Just so you know & a warning to your subscribers check your subscription to Chadwick as for some unknown reason I lost my subscription & had to rejoin so please check your account just in case it’s happened to you too
Charlie had warned about that a while ago and I looked and thought it's not happening to me. Well last Friday it happened, Charlie was gone with a lot of others. Even though I watch them all the time. Strange.
So I've never lost my "subscription" when I've been viewing on a computer or on my phone, but when I'm watching on my TV using the TH-cam app and I go to view the channel icon, it will have the word "Subscribe" as if I'm not actually subscribed, but it doesn't seem like this actually has anything to do with if I AM or if I am NOT subscribed. I'd suggest that if you're watching on a smart tv, don't mess with your sub there, and instead, look at it on a phone app or a computer. I've also got a couple different accounts, this is my work one currently. It's possible that you could somehow be on a different account as well. I'm still skeptical of what's happening.
Hello again Charlie. Yet another very interesting presentation. It makes me realise that deciding to stay with Analogue (at my age) is probably the right path to take. I am overwhelmed with the apparent complexity of digital. I need to complete my layout before old age gets the better of me !
The important part is that it is workable and you enjoy it. There are plenty of excellent analogue layouts out there! Have fun building and running a layout no matter how simple or complicated it may be.
Thanks Charlie for the latest video, the layout is really taking shape. Not long and you will be starting work on the main railway station. As always I look forward to your next video.
Thank you Charlie. This was a really fascinating update for me. I love model trains and to watch you building your layout bit by bit has been delightful.
Unsure what rank you were in the Navy but you are in my opion an Admiral in the TH-cam world of train modelling. Great teaching, true crew member with your sharing with other channels, methods and bloopers all to boot. Love the channel including the bloopers and the odd bleeped out words. I salute you shippers.
Charlie, I like your videos. i’m totally blind so all my model railway indulgence is vicarious. you have a very descriptive manner and I like the way you do things.
Absolutely sublime Charlie. Another week over with & another Friday evening unwinding watching your progress. It's going to be fascinating watching the running sessions Many thanks. Nathan
Hi again Charlie Somewhat overwhelmed and a bit confused but certainly impressed. Really looking forward to some operations. I still think I will avoid a 3 way point.! Little hints and tips very useful, eg. Sequence of switching 3 way point to avoid damage. These little tips can really help avoid damage and frustration. Stay safe and many thanks for Every episode. Howard.
Electronics are becoming more and more sophisticated, which will encourage more youngsters into the hobby, and grow their knowledge, which ss they grow older will give them a leg up in the job market. Win Win. However it gets a bit mindblowing for fossils like myself. Well done Charlie for giving me an insight into the complexities.
“Play trains!” How very dare you Charlie. Thats what my “senior management” calls it and I tell her she’s wrong. Its “Operate a model railway if you don’t mind dear” is my usual response. (Yeah she rolls her eyes and walks away but there’s no way I’m letting her see this video. Ps. Nice explanation on the 3 way point BTW.👍 Also, As a sparky of some 52 years experience can I say I’m impressed by your wiring standards. You’re perfectly correct to say its just one cable at a time. The methodical approach to wiring such as that is always the best way as is proper labelling. Makes fault finding and tracing so much easier. I absolutely hate and detest twisted mixed up spaghetti looms. Its all thumbs up from me good sir. 👍
Thanks mate, I’m so pleased that you enjoy the video. When my wife first said, are you going to play with your train set? I got annoyed. Now I say instead! Regards Charlie.
You do a superior job of all the electronics! I think back 40 or so years ago when DCC was first arriving. The idea of it was that the wiring was so much simpler than for DC. Now each year something new comes along and further complicates the improvements. I guess it will never stop.
I like how you have the turnout decoders mounted on the same board as the turnouts. Most modellers wire up their loconet electronics at a single location and run crazy lengths of wiring back to the turnouts. This becomes a mess and as you pointed out, just having a loconet cable coming in and out makes removing the board or troubleshooting much easier. I like your iPad Smarthand. You can also just take advantage of running a few push buttons to the side of that sections facia to the DS74 freeing up the iPad if it’s needed elsewhere.
Local cafe…..that’s not what I was expecting to hear! I imagine your part of the world has some great hostelries and some good places to visit. A video of some running and your operators would be great, when the time comes I reckon you’ll have a really good time. Cheers Charlie and best for now
Excellent and informative as always Charlie. As a beginner, 3 way points had not really come to my attention before, but looking at your freight yard one of those might work very well in my engine shed area.
Charlie, what an interesting video. I am glad I have stayed simple, you are really scaring me with the extraordinary technology that is out there. NSW Railways are spending over 4 Billion dollars on upgrading there track control technology, I now know why. When I paint my, I use a cork block (an old sanding block cut up) to get the paint off, and do it while it is still tacky, and it comes off really well. Thank you for the tip on controlling a 3 way point, you have given me knowledge I did not have on these "littel beauties". Thank you for sharing, cheers, and stay safe, Michael
Great video Charlie but I'm keeping my fun simple ,nice your plans to have a day with your mates it's what life is all about. I myst get back to making a few videos again no where near as professional as yours but I like to share. David
Brilliant video and found about those 3 way points interesting and when I was on BR and at my heritage railway I had to manually wind on points plus use signal frames and boxes , and need something like a signal lever block to stop the wrong switch being moved in model form , be some thing good for the model railway industry to invent maybe ? And love the idea of a layout you can share and enjoy with others, and going down to the Cafe or local pub and than coming back to play trains sounds my idea of paradise 😊
Hmm, you’ve got me thinking now ! I wonder if iTrain has an equivalent to Train Controller’s SmartHand. I think I want to be able to do that, that’s certainly food for thought ! And talking of food, a beer over lunch before operating model trains ? What could possibly go wrong 🤭 Interesting stuff as always Charlie. Take care mate.
it doses via an ap for IOS but it's only really a throttle, it will network if you have the correct level of licence but not cross platform. That was one of my considerations before I faced the situation and paid for TC. 🙂.......... That is not a criticism of iTrain, it is verry good.
