24:03 "There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." -Yosemite Park Ranger on why it's hard to design a bear-proof garbage can.
The thing Linus was talking about where he doesn't see ads is actually very common, and it's a form of "banner blindness." People got so used to seeing banner ads on sites and knowing they didn't care about them that, for many, our brains literally just stopped registering banners (ads or otherwise) and deeming them as unimportant and not worth the time to process. Apparently banner blindness can also refer to conscious ignoring of ads, but I always heard it talked about as the unconscious filtering, which is how I experienced it, and it feels fitting, as it basically does feel like being blind to the banner ads.
I almost have that with TH-cam ads too, they’ll serve me a survey asking if I’ve seen ads for whatever businesses, I’ll say no, then I’ll get one and be like “oh yeah I have. Still not using it tho” When TH-cam ads on the first thing on my mind is “what channel am I watching?” Followed by “how long is this ad, can I skip after 30 seconds to get the creator paid”
I have both conscious and unconscious. For example on websites and such where there banners covering texts I just don't register their existence, instead on TH-cam for example I have to actively think on just focus on the skip ad button to not pay attention to the ad. At least I did until I got YT premium. On Twitch I also just mute the stream when there are ads and unmute it when they are done, in that case I pay attention to the small stream window in the top right.
Oh wow, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum. If I see an ad, I have to stop and remove it from the screen before I’ll even start reading any content. And if it’s too difficult to remove, I’ll just close that tab and go on living my life as if that content never existed in the first place. Ads are so horrendously overzealous these days that I’m completely non-functional on the internet if I’m stuck using something that doesn’t block ads. I’m just not capable of even processing anything when they’re there.
Unsurprising news: The Live Chat auto-moderation is shadowbanning actual viewers, including subscribers. There's no way for the streamer to turn it off or change anything.
I got instantly autobanned for saying "I wishy frenchy was here" that was my last livechat. Then I used a phone and noticed and that was banned one hour later. Makes you wonder.
"They've been doing something for a while" "What do you mean, they removed the dislike button!" EXACTLY dude. We used to be able to just downvote spam comments to death and once a certain dislike threshold was reached, the comment would be automatically hidden by default. That's just one of the many great features TH-cam used to have, and, inexplicably, no longer does.
@@bradhaines3142 that has never been a thing. Likes mean a thing is popular dislikes mean a thing is controversial. Either way the more likely you are to interact with it is good to them. Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them. It was only ever true of comments and technically the comments still existed meaning it still boosted the video in the algorithm so they had no reason to care whether or not it was in sight.
@@RunicSigils "Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them." NPC logic. He said they got recommended less, not that they were "magically hidden". If you can't understand the person you're replying to, you shouldn't be debating them
The thing about ad tolerance is absolutely real. I don't know why my brain makes this association, but I have the same exact response of browsing without adblock as I'd have walking into a dirty room old room. You know that feeling when the environment is so dirty you start feeling dirty? Trying to avoid touching anything? That's how it feels to me to browse with ads. It's weird, I know, but it's so strong that downloading adblock is literally the first thing I do on any computer I have to use. Even if it's 5 minutes. Sometimes even without telling the owner. I even avoid browsing on my phone (using the web browser/chrome, not talking about apps) because of ads.
Pihole helps some for phones. Also modified TH-cam apps that remove ads. Android is a given, but they exist on iOS too, and you don't even have to jailbreak your phone!
@@MuffinTastic The Lockdown app for iOS filters a lot of ads. It’s not perfect but I’d say it gets like 80% of them, which isn’t bad for a free app that minimally affects performance.
for me its not even a personal thing as far as PC goes, a while ago adblock just started seeming actually dangerous to do without. on my phone I just deal with it but i think that's "tolerance" in a different sense, like what linus was saying. eventually a page can serve you a full screen of ads, and as long as you can see even a sliver of content without clicking an x your brain will literally refuse to process any of them even being there
TH-cam made 75Bn/year when I last checked several years ago, so if we could imagine comment section scams being 2% as effective as youtube ads, that industry would be measured in the billions of dollars. maybe not, but tens or hundreds of millions is still likely.
the money isn't the issue. it's the hit to their reputation that would be the long term harm. like if it got so bad all legit viewers just ignored the comments; they gotta put a stop to that.
Absolutely hilarious how it ends with them acknowledging that Linus will get sidetracked easily and will bring you along with the ride after 10 minutes of getting sidetracked and bring Luke along with the ride.
this is absolutly an ADHD thing, I have literally the exact same reading stories from back in school, the same complete disconnection in conversations, hearing Linus talk about his attention is like hearing myself
Not diagnosed with ADHD, but kind of resonates for me. I would definitely read something and focus on things other than what I was supposed to. Then there are all those lovely rabbit holes...
@@SKPetel unfortunately, there's enough people in the world that prefers to shut down topics involving mental health concerns. as someone with ADHD, it's interfering with a lot of my life, including my academics and my content creator life. and my fam just thinks I just dont want to put effort, or just don't have willpower. darn conservatives...
19:45 - Yeah...my ADHD works that way as well. People think the TV show 'House' is unrealistic because he'll be talking to someone and suddenly realize something important about his case that's completely unrelated to the conversation, but when I was a millwright that's exactly how a LOT of the problems I struggled with got figured out.
I can't imagine how my mom watches all these ads while watching food recipes on TH-cam. I even told her I'll get her premium but she insists the ads are not that intrusive since she's used to 10 mins of ads in a 30 min episode slot on TV.
She's not wrong. Most people anymore are just too impatient and think they are too good to ignore the ads when they pop onto the screen. Comment sections of any LTT video mentioning ads is proof of it. Thousands of people who think they are too special to be subjected to the horror of watching even a single advertisement that pays for what they are watching. It's crazy.
@@bdhale34 Why should I have to watch ads? Why do you sit on a high horse cause you watch ads? Adblock has literally saved me countless hours of time. Times one thing you cant get back. Sure tho I think im "too good"
@@bdhale34 And how much did you earn watching all those ads of yours? Surely you must have gotten something useful out of your time. If not, you're really just accepting to be pwned constantly by the upper class at Wall Street
@@KeVsPIXEL To be fair, Spam is been something TECH INDUSTRY WIDE problem since the 90s, since the DAWN OF THE INTERNET. So not surprise that youtube, a company that spam literal countries even struggled to tackle this
Another thing with ads is, they are more annoying on TH-cam and online than TV I have figured, yeah ads can be repetitive on tv but I notice it a lot more with TH-cam, where I keep seeing the same exact ad anytime an ad spot occurs. Another thing is, online ads are cheaply made unlike TV spots (Tiktok and mobile game ads being worst offenders in my opinion), and I find tv spots a tad more interesting AND TOLERABLE to watch to the point I actually find an ad I've seen on the TV, on a TH-cam video weirdly cathartic.
