Agreed 🤔👊🔥✌ Thank you 🗽❤🗽 By the ways, Never forgive, This criminal drug dealer FordNation corrupted a whole population in #Ontario and blinded them to his billionS of dollars of #LOOT ...11 Reasons, Why he deserves #JAIL 1. Gave his own mpps a 16% salary increase on a 160000$ base & fu*ked over everyone else with a 3% increase. 2. Tried killing whistleblowers & witnesses & personally orchestrated the #gangstalking 3. Snow-mobiled when terrorists of #Canada were attacking our Capital. 4. Stole land worth billions 5. Screwed over our public hospitals 6. Screwed over our public transport 7. Screwed over law & order with his Malafide Lies. 8. Old folks died under Ford 9. His own mpps took tax-payer salary for their massages 10. 18 MZO'S to billionaires at his own daughters wedding. 11. Swallowing a BEE and while he was choking still remembered t say "REAL ESTATE" what a #RAAC 🤬
F**k around and find out has more to do with doing something rather than saying something. Back in the day we used to say "don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't pay for." I think is how it went. Love your show.
Reached the point where they're talking about immigration. - My partner is an immigrant researching sustainable agriculture and how to protect our crops from insect-borne diseases. Sunak and Braverman were born in this country and have no idea how hard and unfair it is already for people coming here to build a life for themselves and do something meaningful for this country. My partner is worried about how she's going to look after her parents, and we were planning for them to move to the UK in a few years so we can take care of them. And now we have yet another obstacle thrown in our way. As highly educated workers in our prime, if we end up having to leave it will be a loss for the UK.
Voting against immigrants is voting against the interests of the country. Not a UK citizen, but an American. Immigrants positively affect the economy by occupying many different important roles. I truly hope you are able to reunite your family and stay in the UK.
Removing the right of international students to bring dependents?!?!?!? That's terrible!! What if they have children??? Honestly i hate how politicians in the UK announce such cruel measures with a smile and sense of achievement
Im a kiwi with a centre right brixting boyfriend. We dont often agree on politics, but he has been listening to bits of the show and doesn't immediately "what about it" or just close his ears, which is a backhanded compliment, but meant as a compliment nonetheless. Keep up the good work! 🇳🇿🇬🇧
I think the best part about the Sisyphus analogy is that he doesn’t get to watch it tumble down the hill, he eventually gets tired of pushing and it rolls him over in a lot of tellings, which is exactly how it feels when Suella Braverman pops up again every week.
"refillable cokes" had me laughing so hard i had to rewind to hear the 15 or so seconds of convo that came after. I'm so grateful that Crooked teamed up for this podcast. It's giving me so much hope that we can protect our democracies. I think the Pod Save America team should follow the idea of "what does the country need saving from this week?" because it helps make things a bit more tangible in terms of how we can both become more educated on issues as well as start finding solutions. 🇬🇧💙🇺🇸
Loving the pod! Grew up in Northern Ireland but moved to the USA in my 20’s so have been listening to Pod Save America for a while. Always good to keep up with the Uk politics seeing as my whole family is still there!
Love love love your show, from across the pond. I very much appreciate your acknowledgement of all the people who work to make it happen. I can actually read their names as you say them😎
Nooooo not the BetterHelp sponsorship! How are they still getting away scott free with having unethical practices and still having sponsorship campaigns with podcasts and online creators!?
23:42 When she says "big brains and big..." [pauses to look at her computer screen to make sure she says the right word next] "...IDEAS" and the boys trying to hold it in but when they clock each other's reaction they burst out laughing
Regards your sponsor. I'm glad it exists. I don't understand why you're not outraged that such navigation and aggregation services are not available on NHS.
Incel culture, lone shooters etc: If you tell a whole bunch of folk to shut up and not express their outrageous views in public, if you shout down anyone who thinks hang on I find the motivations of a given political group suspicious - whether that is suspicion of "leftists" or obsession with "far right" as code for "things I can't empathise with"... Then they go have those conversations in private and self reinforce. We know bubbles are definitely a thing now but we're not making the connection that says we need to pop them, not suppress them. I don't know precisely what the answer is but I do know legally trying to constrain thought via speech is absolutely never ever going to have the effect you want.
I feel it is indicative of the depth of my americanisation that even though I am British I am way more familiar with "talk shit, get hit" and "fuck around, find out" than the get banged version, which I must say, sounds entirely too sexual to me to be threatening.