Just shows how model railways can develop technology wise to provide an even greater sense of enjoyment. A really interesting episode this as usual, with small snippets of useful information. I would suggest you have your beers before operating the layout though!!! Chadwick looking the business now. Regards Kevin
Hi Charlie, Yet another interesting and informative video, looking forward to seeing the freight yard taking shape. Just googled train controller 10 for pricing! Regards, David.
Charlie! As always your videos are super motivating. Thanks for sharing this (oh, and for planting ideas in my head ;) ) Thomas, aka GWR Division Tromsoe
hi charlie great video always something interesting your railway is coming along nicely .a bit above my understanding of electrics but always a must watch .it is better than what is on tv at least there are no repeats here lol
Neat idea on switch wiring the motors for a 3 way point. It took me a couple of minutes to interpret the schematic but found it broke down quite simply into two independent blades / motors linked via the common shaft of the rotary switch. Nice one Richard !
Fascinating stuff. To be honest it is a bit overwhelming for me just starting out with a DCC layout, but who knows, taking it one step at a time I may reach your dizzy heights. Thank you for continuing to share, I have learned so much from your videos!
Hi Charlie. I have a part solution (not perfect) for my three way point. I have a solenoid on 2&3 and a servo on 1&2. If that makes sense. The servo which is ridged in its movement will allow the solenoid to be moved. The solenoid if inadvertently activated when it shouldn’t will of course bang the actuator across but will not excerpt any consistent pressure. In the blades.
Dear Charlie, for your IPad mounts I would recommend the Kikkerland Gooseneck Tablet holder. It’s suited with a rather stiff clamp and their gooseneck is on the one hand flexible enough but also rigid enough to hold up the weight of the device. Another advantage is that the clamp can easily be removed which leaves a standard thread so the gooseneck can be mounted on a fixed anchor point. Great vid, love the different recommendations you shared on using the blue tack, cutting holes before track installation etc. Kinda cool to see the different screens in action, even though you didn’t fully install the block detection completely. By showing the system this way it becomes more transparent and comprehensible to the layman, with one foot still in the 20th century. By the way, definitely wanna give you a well deserved compliment for your excellent wiring. Even without the labeling the entire purpose of the different components, their leads, controls and connections become visibly clear in just a single glance. Cheerio
Another awesome video, Charlie! My layout is nowhere near the scale of yours and the wiring makes my mind boggle!!! I'm now off to continue wiring my layout to be able to switch between analogue and DCC control... and that's just the track! Great stuff - keep up the excellent content. Cheers Ross
Hi Charlie. Great video as usual. I use iPads on my layout and I've mounted microphone stand tablet holders to the facia, I just cut of the bracket that grips the mic stand and drilled two holes through the backplate and screwed it directly to the facias. I did chuckle when you said you had to upgrade train controller to be able to get the iPads to feedback to the main display, Us iTrain/ Z21 users have been able to do it for years 😂
Is that a voltage regulator I spotted when you showed the wiring under the board with the 3 way point on it. I’ll be using one for my led lighting on my board. 😊
An articulated shower mirror mount will work great. Relatively simple, strong enough, an inexpensive. It is supposed to mount with suction cups on smooth tile, but you can always drill holes and use screws. The plate that usually holds a small mirror can be attached to the back of a tablet with velcro or double sided tape. There usually is a ball-and-socket swivel at the end of the arm, making movement easy
Camera/audio equipment will be the way to go, as it's all inter compatible through 1/4 and 3/8 inch connections, plus there's tablet mounts (similar to car phone mounts you'll see) that'll attach to any boom arm, whether that's a flexi gooseneck arm, a spring loaded articulated "mic" arm, or stand/tripod, or combination of things.
Great advice gentleman thank you. I do own something called a manfroto magic arm, but I will still need an adapter on which to mount the iPad. Regards, Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Well that's a good start Charlie, the most expensive part at hand, plenty of ways to get down to say 1/4 thread from the Manfroto spigot, such as the female spigot adapter, an umbrella bracket that slides over the spigot, a ballhead spigot adapter, a quick release for spigot, or just a simple 5/8 to 1/4 inch step down screw that goes in the end of the spigot. You get the picture I'm not gonna tell an experienced camera guy how to suck eggs, but perhaps there's something in there that you weren't aware of that might suit the connection between arm and tablet holder better.
Another great vid I watch with my Saturday morning coffee. I'm sorry to hear that Herr Freiwald as you by the S&C's again for even more money. I wish to thank you again for video 169, although you were diplomatic as always, you encouraged me to look at all other options before committing to a automation system. It was not just the price, the deciding factor for me to look elsewhere was the use of dongles and that only Herr Freiwald him self can personally authorise the replacement of a faulty one.
Looks great. Wiring tends to intimidate lots of people but keeping it organized and color-coded takes away most trepidations. Enjoy playing with the trains ("operating sessions" to some of those in model railroading - not me). Have a great week!
That was nice just happened to have the day off today, and got to see the latest video as it just came out! Give you credit for are the computer stuff ( that’s my technical term for it) I’m not a computer person, and I’m not knocking your layout or anything, but the whole dcc stuff, it just looks my complicated than it has to be, good old toggle switches with blocks! 😂 again, love your layout and how you explain everything, I appreciate that. It’s just the more I see dcc stuff, and what it takes to support it, it just seems like a lot, but to each his own ! Always fun to watch your stuff, can’t wait to see the yard done, take care!
I added a couple of 3 way points a while back - made the simple mistake of labelling them both the same, 1 left, 2 centre, 3 right, so choosing track 1 on both selected two different sidings! More excellent tips here! thank you. Mike
9:26 You could make it throw both points at the same time with a relay controlling both points from the one you only want to throw, if the other is open. That way you can forget which way the first point is thrown.
I am not sure about Tortoise or MTB but with Cobalt one can wire the motors on symmetrical three way points so that if the heal is thrown the second motor will not activate until the heal is closed. Thankfully in N, one can only get asymmetrical, so the issue does not arise.