Ive never seen a "how did this video make you feel?" survey. Mostly I get surveys asking if I would consider buying something from a certain brand or if I've heard of a movie, and I just refuse to do those
I've been asked that multiple times. Pretty much every time it was about a video I hadn't watched. More precisely, videos that I had started to watch, but in the very beginning realized that I'll have to do something else first. And then I get the question _before_ I've had time to finish it. I don't remember being asked once about a video that I had watched to the end and either liked it, or perhaps decided not to push the like -- so maybe the questions are about videos where TH-cam couldn't figure out my judgement about the video? 🤔🤷
holy frick when linus got into what he was like in grade school, i felt a resonance in my _soul_ . gonna send a clip of this to my parents, because that was literally me.
Great tip to quickly skip ads / double ads: on phone and probably on desktop as well, you can report the add, put "no longer see this ad" and mark it as one of the three options, that will immediately skip those ads. i always mark it as inapropriate because it's so inapropriate to show me that many stupid ads
Sounds good... on paper. The question is how effective this algorithm is and whether or not they also touched the shadow-banning parameters to be even more aggressive than before... In other words, have they made the censorship worse?
@@MrRoblox1377 but it's possibly a tradeoff that's needed if you want to converse with someone without being interrupted by spam/scams. Me personally, I don't mind if it means more censorship, as long as it isnt outright ridiculous.
@@FNCVessel I and many others have been shadow banned from all live stream chats. Including members only content for channels we've been members to for months or years. It's ridiculous.
It's strange that their "algorithm" can't detect that a user is posting the exact same comment 1000 times under a video but if you happen to use even slightly colorful language your comment is immediately removed.
Y'know, when I was in High-school, I basically have 2 different grade. The normal grade, and the behaviour grade. I was always pretty afraid that I might get held back entirely because my teacher may misunderstand me and seriously give me "C" on behaviour. My eyes naturally don't have much eye-lids so teacher might misunderstand I'm actually sleeping in class and might get docked on behaviour for that.... in fact, my teacher complained to my parents which then told me which is why I'm always afraid. It does not help that I sometimes space out during the class, but can still hear and understand what my teachers are saying so I can still answer and connect to them. I'm not sure whether it contributes or not to my sleepy-looking eyes, but yeah, I was always afraid during the final report days.
13:50 I have a similar "problem". Maybe because of the banner ads from the '90s, but my brain completely ignores anything colorful in a rectangle. There've been times when I'm using software and I could not find a button I was supposed to click. I asked someone else and they were like, "It's right there, in the center of the screen! Big and green!" And I was like, "Oh, I didn't even see that."
I have a reasonable tolerance of ads, because I'm aware that's how the sites stay up. It is my payment to those sites to let the ads be. However, if it gets excessive, I will block them. It does feel that in recent years, ads have became more aggressive, especially youtube which I blocked about 2 years ago due to double ads AND mid roll ads. I'm not entirely sure how much it is due to greed and how much it is due to increasing amount of people using ad blockers such that they must milk more out of the ones who didn't. If it is mostly the latter, I'd actually support Google's attempt to block ad blockers (on yt at least) if, alongside that, they reduce the amount of ads served. But I find that unlikely.
They swear up and down that monetization doesn’t affect the algorithm even though every TH-camr can show their analytics that show that videos flatline when they get demonetized
3:40 too many people have posted their analytics after getting demonetized for me to believe this. Once your video is demonetized, you instantly see 10x less impressions.
Linus, in middle school some of our students made a video making fun of the teachers in the building, showing the overused phrases, strange habits, or tiny mistakes that were memorable. The teachers thought it was a great idea and made one themselves pointing out the things students did that were either funny, annoying or weird. Three of the 25 segments were devoted to me reading in the middle of class that same exact way you talk about in the video.
8:03 "There did not appear to be any difference what-so-ever [in viewer satisfaction between monitized and demonitized] Ah, but does that take into account pretty much everyone is using adblockers these days?
I have noticed that TH-cam will adjust the knobs occasionally and really crank up the ads for videos that allow midroll ads. When that happens I just stop watching TH-cam for a few days and it seems to calm back down. I have also noticed that the amount of ads, and the number of un-skippable ads, depends on the device you are using.
someone tell Linus about ludwig's youttube extension Truffle. it makes the CHAT EXP a lot easier to read and interact both for the user and the streamer.
maybe i’m out of touch, but didn’t the streamer need to request access for it from ludwig? so even if it was on his radar it would still be on ludwig to allow it
The school section was delightful. When I was younger, I didn't understand why it was called Attention DEFICIT Disorder. Because when something drew my attention, it got ALL OF IT! I was utterly absorbed in that information. To the exclusion of everything else. But now I'm older, I understand it was the everything else they were getting at. Same as described here, I would be entirely in my own world, oblivious to all else, and then want to share my thing, no matter what other people were doing at the time. Still do it even now, but I did eventually learn to bite my tongue so I don't immediately spew it all over the other people. But my brain will still latch onto a thing to the exclusion of all. I enjoy TV, video games, fanfiction, D&D, TH-cam, etc. And I can usually find a balance for all these things, with peaks and troughs as I meant lean on one or two more than others for a bit. But when I find a new something. Be it a new game, a new story, a new channel, a new song even... I will become utterly obsessed with it. To the exclusion of all my other interests that that very morning could have been the most important thing in my world. It's fascinating, infuriating, and enthralling all at once. At one point, I was hammering our new chapters to my fanfics every week, every few days at one stage. The muse was just endlessly providing. Then a friend got me interested in D&D and EVERYTHING else fell by the wayside. I was engrossed in only D&D. I wasn't playing video games, wasn't watching any TH-cam that wasn't D&D themed, didn't write for months. I became completely consumed by the new thing until my brain managed to settle it back into part of the rhythm with all the rest. The hyperfixation is great for learning that new thing, but boy does everything else suffer as a result.
I just want to state that their machine learning bot that removes comments is horrendous. I wrote comments on a video that talked about certain TH-camr channels not being transparent about sponsorships. and I commented for him to checkout a channel with a video that weirdly promoted NFTS without disclosing any payments. My comments were constantly being removed from there.