I find the UK Migration discussion fascinating - The country colonises roughly 55 of currently sovereign nations, Invades a hell of a lot more, literally pillages, enslaves and steals most of their stuff - For example India was 25% o the world economy and the UK about 3% pre-colonization, post colonization the statistics were reversed - and now it complains when those people come here to benefit from the stolen wealth. It's like someone stealing my chair, moving it across the city, i'm tired from not having had a chair to sit on so I go to the other side of the city not even to take the chair back, just to sit on it - but instead of saying sorry and giving me the chair back he says 'You must meet this and that criteria to sit on your chair...that I stole...but as I stole it last year...it's officially mine now' - Funny world.
UK birth rate : 1.56 births per woman. Unless that number bounce back to 2.1, a country needs immigration. That's not politics, that's mathematics (encouraging people to have children and reducing the cost of having them is politics and should be the priority over immigration policy)
Does the "donor class" include trade unions? As they are made of members, who vote within the union, then that is democratic, and not just a rich person or company giving money.
Paying a couple of quid a month, as part of your union sub, to the Labour Party is not the same as a couple of foreign millionaires or billionaires funneling millions (sometimes covertly) into Tory party coffers, in order to make sure that everything is privatised or deregulated, and that taxes are cut to the point of being almost non-existent.
I think everyone needs to play a settlement sim game and then they'd understand the overwhelming benefits of immigration. They grow and diversify economies. And beyond the practicality of it, why can't we just help people because they need help? It's not as if we've not contributed to the destabilization that resulted in them fleeing their homes in the first place. I'm from the U.S, but I think that last statement applies to the U.S. and the U.K. about equally.
Unfortunately I think the far right are very good at not explicitly stating their actual views (because they know they're abhorrent to most people) and they are very good at spreading their hatred through dog whistles and innuendos. Suella Braverman's described violent protestors outside asylum centres as 'not racist' and said that their 'concerns were understandable'. She did say violence was unacceptable so she stopped short of actually inciting violence, technically. Her rhetoric is still reasonably likely to lead to actual violence against asylum seekers. And given her views about peaceful climate change protests, her defending the concerns of anti immigrant, violent protestors is just a really loud dog whistle. Reminded me of Donald Trump defending the Charlottesville terrorists, or the Jan 6 insurrectionists, because she's giving the impression she does actually want to see violence against asylum seekers but can't/won't say it outright.
What does the inverted umbrella mean btw? Just a fun picture? A broken thing, like the UK body politic? Something forced to do something it shouldn't be doing?
what i love about this podcast as it has the this scandal happened and his shit of other political podcasts but it gives real solutions to the issues and leaves me feeling though politics is bad right now we can work on a path to make it better
The problem isn't immigration but exploitative employment practices which uses immigration to first exploit immigrants and from there drag down the bargaining power of UK nationals. How many of those nurses brought in (as a skills drain from poorer economies who have invested in their training) feel secure enough to join the strikes.
Is the "chat sh!t" part = to telling lies, though? Because the US's "talk sh!t, get hit" I always interpreted the talk isht part as equivalent to like trash-talk, as you'd expect in the middle of a basketball game or prior to a wrestling or boxing match. Maybe I've always been mistaken about that tho ❓🤔💭
It's so depressing to hear the UK labor party not even bother to take a moderate postiion that allows the ratchet to progress but more slowly. At least in the US our Democrats take token opposition positions, even if they don't follow through. ---- I also cannot agree that immigration is driving the rising inequality in the UK. I do agree that certain immigration related poicies have increased inequality, but laying it at the feet of immigration itself i think is deeply wrong. Immigration did not cause the policies of being able to pay laborers from other countries their going rate from their home countries. Westminster chose that. ---- Speaking as a Californian, referendums are just a bad idea without a lot of very difficult to implement safeguards. If you make serious political decisions decided by a vote of the whole population, you cause the decision to be easily gamed by disinformation. You end up with the referendums always being phrased in a way that is actively dishonest. And educating the entire population of the UK on each item being put up for vote is just not viable. ---- Pro tip, google translate can give you a rough idea how to say foreign phrases. It's not entirely reliable, but it's better than nothing.
