SS Eastland Disaster...why did it happen? More with Capt. Darrell & Mutiny on the Eastland!
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- What caused the SS Eastland disaster? It's not an easy answer; there were several things that led up to its demise, including overloading of passengers and modifications that decreased its draft and made the ill-riding ship to be too top-heavy. But as we'll learn from Captain Darrell, the Titanic also played a roll...specifically from legislation that came on the other side of the sinking of the Titanic. We'll dive in during this final episode of the Eastland disaster...and we'll also share some other interesting stories, including Mutiny on the Eastland and the ship's afterlife in the United State Navy...all that and so much more. Thanks for your support!
I enjoy watching Capt. Darrell . As a retired coal miner 37 years. We seen Official investigations on accidents & deaths before. Them officials are real good at spreading the blame all around trying keep everyone happy. I lost many friends in accidents we know really what happened. That why I think Darrell is correct on most if not all accidents. Experience is something you can’t buy or learn out of a book.
Very well said. Experience is always the best teacher...and Capt. Darrell is one of the best examples. Thanks for watching...HMM
Thank you for another great video! I can never imagine how anyone could ever think a ship so riding high in the water and so thin and top heavy could be safe! Thanks for keeping the Eastland alive. I enjoy history and hope to help teach it or bring it to others one day, thank you. And as a football fan it really interested me when George Halas was supposed to be on that ship. Even though I’m a Packers fan, I’m still glad he didn’t go on the Eastland. Halas was actually one of the people who helped fund Lambeau Field. Thanks again!
Thanks again, James. Interesting note on Halas...I didn't know that about Lambeau Field. HMM
History is very important and I’m glad you and Captain Darrell share all of these stories with us! You two never disappoint!! Thank you gentlemen!
Thanks again, Brady...always appreciated. HMM
Wow! Who would have thought, putting enough lifeboats to for every person would have caused such a tragedy.
HMM, thank you.
This whole series with Captain Darrell was outstanding and interesting.
Thanks Roger. My movies are never complete without hearing from you...helps keep me inspired to keep going. HMM
@HistoryMysteryMan thank you, that means alot to me.
Keep up the good work
Yes sireeeeee....@@rogerozdarski2935
Best knowledge videos 💯👍
So many thanks! HMM
" if we fail to remember history, we are doomed to repeat it ". I don't remember whom to credit, but, the words ring true. We can honor the memories of those who parished , by remembering their story.
Thanks again, a true pleasure!
And that's just the thing. Seems to me we keep failing to remember history...and keep failing the same lessons over and over...especially considering the scary shape of our country today. Many US soldiers who gave all are rolling over in the graves. We must do better. Thanks again, Robert...HMM
George Santayana is the man. The quote: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
No truer words...thanks. HMM@@ole5539
@HistoryMysteryMan yah. So true I love that you and Captain Darrell don't filter your words! Keep producing content, guys. I'll keep watching!
And...there's a lot of footage that doesn't make the shows, so I may play some of that too coming up...thanks! HMM@@toddsgreatoutdoors4226
I truly enjoy your videos! Lots of great information in all. The captain you showed though is Captain Henry Kendall the captain of the RMS Empress of Ireland
I'm aware of that. I couldn't find a photo of the actual captain. Thanks! HMM
Every time I seen the photo of the firefighter carrying the body of a baby will always shake me to the core. The face of that firefighter says it all. What a great and informative video and many thanks to Mr. Walton for taking time out of his day to share his story and experiences with us!
No doubt...if there's one photo that sums up the tragedy, that's got to be the one. Thanks for taking the time to watch...so appreciated. HMM
This made my otherwise dull day... 😊
Thanks...glad to spark up your day, Jeremy! HMM
I've known about the Eastland for years, but I've never learned about it in such detail. Add to that Captain Darrell & HMM personalities and you have a great and enjoyable learning experience.
Thanks again; your continual feedback is so helpful and encouraging. HMM
Coming from Australia, currently changing my brake pads on my car, saw this release and grabbed my zinger box and sat back and watched it
Hey that's awesome...so appreciated. Hope you got your brake job done. What's a Zinger Box? So rewarding to get your message all the way from Australia...HMM
@@HistoryMysteryMan a Zinger box is an Aussie meal box option from KFC, I’m not sure if it’s available in other countries, but it’s my go to. I got my brakes done, preparing my car for a road worthy inspection, but as I said I saw the notification of your new video and dropped everything haha, also thanks for replying, I feel like not many TH-camrs do, so full respect to you. Say gday to Capt. Darrel for me, would love to meet you both someday.