20:52 i wonder how many times you could repeat something till Linus notices, pull a kronk. might be fun to record those meetings and just see Linus spacing out, like can we as viewers recognize when Linus has zoned out
One big problem I found is that sometimes TH-cam asks me "do you like this recommendation" for a video I've never watched I can't see the video and THEN answer the question because the question only appears before I press and disappears once I go back. It's kind of weird
I’m tech savvy, but gladly watch TH-cam ads. That’s because I’m a student with low income, but I still want to support creators like Linus Media Group. My classmates rolls eyes at me and screams about ad blockers😂
whenever I see snippets of how ads work on USAmerican TV it blows my mind. You watch news and then there's an ad simultaneously in the corner alongside news on the sliding bar at the bottom. And then there is a fullblown ad playing out seeming like it's a report from some place of some event, only after seconds you realise something is off. Shit like that is totally illegal in the country I'm from. There are no ads allowed side by side the content you're watching, and when a commercial starts there has to be as very clear splash screen with an indicator, a jingle and a writing on the screen, that a commercial is about to start, and then another one when it ends, so you can't get confused what's a commercial and what is an ad. And it's crazy to me when I see snippets that don't use that. It's surreal and insanely offputting and would make me not watch TV at all
i get my youtube prime for free and has for years thats why i dont have add. so i dont know how to add anyting to this i never think about it because i just dont have add and i dont pay for it.
6:14 That used to be a thing when youtube was new, and a few years ago there was an experiment on youtube labs about star rating videos instead of like / dislike, and it basically was hate / dislike / meh / like / super like, and if it was anything less than like, it wouldn't add it to your "liked" playlist which was BS, i would have preferred options like dislike / meh / like 1 / like 2 / like 3 for different "weightings" on how much you liked it.
12:00 "and im standing in front of of it and its like oh glowing object, me watch". This. I thought of this exact same thing, because I experience it a lot. I hate being near a TV, because it literally pulls me out of conversations.
TH-cam shadow banned me and many others from live chats despite us just being real fans of steamers. Noticed it first in a members only stream (so I couldn't even live chat in paid content) and now I can't leave live chat comments in any streams. Or rather, I can leave comments but they won't show up for anyone, not even myself if I use another device or refresh the current chat.
You are dead right about adverts. My children have hardly ever seen a commercial. When they do it’s almost like they are defenseless though too! I’ve wondered what to do about that aspect for a while!
My dad is the opposite, not super tech savvy, but if what he’s watching changes to a commercial he’ll just change the channel to something completely different. He could be watching 3 movies at the same time because he doesn’t feel like watching ads
HA! I did the reading during class thing too! My mom taught me to pay attention to the lesson for a second or two every page turn so that I still had enough context to answer the teacher’s questions if they called on me.
6:10 I often get "were you satisfied with this video" short surveys popping up in my Recommendations as a separate section (like Shorts do). And these surveys, you guessed it, start with a 5 stars rating =) They've came a full circle there.
My ad tolerance is incredibly low and always has been. I always mute any device I watch youtube on that doesn’t have adblock on it until at least 30 seconds have passed so that I can be sure to get to just my video I wanted to watch without seeing or hearing the ad. Unless I notice it’s one of those surveys and I always just select “none of the above” and skip it.
I refuse to believe that midrolls don't affect retention at large because when I'm on my Firestick and get 5 ads in a 12-minute video(which is every single time I try to watch youtube on Firestick) I just get fed up and watch Netflix instead.
10:17 About that. I often judge if the value of the video if is justified enough to stay through the ad and not close the video. Most times I close the video because I was just baited by the thumbnail or the title and it didn't deliver contentwise.
Linus's anecdote about not being able to see any content for all the ads on-screen exemplifies why so many people are using adblockers. The ad companies won't regulate themselves, and the government won't step in, so we're doing the regulation instead.
i got an ad blocker cause some online articles would have pop up ads that force the text to readjust and move my screen, and id have to scroll to get past the ad.
So TH-cam's strategy against spam bots is fight fire with fire? Boy oh boy, this could go either fairly well or incredibly wrong and I'm more inclined towards the second option.
the question is whether or not they will be enacting those policies in favor of scammers or not. for instance if somebody responds to a scammer with something unpleasant as is deserved but youtube instead targets the non scammer as a result of their asinine policies instead of noticing the scamer altogether.
One thing with TH-cam ads that I massively dislike is how you can't stop certain ads or certain companies that you get ads from from showing up. The reporting you can do seems to do very little, you just get a slightly different ad from the same company. And the system for your interests that I assume should give you ads you like seems very hit and miss. Another thing on ads on TV. I live in Sweden and we have an ads supported channel that otherwise is free. Channel 4. They often start a movie at 9pm. With ad breaks atleast every 30mins. Just before 10pm it is ads, news, ads again and you have lost 30min of film watching time. Watching their films are just the worst. But since about a year I don't have a TV anymore. I stream what I want to watch.
TH-cam is one of the only places I see ads on my phone because I use a DNS server which blocks most of them, only downsides are it broke free WiFi networks and I can't click any sponsored links anymore whatsoever
I got a new add setup from youtube earlier today it still said 2 of 2 ads but that second one had something like 5 ads in a row. Though i only watched the first one “no clue what if anything it was for since it was one of those ads where they forget to actually mention the product” Always nice “for me” when they do that as they tend to actually make them interesting. They don’t do it often though for obvious reasons.
TH-cam does not let you skip adds. Most of the time when you jump from one video to another, you will encounter another add, and if you jump again and again, you will find out that you lose more time. Adding the fact that mobile is strong, and once an add starts playing, you need to exit fullscreen colapse the add text under the video and then you can switch the video, but then you need to decide what you want to watch, and by that moment either the skyp is available or it moved to the second add, and your attention will jump to the add. Not affecting, not totaly true, is more of a, people do not get benefits from trying to manually dodge an add. You either buy premium or install addblock.
I would, in a second, get rid of my ADD if I could! It makes my life so much more difficult. Then again I'm also dyslexic, so i can't read like linus, and that knocks out basically learning anything that's not in video format :(
I'm surprised they dont use Ludwig's Truffle extension to get a readable flow for live chat. Doesn't help with botting but alleviates one of those two pain points.
Yeah, Truffle is really a great extension, and TH-cam's goal should be to absolutely murder Truffle by implementing its features into the default chat system. Ideally, Truffle wouldn't have to exist in the first place because TH-cam chat would be good enough to begin with, yet here we are.
There's also a Mr. Beast scam ad, that has been running for months and still no action from TH-cam... I don't understand how hard it is to ban anyone from using big creator names in ads without human approval.
Mid-roll ads not affecting retention seems easy to explain to me: If minutes into a video I'm still here, I probably want to see the rest of the video. If there are ads, I probably will rather suffer through an ad and turn the volume all the way down, than miss the rest of a video that I find interesting. So retention? Yes. But being satisfied with the experience (actually satisfied, not what TH-cam calls "satisfied")? No.
i have youtube premium and ublock origin so i dont have to deal with ads the survey thing shows up sometimes for me on the home page after i watch a video a few times
From what I've seen (semi controlled) is that any video which is limited from the start or after the fact will instantly lose traction if it was wrongly self-certified with either the bot or the "human reviewer" setting it to limited. Any limited video set to limited correctly by the uploader tends to gain traction, but that traction is overall a lot less than fully monetized videos. Retention, interaction seems unaffected, but the traction (pushing the video out) is somewhat influenced by limited vs fully monetized. YT speaks in half truths all the time, mostly cause they seem to have no clue either so it pays to be vague My test case is over 470 videos that gives a pretty good guestimate of how it works.