Well done again Charlie. I too have a 3 way turnout installed and actuated by servo motors. I have solved the trapping problem with 2 red LEDs, on the left and right reverse respectively, and a green led on the normal (straight thru'). These LEDs are on my mimic panel. The "home position", normal, is always green and always left on that route. Then if I need to diverge left or right, the green is off and the appropriate red led is lit for the chosen route. Once the manoeuvre is finished the normal (green) is chosen. I must say that process took a while before the penny droppped! However, I don't like this form of 3 way turnout. I much prefer the Assymetric style as the 2 sets of point blades are further apart and the point trapping not so injurious (to the blades), if at all. Thanks for sharing.😊
Fabulous Charlie. Thank you. Isn't the endless quest for learning and discovery wonderful. Your resourcefulness and clear is helpful and impressive. Interesting spraying the track before ballasting, I usually spray the track and ballast together (ie to weather the track and ballast), I must try your method to see what the end result looks like. I learn so much from your channel and your innovations. Thanks for the university of layout building. I was wondering about a sort of interlocked switching for the 3 way point (eg using a spare switch terminals on one of the point motors to throw the other point motor). All the best, take care.
Great video as always, Charlie. I can confirm (from experience!) the 3-ways need to be operated with care, especially if driven by servos, which will hold the blade firmly in position regardless of what the other blade is trying to do. Also, expensive 3-ways and 4-ways are very unforgiving should there be any stray ballast, paint or even PVA. Mask off thoroughly, leave the sensitive areas absolutely clear and check operation before applying power.
Really good advice on the 3 way point operating sequence, I have never given it a thought, I use DPDT switches and switch them simultaneously. So have been lucky due to throwing them at the same time, that I've never caused a problem when operating them. I don't have any automation on the layout except for the timers for the duration of the KaDee uncouplers. On hindsight maybe I should have given block detection and throttle point operation a little more consideration.
Hi Charlie, a thought for tablet stand, maybe some sort music sheet stand would work depending on leg setup though as you don't want any trip hazards, wow you going all out with computerise ops.
You can interlock the 3 way points using the auxiliaries on the point motors or use a PLC and scrap train controller. Use a plc, hmi and or a scada system.
Another helpful video on by 0:30 the (by some) dreaded 3-way point. This misses one potentially important factor, however. These points may look symmetrical but they are not. Further, they are not available in handed versions. If like me you use them at each end of fiddle yard loops,then the operating sequence for the two points will be different. This is not too difficult to arrange but needs to be factored into the control arrangements.
Charlie, I'm ready to come over and help you operate - and touch the pub a bit! I'll just have to get the transportation worked out! Seriously, the block detection just mystifies me. Perhaps, you can dedicate a session to how that all operates. . . . Thanks again for a great video!
Wow! I think I will stick with my hand of god for now. Mind blown but who knows maybe in the future I may adopt some of this approach. Really interesting to see and learn.
Keep on the god work on your layout. Now when Smarthand is up and running in your V10 TC its about time to take a look at "facilities" in order to make that fiddleyard running automaticly🙂 regards Michael
Hello Charlie,another interesting and enjoyable video as ever.Made me have a quick think about my three way polnts but they are Peco 55 asymmetric so the blade problem doesn’t occur.Now I know that they are not really your bag but DCCconcepts can give you interlocking [ also with scissors crossings ] so I just wondered given your knowledge of such things,that there is an interlocking system out there somewhere.We know about the frailty of human memory.Wishing you well.PH
Hi Charlie, you mentioned using a rotary switch etc to prevent damage to the 3-way if it was operated out of sequence. This is not necessary of you use slow acting turnout motors which have 2 auxiliary switches ie Cobalt or MTB MP10. The 2nd switch is used to route the power to the other turnout motor so it only operates when required.
The photo he showed actually uses MP10s so for him it is easy. Agreed if you only have a turnout motor with one switch then more complicated, but I think I would try and fit a microswitch activated by the movement of the tiebar?@@ChadwickModelRailway
I sympathise with you regarding forgetting to cut the hole for the solenoid until after the track was in. In my case, I forgot to drill the holes for the actuating rods for my servos until after all the points were in - all 12 of them. So I had to carefully drill from the underside of the baseboard, through 3/4” ply and 2” XPS styrofoam, making sure to stop before I destroyed the throw bar. Did I mention this was N scale, just to make it more fun. Somehow I managed it, but it’s a lesson well learned if I ever start a new layout.
Interesting video as usual. Always nice to see significant progress. For an iPad mount that you will using/touching rather than just viewing you need something that will be solid and lock in place or it wobbles around . Mounts that use springs (like a desk lamp) have too much movement and the touch function will be unreliable.
Hi Charlie have a look at RAM mounts they aren’t telescopic but you can mount them to your fascia boards and it will hold your iPads nice and steady I use them for my devices in my tow truck tablet holders are also available and the arm sizes vary
Hi, it was an instructional and useful video as we have always been spoiled with. I just wanted to share my thoughts about the two MP10s one after the other on a three-way switch. The MP10 has 2 changeover switches. I would use the output of one of the changeover switches of the first mp10, that is powered when point two is free. The power of that electric point I would user to power the second MP10. In this way, the power supply of the second MP10 is in series with the correct position of the first MP10. (I hope I don't make my explanation too confusing). You need only two toggle switches to operate the MP10. When the first is in the correct possition to operate the second everything will works. With The first point in te blocking possition the second mp10 can't be operated because it does not receives power.
I have discussed this method at length with a friend. The only draw back is that it takes two switch movements as opposed to one, with a rotary switch. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway yes Charlie but it still amazes me how you understand all the technical stuff and still call it playing with trains haha. Interesting about the partridges.
Great Video love seeing the integration with smart Hand maybe next Payday I hope your Friends are Paying for Lunch maybe sell tickets to play on your Club layout with a Q&A session . Me and SWMBO would love a Day down at West Camel playing On the Club Layout Do you Know when the Summer Open Day is? Keep up the Great Work.
