The Infamous Courtesan from the Russian Ghetto | La Païva

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  • Welcome to Forgotten Lives! In today's episode, we are looking into the life of Esther Lachmann known as la Païva! A 19th century courtesan who became extremely wealthy!
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ความคิดเห็น • 626

  • @Presca1
    @Presca1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +613

    Can you imagine, you marry your husband and you're rummaging around in the attic or something and find his former wife in embalming fluids? OMG

    • @flashylights
      @flashylights 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      Be back honey going to grocery store for sugar. (Runs and never looks back)

    • @cynthiameans
      @cynthiameans 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      IKR!

    • @flashylights
      @flashylights 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@cynthiameans 😂🤣🤣run girll

    • @cynthiacarr3294
      @cynthiacarr3294 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Ikr! She probably Screamed !

    • @susanyoung5447
      @susanyoung5447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yuck and EWWW.

  • @mdstanton1813
    @mdstanton1813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +620

    Morals aside, she sounded like she must have been intelligent to navigate a sexist and antisemitic time and still end up with all that money and all those men

    • @rebeccalee1065
      @rebeccalee1065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      She Couldn't Have Faced Too Much Sexism, Or Anti-Semitism, If She Became Wealthy. It Was A Good Thing She Abandoned Her Children...She Would've Been A Horrible Role Model.

    • @SafetySpooon
      @SafetySpooon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@rebeccalee1065 How do you know how much she faced? She lived a sexist life as it was, selling her body for money. She just worked the system to her own advantage. As far as antisemitism goes, she changed her name, didn't she? She was trying to hide who she was from the start. that's how MANY Jews have prospered through the years, even if it's found out later.

    • @YourGraceMyLady
      @YourGraceMyLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      SafetySpooon you sound mad that Jews get money lol 😂 sorry but you do.

    • @rebeccalee1065
      @rebeccalee1065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@SafetySpooon Why The RANT?! It's Not That Serious. If You Are SO Concerned, Where Is Your COMPASSION For The Children She Had Abandoned?

    • @sandra-jones
      @sandra-jones 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@YourGraceMyLady actually they sound upset because this woman is being judged and misunderstood.

  • @MsSilentsiren
    @MsSilentsiren 4 ปีที่แล้ว +375

    How the hell these people get around like this and I can't even get a man to say hello to me?

    • @lizr990
      @lizr990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I feel u

    • @WayToVibe
      @WayToVibe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      I know the question is from two months ago, but courtesans were a part of life for aristocrats. It was a culturally accepted thing and as much as women who did it may be looked down on, they also were looked up to because they couldn't just rely on family name for a man's attention but had to actually be intelligent and good for something other than breeding. There are a number of women who still do this art form to this day. There are literally hundreds of books out there detailing how to catch the attention of rich men and keep them coming back. Courtesans still exist, they just go by the name "trophy wife" and "gold digger" now.

    • @patandersen4271
      @patandersen4271 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You're born 2 late.

    • @clarissaubawuike6596
      @clarissaubawuike6596 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      🤣🤣🤦‍♀️

    • @wowso4
      @wowso4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Tell me about it! I can't even get one proposal maybe its a good thing since we have good morals lol and not willing to sale ourselves. 😆

  • @YannaWanna
    @YannaWanna 4 ปีที่แล้ว +427

    The original city girl. 😂

    • @chocolatetye797
      @chocolatetye797 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I'm loving your name... I might have to steal that..

    • @lboogie2679
      @lboogie2679 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      😝

    • @tannekabrown
      @tannekabrown 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      😅😂🤣

    • @sashacruz7080
      @sashacruz7080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      😂‼️

    • @NYLily07
      @NYLily07 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me too! And you’re pretty!

  • @TisHotMessHistory
    @TisHotMessHistory 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I need a part 2 because I want to know how his wife reacted upon finding his dead wife in the attic. Did she tell him to remove her at once? I need to know!
    Great video!

    • @Vailyn
      @Vailyn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That would also interest me very much! It was an intriguing ending that I would have liked to know more about.

    • @Shoebidoo1
      @Shoebidoo1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Count Guido's second wife Jekaterina Slepzowa (1862 - 1929), who came from St Petersburg and was 32 years younger than him, suffered a heavy shock and a nervous breakdown when she detected her predecessor's body in an alcohol-filled glass tank. But she could not get her husband to remove it from the attic of Neudeck Castle (today: Swierklaniec in Silesia, Poland). Only after Count Guido's death in 1916, his first wife was buried in the Von Henckel-Donnersmarck family vault.

