until seeing this time part 0:20 to 0:49 of this video, seeing that really did put me in a more comfortable state of mind, and am thankful he clarified that and more thankful I was able to discover this video that shows him clarifying it.
anywho, live long in purpose and prosper in contentment.
5:37 The really greasy thing about the rise of the unboxing embargo is that NVIDIA altered the deal so that outlets like Gamers Nexus, who just don't do unboxings ever, couldn't repurpose it to be a teardown embargo. Because they were able to do that when the concept of an unboxing embargo first became a thing, but then tearing the card apart became part of the review embargo instead.
@Sheela Gaming is a fake account selling crypto scam coins
@@DailyCorvid how? By a message complaining about their spam software not working
@@steve_1507 If you were able to discern that, it wasn't for you. They're just looking for marks.
@@steve_1507 Most scammers come from very poor countries where scamming just a handful of English speaking people a month of a few hundred dollars is more than enough for them to live comfortably and if they get better at scamming they can live like kings.
"Pray they do not alter it any further..."
This is why you have mods that are not you. They need to be outside of the personal. Most of those instances you were talking about are pointless to engage in, it's like arguing with a drunk person at 2am, you will just go around in circles with no resolution.
Linus takes everything very personally. He's in his late 30's, he's not gonna change.
Yeah but Linus is a man child he doesn’t have the discipline to not engage.
that dude wants to shadowbn people for having an opinion, or god forbid, are uninformed or just mistaken in what they say. someone like that should never be entrusted with such power.
I really feel this. Far too many people start from a misconception and really dig in if you try to correct the misconception. Occasionally we're able to meet in the middle, but far too often things just keep getting hotter until one of us breaks off.
The unfortunate flip side of this is discussion-fatigue. At some point you start expecting poorly thought out comments and lash out at people who don't deserve it. Now you're the guy doing exactly the thing you were so upset about. I've been on both sides of this (sorry anyone I've unintentionally lashed out at!) and it sucks.
I really do think this is a challenge of internet communication. It's too impersonal at too large of a scale. The way we humans are designed to interact just doesn't work. I don't know what the solution is -- and I'm fairly certain there are no _easy_ solutions -- but I hope we figure it out at some point.
@user-yt1kr1tb2m you realize you are on a channel that openly advertises their forum page where there are hundreds of users happy to help you with whatever issue you have?
@@musek5048 its a scam bot. report it
@@NeonVisual oh i have so many times i lose count lol at this point it seems like a losing battle since youtube is super slow to remove these accounts so even if we all successfully flag one, i'm sure a bunch others pop up right after.
Wow I've never heard this feeling/observation put into words so well. I totally agree
I think it ultimately boils down to there just isn't a code of conduct for online interaction because the internet was -- or maybe still is -- the wild west of discourse. Can you honestly go into a public space and scream something like "I WANT TO RAPE THE LITTLE GIRL ON "SPY FAMILY"" out loud and expect people to just be fine with it? No, you wouldn't. You also wouldn't intrude on a conversation somebody is having with their friends or co-workers yet nothing is stopping you from doing so online.
I think there isn't something we can do to fix that online discourse, but we can change how we as individuals respond to it. For example, I decided to just put my thoughts out there and if anybody feels the need to tell me how wrong I am or how dumb I am I will not engage. If they take that as a "win", I just shrug and go, "All right, you get nothing for that win that I wasn't even competing for but good for you I guess."
And if I want to engage, it's because I am getting something out of it. Another example, I want to feel like my feedback in games is being heard, so I post on a Steam page made by the developers and I respond to the developers and only them. If anybody else besides the developer responds to my feedback, I purposely ignore them because that feedback was not meant for them, it was meant for somebody else. Going back to that point earlier about somebody intruding on a conversation with a friend or coworker: yes, the forum is a "public place" but so is a food court at a mall but I don't see anybody getting into heated discussions with strangers after passing by. The same attitude is applied on that Steam page example, only now I have the added benefit of not having that person in my space.
I know this doesn't help Linus, but maybe for somebody like yourself going through discussion fatigue, it helps knowing that at the end of the day not only is that person refusing to meet you at the table not worth your time but they can easily go back to being nonexistent again very easily just by doing nothing.
