Glad you take a skeptic approach of the An-Xileel claims for the most part, but I think you still might be giving them too much credit. The lore community really loves the notion that the Argonian defense during the Oblivion Crisis was so successful they actually counter-invaded Oblivion - and to be clear, it sounds awesome, so who can blame them? But this claim is, in reality, very dubious. The only mention of it comes from Mere-Glim, an argonian teenager who hadn’t been born yet when it happened 48 years ago (and, if it matters, is currently drunk when he says this). That claim is immediately surrounded by his friend Annaïg telling him that she thinks he believes what the An-Xileel say too easily. While it is likely true that the Argonians were quite successful in the defense of Black Marsh given there seems to be very little lingering damage from the attack, the claim of argonians invading Oblivion would definitely be something the An-Xileel would fabricate as propaganda
Since I've been playing Argonian ever since my first Skyrim start, seeing the Argonian "making themselves great again!" is a good thing in my book :D If only so I can get Argonian Armor and weapons in the next Elder scrolls game.
Bethesda so sucks in this, they can't literally add anything good related to argonians in terms of in-game artifacts, armors, clothes and magic - those things are behind the scene, only in lore. In one of the coolest lore. In tes online they make good job towards argonians, cause you can encounter argonian armor from different styles and tribes, from savage bones to ancient masterwork metallurgy like Sul-Xan, argonian sets that do some little argonian magical shit. ZOS made a really good job, they even added redisign to some helmets and masks to fit argonian heads(you can really cosplay some mysterious saxhleel vicious snake mage-priest in those dragonpriest renegade mask) Not enough for me as i am an enjoyer of an deep argonian lore and it is a race with a more deep and cool lore you can find in tes and a lot of things you can realise in game, but still...
@@DarkAdept1 I mean you can say that about every race in ESO. The reason? That game has been under development for 17 years with a constant flow of funding, while Skyrim saw 4 years at most. It's like comparing Warcraft 3 to WoW, of course there's going to be more content.
Great video as always! Just when I think I know everything there is to know about elder Scrolls lore, I find out something new- tells you how insanely Deep this universe really is!
So since Saturalia, Old Life, and New Life festivals are around the corner for us here on earth it would be amazing if you did a lore video on these festivals and there traditions!
The An-Xileel should step up and try the same game the Thalmor are playing. I mean, if you look at how they felt with the oblivion crisis, anyone can see that they are great warriors, I think they’d decimate the Thalmor, and since the Thalmor defeated the Empire quite easily, I think the An-Xileel would probably be able to do that to. Plus, seeing the Elves conquering anything they want is lame, seeing Argonians take over Tamriel would be quite fun to watch tho… Heh.
Yes that would be quite the turn of events int the lore. But the Argonians are more chill. They don't really want to conquer other races. Simply want to be left alone really.
I really wish we get to see or at least hear more of them in the future; they’re such an interesting faction and the Argonians have been really neglected by the games, so more lore regarding them and what they’re doing would be phenomenal.
Drawing real world parallels; An-Xileel controlled Black Marsh shares a mix of Francoist Spain & some of the more ethno-nationalist countries in the third world. Highly authoritarian & xenophobic, yet aside a few irredentist claims, is inward focus, not expansionist. Alongside the Empire and the Dominion, Argonia is one of the 3 great powers in Tamriel during the 4th era, it would be interesting for more info to be given on their status. I also look forward to the Accession War remaster.
I wonder if Bethesda have balls to make an argonian emperor in next series and just make saxhleel as new major political force that rule or dominate in Tamriel. Empire of Cyrodil almost die as we see in Skyrim, but i really tired from elves-oriented plots about dominion shit or dunmer shit. Elves are generic and kinda boring shit you stole from Tolkien lets be honest. You can't focus your unique fantasy settings around elves, they are irrelevant in comparison to ancient saxhleel lore. They literally need just plant some hist tree into white gold tower that will turn Cyrodil into a deadly tropical land. TES universe just need such kind of refreshment.
I actually agree with them when it's comes to not blindly obeying the Hist such as when they just ordered the Argonians to give up their advanced culture I however obviously don't agree with any the regime's totalitarian actions aka being a regime.