Great to know it’s measuring satisfaction, now I just need it to measure _non-satisfaction_ in the form of ‘sees an add from a channel and then immediately goes to that channel to block them’ and also clinking ‘don’t show me this add’ type buttons _does not mean_ ‘spam me constantly with similar adds from said channel’. Also if it could keep blocked channels out of my searches that would be just great.
TH-cam thinks ads don't effect retention?? My apartment is the hangout spot for a bunch of my friends, who will congregate in the living room and watch TH-cam videos together The literal audible groan whenever an ad pops up is inescapable Most times if the meat of the video was already shown and an ad pops up they just back out of that video and go to something else
I’ve noticed some SPAM recently where a bot posts an off topic comment. Once it was religious and money related, another it simply referenced being poor and worried about retirement. Then a whole bunch of fake comments were added to the first with bots chiming in with “answers” and references to where someone could get help with the subject. Obviously a shady source is given. And of course they upvote it so it appears as the first comment.
I just developed a sort of /ignore for ads. Even if my wife watches normal cable TV, if ads appear, I just zone out and ignore the content. On webpages though I ffing hate it, and whenever I'm not at home (where my firewall blocks 99.99% of all ads), and I start browsing on 5g on my phone I get annoyed so quickly that I turn on my vpn to home so my adblocker is active again :) But that static content. On video I can just ignore it real easy for some reason.
It’s exciting that they acknowledge the problem, but seeing how badly they did things till now it wouldn’t surprise me if they start flagging loads of legit comment as spam.
I wonder, the only reason that Google would do anything about the spam comments is because it's going to cost the money or a government threaten them with liability for allowing the scams to continue that they are aware of without doing anything. This comes down to money, and I would personally guarantee it, and I would also bet my savings account on it.
The part with "if you watch a video completely and then click on the next video from that creator and watch it completely, your feed will be full with videos from that creator" I wish! I do that all the time but still have to go on the creators channel to watch the next video because youtube shows me everything BUT videos from that channel whos video I just watched, liked and left a sub.
5:39 “I pretty much promise you that your feed is going to be full of that kind of stuff.” I commented this on the full wan show post, but I’ll say it again for good measure. No, it does not in some cases. I have been a subscriber to a channel called Ring of Fire for more than two years, it’s an independent news outlet that skews progressive and has been on the air for over 20 years. I have watched 98% of the videos that channel has posted since before November 2020. I *DO NOT* get their videos suggested to me in my feed and even though they post every hour on the hour I won’t see the video in the search results for 15-20 minutes, even if I go to their channel directly. They simply don’t show up, even though I’m a subscriber and I’ve watched thousands of videos from them. (They post 4-5 times a day on that channel and I make it a point to watch most of them every day) In contrast I watched one short from Nico Leonard, a very passionate and knowledgeable luxury watch businessman from Belfast, and my entire feed for 6 months has been full of his channels content. I enjoy his stuff, but that’s not the point I’m making. TH-cam is absolutely skewing what videos are suggested based on *content* as well. I’ve seen other ROF viewers say the same thing in the comments. I don’t believe the reps were lying to you Linus, I think they just omitted a key aspect of what the algorithm is doing
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"There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." -Yosemite Park Ranger on why it's hard to design a bear-proof garbage can.
The thing Linus was talking about where he doesn't see ads is actually very common, and it's a form of "banner blindness." People got so used to seeing banner ads on sites and knowing they didn't care about them that, for many, our brains literally just stopped registering banners (ads or otherwise) and deeming them as unimportant and not worth the time to process.
Apparently banner blindness can also refer to conscious ignoring of ads, but I always heard it talked about as the unconscious filtering, which is how I experienced it, and it feels fitting, as it basically does feel like being blind to the banner ads.
I almost have that with TH-cam ads too, they’ll serve me a survey asking if I’ve seen ads for whatever businesses, I’ll say no, then I’ll get one and be like “oh yeah I have. Still not using it tho”
When TH-cam ads on the first thing on my mind is “what channel am I watching?” Followed by “how long is this ad, can I skip after 30 seconds to get the creator paid”
I have both conscious and unconscious.
For example on websites and such where there banners covering texts I just don't register their existence, instead on TH-cam for example I have to actively think on just focus on the skip ad button to not pay attention to the ad. At least I did until I got YT premium.
On Twitch I also just mute the stream when there are ads and unmute it when they are done, in that case I pay attention to the small stream window in the top right.
I have a mix of both, im pretty good at ignoring ads and even better at not retaining them. Except some of the jingles and songs. I hate ads.
@Federico Di Liberto I fast forward thru sponsored ads and I'll never feel bad about it
Oh wow, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum. If I see an ad, I have to stop and remove it from the screen before I’ll even start reading any content. And if it’s too difficult to remove, I’ll just close that tab and go on living my life as if that content never existed in the first place. Ads are so horrendously overzealous these days that I’m completely non-functional on the internet if I’m stuck using something that doesn’t block ads. I’m just not capable of even processing anything when they’re there.
Unsurprising news: The Live Chat auto-moderation is shadowbanning actual viewers, including subscribers. There's no way for the streamer to turn it off or change anything.
Not just subscribers. But channel members as well. With over a year's worth of membership.
Also TH-cam Premium subscribers as well.
How do they always fight issues in literally the absolute worse way possible?
I got instantly autobanned for saying "I wishy frenchy was here" that was my last livechat. Then I used a phone and noticed and that was banned one hour later.
Makes you wonder.
I mod and use livechat and now I cannot use it unless I am a moderator in the chatroom ... which is like 1 of 10 i talk in per night.
@@R3_dacted0 🎯
"They've been doing something for a while"
"What do you mean, they removed the dislike button!"
EXACTLY dude. We used to be able to just downvote spam comments to death and once a certain dislike threshold was reached, the comment would be automatically hidden by default. That's just one of the many great features TH-cam used to have, and, inexplicably, no longer does.
And with each iteration, Google makes more money but the platform becomes worse for the users. It isn’t hard to see what the priority is.
pretty sure it didn't work like that
@@Malenbolai it actually did, just like videos being recommended less because of a bad dislike ratio so people didnt watch them to begin with
@@bradhaines3142 that has never been a thing.
Likes mean a thing is popular dislikes mean a thing is controversial.
Either way the more likely you are to interact with it is good to them.
Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them.
It was only ever true of comments and technically the comments still existed meaning it still boosted the video in the algorithm so they had no reason to care whether or not it was in sight.