    • @Shoebidoo1
      @Shoebidoo1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Vailyn I gave a detailed answer to @Hot Mess History with Ti Said What Ti Said which could be interesting for you too, please look above! Best wishes

    • @Vailyn
      @Vailyn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Shoebidoo1 Thank you for this answer. That's shocking. I can't even imagine how she must have felt. Pure horror! Have a wonderful day and thank you again. :)

    • @Shoebidoo1
      @Shoebidoo1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Vailyn You're welcome! Greetings from Germany

  • @elisianez1291
    @elisianez1291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    There's a mexican saying that goes "A woman has more pull than a team of oxen"

    • @carissacortazzo
      @carissacortazzo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Omg my mom would say this except she’s from South America not Mexico and her words exactly “ two pubic hairs have more pull than two oxen”

    • @deb7534
      @deb7534 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@carissacortazzo like in Italian: "tira più un pelo di figa che un carro di buoi!" 😂

    • @Janeofbucks
      @Janeofbucks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Facts only!😂

    • @susanyoung5447
      @susanyoung5447 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@deb7534 Could you translate that for me, please? I am curious.

    • @ozver
      @ozver 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My aunt in Mexico used to say, “jala mas un par de tetas que una carreta.” Translation: it pulls more a pair of tits that an ox cart.

  • @bunnymad5049
    @bunnymad5049 4 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    Yay! Been hanging out! thanks for your hard work. xx. "She's at least 40 ... " says a male who was at least 50 but still considered himself a catch. Nothing much has changed! As they say - women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street, bald with a beer gut and think they're still sexy". lol.

    • @jamsaidemelo1367
      @jamsaidemelo1367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It's already happening.

    • @jjba3571
      @jjba3571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      And funny enought our society make fun of old womam that look young too, "she tries to stay young poor her" .... excuse me what ???? If she is still hot good for her !!!

    • @ace6285
      @ace6285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      See it all the time.

    • @susanyoung5447
      @susanyoung5447 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😆

    • @susanyoung5447
      @susanyoung5447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@jjba3571 I knew a woman just like that. Only she was still beautiful in her 50s. Very beautiful. She was my mother's best friend.

  • @pandorasbox4238
    @pandorasbox4238 4 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    It's amazing how you find these almost nobody people, historically speaking, with such fascinating stories of eventful lives. Don't stop what you're doing, because this is one of my favorite curiosity channels I listen to to relax and find much inspiration from.

  • @Those.who.stay.silent.consent
    @Those.who.stay.silent.consent 4 ปีที่แล้ว +228

    By the way, "Maison de passe" means "brothel", a literal translation would be "home of trick" as in French "passe" means "trick", an informal word for "sexual relationship provided by a prostitute". The name of the establishment gives it all away, where is the mystery lol

    • @pickettywitchoriginal
      @pickettywitchoriginal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thanks for the information Qeenie 🙂

    • @ForgottenLives
      @ForgottenLives  4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Interesting! Thanks!

    • @susanyoung5447
      @susanyoung5447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Very interesting. I love learning about language. Especially those that are foreign to me.

    • @megancrager4397
      @megancrager4397 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's where it came from!? Thx for sharing. I always wondered how that term became used for prostitution

  • @primesspct2
    @primesspct2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    I don’t know whether cudos are in order or boos! Lol A very ambitious amoral woman, but she obviously had some hidden “ talents”. I wonder if she ever thought about her 2 children? And how did she avoid having many many more?

    • @bannanaberryboard
      @bannanaberryboard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I’m sure she did think about them, however there was no way she was going to be able to keep either of them, as custody would’ve gone to the fathers anyway (both because she was a woman and because of her reputation in particular)

    • @MK-hh1vo
      @MK-hh1vo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      She probably didn't want them or thought much about them. With the status and riches she acquired she could have fought for custody or at least visitation. I think as she got richer she was more privy to ways to prevent pregnancy that weren't available to poor women.

    • @Shoebidoo1
      @Shoebidoo1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Both children did not live to grow old. Antoine Villoing jr., born in 1837, stayed with his father Antoine sr. and died in 1862. Henriette Herz (born and died around 1840/45) lived with her paternal grandparents in Vienna.

    • @sheilahales4313
      @sheilahales4313 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bannanaberryboard I doubt she cared about them. She prefered the high life and her jewels than she did her children

  • @preciousalley7615
    @preciousalley7615 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Fun fact, the womam in the thumbnail is not La Paiva. She is actually la Belle Otero, another famous and rich ( not in later life though ) courtesan.

  • @clairmac
    @clairmac 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    She sounds like someone you'd honestly hate to know in real life. "Look at me I super rich"...abandons children, leaves lovers broke, marries a man to take off with both his name and money the very next day. What a class act... not.

  • @mustangnawt1
    @mustangnawt1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +215

    Hooker, gold digger, child
    abandoner. Rich in the pocket poor in the heart. Great story. Thank you

    • @ForgottenLives
      @ForgottenLives  4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thanks for watching!