The labour party by this point is just sick of losing and letting the tories piledrive the country into the dirt, they've adopted a policy of speaking a lot about the issues voters say they care about at the moment in the polls (the economy, the cost of living, the NHS and housing) and being very vague and quiet about social policies that they think the media will demonise them over. Imo its better this than a re-run of Corbyn as the most unpopular man in Britain standing for election, while I really liked most things corbyn wanted to do, he clearly wasn't a man who could win an election with our country in the state its in.
It's always both interesting and depressing to me that conservative parties in both the US _(I'm an American)_ and the UK treat _legal_ immigration and asylum-seeking as bad, for two reasons: (1) Capitalists require an underclass to milk for money and recent immigrants often have low expectations and plan to be taken advantage of in exchange for the right to live and raise their children in this wonderful new country. (2) Migration, legal or otherwise, is strongly positive for economic growth. Getting more people in your country is generally pretty great, particularly when those people want to work. The immigrant work ethic is not a myth or a stereotype, it's a statistical fact. We know why the conservatives are fighting immigration - they're bigots, and they need to be seen to be bigoted towards the "right" people, often but not always denoted by darker skin. I think a good portion of them are idiots who genuinely believe they're doing a good thing for the country by keeping out desperate, courageous people who want a better life and are willing to work for it, but some fraction must know their policies are self-defeating for helping the UK economy. The thing that really bothers me about your Labour Party, and Kier Starmer in particular, is that he seems to have bought into the conservative bigotry. Why is he trying to score points on the fact that the Tories did an insufficient job of keeping people out? Why isn't he saying something like: "Despite the best efforts of the Tories to continue their 13 years of economic failure and bigotry, I'm happy to see immigration is high! Labour is ecstatic to welcome these hard-working people to the UK, as we have many jobs that need filling, particularly in the health care field, as the Tories have also totally failed to address the health worker crisis. This is a wonderfully welcome, though entirely expected, abject failure of both policy and implementation by the conservatives, and I hope and expect that they will continue their incompetence!" Dunk on them for being hate-filled bigots. Dunk on them for ruining the economy. Continue to dunk on them for Brexit. But welcome the new immigrants with open arms and propose finding jobs for them in underserved fields rather than _prohibitions against working,_ which are the stupidest, most self-defeating regulations I can imagine _(perhaps aside from Brexit; sorry Brits)._
I definitely think the hate speech laws need scrapping. Laws to manage speech like this always get turned against those they are meant to protect and we've seen it happen since labour brought those in. We did not need those laws. We had incitement and verbal assault already.
I've just listened to this on Spotify. So funny (funny adjacent?)And was it Nish who said was this that the TH-cam comments were a font of considered and measured opinion? I actually remember that Scary spice joke. I misunderstood the "chat shit and get banged" phrase thinking that I could get laid by being a conservative party speaker. Preferably Penny Mordant.
It such cognitive dissonance that Nish Kumar has such a fantastic broadcasting voice and so delights in saying things in the most goofy way he can manage.
I wondered that too. I figure it'll get its own channel eventually but starting out they want it to have the visibility that Pod Save The World has so this show gains viewers
I like the show, and I get why you make it, but I do wish it was less one-sided. You guys have an agenda, and that's great, but i wish it was with more dialogue from a different perspective. UK politics is different from American politics. Most voters aren't hard left or hard, right, I thought a UK podcast would have a bit of different ends to help people not from the UK see a clearer picture.
@gskgregor i was disappointed that it was more one-sided than i thought it was going to be. We can find similarities through all global politics, and in the UK we have some similar yes, but we do have different problems and i was hoping that the conversations on this would be more about them with more dialog from different perspectives for people not from the UK to get clear picture of our issues.
Crooked Media is a liberal/lefist media company so their podcasts are leftist. This isn't a secret - it's the entire reason why the company was formed. If you're looking for "both sides" news, there are official news sources that offer that. A podcast from a leftist media company is going to present facts and a leftist perspective.
@gskgregor They didn't come to that conclusion because of a balanced discussion from both side's. Again, I don't blame them this is a more left political podcast, and they do use facts, so I can't fault them for that. I was just hoping for a balanced discussion with a range of different opinions, similar to some of LBC podcasts, but more targeted to a younger audience.
I hate the term immigrant. How about "visitor" (work and student visa) "neighbour" (relative of a visitor) and "local" (naturalised or native born)? And asylum seekers and refugees can then be asylum seekers and refugees so we can stop conflating the two in with the regular "I just want to move" style immigration.