You should add part 1/3, 2/3 for the videos thats separated by the embargos to show people the product "review" isn't done yet.
Hey, that's a good idea
@Sheela Gaming this is the funniest scam comment I have ever seen
Maybe but those videos are also on separate channels
I'd like them to say straight out on Short Circuit videos for unboxings and such "THIS IS NOT A REVIEW" as the first thing to shut down nutjobs that don't know the difference.
10:30 the “playing chess against a pigeon” analogy works really well here. The usual answer is to just shoo the bird away or realize action is pointless and walk away.
This kind of topic has really gotten to me in my professional life. Working in a STEM field and dealing with all the constant misinformation and bad faith arguments gets discouraging. It's bad enough that it's affected some of my advisors and colleagues as well. It really takes the passion out of research
Unless someones heckling you at your office this seems like a non issue. Just do your research and ignore the internet.
@Stuart Fury modern medicine and "science" isn't really medicine and science anymore. Hard facts and logic has been replaced by feelings and a cultlike personality usually found in things like Religion. Remember when questions were encouraged during the scientific process?
@@stuartfury3390 Its a lot more than that though. This quite literally impacts discussions around publishing, funding, enrollment, and even choice of project. The people approving grants or budgets are the very same people reading the misinformation and using bad faith arguments. Look no further than how many states treat their teaching budgets and curriculum. STEM budgets are no different, just get a lot less media attention.
@@Gurziak You said a lot of words that show nothing more than your lack of understanding of how science works in 2023. Have you actually spent time working with researchers or stepped foot in a lab? I've worked and studied in them for nearly a decade and never encountered anything like that. Feelings and personality have never trumped data in any conference or research presentation I have seen. Typically its quite the opposite, where the emotional impact of the data is what's missing and leads people to underestimate the severity of that data.
@Jon Dubois I have, and the fact that you immediately assumed otherwise and proceeded to talk down to me like I am a child shows where you fall on the issue. Quite sad. It's people like you who are holding science back and why so many people have major distrust in modern science and medicine but I'm sure you will just double down on your holier than thou stance and assume everyone else is wrong. It's ok Principal Skinner. 👍
The LTT team does not need to fight haters, let the audience curb stomp them. Thank you for your hard work.
youtube bringing back the comment dislike counter would fix shitty comments
But then people's feelings will get hurt and you'll spend 2.1% less time on TH-cam
They're talking about the community forum on their website, so what does it have to do with TH-cam?
I don´t get who would hate Linus for bringing us Ads and PR in form of editorial content? Who does´nt want this?
@@danko5866 makes sense, but I don't care
I do wish the LMG titles were a bit more closely related to the videos though, if for no other reason than the number of times I've shared a video with my friends which talks about something I think they'll find interesting but the title makes it seem like something completely different. For example, just the other day I shared the video talking about different Windows power tools with the group (cos we'd talked about PowerToys a few weeks before) but I got ribbed for sharing a "Windows is great" video (as somebody who's been highly critical of their dismissal of Windows in the past) without actually watching it. If it's been clearer it was about the cool tools, I think more of them would have actually watched it!
I have found myself on multiple occasions passing over a video in my notification box because it looks like something I would never be interested in and later watching it in a content drought and finding out the actual content hidden behind the title was great.
Luke's headphone wires wiggling back and forth is pretty funny. Can't sit still either
He wigglin'.
I don’t know what to say to make my faceless crowd of customers happy. Plz help me
My mom had a writing teacher that said that if you ever made something of yourself, someone will always disagree or oppose you.
Though the "focus on the positive" approach might just work better in person than on the internet, where online things are far more directed.
I envy how you two guys are able to put this kind of things into perspective. BTW, the line between nurturing a community and feeding the trolls is quite slim 🤓
A good way to respond is to make regular, polished videos responding to the most common/aggravating comments -- it allows you show off your internal processes more and dispel misconceptions.
Somewhere around 10:30, you said something like "it's hard to argue with someone that exists on a different plane of reality," this is so true. These people say all the high and mighty stuff about how you're wrong, but can't prove it with a piece of evidence. The only reasoning they have is their mind, which as we have already established, exists on a different plane of reality.