    • @mermaidzoephiahart
      @mermaidzoephiahart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Facts

    • @mariefray7014
      @mariefray7014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You sumed it up pretty good

    • @avamasquerade
      @avamasquerade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I've never heard someone so completely destroyed the way the Goncourt brothers did to her...like they shredded her very soul with the coldest take down I've ever had the pleasure of reading, the barrage of brutality broken up with the tiniest and most calculating of complements ...I'm just....so damn impressed I can't hardly stand it...

    • @avamasquerade
      @avamasquerade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've never heard someone so completely destroyed the way the Goncourt brothers did to her...like they shredded her very soul with the coldest take down I've ever had the pleasure of reading, the barrage of brutality broken up with the tiniest and most calculating of complements ...I'm just....so damn impressed I can't hardly stand it...

  • @karenjarrett8904
    @karenjarrett8904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    She was going to obtain her goal, come heck or high water. Well done I do so enjoy your narration. Thank you again for all the hard work you do.

  • @juneroberts5305
    @juneroberts5305 4 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    No matter how one feels about her tactics, she did exceptionally well for someone born with three strikes against them (female, poor, Jewish).
    Fascinating story, thanks!

    • @rebeccalee1065
      @rebeccalee1065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      What She Obtained In This World Didn't Earn Her Much In Respect, Did It? So Much For Her Doing "Exceptionally" Well.

    • @juneroberts5305
      @juneroberts5305 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@rebeccalee1065 True, but others like her died diseased, starving, and poor. She did well just for the fact she made a good life for herself and died with some dignity. She was a Jewish woman, and nothing would have earned her the respect of people to begin with in that era.

    • @rebeccalee1065
      @rebeccalee1065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@juneroberts5305 Tell Me, What Should Mean More To A Woman...Their Dignified Honor And Respect? Or, The Amount Of Wealth They Had Obtained In This World (Through IMMORAL Means)?

    • @esterherschkovich6499
      @esterherschkovich6499 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agree!A fighter on those scores..!

    • @SafetySpooon
      @SafetySpooon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@rebeccalee1065 Only you can choose for you, & others can choose for themselves.

  • @elizabethspedding1975
    @elizabethspedding1975 4 ปีที่แล้ว +236

    She may have made a lot of money, but how heartless are you to leave your children.

    • @lodnisroub
      @lodnisroub 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      Men do it all the time...

    • @TheAncestors1738
      @TheAncestors1738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@lodnisroub And so what? Does that make it right?

    • @daisyjune5135
      @daisyjune5135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      She was a narcissist. Manipulated people and didn’t care about her children.

    • @cooper1st
      @cooper1st 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      The kids may have been better off without her given her personality.

    • @analyhernandez4607
      @analyhernandez4607 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Petra Hyklová that does not make it right for a woman to do it. It’s wrong either way.

  • @jeraldbaxter3532
    @jeraldbaxter3532 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    What I really like about your videos is your knack for presenting the positive aspects of peoples lives, without avoiding the sadness. In today's world we are bombarded with negativity; you are a refreshing balance of reality (the positive and the negative) that we need.

  • @brendaholliday6866
    @brendaholliday6866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    What a fascinating story about this courtesan's life. I hadn't heard of her but I was riveted to every word of your story about her. I wonder what happened to her son and daughter and did they know about their mother's lifestyle. I was surprised that she ended up a wealthy woman because most courtesan's end up penniless. Great investigating of this story!

    • @ForgottenLives
      @ForgottenLives  4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Glad you enjoyed! Her kids died around 20ish of I'm correct

    • @bannanaberryboard
      @bannanaberryboard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They probably heard at least some amount of rumors about her, especially from their fathers’ or their fathers’ families

    • @TheMightyBlackPearl
      @TheMightyBlackPearl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@bannanaberryboard It's sad because we don't know what all the children were told. For instance, you know how during breakups/divorces (ugly ones) typically if children are involved, families take sides. Like the father's parents would take his side and vice versa. So that also means that whatever information they did receive on her, it could have been skewed out of anger, pain, ect, since we know that her first child was taken in by her Paternal Grandparents and raised.
      I hope not. I hope they got the full true story. I believe that everybody should know where/who they come from, if they choose!

  • @adolfoaguilar3658
    @adolfoaguilar3658 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Her story reminds me of the Mexican telenovela “Teresa”, perhaps they were inspired by Esther’s own life.

    • @sj.x04
      @sj.x04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rubi too!

  • @ImprovementisGrowth
    @ImprovementisGrowth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    She wasn't made for motherhood or marriage. She was all about me, myself, and I.