The “visitor” type you’ve described does exist, it’s called “expats”. Though I think there’s a lot of interesting association with it, for example I’ve only ever heard people from Western Europe countries call themselves “expats”, even though some literally retire to a cheaper country and never leaves or go back to their home country in the end. My fellow non-white “visitor” types always just addresses ourselves as “international students”, or say something like, “I’m on a student/work visa”. A lot of us even settle down permanently and take on citizenships, but don’t necessarily consider ourselves “immigrants” because of our own subconscious bias that, today, that words is reserved for people who are pursuing for better life from a significantly worse off country.
@@harriet.z When English people go to live in other countries they are "expats"; and when people from other countries come to live in England they are "immigrants". Everyone knows that /s
Gay marriage wasn’t a thorny issue in Ireland. It passed with 62% of the vote and was never likely to fail. And I refute the representation of Ireland as a any sort of religious country. It has thankfully ceased to be several decades ago. Cultural Catholicism is quite different from practising Catholicism. Citizen’s assemblies are made up of ordinary people. I’m not sure if you’ve met many ordinary people but half of them are thick as mince. Their findings are reported on the news in Ireland but nobody cares what they say and it’s doubtful civil servants pass any heed on them. It’s a sop to the general public and the civil servants will do it their way anyway.
Not a great choice in presenters. Every line is delivered without seriousness, in the tone of a Blue Peter presenter. Doesn't exactly align with the topics, and the jokes are very bleh political jokes. Speedy Sue, etc. Everything is arch, and every question is basically "can we believe that, isn't it mad?! Pop culture pop culture pop culture, let's make money from ads. You need at least one straight person delivering the political analysis. We don't need shit jokes left and right, and then crap analogies
See, the beauty of the internet is that there is so much choice. If you want a show about politics delivered in a humorous manner then you can watch this. If you don't like this style of show then you can watch a more serious political show elsewhere. Nobody is forcing you to watch this and, as can be seen from the comments, there are poeple who like this kind of style. So why not trot off and watch some other podcast, and stop being a whiny bitch... adjacent ;-)
If anyone ever says, "Perhaps we should do what they do in America..." I go cold. The problem with free speech - which is the right thing in theory - is that the channels of speech - internet, TV, papers, everything - are owned by a particular group of people who control what is spoken. Open free speech just results in our swamping by right-wing voices.
I think open free speech could MAYBE work if we had a strong fact-checking system that aggressively tackled provable lies and meaningfully sanctioned people who spread misinformation. The issue we have right now is that people can confidently spout complete lies on national television and not get any consequences for it.
In the current system, you're absolutely right. It would never succeed without a very high level of political education and fluency in the citizenry. And we're not even close to that level of citizen engagement in any country, but the US is especially egregious...
The fundamental problem of democratic vouchers is that no government is ever going to say, "You know what, we'll change this system which has made us successful to one that will make us much less successful and even obsolete." Same goes for people's assemblies. To get these implemented would need a revolution.
“Have you ever read any classic myths?”
“Are you talking about Spider-Man? Because if so, YES!” 😂😂😂
Never change, Nish
"With great power comes great responsibility."
- Hercules' uncle, probably
What a question to begin with 😂
Agreed 🤔👊🔥✌
Thank you 🗽❤🗽
By the ways, Never forgive, This criminal drug dealer FordNation corrupted a whole population in #Ontario and blinded them to his billionS of dollars of #LOOT ...11 Reasons, Why he deserves #JAIL
1. Gave his own mpps a 16% salary increase on a 160000$ base & fu*ked over everyone else with a 3% increase.
2. Tried killing whistleblowers & witnesses & personally orchestrated the #gangstalking
3. Snow-mobiled when terrorists of #Canada were attacking our Capital.
4. Stole land worth billions
5. Screwed over our public hospitals
6. Screwed over our public transport
7. Screwed over law & order with his Malafide Lies.
8. Old folks died under Ford
9. His own mpps took tax-payer salary for their massages
10. 18 MZO'S to billionaires at his own daughters wedding.
11. Swallowing a BEE and while he was choking still remembered t say "REAL ESTATE" what a #RAAC 🤬
F**k around and find out has more to do with doing something rather than saying something. Back in the day we used to say "don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't pay for." I think is how it went. Love your show.
This podcast has quickly become my favorite thing on TH-cam.
Nah, mines still marble-racing.