@@RunicSigils "Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them."
NPC logic. He said they got recommended less, not that they were "magically hidden". If you can't understand the person you're replying to, you shouldn't be debating them
The thing about ad tolerance is absolutely real. I don't know why my brain makes this association, but I have the same exact response of browsing without adblock as I'd have walking into a dirty room old room. You know that feeling when the environment is so dirty you start feeling dirty? Trying to avoid touching anything? That's how it feels to me to browse with ads. It's weird, I know, but it's so strong that downloading adblock is literally the first thing I do on any computer I have to use. Even if it's 5 minutes. Sometimes even without telling the owner. I even avoid browsing on my phone (using the web browser/chrome, not talking about apps) because of ads.
Pihole helps some for phones. Also modified TH-cam apps that remove ads. Android is a given, but they exist on iOS too, and you don't even have to jailbreak your phone!
Opera Mobile or Firefox on Android with ublock is a good option if you want a mobile ad blocker
@@MuffinTastic The Lockdown app for iOS filters a lot of ads. It’s not perfect but I’d say it gets like 80% of them, which isn’t bad for a free app that minimally affects performance.
TH-cam vanzed goes brrrrrr
for me its not even a personal thing as far as PC goes, a while ago adblock just started seeming actually dangerous to do without. on my phone I just deal with it but i think that's "tolerance" in a different sense, like what linus was saying.
eventually a page can serve you a full screen of ads, and as long as you can see even a sliver of content without clicking an x your brain will literally refuse to process any of them even being there
I wonder how many thousands upon thousands of dollars scammers have stolen thanks to TH-cam's painfully slow reaction to this
TH-cam made 75Bn/year when I last checked several years ago, so if we could imagine comment section scams being 2% as effective as youtube ads, that industry would be measured in the billions of dollars.
maybe not, but tens or hundreds of millions is still likely.
I rather have scammers in chat, than 5 ads in 10 minute video. Maybe chat needs to be YTRed only.
@@dertythegrower if they listened to you nothing would get done with how much you talk just in these comments
@@timnone2924 What are you even talking about little kid? I have one reply here above
the money isn't the issue. it's the hit to their reputation that would be the long term harm. like if it got so bad all legit viewers just ignored the comments; they gotta put a stop to that.
Every time TH-cam asks if I’m satisfied with TH-cam I say no
Do you even pay for it?
@@gofreenow stop giving the left money fool.
@@gofreenow …go on
@@dirtydan6098 let him dig his hole lol
@@gofreenow i do, i pay with my privacy, is that enough?
i love how this just devolved into a conversation of how easily distracted yall are :)) ive never felt so at home lmao love this community.
Absolutely hilarious how it ends with them acknowledging that Linus will get sidetracked easily and will bring you along with the ride after 10 minutes of getting sidetracked and bring Luke along with the ride.
Squirrel?
Squirrel!
Nvme storage is very fast, ain’t that right lukey boy 🤔
Funniest shit I have heard from them in a long time :)
this is absolutly an ADHD thing, I have literally the exact same reading stories from back in school, the same complete disconnection in conversations, hearing Linus talk about his attention is like hearing myself
also I wish more people would be as understanding to ADHD as luke is
Not diagnosed with ADHD, but kind of resonates for me. I would definitely read something and focus on things other than what I was supposed to. Then there are all those lovely rabbit holes...
@@SKPetel unfortunately, there's enough people in the world that prefers to shut down topics involving mental health concerns.
as someone with ADHD, it's interfering with a lot of my life, including my academics and my content creator life.
and my fam just thinks I just dont want to put effort, or just don't have willpower.
darn conservatives...
Same! More ADHDTechTips please
Bro I would read books so much in class that I would get detentions lmao
19:45 - Yeah...my ADHD works that way as well. People think the TV show 'House' is unrealistic because he'll be talking to someone and suddenly realize something important about his case that's completely unrelated to the conversation, but when I was a millwright that's exactly how a LOT of the problems I struggled with got figured out.
I can't imagine how my mom watches all these ads while watching food recipes on TH-cam. I even told her I'll get her premium but she insists the ads are not that intrusive since she's used to 10 mins of ads in a 30 min episode slot on TV.
She's not wrong. Most people anymore are just too impatient and think they are too good to ignore the ads when they pop onto the screen. Comment sections of any LTT video mentioning ads is proof of it. Thousands of people who think they are too special to be subjected to the horror of watching even a single advertisement that pays for what they are watching. It's crazy.
I spend ad time in the comments section instead, eyeing the timer so I can skip after 30 seconds and get the creator paid
*if it’s a creator I respect
adblocker much?
@@bdhale34 Why should I have to watch ads? Why do you sit on a high horse cause you watch ads? Adblock has literally saved me countless hours of time. Times one thing you cant get back. Sure tho I think im "too good"
@@bdhale34 And how much did you earn watching all those ads of yours? Surely you must have gotten something useful out of your time. If not, you're really just accepting to be pwned constantly by the upper class at Wall Street
A bit disturbing that its taken this long to address the spam issue. Thanks for the info!
Hey at least it's a step towards things we've all been complaining to yt..... for 15+ years now.
@@KeVsPIXEL To be fair, Spam is been something TECH INDUSTRY WIDE problem since the 90s, since the DAWN OF THE INTERNET. So not surprise that youtube, a company that spam literal countries even struggled to tackle this
Another thing with ads is, they are more annoying on TH-cam and online than TV I have figured, yeah ads can be repetitive on tv but I notice it a lot more with TH-cam, where I keep seeing the same exact ad anytime an ad spot occurs. Another thing is, online ads are cheaply made unlike TV spots (Tiktok and mobile game ads being worst offenders in my opinion), and I find tv spots a tad more interesting AND TOLERABLE to watch to the point I actually find an ad I've seen on the TV, on a TH-cam video weirdly cathartic.
Ive never seen a "how did this video make you feel?" survey. Mostly I get surveys asking if I would consider buying something from a certain brand or if I've heard of a movie, and I just refuse to do those
I've been asked that multiple times. Pretty much every time it was about a video I hadn't watched. More precisely, videos that I had started to watch, but in the very beginning realized that I'll have to do something else first. And then I get the question _before_ I've had time to finish it. I don't remember being asked once about a video that I had watched to the end and either liked it, or perhaps decided not to push the like -- so maybe the questions are about videos where TH-cam couldn't figure out my judgement about the video? 🤔🤷
"They removed the dislike button" now how will I know if the video I'm watching is absolute garbage?
There's an extension called "Return TH-cam Dislikes".
@@ivoryowl ik
@@ivoryowl and what if your not on pc?
@@TheUnknownCatWarrior nothing you can do then sadly
@@TheUnknownCatWarrior TH-cam Revanced or use Firefox
holy frick when linus got into what he was like in grade school, i felt a resonance in my _soul_ . gonna send a clip of this to my parents, because that was literally me.