I like the deeper level content if that's any consolation. People that are obsessed with trying to find things which are wrong can wear me down too. My best advice is just find something which makes you happy and distract yourself. Maybe that's avoiding the problem, but it generally works for me and overtime I've gotten better at it.
Deeper level content is definitely good. The surface level content attracts the people that scroll TikTok for half their day, but the deeper content is what keeps people that actually care around.
keep open a bounty for wrong comments. Advertise that if you can actually point out something wrong, you can apply at this google forms and tell them how wrong they were and that they're willing to film a demo for a bounty of 2k, surely it's worth the time.
It warms my heart to hear someone who knows the difference between a contingent and a contingency. Kudos Linus!
Lol I bought the same screwdriver for only $10, but I lost the receipt, and I lost the screwdriver.
i never saw the linus reversing course the next lan show. i whatch most of the clips from this channel and not the wan show. i’m happy you did reverse course because the fear of being shadow bans is annoying. if there a ban system like twitch that would be preferred.
So long as you don't present any bad faith arguments Linus won't do it, he wouldn't be able to bring himself to do it. It's just the people that say they can get the same screwdriver on AliExpress for $5 or similar completely provably false statements.
What even is a shadow ban? Sounds like something you do from a lair under a volcano.
Also, maybe you could consider banning people, and have a forum thread which contains a list of the banned people and the reasons you have banned them - then you can remove horrid people from the community without being accused of covering up or trying to hide something.
for the lolz you could reply to all of those "misconceptions" by a chatbot that needs to have the last word :-)
Linus: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
"Linus Responds to Haters" sounds like an opportunity for an Internet Comment Etiquette collab.
Linus, a good example of the sports thing was figure skating. Compare how energetic some of them look at events most of the time to how creepy and unenthusiastic some of the events looked during the pandemic when the stands were either empty or filled with posterboard figurres.
Personally I think the people who don't add any value to the community who are also just being downright offensive should be shadow banned. The people whose sole purpose is to offend the creator when they can just as easily click off the video and move on with their day, they're the ones who don't deserve the attention from the rest of the community.
The other way to look at this is that when people are offensive, abusive, rude etc, the backlash and harassment they get from the hard-core viewer can be quite brutal. They get attacked to the point where it could cause problems for them as a person and be construed as cyber bullying.
Those are the people who need to just be banned. No questions asked, just hit that button and move on with your day
"I still like Vista, baby"
-Arnold Schwarzenegger
I'm a designer, and have worked for companies with 3k+ employees in very senior roles, and you'll never quite get used to the criticism and challenges when you know its wrong, evidentially so. I've had situations where we split tested things against me and my teams judgement, theirs lost (badly, like £50k+ revenue a DAY badly) but we still went with it because it was their want and they "felt" it was better.
A lot of people won't change their mind just because facts are presented sadly, and the skill is learning to just mentally go "yeah alright whatever" when it's ultimately not going to effect you or the people you care about. You have to learn to pick your battles and on which hill die on if purely for your own mental health. Very much easier said than do though i know.
I thought at first the driver was a little pricy but then I realized how good the price actually is compared to other drivers.
Idk about the backpack tho. Can't really say for sure on that one.
I agree with Luke, there are arguments were one side deserves no consideration.
"What do you want from me?"
"I want you to sell me a $250 backpack for $20, because I deserve it."
Man false sexual assault allegations are the worst. There should be more that can be done to deter people making those accusations
The sad part is people have their misconceptions because they weren't listening, and they can't hear.
Linus getting dunked on for no reason
Can't have a battle of wit with an unarmed opponent
5:00 This is a great way of putting it and from a youtube rep, I guess some there understand this stuff better than anyone.
"Sorry, I can't talk right now 'cause someone on the internet is wrong!" Man, is it hard to just let it go when you're in a passionate, sometimes angry discussion. Online and IRL. You know that it's not worth it to argue with an idiot, but it's almost impossible to let it go if it's something you're passionate about.
I think you should for people who are just overall being toxic but not for people who just overall have disagreements over the tech otherwise it risks becoming like social media where if you have the wrong opinion you get banned
@linus Here is my advice.