Reached the point where they're talking about immigration. - My partner is an immigrant researching sustainable agriculture and how to protect our crops from insect-borne diseases. Sunak and Braverman were born in this country and have no idea how hard and unfair it is already for people coming here to build a life for themselves and do something meaningful for this country. My partner is worried about how she's going to look after her parents, and we were planning for them to move to the UK in a few years so we can take care of them. And now we have yet another obstacle thrown in our way. As highly educated workers in our prime, if we end up having to leave it will be a loss for the UK.
Agreed
Voting against immigrants is voting against the interests of the country. Not a UK citizen, but an American. Immigrants positively affect the economy by occupying many different important roles. I truly hope you are able to reunite your family and stay in the UK.
Such a great addition to the Pod Save family.
Removing the right of international students to bring dependents?!?!?!? That's terrible!! What if they have children??? Honestly i hate how politicians in the UK announce such cruel measures with a smile and sense of achievement
Im a kiwi with a centre right brixting boyfriend. We dont often agree on politics, but he has been listening to bits of the show and doesn't immediately "what about it" or just close his ears, which is a backhanded compliment, but meant as a compliment nonetheless. Keep up the good work! 🇳🇿🇬🇧
Woo-hoo! A new episode of my new favorite pod! Greetings from California!
And from Germany!
Hi fellow Californian
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I think the best part about the Sisyphus analogy is that he doesn’t get to watch it tumble down the hill, he eventually gets tired of pushing and it rolls him over in a lot of tellings, which is exactly how it feels when Suella Braverman pops up again every week.
"refillable cokes" had me laughing so hard i had to rewind to hear the 15 or so seconds of convo that came after. I'm so grateful that Crooked teamed up for this podcast. It's giving me so much hope that we can protect our democracies. I think the Pod Save America team should follow the idea of "what does the country need saving from this week?" because it helps make things a bit more tangible in terms of how we can both become more educated on issues as well as start finding solutions.
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Loving the pod! Grew up in Northern Ireland but moved to the USA in my 20’s so have been listening to Pod Save America for a while. Always good to keep up with the Uk politics seeing as my whole family is still there!
Literally same boat as you. Im in RI. Great to have this portal to the crazy political world of the UK.
@@niamhperreault4844 haha I’m in Fl so the UK can hold my beer in terms of politics but still good to hear what’s going on!
Thank you Nish and Coco, from the bottom of my immigrant heart ❤
Well worth a listen!
Love love love your show, from across the pond. I very much appreciate your acknowledgement of all the people who work to make it happen. I can actually read their names as you say them😎
Coco's thought process is wonderful in the way it makes connections!
Nooooo not the BetterHelp sponsorship! How are they still getting away scott free with having unethical practices and still having sponsorship campaigns with podcasts and online creators!?
Instant subscribe.
23:42 When she says "big brains and big..." [pauses to look at her computer screen to make sure she says the right word next] "...IDEAS" and the boys trying to hold it in but when they clock each other's reaction they burst out laughing
Regards your sponsor.
I'm glad it exists.
I don't understand why you're not outraged that such navigation and aggregation services are not available on NHS.
Incel culture, lone shooters etc:
If you tell a whole bunch of folk to shut up and not express their outrageous views in public, if you shout down anyone who thinks hang on I find the motivations of a given political group suspicious - whether that is suspicion of "leftists" or obsession with "far right" as code for "things I can't empathise with"... Then they go have those conversations in private and self reinforce. We know bubbles are definitely a thing now but we're not making the connection that says we need to pop them, not suppress them.
I don't know precisely what the answer is but I do know legally trying to constrain thought via speech is absolutely never ever going to have the effect you want.
Thank you
Interesting podcast .Very informative.and hilarious .
Tory policy on immigration is fascist-adjacent and Labour's matching rhetoric is alienating.
I love you two! So fun, this was another great episode.
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Great episode guys, so glad you are a part of Crooked media! Also loved Cocos visit to hysteria :D
Thanks, Cody!
"I've held in a fart longer than she was Prime Minister." Brilliant!
thank you ...
I feel it is indicative of the depth of my americanisation that even though I am British I am way more familiar with "talk shit, get hit" and "fuck around, find out" than the get banged version, which I must say, sounds entirely too sexual to me to be threatening.
In Arabic, we have something like: he who knocks on the door, hears the answer.
To the Brits who don’t want foreigners to come to your country, do you know anything about history?