Do you ever have to learn now to wire everything up again when you do a new board? Like when you did your last board, do you kind of "lose" how you did it before and have to look back or look at diagrams and brush up before doing the newer board? Also, is it really necessary to use the blue tac if you've got those connection wires powering the points from the stock rail? Or is it just for insurance? I wired my point rail to the stock rail and had a separate wire for the frog, so I kept my point rails in the middle and just sprayed the whole thing with an airbrush and it works fine...well, the small yard with about 6 turnouts. So awesome to see it coming together as a whole! Thanks Charlie!
Hi Andrew, protecting the contact services during spraying, is just best practice. Regarding the wiring, it’s quite straightforward once you have the experience. Regards, Charlie.
I’m interested to see how to show point numbers on the layout. I see your dots as temporary guidance (I write mine onto the wood sometimes) but what about as scenery, that shows the turnout address? Or the track section for DCC control?
You could display the numbers on relay cabinets RW. In the fullness of time, I shouldn’t need the numbers as the points will just be changed via the iPads. Regards, Charlie.
Not sure why the blue tack was necessary as you have made the alteration to the point to make it live regardless of the contact point with the stock rail. It's really coming along very well Charlie.
Just so you know & a warning to your subscribers check your subscription to Chadwick as for some unknown reason I lost my subscription & had to rejoin so please check your account just in case it’s happened to you too
Thanks, John, that is somewhat disturbing. Regards, Charlie.
Charlie had warned about that a while ago and I looked and thought it's not happening to me. Well last Friday it happened, Charlie was gone with a lot of others. Even though I watch them all the time. Strange.
So I've never lost my "subscription" when I've been viewing on a computer or on my phone, but when I'm watching on my TV using the TH-cam app and I go to view the channel icon, it will have the word "Subscribe" as if I'm not actually subscribed, but it doesn't seem like this actually has anything to do with if I AM or if I am NOT subscribed. I'd suggest that if you're watching on a smart tv, don't mess with your sub there, and instead, look at it on a phone app or a computer.
I've also got a couple different accounts, this is my work one currently. It's possible that you could somehow be on a different account as well. I'm still skeptical of what's happening.
Hello again Charlie. Yet another very interesting presentation. It makes me realise that deciding to stay with Analogue (at my age) is probably the right path to take. I am overwhelmed with the apparent complexity of digital. I need to complete my layout before old age gets the better of me !
A fair point RT. Regards Charlie
The important part is that it is workable and you enjoy it. There are plenty of excellent analogue layouts out there! Have fun building and running a layout no matter how simple or complicated it may be.
@@fircombehallrailwayoogauge1430 Thank you. Have started laying cork matting. Design has taken 21 months !!!
You've got to give it to him. Charlie does a cracking job with the editing.
That’s most kind, Matt. Regards, Charlie.
The issue with the three way points is something I had never considered so this video has been a real eye opener, and of great value! 👍
Thanks EN, regards Charlie
Thumbs up from me Charlie. This area is really coming along nicely. Looking forward to your running sessions.
Thanks Lee, fingers crossed that all those points behave.
Regards Charlie
I came, I saw, I I connected, I ran ..... well done Charlie...
Thanks David, it’s great to have you on board. Regards, Charlie.
Thanks Charlie for the latest video, the layout is really taking shape. Not long and you will be starting work on the main railway station. As always I look forward to your next video.
You’re right Simon, I can’t wait to start on the scenics. Regards Charlie
Another good one and nothing wrong with having an operating session with friends and pub lunch will go down well
Thanks Martyn, I’m so pleased that you agree. Regards, Charlie.
Bloody he'll Charlie it was like being in a science and physics lesson at school many years ago
Hopefully Trevor, youenjoyed physics! Regards, Charlie
Absolutely fascinating Charlie but Absolutely lost me after about 2 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤
I’m sure that’s not true, Robert. Regards Charlie
Thanks
Thanks John, that’s extremely generous of you.
Stay safe, regards Charlie.
Thank you Charlie. This was a really fascinating update for me. I love model trains and to watch you building your layout bit by bit has been delightful.
Thanks Rose, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie.
Unsure what rank you were in the Navy but you are in my opion an Admiral in the TH-cam world of train modelling. Great teaching, true crew member with your sharing with other channels, methods and bloopers all to boot. Love the channel including the bloopers and the odd bleeped out words. I salute you shippers.
Thanks QC, that’s most kind. It’s great to have you onboard. Regards Charlie.
Whoa .Great progress. Love the automation possibilities .Really brings the layout to life. You must have the tidiest garage in England 😀.
Not at all. Margaret’s car is in there at night!
Charlie, I like your videos. i’m totally blind so all my model railway indulgence is vicarious. you have a very descriptive manner and I like the way you do things.
Thanks Mike. It’s comments such as yours, that make the whole thing worthwhile. Stay safe, regards Charlie.
Absolutely sublime Charlie. Another week over with & another Friday evening unwinding watching your progress. It's going to be fascinating watching the running sessions
Many thanks.
Nathan
Thanks Nathan, that’s most kind.
Good update Charlie. Looking forward to your upcoming ops session video.
Thanks, Rob, it won’t be long now. Regards, Charlie.
Hi again Charlie
Somewhat overwhelmed and a bit confused but certainly impressed.
Really looking forward to some operations. I still think I will avoid a 3 way point.!
Little hints and tips very useful, eg. Sequence of switching 3 way point to avoid damage.
These little tips can really help avoid damage and frustration.
Stay safe and many thanks for
Every episode.
Howard.
Thanks, Howard, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie.
Electronics are becoming more and more sophisticated, which will encourage more youngsters into the hobby, and grow their knowledge, which ss they grow older will give them a leg up in the job market. Win Win. However it gets a bit mindblowing for fossils like myself. Well done Charlie for giving me an insight into the complexities.
Thanks David for sharing your interesting view. Regards Charlie
“Play trains!”
How very dare you Charlie.
Thats what my “senior management” calls it and I tell her she’s wrong.
Its “Operate a model railway if you don’t mind dear” is my usual response. (Yeah she rolls her eyes and walks away but there’s no way I’m letting her see this video.