Well it's actually really interesting how the hist view things. They've been around since Tamriel came into existence and it's possible the Hist have the ability to peak into the future if the books and ESO lore are to be believed. The reason they were told to abandon their advanced civilization could have been for many reasons, one of the more prominent ones being enslavement to the Dunmer. It may sound strange, but taking no retaliatory action against them and not being a major political threat means they avoided invoking the ire of the Tribunal during it's height. Also not having a powerful civilization meant they weren't targeted by the Numidium when Tiber set out to conquer the continent. As much as we the players really like the Arogians, the Hist basically cultivate them as a means of communicating and interacting with other creatures in mundus. I find it hard to believe they would set them on a path to destruction if that would eventually mean their own.
@@NutronicAtomicit was war planning on the scale of millennia. They allowed the dunmer to set themselves on an inevitable path to destruction via the Heart and become probably one of the most truly hated races. The Hist had the Argonians chill and let the other races do the heavy lifting, as they wait the centuries for the perfect opportunity, which came with the oblivion crisis.
The An-Xileel has potential to be a preferable government given their ability to act independent of the Hist, and their coordinating council wih other races for foreign policy. So what if they're nationalist, they're clearly not national (and ethnic) exeptionalists like the Thalmor. A very important difference to anyone who's versed in Political Science. I'd still want to see imperial suzerainty over the province but I wouldn't mind the An-Xileel being in charge internally if their anti-Empire stances and totalitarian nature could be revised.
Question is whether or not they really are acting independently of the hist. Entirely possible the hist just decided it was time to go back on some things
Wait the minute... I keep hearing people are saying that Akatosh and Alduin are the same. If that's the case then why did Akatosh/Alduin create the Dragonborn to destroy Akatosh/Alduin in the first place? That's just stupid! I prefer Akatosh and Alduin as themselves instead of the same being.
Basically its cause skyrim fucked it up, lemme explain it as it was before TES5 So while the Imperials worship Akatosh, the Nords too recognize a version of the Dragon God of Time, Alduin. The Nords view Alduin as the being that brings the end of the Kalpas, eating the world so that the next can begin anew. When Alessia took over Cyrodiil and destroyed the Ayleid Empire, she had to appeal to the First Nordic Empire as well as the Ayleid kings who assisted her in winning the war, so she merged the Ayleid and Nordic pantheons into what we now know as the Eight Divines. The elven concept of the god of time being heroic and caring for mortals was merged with the Nordic concept of a dragon god, and so Auri-El and Alduin became Akatosh. On Alessia’s deathbed, she was granted the Dragonblood by Akatosh and the Dragonfires were lit, with the promise that as long as a Dragonborn emperor sat on the Imperial throne, the Daedra could not invade Nirn en masse. TES3 and TES4 both implicated that the Nords worshipped their original pantheon, not the Nine Divines, but by the time of TES5 Bethesda retconned it so that Alduin was a separate entity to Akatosh and that the Nords were converted to the worship of the Nine Divines.
@@ppk4766 yes but that is a retcon, prior to TES5 bethesda presented alduin as the nordic interpretation of akatosh or to be more specific, akatosh as the imperial interpretation of alduin
@@saddboye1568 Personally, I don't necessarily think bethesda retconned it considering tes5 has a 200 year time jump from the previous game, I would say nordic pantheon declined in popularity instead for the imperial pantheon between the 2 century gap. To support this, an npc in skyrim who's the only known nord to worship the nordic gods talks about how the nordic worship declined overtime. Heck Bethesda even addressed the Alduin/akatosh problem by publishing the book Akatosh/alduin dichotomy in skyrim. It confirms most nords who were still worshipping their Nordic pantheon didn't perceived alduin as the imperial's pantheon of akatosh rather than an extension of him.
I first read the title as "The seductive rulers of Black Marsh...." I think I've had enough Internet for today
read the lusty argonian maid a bit too much, do you?
@@irrelevant5820 i will not confirm nor deny this asumption
@@irrelevant5820 Lifts-Her-Tail wants to know your location.
@@TC-th1ey I will tell my location if she lifts her tail for me (¬‿¬)
You should change your books boi
Glad you take a skeptic approach of the An-Xileel claims for the most part, but I think you still might be giving them too much credit.
The lore community really loves the notion that the Argonian defense during the Oblivion Crisis was so successful they actually counter-invaded Oblivion - and to be clear, it sounds awesome, so who can blame them? But this claim is, in reality, very dubious.