As a 30 year old guy who has been an off and on 4chan user since middle school there are only 2 ways to fight a bad faith argument if you want to keep an open communication platform.
1. You just ignore it.
2. You do everything in your power to completely prove them wrong and set them up to where anything they say makes them look like an idiot.
@Sheela Gaming delete system 32
It's certainly a hard lesson for everyone to learn, especially in this day and age of instant opinions and responses with no thought behind the decision to respond at all. Either don't feed the trolls or you feed them so hard they explode and everyone can see they were full of shit. Of course not everyone has the time or the patience to do so. And really, Linus' biggest mistake was publicly announcing he was shadowbanning people. When there's a stream going on there's not much else you can do if they're shitting up the chat. Despite his biases and shortcomings I overall trust Linus' judgement to ban the actual trolls vs those just disagreeing with him.
100%. Or any place in-between really. "Everything in your power" is a lot. You can ignore it, you can reply with some counter-facts, you can continue replying to the disputations etc. At some point you need to trust that people reading will be convinced by your replies or not have believed the original assertions. I feel this should be intuitive.
I've experienced this. The only time I've "won" an argument on the internet is when I got so many facts that I turned my opponent's argument against them.
4chan does not have a open communication, at least that what i noticed using the site
You've hit the nail on the head with limited accountability of the internet mixed with a lack of knowledge.
Even when you are right, you can still not win.
You haven't considered that chance it a 12 year old troll.
The only way to manage a community like youtube (coming from my experience with game dev, where again you have a huge number of people with incredably critical negative opinions that you arent allowed to respond to) is to actively moderate and be tough about it. Every person with an overly rude post that goes unmoderated is an example to the thousands of people that sees their post, that that kind of content is ok here. And then it gets worse and worse.
You feel mean doing it, and with a small community a manager can go around warning and reminding people to keep it civil, but in large audiences you just gotta hit the nuke button and cull people the second they step over a pretty fucking restrictive line. Temporary bans (with an automated warning to the user) is probably the most fair way to do it on youtube, if that is even possible.
I think the saying is if you plant flowers you get flowers, if you plant weeds you get weeds, If you plant nothing you get weeds. It is important to actively root out bad behaviour before it reaches a critical mass where it chokes out positive behaviour.
How are you not allowed to respond to negative commetns
@@alainportant6412 It's like playing with wildfire. Look at litterally any bad game launch, and look at the way people talk about the communications from the community moderator. If people are upset, they will find and focus on the perceived negative parts of your response.
Even if you have a flawless, accurate and well meaning response, it will still be received negatively. Negative sentiment in the community is like a tidal wave, once enough of it starts moving, they take the whole community along for the ride.
I've worked for studios in the past that have really positive communities, where completely out of the blue one day a few core members of a discord decide that they dont like your historical record at fixing bugs, and now for 2 weeks you have your whole discord up in arms. If you defend, you're just trying to cover your ass. If you promise updates and fixes, you're lieing. If you actually push out patches (and they miraculessly are bug free dispite the rush) you will be acused of not trying hard enough.
When communities get worked up about stuff, they as a singular entity, cannot be reasoned with. Its a scary force of nature. Best left to calm down.
It's hard to tell how much overlap there is between the views of the review and the unboxing.
12:10 they are actually INCORRECT. In my opinion the real key is "don't engage when your upset". Engage with them and spit facts. If anything starts to bother or effect you, id disengage.
Why not just let users know why they are being banned? If what they said is so bad just let them know why they are being banned.
Ban evasion, if you know you've been banned then you can just make another account to keep posting. Shadow banning means you either never find out, or figure out much later you were shadowbanned and gives some sort of break from any harassment to the creator.
@@truehackerproduction I still dont think a person should have some sort of restriction on their account without being notified. If someone wants to restrict a key feature of youtube to someone they should know about it.
Analytical content is greatly underappreciated
The algorithm is bad because I keep saying don’t recommend these channels but it just keeps on recommending them what the hell am I supposed to do if it doesn’t even work…
When I watch a video and end up not liking it I immediately delete it from my watch history. I have found this helps a lot with not being recommended similar videos. There’s always the possibility I’m imagining it though lol.