Ps. Nice explanation on the 3 way point BTW.👍
Also, As a sparky of some 52 years experience can I say I’m impressed by your wiring standards. You’re perfectly correct to say its just one cable at a time. The methodical approach to wiring such as that is always the best way as is proper labelling. Makes fault finding and tracing so much easier.
I absolutely hate and detest twisted mixed up spaghetti looms.
Its all thumbs up from me good sir. 👍
Thanks mate, I’m so pleased that you enjoy the video. When my wife first said, are you going to play with your train set? I got annoyed. Now I say instead! Regards Charlie.
Blue tac is a magnificent idea- soft, playable and removable. Ps- I could hear the rain outside your garage.
Yes, it was chucking it down. I had to dodge the showers, when carrying the board. Regards Charlie.
Another fantastic informative video. I look forward to your next update. Enjoy your weekend
Thanks mark, much appreciated.
Looking good, can't wait to see the operational yard
You and me both Chris. Regards, Charlie.
Another great video Charlie..really keeps my motivation high.
Thanks Graham, that’s most kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie.
You do a superior job of all the electronics! I think back 40 or so years ago when DCC was first arriving. The idea of it was that the wiring was so much simpler than for DC. Now each year something new comes along and further complicates the improvements. I guess it will never stop.
I think you’re right, Jim. However, the advances make it so much more enjoyable. Regards, Charlie.
I like how you have the turnout decoders mounted on the same board as the turnouts. Most modellers wire up their loconet electronics at a single location and run crazy lengths of wiring back to the turnouts. This becomes a mess and as you pointed out, just having a loconet cable coming in and out makes removing the board or troubleshooting much easier. I like your iPad Smarthand. You can also just take advantage of running a few push buttons to the side of that sections facia to the DS74 freeing up the iPad if it’s needed elsewhere.
Thanks CMR. The iPads are only around £30 on eBay.
Local cafe…..that’s not what I was expecting to hear! I imagine your part of the world has some great hostelries and some good places to visit. A video of some running and your operators would be great, when the time comes I reckon you’ll have a really good time. Cheers Charlie and best for now
Thanks,Captain Pub Watch, the build is nearing completion. Regards, Charlie.
Excellent and informative as always Charlie. As a beginner, 3 way points had not really come to my attention before, but looking at your freight yard one of those might work very well in my engine shed area.
Thanks, Phil, but I’m not recommending them until I’ve thoroughly tested them. Regards, Charlie.
I am new to the channel and i find your videos very interesting and impressive. Keep up the good work. My name is Ian.
Thanks Ian, it’s great to have you onboard mate. Regards, Charlie.
Charlie, what an interesting video. I am glad I have stayed simple, you are really scaring me with the extraordinary technology that is out there. NSW Railways are spending over 4 Billion dollars on upgrading there track control technology, I now know why.
When I paint my, I use a cork block (an old sanding block cut up) to get the paint off, and do it while it is still tacky, and it comes off really well.
Thank you for the tip on controlling a 3 way point, you have given me knowledge I did not have on these "littel beauties".
Thank you for sharing, cheers, and stay safe, Michael
Thanks Michael, I shall certainly give the cork block method, a try.
Regards Charlie
Brilliant as always Charlie, even though I can't see me going this far 👍
It’s great to have you onboard Alan.
Regards Charlie
In two words...Simply fantastic!
Thanks, Keith, that’s most kind. Regards, Charlie.
Great video Charlie but I'm keeping my fun simple ,nice your plans to have a day with your mates it's what life is all about. I myst get back to making a few videos again no where near as professional as yours but I like to share.
David
Yes please David, dust off that camera.
Regards Charlie
I hope I can get my wiring as beautiful as you do yours.
Just take your time mate, and don’t hesitate to reroute if necessary. Regards, Charlie.
Brilliant video and found about those 3 way points interesting and when I was on BR and at my heritage railway I had to manually wind on points plus use signal frames and boxes , and need something like a signal lever block to stop the wrong switch being moved in model form , be some thing good for the model railway industry to invent maybe ? And love the idea of a layout you can share and enjoy with others, and going down to the Cafe or local pub and than coming back to play trains sounds my idea of paradise 😊
Thanks Ian, it’s comments such as yours make the whole thing worthwhile. Regards, Charlie
Hmm, you’ve got me thinking now ! I wonder if iTrain has an equivalent to Train Controller’s SmartHand. I think I want to be able to do that, that’s certainly food for thought ! And talking of food, a beer over lunch before operating model trains ? What could possibly go wrong 🤭 Interesting stuff as always Charlie. Take care mate.
Thanks Bryan, I’m pretty sure that iTrain also has this facility.
Remember, don’t drink and drive (trains)! Regards Charlie
it doses via an ap for IOS but it's only really a throttle, it will network if you have the correct level of licence but not cross platform. That was one of my considerations before I faced the situation and paid for TC. 🙂.......... That is not a criticism of iTrain, it is verry good.
Great video, Charlie can't wait for a running session 👍
Hopefully, next time JJ.
Regards, Charlie.
Just shows how model railways can develop technology wise to provide an even greater sense of enjoyment. A really interesting episode this as usual, with small snippets of useful information. I would suggest you have your beers before operating the layout though!!! Chadwick looking the business now. Regards Kevin
Thanks Kevin, I’m so pleased that you’re enjoying the ride.
Regards Charlie.
Very enjoyable and useful as usual Charlie, I always learn something new from your videos.
That’s great news, mate. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie, Yet another interesting and informative video, looking forward to seeing the freight yard taking shape. Just googled train controller 10 for pricing! Regards, David.
Thanks David, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Yes, TC 10 price is a shocker.
Charlie!
As always your videos are super motivating. Thanks for sharing this (oh, and for planting ideas in my head ;) )
Thomas, aka GWR Division Tromsoe
Thanks Thomas, I’m so pleased that you find the channel interesting.
Regards Charlie
😊 nice film Charlie coming along well I think...
Thanks Clive, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards, Charlie.
hi charlie great video always something interesting your railway is coming along nicely .a bit above my understanding of electrics but always a must watch .it is better than what is on tv at least there are no repeats here lol
Thanks mate, so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards, Charlie.