Great tip to quickly skip ads / double ads: on phone and probably on desktop as well, you can report the add, put "no longer see this ad" and mark it as one of the three options, that will immediately skip those ads. i always mark it as inapropriate because it's so inapropriate to show me that many stupid ads
I used to do that, but they took away my ability to do so :(
Now I only have a "why this add?" Button on every add.
Sounds good... on paper.
The question is how effective this algorithm is and whether or not they also touched the shadow-banning parameters to be even more aggressive than before...
In other words, have they made the censorship worse?
Yes. Do we even need to ask? Of course they will
@@MrRoblox1377 but it's possibly a tradeoff that's needed if you want to converse with someone without being interrupted by spam/scams. Me personally, I don't mind if it means more censorship, as long as it isnt outright ridiculous.
@@FNCVessel I and many others have been shadow banned from all live stream chats. Including members only content for channels we've been members to for months or years. It's ridiculous.
it's kind of like antibiotics: they'll probably kill off the bots and whatnot, but they'll take good people and subscribers along with them too.
It's strange that their "algorithm" can't detect that a user is posting the exact same comment 1000 times under a video but if you happen to use even slightly colorful language your comment is immediately removed.
Y'know, when I was in High-school, I basically have 2 different grade. The normal grade, and the behaviour grade. I was always pretty afraid that I might get held back entirely because my teacher may misunderstand me and seriously give me "C" on behaviour.
My eyes naturally don't have much eye-lids so teacher might misunderstand I'm actually sleeping in class and might get docked on behaviour for that.... in fact, my teacher complained to my parents which then told me which is why I'm always afraid. It does not help that I sometimes space out during the class, but can still hear and understand what my teachers are saying so I can still answer and connect to them. I'm not sure whether it contributes or not to my sleepy-looking eyes, but yeah, I was always afraid during the final report days.
Luke is the coworker every ADHDer needs 🤣😂❤
Low class on you.
13:50 I have a similar "problem". Maybe because of the banner ads from the '90s, but my brain completely ignores anything colorful in a rectangle. There've been times when I'm using software and I could not find a button I was supposed to click. I asked someone else and they were like, "It's right there, in the center of the screen! Big and green!" And I was like, "Oh, I didn't even see that."
"Single tasking four things at once" is the best way to describe ADD I've ever heard
Linus's story about math is very relatable, I'd zone out and have the anxiety snap back to reality when they'd say "added", "add them", etc
"TH-cam is FINALLY taking Spam seriously!"
me: *DOUBT*
I have a reasonable tolerance of ads, because I'm aware that's how the sites stay up. It is my payment to those sites to let the ads be.
However, if it gets excessive, I will block them.
It does feel that in recent years, ads have became more aggressive, especially youtube which I blocked about 2 years ago due to double ads AND mid roll ads. I'm not entirely sure how much it is due to greed and how much it is due to increasing amount of people using ad blockers such that they must milk more out of the ones who didn't. If it is mostly the latter, I'd actually support Google's attempt to block ad blockers (on yt at least) if, alongside that, they reduce the amount of ads served. But I find that unlikely.
They swear up and down that monetization doesn’t affect the algorithm even though every TH-camr can show their analytics that show that videos flatline when they get demonetized
Jesus I wish most people dealt with their ADHD friends and colleagues like Luke does.
3:40 too many people have posted their analytics after getting demonetized for me to believe this. Once your video is demonetized, you instantly see 10x less impressions.
I love how ADHD is a part of the creative process of Linus. I wish I could manage mine 😅
Linus, in middle school some of our students made a video making fun of the teachers in the building, showing the overused phrases, strange habits, or tiny mistakes that were memorable. The teachers thought it was a great idea and made one themselves pointing out the things students did that were either funny, annoying or weird. Three of the 25 segments were devoted to me reading in the middle of class that same exact way you talk about in the video.
"We don't enable midroll ads" - Midroll ad starts...
8:03 "There did not appear to be any difference what-so-ever [in viewer satisfaction between monitized and demonitized]
Ah, but does that take into account pretty much everyone is using adblockers these days?
I have noticed that TH-cam will adjust the knobs occasionally and really crank up the ads for videos that allow midroll ads. When that happens I just stop watching TH-cam for a few days and it seems to calm back down. I have also noticed that the amount of ads, and the number of un-skippable ads, depends on the device you are using.
1. Favorite WAN convo ever
2. TH-cam enforces a hard 2.0 K/D requirement for the privilege of commenting
someone tell Linus about ludwig's youttube extension Truffle. it makes the CHAT EXP a lot easier to read and interact both for the user and the streamer.
maybe i’m out of touch, but didn’t the streamer need to request access for it from ludwig? so even if it was on his radar it would still be on ludwig to allow it
@@majoryoshi no it rolled out fully, either way it's Linus 💀 Ludwig would get him access immediately
@@majoryoshi Ludwig opened it to everyone a while back i believe
@@RennaRoze alright, thanks for the correction! didn’t know about that
I think they already talked about this extension a few months ago on WAN, that extension sounds familiar. It was a youtube-related WAN show for sure
The school section was delightful. When I was younger, I didn't understand why it was called Attention DEFICIT Disorder. Because when something drew my attention, it got ALL OF IT! I was utterly absorbed in that information. To the exclusion of everything else. But now I'm older, I understand it was the everything else they were getting at. Same as described here, I would be entirely in my own world, oblivious to all else, and then want to share my thing, no matter what other people were doing at the time. Still do it even now, but I did eventually learn to bite my tongue so I don't immediately spew it all over the other people. But my brain will still latch onto a thing to the exclusion of all.
I enjoy TV, video games, fanfiction, D&D, TH-cam, etc. And I can usually find a balance for all these things, with peaks and troughs as I meant lean on one or two more than others for a bit. But when I find a new something. Be it a new game, a new story, a new channel, a new song even... I will become utterly obsessed with it. To the exclusion of all my other interests that that very morning could have been the most important thing in my world. It's fascinating, infuriating, and enthralling all at once.
At one point, I was hammering our new chapters to my fanfics every week, every few days at one stage. The muse was just endlessly providing. Then a friend got me interested in D&D and EVERYTHING else fell by the wayside. I was engrossed in only D&D. I wasn't playing video games, wasn't watching any TH-cam that wasn't D&D themed, didn't write for months. I became completely consumed by the new thing until my brain managed to settle it back into part of the rhythm with all the rest. The hyperfixation is great for learning that new thing, but boy does everything else suffer as a result.
I had a midroll ad 5 seconds before you said you dont do midroll ads
I was 1 min into the video and got a ad
I'm glad to say that Linus and Luke, I'm very satisfied with you both! Cheers from Australia!