    • @hoe4_sho
      @hoe4_sho ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Women are not a one size fits all, some want a family, others weren't meant to embark down that path. And there is nothing wrong with that. Nor is there anything wrong with putting yourself first. Some do this in the most literal sense and others do this by choosing the nuclear family, because it is their desire in life. Both are admirable.

    • @Curlyblonde
      @Curlyblonde 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Typical Narcissist. Constantly need fresh supply of many romantic partners, can be involved with many at the same time, with their need for others' resources for them to live off of. Most of them abandon their children or become very distant parents. Children get in their way of them having a good time, cost money that they would rather spend on themselves and may also take the spotlight off them.

  • @hpdpco6634
    @hpdpco6634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Reddish hair under her arms"....?

  • @rosedimitro5566
    @rosedimitro5566 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I need to get some pointers from her. Lol 😂

  • @sherryramirez6329
    @sherryramirez6329 4 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    the fact that she discarded both her children seriously calls her moral fiber in question fo rme

    • @catherineervin2630
      @catherineervin2630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yes! Thank you. My thoughts exactly .

    • @JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo
      @JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Exactly. You made them, their your responsibility. Dont want responsibility, dont have em.

    • @sandra-jones
      @sandra-jones 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @Sherry Ramirez Would you rather she keep two unwanted children? Just because you don't want children does not make you immoral. Unwanted children are often abused. This was a time period when it was against the law to use birth control *and* to refuse your husband. She did what was best for those children at the time.

    • @sherryramirez6329
      @sherryramirez6329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@sandra-jones i have two grown children thank you very much. But i would ask do you think that they babies deserve to be murdered before they even have a chance to live? Yes abuse happens but we cannot use that as an excuse for murder.

    • @kamurablade
      @kamurablade 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@sandra-jones I guarantee you she didn't do it out of the kindness and loving heart of a mother, lol. She was a selfish sociopath who just needed her kids out of the way. They sure were better off without her.

  • @esterherschkovich6499
    @esterherschkovich6499 4 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    Sad to leave her children but yet,they were better off without her.. boy she had some crazy courage..and in Hebrew Chutzpah..Cheek!!!

    • @saevori4896
      @saevori4896 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Stella David being a ruthless good digger has nothing to do with “Hebrew Chutzpah”. Have some standards for goodness sakes.

    • @chihuahuadog9996
      @chihuahuadog9996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fransn zol esn zayn laybe!

    • @patandersen4271
      @patandersen4271 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOL she sure did well said, Stella David.

    • @MK-hh1vo
      @MK-hh1vo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Sbe probably didn't want those kids, was probably forced to have them, glad to leave them behind. I too give her kudos for being a bad broad who took no prisoners! Go girl!

  • @jackielosey9446
    @jackielosey9446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow these women knew how to make stuff happen. Money. Money. Money.

  • @ashleydebartolo1219
    @ashleydebartolo1219 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Looking at photos of her online.. her bed is incredible!! Very “The birth of Venus”

  • @NastyWoman1979
    @NastyWoman1979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Ahhh I wanted to know what happened when the new wife found her body in the attic!!! 😲

    • @jasondaricus4513
      @jasondaricus4513 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      She called the cops

    • @erikrungemadsen2081
      @erikrungemadsen2081 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Talk about skeletons in the closet.

    • @MK-hh1vo
      @MK-hh1vo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yes!!! How could he end the video without discussing that!!! Plus his dates are off; he said she and the count moved to the mansion in 1877 but he also said he remarried in 1877. Yet she died in 1884 🤔

    • @Curlyblonde
      @Curlyblonde 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@erikrungemadsen2081Always check your attics too!

  • @julijakeit
    @julijakeit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The image in the thumbnail is of another great courtesan - La Belle Otero.

  • @mrsbluesky8415
    @mrsbluesky8415 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I imagine she grew up very poor and was determined not to be poor again so I understand why she did what she did. But to leave your kids behind is something else entirely.

  • @katharinegarcia9795
    @katharinegarcia9795 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    You pronounce these names so perfectly.

  • @scareyes825
    @scareyes825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Oh. My. God. That letter to her new husband - if literally word for word what she said - was absolutely BRUTAL. She may not have had a title but lord she was a Queen. ( 7:09 for the curious!)

  • @Felicia790
    @Felicia790 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Not a beauty at all! It amazes me how men fell for her charms. Clever woman indeed.

    • @julijakeit
      @julijakeit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      She gave lavish parties, was selective of her audience, used shock value much like Kardashians today to attract attention and was a fashionista. In the day and age of Christian values and humble and discreet feminine behavior La Paiva among other courtesans were a sweet forbidden fruit. I can only imagine pictures do not do her justice as courtesans had different body language when they walked, looked at the men or simply went for a drive.