Neat idea on switch wiring the motors for a 3 way point.
It took me a couple of minutes to interpret the schematic but found it broke down quite simply into two independent blades / motors linked via the common shaft of the rotary switch.
Nice one Richard !
Thanks SS. I’m so pleased that you found it interesting.
Regards, Charlie.
Great update looking good tank you for sharing 👍
You’re most welcome, Clive. Regards, Charlie.
Another great update as usual Charlie!!! Many thanks for sharing. Cheers Onno.
You’re very welcome,Onno. Regards, Charlie.
Fascinating stuff. To be honest it is a bit overwhelming for me just starting out with a DCC layout, but who knows, taking it one step at a time I may reach your dizzy heights. Thank you for continuing to share, I have learned so much from your videos!
Thanks Duncan, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie. I have a part solution (not perfect) for my three way point. I have a solenoid on 2&3 and a servo on 1&2. If that makes sense. The servo which is ridged in its movement will allow the solenoid to be moved. The solenoid if inadvertently activated when it shouldn’t will of course bang the actuator across but will not excerpt any consistent pressure. In the blades.
Thanks, Howard, for an interesting solution. Regards, Charlie.
Dear Charlie, for your IPad mounts I would recommend the Kikkerland Gooseneck Tablet holder. It’s suited with a rather stiff clamp and their gooseneck is on the one hand flexible enough but also rigid enough to hold up the weight of the device. Another advantage is that the clamp can easily be removed which leaves a standard thread so the gooseneck can be mounted on a fixed anchor point.
Great vid, love the different recommendations you shared on using the blue tack, cutting holes before track installation etc. Kinda cool to see the different screens in action, even though you didn’t fully install the block detection completely. By showing the system this way it becomes more transparent and comprehensible to the layman, with one foot still in the 20th century.
By the way, definitely wanna give you a well deserved compliment for your excellent wiring. Even without the labeling the entire purpose of the different components, their leads, controls and connections become visibly clear in just a single glance. Cheerio
Thanks Vincent, it’s comments such as yours that make the whole thing worthwhile. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie.
Another great vlog buddy.
Got a 3 way point myself, if and when I install it hand operation only.
Thanks Charlie.
...Pete....
Thanks Pete, hopefully mine will be reliable! Regards Charlie
Another awesome video, Charlie! My layout is nowhere near the scale of yours and the wiring makes my mind boggle!!! I'm now off to continue wiring my layout to be able to switch between analogue and DCC control... and that's just the track! Great stuff - keep up the excellent content. Cheers Ross
Thanks Ross, and good luck with your project. Regards, Charlie.
really weel done video Charlie ,, thank you
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it John. Regards Charlie.
Well Charlie, I'm not sure how you manage to get so much done to the layout and produce these great clips. Well done, truly educational. 👍
Thanks mate, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie.
Really enjoy watching your channel Charlie, always a bit of fun and loads of info, thanks.
Thanks RMR, I’m so pleased that you enjoy your channel. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie. Great video as usual. I use iPads on my layout and I've mounted microphone stand tablet holders to the facia, I just cut of the bracket that grips the mic stand and drilled two holes through the backplate and screwed it directly to the facias.
I did chuckle when you said you had to upgrade train controller to be able to get the iPads to feedback to the main display, Us iTrain/ Z21 users have been able to do it for years 😂
Yes, it was somewhat bizarre, as I could not V9 as V10 existed. Still we got there in the end. Regards, Charlie.
Nicely done, thanks for sharing,,😊
Thanks Frankkie, I’m so pleased you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie.
Is that a voltage regulator I spotted when you showed the wiring under the board with the 3 way point on it. I’ll be using one for my led lighting on my board. 😊
No HCH, it’s a timer for the solenoid uncoupler. Regards, Charlie.
An articulated shower mirror mount will work great. Relatively simple, strong enough, an inexpensive. It is supposed to mount with suction cups on smooth tile, but you can always drill holes and use screws. The plate that usually holds a small mirror can be attached to the back of a tablet with velcro or double sided tape. There usually is a ball-and-socket swivel at the end of the arm, making movement easy
Camera/audio equipment will be the way to go, as it's all inter compatible through 1/4 and 3/8 inch connections, plus there's tablet mounts (similar to car phone mounts you'll see) that'll attach to any boom arm, whether that's a flexi gooseneck arm, a spring loaded articulated "mic" arm, or stand/tripod, or combination of things.
Much nicer, but probably more expensive
Great advice gentleman thank you. I do own something called a manfroto magic arm, but I will still need an adapter on which to mount the iPad. Regards, Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Well that's a good start Charlie, the most expensive part at hand, plenty of ways to get down to say 1/4 thread from the Manfroto spigot, such as the female spigot adapter, an umbrella bracket that slides over the spigot, a ballhead spigot adapter, a quick release for spigot, or just a simple 5/8 to 1/4 inch step down screw that goes in the end of the spigot. You get the picture I'm not gonna tell an experienced camera guy how to suck eggs, but perhaps there's something in there that you weren't aware of that might suit the connection between arm and tablet holder better.
Another great vid I watch with my Saturday morning coffee. I'm sorry to hear that Herr Freiwald as you by the S&C's again for even more money.
I wish to thank you again for video 169, although you were diplomatic as always, you encouraged me to look at all other options before committing to a automation system. It was not just the price, the deciding factor for me to look elsewhere was the use of dongles and that only Herr Freiwald him self can personally authorise the replacement of a faulty one.
I’m so pleased I enjoyed the video Glyn. Train Controller 10, is now dongle free, although you must be hooked up to the Internet. Regards Charlie.
Looks great. Wiring tends to intimidate lots of people but keeping it organized and color-coded takes away most trepidations. Enjoy playing with the trains ("operating sessions" to some of those in model railroading - not me). Have a great week!