The only mention of it comes from Mere-Glim, an argonian teenager who hadn’t been born yet when it happened 48 years ago (and, if it matters, is currently drunk when he says this). That claim is immediately surrounded by his friend Annaïg telling him that she thinks he believes what the An-Xileel say too easily.
While it is likely true that the Argonians were quite successful in the defense of Black Marsh given there seems to be very little lingering damage from the attack, the claim of argonians invading Oblivion would definitely be something the An-Xileel would fabricate as propaganda
Since I've been playing Argonian ever since my first Skyrim start, seeing the Argonian "making themselves great again!" is a good thing in my book :D
If only so I can get Argonian Armor and weapons in the next Elder scrolls game.
Bethesda so sucks in this, they can't literally add anything good related to argonians in terms of in-game artifacts, armors, clothes and magic - those things are behind the scene, only in lore. In one of the coolest lore. In tes online they make good job towards argonians, cause you can encounter argonian armor from different styles and tribes, from savage bones to ancient masterwork metallurgy like Sul-Xan, argonian sets that do some little argonian magical shit. ZOS made a really good job, they even added redisign to some helmets and masks to fit argonian heads(you can really cosplay some mysterious saxhleel vicious snake mage-priest in those dragonpriest renegade mask) Not enough for me as i am an enjoyer of an deep argonian lore and it is a race with a more deep and cool lore you can find in tes and a lot of things you can realise in game, but still...
@@DarkAdept1 I mean you can say that about every race in ESO. The reason? That game has been under development for 17 years with a constant flow of funding, while Skyrim saw 4 years at most. It's like comparing Warcraft 3 to WoW, of course there's going to be more content.
Great video as always! Just when I think I know everything there is to know about elder Scrolls lore, I find out something new- tells you how insanely Deep this universe really is!
Very nice video. I just read the first book of the Infernal city a month ago so this was a good addition.
So since Saturalia, Old Life, and New Life festivals are around the corner for us here on earth it would be amazing if you did a lore video on these festivals and there traditions!
Your wish has been granted. Don't forget to check it out
The An-Xileel should step up and try the same game the Thalmor are playing. I mean, if you look at how they felt with the oblivion crisis, anyone can see that they are great warriors, I think they’d decimate the Thalmor, and since the Thalmor defeated the Empire quite easily, I think the An-Xileel would probably be able to do that to. Plus, seeing the Elves conquering anything they want is lame, seeing Argonians take over Tamriel would be quite fun to watch tho… Heh.
Yes that would be quite the turn of events int the lore. But the Argonians are more chill. They don't really want to conquer other races. Simply want to be left alone really.
I really wish we get to see or at least hear more of them in the future; they’re such an interesting faction and the Argonians have been really neglected by the games, so more lore regarding them and what they’re doing would be phenomenal.
Great video!
Drawing real world parallels; An-Xileel controlled Black Marsh shares a mix of Francoist Spain & some of the more ethno-nationalist countries in the third world. Highly authoritarian & xenophobic, yet aside a few irredentist claims, is inward focus, not expansionist.
Alongside the Empire and the Dominion, Argonia is one of the 3 great powers in Tamriel during the 4th era, it would be interesting for more info to be given on their status. I also look forward to the Accession War remaster.
I wonder if Bethesda have balls to make an argonian emperor in next series and just make saxhleel as new major political force that rule or dominate in Tamriel. Empire of Cyrodil almost die as we see in Skyrim, but i really tired from elves-oriented plots about dominion shit or dunmer shit. Elves are generic and kinda boring shit you stole from Tolkien lets be honest. You can't focus your unique fantasy settings around elves, they are irrelevant in comparison to ancient saxhleel lore. They literally need just plant some hist tree into white gold tower that will turn Cyrodil into a deadly tropical land. TES universe just need such kind of refreshment.
Ah yes, my fellow frog people!
Don't let them tell you that you are lizards, you are frogs! Be proud of your heritage!
Get out with your green washing lizard slander.
Stay strong my scaly brethren!
I actually agree with them when it's comes to not blindly obeying the Hist such as when they just ordered the Argonians to give up their advanced culture I however obviously don't agree with any the regime's totalitarian actions aka being a regime.
Blindly following the Hist, kinda weird. Extremely powerful military that conquers all human and elven civilization, freaking awesome.
