100% agree. If you have a few shoes, the most important thing is which one do you constantly want to reach for. Which shoe do you just enjoy running in?
I have the Cumulus 24s at 750kms and they are doing fine, the outer is still going strong. Not super springy but it is a daily trainer for my recovery and long runs. I expect a daily trainer to get to 800kms, so nearly there - go Cumulus!❤
Thank you for the Vlog, I have to agree with you Seth. After my walk/run today I can say they're not as bouncy as the NovaBlast 2's but they are ok. Hopefully I plan to put more miles on various surfaces
The review feels a bit like: The shoe feels great while running. It's a 7.5 for sure. In the Shoedio: oh no, it twists in my hands and it doesn't bend like I thought it would and oh... The durometer says no! Barely a 7! I think you should go more by feel.
QD I can't find a lot of shoes in my size so I have to buy shoes that do everything. I just got my Cumulus 25 and hope they can do at least 800km. I'll be running two marathons in them this year. Rotating between the Cumulus and NB880v12 for all my training.
QD: I’m a relatively new runner so I had no idea about running shoe durability. I have to say I was a little disappointed that my New Balance Rebel V3’s only lasted about 300 miles before going completely dead/flat on me. I guess I had higher expectations cause before I started running, sneakers would last me 1-2 years.
Especially given today's price points, I typically expect a shoe to get to a minimum of 400 miles. As someone who trains mostly for 5ks and stays healthy around the 35-45 mile/week range, each shoe should last at least two 12-16 week training blocks. That's assuming I rotate my shoes regularly and don't just use one shoe for everything. In that case, I'd expect about 10 weeks per shoe (10 weeks x 40ish miles).
I took the insole out of the cumulus 25 and replaced it with the sacouny 20 power run insole, and it became the most lively , plush, comfortable, stable, daily trainer of the year.
Hi Seth, your durability estimation was spot on! Had these since launch and stretched at 540km....they are done. Started deteriorating significantly at 400km and by 500km you should retire them. Good job!
I agree 💯 with you Seth. I love hearing you think out loud and express your thoughts about it as it came to your mind. When I did my review on the Cumulus 25 I continually internally compared it to the Clifton 9s.
Expecting 350 of good use and up to 500-600 without hurting my legs. but honestly, will buy a new shoe anytime I see a good deal (just got Nike Invincible for 44$ at the nike outlet)
Those shoes are narrow in midfoot, but what about toebox? Some people say that is wider than 24 (24 was narrow all over the shoe, especially on toebox) and nimbus 25. Do you agree? Is toe box so wide as old version (like for example nimbus 23)?
I have done 1800kms in my Cumulus 23 and still they are doing great in midsole but Upper is tearing out.. currently I bought Novablast 3 for my recovery runs & thinking to get Cumulus 25 or 24 as I am in love with cumulus ❤
QD: My expectation is 750km which I usually put into Garmin Connect when adding a new shoe to my rotation. My shoes wear from the lateral side of the toebox/midfoot so e.g. Kinvaras which don’t have any rubber there last ca 600km.
QD: a roadshoe has to do at least 1000 km for me. The Endorphin speed 2 did, the Mach 4 allready went very bad on 550 km. S And the Cumulus 21 made it to 1200 km and breaking down a bit now!!
QOD: my mileage expectations, being a heavier runner I expect 300 max. 250 on the road and the next 50 on the treadmill. After that they become mowing shoes.
Just ordered cumulus 25..daily 5k road runner..in the am..however ordered us size 13..whereas i normally use size 12..hope that wouldnt be a problem..as i prefer 1 size larger than running..have Asics trail shoes for walking in evening
How did that go? I ust tried he Cumulus at my size and I found I didn't need a bigger size. I think bigger sizes work, but the materials do not si exactly where they are supposed to by design with respect to the foot points, so different experience. I also tried a Nimbus at 2 sizes bigget than normal and it was fine to use, seemed o offer more arch support, but then tried it in my normal size, the perceived arch support had gone and it felt more cushioned than the bigger size!
QD: about 350, I’ve had a good few shoes make it that far, but never past 400. The midsoles always seem to feel dead somewhere between 350 and 400 for me, and I’m somewhat prone to injuries, so I don’t take them past the dead point
I expect to get 400 miles out of each pair of shoes. Some exceed this, e.g., Asics Glideride and Saucony Endorphin Speed, while others fall a bit short, e.g., Asics Novablast 3. Nevertheless, they are all good shoes on my "would-buy-it-again" list.