@@josephn1000 I have my watch history turned off bro
People hate being wrong. You make decision in a split second even without realizing it and start defending it without thinking it thoughtfully.
The answer to speech you disagree with is more speech, not shadow-bans.
5:05 - BULLLLLLSHSIIIITTTTT!!!!1!!1!!!!!!!
Algorytm constantly pushes on me stuff I don't want.
This is such an easy win. You take linus up on the challenge, buy 1 screw driver, list screw driver at a loss on ali express. Collect your winnings.
He’s gonna send people to Brazil
Linus said recently he doesn't watch youtube videos, and he is confused by why someone would want faster more bite sized easy to digest "reviews" rather than a deep analysis.... We all have limited time.
Whenever you see another comment like those you discussed here, think of me. I like to watch your video's both more funny and more in-depth, and really appreciate the work you put in all of them (congrats to the cameracrew and editors btw to make it look polished). The LMG transparancy and way of working is also really inspiring.
But I'm not alone. I am sure there are a lot more people who feel the same! But we don't comment that often. No news is good news.
But maybe we should step out more often, to let you know you're still doing awesome work. Let this be my New Year-resolution.
I agree with everything. Except the part of us posting our praises.
Watching a comment section full of "Great video" comments, is really cringeworthy.
Especially, when every video on a channel looks like that.
@@soul0360 There is no need to put "Great video" under everything. You can give some positive feedback on something new, or some things you would change in the format, phrased in a constructive way.
The comment section doesn't have to be blend and boring. You can spread positivity in many ways :D
The inevitable outcome is Linus shadowbanning comments that disagree with him only for him to find out later on that some of those people were right and he was wrong. Linus has had more bad takes than anyone in this industry. Sometimes he walks them back and sometimes he doesn’t. Linus needs to realize this is the internet and he needs to not let bad (but not blatantly offensive) comments bother him. Keep scrolling and you’ve effectively personally shadowbanned the comment since you won’t see it again.
I usually impulse click your content because it is usually good and thoughtful. Then I usually bail early or ignore the bad stuff, like unboxing. I guess you could justify the thoughtful Abe harder content to keep people’s expectations higher
It’s nice to know Linus gets tilted too
If people get worried they will be shadowbanned, they will just check and see if their comment is actually visible. So it ultimately accomplishes the same thing as just deleting the post, leading them to think they must be right or you wouldn't have tried to silence them.
Unless their comment gets a lot of upvotes, just ignore it. If they do get a bunch of upvotes, then explain why they're wrong.
I really like that rule about not making your audience the butt of the joke (ok that's not exactly the rule as read but it's the example you used). Not making categories of people the butt of the joke (though making fun of individual people [eg Bezos] is different) is like THE one big step for inclusive content, and what certain ageing comedians (you know the ones I'm talking about) don't realise is the reason nobody wants to watch their stuff anymore. If you can get your point across without making a category of people the butt of the joke, your content is almost always going to be better. Sorry this ramble probably wasn't very clear, but I hope you get the general gist of what I'm saying at least and that it's supportive of your stance ❤
i have a problem with you using comedians as an example though. Comedians... or atleast a good edgy comedian shall we say, should make a joke about everyone. If a comedian is making constant jokes about everyone then it shows they have a problem. But if a comedian is making jokes out of everyone then its clear they are pointing flaws at all people not a certain set of people. Jimmy Carr is a great example. He takes the piss out of everyone, everyone is fair game. Comedy is comedy for a reason, everyone has different styles and tastes. Just becuase you dont like a certain taste thats not the comedians problem thats your problem, you go watch a different comedian. i will watch mine. Comedy is like art, its subjective. 30 years ago almost every comedian would never have a job if they worked in the present day. Comedy should be taken lightly becuase its just comedy. Everyone can be offended at any kind of joke and if we shout out at comedians becuase everyone takes offense comedy would be and is a dying art.