Thanks MM, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Regards, Charlie
That was nice just happened to have the day off today, and got to see the latest video as it just came out! Give you credit for are the computer stuff ( that’s my technical term for it) I’m not a computer person, and I’m not knocking your layout or anything, but the whole dcc stuff, it just looks my complicated than it has to be, good old toggle switches with blocks! 😂 again, love your layout and how you explain everything, I appreciate that. It’s just the more I see dcc stuff, and what it takes to support it, it just seems like a lot, but to each his own ! Always fun to watch your stuff, can’t wait to see the yard done, take care!
Thanks Thomas, I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting. Regards, Charlie.
I added a couple of 3 way points a while back - made the simple mistake of labelling them both the same, 1 left, 2 centre, 3 right, so choosing track 1 on both selected two different sidings! More excellent tips here! thank you. Mike
Thanks Mike, I do find that they are a frightening design! Regards Charlie
9:26 You could make it throw both points at the same time with a relay controlling both points from the one you only want to throw, if the other is open. That way you can forget which way the first point is thrown.
That’s an interesting option, Leslie, many thanks regards Charlie
I am not sure about Tortoise or MTB but with Cobalt one can wire the motors on symmetrical three way points so that if the heal is thrown the second motor will not activate until the heal is closed. Thankfully in N, one can only get asymmetrical, so the issue does not arise.
Hi Paul. Tortoise and MTB 5 and 10s can also do that. However, Richard’s method requires only one switch, rather than two.
Regards Charlie.
Well done again Charlie. I too have a 3 way turnout installed and actuated by servo motors. I have solved the trapping problem with 2 red LEDs, on the left and right reverse respectively, and a green led on the normal (straight thru'). These LEDs are on my mimic panel. The "home position", normal, is always green and always left on that route. Then if I need to diverge left or right, the green is off and the appropriate red led is lit for the chosen route. Once the manoeuvre is finished the normal (green) is chosen.
I must say that process took a while before the penny droppped!
However, I don't like this form of 3 way turnout. I much prefer the Assymetric style as the 2 sets of point blades are further apart and the point trapping not so injurious (to the blades), if at all.
Thanks for sharing.😊
Thanks for sharing your method, Peter. As you say the point is a nightmare, but perhaps a necessary one, if spaces at a premium.
Regards Charlie.
this is looking great
Thanks Fred, regards Charlie
Fabulous Charlie. Thank you. Isn't the endless quest for learning and discovery wonderful. Your resourcefulness and clear is helpful and impressive. Interesting spraying the track before ballasting, I usually spray the track and ballast together (ie to weather the track and ballast), I must try your method to see what the end result looks like. I learn so much from your channel and your innovations. Thanks for the university of layout building. I was wondering about a sort of interlocked switching for the 3 way point (eg using a spare switch terminals on one of the point motors to throw the other point motor). All the best, take care.
Thanks OF I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards, Charlie.
Fascinating video Charlie. Making good progress in this area now. Looking forward to seeing your next video. Roy.
Thanks Roy, hopefully it’ll be finished by the end of the month. Regards, Charlie.
Great video Charlie.
Thanks RW, that’s most kind.
Regards Charlie.
Great video as always, Charlie. I can confirm (from experience!) the 3-ways need to be operated with care, especially if driven by servos, which will hold the blade firmly in position regardless of what the other blade is trying to do. Also, expensive 3-ways and 4-ways are very unforgiving should there be any stray ballast, paint or even PVA. Mask off thoroughly, leave the sensitive areas absolutely clear and check operation before applying power.
Many thanks, for such valuable advice Alan. Regards, Charlie.
Completely agree about the social aspect of operating a model railway, it should be fun and a good activity with like-minded people.
Thanks RMN, it’s great to have you onboard. Regards, Charlie.
Really good advice on the 3 way point operating sequence, I have never given it a thought, I use DPDT switches and switch them simultaneously. So have been lucky due to throwing them at the same time, that I've never caused a problem when operating them. I don't have any automation on the layout except for the timers for the duration of the KaDee uncouplers. On hindsight maybe I should have given block detection and throttle point operation a little more consideration.
Thanks Sam. The block detection system is hugely expensive and time consuming! Regards Charlie.
Nice work Charlie 👍
Thanks robot, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Utube is kinda daft. The name is Rob Ot. I understand the confusion, but still...
Another fantastic informative video Charlie thank you for sharing.
You’re most welcome,MRS. Regards, Charlie.
You're getting very technical Charlie , Great video
The tech side is almost complete John, hopefully!
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, a thought for tablet stand, maybe some sort music sheet stand would work depending on leg setup though as you don't want any trip hazards, wow you going all out with computerise ops.
Actually, Alf, using the iPad saves a great deal of wiring. Regards, Charlie.
Awesome video Charlie
Thanks Christopher, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie.
Thanks for this Charlie. Was it easy to carry the board down to the shed? I admire your careful handling after all of your hard work.
It was a bit windy, mate. Regards, Charlie.
You can interlock the 3 way points using the auxiliaries on the point motors or use a PLC and scrap train controller. Use a plc, hmi and or a scada system.
Thanks, Paul, an interesting alternative. Regards, Charlie.
Another helpful video on by 0:30 the (by some) dreaded 3-way point. This misses one potentially important factor,
however. These points may look symmetrical but they are not. Further, they are not available in handed versions. If like me you use them at each end of fiddle yard loops,then the operating sequence for the two points will be different. This is not too difficult to arrange but needs to be factored into the control arrangements.
Thanks, Graham, for an interesting observation. Regards, Charlie.
Fantastic work Charlie
Many thanks Sam, that’s most kind.
Very good Charlie, sometimes the building of the layout can take over from what was once the original goal of running trains. All the best
Sometimes building the layout can be the original goal - or at least a large part of it.
@@grahamthompson6622 absolutely
I must admit, gentlemen, I do enjoy the building of it, and even the wiring! Regards Charlie
Charlie, I'm ready to come over and help you operate - and touch the pub a bit! I'll just have to get the transportation worked out! Seriously, the block detection just mystifies me. Perhaps, you can dedicate a session to how that all operates. . . . Thanks again for a great video!
Thanks, Pat. You’re too kind. I certainly will explain more on blocked detection, once I have mastered its foibles! Regards Charlie.