They always viewed it as expanding Britains’s size haha
The UK has been suffering under the Tories
Absolutely vote them out, but I don't hear much from Starmer that sounds like it's going to fix anything. Seems like it's time to vote greens.
@@jsrodman
I'd be happy with the greens picking up seats
"You're not a bad guy Nish" - Greg Davies
The important thing about the Checkers thing is that it's staffed, so there are witnesses who are not employed by Boris.
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..the first time I saw a thumbnail with Nish, I thought "is that the actor from Brooklyn 99?". ^^;
Suella Braverman has the least accurate surname of anyone since Elon Musk.
I find the UK Migration discussion fascinating - The country colonises roughly 55 of currently sovereign nations, Invades a hell of a lot more, literally pillages, enslaves and steals most of their stuff - For example India was 25% o the world economy and the UK about 3% pre-colonization, post colonization the statistics were reversed - and now it complains when those people come here to benefit from the stolen wealth.
It's like someone stealing my chair, moving it across the city, i'm tired from not having had a chair to sit on so I go to the other side of the city not even to take the chair back, just to sit on it - but instead of saying sorry and giving me the chair back he says 'You must meet this and that criteria to sit on your chair...that I stole...but as I stole it last year...it's officially mine now' - Funny world.
UK birth rate : 1.56 births per woman.
Unless that number bounce back to 2.1, a country needs immigration. That's not politics, that's mathematics
(encouraging people to have children and reducing the cost of having them is politics and should be the priority over immigration policy)
Real radical idea that, to tax those that skim the most cream off the top.
Does the "donor class" include trade unions?
As they are made of members, who vote within the union, then that is democratic, and not just a rich person or company giving money.
Paying a couple of quid a month, as part of your union sub, to the Labour Party is not the same as a couple of foreign millionaires or billionaires funneling millions (sometimes covertly) into Tory party coffers, in order to make sure that everything is privatised or deregulated, and that taxes are cut to the point of being almost non-existent.
suella braverman is being scrutinised for non declaration rwanda african justice organisation ,
I think everyone needs to play a settlement sim game and then they'd understand the overwhelming benefits of immigration. They grow and diversify economies. And beyond the practicality of it, why can't we just help people because they need help? It's not as if we've not contributed to the destabilization that resulted in them fleeing their homes in the first place. I'm from the U.S, but I think that last statement applies to the U.S. and the U.K. about equally.
Unfortunately I think the far right are very good at not explicitly stating their actual views (because they know they're abhorrent to most people) and they are very good at spreading their hatred through dog whistles and innuendos.
Suella Braverman's described violent protestors outside asylum centres as 'not racist' and said that their 'concerns were understandable'. She did say violence was unacceptable so she stopped short of actually inciting violence, technically. Her rhetoric is still reasonably likely to lead to actual violence against asylum seekers. And given her views about peaceful climate change protests, her defending the concerns of anti immigrant, violent protestors is just a really loud dog whistle. Reminded me of Donald Trump defending the Charlottesville terrorists, or the Jan 6 insurrectionists, because she's giving the impression she does actually want to see violence against asylum seekers but can't/won't say it outright.
What does the inverted umbrella mean btw? Just a fun picture? A broken thing, like the UK body politic? Something forced to do something it shouldn't be doing?
If my memory serves me well, Sisyphus was punshed for his trickery to life forever.
Is it just me or does Suella look like Dobby the House Elf?
what i love about this podcast as it has the this scandal happened and his shit of other political podcasts but it gives real solutions to the issues and leaves me feeling though politics is bad right now we can work on a path to make it better
The problem isn't immigration but exploitative employment practices which uses immigration to first exploit immigrants and from there drag down the bargaining power of UK nationals. How many of those nurses brought in (as a skills drain from poorer economies who have invested in their training) feel secure enough to join the strikes.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Is the "chat sh!t" part = to telling lies, though? Because the US's "talk sh!t, get hit" I always interpreted the talk isht part as equivalent to like trash-talk, as you'd expect in the middle of a basketball game or prior to a wrestling or boxing match. Maybe I've always been mistaken about that tho ❓🤔💭
It's so depressing to hear the UK labor party not even bother to take a moderate postiion that allows the ratchet to progress but more slowly. At least in the US our Democrats take token opposition positions, even if they don't follow through.
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I also cannot agree that immigration is driving the rising inequality in the UK. I do agree that certain immigration related poicies have increased inequality, but laying it at the feet of immigration itself i think is deeply wrong. Immigration did not cause the policies of being able to pay laborers from other countries their going rate from their home countries. Westminster chose that.