@@ashleygoggs5679 The reason I said "certain ageing comedians" is because there's a certain subset of comedians who were popular 1-3 decades ago whose main act was "Look at this minority group. Aren't they so weird? That's funny!" These same comedians are complaining now that the "woke police" have come after them just because modern audiences don't find them funny anymore. Because we live in a more tolerant society where "somebody is different" isn't actually a punchline, it's just a thing.
It's lazy comedy and people are turning away from it because it's lazy and boring. It's harder to make a joke that doesn't lean on those lazy topics, but the jokes you make when you put that effort in are, generally speaking, just better jokes!
@@Respectable_Username actually thats not correct at all. If you dont like it thats fair enough. Comedians just dont like being told what is and isnt funny. Everyone has their own tastes. For you tp say x comedian isnt funny, and yet i find him hilarious thats dosnt make them a bad comedian it makes them a comedian thag dosnt fit your taste. Its literally as simple as that.
Just because you dont like their style or what they say dosnt give you a right to shut a comedian down and ruin my entertainment. Comedians are comedians you should know what your getting with them, if you dont like a certain comedian yet continue to watch their art then thats a you problem not them.
@@ashleygoggs5679 punching down is never funny. sorry your favorite mediocre men are washed up or whatever.
@@LieseFury if punching down is never funny why do almost all if not all comedians do this?
I actually didn’t know the screwdrivers were made locally. My only issue with them is the price is in USD when it’s Canadian manufacturing and you are based in Canada. Why charge Canadians USD pricing? It’s a HUGE deterrent for supporting local. If I’m going to spend $100 CAD on a tool, it’s going to be something that I trust and has a warranty that I know will always be honoured. I’d rather support float plane than pay $100 for a screwdriver.
I think people trust Linus because of his good reviews. Because of that some may just watch the unboxing because of the build trust
WWE had that ingenious idea of having live TV screens all around the stadium. It's a shame most sports didn't use the same idea. Would have been fantastic for the players and the audience
linus seems stressed
I always find it crazy hearing people referencing small percentages - it is crazy how often missed that 1% of the worlds population is still 70 million people - this is significant regardless of how small the percentage is.
Never forget that people only watch the "shallow" content only because your brand has proven itself to also create high quality content. Just focussing on short-circuit videos because they're more efficient would work for a while, but not in the long term.
When doing tech talks, I tend to include code slides. I lose 90% of the audience during those slides, but when talking about it with the audience, they almost universally say it lends your credit, just the willingness of putting your own code out there to be viewed gives your the credit you need for them to pay attention to what you're saying in the rest of the slides.
Ultimately labs will have the same problems. Lots of data and tech details, 10% is gonna read and ingest it and those 10% will advocate for you to the other 90% who will take their word for it and watch more shallow content with more trust and confidence in it.
Its sad and funny at the same time seeing that this is an issue for some people. One of my biggest personal draws to LTT and the store is the amount of transparency the channel and store has. Shadow banning is a tricky situation, these people sound like the flat earthers of the tech world.
We are witnessing Linus learning the #1 rule of the Internet "don't feed the trolls" at a 10% speed as everyone else.
The best disinfectant for toxic ideas is the sun. If there's someone or some message so bad that shouldn't be just skipped, bring it to light, poke fun at it, show how useless/dumb it is, making it clear that that's not constructive, improving the conversation as a whole.
Something to keep in mind is that a lot of people just wanna see the new card even thought they already have a good one. Making the review if it launches as a second video a lot less enticing as you know already some of the stuff you wanted to know and you aren't intrested in the review comparison as you already have a good one
12:39 it’s important to note that just because someone sees you as something doesn’t make you that thing. I get that feeling, like you gotta defend yourself but the truth is: is that they aren’t talking about you rather their interpretation of you. Don’t live as interpretation of an interpretation.
Keep doing what you're doing and continue looking forward. I love your content, the way you do things, and I get where your opinions come from, even when they (very rarely) turn out to be incorrect. As for the people who don't know what they're talking about, complaining about things that never happened, or blaming you for someone else's mistakes - it just goes to show how much you've done. The more you do, the more audience you have, the more people with straight up dumb or unsupported opinions turn up. Some of those people come once and go, never to be seen again. Some of them are fans of other tech channels, or are just plain haters or don't know what they're doing or saying.