Wow! I think I will stick with my hand of god for now. Mind blown but who knows maybe in the future I may adopt some of this approach. Really interesting to see and learn.
Thanks CJ, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards, Charlie.
Keep on the god work on your layout. Now when Smarthand is up and running in your V10 TC its about time to take a look at "facilities" in order to make that fiddleyard running automaticly🙂 regards Michael
Thanks for the tip Michael, and thanks again for your assistance last week. Regards, Charlie.
Very good Charlie. But way to complicated for me. Your getting nearer to your 100K I see. I hope you & your good lady have a lovely weekend 😊😊😊
Thanks, Nigel, that’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie.
Hello Charlie,another interesting and enjoyable video as ever.Made me have a quick think about my three way polnts but they are Peco 55 asymmetric so the blade problem doesn’t occur.Now I know that they are not really your bag but DCCconcepts can give you interlocking [ also with scissors crossings ] so I just wondered given your knowledge of such things,that there is an interlocking system out there somewhere.We know about the frailty of human memory.Wishing you well.PH
Thanks Peter, I also realise that the tortoise, and the MP5 and 10 also have this interlock due to having two internal switches. Regards, Charlie.
I think Jadlam in Wells sell Kadee products. They around the back of B&Q.
Yes, Kelvin, it’s my local. However, they don’t stop the solenoids. Regards, Charlie.
Hi Charlie, you mentioned using a rotary switch etc to prevent damage to the 3-way if it was operated out of sequence. This is not necessary of you use slow acting turnout motors which have 2 auxiliary switches ie Cobalt or MTB MP10. The 2nd switch is used to route the power to the other turnout motor so it only operates when required.
Yes I do realise that Simon. However, Richard‘s idea was that you only have one switch rather than two. Regards Charlie.
The photo he showed actually uses MP10s so for him it is easy. Agreed if you only have a turnout motor with one switch then more complicated, but I think I would try and fit a microswitch activated by the movement of the tiebar?@@ChadwickModelRailway
I sympathise with you regarding forgetting to cut the hole for the solenoid until after the track was in. In my case, I forgot to drill the holes for the actuating rods for my servos until after all the points were in - all 12 of them. So I had to carefully drill from the underside of the baseboard, through 3/4” ply and 2” XPS styrofoam, making sure to stop before I destroyed the throw bar. Did I mention this was N scale, just to make it more fun. Somehow I managed it, but it’s a lesson well learned if I ever start a new layout.
Blimey Ron, that is a difficult achievement. I did it once with a plunge router just to see if it could be done! Regards Charlie.
Interesting video as usual. Always nice to see significant progress.
For an iPad mount that you will using/touching rather than just viewing you need something that will be solid and lock in place or it wobbles around . Mounts that use springs (like a desk lamp) have too much movement and the touch function will be unreliable.
Thanks Glen, I think I have tracked down a suitable steel mount. Regards, Charlie.
Great video charlie
Thanks HR, regards Charlie
TV wall mounting arm. put a base onto the arm and attach your screens as needed? Should work.
These mounts were perfect.
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie have a look at RAM mounts they aren’t telescopic but you can mount them to your fascia boards and it will hold your iPads nice and steady I use them for my devices in my tow truck tablet holders are also available and the arm sizes vary
Many thanks A1351 but I think that I have a solution. I already have the base section so minimal expense.
Regards Charlie
Hi, it was an instructional and useful video as we have always been spoiled with. I just wanted to share my thoughts about the two MP10s one after the other on a three-way switch. The MP10 has 2 changeover switches. I would use the output of one of the changeover switches of the first mp10, that is powered when point two is free. The power of that electric point I would user to power the second MP10. In this way, the power supply of the second MP10 is in series with the correct position of the first MP10. (I hope I don't make my explanation too confusing). You need only two toggle switches to operate the MP10. When the first is in the correct possition to operate the second everything will works. With The first point in te blocking possition the second mp10 can't be operated because it does not receives power.
I have discussed this method at length with a friend. The only draw back is that it takes two switch movements as opposed to one, with a rotary switch.
Regards Charlie
Another interesting vlog Charlie but I think I will keep making my bird boxes and leave the technology to you 😂.
We do what we enjoy Martin.
As an aside, we have a pair of red legged partridges visiting our garden most days. Regards, Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway yes Charlie but it still amazes me how you understand all the technical stuff and still call it playing with trains haha. Interesting about the partridges.
Great Video love seeing the integration with smart Hand maybe next Payday
I hope your Friends are Paying for Lunch maybe sell tickets to play on your Club layout with a Q&A session .
Me and SWMBO would love a Day down at West Camel playing On the Club Layout
Do you Know when the Summer Open Day is?
Keep up the Great Work.
Hi Chris, our summer open day is on 22nd June. Please do come along.
Regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Cheers Charlie that was Quick
I,ll Book it of at Work Tomorrow
Do you ever have to learn now to wire everything up again when you do a new board? Like when you did your last board, do you kind of "lose" how you did it before and have to look back or look at diagrams and brush up before doing the newer board? Also, is it really necessary to use the blue tac if you've got those connection wires powering the points from the stock rail? Or is it just for insurance? I wired my point rail to the stock rail and had a separate wire for the frog, so I kept my point rails in the middle and just sprayed the whole thing with an airbrush and it works fine...well, the small yard with about 6 turnouts. So awesome to see it coming together as a whole!
Thanks Charlie!
Hi Andrew, protecting the contact services during spraying, is just best practice. Regarding the wiring, it’s quite straightforward once you have the experience. Regards, Charlie.
I’m interested to see how to show point numbers on the layout. I see your dots as temporary guidance (I write mine onto the wood sometimes) but what about as scenery, that shows the turnout address? Or the track section for DCC control?
You could display the numbers on relay cabinets RW. In the fullness of time, I shouldn’t need the numbers as the points will just be changed via the iPads. Regards, Charlie.
Not sure why the blue tack was necessary as you have made the alteration to the point to make it live regardless of the contact point with the stock rail.
It's really coming along very well Charlie.
Just belt and braces, you can never be too sure. Regards, Charlie.