It's super-cool to gain a new friend from Australia...and I really appreciate your respect. And now my life is more complete...because I know what a Zinger Box is! Love me some KFC. I have some friends down your way in the racing industry...and I'd love to visit some time. Thanks again, my friend. HMM@@zaydenspeechley1882
Catching up on your videos and, as always, vey informative and entertaining. A anecdote on the subject of immigration, my mother’s family of Bohemian farmers had settled in a largely Czech community in Kansas - complete with stories of covered wagons, etc. My mother and her siblings had long suspected that my grandfather and many of the elders still spoke in their native language but all denied knowing it and were never heard speaking anything but English. One day, my mother and aunt happened into a room in the back of a feed or hardware store and a group of men, including my grandfather, were conversing in a language unknown to my mother & aunt. When the presence of these two girls was realized by these men they immediately ceased conversation and dispersed. It was later explained to my sister and aunt that these men were fiercely proud of their American “heritage” and deeply ashamed to have been discovered displaying any link to the old country. My, how times have changed…
Amazing story...loved it, and I appreciate you sharing it here. Now it seems people migrate to America to set up in their own native-born cultures, separate or without regard and/or respect for the American culture. Yes...times have changed in a major league way...and it ain't good. Thanks for your contributions to my channel. HMM
I worked in the Loop for 25 years and never knew about the Eastland Disaster til the PBS documentary in 2019 think it was. I probably passed by the plaque hundreds of times and never knew it was there. Thank you both for your wonderful coverage of this tragedy.
You're welcome! I worked on a tug and barge that plowed past the site on the Chicago River a zillion times and I never knew about the story. Now, I want to go back and see it up close and personal. Thanks again! HMM
Once again, thanks for the Awesome History Lesson. HMM & Capt. Walton you two are Absolutely Amazing.
Thanks...we really appreciate you. HMM
Thank you for showing the photos to go with the story. Looking at the faces, the names, and the newspaper headlines haunts me. My heart goes out to the engineer, may he rest in the peace he so longed for, and so too the souls of all who were lost that day. Also the survivors of that day, and the witnesses and rescuers, all gone on to their reward by now. May the Lord not hold them accountable for any wrong they may have done after that day, if it was done out of human weakness caused by their horror at viewing this tragedy, as it happened and in the aftermath. I don't know how anyone could be of sound mind after seeing that. Maranatha!
Thanks Kim...for sharing your thoughts here. HMM
Great to see videos like this, please keep them coming!
Thanks again! HMM
I love this series with you and Captain Darrell Walton, you are both very informative. I would really like to see a video(s) with you both going over the missing of the Andrea Gail....Cheers!!
So many thanks. I'll ask Capt. D about the Andrea Gail...HMM
Great job Don and Darrell on the Eastland videos. So much to learn about this tragic sinking.
A badly designed ship. Greed and the need to maximize profits, and of course poor decisions by the captain and crew.
In addition to the extra weight of the life boats, they also strengthened the upper decks by ripping out the wood.....and then installing concrete as a decking material. Think of that weight!
I vacation each summer in South Haven, MI. They have a historical marker along the Black River discussing the Eastland. And their fine Michigan Maritime Museum has a really cool large display right now called "Full Steam Ahead: The Golden Age of Great Lakes Passenger Steamships". I went through it last Summer.
Thanks again guys. You make a great pair. I love when you two get together to talk ships. So how did you guys meet? However it happened, I'm certainly glad it did!
Thanks Chuck...great point on the added concrete. I didn't know about the stuff in South Haven...sounds like I'm going to have to make that trip this summer. Darrell and I met in 1984; we were both Captains on the passenger vessels Arawanna Queen and Arawanna Princess out of the port of Toledo. We lost touch, then I reached out to him a couple years ago because I remembered him telling me about his uncle who went down on the Fitz. Then, he showed up with his scruffy old beard, and the rest is history! HMM
So many times we loose touch with former friends.....never to meet again. In your case, it was well well worth your effort to rekindle a friendship. Again, you two make for very interesting discussions when you get together.