TLDR; I support what you do and how you do it. People will say dumb things without fact-checking, but unsupported opinions and heckles don't matter.
Isn’t ShortCircuit mostly a unboxing and first opinion channel mostly?
Yeah, but a new viewer doesn't know that and people sometimes can be dumb, we humans are way more suceptible to dumb mistakes than we would like to admit. Even just by the influence of being a bit hungry or sligthly distracted or a little angry can make us ignore obvious things.
Its hard to say "ignore them" because that would mean you would be ignoring your audience, which is a major problem
Audio: Luke is a lot more quiet than Linus. Tags: Levels, loudness, mixing, microphone
I feel like most of the bad faith arguments can be summed up as people dedicating their time to misunderstanding you and wanting to be listened to by anyone they can get to do so.
The best "shadowbanning" I've seen in the wild was in a forum. Before a comment was made public, an algorithm checked the sentiment. If it was bad or spam, the user had to solve a captcha. But now the important part: The probability of the site refusing the captcha solution was proportional to the probability that the comment was nasty, and had nothing to do with the actual solution. This lead to trolls getting incredibly frustrated over time and at some point gave up.
Linus won't shadowban me!! Time to spread LMG misinformation >:D
Linus is having an affair with Luke 👀
I thought you said misinformation
@@mikearisbrocken8507 it is misinformation, they are actually in an open relationship.
take note small youtubers: these problems *aren't* TH-cam or the mighty algorithm picking on you because you are small.
I would Love a Video where you are actually responding to people by typing a comment. Easy Content and Kind of a funny q and a or FAQ.
I used to argue with trolls, now i just ban them. it's like, their goal is to waste your time.
one good thing about review embargo is that the reviewers have time to test and make a good review, and not just a some reviews that are rushed and full errors just so they can be first.
Once knew someone who'd argue with you no matter what. If you said the sky was blue she'd say it wasn't. If you proved her wrong she'd call you dumb for not saying she was right.
Is forum board trolling suddenly a new phenomenon? Don't. Feed. The. Trolls.
I've been watching LTT and commenting for years since childhood. It makes me happy that he has probably read some of my comments but at the same time I hope he hasn't saw some of my earlier one's.
@@mark7527 how would they know if its a 10yr old or an adult?
@@mark7527 That wouldn't fix anything, adults say dumb stuff too every now and then and kids can be clever too.
if someone is telling you that they can get it cheaper someone else. They are not likely to be a customer in the first place. So they really are not worth the time.
14:30 The top result for RTX 6000 is an official article on the Nvidia website for the card... Some people man...
The people who made the negative comments have probably moved on to making other negative comments on other channels and don't even remember the negativity they gave you after a month or two. Ask yourself, if they met you face to face do you think you would get the same treatment from them?
Funny you mention that, another youtuber I follow made a video today about how he has people that message him at minimum 10 times a week just to tell him how much of a piece of shit he apparently is. There's people out there that are obsessed losers that don't have much going on for them, and instead of fixing it they take it out on others... it's getting worse these days.
So what that 99% moved on, if 10 people want to make your online presence hell then it is more than enough
Linus, you should try uploading bite sized reviews to Short Circuit alongside the full length LTT channel vid. In 5 minutes or less, give me a breakdown of the new card and how it compares. Then funnel viewers to the full length vid for more info.
It's ok to tell somebody they are stupid sometimes.
Shadow ban '1st' comments though?
Well that is something I didn't know... The molding happened in British Columbia! Yes I saw Linus playing with the machines(and I was eating snacks awaiting for him to drop more items...), but I thought he travelled to China. So my screwdriver is Canadian? Also I will call out Luke on laughing like Goofy...
JSYK, LMG is located in British Columbia. They're working with a local company for the screwdrivers.