    • @gailhandschuh1138
      @gailhandschuh1138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Neacrochet has to be reasonabley good in bed but for sure very greedy.

    • @susanyoung5447
      @susanyoung5447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Some of the most notable women in history have been described as not beautiful. Cleopatra was one. You see her face on coins minted in Egypt. They show her as not even very pretty. Fascinating is a better description than beauty. Beauty fades but a clever and fascinating woman can keep a man devoted. La Paiva kept her 3rd husband, 11 years her junior, devoted to her until she died in her 60s.

    • @adriannespring8598
      @adriannespring8598 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Beauty is shallow, being fascinating is not surface.

    • @susanyoung5447
      @susanyoung5447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@adriannespring8598 And lasts longer.😃

  • @marylamb1407
    @marylamb1407 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Some lives are best forgotten.

  • @cynthiacarr3294
    @cynthiacarr3294 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    OMG! WOW she was something! Great Video! IG models now are doing the same thing😁

  • @chaqillenikita748
    @chaqillenikita748 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very, very interesting. Her life story reads like a great example of what can happen when sheer determination meets seizing the opportunity. She just went for it, didn’t she? Amazing story 😊

  • @AamuAurora
    @AamuAurora 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's a tale old like the world. People, who miss "old good days", meaning longing for times of purity, innocence and virtuous people, should watch your channel religiously. Maybe then they would change their views on history, and would stop telling stories of greatness, honour, and VALUES. There's nothing wrong with reliving good memories or being into retro esthetics, but using this as point of reference to accuse young people, and paint them as lost generation, it just exposes lack of historical research, and lack of contact with material world. Material as in physical. Sorry for my little rant. Love your channel, it's really important to tell this stories, so other can listen and be resistant to "good old day" propaganda that is used in political brainwashing. Disclaimer: I don't claim sex work, or the past, is bad. I just mean that it wasn't like establishment wants us to think, and by that aim for national greatness, purity, etc.

  • @OstblockLatina
    @OstblockLatina 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    6:10 - considering Albino Francisco de Araújo de Paiva was Portuguese name, you are not only mispronouncing his name by swapping ú and a as you speak, but also making the j sound as H which is a Spanish, not a Portuguese pronunciation, the correct sound reminding of one that is present i.e. in French.

  • @mm-yt8sf
    @mm-yt8sf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    she must have been great with languages to do so well socially wherever she went. unless she was so stunning just blinking at people was enough to do it...i wouldn't know what that's like :-)
    it's also strange that in her letter she says both that she's been completely honest with him and then says she's a horrible person who he could introduce to no one. it seems like she probably left that out. but perhaps if she really believed in her honesty it made her self image more tolerable. self delusion seems common enough in the highest levels of our society, well, either that or just lying...it's hard to know what goes on truly in people's minds. all we can do is try to avoid them and hope they don't acquire wealth or power

    • @TawnyC_
      @TawnyC_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think she just meant that everyone knew she was a prostitute, therefore he really could not introduce her as his wife, on the same level as his friends.

  • @julielivinlife2447
    @julielivinlife2447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Many of these Courtesans appear to be just out for the money. Like they are doing everything they can for it just like the robbers in the western United States during that time. The difference was these women were allowed to do it. She was no different and left a lot of heart ache along the way. She indeed got what she wanted. Very interesting life. Thanks FL 💕

  • @Foreversumner
    @Foreversumner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    I love this story I remember reading that her husband had her pickled after death and she was placed in a giant glass jar in a tower of the Silesian castle so he could admire her for the rest of his life

    • @rebeccalee1065
      @rebeccalee1065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Too Bad For Him...I Doubt That Same Kind Of Love Was Reciprocated On Her End (For Him).

    • @crystalbrame7886
      @crystalbrame7886 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Rebecca Lee people were so weird in those Days 😬😬

    • @Kayla-dm8nr
      @Kayla-dm8nr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ew. Lol creepy.

    • @sisuguillam5109
      @sisuguillam5109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@rebeccalee1065 you really do hate her, don't you?

    • @rebeccalee1065
      @rebeccalee1065 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sisuguillam5109 I Don't Hate Her... I Just Don't Respect Women Like Her. Besides, What's So Decent About Being A Prostitute?

  • @greekre
    @greekre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    omg that "detailed description" was intense

  • @crazygarnett
    @crazygarnett 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    While I do not agree with all of her choices she was clearly a very smart woman. With so few choices available to her she managed to use the only assets she had to obtain the best life possible for herself.

  • @MsZoedog66
    @MsZoedog66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The count was Baron de Rothschild. If you mention that it gives people context. One of the most influential families of the twentieth century.