The Maritime Museum in South Haven, MI is so worth the visit. First class all the way. Geez, you could also visit a similar museum (Old Lighthose Museum) in Michigan City, MI on your way up to South Haven. You could then say you did a 'twofer'.@@HistoryMysteryMan
I cannot believe there hasn’t been a movie made about this! If I recall, the designer and engineer of the Eastland had no experience. He was a businessman. I’m sure the Titanic tragedy influenced larger vessels on the transatlantic routes, however, in smaller locales where there is more discrepancy in the supply and demand equation, you’re bound to have oversight. Now that more wealth has come to the Great Lakes (by wealth I mean resources and exploitation of resources) you’re likely to have less oversight and more red tape..but look at what happened to the Titan submersible! 😮
Yes...it would be a very emotional and compelling movie, and unlike the story of the Mighty Fitz, we know exactly what happened with the Eastland...so the script would write itself, so to speak. Good point on the Titan. Oversight is more common when the almighty dollar is the backdrop. Thanks again, Penelope...HMM
The Czech people include my ancestors on my mom’s side. They were recruited in Europe by Western Electric. The Czech immigrants also worked in great numbers for meat packers at Chicago’s Union Stockyards, as well as the Burlington Northern and Union Pacific railroads and the International Harvester Company.
Now there's some history I wasn't aware of...thanks for sharing it here, David. HMM
@@HistoryMysteryManDo you know why there were large Serbian, Croatian, etc. communities on Chicago’s south east side and NW Indiana? US Steel recruited them and helped them with immigrating. They did hard work that forklifts and conveyors do in modern times.
Super interesting...I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing that info here HMM@@DavidFischer-mj2sv
Geez, I don’t even know what to say! I had to watch the video a couple times just to take in all the info you fellas put out there for us folks to view……Incredible story, incredibly sad loss of life, thanks again for another amazing video, really look forward to watching these!!
Thanks again, Daniel. Your feedback is always so valuable...and we thank you for your kind words. HMM
History mystery man you nailed it out of the park with these historical great lakes videos i sure hope you and captain walton keep working together you two are a great team and both keep history alive keep up the great work fella's i salute ya both captains job well done
Thanks again, AJ...we always appreciate your feedback. And thanks for your salute! HMM
Another great video guys! Thank you very much!
You're welcome; thanks again for all your support...HMM
Excellent video. Hard to believe the Eastland was designed and built with such marginalized stability! Once again Corporate Greed led to her overloaded condition. Erie parallels to the overloaded lake freighters - however the cargo in this instance were human beings who had no idea of the inherent problems of the vessel - so tragic!
Whoa! That's an interesting perspective...the exchange of cargo for humans...never thought of it that way, but it makes sense. Thanks for your contributions, Todd...always appreciated. HMM
Thanks for another great video.
You're always welcome; thanks again for watching...HMM
People's definitely careful when their names were changed at Ellis Island. Thinking anything else us insane.
I've been on my buddies boat going down the Chicago River and when you go between them two bridges it's definitely a very eerie feeling. Keep up the good work Don 👍👍 p.s. what's the opening song lmao 🤣🤣 take care
When I was working the tugs and barges we went up and down the Chicago River constantly...but way back when I had no idea that the Eastland tragedy ever happened. I definitely want to go back. Thanks again. PS...I hope to reveal that song title soon...blows my mind though because it's so easily found. HMM
@@HistoryMysteryMan 👍👍 sounds good Don take care stay safe and have fun
I sure love your channel and I know you talked about doing the niche thing but I can’t get enough of this shipwreck stuff. I know you’ve got other interest and that’s OK but I really really enjoy learning about all these things. I love the Great Lakes. I love the life of some of these guys have lived and, it’s just really fascinating. I’ve traveled up there a lot meant to love museums, so thank you for bringing it to life and if you keep making a keep watching them thank you
Thanks Mike...and you're always welcome. Your feedback is very valuable for me...and I appreciate all of it. Stop by anytime...HMM
Fantastic video as always! Thanks History Mystery Man and Captain Darrell for another amazing episode!!❤❤
You're always welcome...thanks again! HMM
I love the history you and Captain Darrell talk about, I'm loving your videos.