I just want to state that their machine learning bot that removes comments is horrendous.
I wrote comments on a video that talked about certain TH-camr channels not being transparent about sponsorships. and I commented for him to checkout a channel with a video that weirdly promoted NFTS without disclosing any payments. My comments were constantly being removed from there.
20:52 i wonder how many times you could repeat something till Linus notices, pull a kronk. might be fun to record those meetings and just see Linus spacing out, like can we as viewers recognize when Linus has zoned out
One big problem I found is that sometimes TH-cam asks me "do you like this recommendation" for a video I've never watched
I can't see the video and THEN answer the question because the question only appears before I press and disappears once I go back.
It's kind of weird
Ironic that there’s multiple midroll ads on this video.
I’m tech savvy, but gladly watch TH-cam ads. That’s because I’m a student with low income, but I still want to support creators like Linus Media Group. My classmates rolls eyes at me and screams about ad blockers😂
whenever I see snippets of how ads work on USAmerican TV it blows my mind. You watch news and then there's an ad simultaneously in the corner alongside news on the sliding bar at the bottom. And then there is a fullblown ad playing out seeming like it's a report from some place of some event, only after seconds you realise something is off. Shit like that is totally illegal in the country I'm from. There are no ads allowed side by side the content you're watching, and when a commercial starts there has to be as very clear splash screen with an indicator, a jingle and a writing on the screen, that a commercial is about to start, and then another one when it ends, so you can't get confused what's a commercial and what is an ad. And it's crazy to me when I see snippets that don't use that. It's surreal and insanely offputting and would make me not watch TV at all
i get my youtube prime for free and has for years thats why i dont have add. so i dont know how to add anyting to this i never think about it because i just dont have add and i dont pay for it.
6:14 That used to be a thing when youtube was new, and a few years ago there was an experiment on youtube labs about star rating videos instead of like / dislike, and it basically was hate / dislike / meh / like / super like, and if it was anything less than like, it wouldn't add it to your "liked" playlist which was BS, i would have preferred options like dislike / meh / like 1 / like 2 / like 3 for different "weightings" on how much you liked it.
Now we call him Minus Sebastian
12:00 "and im standing in front of of it and its like oh glowing object, me watch". This. I thought of this exact same thing, because I experience it a lot. I hate being near a TV, because it literally pulls me out of conversations.
TH-cam shadow banned me and many others from live chats despite us just being real fans of steamers. Noticed it first in a members only stream (so I couldn't even live chat in paid content) and now I can't leave live chat comments in any streams.
Or rather, I can leave comments but they won't show up for anyone, not even myself if I use another device or refresh the current chat.
You are dead right about adverts. My children have hardly ever seen a commercial. When they do it’s almost like they are defenseless though too! I’ve wondered what to do about that aspect for a while!
The REAL reason they don't pay attention to YT chat is because they want you to feel compelled to pay for floatplane.
My dad is the opposite, not super tech savvy, but if what he’s watching changes to a commercial he’ll just change the channel to something completely different. He could be watching 3 movies at the same time because he doesn’t feel like watching ads
HA! I did the reading during class thing too! My mom taught me to pay attention to the lesson for a second or two every page turn so that I still had enough context to answer the teacher’s questions if they called on me.
6:10 I often get "were you satisfied with this video" short surveys popping up in my Recommendations as a separate section (like Shorts do). And these surveys, you guessed it, start with a 5 stars rating =)
They've came a full circle there.
My ad tolerance is incredibly low and always has been. I always mute any device I watch youtube on that doesn’t have adblock on it until at least 30 seconds have passed so that I can be sure to get to just my video I wanted to watch without seeing or hearing the ad. Unless I notice it’s one of those surveys and I always just select “none of the above” and skip it.
I refuse to believe that midrolls don't affect retention at large because when I'm on my Firestick and get 5 ads in a 12-minute video(which is every single time I try to watch youtube on Firestick) I just get fed up and watch Netflix instead.
10:17 About that. I often judge if the value of the video if is justified enough to stay through the ad and not close the video. Most times I close the video because I was just baited by the thumbnail or the title and it didn't deliver contentwise.
Linus's anecdote about not being able to see any content for all the ads on-screen exemplifies why so many people are using adblockers. The ad companies won't regulate themselves, and the government won't step in, so we're doing the regulation instead.
Off-topic, but thank you for using the correct form of 's when referring to Linus in the posessive form.
The problem with the satisfaction surveys is TH-cam presents them before you watch the video.
You guys are so funny! we need more ep like this! thank you. Take care.
i got an ad blocker cause some online articles would have pop up ads that force the text to readjust and move my screen, and id have to scroll to get past the ad.
I don't see ads either, I mostly notice when I have to scroll more than usual
“Without any kind of toggle”
Let’s see how well that goes
So TH-cam's strategy against spam bots is fight fire with fire? Boy oh boy, this could go either fairly well or incredibly wrong and I'm more inclined towards the second option.
When comes to ads, I don't mind having 1 30 seconds long skipabble ad
and if there's more than 5 ads and it's unskippable, I install an adblocker
the question is whether or not they will be enacting those policies in favor of scammers or not. for instance if somebody responds to a scammer with something unpleasant as is deserved but youtube instead targets the non scammer as a result of their asinine policies instead of noticing the scamer altogether.
One thing with TH-cam ads that I massively dislike is how you can't stop certain ads or certain companies that you get ads from from showing up. The reporting you can do seems to do very little, you just get a slightly different ad from the same company. And the system for your interests that I assume should give you ads you like seems very hit and miss.
Another thing on ads on TV. I live in Sweden and we have an ads supported channel that otherwise is free. Channel 4. They often start a movie at 9pm. With ad breaks atleast every 30mins. Just before 10pm it is ads, news, ads again and you have lost 30min of film watching time. Watching their films are just the worst. But since about a year I don't have a TV anymore. I stream what I want to watch.
TH-cam is one of the only places I see ads on my phone because I use a DNS server which blocks most of them, only downsides are it broke free WiFi networks and I can't click any sponsored links anymore whatsoever
If you frequently report ads as irrelevant then you often see survey asking how relevant the ad was for you after scrolling past one on yt
Seeing normal TV now just hurts my brain. I forgot how frequent commercials are.
I got a new add setup from youtube earlier today it still said 2 of 2 ads but that second one had something like 5 ads in a row.
Though i only watched the first one “no clue what if anything it was for since it was one of those ads where they forget to actually mention the product”
Always nice “for me” when they do that as they tend to actually make them interesting. They don’t do it often though for obvious reasons.
A video that talks about ads in videos had a mid-roll add. Wen a mid-roll ad appears, I do evaluate if I want to keep watching the video or not.