  • @elenabachmann4734
    @elenabachmann4734 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    But the woman on the thumbnail is not La Paiva, it's La Belle Otero in a byzantine costume, cut from a Reutlinger postcard, i think. Still a great video! Thank you for all your hard work!

  • @ljwolf.jamie.8716
    @ljwolf.jamie.8716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    how could you leave your own baby?

    • @ljwolf.jamie.8716
      @ljwolf.jamie.8716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      she left both kids omg. I question her character now

  • @EllieGrant1
    @EllieGrant1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Wonder if her children ever reunited with her or shared in her wealth?!

  • @sinjinmonsoon9055
    @sinjinmonsoon9055 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    You have a good voice for narrating and presenting a programme.

    • @susanyoung5447
      @susanyoung5447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. I love listening to his voice as he narrates.

  • @pennypalmer3369
    @pennypalmer3369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    She must have had something. She wasn’t handsome nor charming. Idk. Clever manipulator.

  • @tlcferguson8243
    @tlcferguson8243 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    That was a wonderful, and very interesting video. I would like to see a follow up about the husband's new wife and how she found the corpse in the attic. That would freak me out. 😯😟

    • @ForgottenLives
      @ForgottenLives  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks! I think there's not too much information on it sadly :/

  • @tiffanybenefield1980
    @tiffanybenefield1980 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Forgotten Lives,
    You do amazing work on your content. I always learn something from you and your videos. Keep up the fantastic work for for real.👌😘😇😍👍

  • @nicolevarnam2290
    @nicolevarnam2290 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thanks For Another Awesome Story!I've never heard bout this one before. Very Interesting💙

  • @rinapop2681
    @rinapop2681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    men abandoned their children all the time during that era, why is it worse when she does it ? she rose her ranks to astounding levels, its so easy for others to judge her

    • @mohannarayan4603
      @mohannarayan4603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      So u are telling what those men did is right

    • @whippersnapper8387
      @whippersnapper8387 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      shut up

    • @hannesstan4066
      @hannesstan4066 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      “Things an SJW says for $1000, Alex!”

    • @ayonticabanerjee8326
      @ayonticabanerjee8326 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@kr3642 basically you mean that it's less worse for men to do it because they have no hormonal connection

    • @suelynncho
      @suelynncho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kr3642 boooo

  • @kristinamercado5737
    @kristinamercado5737 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would have no problem with adoring her other than the fact that she left her kids… twice.

  • @nancyM1313
    @nancyM1313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thanks Flives. Really enjoyed this story. Didn't know about this woman. I can see her managing well in our time. Now, she would have been on one of the Housewives of ..... Show!
    Stay safe.💜

    • @nancyM1313
      @nancyM1313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ⚘40

    • @ForgottenLives
      @ForgottenLives  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks 👍 glad you enjoyed :)

    • @hkbabel
      @hkbabel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      :-) I despise those Housewives Of... shows. I bet she could do better (or worse), politics? :-)

  • @wendymudkins6870
    @wendymudkins6870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    What an extraordinary woman really enjoyed this story

  • @04211975
    @04211975 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    She said, F dem kids.

  • @thejudgmentalcat
    @thejudgmentalcat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Smart woman. Wonder how the second wife reacted to the corpse in the attic?

    • @ForgottenLives
      @ForgottenLives  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Who knows ! I couldn't find where she was buried so maybe they did!

    • @rebeccalee1065
      @rebeccalee1065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Are You People INSANE?! What Is So "Intelligent" About A Woman Selling Her Body??

    • @lovelyliv0079
      @lovelyliv0079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rebecca Lee Roflmao, what is so smart about anything in history. All things done for ones preservation are insane at it’s core.

    • @rebeccalee1065
      @rebeccalee1065 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lovelyliv0079 Please, Don't Insult Your Intelligence In Saying That. All Things Are Not Good...Just Like All Things Are Not Bad. Between The Two - They ARE NOT One And The Same, Are They?

    • @swilson5320
      @swilson5320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Why are you capitalizing words like that?

  • @lydafrazier7764
    @lydafrazier7764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Boy she sure got around. I don't see how she could be happy

  • @Msmary98-98
    @Msmary98-98 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even though this is a year old I love hearing about how other women lived in that particular era.. it’s fascinating to me. Keep up the good work and after I’m done watching this, I’m going to your channel to see what else you have😂

  • @CLAUDINEtbmoth
    @CLAUDINEtbmoth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Damn!!! Sis the 🐐

    • @tm8559
      @tm8559 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂😂

  • @tiffanywright1833
    @tiffanywright1833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    And that my children is how you flip men. Lol

  • @bbeela3257
    @bbeela3257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    She deserves an award 🏆🥇
    To define her own destiny in such a sexist world- good for her👑

  • @kyote1089
    @kyote1089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want a bathtub with 3 taps... Water, milk, and champagne! I'd never leave... I'll gladly be a wrinkly prune for this! 🤣

  • @Elizabeth-nt7uq
    @Elizabeth-nt7uq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Again, it just goes to show; You get the face you deserve in the end!