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Speaking as a Californian, referendums are just a bad idea without a lot of very difficult to implement safeguards. If you make serious political decisions decided by a vote of the whole population, you cause the decision to be easily gamed by disinformation. You end up with the referendums always being phrased in a way that is actively dishonest. And educating the entire population of the UK on each item being put up for vote is just not viable.
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Pro tip, google translate can give you a rough idea how to say foreign phrases. It's not entirely reliable, but it's better than nothing.
The labour party by this point is just sick of losing and letting the tories piledrive the country into the dirt, they've adopted a policy of speaking a lot about the issues voters say they care about at the moment in the polls (the economy, the cost of living, the NHS and housing) and being very vague and quiet about social policies that they think the media will demonise them over. Imo its better this than a re-run of Corbyn as the most unpopular man in Britain standing for election, while I really liked most things corbyn wanted to do, he clearly wasn't a man who could win an election with our country in the state its in.
Speaking as a californian!?!🤡 One of many states that are in a total mess!😂
Leaky Sue
It's always both interesting and depressing to me that conservative parties in both the US _(I'm an American)_ and the UK treat _legal_ immigration and asylum-seeking as bad, for two reasons:
(1) Capitalists require an underclass to milk for money and recent immigrants often have low expectations and plan to be taken advantage of in exchange for the right to live and raise their children in this wonderful new country.
(2) Migration, legal or otherwise, is strongly positive for economic growth. Getting more people in your country is generally pretty great, particularly when those people want to work. The immigrant work ethic is not a myth or a stereotype, it's a statistical fact.
We know why the conservatives are fighting immigration - they're bigots, and they need to be seen to be bigoted towards the "right" people, often but not always denoted by darker skin. I think a good portion of them are idiots who genuinely believe they're doing a good thing for the country by keeping out desperate, courageous people who want a better life and are willing to work for it, but some fraction must know their policies are self-defeating for helping the UK economy.
The thing that really bothers me about your Labour Party, and Kier Starmer in particular, is that he seems to have bought into the conservative bigotry. Why is he trying to score points on the fact that the Tories did an insufficient job of keeping people out? Why isn't he saying something like:
"Despite the best efforts of the Tories to continue their 13 years of economic failure and bigotry, I'm happy to see immigration is high! Labour is ecstatic to welcome these hard-working people to the UK, as we have many jobs that need filling, particularly in the health care field, as the Tories have also totally failed to address the health worker crisis. This is a wonderfully welcome, though entirely expected, abject failure of both policy and implementation by the conservatives, and I hope and expect that they will continue their incompetence!"
Dunk on them for being hate-filled bigots. Dunk on them for ruining the economy. Continue to dunk on them for Brexit. But welcome the new immigrants with open arms and propose finding jobs for them in underserved fields rather than _prohibitions against working,_ which are the stupidest, most self-defeating regulations I can imagine _(perhaps aside from Brexit; sorry Brits)._
I definitely think the hate speech laws need scrapping. Laws to manage speech like this always get turned against those they are meant to protect and we've seen it happen since labour brought those in.
We did not need those laws. We had incitement and verbal assault already.
I've just listened to this on Spotify. So funny (funny adjacent?)And was it Nish who said was this that the TH-cam comments were a font of considered and measured opinion? I actually remember that Scary spice joke. I misunderstood the "chat shit and get banged" phrase thinking that I could get laid by being a conservative party speaker. Preferably Penny Mordant.
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It such cognitive dissonance that Nish Kumar has such a fantastic broadcasting voice and so delights in saying things in the most goofy way he can manage.
Interesting stuff but can this show get a separate channel like all the other crooked shows?
I wondered that too. I figure it'll get its own channel eventually but starting out they want it to have the visibility that Pod Save The World has so this show gains viewers
@@annabenson5684 I reckon they should have a playlist on the channel, so it's easier to find the episodes 🙂
cruella braverman strikes again 😂😂
Why is Coco pronouncing Chile as Chilay, she's not American, is she?
I think it was just a mocking imitation of the way gap year students are supposed to speak.
That’s actually his you say it. It’s a Spanish word after all.
I like the show, and I get why you make it, but I do wish it was less one-sided. You guys have an agenda, and that's great, but i wish it was with more dialogue from a different perspective. UK politics is different from American politics. Most voters aren't hard left or hard, right, I thought a UK podcast would have a bit of different ends to help people not from the UK see a clearer picture.