@@ABucc many elite runners are heel strikers. It doesn't affect your speed and I have no problem with knees nor hips. In fact, these are my least problematic areas. 🤷🏼♂️
@@patrickvanderwal6324 To my knowledge heel striking got a bad rap during the big minimalist craze which has persisted in a lot of runners’ minds even though the data doesn’t really back up heel striking being worse for you than midfoot and forefoot striking and the fact that the majority of runners, even elite athletes, heel strike at most paces.
Your forefoot is designed to absorb and disperse impacts. With a heel strike the impact is transferred up the leg to the knees and hips. That said a lot of folks heel strike and are just fine.
Sometimes I think you yank on the shoes and laces like it's a hockey skate. It causes the two parts of the upper being too close and the toe scrunching. Back off the yanking and let the shoe fit as intended
Ok so it felt good when running but then when u "analyze" it afterwards using dourooooometer it wasn't great - this is the reason i never like or dislike shoe based on these so called shoe experts on yourube - rubbish absolute crap
If you have a wide foot and our over 90 kilos this is the shoe for you. 25 will be my 4th pair. The downside is that they seem less durable from generation to generation.
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Is it not more important how it feels on the actual run rather than all the numbers and perception of what those numbers mean?!? 🤷♂️
100% agree. If you have a few shoes, the most important thing is which one do you constantly want to reach for. Which shoe do you just enjoy running in?
I have the Cumulus 24s at 750kms and they are doing fine, the outer is still going strong. Not super springy but it is a daily trainer for my recovery and long runs. I expect a daily trainer to get to 800kms, so nearly there - go Cumulus!❤
Thank you for the Vlog, I have to agree with you Seth. After my walk/run today I can say they're not as bouncy as the NovaBlast 2's but they are ok. Hopefully I plan to put more miles on various surfaces
I really love this shoe. Returned the Nimbus for the Cumulus.
The review feels a bit like:
The shoe feels great while running. It's a 7.5 for sure.
In the Shoedio: oh no, it twists in my hands and it doesn't bend like I thought it would and oh... The durometer says no! Barely a 7!
I think you should go more by feel.
QD I can't find a lot of shoes in my size so I have to buy shoes that do everything. I just got my Cumulus 25 and hope they can do at least 800km. I'll be running two marathons in them this year. Rotating between the Cumulus and NB880v12 for all my training.
QD: I’m a relatively new runner so I had no idea about running shoe durability. I have to say I was a little disappointed that my New Balance Rebel V3’s only lasted about 300 miles before going completely dead/flat on me. I guess I had higher expectations cause before I started running, sneakers would last me 1-2 years.
Especially given today's price points, I typically expect a shoe to get to a minimum of 400 miles. As someone who trains mostly for 5ks and stays healthy around the 35-45 mile/week range, each shoe should last at least two 12-16 week training blocks. That's assuming I rotate my shoes regularly and don't just use one shoe for everything. In that case, I'd expect about 10 weeks per shoe (10 weeks x 40ish miles).
Amen! PianoMan!!! And now I know your face thanks to the group run in Boston!
I took the insole out of the cumulus 25 and replaced it with the sacouny 20 power run insole, and it became the most lively , plush, comfortable, stable, daily trainer of the year.
You gave a great Idea, does make a big difference and made me keep my cumulus 25! Thanks !
Interesting. What do you men by "sacouny 20 power run insole" though? You took the insol from a Triumph 20 you owned before?
@@yianpap6093 exactly
@@mickyward3716 Thanks! Bummer though, I do not own any Triumphs:(
But the insole of the Triumph 20 is so thick...
Appreciate your videos, they help people like myself shift through all the choices in the market.
My expectations used to be 350-400 miles for a shoe. Older legs and the softer foams these days got me hoping for 250-350 miles.
Hi Seth, your durability estimation was spot on! Had these since launch and stretched at 540km....they are done. Started deteriorating significantly at 400km and by 500km you should retire them. Good job!
do you think about whether a particular type of shoe is good for a heal striker vs midfoot or forefoot?
I agree 💯 with you Seth. I love hearing you think out loud and express your thoughts about it as it came to your mind. When I did my review on the Cumulus 25 I continually internally compared it to the Clifton 9s.
Nice Joel, great minds think alike!
Which is better for long (10-15km) fast-paced walks on paved surfaces: Gel-Cumulus 25 or NB 1080v12?