I'm an Industrial Quality Analyst. That screwdriver guy, good grief. We have a really bad habit societally of buying the cheapest crap possible instead of spending a little more on something that will last and serve you well, but come on dude. Maybe in 50 to 100 years when our manufacturing abilities improve significantly, we can make LTT screwdrivers for $10, but not now even in your dreams. But to everyone else, I HIGHLY encourage you to spend a little extra on stuff when you can, treat it like an investment. Buy the $40 Japanese gooseneck kettle instead of the $20 Chinese one. The $70 screwdriver instead of the $10 one. $150 PSU instead of the $50 one. It will save you money in the long run. President Jeanne Perreault of Rivier College said before, "We cannot afford to purchase equipment and buildings at the lowest price. We have to be careful." Remember that, you cannot afford the cheapest price.
I'm an Industrial Engineer and would agree up to certain point. Of course buying the cheapest most of the time will mean bad quality, but how high should you go in price and still have gains?
I believe that LTT scrwedriver is an overkill and would never recommend someone spend that much money on that screwdriver, because there are many good brands at 1/3 of the cost that will exceed what people need on a screwdriver.
It depends what you are looking for.... do you need a car because you need to go to point A to point B? You shouldn't buy the cheapest, but you clearly don't need a Ferrari.
I'm not saying LTT screwdriver shouldn't exist, but is it worth paying for most of us? I don't think so, just the same as Ferraris.
I think you got it a bit backwards, Linus. The audience _is_ to blame but not for what you said. Their short attention span is their fault. The fact that they will rush out to buy something day one without knowing anything about it and thus demand reviews be made ahead of time--is also their fault. But the algorithm makes things like this even worse. By appealing to the lowest of the lows, the absolute most worthless opinions (IE: the masses) everyone else suffers. Content gets more rushed (to meet faster and faster deadlines), more controversial (to stir up more drama and views) and more clickbaity. All to get those sweet, sweet views. This turns away good viewers, or worse, mutates them into bad ones.
The explanation is that we live in a world where the customer doesn't matter anymore. The only one who matters is the braid dead zombie masses. They may not even _buy_ a product. But they click on stuff and clicks earn money. So TH-cam promotes and brutally *enforces* the idea of appealing to the groaning walking dead we call modern humans.
Humans may be bad, but we're making them worse than they need to be. We no longer need or want to think for ourselves. The corporations have infected our society and we can't stop the hoards from rushing the gates every time fresh blood appears. Giving in is our fault as well, but the issue is the overwhelming odds and the distinct lack of flamethrowers to **ah hem** address the problem.
I didnt put too much though into it, but you could make a section on the website that has all the stupid deleted comments, it would be a way to make it always transparent and also not affect people that dont want to specifically see those
Y'all need to re-read "The design of everyday things". If people misunderstand an unboxing as a review, it's not their fault. If the number is small enough, no need to worry. If it's larger, then look inwards not outwards, and change something to communicate better.
As a salesperson when someone says I can get cheap crap cheaper I go that's nice I will see you in a couple of years when it fails to buy a proper machine.
Here's the deal, I trust Linus to try to do the right thing for his audience. And that extends to when he gets something a little wrong; he'll correct himself. When Linus is torn about something, then you know that it's a difficult topic and you, yourself can use your own best judgement/opinion. But also allow Linus to have his own opinion on said difficult topic. Time and time again Linus has demonstrated that, sort of, unwritten social contract. 👍
Totally agree. And it's the same I'm looking for in others to find my guidance. But there are some bigger underlining problems here.. As I see it, the deeper issue is in how many people in our modern societies choose to consume media and how little guidance many have to sort between fact and fiction. Media now has to be quick and it has to be entertainment. To further open up the problem.. Maybe, the 'bad apples' (both in terms of the ones in front of the camera and the ones at the keyboard) has always been there and now they have a place to speak/yell out loud with no further problems.. Maybe we also totally forgot along the way, that we are communicating with other people who are looking at what we are writing or saying. In general, this has fed right into a much more scary tendency of people not listening and understanding what is being projected and more over, the algorithms/the viewers are now more looking towards who can project entertainment than who actually has knowledge upon the subject as an 'expert' or as someone who has taken on knowledge or experience of the subject. I most underline, I'm not trying to push the blame on anyone or saying that we should be oppressing opinions or freedom of speech, but we need to figure out a way to make it a sustainable conversation and not just a yelling contest with bad arguments.
Don't feed the trolls Linus.
Lmao i got an ad for the rtx 6000 right after luke talked about it