Well it's actually really interesting how the hist view things. They've been around since Tamriel came into existence and it's possible the Hist have the ability to peak into the future if the books and ESO lore are to be believed. The reason they were told to abandon their advanced civilization could have been for many reasons, one of the more prominent ones being enslavement to the Dunmer. It may sound strange, but taking no retaliatory action against them and not being a major political threat means they avoided invoking the ire of the Tribunal during it's height. Also not having a powerful civilization meant they weren't targeted by the Numidium when Tiber set out to conquer the continent.
As much as we the players really like the Arogians, the Hist basically cultivate them as a means of communicating and interacting with other creatures in mundus. I find it hard to believe they would set them on a path to destruction if that would eventually mean their own.
@@NutronicAtomicit was war planning on the scale of millennia. They allowed the dunmer to set themselves on an inevitable path to destruction via the Heart and become probably one of the most truly hated races.
The Hist had the Argonians chill and let the other races do the heavy lifting, as they wait the centuries for the perfect opportunity, which came with the oblivion crisis.
MAGA: Make Argonia Great Again
HELL YEAH
GAMERS RISE UP!
"The prey approaches"
An-Xileel motto is basically MAGA
"Make Argonia Great Again"
Yes.
The An-Xileel has potential to be a preferable government given their ability to act independent of the Hist, and their coordinating council wih other races for foreign policy. So what if they're nationalist, they're clearly not national (and ethnic) exeptionalists like the Thalmor. A very important difference to anyone who's versed in Political Science. I'd still want to see imperial suzerainty over the province but I wouldn't mind the An-Xileel being in charge internally if their anti-Empire stances and totalitarian nature could be revised.
Question is whether or not they really are acting independently of the hist. Entirely possible the hist just decided it was time to go back on some things
You are dedicated. I just watched a vid from several years ago and seen u still post actively
Wait the minute... I keep hearing people are saying that Akatosh and Alduin are the same. If that's the case then why did Akatosh/Alduin create the Dragonborn to destroy Akatosh/Alduin in the first place? That's just stupid! I prefer Akatosh and Alduin as themselves instead of the same being.
Basically its cause skyrim fucked it up, lemme explain it as it was before TES5
So while the Imperials worship Akatosh, the Nords too recognize a version of the Dragon God of Time, Alduin. The Nords view Alduin as the being that brings the end of the Kalpas, eating the world so that the next can begin anew. When Alessia took over Cyrodiil and destroyed the Ayleid Empire, she had to appeal to the First Nordic Empire as well as the Ayleid kings who assisted her in winning the war, so she merged the Ayleid and Nordic pantheons into what we now know as the Eight Divines. The elven concept of the god of time being heroic and caring for mortals was merged with the Nordic concept of a dragon god, and so Auri-El and Alduin became Akatosh. On Alessia’s deathbed, she was granted the Dragonblood by Akatosh and the Dragonfires were lit, with the promise that as long as a Dragonborn emperor sat on the Imperial throne, the Daedra could not invade Nirn en masse.
TES3 and TES4 both implicated that the Nords worshipped their original pantheon, not the Nine Divines, but by the time of TES5 Bethesda retconned it so that Alduin was a separate entity to Akatosh and that the Nords were converted to the worship of the Nine Divines.
@@saddboye1568 damn that's stupid. Skyrim really did f*ck it up pretty good.
To even clear the misunderstanding, Alduin states that he's actually the firstborn of Akotosh.
@@ppk4766 yes but that is a retcon, prior to TES5 bethesda presented alduin as the nordic interpretation of akatosh or to be more specific, akatosh as the imperial interpretation of alduin
@@saddboye1568 Personally, I don't necessarily think bethesda retconned it considering tes5 has a 200 year time jump from the previous game, I would say nordic pantheon declined in popularity instead for the imperial pantheon between the 2 century gap. To support this, an npc in skyrim who's the only known nord to worship the nordic gods talks about how the nordic worship declined overtime.
Heck Bethesda even addressed the Alduin/akatosh problem by publishing the book Akatosh/alduin dichotomy in skyrim. It confirms most nords who were still worshipping their Nordic pantheon didn't perceived alduin as the imperial's pantheon of akatosh rather than an extension of him.
:D
I heard that the An-Xileel are like a Nazi faction.
U probably misheard aldmeri dominion
Nationalist, not Nazi.
I think they may have no choice considering their neighbors....
You mean Aldmeri Dominion? That one sure behave like a goddamn nazi.