  • @Swnsasy
    @Swnsasy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow.. Horrible scammer and fraudster _OR_ damn good hustler? 🤔

  • @sueellencenac8994
    @sueellencenac8994 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do men spoil women with these gifts anymore?

  • @KingofgraceSARA
    @KingofgraceSARA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The finesse queen.
    Many women who can do this have marine spirits moving through them which is why some can finesse and some can not and why some can get multiple men to marry them as well as leave their children behind.
    They're wicked human beings infested with demons.

  • @ericar.7924
    @ericar.7924 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    She wasn’t a stubborn person, she just knew her bag was secured 😂

    • @wandilengwenya4345
      @wandilengwenya4345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Secure the bag sis! 😂😂

    • @lavish_1717
      @lavish_1717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She was smart 💅🏻

    • @MisterGoofy
      @MisterGoofy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lavish_1717 yeah let's glorify a narcissist...

    • @queenofcute72
      @queenofcute72 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Arnelor Vaast I’m not gonna glorify her, she’s a horrible person and I will not say otherwise, but she was rather smart and she did rather well for someone born so unlucky.

  • @marysylvie2012
    @marysylvie2012 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    At least she encouraged arts. That is the only good thing she did in her life.

  • @magneticpupful
    @magneticpupful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He must have remarried in 1887 not 1877, to make your story work. Otherwise, wonderful presentation!

    • @ForgottenLives
      @ForgottenLives  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea sorry, I didn't pick up on my error :/ thanks though!

  • @amberg4049
    @amberg4049 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The thumbnail is not La Paiva,it’s a photo of La Belle Otero..

  • @patandersen4271
    @patandersen4271 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I KNEW she was a TAURUS LOL, love it!!.

    • @Zayashuku
      @Zayashuku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Man I got that vibe too LOL soon as she said Diamonds over men LOL

  • @Story-Voracious66
    @Story-Voracious66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks so much F L,
    You really did your homework (as usual). You came up with so much that I didn't know about La Paiva.
    Very informative and interesting, and so well read.
    She was a real piece of work!

  • @theeggman4806
    @theeggman4806 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Sounded a vile person....

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    80,000 lb that must have been some good snatch.

    • @lynnhoffman247
      @lynnhoffman247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Sherlock's cat I don’t think anyone shaved in the mid 1800’s 🙄

    • @Those.who.stay.silent.consent
      @Those.who.stay.silent.consent 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@lynnhoffman247 Most African societies did so since 1500 BC, armpits and bikini hair, women and men alike. Waxing was invented in Egypt, and we still use the same recipe today, lemon and sugar (people of the time used also honey). Under arm hair were seen as highly unhygienic and even the poorest people did wax, useless fact lol, just wanted to throw it out there since a lot of people think waxing is a patriarchal present day concept. It has even religious guidelines in certain religions , so to me not waxing or hearing about it is out of the norm completely from what I have seen growing up, family , neighbors, my brothers etc. As adolescents we would "gather" and torture each other with homemade wax lol. My brothers still come to me for smooth armpits and we are all in our thirties

    • @lynnhoffman247
      @lynnhoffman247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Egyptian__ __Queen Yrs, I knew about Egypt but didn’t write that. Didn’t know about Africans so thanks for the education 😊

    • @SalkisRe
      @SalkisRe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lynnhoffman247 hollllllllllaring 🤣

    • @montayeeaudreywreh6471
      @montayeeaudreywreh6471 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lynnhoffman247 you knew about Egypt but not Africans?? 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️Egyptians are Africans 😩😂😂

  • @AdventuressAli
    @AdventuressAli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's too bad the writers don't understand history through their sexist view. A woman back then didn't get to leave an abusive husband and just take her kids with her, yet this doofus keeps making it out like she just gallavanted off and left her kids to join sex work for funtimes. Sheesh. Sexism galore.

  • @LyricalXilence
    @LyricalXilence 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a horrible woman. She doesn't deserve admiration for being selfish abandoning her children and using men.

  • @briezzy365
    @briezzy365 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I better be forgotten 😂 if my pain were ever splattered over the internet I would die. Some of these are sooo sad. 😭😭😭 also Free Palestine and so many countries in clutches of monsters.

  • @ma.kryn86
    @ma.kryn86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Schlekhleniks" 💀😂 but I do appreciate the attempt on pronouncing it:) Village Świerklaniec - it's a tongue twister. Anyway I love your content, it's extremely interesting!