Thanks again, Riley; we appreciate you and your continual feedback. Stop by anytime! HMM
I love your series ! Any stories about lake St. Clair?
Thanks! Good question on Lake St. Clair. I experienced one of the worst nights of my life one brutal cold winter's night on St. Clair...maybe I'll share that some time. HMM
Top of the heap when it comes to American maritime history fellas, another grand slam! Thanks for the investment.
So many thanks! HMM
Great story guys! Thanks for the history.
You're welcome Michael...thanks again. HMM
I never knew this. Thanks so much for sharing.
You're welcome! HMM
Another great video HMM
Thanks again, Lyle...HMM
They Have A Memorial Service Every Year Here In Michigan City Indiana On The Date Of The Eastland
Really!? I didn't know that. That sounds like something I'd like to attend...thanks for sharing, Michael. HMM
This is always a go to, thanks for your hard work.
You're always welcome George...thanks! HMM
Here we go! Amazing as always! 🙏🏴☠️
Thanks again, keystonepirate! HMM
You guys should do a video on the career of Captain Darrel if you haven't already he's really interesting, great work as always 😃
Good idea...haven't done that one yet...thanks! HMM
enjoyable listen gents! and her afterlife during ww1 ,ww2 !
Yeah...her war service was pretty amazing. Couldn't imagine actually serving on her though. Thanks again, Ron...HMM
Love the stories
Thanks Wade! HMM
Very captivating story but,Such a god awful tragedy...I've recently read that history may repeated itself in similar fashion, unfortunately... about 10 years ago I guess.. but anyway,thank you for everything and this follow up..see you next time.👍👍👊
You're welcome Elroy...thanks again. HMM
The Armory building that was used as the morgue to store and identity the bodies is the same building in which Oprah Winfrey produced her talk show.
Wow! Not there's a piece of history I had no idea about. I wonder if Winfrey knew that? Are you talking about the big brick building directly across the river from the tragedy? Thanks for sharing that here, James. HMM
@@HistoryMysteryManYes. The one with the unique "turret" feature. Oprah wasn't familiar with it's history prior to purchasing and renovating the property. Apparently she didn't learn of it's history until a few years later.Several of her staff reported strange occurrences routinely happening and even Oprah admitted to noticeing unusual activity and feeling uneasy while working late with few other people around.
Unbelievable! Love the content guys!❤❤❤
Thanks again, Todd...HMM
Great video.
I would love to drink a beer the captain
Thanks for the encouragement Polcat. Hear that Capt.? Someone wants to drink a beverage with you...HMM
Oceanliner designs has a video on the Eastland and MV Sewol. Sewol had the same issue
I'll have to watch that. Oceanliner Designs is a great channel for sure. HMM
Love the history.
So many thanks! HMM
Any immigrant is absolutely welcome to enter our great country as long as they enter LEGALLY! there is a process all our ancestors even followed for a REASON!!!
Absolutely! I'm willing to bet that those who are here now, who came through legally and appropriately are not taking kindly to what's happening today. Thanks again...HMM
@HistoryMysteryMan I think you are right. It would seem unfair. Especially for the people who try legally for a better life for their family and get denied. Then they see all these people flood our borders illegally! Such a shame that it's gotten to this point. Again, thank you and keep on doing your thing! You Captains are keeping the Great Lakes History alive and INTERESTING!!!
Thanks again p.k.5455...your continual encouragement helps a lot. HMM@@p.k.5455
@HistoryMysteryMan you got it!!! You guys are really top notch, and always look forward to the next one! You really are doing good stuff, and it promotes the learning of history that is NOT taught in school.
Miss ya,Need new videos 😊, And I don't live in Covington, Northern Kentucky, Just Saying 😊
Still here...more movies on the way. Thought you told me once you lived in Covington...my bad. HMM
View number 1 lol
That's because you're number one! Thanks Jordan, for being here...HMM
Love it when you guys team up! Keep em coming :)@@HistoryMysteryMan
Thanks again, Jordan. HMM@@jordanthomas8936
Awesome video
Thanks, as always, Bob...HMM
It's like real life TH-cam 😮 hiii lol
Love me some Real Life TH-cam! Thanks again...HMM