Expecting 350 of good use and up to 500-600 without hurting my legs. but honestly, will buy a new shoe anytime I see a good deal (just got Nike Invincible for 44$ at the nike outlet)
Those shoes are narrow in midfoot, but what about toebox? Some people say that is wider than 24 (24 was narrow all over the shoe, especially on toebox) and nimbus 25. Do you agree? Is toe box so wide as old version (like for example nimbus 23)?
I have done 1800kms in my Cumulus 23 and still they are doing great in midsole but Upper is tearing out.. currently I bought Novablast 3 for my recovery runs & thinking to get Cumulus 25 or 24 as I am in love with cumulus ❤
QD: My expectation is 750km which I usually put into Garmin Connect when adding a new shoe to my rotation. My shoes wear from the lateral side of the toebox/midfoot so e.g. Kinvaras which don’t have any rubber there last ca 600km.
QD: a roadshoe has to do at least 1000 km for me. The Endorphin speed 2 did, the Mach 4 allready went very bad on 550 km. S
And the Cumulus 21 made it to 1200 km and breaking down a bit now!!
QOD: my mileage expectations, being a heavier runner I expect 300 max. 250 on the road and the next 50 on the treadmill. After that they become mowing shoes.
How are these in comparison to Hoke Clifton 8 ?
Usually 500 miles but I have found rotating shoes is best if you want to use the shoe longer.
Just ordered cumulus 25..daily 5k road runner..in the am..however ordered us size 13..whereas i normally use size 12..hope that wouldnt be a problem..as i prefer 1 size larger than running..have Asics trail shoes for walking in evening
How did that go? I ust tried he Cumulus at my size and I found I didn't need a bigger size. I think bigger sizes work, but the materials do not si exactly where they are supposed to by design with respect to the foot points, so different experience. I also tried a Nimbus at 2 sizes bigget than normal and it was fine to use, seemed o offer more arch support, but then tried it in my normal size, the perceived arch support had gone and it felt more cushioned than the bigger size!
QD: about 350, I’ve had a good few shoes make it that far, but never past 400. The midsoles always seem to feel dead somewhere between 350 and 400 for me, and I’m somewhat prone to injuries, so I don’t take them past the dead point
QD: 500+ to justify the cost. Unfortunately, some shoes don't get up there if I just don't feel awesome running in them.
Shoooooooe review! Thanks Seth
Congrats 170k!
thanks Stephen!
I expect to get 400 miles out of each pair of shoes. Some exceed this, e.g., Asics Glideride and Saucony Endorphin Speed, while others fall a bit short, e.g., Asics Novablast 3. Nevertheless, they are all good shoes on my "would-buy-it-again" list.
It doesn’t even look like your heel touches the ground when you run. Beautiful form.
Why does heel striking have a bad rep?
@@patrickvanderwal6324 it has bad rep for your knees and hips.
@@ABucc many elite runners are heel strikers. It doesn't affect your speed and I have no problem with knees nor hips. In fact, these are my least problematic areas. 🤷🏼♂️
@@patrickvanderwal6324 To my knowledge heel striking got a bad rap during the big minimalist craze which has persisted in a lot of runners’ minds even though the data doesn’t really back up heel striking being worse for you than midfoot and forefoot striking and the fact that the majority of runners, even elite athletes, heel strike at most paces.
Your forefoot is designed to absorb and disperse impacts. With a heel strike the impact is transferred up the leg to the knees and hips. That said a lot of folks heel strike and are just fine.
This shoe works for my foot. I wear 12 wide.
Bingo! Definitely coming across on the wider side. Thanks as always for chiming in Dan
700-800km is happiness
Nimbus was so soft that it felt super unstable. My knees also hurt after awhile
Unpopular opinion: cumulus line is always better than nimbus imo.
P.s AHAR is the most durable in all rubber in the market.
Maybe close or equal to-but not more durable than-the adidas Continental rubber
400 miles
You can't beat that comfort from the Nimbus.
Sometimes I think you yank on the shoes and laces like it's a hockey skate. It causes the two parts of the upper being too close and the toe scrunching. Back off the yanking and let the shoe fit as intended
Makes my feet hurt just hearing the slap of the outsole hitting the ground..
First!
I wish us9 below 245g 😂
400 miles for a road shoe/daily trainer.
Ok so it felt good when running but then when u "analyze" it afterwards using dourooooometer it wasn't great - this is the reason i never like or dislike shoe based on these so called shoe experts on yourube - rubbish absolute crap
Good review.
My friend i am looking Asics 25 for a walking shoes do you think is good let me know
If you have a wide foot and our over 90 kilos this is the shoe for you. 25 will be my 4th pair. The downside is that they seem less durable from generation to generation.