  • @largedoglover99
    @largedoglover99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for another interesting story. I look forward to your posts.

  • @bananaarmy2805
    @bananaarmy2805 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys can crap on her all you want but you haven't lived her life.

  • @robertsorrell6173
    @robertsorrell6173 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The name of this woman and her colorful lifestyle has come up many times in my world, because of my interest and study of important jewelry. This audio biography, which you have produced
    is the most I have been able to learn about her so far. From the pictures of her and descriptions of her personality it is difficult to understand the extent of her success. And yet it all seems to be true, which makes it even more fascinating.

  • @judysanchez6329
    @judysanchez6329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is name of a young black
    Golfer that was discovered to
    20 mistress and a wife and
    Child . Many of women stated
    He bought them burritos for
    Lunch only ? What a losers 😂

    • @Curlyblonde
      @Curlyblonde 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      His parents didn't teach him the finer ways of life. He was a busy man off the golf course. Look how it went for him. Destroyed and almost killed himself by his own arrogance and entitlement.
      His Nanny Ex-Wife on the other hand made out very well.

  • @keonie
    @keonie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sex and the City, 1850's prequel.

  • @littlefatbuddha
    @littlefatbuddha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sounds like a real-life Scarlet O’Hara - only more daring and with bad cards dealt from the start. She was born poor and female in a patriarchal society that robbed women of opportunities for financial independence and which coerced them into adopting roles of mothers / wives. Yet, she rejected that and still rose to the top. I do wonder how much of this video is based on hearsay of her outraged contemporaries and how much of it involves actual details from her life. She sounds like a fascinating character either way.

    • @bannanaberryboard
      @bannanaberryboard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Poor, female, and Jewish. That was another big strike against her, as well

    • @Jujegocrazy
      @Jujegocrazy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not sure if flying from one spouse to another with no lasting emotional connections is making it to the top. People are still social creatures… also, no matter how hard are the cards dealt that are to you, you don’t abandon innocent children, that makes you just as horrible as all the other humans you hate.

  • @sherylesfandiany6834
    @sherylesfandiany6834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jesus, a bathtub with three tabs, one for milk, one for champagne, and one for water..

  • @nyg1984
    @nyg1984 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh please!🙄 There are so many of these in NYC...

  • @afiaowusuaa6890
    @afiaowusuaa6890 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What happened to her children??? Like she never tried to contact them?

  • @nazar6607
    @nazar6607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    its one thing to leave your kids for finances, but the fact that she never sent money out or sent for them once she was established is disgusting

    • @nazar6607
      @nazar6607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Sally Ann who hurt you

  • @trbrm6319
    @trbrm6319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mannn these women were true blue man eaters... True blue restless souls / she-wolves😄

  • @lorriestrickland7448
    @lorriestrickland7448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    " Sometimes being a bitch, is all a woman has to hold onto." SK

  • @jay-jay24
    @jay-jay24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh no what happened next, the new wife finds her up in the loft then what happens aaaaaarrrrrr? Need another film to see what happened!?

  • @nessaduh8033
    @nessaduh8033 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    what a Queen, apart from abandoning her kids part.

    • @MK-hh1vo
      @MK-hh1vo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why is leaving the kids such a big deal for people? Its not like she left them starving on the roadside. I think leaving them behind is preferable to being stuck with a mother that doesn't want you.

    • @queenofcute72
      @queenofcute72 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      M K THANK YOU! It was better than being for both her and her children that she left them! It was a crappy situation, but it was preferable to the alternatives.

  • @Mimosarush
    @Mimosarush 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At multiple points in the video 2:26 one of them, you used a photo of another famous courtesan, belle otero, also a beauty and dancer for the folie Berger

  • @queenofsheba7145
    @queenofsheba7145 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    She stated she "loved her diamonds like they were her kids"....but abandoned her own kids.. And the weirdos getting off on the red hair under her arms... 🙄.

  • @meeeka
    @meeeka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah! Une des Grandes Horizontales!

  • @wowso4
    @wowso4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m so glad I found your channel, I love reading about historical biography and your channel as taught me so much! thank you! 😊

  • @neoandroid8586
    @neoandroid8586 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So she was a narcassist

    • @neoandroid8586
      @neoandroid8586 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sally Ann Narcissist is an English adjective to describe someone who is solely about them and only care for there own wellbeing!
      The psychiatry terminology would be NPD - Narcissitic Personality Disorder
      The words have different usages so before you try to school me, educate yourself first

  • @scroogemcduckrich9705
    @scroogemcduckrich9705 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my favorite courtesan.. The Lady of the White Camilias Marie Du Plessis

  • @luvburden5743
    @luvburden5743 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wonder what did she do after the banker deceived her with the counterfeit money, I wonder did she seek revenge.