@gskgregor i was disappointed that it was more one-sided than i thought it was going to be. We can find similarities through all global politics, and in the UK we have some similar yes, but we do have different problems and i was hoping that the conversations on this would be more about them with more dialog from different perspectives for people not from the UK to get clear picture of our issues.
@gskgregor they were open about who they support the first episode was about how to remove a monarchy.
Crooked Media is a liberal/lefist media company so their podcasts are leftist. This isn't a secret - it's the entire reason why the company was formed. If you're looking for "both sides" news, there are official news sources that offer that. A podcast from a leftist media company is going to present facts and a leftist perspective.
@gskgregor They didn't come to that conclusion because of a balanced discussion from both side's. Again, I don't blame them this is a more left political podcast, and they do use facts, so I can't fault them for that. I was just hoping for a balanced discussion with a range of different opinions, similar to some of LBC podcasts, but more targeted to a younger audience.
@@gskgregorto add on to your comment, I would like to say there are technically and categorically, always, more than two sides.
I hate the term immigrant. How about "visitor" (work and student visa) "neighbour" (relative of a visitor) and "local" (naturalised or native born)?
And asylum seekers and refugees can then be asylum seekers and refugees so we can stop conflating the two in with the regular "I just want to move" style immigration.
The “visitor” type you’ve described does exist, it’s called “expats”. Though I think there’s a lot of interesting association with it, for example I’ve only ever heard people from Western Europe countries call themselves “expats”, even though some literally retire to a cheaper country and never leaves or go back to their home country in the end. My fellow non-white “visitor” types always just addresses ourselves as “international students”, or say something like, “I’m on a student/work visa”. A lot of us even settle down permanently and take on citizenships, but don’t necessarily consider ourselves “immigrants” because of our own subconscious bias that, today, that words is reserved for people who are pursuing for better life from a significantly worse off country.
@@harriet.z When English people go to live in other countries they are "expats"; and when people from other countries come to live in England they are "immigrants". Everyone knows that /s
Gay marriage wasn’t a thorny issue in Ireland. It passed with 62% of the vote and was never likely to fail. And I refute the representation of Ireland as a any sort of religious country. It has thankfully ceased to be several decades ago. Cultural Catholicism is quite different from practising Catholicism.
Citizen’s assemblies are made up of ordinary people. I’m not sure if you’ve met many ordinary people but half of them are thick as mince. Their findings are reported on the news in Ireland but nobody cares what they say and it’s doubtful civil servants pass any heed on them. It’s a sop to the general public and the civil servants will do it their way anyway.
Not a great choice in presenters. Every line is delivered without seriousness, in the tone of a Blue Peter presenter. Doesn't exactly align with the topics, and the jokes are very bleh political jokes. Speedy Sue, etc. Everything is arch, and every question is basically "can we believe that, isn't it mad?! Pop culture pop culture pop culture, let's make money from ads.
You need at least one straight person delivering the political analysis. We don't need shit jokes left and right, and then crap analogies
See, the beauty of the internet is that there is so much choice. If you want a show about politics delivered in a humorous manner then you can watch this. If you don't like this style of show then you can watch a more serious political show elsewhere. Nobody is forcing you to watch this and, as can be seen from the comments, there are poeple who like this kind of style. So why not trot off and watch some other podcast, and stop being a whiny bitch... adjacent ;-)
If anyone ever says, "Perhaps we should do what they do in America..." I go cold.
The problem with free speech - which is the right thing in theory - is that the channels of speech - internet, TV, papers, everything - are owned by a particular group of people who control what is spoken. Open free speech just results in our swamping by right-wing voices.
I think open free speech could MAYBE work if we had a strong fact-checking system that aggressively tackled provable lies and meaningfully sanctioned people who spread misinformation. The issue we have right now is that people can confidently spout complete lies on national television and not get any consequences for it.
In the current system, you're absolutely right. It would never succeed without a very high level of political education and fluency in the citizenry. And we're not even close to that level of citizen engagement in any country, but the US is especially egregious...
The idea that we should keep Braverman because her replacement will be worse....(shivers).
The fundamental problem of democratic vouchers is that no government is ever going to say, "You know what, we'll change this system which has made us successful to one that will make us much less successful and even obsolete." Same goes for people's assemblies. To get these implemented would need a revolution.