TH-cam does not let you skip adds. Most of the time when you jump from one video to another, you will encounter another add, and if you jump again and again, you will find out that you lose more time. Adding the fact that mobile is strong, and once an add starts playing, you need to exit fullscreen colapse the add text under the video and then you can switch the video, but then you need to decide what you want to watch, and by that moment either the skyp is available or it moved to the second add, and your attention will jump to the add. Not affecting, not totaly true, is more of a, people do not get benefits from trying to manually dodge an add. You either buy premium or install addblock.
I would, in a second, get rid of my ADD if I could! It makes my life so much more difficult. Then again I'm also dyslexic, so i can't read like linus, and that knocks out basically learning anything that's not in video format :(
Don't worry ADD doesn't exist anymore. You have ADHD now (allegedly). They keep renaming disorders all the time
@@JamesTK they are not renaming things. They are 2 different things. Please don't spread misinformation and look things up when you don't know.
@@eliehalimi They are not 2 different things(kind of). You are using outdated knowledge. Please stop spreading misinformation
I'm surprised they dont use Ludwig's Truffle extension to get a readable flow for live chat. Doesn't help with botting but alleviates one of those two pain points.
Yeah, Truffle is really a great extension, and TH-cam's goal should be to absolutely murder Truffle by implementing its features into the default chat system. Ideally, Truffle wouldn't have to exist in the first place because TH-cam chat would be good enough to begin with, yet here we are.
Hell no the last thing truffle needs is youtube interfering
I have DEFINITLY seen that there is no midroll ads. And I love it. Thiank you so much
I get mid roll ads every time
There's also a Mr. Beast scam ad, that has been running for months and still no action from TH-cam... I don't understand how hard it is to ban anyone from using big creator names in ads without human approval.
I have zero tolerance, I am from the start of the internet. That's why I am an ad blocking pirate called Borat from Kazakhstan.
13:01 there isn't but there's very few ads on it and you just skip it by scrolling up like it's a video u don't want to watch
Mid-roll ads not affecting retention seems easy to explain to me: If minutes into a video I'm still here, I probably want to see the rest of the video. If there are ads, I probably will rather suffer through an ad and turn the volume all the way down, than miss the rest of a video that I find interesting.
So retention? Yes. But being satisfied with the experience (actually satisfied, not what TH-cam calls "satisfied")? No.
i have youtube premium and ublock origin so i dont have to deal with ads
the survey thing shows up sometimes for me on the home page after i watch a video a few times
From what I've seen (semi controlled) is that any video which is limited from the start or after the fact will instantly lose traction if it was wrongly self-certified with either the bot or the "human reviewer" setting it to limited. Any limited video set to limited correctly by the uploader tends to gain traction, but that traction is overall a lot less than fully monetized videos. Retention, interaction seems unaffected, but the traction (pushing the video out) is somewhat influenced by limited vs fully monetized. YT speaks in half truths all the time, mostly cause they seem to have no clue either so it pays to be vague
My test case is over 470 videos that gives a pretty good guestimate of how it works.
Great to know it’s measuring satisfaction, now I just need it to measure _non-satisfaction_ in the form of ‘sees an add from a channel and then immediately goes to that channel to block them’ and also clinking ‘don’t show me this add’ type buttons _does not mean_ ‘spam me constantly with similar adds from said channel’.
Also if it could keep blocked channels out of my searches that would be just great.
15:00
I don't even know my mother took the Christmas tree away. I wouldn't notice that it was gone.
TH-cam thinks ads don't effect retention??
My apartment is the hangout spot for a bunch of my friends, who will congregate in the living room and watch TH-cam videos together
The literal audible groan whenever an ad pops up is inescapable
Most times if the meat of the video was already shown and an ad pops up they just back out of that video and go to something else
I’ve noticed some SPAM recently where a bot posts an off topic comment. Once it was religious and money related, another it simply referenced being poor and worried about retirement. Then a whole bunch of fake comments were added to the first with bots chiming in with “answers” and references to where someone could get help with the subject. Obviously a shady source is given. And of course they upvote it so it appears as the first comment.
18:53 'well i guess we're talking about that now' rofl i can't, haha...
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I just developed a sort of /ignore for ads. Even if my wife watches normal cable TV, if ads appear, I just zone out and ignore the content. On webpages though I ffing hate it, and whenever I'm not at home (where my firewall blocks 99.99% of all ads), and I start browsing on 5g on my phone I get annoyed so quickly that I turn on my vpn to home so my adblocker is active again :) But that static content. On video I can just ignore it real easy for some reason.
I appreciate the LTT ads are super short, not like 2+ minutes out of a 10 minutes video
I mean, if ChatGPT is doing the moderation, I could be down.
It’s exciting that they acknowledge the problem, but seeing how badly they did things till now it wouldn’t surprise me if they start flagging loads of legit comment as spam.
Luke and Yvonne deserve Canonization as the patron saints of patience
09:20 Linus talking about non mid roll ads and I got mid roll ad directly before.. maybe it does not count for wan show?
the fact that this video had mid video ads turned on
Why do I get this feeling that this would 100% go in the wrong direction.
I wonder, the only reason that Google would do anything about the spam comments is because it's going to cost the money or a government threaten them with liability for allowing the scams to continue that they are aware of without doing anything. This comes down to money, and I would personally guarantee it, and I would also bet my savings account on it.
Now they just need to deal with the issue where if I turn in-line playback off, IT SHOULD STAY OFF.
The part with "if you watch a video completely and then click on the next video from that creator and watch it completely, your feed will be full with videos from that creator" I wish! I do that all the time but still have to go on the creators channel to watch the next video because youtube shows me everything BUT videos from that channel whos video I just watched, liked and left a sub.
5:39 “I pretty much promise you that your feed is going to be full of that kind of stuff.”
I commented this on the full wan show post, but I’ll say it again for good measure.
No, it does not in some cases. I have been a subscriber to a channel called Ring of Fire for more than two years, it’s an independent news outlet that skews progressive and has been on the air for over 20 years.
I have watched 98% of the videos that channel has posted since before November 2020. I *DO NOT* get their videos suggested to me in my feed and even though they post every hour on the hour I won’t see the video in the search results for 15-20 minutes, even if I go to their channel directly. They simply don’t show up, even though I’m a subscriber and I’ve watched thousands of videos from them. (They post 4-5 times a day on that channel and I make it a point to watch most of them every day)
In contrast I watched one short from Nico Leonard, a very passionate and knowledgeable luxury watch businessman from Belfast, and my entire feed for 6 months has been full of his channels content. I enjoy his stuff, but that’s not the point I’m making.
TH-cam is absolutely skewing what videos are suggested based on *content* as well. I’ve seen other ROF viewers say the same thing in the comments.
I don’t believe the reps were lying to you Linus, I think they just omitted a key aspect of what the algorithm is doing